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Great Stone Plover,©Jan Wilczur

21 Jul Red Slough today [David Arbour ]
21 Jul Lake Overholser and Eldon Lyon Park this morning [Matthew Jung ]
20 Jul Re: FW: eBird Report - Sludge Lagoon, Jul 15, 2014 [David Arbour ]
20 Jul Chickasha Hummingbird Nest Pictures [Bill Adams ]
20 Jul Eldon Lyona Park Yellow-crowned Night-Heron [Matthew Jung ]
20 Jul Hackberry Flat [Matthew Jung ]
20 Jul Bunting Hunting continues through today! [Timothy O'Connell ]
20 Jul Result of nest watch ["Bostian, Kelly" ]
19 Jul FW: eBird Report - Seminole, Jul 19, 2014 [Jimmy Woodard ]
19 Jul FW: eBird Report - Leslie Moses Park , Jul 19, 2014 [Jimmy Woodard ]
19 Jul Re: Help with Tern ID possible Caspian Tern, Lake Hefner [henthorn1 ]
18 Jul Re: Help with Tern ID possible Caspian Tern, Lake Hefner [Diane Pedicord ]
17 Jul Red Slough today [David Arbour ]
17 Jul Lake Overholser Waders [Matthew Jung ]
17 Jul Re: Mississippi Kites [gloria ketcher ]
16 Jul FW: Great-blue heron video from WA [Doug McGee ]
16 Jul Re: Bunting Hunting - a new citizen science opportunity [Cheryl Kilpatrick ]
16 Jul FW: eBird Report - Sludge Lagoon, Jul 15, 2014 [henthorn1 ]
15 Jul Red Slough Bird Survey - July 15 [David Arbour ]
15 Jul Bunting Hunting - a new citizen science opportunity [Timothy O'Connell ]
15 Jul Re: Mississippi Kites [Patricia Seibert ]
15 Jul Bunting Hunting! A new citizen science venture begins [Timothy O'Connell ]
15 Jul Re: Mississippi Kites [Sandy Berger ]
15 Jul Mississippi Kites [Evelyn Houck ]
14 Jul Re: New Red Slough Photos - Wood Storks, etc. [Dala Grissom ]
13 Jul New Red Slough Photos - Wood Storks, etc. [David Arbour ]
13 Jul Chickasha Hummingbirds Pictures 07-12-14 [Bill Adams ]
13 Jul FW: eBird Report - MWC house, Jul 13, 2014 [Jimmy Woodard ]
13 Jul Photo op!! OKC [henthorn1 ]
12 Jul Caspian Terns - Boomer Lake, Stillwater [Scott Loss ]
10 Jul Re: kids shooting birds [David McNeely ]
10 Jul Red Slough Update [David Arbour ]
10 Jul Re: kids shooting birds [Linda Adams ]
10 Jul Re: kids shooting birds [James Jorgensen ]
10 Jul Re: kids shooting birds [Kristi Hendricks ]
10 Jul Canvasbacks in OKC [Henthorn1 ]
10 Jul Re: kids shooting birds [Lee Hoy ]
10 Jul Re: kids shooting birds [David McNeely ]
10 Jul Re: kids shooting birds [Steve Schafer ]
10 Jul Re: kids shooting birds [Sandy Berger ]
10 Jul Re: kids shooting birds [Sandy Berger ]
10 Jul Re: kids shooting birds [David McNeely ]
10 Jul Re: kids shooting birds [Doug McGee ]
9 Jul Re: kids shooting birds [Janet Curth ]
9 Jul Re: kids shooting birds [John Sterling ]
9 Jul Re: kids shooting birds [Lisa Wiesbauer ]
9 Jul Re: kids shooting birds ["Curtis, Tom" ]
9 Jul Re: kids shooting birds [JOS GRZYBOWSKI ]
9 Jul kids shooting birds [Polly O'Malley ]
8 Jul Red Slough Bird Survey - July 8 [David Arbour ]
8 Jul Re: Help with Tern ID possible Caspian Tern, Lake Hefner [Deanne McKinney ]
8 Jul Re: Help with Tern ID possible Caspian Tern, Lake Hefner [David McNeely ]
8 Jul Re: Help with Tern ID possible Caspian Tern, Lake Hefner [henthorn1 ]
8 Jul Re: Help with Tern ID possible Caspian Tern, Lake Hefner [Calvin Rees ]
8 Jul Re: Help with Tern ID possible Caspian Tern, Lake Hefner [JOS GRZYBOWSKI ]
8 Jul Help with Tern ID possible Caspian Tern, Lake Hefner [Calvin Rees ]
8 Jul Help with Tern ID (1) [Calvin Rees ]
8 Jul Re: Chimney Swifts [Rebecca John ]
8 Jul Re: Chimney Swifts [Timothy O'Connell ]
8 Jul Re: Chimney Swifts [Sue Selman ]
8 Jul Re: Chimney Swifts [John Sterling ]
8 Jul Re: Downed nest and cops called [John Sterling ]
8 Jul Chimney Swifts [Sue Selman ]
8 Jul Winter OOS-affiliated trip to the Rio Grande Valley [Doug Wood ]
7 Jul Re: Downed nest and cops called [Terri Underhill ]
8 Jul Re: Downed nest and cops called ["Bostian, Kelly" ]
7 Jul Re: Downed nest and cops called [Sandy Berger ]
7 Jul Re: Downed nest and cops called [Deanne McKinney ]
7 Jul Re: Downed nest and cops called [John Fisher ]
7 Jul Re: Downed nest and cops called [Jim Arterburn ]
7 Jul Re: Downed nest and cops called [Terry Mitchell ]
7 Jul Re: Downed nest and cops called [Chad Ellis ]
7 Jul Re: Downed nest and cops called [Terry Mitchell ]
7 Jul Re: Downed nest and cops called [John Bates ]
7 Jul Re: Downed nest and cops called ["Bostian, Kelly" ]
7 Jul Re: Downed nest and cops called [Mark Cromwell ]

Subject: Red Slough today
From: David Arbour <arbour AT WINDSTREAM.NET>
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 21:59:05 -0500
A few interesting birds noticed today while working at Red Slough:

Black-bellied Whistling-Duck - 1
Neotropic Cormorant - 5
Anhinga - 1
White Ibis - lots
Wood Stork - 47
Least Tern - 2
Cave Swallow - 1

David Arbour
De Queen, AR

Visit the Red Slough Photo Gallery:  www.pbase.com/red_slough_wma
Subject: Lake Overholser and Eldon Lyon Park this morning
From: Matthew Jung <mpjung5125 AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 14:27:16 -0500
There were an unusually large flock of egrets at the lake, I stopped
counting at 130; the ratio was for every three Snowy Egrets there were
two Great Egrets.  Amazing!

The best bird was a lone adult American Bald Eagle sitting on a small
log in the center of the north dam and this time I got photos.
Further south, also sitting on a small log I photographed two
cormoroants next to one-another, one Neotropic and one Double-crested.
A single Forster's Tern was getting a lot of attention from Mallards,
they were chasing it around until it flew off.

The Yellow-crowned Night-Heron was at Eldon Lyon Park again and
eagerly feeding on night crawlers.

Photos will be uploaded to:  www.flickr.com/photos/mpjinokc/

Matt Jung, OKC
Subject: Re: FW: eBird Report - Sludge Lagoon, Jul 15, 2014
From: David Arbour <arbour AT WINDSTREAM.NET>
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 23:21:09 -0500
Sharon:

These are not Canvasbacks.  I believe they are Gadwalls.

David Arbour
De Queen, AR


      Subject: FW: eBird Report - Sludge Lagoon, Jul 15, 2014
      Date: Wed Jul 16 2014 0:02 am
      From: henthorn1 AT cox.net 
        
I finally located the canvasbacks tonight that I had first seen near sunset on 
July 10th. The sludge lagoon is best seen from the back parking lot of John 
Marshall HS on Portland between NW 122nd and Hefner Rd. If the soccer fields 
south of the lagoon are open, that may also be a vantage-point for this hidden 
birding hotspot. Enjoy! Sharon 

      -----Original Message-----
      From: do-not-reply AT ebird.org [mailto:do-not-reply AT ebird.org] 
      Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 11:56 PM
      To: henthorn1 AT cox.net
      Subject: eBird Report - Sludge Lagoon, Jul 15, 2014
      
      Sludge Lagoon, Oklahoma, US-OK
      Jul 15, 2014 6:33 PM - 6:48 PM
      Protocol: Stationary
      Comments:     temp 82, overcast; many mallards and canada geese nearby
      1 species
      
 Canvasback 5 family of diving ducks, female adult and four juveniles; first 
noticed on July 10th 

 
[URL=http://s42.photobucket.com/user/henthorn1/media/IMG_0769_zpse1f6f01d.jpg.html][IMG]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e347/henthorn1/IMG_0769_zpse1f6f01d.jpg[/IMG][/URL] 

 
[URL=http://s42.photobucket.com/user/henthorn1/media/IMG_0767_zpsf086f41a.jpg.html][IMG]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e347/henthorn1/IMG_0767_zpsf086f41a.jpg[/IMG][/URL] 

      
 View this checklist online at 
http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist?subID=S19114582 

      
      This report was generated automatically by eBird v3 (http://ebird.org)
     
Subject: Chickasha Hummingbird Nest Pictures
From: Bill Adams <ba1980 AT SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:54:57 -0700
My mom and I went back to Dick Ledbetter's house in Chickasha yesterday to see 
how much the Hummingbird babies (in nest #5) had grown. He thinks they will 
leave the nest late this week. 


One of the female hummers did not like the Red-bellied Woodpeckers that close 
(we're assuming another nest on the other side of the creek) and kept chasing 
them. 


We also saw/heard:
Warbling Vireo
Hairy Woodpecker
Red-bellied Woodpecker
Yellow-billed Cuckoo
Mourning Dove
Carolina Chickadee
Louisiana Waterthrush
Painted Bunting
Indigo Bunting
Ruby-throated Hummingbird
Black-chinned Hummingbird
Baltimore Oriole
American Goldfinch
Eastern Phoebe

Pictures can be seen here:
http://www.southernokphotography.com/p137981164


https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10154371837975065.1073741886.349185650064&type=3 



Video of chicks in the nest:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10154371869250065&set=vb.349185650064&type=3&video_source=pages_video_set 




Bill Adams
Duncan, OK
Subject: Eldon Lyona Park Yellow-crowned Night-Heron
From: Matthew Jung <mpjung5125 AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 14:25:08 -0500
Went walking early morning, before sun-rise, and found a single
Yellow-crowned Night-Heron among the several crows at the east
pavillion.  It was hunting and eating the nightcrowler coming to the
surface.  It remained at least one hour because it was still after the
worms when I quit my three miles; tooke photos bfore and after the
walk.  It did not tolerate the crows well, chased them off in a hurry.

This is my first record of the YCNH at this park and I been walking
there since 1976.

Matt Jung, OKC
Subject: Hackberry Flat
From: Matthew Jung <mpjung5125 AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 14:17:05 -0500
After the recent rains I was hoping to find "some" water there but the
remains a place of thurst!  One can find a few places where water
pooled miserly but it will be gone very soon!

The Mourning Doves were thick and I saw many Common Nighthawks and a
few Scissortails.  There was a Great Horned Owl perched in the
favorite location (the central tree grove).

Heard at least 6 calling bobwhites and saw a seventh.

Matt Jung, OKC
Subject: Bunting Hunting continues through today!
From: Timothy O'Connell <tim.oconnell AT OKSTATE.EDU>
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:18:40 -0500
Dear OKbirders, 

You've still got today to take part in the first annual "Bunting Hunting" 
weekend - just go find some Painted Buntings and report them to eBird. It's 
*that* simple. 


I'm up to 15 males so far, with 11 at Lake Carl Blackwell alone. . . 
~Tim
Subject: Result of nest watch
From: "Bostian, Kelly" <Kelly.Bostian AT TULSAWORLD.COM>
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 14:48:01 +0000
Since I brought folks in on the cops getting called I thought I'd share the end 
result of the effort. 

My first post I was off on days since the hatch, June 23-July 7.
(23rd doesn't count, June has 30 days)


http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/outdoors/bostiancolumn/kelly-bostian-nest-watching-a-rewarding-activity-that-requires-care/article_9b07a36e-09fa-55b6-bcc8-5e2a7de1f784.html 



Kelly Bostian
Outdoors Writer
Tulsa World Media Company
www.tulsaworld.com
office | 918 581 8357
mobile | 918 231 1385
fax | 918 581 8353
315 S. Boulder Ave., Tulsa, OK 74103
twitter |  AT kellybostian
blog |tulsaworld.com/KellyBostian
email | kelly.bostian AT tulsaworld.com
Subject: FW: eBird Report - Seminole, Jul 19, 2014
From: Jimmy Woodard <j.woodard AT COX.NET>
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 19:43:24 -0500
 Nothing unusual or unexpected in Seminole County. The Maud wetlands along 
highway 9A are worth checking if 

	you are in the area.


	Jimmy Woodard
	Midwest City, OK


Seminole, Seminole, US-OK
Jul 19, 2014 10:00 AM - 1:00 PM
Protocol: Traveling
40.0 mile(s)
Comments: i reentered the county west of Spaulding. i drove county roads west 
and crisscrossed the Little River several times. i went thru Vamoosa and birded 
the east side of Lake Konawa. i drove north on Hwy 9A and stopped at the Maud 
Wetlands then exited the county at Maud. 

59 species

Canada Goose  20
Cattle Egret  2     at the Maud wetlands.
Green Heron  1
Turkey Vulture  16
Mississippi Kite  2
Red-tailed Hawk  2
Killdeer 4 all young birds at Lake Konawa but no parents seen in attendance. 

Rock Pigeon (Feral Pigeon)  3
Eurasian Collared-Dove  3
Mourning Dove  15
Yellow-billed Cuckoo  2
Greater Roadrunner  1
Barred Owl  1
Chimney Swift  2
Belted Kingfisher  1     at the Maud wetlands.
Red-headed Woodpecker  1
Red-bellied Woodpecker  3
Downy Woodpecker  2
Hairy Woodpecker  1
Pileated Woodpecker  1
American Kestrel  1
Eastern Wood-Pewee  2
Acadian Flycatcher 3 heard in the Little River bottomlands north of Sasakwa. 

Eastern Phoebe  2
Eastern Kingbird  4
Scissor-tailed Flycatcher  10
White-eyed Vireo  2
Bell's Vireo  1
Red-eyed Vireo  3
Blue Jay  2
American Crow  16
Fish Crow  1
Northern Rough-winged Swallow  4
Purple Martin  2
Barn Swallow  10
Cliff Swallow  12
Carolina Chickadee  3
Tufted Titmouse  3
House Wren  1
Carolina Wren  4
Bewick's Wren  1
Blue-gray Gnatcatcher  4
Eastern Bluebird  8
American Robin  2
Northern Mockingbird  4
European Starling  7
Northern Parula  1
Field Sparrow  2
Lark Sparrow  5
Summer Tanager  4
Northern Cardinal  10
Blue Grosbeak  5
Indigo Bunting  15
Painted Bunting  7
Dickcissel  18
Red-winged Blackbird  6
Eastern Meadowlark  10
Brown-headed Cowbird  3
House Sparrow  12

View this checklist online at 
http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist?subID=S19153355 


This report was generated automatically by eBird v3 (http://ebird.org)
Subject: FW: eBird Report - Leslie Moses Park , Jul 19, 2014
From: Jimmy Woodard <j.woodard AT COX.NET>
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 19:41:20 -0500
 I did some birding in Hughes, Seminole and Pottawatomie Counties this morning. 



