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Northern Potoo,©Jan Wilczur

2 Nov Final week of banding at Lake St. Clair Metropark, Michigan [Allen Chartier ]
21 Oct Re: Anna's Hummingbird -- Baraboo area [Rob Pendergast ]
21 Oct Re: Anna's Hummingbird -- Baraboo area [little_blue_birdie ]
15 Oct Metro Beach banding report - October 2-11, 2014 [Allen Chartier ]
15 Oct Re: [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US recordof Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis [IORI ]
14 Oct Re: [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US recordof Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis ["Thomas W Donnelly tdonelly AT binghamton.edu [TexOdes]" ]
14 Oct Re: [Odonata-l] [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US recordof Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis ["Thomas W Donnelly tdonelly AT binghamton.edu [NEodes]" ]
14 Oct Request for photos of Greater Prairie-Chickens [Allen Chartier ]
14 Oct Request for photos of Greater Prairie-Chickens [Allen Chartier ]
10 Oct Re: [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US recordof Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis [Dennis Paulson ]
10 Oct Re: [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US recordof Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis ["Dennis Paulson dennispaulson AT comcast.net [se-odonata]" ]
10 Oct Re: [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US recordof Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis ["Dennis Paulson dennispaulson AT comcast.net [TexOdes]" ]
10 Oct Re: [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US recordof Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis [Larry Little ]
10 Oct Re: [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US recordof Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis []
10 Oct Re: [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US recordof Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis [Dennis Paulson ]
10 Oct Re: [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US recordof Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis ["Dennis Paulson dennispaulson AT comcast.net [TexOdes]" ]
10 Oct Re: [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US recordof Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis ["Dennis Paulson dennispaulson AT comcast.net [se-odonata]" ]
10 Oct Re: [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US recordof Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis []
1 Oct Metro Beach banding report - September 18-27, 2014 [Allen Chartier ]
16 Sep Metro Beach banding report - September 4-13, 2014 [Allen Chartier ]
3 Sep Metro Beach banding report - August 20-30, 2014 [Allen Chartier ]
25 Aug Easy shorebirding at Sterling State Park [Allen Chartier ]
21 Aug Black-headed Gull - yes (8/21) [Paul cypher ]
19 Aug Fall banding begins at Metro Beach [Allen Chartier ]
6 Aug Migrating waterthrushes [Allen Chartier ]
23 Jul Re: Funds to curate Odonata at Penn State. ["Frederico A.A. Lencioni" ]
23 Jul Re: Funds to curate Odonata at Penn State. ["Frederico A.A. Lencioni" ]
23 Jul Re: Funds to curate Odonata at Penn State. [Andy Deans ]
23 Jul Re: Funds to curate Odonata at Penn State. [IORI ]
20 Jul Oldest Ruby-throated Hummingbird lives in Michigan [Allen Chartier ]
15 Jul Dickcissels at Sterling SP [Allen Chartier ]
6 Jul Fwd: [Mich-listers] Mowing the Fields at LSCMP [Allen Chartier ]
29 Jun New Ring-billed Gull nesting colony in Livonia? [Allen Chartier ]
1 Jun Re: King Rail - Belleville (Dane Co.) [Luc227 ]
18 May Metro Beach banding report - May 3-11, 2014 [Allen Chartier ]
18 May Macomb Co. NAMC data [Allen Chartier ]
12 May Macomb County NAMC data [Allen Chartier ]
9 May LOTS of hummingbird reports [Allen Chartier ]
6 May Macomb County NAMC [Allen Chartier ]
2 May Metro Beach banding report - April 23 & 27, 2014 [Allen Chartier ]
30 Apr Hummingbird arrivals update [Allen Chartier ]
30 Apr Hummingbird arrivals update [Allen Chartier ]
26 Apr Re: Alert: GARGANEY -- reported in