	Jimmy Woodard
	Midwest City, OK

Leslie Moses Park , Hughes, US-OK
Jul 19, 2014 6:45 AM - 8:45 AM
Protocol: Traveling
20.0 mile(s)
Comments: i drove into Hughes County on highway 9 & 27 before arriving at 
Wetumka Lake. 

47 species

Canada Goose  8
Northern Bobwhite  2
Great Egret  2
Green Heron  1
Black Vulture  4
Turkey Vulture  10
Red-shouldered Hawk  1
Red-tailed Hawk  1
Killdeer  2
Yellow-billed Cuckoo  1
Belted Kingfisher  1
Red-bellied Woodpecker  2
Downy Woodpecker  1
Hairy Woodpecker  1
Pileated Woodpecker  1
Eastern Wood-Pewee  1
Eastern Phoebe  1
Great Crested Flycatcher  1
Eastern Kingbird  3
Scissor-tailed Flycatcher  6
White-eyed Vireo  3
Blue Jay  4
American Crow  12
Fish Crow  2
Purple Martin  3
Barn Swallow  8
Cliff Swallow  20
Carolina Chickadee  4
Tufted Titmouse  2
White-breasted Nuthatch  1
Carolina Wren  3
Bewick's Wren  1
Blue-gray Gnatcatcher  5
Eastern Bluebird  6
Northern Mockingbird  5
European Starling  10
Louisiana Waterthrush  2
Common Yellowthroat  2
Field Sparrow  3
Northern Cardinal  10
Blue Grosbeak  4
Indigo Bunting  10
Painted Bunting  5
Dickcissel  20
Eastern Meadowlark  5
Brown-headed Cowbird  9
House Sparrow  15

View this checklist online at 
http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist?subID=S19152929 


This report was generated automatically by eBird v3 (http://ebird.org)
Subject: Re: Help with Tern ID possible Caspian Tern, Lake Hefner
From: henthorn1 <henthorn1 AT COX.NET>
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 12:03:27 -0500
Diane and Calvin, I saw three of the Caspian terns at the far end of Prairie 
Dog Point’s submerged end about five days ago. I have seen Forster’s terns 
at both the sludge lagoon and Hefner. I haven’t really been watching for the 
least terns. I wish the canvasbacks (or whatever those diving ducks were) would 
make another appearance at the sludge lagoon. I’ve been hearing dickcissels 
several places still, especially near Rose Lake. I’m glad the kingfishers are 
coming around again. Sharon 


 

From: okbirds [mailto:OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU] On Behalf Of Diane Pedicord
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 11:35 PM
To: OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU
Subject: Re: Help with Tern ID possible Caspian Tern, Lake Hefner

 

Today (July 18) at the OKC sludge lagoon at 2:00 p.m. my friend and I saw at 
least 5 terns that appeared to be Caspian Terns. Standing just in front of them 
were several very small terns that best fit the description of Least Terns both 
because of their diminutive size but also the white forehead and yellow beak. 
Later at 6:00 at Lake Hefner, we again saw the Caspian Terns. We also saw a 
little blue heron adult and an immature along with a snowy egret. 


 

Earlier at the playa lake on Yukon Parkway, we saw a yellow crowned night 
heron, a little blue heron and an immature little blue heron. We looked without 
success for the female wood duck and 3 babies we had observed over the 4th of 
July weekend . At the now submerged mudflats at Lake Overholser, we saw a 
dicksissel and a belted kingfisher along with a large number of great white 
egrets and great blue herons. We also saw an immature little blue heron. 


 

On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Calvin Rees  wrote:

I do not know my Terns that well but I saw these Terns today at Lake Hefner 

 

https://flic.kr/p/ofT9pt

 

https://flic.kr/p/nYpT26

 

https://flic.kr/p/nYoCRC

 

Thanks for your help

 

Calvin

 
Subject: Re: Help with Tern ID possible Caspian Tern, Lake Hefner
From: Diane Pedicord <pedicord AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 23:34:33 -0500
Today (July 18) at the OKC sludge lagoon at 2:00 p.m. my friend and I saw
at least 5 terns that appeared to be Caspian Terns.  Standing just in front
of them were several very small terns that best fit the description of
Least Terns both because of their diminutive size but also the white
forehead and yellow beak.  Later at 6:00 at Lake Hefner, we again saw the
Caspian Terns. We also saw a little blue heron adult and an immature along
with a snowy egret.

Earlier at the playa lake on Yukon Parkway, we saw a yellow crowned night
heron, a little blue heron and an immature little blue heron.  We looked
without success for the female wood duck and 3 babies we had observed over
the 4th of July weekend . At the now submerged mudflats at Lake Overholser,
we saw a dicksissel and a belted kingfisher along with a large number of
great white egrets and great blue herons.  We also saw an immature little
blue heron.


On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Calvin Rees  wrote:

> I do not know my Terns that well but I saw these Terns today at Lake
> Hefner
>
>
>
> https://flic.kr/p/ofT9pt
>
>
>
> https://flic.kr/p/nYpT26
>
>
>
> https://flic.kr/p/nYoCRC
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help
>
>
>
> Calvin
>
Subject: Red Slough today
From: David Arbour <arbour AT WINDSTREAM.NET>
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 21:52:29 -0500
I visited Red Slough for a couple hours today in the rain to check on things. 
Here are a few good birds seen on my brief visit: 


Black-bellied Whistling-Duck - 3
Neotropic Cormorant - 6
Anhinga - 1
Least Bittern - 1
White Ibis - lots
Wood Stork - 2

David Arbour
De Queen, AR

Visit the Red Slough Photo Gallery:  www.pbase.com/red_slough_wma
Subject: Lake Overholser Waders
From: Matthew Jung <mpjung5125 AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 10:20:03 -0700
Yesterday afternoon I walked from the police station to the dam along
the berm road and found all the 'usual' Oklahoma waders:
Great Blue Heron
Little Blue Heron
Great Egret
Snowy Egret
Cattle Egret
Black-crowned Night-Heron
Yellow-crowned Night-Heron

Many Eastern and Western Kingbirds were feeding fledglings, also
Mockingbirds and Scissor-tails.  Saw one Belted Kingfisher and the AW
Pelican was still below the dam.

Matt Jung, OKC
Subject: Re: Mississippi Kites
From: gloria ketcher <oprakitas AT BRIGHTOK.NET>
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 08:47:38 -0500
I saw my only one here, ever, in a tree by our creek SE of Jay, OK several 
years back. I had no idea what it was until I looked it up. Beautiful. 


 

Gloria Ketcher

         918-253-8949 

Isaiah 40:31 “But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; 
they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and 
they shall walk, and not feel faint.” 


 

 

From: okbirds [mailto:OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU] On Behalf Of Evelyn Houck
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 3:22 PM
To: OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU
Subject: Mississippi Kites

 

Today at noon, a pair of Mississippi Kites flew over our home on the Carey Bay 
arm of Grand Lake. They disappeared into the distance escorted by several 
smaller birds! 


 

According to the date guide, they are rare in this part of NE Oklahoma. We were 
excited, especially after frequent sightings while we lived in the 
Guthrie/Edmond area of the state. 


 

Maybe the storms to the southwest last evening sent them our way!

 

Evelyn Houck

Grove, OK

Delaware County
Subject: FW: Great-blue heron video from WA
From: Doug McGee <wildlifer59 AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 21:13:22 -0400
Pretty awesome shot,

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10204262495191468
Subject: Re: Bunting Hunting - a new citizen science opportunity
From: Cheryl Kilpatrick <dr.k_psych AT SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 07:47:29 -0700
Dr. O'Connell:

I apologize for using a response to your bunting e-mail to communicate with 
you. However, I am doing so nevertheless. 

I am in the process of scheduling speakers for Tulsa Audubon Society's programs 
for 2015. Last year I noticed on the Payne County Audubon website that you had 
presented a program for that group on bird vocalizations. Would you be able and 
willing to do that presentation for Tulsa Audubon Society this coming year? We 
will buy you dinner and provide an honorarium to help with travel expense to 
Tulsa. I am working to schedule speakers for any of the following months: 
January, March, April, May. We meet on the 3rd Tuesday of the month at 7 p.m. 
We meet for dinner between 5:30 and 6:00 and then head over to the meeting 
place. 

Thanks for considering our request.
Cheryl Kilpatrick
Program Chair, TAS



On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 5:52 PM, Timothy O'Connell  
wrote: 

 


Dear Friends and Supporters of the Payne County Audubon Society,

Our blast of cool air this week is a welcome respite from the typical midsummer 
heat, and it's downright pleasant to be outside.  But what to do? 


I’d like to invite you to participate this weekend in the
first annual “Bunting Hunting” event to provide a snapshot of Painted 
Bunting 

distribution and abundance.  
North America’s most colorful songbird occupies transitional
landscapes in the Great Plains influenced by agricultural development and
abandonment, fire suppression, and urbanization.  During winter in the 
Neotropics, it is aggressively sought 

for the pet bird trade.  Like
Scissor-tailed Flycatcher and a few other species, Painted Bunting occupies a
limited distribution and is a species for which we in the Plains have special
stewardship responsibility.  It is
up to us to keep a watchful eye on these species, or at the very least, take
some time out when they are with us to celebrate them.
Here we are in mid-summer, sandwiched between the tail-end
of the breeding season and the migrants that will soon give us something to
chase again.  What better time of
year to go find some Painted Buntings and report their whereabouts to
eBird?  As other birds
(Dickcissels, I’m looking at you) quiet down for the season, Painted Buntings
keep right on singing, so mid-July is an excellent time to go and find some.
How to take part?  It’s simple – just make an effort to go and find as 
many Painted 

Buntings as you can this weekend (Friday 7/18–Sunday 7/20) and report your
results to eBird (ebird.org).  For
now, that’s it.  There are no
special methods to employ; I just want to see a flood of Painted Bunting
reports coming in this weekend.  If
it’s a success in this inaugural year then the methods can be refined in the
future.
Obviously, the more information you can provide, the
better.  For example, male Painted
Buntings can be aged by plumage from a distance: olive-green birds that are
singing are immatures (“second-year” males in bird-banding parlance), so a
quick look at singing males can provide some neat information on age
structure.  There are places to
enter age and sex information for each species in eBird.  You are also 
encouraged to report 

entire checklists of all the birds you find; you needn’t limit yourself to 
just 

looking at Painted Buntings.
Here's a link to Painted Bunting song, in case you're not familiar with their 
squeaky warble: http://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/painted_bunting/id 

Be careful, have fun, and thanks for your efforts to help
provide information on distribution and abundance of North America’s most
colorful songbird! If this thing catches on, it'll also be great to have been 
in on the ground floor, right here in Payne County. 

~Tim O'Connell
PCAS Vice President
Subject: FW: eBird Report - Sludge Lagoon, Jul 15, 2014
From: henthorn1 <henthorn1 AT COX.NET>
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 00:03:32 -0500
I finally located the canvasbacks tonight that I had first seen near sunset on 
July 10th. The sludge lagoon is best seen from the back parking lot of John 
Marshall HS on Portland between NW 122nd and Hefner Rd. If the soccer fields 
south of the lagoon are open, that may also be a vantage-point for this hidden 
birding hotspot. Enjoy! Sharon 


-----Original Message-----
From: do-not-reply AT ebird.org [mailto:do-not-reply AT ebird.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 11:56 PM
To: henthorn1 AT cox.net
Subject: eBird Report - Sludge Lagoon, Jul 15, 2014

Sludge Lagoon, Oklahoma, US-OK
Jul 15, 2014 6:33 PM - 6:48 PM
Protocol: Stationary
Comments:     temp 82, overcast; many mallards and canada geese nearby
1 species

Canvasback 5 family of diving ducks, female adult and four juveniles; first 
noticed on July 10th 


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View this checklist online at 
http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist?subID=S19114582 


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Subject: Red Slough Bird Survey - July 15
From: David Arbour <arbour AT WINDSTREAM.NET>
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 23:01:08 -0500
It was partly cloudy and warm on the bird survey today. 71 species were found. 
Shorebirds are starting to come back through. Looking through the large flocks 
of juvenile swallows that were perching in trees and bushes around the wetlands 
produced 3 juvenile Cave Swallows. Also finding a pair of Green-winged Teal 
seemed really odd. Here is my list for today: 


Canada Goose - 1
Wood Duck - 34
Gadwall - 1
Mallard - 4
Blue-winged Teal - 1
Green-winged Teal - 2 (pair)
Pied-billed Grebe - 10
Neotropic Cormorant - 6
Anhinga - 12
Least Bittern - 3
Great Blue Heron - 22
Great Egret - 39
Snowy Egret - 55
Little Blue Heron - 52
Tricolored Heron - 1 adult
Cattle Egret - 10
Green Heron - 10
Yellow-crowned Night-Heron - 9
White Ibis - 48
Wood Stork - 5
Turkey Vulture - 14
Mississippi Kite - 1
Red-shouldered Hawk - 1
Purple Gallinule - 4 adults (also 4 downy chicks)
Common Gallinule - 19 (also 3 downy chicks)
American Coot - 1
Killdeer - 10
Solitary Sandpiper - 4
Lesser Yellowlegs - 1
Least Sandpiper - 4
Pectoral Sandpiper - 2
Least Tern - 2
Mourning Dove - 18
Yellow-billed Cuckoo - 7
Ruby-throated Hummingbird - 10
Red-bellied Woodpecker - 3
Downy Woodpecker - 1
Pileated Woodpecker - 1
Willow Flycatcher - 1
Eastern Kingbird - 7
Scissor-tailed Flycatcher - 1
White-eyed Vireo - 9
Bell's Vireo - 3
Red-eyed Vireo - 1
American Crow - 7
Fish Crow - 4
Purple Martin - 6
Tree Swallow - 115
Northern Rough-winged Swallow - 3
Cliff Swallow - 3
Cave Swallow - 3
Barn Swallow - 45
Carolina Chickadee - 3
Tufted Titmouse - 2
Carolina Wren - 8
Blue-gray Gnatcatcher - 3
Eastern Bluebird - 4
Northern Mockingbird - 3
Prothonotary Warbler - 1
Common Yellowthroat - 7
Yellow-breasted Chat - 6
Summer Tanager - 1
Northern Cardinal - 20
Blue Grosbeak - 2
Indigo Bunting - 17
Painted Bunting - 7
Dickcissel - 42
Red-winged Blackbird - 63
Common Grackle - 14
Brown-headed Cowbird - 1
Orchard Oriole - 4


Odonates:

Fragile Forktail
Citrine Forktail
Lilypad Forktail
Common Green Darner
Cyrano Darner
Swamp Darner
Prince Baskettail
Mocha Emerald
Jade Clubtail
Halloween Pennant
Four-spotted Pennant
Eastern Pondhawk
Widow Skimmer
Common Whitetail
Slaty Skimmer
Eastern Amberwing
Blue Dasher
Wandering Glider
Spot-winged Glider
Black Saddlebags
"red" Saddlebags species


Herps:

American Alligator
Red-eared Slider
Blanchard's Cricket Frog
Green Treefrog
Bronze Frog
Bullfrog


Good birding!



David Arbour
De Queen, AR

Visit the Red Slough Photo Gallery:  www.pbase.com/red_slough_wma
Subject: Bunting Hunting - a new citizen science opportunity
From: Timothy O'Connell <tim.oconnell AT OKSTATE.EDU>
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 17:52:19 -0500
Dear Friends and Supporters of the Payne County Audubon Society,

Our blast of cool air this week is a welcome respite from the typical midsummer 
heat, and it's downright pleasant to be outside. But what to do? 


Id like to invite you to participate this weekend in the first annual Bunting 
Hunting event to provide a snapshot of Painted Bunting distribution and 
abundance. 


North Americas most colorful songbird occupies transitional landscapes in the 
Great Plains influenced by agricultural development and abandonment, fire 
suppression, and urbanization. During winter in the Neotropics, it is 
aggressively sought for the pet bird trade. Like Scissor-tailed Flycatcher and 
a few other species, Painted Bunting occupies a limited distribution and is a 
species for which we in the Plains have special stewardship responsibility. It 
is up to us to keep a watchful eye on these species, or at the very least, take 
some time out when they are with us to celebrate them. 


Here we are in mid-summer, sandwiched between the tail-end of the breeding 
season and the migrants that will soon give us something to chase again. What 
better time of year to go find some Painted Buntings and report their 
whereabouts to eBird? As other birds (Dickcissels, Im looking at you) quiet 
down for the season, Painted Buntings keep right on singing, so mid-July is an 
excellent time to go and find some. 


How to take part? Its simple  just make an effort to go and find as many 
Painted Buntings as you can this weekend (Friday 7/18Sunday 7/20) and report 
your results to eBird (ebird.org). For now, thats it. There are no special 
methods to employ; I just want to see a flood of Painted Bunting reports coming 
in this weekend. If its a success in this inaugural year then the methods can 
be refined in the future. 


Obviously, the more information you can provide, the better. For example, male 
Painted Buntings can be aged by plumage from a distance: olive-green birds that 
are singing are immatures (second-year males in bird-banding parlance), so a 
quick look at singing males can provide some neat information on age structure. 
There are places to enter age and sex information for each species in eBird. 
You are also encouraged to report entire checklists of all the birds you find; 
you neednt limit yourself to just looking at Painted Buntings. 


Here's a link to Painted Bunting song, in case you're not familiar with their 
squeaky warble: http://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/painted_bunting/id 

Be careful, have fun, and thanks for your efforts to help provide information 
on distribution and abundance of North Americas most colorful songbird! If 
this thing catches on, it'll also be great to have been in on the ground floor, 
right here in Payne County. 


~Tim O'Connell
PCAS Vice President
Subject: Re: Mississippi Kites
From: Patricia Seibert <plseibert AT SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 16:57:16 -0500
I, too have seen Mississippi Kites in Delaware Co., on the southeast side of 
Grand Lake over our house......for the first time ever, twice this summer. 


Patricia Seibert


> On Jul 15, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Sandy Berger  wrote:
> 
> MIKIs have been expanding their territory. They showed up in Fort Smith, 
Arkansas just a few years ago. And now they were in NW AR. I expect they've 
moved into your area too. 

> 
> Sandy B.
> FS, AR
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2014, at 3:21 PM, Evelyn Houck  wrote:
>> 
>> Today at noon, a pair of Mississippi Kites flew over our home on the Carey 
Bay arm of Grand Lake. They disappeared into the distance escorted by several 
smaller birds! 

>> 
>> According to the date guide, they are rare in this part of NE Oklahoma. We 
were excited, especially after frequent sightings while we lived in the 
Guthrie/Edmond area of the state. 

>> 
>> Maybe the storms to the southwest last evening sent them our way!
>> 
>> Evelyn Houck
>> Grove, OK
>> Delaware County
Subject: Bunting Hunting! A new citizen science venture begins
From: Timothy O'Connell <tim.oconnell AT OKSTATE.EDU>
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 17:03:31 -0500
Dear OKbirders (and our friends in Texas, Kansas, and other states lucky enough 
to take part), 


Id like to invite you to participate this weekend in the first annual Bunting 
Hunting event to provide a snapshot of Painted Bunting distribution and 
abundance. 


North Americas most colorful songbird occupies transitional landscapes in the 
Great Plains influenced by agricultural development and abandonment, fire 
suppression, and urbanization. During winter in the Neotropics, it is 
aggressively sought for the pet bird trade. Like Scissor-tailed Flycatcher and 
a few other species, Painted Bunting occupies a limited distribution and is a 
species for which we in the Plains have special stewardship responsibility. It 
is up to us to keep a watchful eye on these species, or at the very least, take 
some time out when they are with us to celebrate them. 


Here we are in mid-summer, sandwiched between the tail-end of the breeding 
season and the migrants that will soon give us something to chase again. What 
better time of year to go find some Painted Buntings and report their 
whereabouts to eBird? As other birds (Dickcissels, Im looking at you) quiet 
down for the season, Painted Buntings keep right on singing, so mid-July is an 
excellent time to go and find some. 


How to take part? Its simple  just make an effort to go and find as many 
Painted Buntings as you can this weekend (Friday 7/18Sunday 7/20) and report 
your results to eBird (ebird.org). For now, thats it. There are no special 
methods to employ; I just want to see a flood of Painted Bunting reports coming 
in this weekend. If its a success in this inaugural year then the methods can 
be refined in the future. 


Obviously, the more information you can provide, the better. For example, male 
Painted Buntings can be aged by plumage from a distance: olive-green birds that 
are singing are immatures (second-year males in bird-banding parlance), so a 
quick look at singing males can provide some neat information on age structure. 
There are places to enter age and sex information for each species in eBird. 
You are also encouraged to report entire checklists of all the birds you find; 
you neednt limit yourself to just looking at Painted Buntings. 


 Be careful, have fun, and thanks for your efforts to help provide information 
on distribution and abundance of North Americas most colorful songbird! 


~Tim O'Connell

PS: For those unfamiliar with its squeaky, warbly song: 
http://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/painted_bunting/id 
Subject: Re: Mississippi Kites
From: Sandy Berger <sndbrgr AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 16:23:44 -0500
MIKIs have been expanding their territory. They showed up in Fort Smith, 
Arkansas just a few years ago. And now they were in NW AR. I expect they've 
moved into your area too. 


Sandy B.
FS, AR

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 15, 2014, at 3:21 PM, Evelyn Houck  wrote:
> 
> Today at noon, a pair of Mississippi Kites flew over our home on the Carey 
Bay arm of Grand Lake. They disappeared into the distance escorted by several 
smaller birds! 

> 
> According to the date guide, they are rare in this part of NE Oklahoma. We 
were excited, especially after frequent sightings while we lived in the 
Guthrie/Edmond area of the state. 

> 
> Maybe the storms to the southwest last evening sent them our way!
> 
> Evelyn Houck
> Grove, OK
> Delaware County
Subject: Mississippi Kites
From: Evelyn Houck <efhouck727 AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 15:21:37 -0500
Today at noon, a pair of Mississippi Kites flew over our home on the Carey
Bay arm of Grand Lake.  They disappeared into the distance escorted by
several smaller birds!

According to the date guide, they are rare in this part of NE Oklahoma.  We
were excited, especially after frequent sightings while we lived in the
Guthrie/Edmond area of the state.

Maybe the storms to the southwest last evening sent them our way!

Evelyn Houck
Grove, OK
Delaware County
Subject: Re: New Red Slough Photos - Wood Storks, etc.
From: Dala Grissom <naejalad AT HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 08:18:43 -0500
David, loved the pics. Makes me want to come to the Slough even in this heat. 
Thanks for pics. 


Dala 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 13, 2014, at 11:10 PM, David Arbour  wrote:
> 
> I've added more photos to the Red Slough "Recent Photos" gallery. Included 
are shots of Wood Storks and Neotropic Cormoarants, etc. You can access the 
site here: http://www.pbase.com/red_slough_wma/recent_photos 

>  
> David Arbour
> De Queen, AR
>  
> Visit the Red Slough Photo Gallery:  www.pbase.com/red_slough_wma
Subject: New Red Slough Photos - Wood Storks, etc.
From: David Arbour <arbour AT WINDSTREAM.NET>
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 23:10:58 -0500
I've added more photos to the Red Slough "Recent Photos" gallery. Included are 
shots of Wood Storks and Neotropic Cormoarants, etc. You can access the site 
here: http://www.pbase.com/red_slough_wma/recent_photos 


David Arbour
De Queen, AR

Visit the Red Slough Photo Gallery:  www.pbase.com/red_slough_wma
Subject: Chickasha Hummingbirds Pictures 07-12-14
From: Bill Adams <ba1980 AT SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 18:46:28 -0700
My mom and I visited Dick Ledbetter and his hummingbird nests yesterday 
afternoon. Had a great time seeing all the nests, new and old.  


Pictures can be seen here:
http://www.southernokphotography.com/p849511649


https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10154348784800065.1073741885.349185650064&type=1 



We also saw/heard:
Warbling Vireo (at least 1 adult and 1 young)
Yellow-billed Cuckoo


Bill Adams
Duncan, OK
Subject: FW: eBird Report - MWC house, Jul 13, 2014
From: Jimmy Woodard <j.woodard AT COX.NET>
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 20:05:14 -0500
 I've noticed a big uptick in the number of species of birds visiting our yard 
in the last few days. In the 

 last few weeks we've averaged about 14-17 species each day. Today, we had 29 
species. Nothing rare or unusual but 

	A definite spike nonetheless.


	Jimmy Woodard
	Midwest City, OK

MWC house, Oklahoma, US-OK
Jul 13, 2014 7:30 AM - 4:30 PM
Protocol: Stationary
29 species

Mississippi Kite  1
Red-tailed Hawk  1
Eurasian Collared-Dove  4
White-winged Dove  6
Mourning Dove  10
Yellow-billed Cuckoo  1
Chimney Swift  5
Red-bellied Woodpecker  1
Downy Woodpecker  2
Eastern Phoebe  1
Great Crested Flycatcher  1
Western Kingbird  1
White-eyed Vireo  1
Blue Jay  4
American Crow  3
Carolina Chickadee  2
House Wren  1
Carolina Wren  3
Bewick's Wren  1
Blue-gray Gnatcatcher  1
Eastern Bluebird  2
Brown Thrasher  1
Northern Mockingbird  1
European Starling  8
Northern Cardinal  10
Painted Bunting  1
Brown-headed Cowbird  3
House Finch  16
House Sparrow  25

View this checklist online at 
http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist?subID=S19092003 


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Subject: Photo op!! OKC
From: henthorn1 <henthorn1 AT COX.NET>
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 13:44:37 -0500
You who are photographers should help document the birds I described a few
days ago at the Sludge Lagoon behind John Marshall High School between
Hefner Rd. and NW 122nd St, just west of the Hefner Parkway.  


Earlier this week before sundown, I saw an adult canvasback duck and its
four children swimming and diving in the lagoon just south of the cattails
in shallow water.  They weren't feeding, just getting in some fun/practice.
I have tried to find them again to photograph them, but never seem to be
there at the right time.  David McNeely informed me that this is likely a
record late-breeding date for canvasbacks in Oklahoma, and evidence should
be submitted to e-bird and the state records committee.

 

Please combine forces and let's get this done!  If questions, contact me at
henthorn1 AT cox.net or my cellphone 778-9662. Sharon

 
Subject: Caspian Terns - Boomer Lake, Stillwater
From: Scott Loss <scottrloss AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 21:16:06 -0500
3 Caspian Terns arrived at Boomer Lake right before dusk tonight and did
several lengths of the lake foraging and calling to each other. They were
still there as it got dark. Boomer has now had Caspian and Least Terns
(twice) in the last two weeks.

Scott Loss
Stillwater
Subject: Re: kids shooting birds
From: David McNeely <mcneely4 AT COX.NET>
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 22:12:12 -0500
Are we talking about sources of mortality, or causes of population declines? 
The latter can be mostly attributed to habitat loss and environmental 
degradation brought about by the activities of people. David 


---- James Jorgensen  wrote: 
> This is an involved complex issue. 
> If I look at birds, hawks, cats and owls in our little corner as well as read 
some 'studies' regarding these issues I see one species only responsible for 
all of the issues.....it's none of the species on the fore mentioned list 
above. 

> If anyone would be willing to discuss issues regarding the above I can 
arrange a public meeting place in MWC at any time. 

> James R Jorgensen DVM
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jul 10, 2014, at 7:54 PM, Kristi Hendricks  
wrote: 

> > 
> > I agree with David that feral cats cause much more harm to bird 
populations. I was amazed to hear of some friends who have a neighbor that 
welcomes and feeds some of the feral cats in her neighborhood. Victims, like 
young woodpeckers, have fallen prey to the feline's instincts. Cats are a 
human-induced pest, particularly when let outdoors. Florida panthers, besides 
birds, have gotten feline leukemia thanks to feral cat populations. 
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2600209/ 

> > 
> > 
> >> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Lee Hoy  wrote:
> >> I shot them as a kid with bb gun, I shot sparrows that would come around
> >> our pond.  No idea what species they were.  I stopped shooting about age
> >> 13 and never shot again.  I have been a birder since I was 19.  It is what
> >> you did growing up in the country.  It was just the norm.
> >> 
> >> Lee Hoy
> >> Georgetown, TX
> >> 
> >> On 7/10/14, 3:38 PM, "Steve Schafer"  wrote:
> >> 
> >> >On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 15:28:08 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Some of the best birders I know are males in their 60's and 70's. And
> >> >>they all used to shoot birds when they were kids.
> >> >
> >> >Survivorship bias. Out of all of the males in their 60's and 70's that
> >> >used to shoot birds as kids, what fraction are now birders? What
> >> >fraction of the rest of them still shoot birds?
> >> >
> >> >-Steve
> > 

--
David McNeely
Subject: Red Slough Update
From: David Arbour <arbour AT WINDSTREAM.NET>
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 21:43:27 -0500
Had the following interesting birds while working at Red Slough today:

Black-bellied Whistling-Duck - 1
Neotropic Cormorant - 4
Anhinga - several
White Ibis - lots
Wood Stork - 9
King Rail - 1
Common Moorhen - several

Yesterday I had a Black Tern flying over Lotus Lake and 4 Inca Doves at the 
north end of Mudline Road at Pleasant Hill Community. 



David Arbour
De Queen, AR

Visit the Red Slough Photo Gallery:  www.pbase.com/red_slough_wma
Subject: Re: kids shooting birds
From: Linda Adams <lindafay AT CABLEONE.NET>
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 21:37:23 -0500
I got a BB gun when I was about 8 to 10 years old, but I was instructed not
to shoot or even point it at any living thing or it would be taken away.  I
knew that was not an idle threat, so I made sure to follow the rule. 

Linda Adams


-----Original Message-----
From: okbirds [mailto:OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee Hoy
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:14 PM
To: OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU
Subject: Re: [OKBIRDS] kids shooting birds

I shot them as a kid with bb gun, I shot sparrows that would come around our
pond.  No idea what species they were.  I stopped shooting about age
13 and never shot again.  I have been a birder since I was 19.  It is what
you did growing up in the country.  It was just the norm.

Lee Hoy
Georgetown, TX

On 7/10/14, 3:38 PM, "Steve Schafer"  wrote:

>On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 15:28:08 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>Some of the best birders I know are males in their 60's and 70's. And 
>>they all used to shoot birds when they were kids.
>
>Survivorship bias. Out of all of the males in their 60's and 70's that 
>used to shoot birds as kids, what fraction are now birders? What 
>fraction of the rest of them still shoot birds?
>
>-Steve
Subject: Re: kids shooting birds
From: James Jorgensen <hpah AT COX.NET>
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 20:45:37 -0500
This is an involved complex issue. 
If I look at birds, hawks, cats and owls in our little corner as well as read 
some 'studies' regarding these issues I see one species only responsible for 
all of the issues.....it's none of the species on the fore mentioned list 
above. 

If anyone would be willing to discuss issues regarding the above I can arrange 
a public meeting place in MWC at any time. 

James R Jorgensen DVM


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 10, 2014, at 7:54 PM, Kristi Hendricks  
wrote: 

> 
> I agree with David that feral cats cause much more harm to bird populations. 
I was amazed to hear of some friends who have a neighbor that welcomes and 
feeds some of the feral cats in her neighborhood. Victims, like young 
woodpeckers, have fallen prey to the feline's instincts. Cats are a 
human-induced pest, particularly when let outdoors. Florida panthers, besides 
birds, have gotten feline leukemia thanks to feral cat populations. 
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2600209/ 

> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Lee Hoy  wrote:
>> I shot them as a kid with bb gun, I shot sparrows that would come around
>> our pond.  No idea what species they were.  I stopped shooting about age
>> 13 and never shot again.  I have been a birder since I was 19.  It is what
>> you did growing up in the country.  It was just the norm.
>> 
>> Lee Hoy
>> Georgetown, TX
>> 
>> On 7/10/14, 3:38 PM, "Steve Schafer"  wrote:
>> 
>> >On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 15:28:08 -0500, you wrote:
>> >
>> >>Some of the best birders I know are males in their 60's and 70's. And
>> >>they all used to shoot birds when they were kids.
>> >
>> >Survivorship bias. Out of all of the males in their 60's and 70's that
>> >used to shoot birds as kids, what fraction are now birders? What
>> >fraction of the rest of them still shoot birds?
>> >
>> >-Steve
> 
Subject: Re: kids shooting birds
From: Kristi Hendricks <hendricks.kristi AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 19:54:16 -0500
I agree with David that feral cats cause much more harm to bird
populations. I was amazed to hear of some friends who have a neighbor that
welcomes and feeds some of the feral cats in her neighborhood. Victims,
like young woodpeckers, have fallen prey to the feline's instincts. Cats
are a human-induced pest, particularly when let outdoors. Florida panthers,
besides birds, have gotten feline leukemia thanks to feral cat populations.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2600209/


On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Lee Hoy  wrote:

> I shot them as a kid with bb gun, I shot sparrows that would come around
> our pond.  No idea what species they were.  I stopped shooting about age
> 13 and never shot again.  I have been a birder since I was 19.  It is what
> you did growing up in the country.  It was just the norm.
>
> Lee Hoy
> Georgetown, TX
>
> On 7/10/14, 3:38 PM, "Steve Schafer"  wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 15:28:08 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >>Some of the best birders I know are males in their 60's and 70's. And
> >>they all used to shoot birds when they were kids.
> >
> >Survivorship bias. Out of all of the males in their 60's and 70's that
> >used to shoot birds as kids, what fraction are now birders? What
> >fraction of the rest of them still shoot birds?
> >
> >-Steve
>
Subject: Canvasbacks in OKC
From: Henthorn1 <henthorn1 AT COX.NET>
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 17:24:08 -0500
I just visited the sludge pond behind John Marshall school. The glare was 
bright and poor visibility. But it was easy to recognize the four juvenile 
canvasbacks diving over and over for fun/practice while the proud parent 
trailed behind. Sharon 


Sent from my iPhone
Subject: Re: kids shooting birds
From: Lee Hoy <leehoy AT SUDDENLINK.NET>
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 16:14:03 -0500
I shot them as a kid with bb gun, I shot sparrows that would come around
our pond.  No idea what species they were.  I stopped shooting about age
13 and never shot again.  I have been a birder since I was 19.  It is what
you did growing up in the country.  It was just the norm.

Lee Hoy
Georgetown, TX

On 7/10/14, 3:38 PM, "Steve Schafer"  wrote:

>On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 15:28:08 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>Some of the best birders I know are males in their 60's and 70's. And
>>they all used to shoot birds when they were kids.
>
>Survivorship bias. Out of all of the males in their 60's and 70's that
>used to shoot birds as kids, what fraction are now birders? What
>fraction of the rest of them still shoot birds?
>
>-Steve
Subject: Re: kids shooting birds
From: David McNeely <mcneely4 AT COX.NET>
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 16:06:47 -0500
I lived in small towns in western Texas when I was a kid. Every adult male was 
a hunter, and children were given BB guns at around six years of age. I was 
shown house sparrows and told that I could shoot those, but no other birds. 
Most of my companions did not have the same restriction, and I probably did not 
abide fully by the rule. 


I've learned a few things since then.  I hope most people have.  David

---- Sandy Berger  wrote: 
> Some of the best birders I know are males in their 60's and 70's. And they 
all used to shoot birds when they were kids. I wonder much alcohol played into 
this destruction. 

> 
> Sandy B.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On Jul 10, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Doug McGee  wrote:
> > 
> > And then the "kids" grow up: 
http://www.fws.gov/news/ShowNews.cfm?ID=1C1B2802-9C8C-72BD-BEC2BB827B5B658D 

> > 
> > 
> >> On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 10:22 PM, Janet Curth  wrote:
> >> The unthinking boys and their family may re-think letting them shoot birds 
if they know how many insects the birds can eat, including ticks, mosquitoes, 
wasps - things that I'm sure they' like to see less often. 

> >> Reading about these kids being allowed to be so thoughtless is very sad 
and discouraging. 

> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Jul 9, 2014, at 11:08 AM, Polly O'Malley  wrote:
> >> 
> >> > Hello Birdfolk......
> >> >
> >> > I could use some advice.
> >> >
> >> > The kids next door have been shooting songbirds and now a wading bird 
(green heron) in their own yard. I've asked them before (last summer) to cut it 
out and even gave them some paper targets. We spoke with the parents last 
summer as well and it seemed like it was several weeks before we heard the gun 
again, but now we're into a new summer and dead birds are once again appearing. 

> >> >
> >> > The only way I know they're continuing to kill song birds is that one of 
my dogs goes over there, finds the rotting carcasses and brings them home. What 
I'd like to do is send my husband over with one of their dead birds and a sharp 
knife and have him say something like, "okay, now you've killed it, you've got 
to learn to clean and cook and eat it". Unfortunately, it's usually a few days 
dead by the time the dogs find it and bring it home. We've discovered the 
heron, cardinals, robins, mourning doves and a yellow-billed cuckoo. It just 
makes me sick, but I do not want to involve the law if I can help it. However, 
as a last resort I will. 

> >> >
> >> > Suggestions?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks in advance.  Feel free to contact off-list.
> >> >
> >> > Polly O'Malley
> >> > Agra
> > 

--
David McNeely
Subject: Re: kids shooting birds
From: Steve Schafer <steve AT FENESTRA.COM>
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 16:38:11 -0400
On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 15:28:08 -0500, you wrote:

>Some of the best birders I know are males in their 60's and 70's. And
>they all used to shoot birds when they were kids.

Survivorship bias. Out of all of the males in their 60's and 70's that
used to shoot birds as kids, what fraction are now birders? What
fraction of the rest of them still shoot birds?

-Steve
Subject: Re: kids shooting birds
From: Sandy Berger <sndbrgr AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 15:28:08 -0500
Some of the best birders I know are males in their 60's and 70's. And they all 
used to shoot birds when they were kids. I wonder much alcohol played into this 
destruction. 


Sandy B.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 10, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Doug McGee  wrote:
> 
> And then the "kids" grow up: 
http://www.fws.gov/news/ShowNews.cfm?ID=1C1B2802-9C8C-72BD-BEC2BB827B5B658D 

> 
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 10:22 PM, Janet Curth  wrote:
>> The unthinking boys and their family may re-think letting them shoot birds 
if they know how many insects the birds can eat, including ticks, mosquitoes, 
wasps - things that I'm sure they' like to see less often. 

>> Reading about these kids being allowed to be so thoughtless is very sad and 
discouraging. 

>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 9, 2014, at 11:08 AM, Polly O'Malley  wrote:
>> 
>> > Hello Birdfolk......
>> >
>> > I could use some advice.
>> >
>> > The kids next door have been shooting songbirds and now a wading bird 
(green heron) in their own yard. I've asked them before (last summer) to cut it 
out and even gave them some paper targets. We spoke with the parents last 
summer as well and it seemed like it was several weeks before we heard the gun 
again, but now we're into a new summer and dead birds are once again appearing. 

>> >
>> > The only way I know they're continuing to kill song birds is that one of 
my dogs goes over there, finds the rotting carcasses and brings them home. What 
I'd like to do is send my husband over with one of their dead birds and a sharp 
knife and have him say something like, "okay, now you've killed it, you've got 
to learn to clean and cook and eat it". Unfortunately, it's usually a few days 
dead by the time the dogs find it and bring it home. We've discovered the 
heron, cardinals, robins, mourning doves and a yellow-billed cuckoo. It just 
makes me sick, but I do not want to involve the law if I can help it. However, 
as a last resort I will. 

>> >
>> > Suggestions?
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance.  Feel free to contact off-list.
>> >
>> > Polly O'Malley
>> > Agra
> 
Subject: Re: kids shooting birds
From: Sandy Berger <sndbrgr AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 15:22:26 -0500
Here in Arkansas an Arkansas River island was recently invaded by someone who 
shot nesting Least Terns and trampled their eggs. The Arkansas Game and Fish 
Commission had just put up signs on all river boat ramps to inform people about 
the birds. Sometime I wonder if more knowledge is a good thing. I guess it 
depends on the situation. Talking with kids usually can help, if the kids are 
approached the right way. Telling them to "cut it out" might just make them 
want to rebel and do it more. Got any old field guides, or binocs, you can 
trade them for their guns. :) 


Sandy B.
FS, AR

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 10, 2014, at 1:59 PM, David McNeely  wrote:
> 
> Several of the whooping cranes that are part of the reintroduction program in 
Louisiana have been murdered this year. Those were probably killed by persons 
nominally called adults. Rural youth don't kill nearly as many birds annually 
as do feral cats, but they are a significant source of mortality. For most 
species, they probably have little or no effect on population density, given 
malthusian reality, but they certainly should not be doing it. David 

> 
> ---- Doug McGee  wrote: 
>> And then the "kids" grow up:
>> http://www.fws.gov/news/ShowNews.cfm?ID=1C1B2802-9C8C-72BD-BEC2BB827B5B658D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 10:22 PM, Janet Curth  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The unthinking boys and their family may re-think letting them shoot birds
>>> if they know how many insects the birds can eat, including ticks,
>>> mosquitoes, wasps - things that I'm sure they' like to see less often.
>>> Reading about these kids being allowed to be so thoughtless is very sad
>>> and discouraging.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 9, 2014, at 11:08 AM, Polly O'Malley  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Birdfolk......
>>>> 
>>>> I could use some advice.
>>>> 
>>>> The kids next door have been shooting songbirds and now a wading bird
>>> (green heron) in their own yard.  I've asked them before (last summer) to
>>> cut it out and even gave them some paper targets.  We spoke with the
>>> parents last summer as well and it seemed like it was several weeks before
>>> we heard the gun again, but now we're into a new summer and dead birds are
>>> once again appearing.
>>>> 
>>>> The only way I know they're continuing to kill song birds is that one of
>>> my dogs goes over there, finds the rotting carcasses and brings them home.
>>> What I'd like to do is send my husband  over with one of their dead birds
>>> and a sharp knife and have him say something like, "okay, now you've killed
>>> it, you've got to learn to clean and cook and eat it".  Unfortunately, it's
>>> usually a few days dead by the time the dogs find it and bring it home.
>>> We've discovered the heron, cardinals, robins, mourning doves and a
>>> yellow-billed cuckoo.  It just makes me sick, but I do not want to involve
>>> the law if I can help it.  However, as a last resort I will.
>>>> 
>>>> Suggestions?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks in advance.  Feel free to contact off-list.
>>>> 
>>>> Polly O'Malley
>>>> Agra
> 
> --
> David McNeely
Subject: Re: kids shooting birds
From: David McNeely <mcneely4 AT COX.NET>
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 13:59:15 -0500
Several of the whooping cranes that are part of the reintroduction program in 
Louisiana have been murdered this year. Those were probably killed by persons 
nominally called adults. Rural youth don't kill nearly as many birds annually 
as do feral cats, but they are a significant source of mortality. For most 
species, they probably have little or no effect on population density, given 
malthusian reality, but they certainly should not be doing it. David 


---- Doug McGee  wrote: 
> And then the "kids" grow up:
> http://www.fws.gov/news/ShowNews.cfm?ID=1C1B2802-9C8C-72BD-BEC2BB827B5B658D
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 10:22 PM, Janet Curth  wrote:
> 
> > The unthinking boys and their family may re-think letting them shoot birds
> > if they know how many insects the birds can eat, including ticks,
> > mosquitoes, wasps - things that I'm sure they' like to see less often.
> > Reading about these kids being allowed to be so thoughtless is very sad
> > and discouraging.
> >
> >
> > On Jul 9, 2014, at 11:08 AM, Polly O'Malley  wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Birdfolk......
> > >
> > > I could use some advice.
> > >
> > > The kids next door have been shooting songbirds and now a wading bird
> > (green heron) in their own yard.  I've asked them before (last summer) to
> > cut it out and even gave them some paper targets.  We spoke with the
> > parents last summer as well and it seemed like it was several weeks before
> > we heard the gun again, but now we're into a new summer and dead birds are
> > once again appearing.
> > >
> > > The only way I know they're continuing to kill song birds is that one of
> > my dogs goes over there, finds the rotting carcasses and brings them home.
> >  What I'd like to do is send my husband  over with one of their dead birds
> > and a sharp knife and have him say something like, "okay, now you've killed
> > it, you've got to learn to clean and cook and eat it".  Unfortunately, it's
> > usually a few days dead by the time the dogs find it and bring it home.
> >  We've discovered the heron, cardinals, robins, mourning doves and a
> > yellow-billed cuckoo.  It just makes me sick, but I do not want to involve
> > the law if I can help it.  However, as a last resort I will.
> > >
> > > Suggestions?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.  Feel free to contact off-list.
> > >
> > > Polly O'Malley
> > > Agra
> >

--
David McNeely
Subject: Re: kids shooting birds
From: Doug McGee <wildlifer59 AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 13:29:29 -0400
And then the "kids" grow up:
http://www.fws.gov/news/ShowNews.cfm?ID=1C1B2802-9C8C-72BD-BEC2BB827B5B658D


On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 10:22 PM, Janet Curth  wrote:

> The unthinking boys and their family may re-think letting them shoot birds
> if they know how many insects the birds can eat, including ticks,
> mosquitoes, wasps - things that I'm sure they' like to see less often.
> Reading about these kids being allowed to be so thoughtless is very sad
> and discouraging.
>
>
> On Jul 9, 2014, at 11:08 AM, Polly O'Malley  wrote:
>
> > Hello Birdfolk......
> >
> > I could use some advice.
> >
> > The kids next door have been shooting songbirds and now a wading bird
> (green heron) in their own yard.  I've asked them before (last summer) to
> cut it out and even gave them some paper targets.  We spoke with the
> parents last summer as well and it seemed like it was several weeks before
> we heard the gun again, but now we're into a new summer and dead birds are
> once again appearing.
> >
> > The only way I know they're continuing to kill song birds is that one of
> my dogs goes over there, finds the rotting carcasses and brings them home.
>  What I'd like to do is send my husband  over with one of their dead birds
> and a sharp knife and have him say something like, "okay, now you've killed
> it, you've got to learn to clean and cook and eat it".  Unfortunately, it's
> usually a few days dead by the time the dogs find it and bring it home.
>  We've discovered the heron, cardinals, robins, mourning doves and a
> yellow-billed cuckoo.  It just makes me sick, but I do not want to involve
> the law if I can help it.  However, as a last resort I will.
> >
> > Suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.  Feel free to contact off-list.
> >
> > Polly O'Malley
> > Agra
>
Subject: Re: kids shooting birds
From: Janet Curth <jgcurth AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 21:22:59 -0500
The unthinking boys and their family may re-think letting them shoot birds if 
they know how many insects the birds can eat, including ticks, mosquitoes, 
wasps - things that I'm sure they' like to see less often. 

Reading about these kids being allowed to be so thoughtless is very sad and 
discouraging. 



On Jul 9, 2014, at 11:08 AM, Polly O'Malley  wrote:

> Hello Birdfolk......
> 
> I could use some advice.
> 
> The kids next door have been shooting songbirds and now a wading bird (green 
heron) in their own yard. I've asked them before (last summer) to cut it out 
and even gave them some paper targets. We spoke with the parents last summer as 
well and it seemed like it was several weeks before we heard the gun again, but 
now we're into a new summer and dead birds are once again appearing. 

> 
> The only way I know they're continuing to kill song birds is that one of my 
dogs goes over there, finds the rotting carcasses and brings them home. What 
I'd like to do is send my husband over with one of their dead birds and a sharp 
knife and have him say something like, "okay, now you've killed it, you've got 
to learn to clean and cook and eat it". Unfortunately, it's usually a few days 
dead by the time the dogs find it and bring it home. We've discovered the 
heron, cardinals, robins, mourning doves and a yellow-billed cuckoo. It just 
makes me sick, but I do not want to involve the law if I can help it. However, 
as a last resort I will. 

> 
> Suggestions?
> 
> Thanks in advance.  Feel free to contact off-list.
> 
> Polly O'Malley
> Agra
Subject: Re: kids shooting birds
From: John Sterling <prairie AT ITLNET.NET>
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 20:33:47 -0500
Yes, your dog could be next.  

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 9, 2014, at 2:16 PM, Lisa Wiesbauer  wrote:
> 
> I'll keep my mouth shut on this one!!!
> 
>> On Wednesday, July 9, 2014, Curtis, Tom  wrote:
>> You might mention the consequences of violating the migratory bird laws to 
the parents. They may not realize the legal ramifications. You don't have to be 
confrontational, just a word to the wise. 

>> 
>> Good luck,
>> Tom Curtis
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: okbirds [mailto:OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU] On Behalf Of Polly O'Malley
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 11:09 AM
>> To: OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU
>> Subject: kids shooting birds
>> 
>> Hello Birdfolk......
>> 
>> I could use some advice.
>> 
>> The kids next door have been shooting songbirds and now a wading bird (green 
heron) in their own yard. I've asked them before (last summer) to cut it out 
and even gave them some paper targets. We spoke with the parents last summer as 
well and it seemed like it was several weeks before we heard the gun again, but 
now we're into a new summer and dead birds are once again appearing. 

>> 
>> The only way I know they're continuing to kill song birds is that one of my 
dogs goes over there, finds the rotting carcasses and brings them home. What 
I'd like to do is send my husband over with one of their dead birds and a sharp 
knife and have him say something like, "okay, now you've killed it, you've got 
to learn to clean and cook and eat it". 

>> Unfortunately, it's usually a few days dead by the time the dogs find it and 
bring it home. We've discovered the heron, cardinals, robins, mourning doves 
and a yellow-billed cuckoo. It just makes me sick, but I do not want to involve 
the law if I can help it. However, as a last resort I will. 

>> 
>> Suggestions?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.  Feel free to contact off-list.
>> 
>> Polly O'Malley
>> Agra
Subject: Re: kids shooting birds
From: Lisa Wiesbauer <lakehaven58 AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 14:16:30 -0500
I'll keep my mouth shut on this one!!!

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014, Curtis, Tom  wrote:

> You might mention the consequences of violating the migratory bird laws to
> the parents.  They may not realize the legal ramifications.  You don't have
> to be confrontational, just a word to the wise.
>
> Good luck,
> Tom Curtis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: okbirds [mailto:OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU ] On Behalf Of
> Polly O'Malley
> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 11:09 AM
> To: OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU 
> Subject: kids shooting birds
>
> Hello Birdfolk......
>
> I could use some advice.
>
> The kids next door have been shooting songbirds and now a wading bird
> (green heron) in their own yard.  I've asked them before (last summer) to
> cut it out and even gave them some paper targets.  We spoke with the
> parents last summer as well and it seemed like it was several weeks before
> we heard the gun again, but now we're into a new summer and dead birds are
> once again appearing.
>
> The only way I know they're continuing to kill song birds is that one of
> my dogs goes over there, finds the rotting carcasses and brings them home.
>  What I'd like to do is send my husband  over with one of their dead birds
> and a sharp knife and have him say something like, "okay, now you've killed
> it, you've got to learn to clean and cook and eat it".
> Unfortunately, it's usually a few days dead by the time the dogs find it
> and bring it home.  We've discovered the heron, cardinals, robins, mourning
> doves and a yellow-billed cuckoo.  It just makes me sick, but I do not want
> to involve the law if I can help it.  However, as a last resort I will.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> Thanks in advance.  Feel free to contact off-list.
>
> Polly O'Malley
> Agra
>
Subject: Re: kids shooting birds
From: "Curtis, Tom" <tom.curtis AT OKSTATE.EDU>
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 16:22:45 +0000
You might mention the consequences of violating the migratory bird laws to the 
parents. They may not realize the legal ramifications. You don't have to be 
confrontational, just a word to the wise. 


Good luck,
Tom Curtis

-----Original Message-----
From: okbirds [mailto:OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU] On Behalf Of Polly O'Malley
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 11:09 AM
To: OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU
Subject: kids shooting birds

Hello Birdfolk......

I could use some advice.

The kids next door have been shooting songbirds and now a wading bird (green 
heron) in their own yard. I've asked them before (last summer) to cut it out 
and even gave them some paper targets. We spoke with the parents last summer as 
well and it seemed like it was several weeks before we heard the gun again, but 
now we're into a new summer and dead birds are once again appearing. 


The only way I know they're continuing to kill song birds is that one of my 
dogs goes over there, finds the rotting carcasses and brings them home. What 
I'd like to do is send my husband over with one of their dead birds and a sharp 
knife and have him say something like, "okay, now you've killed it, you've got 
to learn to clean and cook and eat it". 

Unfortunately, it's usually a few days dead by the time the dogs find it and 
bring it home. We've discovered the heron, cardinals, robins, mourning doves 
and a yellow-billed cuckoo. It just makes me sick, but I do not want to involve 
the law if I can help it. However, as a last resort I will. 


Suggestions?

Thanks in advance.  Feel free to contact off-list.

Polly O'Malley
Agra
Subject: Re: kids shooting birds
From: JOS GRZYBOWSKI <j_grzybowski AT SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 09:22:29 -0700
You can contact the Wildlife Department, and have a game ranger come over and 
"inform" them of the laws protecting birds (Migratory Bird Treaty), and the 
consequences of such actions should they continue. Also educate them some. If 
they are "duck dynasty" rednecks or worse, may not matter, but who knows--may 
be a small step for mankind. 

CHEERS, JOE Grzybowski




On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 11:08 AM, Polly O'Malley  
wrote: 

 


Hello Birdfolk......

I could use some advice.

The kids next door have been shooting songbirds and now a wading bird 
(green heron) in their own yard. I've asked them before (last summer) 
to cut it out and even gave them some paper targets. We spoke with the 
parents last summer as well and it seemed like it was several weeks 
before we heard the gun again, but now we're into a new summer and dead 
birds are once again appearing.

The only way I know they're continuing to kill song birds is that one of 
my dogs goes over there, finds the rotting carcasses and brings them 
home. What I'd like to do is send my husband over with one of their 
dead birds and a sharp knife and have him say something like, "okay, now 
you've killed it, you've got to learn to clean and cook and eat it". 
Unfortunately, it's usually a few days dead by the time the dogs find it 
and bring it home. We've discovered the heron, cardinals, robins, 
mourning doves and a yellow-billed cuckoo. It just makes me sick, but I 
do not want to involve the law if I can help it. However, as a last 
resort I will.

Suggestions?

Thanks in advance. Feel free to contact off-list.

Polly O'Malley
Agra
Subject: kids shooting birds
From: Polly O'Malley <pomalley AT BRIGHTOK.NET>
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 11:08:53 -0500
Hello Birdfolk......

I could use some advice.

The kids next door have been shooting songbirds and now a wading bird 
(green heron) in their own yard.  I've asked them before (last summer) 
to cut it out and even gave them some paper targets.  We spoke with the 
parents last summer as well and it seemed like it was several weeks 
before we heard the gun again, but now we're into a new summer and dead 
birds are once again appearing.

The only way I know they're continuing to kill song birds is that one of 
my dogs goes over there, finds the rotting carcasses and brings them 
home.  What I'd like to do is send my husband  over with one of their 
dead birds and a sharp knife and have him say something like, "okay, now 
you've killed it, you've got to learn to clean and cook and eat it".  
Unfortunately, it's usually a few days dead by the time the dogs find it 
and bring it home.  We've discovered the heron, cardinals, robins, 
mourning doves and a yellow-billed cuckoo.  It just makes me sick, but I 
do not want to involve the law if I can help it.  However, as a last 
resort I will.

Suggestions?

Thanks in advance.  Feel free to contact off-list.

Polly O'Malley
Agra
Subject: Red Slough Bird Survey - July 8
From: David Arbour <arbour AT WINDSTREAM.NET>
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 21:30:19 -0500
It was partly cloudy and hot on the bird survey today. 64 species were found. 
Here is my list for today: 


Black-bellied Whistling-Duck - 2
Canada Goose - 7
Wood Duck - 23
Pied-billed Grebe - 10
Neotropic Cormorant - 5
Anhinga - 15 (1 on a nest.)
Least Bittern - 4
Great Blue Heron - 37
Great Egret - 101
Snowy Egret - 36
Little Blue Heron - 39
Tricolored Heron - 1 adult
Cattle Egret - 3
Green Heron - 8
Yellow-crowned Night-Heron - 15
White Ibis - 169
Wood Stork - 7
Black Vulture - 3
Turkey Vulture - 37
Cooper's Hawk - 1
Red-tailed Hawk - 1
King Rail - 1
Purple Gallinule - 3 (observed pair building a nest.)
Common Gallinule - 13 (also 3 small downy chicks.)
American Coot - 1
Killdeer - 4
Lesser Yellowlegs - 2
Least Tern - 2
Mourning Dove - 31
Yellow-billed Cuckoo - 9
Belted Kingfisher - 3
Red-bellied Woodpecker - 2
Downy Woodpecker - 1
Willow Flycatcher - 1
Eastern Kingbird - 9
Scissor-tailed Flycatcher - 1
White-eyed Vireo - 2
Bell's Vireo - 3
American Crow - 5
Fish Crow - 1
Purple Martin - 9
Tree Swallow - 65
Northern Rough-winged Swallow - 2
Cliff Swallow - 4
Barn Swallow - 27
Carolina Chickadee - 2
Carolina Wren - 11
Blue-gray Gnatcatcher - 2
Gray Catbird - 1
Northern Mockingbird - 2
Prothonotary Warbler - 2
Kentucky Warbler - 1
Common Yellowthroat - 9
Yellow-breasted Chat - 9
Summer Tanager - 1
Northern Cardinal - 19
Blue Grosbeak - 5
Indigo Bunting - 18
Painted Bunting - 6
Dickcissel - 47
Red-winged Blackbird - 48
Common Grackle - 4
Brown-headed Cowbird - 13
Orchard Oriole - 7


Odonates:

Fragile Forktail
Rambur's Forktail
Blue-fronted Dancer
Common Green Darner
Regal Darner
Cyrano Darner
Prince Baskettail
Jade Clubtail
Halloween Pennant
Eastern Pondhawk
Great Pondhawk
Slaty Skimmer
Widow Skimmer
Great-blue Skimmer
Blue Dasher
Spot-winged Glider
Black Saddlebags

Herps:

American Alligator
Three-toed Box Turtle
Red-eared Slider
Softshell Turtle species
Blanchard's Cricket Frog
Bronze Frog
Bullfrog


Good birding!


David Arbour
De Queen, AR

Visit the Red Slough Photo Gallery:  www.pbase.com/red_slough_wma
Subject: Re: Help with Tern ID possible Caspian Tern, Lake Hefner
From: Deanne McKinney <trialsz63 AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 18:42:21 -0500
I saw the Caspian and Forster's Terns there today as well, and there were
three American Avocets that were still in breeding plumage too.
On Jul 8, 2014 6:37 PM, "David McNeely"  wrote:

> ---- henthorn1  wrote:
> > I'm going to have to see these terns.  I haven't been to Hefner in a
> while,
> > and didn't know any terns were about.  I would guess the pure relative
> size
> > would make it a Caspian tern.  But all the other guys look much brighter
> and
> > more striking than I am accustomed with our Forster's terns.  I wonder if
> > common terns could be here. Sharon
>
> Sharon, I think these birds are in breeding plumage.  They don't breed
> here, but maybe keep their bright coats even as they move about.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: okbirds [mailto:OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU] On Behalf Of Calvin Rees
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 5:51 PM
> > To: OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU
> > Subject: Help with Tern ID possible Caspian Tern, Lake Hefner
> >
> >
> >
> > I do not know my Terns that well but I saw these Terns today at Lake
> Hefner
> >
> >
> >
> > https://flic.kr/p/ofT9pt
> >
> >
> >
> > https://flic.kr/p/nYpT26
> >
> >
> >
> > https://flic.kr/p/nYoCRC
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for your help
> >
> >
> >
> > Calvin
> >
>
> --
> David McNeely
>
Subject: Re: Help with Tern ID possible Caspian Tern, Lake Hefner
From: David McNeely <mcneely4 AT COX.NET>
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 18:37:31 -0500
---- henthorn1  wrote: 
> I'm going to have to see these terns.  I haven't been to Hefner in a while,
> and didn't know any terns were about.  I would guess the pure relative size
> would make it a Caspian tern.  But all the other guys look much brighter and
> more striking than I am accustomed with our Forster's terns.  I wonder if
> common terns could be here. Sharon

Sharon, I think these birds are in breeding plumage. They don't breed here, but 
maybe keep their bright coats even as they move about. 

> 
>  
> 
> From: okbirds [mailto:OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU] On Behalf Of Calvin Rees
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 5:51 PM
> To: OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU
> Subject: Help with Tern ID possible Caspian Tern, Lake Hefner
> 
>  
> 
> I do not know my Terns that well but I saw these Terns today at Lake Hefner 
> 
>  
> 
> https://flic.kr/p/ofT9pt
> 
>  
> 
> https://flic.kr/p/nYpT26
> 
>  
> 
> https://flic.kr/p/nYoCRC
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks for your help
> 
>  
> 
> Calvin
> 

--
David McNeely
Subject: Re: Help with Tern ID possible Caspian Tern, Lake Hefner
From: henthorn1 <henthorn1 AT COX.NET>
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 18:22:21 -0500
I'm going to have to see these terns.  I haven't been to Hefner in a while,
and didn't know any terns were about.  I would guess the pure relative size
would make it a Caspian tern.  But all the other guys look much brighter and
more striking than I am accustomed with our Forster's terns.  I wonder if
common terns could be here. Sharon

 

From: okbirds [mailto:OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU] On Behalf Of Calvin Rees
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 5:51 PM
To: OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU
Subject: Help with Tern ID possible Caspian Tern, Lake Hefner

 

I do not know my Terns that well but I saw these Terns today at Lake Hefner 

 

https://flic.kr/p/ofT9pt

 

https://flic.kr/p/nYpT26

 

https://flic.kr/p/nYoCRC

 

Thanks for your help

 

Calvin
Subject: Re: Help with Tern ID possible Caspian Tern, Lake Hefner
From: Calvin Rees <calvinok AT COX.NET>
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 18:04:54 -0500
Thanks Joe

 

 

From: okbirds [mailto:OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU] On Behalf Of JOS GRZYBOWSKI
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 6:02 PM
To: OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU
Subject: Re: [OKBIRDS] Help with Tern ID possible Caspian Tern, Lake Hefner

 

Yes, one is a Caspian Tern.  The others are Forster's Terns.

CHEERS,                   JOE Grzybowski

 

On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 5:51 PM, Calvin Rees  wrote:

 

I do not know my Terns that well but I saw these Terns today at Lake Hefner 

 

https://flic.kr/p/ofT9pt

 

https://flic.kr/p/nYpT26

 

https://flic.kr/p/nYoCRC

 

Thanks for your help

 

Calvin

 
Subject: Re: Help with Tern ID possible Caspian Tern, Lake Hefner
From: JOS GRZYBOWSKI <j_grzybowski AT SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 16:01:51 -0700
Yes, one is a Caspian Tern. The others are Forster's Terns.
CHEERS, JOE Grzybowski



On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 5:51 PM, Calvin Rees  wrote:
 


I do not know my Terns that well but I saw these Terns today at Lake Hefner 

https://flic.kr/p/ofT9pt

https://flic.kr/p/nYpT26

https://flic.kr/p/nYoCRC

Thanks for your help

Calvin
Subject: Help with Tern ID possible Caspian Tern, Lake Hefner
From: Calvin Rees <calvinok AT COX.NET>
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 17:51:14 -0500
I do not know my Terns that well but I saw these Terns today at Lake Hefner 

 

https://flic.kr/p/ofT9pt

 

https://flic.kr/p/nYpT26

 

https://flic.kr/p/nYoCRC

 

Thanks for your help

 

Calvin
Subject: Help with Tern ID (1)
From: Calvin Rees <calvinok AT COX.NET>
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 17:47:38 -0500
Need Help with ID please help,  

 

https://flic.kr/p/nYpMqX

 

https://flic.kr/p/nYpMq6

 

 

Thanks

 

Calvin
Subject: Re: Chimney Swifts
From: Rebecca John <becajohn_50 AT MSN.COM>
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 16:04:33 -0500
Is the bottom screened? How do they keep snakes out with the bottom so close to 
the ground? 

Rebecca John
Skiatook 

> On Jul 8, 2014, at 3:39 PM, "Timothy O'Connell"  
wrote: 

> 
> Well, the ODWC is doing its part to make some nesting chimneys available: 
http://eatmorecookies.wordpress.com/2014/07/07/dual-purpose-kioskswift-housing/ 

> ~tim
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2014, at 3:29 PM, John Sterling wrote:
>> 
>> I have them in my chimney also. When my son was little he called them gost. 
We looked forward to them each spring. You can put a cap on the chimney, but 
where will the swifts go? 

>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jul 8, 2014, at 2:37 PM, Sue Selman  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a fairly large Chimney that I do not use and every year the Swifts 
make use of it. I wouldn’t mind but they are very loud. It sounds like I have 
aliens in my chimney. 

>>> I have had four of the fledglings fall out and I have had to release them 
outside. They could fly but I am concerned if they can fend for themselves. 

>>> Sue Selman
>>> Selman Ok
Subject: Re: Chimney Swifts
From: Timothy O'Connell <tim.oconnell AT OKSTATE.EDU>
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 15:36:23 -0500
Well, the ODWC is doing its part to make some nesting chimneys available: 
http://eatmorecookies.wordpress.com/2014/07/07/dual-purpose-kioskswift-housing/ 

~tim



On Jul 8, 2014, at 3:29 PM, John Sterling wrote:

> I have them in my chimney also. When my son was little he called them gost. 
We looked forward to them each spring. You can put a cap on the chimney, but 
where will the swifts go? 

> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2014, at 2:37 PM, Sue Selman  wrote:
>> 
>> I have a fairly large Chimney that I do not use and every year the Swifts 
make use of it. I wouldnt mind but they are very loud. It sounds like I have 
aliens in my chimney. 

>> I have had four of the fledglings fall out and I have had to release them 
outside. They could fly but I am concerned if they can fend for themselves. 

>> Sue Selman
>> Selman Ok
Subject: Re: Chimney Swifts
From: Sue Selman <selmanranch AT WILDBLUE.NET>
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 15:36:33 -0500
I hope to build a house for them someday. I have seen them. Until then I wont 
take their home away. 


On Jul 8, 2014, at 3:29 PM, John Sterling  wrote:

> I have them in my chimney also. When my son was little he called them gost. 
We looked forward to them each spring. You can put a cap on the chimney, but 
where will the swifts go? 

> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2014, at 2:37 PM, Sue Selman  wrote:
>> 
>> I have a fairly large Chimney that I do not use and every year the Swifts 
make use of it. I wouldnt mind but they are very loud. It sounds like I have 
aliens in my chimney. 

>> I have had four of the fledglings fall out and I have had to release them 
outside. They could fly but I am concerned if they can fend for themselves. 

>> Sue Selman
>> Selman Ok
Subject: Re: Chimney Swifts
From: John Sterling <prairie AT ITLNET.NET>
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 15:29:30 -0500
I have them in my chimney also. When my son was little he called them gost. We 
looked forward to them each spring. You can put a cap on the chimney, but where 
will the swifts go? 


Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 8, 2014, at 2:37 PM, Sue Selman  wrote:
> 
> I have a fairly large Chimney that I do not use and every year the Swifts 
make use of it. I wouldn’t mind but they are very loud. It sounds like I have 
aliens in my chimney. 

> I have had four of the fledglings fall out and I have had to release them 
outside. They could fly but I am concerned if they can fend for themselves. 

> Sue Selman
> Selman Ok
Subject: Re: Downed nest and cops called
From: John Sterling <prairie AT ITLNET.NET>
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 15:15:51 -0500
I did environmental enforcement for ODEQ before retirement. I encountered many 
people out in the country who were not happy to see me. You learn very fast how 
to work with such people. Being friendly and showing interest in them went a 
long ways. You both knew they were going to have to comply with the law. Show 
people respect and they will respect you. Same as in birding. I always try to 
never trespass. Show interest in them and they usually respond like wise. Have 
had great conversations with the general public and law enforcement. I like to 
drive allies. That is where most of the feeders are. Sure draws attention. 


Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 7, 2014, at 8:38 PM, "Bostian, Kelly"  
wrote: 

> 
> Good stories everybody! Thanks for sharing.
> The ethics of outdoor activities -- and of course journalism -- usually bring 
up interesting discussion, especially around a bird's nest. There is the train 
of thought, and a quite valid one, that a nest should be completely left alone 
and only viewed from a distance in the first place. 

> We always make judgement calls when we're scoping, scouting and taking 
photographs in a public setting, and interacting with wildlife. 

> It always pays to be friendly open and courteous and a gauge your 
surroundings as an ambassador of all involved in our shared outdoor passions. 
In this case a couple folks asked what I was doing and when I told them they 
thought it was really interesting. I was standing right out in the open by my 
truck and waving and smiling at people as they passed. 

> People do tend to overestimate the power of a camera lens and have no reason 
to trust the person behind it and that's always a good thought to keep in mind. 

> To Jim's good point I must confess I've had similar good relations and 
probably have been more cautious about informing nearby landowners when I'm in 
a rural setting. In my own backyard I may have lost a little of that 
perspective. 

> The one police officer asked if I was a P.I. and that was an eye-opener. The 
idea someone could be concerned that I was tracking vehicles coming and going 
from the neighborhood had not occurred to me. Traffic was something I was 
trying to ignore. 

> In hindsight I'd could have used the HOA group e-mail to tell folks what I 
was up to before I started sitting there or distributed my business card to the 
four or five houses nearest where I was sitting, even though they were hidden 
from view behind privacy fences. 

> 
> 
> Kelly Bostian
> Outdoors Writer
> Tulsa World Media Company
> www.tulsaworld.com
> office | 918 581 8357
> mobile | 918 231 1385
> fax | 918 581 8353
> 315 S. Boulder Ave., Tulsa, OK 74103
> twitter |  AT kellybostian
> blog |tulsaworld.com/KellyBostian
> email | kelly.bostian AT tulsaworld.com
Subject: Chimney Swifts
From: Sue Selman <selmanranch AT WILDBLUE.NET>
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 14:37:25 -0500
 I have a fairly large Chimney that I do not use and every year the Swifts make 
use of it. I wouldnt mind but they are very loud. It sounds like I have aliens 
in my chimney. 

 I have had four of the fledglings fall out and I have had to release them 
outside. They could fly but I am concerned if they can fend for themselves. 

 Sue Selman
 Selman Ok
Subject: Winter OOS-affiliated trip to the Rio Grande Valley
From: Doug Wood <DWood AT SE.EDU>
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 19:13:53 +0000
Hello All. Later this year (Dec 27-Jan 4), the Oklahoma Ornithological Society 
is sponsoring a trip to the Rio Grande Valley in South Texas. This trip is a 
bit unorthodox in that two trip leaders (Jimmy Woodward and yours truly) will 
be leading participants on daily field trips (see itinerary below). However, 
there is no paid fee for the trip (i.e., trip leaders are volunteering their 
time and efforts) and you will be responsible for your own transportation and 
lodging. The idea behind this trip is to do a test run for more structured 
out-of-state field trips in the future by the OOS. This trip is open to anyone 
from the Oklahoma birding community; you don't have to be a member of OOS to be 
on the trip, although we of course would encourage joining OOS anyway! :) We 
are also experimenting with a two option approach. Option A would be a bit 
easier physically. This group will hit all the major birding sites in the 
valley with some other options like a visit to the Brownsville Zoo and easier 
birding hours. Option B would be a more aggressive group that would spend more 
time in the field, skip the zoo option, and be more inclined to chase rarities, 
nocturnal birding etc. There will quite a few times the groups will bird 
together, so there will be some collective efforts in the field too. You can 
switch between groups as desired. The itinerary listed below is for Option A, 
but Option B will be similar and decided as we get a bit closer. We have 
already had several folks sign up from the previous announcement at the spring 
meeting, but we would like a head count of likely participants soon. If you are 
interested in participating, please email me 
(dwood AT se.edu) or Jimmy 
(j.woodard AT cox.net) and we will put you on the email 
list for upcoming announcements. If you know anyone who is not on the listserv, 
but might be interested in this trip, feel free to forward the this email. I 
look forward to hearing from you. Feel free to ask any questions you may have. 
Thanks, Doug. 


Group A (Laid Back) Itinerary
Dec 27 (Saturday) - Depart Oklahoma.  Spend night in Victoria or Refugio
Dec 28 (Sunday) - AM = bird Aransas NWR (Whooping Crane, Crested Caracara, 
Harris's Hawk, White-tailed Hawk). PM = drive in afternoon to Brownsville area 
with short stops along way. Late afternoon birding or checking parrot (Green 
Parakeet, Red-crowned Parrot) roosts in Harlingen/Brownsville area. Spend night 
in Brownsville. 

Dec 29 (Monday) - AM = bird Sabal Palm Grove Sanctuary (White-tipped Dove, 
Green Kingfisher, Least Grebe). PM = bird Boca Chica and Laguna Atascosa NWR 
(Aplomado Falcon). Spend night in Brownsville. 

Dec 30 (Tuesday) - AM/PM = bird Estero Llano Grande SP (Common Pauraque), 
Fronterra, Weslaco areas (White-tailed Kite, Altamira Oriole, Tropical and 
Couch's Kingbirds, Buff-bellied Hummingbird). Spend night in Harlingen, Alamo, 
or Weslaco. 

Split Option for Dec 31 (Wednesday)
Option 1 - Nadine Varner suggested a trip to the Brownsville Zoo, so this group 
will go to the zoo that day. 

Option 2 - AM = bird Santa Ana NWR (Plain Chachalaca, Green Jay, Gray Hawk, 
Groove-billed Ani). PM = bird Anzalduas County Park and Edinburg hot spots. 
Spend night in Harlingen, Alamo, or Weslaco. 

Jan 1 (Thursday) - AM = bird World Birding Center (nee Bentsen-Rio Grande SP). 
PM = Bird feeders at Salineno (Audubon's Oriole) and other spot locations on 
way to Zapata. Spend night in Zapata. 

Jan 2 (Friday) - AM = bird Falcon Lake SP. PM = bird Zapata and San Ygnacio 
(White-collared Seedeater). Spend night in Zapata. 

Jan 3 (Saturday) - bird San Ygnacio (White-collared Seedeater). Start driving 
back. Spend night somewhere along I-35. 

Jan 4 (Sunday) - arrive back in Oklahoma.


Douglas R. Wood, Ph.D.
Professor of Biological Sciences
Southeastern Oklahoma State University
PMB 4068
1405 N. 4th Ave
Durant, OK 74701-0609
dwood AT se.edu
580-745-2272

Subject: Re: Downed nest and cops called
From: Terri Underhill <tunderhill AT COX.NET>
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 22:04:46 -0500
Hello OKBirders,

I have never had anyone give me a hard time while out birding with my camera 
and binoculars. But I think it's pretty obvious what I'm doing since my car tag 
reads "OWLNUT" and my bumper sticker says "Bird Watcher I brake for Birds" 


I think the suspicion problem arises when birders that carry a large camera 
don't carry binoculars. I think non-birders believe a typical bird watcher 
carries a pair of binoculars and a field guide :) Personally I will always be a 
birder first...meaning I want a good look first and if the bird is still there 
I'll take a few shots. 


When I'm out birding with Pat V. and a watchful car goes by slow, I will point 
up high in a tree and then look through my binoculars so they understand what 
we a doing. I think we have more problems with people that are curious and want 
to see what we are seeing. And the one thing I do know is if you want to get a 
non birder excited about birding, just let them take a look at a male Painted 
Bunting through a good pair of binoculars! 


I've really been enjoying hearing and watching the Yellow billed Cuckoos in my 
yard here in Edmond. My elderly mom has been staying with me this summer and 
she just got hearing aids. Now I never pass up a chance to teach her the bird 
calls when we are out on the deck. She has a hard time believing a bird can 
make that odd sound the Cuckoo makes... Life is good when I can teach my mom 
something she doesn't already know! 


Good birding,
Terri Underhill
Edmond, OK
www.okiebirdcam.com 
Subject: Re: Downed nest and cops called
From: "Bostian, Kelly" <Kelly.Bostian AT TULSAWORLD.COM>
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 01:38:20 +0000
Good stories everybody! Thanks for sharing.
The ethics of outdoor activities -- and of course journalism -- usually bring 
up interesting discussion, especially around a bird's nest. There is the train 
of thought, and a quite valid one, that a nest should be completely left alone 
and only viewed from a distance in the first place. 

We always make judgement calls when we're scoping, scouting and taking 
photographs in a public setting, and interacting with wildlife. 

It always pays to be friendly open and courteous and a gauge your surroundings 
as an ambassador of all involved in our shared outdoor passions. In this case a 
couple folks asked what I was doing and when I told them they thought it was 
really interesting. I was standing right out in the open by my truck and waving 
and smiling at people as they passed. 

People do tend to overestimate the power of a camera lens and have no reason to 
trust the person behind it and that's always a good thought to keep in mind. 

To Jim's good point I must confess I've had similar good relations and probably 
have been more cautious about informing nearby landowners when I'm in a rural 
setting. In my own backyard I may have lost a little of that perspective. 

The one police officer asked if I was a P.I. and that was an eye-opener. The 
idea someone could be concerned that I was tracking vehicles coming and going 
from the neighborhood had not occurred to me. Traffic was something I was 
trying to ignore. 

In hindsight I'd could have used the HOA group e-mail to tell folks what I was 
up to before I started sitting there or distributed my business card to the 
four or five houses nearest where I was sitting, even though they were hidden 
from view behind privacy fences. 



Kelly Bostian
Outdoors Writer
Tulsa World Media Company
www.tulsaworld.com
office | 918 581 8357
mobile | 918 231 1385
fax | 918 581 8353
315 S. Boulder Ave., Tulsa, OK 74103
twitter |  AT kellybostian
blog |tulsaworld.com/KellyBostian
email | kelly.bostian AT tulsaworld.com

________________________________________
From: okbirds [OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU] on behalf of Sandy Berger 
[sndbrgr AT GMAIL.COM] 

Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 4:54 PM
To: OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU
Subject: Re: [OKBIRDS] Downed nest and cops called

I have been stopped twice in Roland, OK, for speeding. I was watching birds fly 
over and was not paying attention to the speed limit, even though I knew when 
to slow down. The officers asked me what I was doing and where I was heading. 
Both times, when I told them I was birdwatching, and they saw my scope and 
field guides sitting next to me in the car, they laughed and said "slow down", 
and let me go. 


One time I was called by the OK sheriff's dpt asking who I was and why I was 
looking at houses with binoculars. Apparently an older lady, whom I waved at, 
wrote down my license plate because I was looking at her house. I was looking 
for Harris's Sparrows at her feeder. What I didn't know was that there had been 
some break-ins in the neighborhood. I had scared her. The deputy believed me, 
and I asked him to apologize to the lady for scaring her. Lesson learned. 


Then there was the time I was sitting on the side of the road in the Moffett 
bottoms and a policeman pulled up next to me. He wanted to know if I'd seen a 
man on a bicycle go by. I had, and was able to describe the man and bike. The 
bike was stolen. hahaha So, in that case, I was most helpful. No problems 
there. 


I've lost some time explaining to homeowners what I was doing on my BBS. I've 
lost some time to kind-hearted people wondering if I needed help while stopped 
on my survey. I have found that a smile from me, and taking time to talk, not 
defensively, usually works on people. Even cops. If folks are angry, I 
apologize, and move on. 


Be safe out there. It is a cynical world. But it's hard to blame people for 
being that way now a days. Such a shame. 


Sandy B.
FS, AR


Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 7, 2014, at 1:48 PM, "Bostian, Kelly"  
wrote: 

>
> Anyone out there ever had the police called on them?
> ..and seriously folks, I really was not close to any particular home or I 
would have asked about setting up there. 

> Any thoughts on nest repair? Didn't plan to get that involved but it seemed 
clear to me the 'kids' needed another day before they were ready to scoot. 
..first bird did fledge just about 25 hours later, the last one at 28 hours. 

>
> 
http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/sports/outdoors/the-outdoors-don-t-call-the-cops-i-m-just/article_fc6f826c-8493-57a2-b190-de738a2e142b.html 

>
> Kelly Bostian
> Outdoors Writer
> Tulsa World Media Company
> www.tulsaworld.com
> office | 918 581 8357
> mobile | 918 231 1385
> fax | 918 581 8353
> 315 S. Boulder Ave., Tulsa, OK 74103
> twitter |  AT kellybostian
> blog |tulsaworld.com/KellyBostian
> email | kelly.bostian AT tulsaworld.com
Subject: Re: Downed nest and cops called
From: Sandy Berger <sndbrgr AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 16:54:54 -0500
I have been stopped twice in Roland, OK, for speeding. I was watching birds fly 
over and was not paying attention to the speed limit, even though I knew when 
to slow down. The officers asked me what I was doing and where I was heading. 
Both times, when I told them I was birdwatching, and they saw my scope and 
field guides sitting next to me in the car, they laughed and said "slow down", 
and let me go. 


One time I was called by the OK sheriff's dpt asking who I was and why I was 
looking at houses with binoculars. Apparently an older lady, whom I waved at, 
wrote down my license plate because I was looking at her house. I was looking 
for Harris's Sparrows at her feeder. What I didn't know was that there had been 
some break-ins in the neighborhood. I had scared her. The deputy believed me, 
and I asked him to apologize to the lady for scaring her. Lesson learned. 


Then there was the time I was sitting on the side of the road in the Moffett 
bottoms and a policeman pulled up next to me. He wanted to know if I'd seen a 
man on a bicycle go by. I had, and was able to describe the man and bike. The 
bike was stolen. hahaha So, in that case, I was most helpful. No problems 
there. 


I've lost some time explaining to homeowners what I was doing on my BBS. I've 
lost some time to kind-hearted people wondering if I needed help while stopped 
on my survey. I have found that a smile from me, and taking time to talk, not 
defensively, usually works on people. Even cops. If folks are angry, I 
apologize, and move on. 


Be safe out there. It is a cynical world. But it's hard to blame people for 
being that way now a days. Such a shame. 


Sandy B.
FS, AR


Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 7, 2014, at 1:48 PM, "Bostian, Kelly"  
wrote: 

> 
> Anyone out there ever had the police called on them?
> ..and seriously folks, I really was not close to any particular home or I 
would have asked about setting up there. 

> Any thoughts on nest repair? Didn't plan to get that involved but it seemed 
clear to me the 'kids' needed another day before they were ready to scoot. 
..first bird did fledge just about 25 hours later, the last one at 28 hours. 

> 
> 
http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/sports/outdoors/the-outdoors-don-t-call-the-cops-i-m-just/article_fc6f826c-8493-57a2-b190-de738a2e142b.html 

> 
> Kelly Bostian
> Outdoors Writer
> Tulsa World Media Company
> www.tulsaworld.com
> office | 918 581 8357
> mobile | 918 231 1385
> fax | 918 581 8353
> 315 S. Boulder Ave., Tulsa, OK 74103
> twitter |  AT kellybostian
> blog |tulsaworld.com/KellyBostian
> email | kelly.bostian AT tulsaworld.com
Subject: Re: Downed nest and cops called
From: Deanne McKinney <trialsz63 AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 15:40:40 -0500
Though it may legal to look at anything or anyone in public, that behavior
is seen by some as invasive. I can only imagine what might happen if a
photographer or bird watcher started looking around with their equipment
while at a children's park.

We should be cognizant of our surroundings and courteous to others and
respect their wishes. It would serve only to give birders and photographers
a bad name if we were to go around getting smart with our neighbors, or
worse - the police. It might serve us all better to occasionally review and
uphold the ABA Birding Ethics. Part 2 (c) comes to mind right now.

http://www.aba.org/about/ethics.html

Having the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do.

As for the article and incident around it, it sounds like the neighbors
were on high alert in the area. I'm glad that everything worked out without
any hostility or jail time, and that the birds were put back in their nest,
though I have to wonder if they wouldn't have been alright without human
intervention.

Deanne



On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Chad Ellis  wrote:

> Here is my take. As the law currently stands, if it is in view from the
> street there is no expectation of privacy. My neighbors have threatened to
> call the police on me for setting on my front porch with binoculars and my
> camera. At this point if he came over yelling again I would tell him to go
> ahead. We are within our rights to watch and photograph birds from any
> public place including residential streets. For goodness sake Google has
> already taken pics of every home in this country. My feeders are in my from
> yard and I welcome others to watch them. If there is a feeder in someone's
> yard, and I can see it from the street, I will watch it. If the law is
> called I would handle it in much the same way the writer of the article
> did. They are aware that the battles over the privacy of what can bee seen
> from public property have already been fought and the photographers have
> won.
>
> Chad Ellis
> Oklahoma City
>
>
> On Jul 7, 2014, at 2:33 PM, Terry Mitchell  wrote:
>
> > I've had Police, Sheriffs called on me several times. I never stop and
> > even look a feeders in peoples yards because of it. I've also had many
> > private citizens come and question me and I never stop near a resident, I
> > always try to be friendly and open about what I'm doing but I've had a
> few
> > that were pretty nasty toward me. To those few nasty people I tell them
> to
> > go ahead and call the Police, I have never had law enforcement give me a
> > hard time.  I understand people's concerns so I'm very careful about what
> > I do. I've come to the conclusion that I look like a crook as this
> happens
> > to me all the time. Terry.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: okbirds [mailto:OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU] On Behalf Of Bostian, Kelly
> > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 2:06 PM
> > To: OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Downed nest and cops called
> >
> > I got 'em Saturday and again on Sunday. They were really nice both times.
> > Sunday officer said she figured I was PI monitoring comings and goings in
> > the 'hood -- I'd never thought of that angle.
> >
> > Kelly Bostian
> > Outdoors Writer
> > Tulsa World Media Company
> > www.tulsaworld.com
> > office | 918 581 8357
> > mobile | 918 231 1385
> > fax | 918 581 8353
> > 315 S. Boulder Ave., Tulsa, OK 74103
> > twitter |  AT kellybostian
> > blog |tulsaworld.com/KellyBostian
> > email | kelly.bostian AT tulsaworld.com
> > ________________________________
> > From: okbirds [OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU] on behalf of Mark Cromwell
> > [mark.cromwell01 AT GMAIL.COM]
> > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 1:56 PM
> > To: OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU
> > Subject: Re: [OKBIRDS] Downed nest and cops called
> >
> >
> >
> > Yep. A Drummond, OK town Policeman stopped by my pickup one time to see
> > what I was doing.Nearest house was 3/4 of a mile west of me. (now that I
> > think about it, he was probably a Deputy Sheriff since I was 4 miles
> south
> > and west of town).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Bostian, Kelly
> > >
> wrote:
> > Anyone out there ever had the police called on them?
> > ..and seriously folks, I really was not close to any particular home or I
> > would have asked about setting up there.
> > Any thoughts on nest repair? Didn't plan to get that involved but it
> > seemed clear to me the 'kids' needed another day before they were ready
> to
> > scoot. ..first bird did fledge just about 25 hours later, the last one at
> > 28 hours.
> >
> >
> http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/sports/outdoors/the-outdoors-don-t-call-th
> > e-cops-i-m-just/article_fc6f826c-8493-57a2-b190-de738a2e142b.html
> >
> > Kelly Bostian
> > Outdoors Writer
> > Tulsa World Media Company
> > www.tulsaworld.com >
> > office | 918 581 8357 mobile | 918 231
> > 1385 fax | 918 581 8353
> > 315 S. Boulder Ave., Tulsa, OK 74103
> > twitter |  AT kellybostian
> > blog
> > |tulsaworld.com/KellyBostian<
> http://ww
> > w.tulsaworld.com/blog>
> > email |
> > kelly.bostian AT tulsaworld.com > > ame AT tulsaworld.com>
> >
>
Subject: Re: Downed nest and cops called
From: John Fisher <rgs455 AT COX.NET>
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 16:25:43 -0400
Several years ago, John Nelson & I were blacklighting for moths at one of the 
WMAs in the SE part of the state. About 1 AM a ranger pulled up with his lights 
flashing. After I showed him my license and we explained what we were doing he 
said the sheriff's office had called him because they were getting calls about 
a UFO landing on the WMA. The ranger said when he told the sheriff's office 
UFOs were their problem they promptly informed him it WAS HIS problem since 
whatever it was, it was on his blank, blank WMA. He laughed about it and said 
he was glad it wasn't somebody spot lighting deer but you could tell he wasn't 
too happy about being woken up in the middle of the night. 


John

---- "Bostian wrote: 
> I got 'em Saturday and again on Sunday. They were really nice both times. 
Sunday officer said she figured I was PI monitoring comings and goings in the 
'hood -- I'd never thought of that angle. 

> 
> Kelly Bostian
> Outdoors Writer
> Tulsa World Media Company
> www.tulsaworld.com
> office | 918 581 8357
> mobile | 918 231 1385
> fax | 918 581 8353
> 315 S. Boulder Ave., Tulsa, OK 74103
> twitter |  AT kellybostian
> blog |tulsaworld.com/KellyBostian
> email | kelly.bostian AT tulsaworld.com
> ________________________________
> From: okbirds [OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU] on behalf of Mark Cromwell 
[mark.cromwell01 AT GMAIL.COM] 

> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 1:56 PM
> To: OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU
> Subject: Re: [OKBIRDS] Downed nest and cops called
> 
> 
> 
> Yep. A Drummond, OK town Policeman stopped by my pickup one time to see what 
I was doing.Nearest house was 3/4 of a mile west of me. (now that I think about 
it, he was probably a Deputy Sheriff since I was 4 miles south and west of 
town). 

> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Bostian, Kelly 
> wrote: 

> Anyone out there ever had the police called on them?
> ..and seriously folks, I really was not close to any particular home or I 
would have asked about setting up there. 

> Any thoughts on nest repair? Didn't plan to get that involved but it seemed 
clear to me the 'kids' needed another day before they were ready to scoot. 
..first bird did fledge just about 25 hours later, the last one at 28 hours. 

> 
> 
http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/sports/outdoors/the-outdoors-don-t-call-the-cops-i-m-just/article_fc6f826c-8493-57a2-b190-de738a2e142b.html 

> 
> Kelly Bostian
> Outdoors Writer
> Tulsa World Media Company
> www.tulsaworld.com
> office | 918 581 8357
> mobile | 918 231 1385
> fax | 918 581 8353
> 315 S. Boulder Ave., Tulsa, OK 74103
> twitter |  AT kellybostian
> blog 
|tulsaworld.com/KellyBostian 

> email | 
kelly.bostian AT tulsaworld.com> 

Subject: Re: Downed nest and cops called
From: Jim Arterburn <jimarterburn AT COX.NET>
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 15:25:33 -0500
OKBirds,

Years ago I had the sheriff called on me so often in north Tulsa County that 
once they saw my car they would just turn around and leave, sometimes not even 
turning onto the county road I was on. One of the first times I was in the same 
area in a new car they stopped. I told them this was the car I was driving now 
and they said that they would keep an eye out for this one now. Also one time 
while I was standing by my car scoping out loons on the Lake Hefner Dam in OKC 
I had a police helicopter hover overhead while two police cars approached. It 
turned out that a bank had just been robbed somewhere in the area and the 
description of the getaway car matched mine. However, unlike Terry I have an 
honest face and they left. 


It does seem that homeowners and landowners have getting more suspicious and 
cautious about people stopping around their property and are coming to check me 
out. To their defense most are concerned about burglaries and cattle rustling. 
To combat this I had business cards made a couple of years ago with the name 
"Oklahoma Nature Photography", my name, address and phone number and the url to 
my website. Once I produce this card almost all become very friendly and want 
to talk about the wildlife they have on their property or surrounding area and 
many tell me where the good spots are on their property and invite me on their 
property to photograph wildlife. Over the years I still visit some of the 
better locations. Always stopping to ask permission first. The downside to this 
is that sometimes it takes a half hour or more of visiting before you can head 
off to photograph, but then again sitting inside under the air conditioner on a 
hot summer day drinking a glass of water or iced tea and visiting isn't a bad 
thing. 


Cheers,

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: okbirds [mailto:OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU] On Behalf Of Terry Mitchell
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 2:33 PM
To: OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU
Subject: Re: Downed nest and cops called

I've had Police, Sheriffs called on me several times. I never stop and even 
look a feeders in peoples yards because of it. I've also had many private 
citizens come and question me and I never stop near a resident, I always try to 
be friendly and open about what I'm doing but I've had a few that were pretty 
nasty toward me. To those few nasty people I tell them to go ahead and call the 
Police, I have never had law enforcement give me a hard time. I understand 
people's concerns so I'm very careful about what I do. I've come to the 
conclusion that I look like a crook as this happens to me all the time. Terry. 


-----Original Message-----
From: okbirds [mailto:OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU] On Behalf Of Bostian, Kelly
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 2:06 PM
To: OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU
Subject: Re: Downed nest and cops called

I got 'em Saturday and again on Sunday. They were really nice both times.
Sunday officer said she figured I was PI monitoring comings and goings in the 
'hood -- I'd never thought of that angle. 


Kelly Bostian
Outdoors Writer
Tulsa World Media Company
www.tulsaworld.com
office | 918 581 8357
mobile | 918 231 1385
fax | 918 581 8353
315 S. Boulder Ave., Tulsa, OK 74103
twitter |  AT kellybostian
blog |tulsaworld.com/KellyBostian
email | kelly.bostian AT tulsaworld.com
________________________________
From: okbirds [OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU] on behalf of Mark Cromwell 
[mark.cromwell01 AT GMAIL.COM] 

Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 1:56 PM
To: OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU
Subject: Re: [OKBIRDS] Downed nest and cops called



Yep. A Drummond, OK town Policeman stopped by my pickup one time to see what I 
was doing.Nearest house was 3/4 of a mile west of me. (now that I think about 
it, he was probably a Deputy Sheriff since I was 4 miles south and west of 
town). 





On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Bostian, Kelly 
> wrote: 

Anyone out there ever had the police called on them?
..and seriously folks, I really was not close to any particular home or I would 
have asked about setting up there. 

Any thoughts on nest repair? Didn't plan to get that involved but it seemed 
clear to me the 'kids' needed another day before they were ready to scoot. 
..first bird did fledge just about 25 hours later, the last one at 

28 hours.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/sports/outdoors/the-outdoors-don-t-call-th
e-cops-i-m-just/article_fc6f826c-8493-57a2-b190-de738a2e142b.html

Kelly Bostian
Outdoors Writer
Tulsa World Media Company
www.tulsaworld.com
office | 918 581 8357 mobile | 918 231 
1385 fax | 918 581 8353 

315 S. Boulder Ave., Tulsa, OK 74103
twitter |  AT kellybostian
blog
|tulsaworld.com/KellyBostian
email |
kelly.bostian AT tulsaworld.com>
Subject: Re: Downed nest and cops called
From: Terry Mitchell <terry AT PECOT.COM>
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 15:12:44 -0500
 Like I said I've never had Law Enforcement cause me any problems, I just
don't want to be hassled by paranoid private citizens which I have many
times.  When I go birding and taking photos my goal is to leave humanity
behind and have some peace,   Which is getting harder and harder to do
these days. Terry.

-----Original Message-----
From: okbirds [mailto:OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU] On Behalf Of Chad Ellis
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 3:02 PM
To: OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU
Subject: Re: Downed nest and cops called

Here is my take. As the law currently stands, if it is in view from the
street there is no expectation of privacy. My neighbors have threatened to
call the police on me for setting on my front porch with binoculars and my
camera. At this point if he came over yelling again I would tell him to go
ahead. We are within our rights to watch and photograph birds from any
public place including residential streets. For goodness sake Google has
already taken pics of every home in this country. My feeders are in my
from yard and I welcome others to watch them. If there is a feeder in
someone's yard, and I can see it from the street, I will watch it. If the
law is called I would handle it in much the same way the writer of the
article did. They are aware that the battles over the privacy of what can
bee seen from public property have already been fought and the
photographers have won.

Chad Ellis
Oklahoma City


On Jul 7, 2014, at 2:33 PM, Terry Mitchell  wrote:

> I've had Police, Sheriffs called on me several times. I never stop and
> even look a feeders in peoples yards because of it. I've also had many
> private citizens come and question me and I never stop near a
> resident, I always try to be friendly and open about what I'm doing
> but I've had a few that were pretty nasty toward me. To those few
> nasty people I tell them to go ahead and call the Police, I have never
> had law enforcement give me a hard time.  I understand people's
> concerns so I'm very careful about what I do. I've come to the
> conclusion that I look like a crook as this happens to me all the time.
Terry.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: okbirds [mailto:OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU] On Behalf Of Bostian,
> Kelly
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 2:06 PM
> To: OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU
> Subject: Re: Downed nest and cops called
>
> I got 'em Saturday and again on Sunday. They were really nice both
times.
> Sunday officer said she figured I was PI monitoring comings and goings
> in the 'hood -- I'd never thought of that angle.
>
> Kelly Bostian
> Outdoors Writer
> Tulsa World Media Company
> www.tulsaworld.com
> office | 918 581 8357
> mobile | 918 231 1385
> fax | 918 581 8353
> 315 S. Boulder Ave., Tulsa, OK 74103
> twitter |  AT kellybostian
> blog |tulsaworld.com/KellyBostian
> email | kelly.bostian AT tulsaworld.com
> ________________________________
> From: okbirds [OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU] on behalf of Mark Cromwell
> [mark.cromwell01 AT GMAIL.COM]
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 1:56 PM
> To: OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU
> Subject: Re: [OKBIRDS] Downed nest and cops called
>
>
>
> Yep. A Drummond, OK town Policeman stopped by my pickup one time to
> see what I was doing.Nearest house was 3/4 of a mile west of me. (now
> that I think about it, he was probably a Deputy Sheriff since I was 4
> miles south and west of town).
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Bostian, Kelly
> >
wrote:
> Anyone out there ever had the police called on them?
> ..and seriously folks, I really was not close to any particular home
> or I would have asked about setting up there.
> Any thoughts on nest repair? Didn't plan to get that involved but it
> seemed clear to me the 'kids' needed another day before they were
> ready to scoot. ..first bird did fledge just about 25 hours later, the
> last one at
> 28 hours.
>
> http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/sports/outdoors/the-outdoors-don-t-cal
> l-th e-cops-i-m-just/article_fc6f826c-8493-57a2-b190-de738a2e142b.html
>
> Kelly Bostian
> Outdoors Writer
> Tulsa World Media Company
> www.tulsaworld.com m/> office | 918 581 8357 mobile | 918 231
> 1385 fax | 918 581 8353
> 315 S. Boulder Ave., Tulsa, OK 74103
> twitter |  AT kellybostian
> blog
> |tulsaworld.com/KellyBostian |//ww
> w.tulsaworld.com/blog>
> email |
> kelly.bostian AT tulsaworld.com to:n ame AT tulsaworld.com>
>
Subject: Re: Downed nest and cops called
From: Chad Ellis <chad AT ELLISFAMILYOKC.COM>
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 15:01:39 -0500
Here is my take. As the law currently stands, if it is in view from the street 
there is no expectation of privacy. My neighbors have threatened to call the 
police on me for setting on my front porch with binoculars and my camera. At 
this point if he came over yelling again I would tell him to go ahead. We are 
within our rights to watch and photograph birds from any public place including 
residential streets. For goodness sake Google has already taken pics of every 
home in this country. My feeders are in my from yard and I welcome others to 
watch them. If there is a feeder in someone's yard, and I can see it from the 
street, I will watch it. If the law is called I would handle it in much the 
same way the writer of the article did. They are aware that the battles over 
the privacy of what can bee seen from public property have already been fought 
and the photographers have won. 


Chad Ellis
Oklahoma City


On Jul 7, 2014, at 2:33 PM, Terry Mitchell  wrote:

> I've had Police, Sheriffs called on me several times. I never stop and
> even look a feeders in peoples yards because of it. I've also had many
> private citizens come and question me and I never stop near a resident, I
> always try to be friendly and open about what I'm doing but I've had a few
> that were pretty nasty toward me. To those few nasty people I tell them to
> go ahead and call the Police, I have never had law enforcement give me a
> hard time.  I understand people's concerns so I'm very careful about what
> I do. I've come to the conclusion that I look like a crook as this happens
> to me all the time. Terry.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: okbirds [mailto:OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU] On Behalf Of Bostian, Kelly
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 2:06 PM
> To: OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU
> Subject: Re: Downed nest and cops called
> 
> I got 'em Saturday and again on Sunday. They were really nice both times.
> Sunday officer said she figured I was PI monitoring comings and goings in
> the 'hood -- I'd never thought of that angle.
> 
> Kelly Bostian
> Outdoors Writer
> Tulsa World Media Company
> www.tulsaworld.com
> office | 918 581 8357
> mobile | 918 231 1385
> fax | 918 581 8353
> 315 S. Boulder Ave., Tulsa, OK 74103
> twitter |  AT kellybostian
> blog |tulsaworld.com/KellyBostian
> email | kelly.bostian AT tulsaworld.com
> ________________________________
> From: okbirds [OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU] on behalf of Mark Cromwell
> [mark.cromwell01 AT GMAIL.COM]
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 1:56 PM
> To: OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU
> Subject: Re: [OKBIRDS] Downed nest and cops called
> 
> 
> 
> Yep. A Drummond, OK town Policeman stopped by my pickup one time to see
> what I was doing.Nearest house was 3/4 of a mile west of me. (now that I
> think about it, he was probably a Deputy Sheriff since I was 4 miles south
> and west of town).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Bostian, Kelly
> > wrote:
> Anyone out there ever had the police called on them?
> ..and seriously folks, I really was not close to any particular home or I
> would have asked about setting up there.
> Any thoughts on nest repair? Didn't plan to get that involved but it
> seemed clear to me the 'kids' needed another day before they were ready to
> scoot. ..first bird did fledge just about 25 hours later, the last one at
> 28 hours.
> 
> http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/sports/outdoors/the-outdoors-don-t-call-th
> e-cops-i-m-just/article_fc6f826c-8493-57a2-b190-de738a2e142b.html
> 
> Kelly Bostian
> Outdoors Writer
> Tulsa World Media Company
> www.tulsaworld.com
> office | 918 581 8357 mobile | 918 231
> 1385 fax | 918 581 8353
> 315 S. Boulder Ave., Tulsa, OK 74103
> twitter |  AT kellybostian
> blog
> |tulsaworld.com/KellyBostian w.tulsaworld.com/blog>
> email |
> kelly.bostian AT tulsaworld.com ame AT tulsaworld.com>
> 
Subject: Re: Downed nest and cops called
From: Terry Mitchell <terry AT PECOT.COM>
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 14:33:26 -0500
I've had Police, Sheriffs called on me several times. I never stop and
even look a feeders in peoples yards because of it. I've also had many
private citizens come and question me and I never stop near a resident, I
always try to be friendly and open about what I'm doing but I've had a few
that were pretty nasty toward me. To those few nasty people I tell them to
go ahead and call the Police, I have never had law enforcement give me a
hard time.  I understand people's concerns so I'm very careful about what
I do. I've come to the conclusion that I look like a crook as this happens
to me all the time. Terry.

-----Original Message-----
From: okbirds [mailto:OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU] On Behalf Of Bostian, Kelly
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 2:06 PM
To: OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU
Subject: Re: Downed nest and cops called

I got 'em Saturday and again on Sunday. They were really nice both times.
Sunday officer said she figured I was PI monitoring comings and goings in
the 'hood -- I'd never thought of that angle.

Kelly Bostian
Outdoors Writer
Tulsa World Media Company
www.tulsaworld.com
office | 918 581 8357
mobile | 918 231 1385
fax | 918 581 8353
315 S. Boulder Ave., Tulsa, OK 74103
twitter |  AT kellybostian
blog |tulsaworld.com/KellyBostian
email | kelly.bostian AT tulsaworld.com
________________________________
From: okbirds [OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU] on behalf of Mark Cromwell
[mark.cromwell01 AT GMAIL.COM]
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 1:56 PM
To: OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU
Subject: Re: [OKBIRDS] Downed nest and cops called



Yep. A Drummond, OK town Policeman stopped by my pickup one time to see
what I was doing.Nearest house was 3/4 of a mile west of me. (now that I
think about it, he was probably a Deputy Sheriff since I was 4 miles south
and west of town).




On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Bostian, Kelly
> wrote:
Anyone out there ever had the police called on them?
..and seriously folks, I really was not close to any particular home or I
would have asked about setting up there.
Any thoughts on nest repair? Didn't plan to get that involved but it
seemed clear to me the 'kids' needed another day before they were ready to
scoot. ..first bird did fledge just about 25 hours later, the last one at
28 hours.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/sports/outdoors/the-outdoors-don-t-call-th
e-cops-i-m-just/article_fc6f826c-8493-57a2-b190-de738a2e142b.html

Kelly Bostian
Outdoors Writer
Tulsa World Media Company
www.tulsaworld.com
office | 918 581 8357 mobile | 918 231
1385 fax | 918 581 8353
315 S. Boulder Ave., Tulsa, OK 74103
twitter |  AT kellybostian
blog
|tulsaworld.com/KellyBostian
email |
kelly.bostian AT tulsaworld.com>
Subject: Re: Downed nest and cops called
From: John Bates <johnc.bates AT SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 14:30:17 -0500
I have been in jail. I have been in many various jails in Oklahoma. I should 
like to express my approval of the cell in Stroud. My dad was arrested while 
watching a barn-owl. The policeman did but believe he was birdwatching. After 
searching the dead weeds, my father said my binoculars are on the trunk of my 
car. I have to say that I wish I might have been there at that moment. The 
expression would have been priceless. I was looking for an owl last month and 
my sister joined me. She replied, “Why do I feel as if I am doing something 
wrong by being here?” I responded, “Now you know what it is to be black.” 

Subject: Re: Downed nest and cops called
From: "Bostian, Kelly" <Kelly.Bostian AT TULSAWORLD.COM>
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 19:06:14 +0000
I got 'em Saturday and again on Sunday. They were really nice both times. 
Sunday officer said she figured I was PI monitoring comings and goings in the 
'hood -- I'd never thought of that angle. 


Kelly Bostian
Outdoors Writer
Tulsa World Media Company
www.tulsaworld.com
office | 918 581 8357
mobile | 918 231 1385
fax | 918 581 8353
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From: okbirds [OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU] on behalf of Mark Cromwell 
[mark.cromwell01 AT GMAIL.COM] 

Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 1:56 PM
To: OKBIRDS AT LISTS.OU.EDU
Subject: Re: [OKBIRDS] Downed nest and cops called



Yep. A Drummond, OK town Policeman stopped by my pickup one time to see what I 
was doing.Nearest house was 3/4 of a mile west of me. (now that I think about 
it, he was probably a Deputy Sheriff since I was 4 miles south and west of 
town). 





On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Bostian, Kelly 
> wrote: 

Anyone out there ever had the police called on them?
..and seriously folks, I really was not close to any particular home or I would 
have asked about setting up there. 

Any thoughts on nest repair? Didn't plan to get that involved but it seemed 
clear to me the 'kids' needed another day before they were ready to scoot. 
..first bird did fledge just about 25 hours later, the last one at 28 hours. 



http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/sports/outdoors/the-outdoors-don-t-call-the-cops-i-m-just/article_fc6f826c-8493-57a2-b190-de738a2e142b.html 


Kelly Bostian
Outdoors Writer
Tulsa World Media Company
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kelly.bostian AT tulsaworld.com> 

Subject: Re: Downed nest and cops called
From: Mark Cromwell <mark.cromwell01 AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 13:56:55 -0500
Yep. A Drummond, OK town Policeman stopped by my pickup one time to see
what I was doing.Nearest house was 3/4 of a mile west of me. (now that I
think about it, he was probably a Deputy Sheriff since I was 4 miles south
and west of town).




On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Bostian, Kelly  wrote:

> Anyone out there ever had the police called on them?
> ..and seriously folks, I really was not close to any particular home or I
> would have asked about setting up there.
> Any thoughts on nest repair? Didn't plan to get that involved but it
> seemed clear to me the 'kids' needed another day before they were ready to
> scoot. ..first bird did fledge just about 25 hours later, the last one at
> 28 hours.
>
>
> 
http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/sports/outdoors/the-outdoors-don-t-call-the-cops-i-m-just/article_fc6f826c-8493-57a2-b190-de738a2e142b.html 

>
> Kelly Bostian
> Outdoors Writer
> Tulsa World Media Company
> www.tulsaworld.com
> office | 918 581 8357
> mobile | 918 231 1385
> fax | 918 581 8353
> 315 S. Boulder Ave., Tulsa, OK 74103
> twitter |  AT kellybostian
> blog |tulsaworld.com/KellyBostian
> email | kelly.bostian AT tulsaworld.com
>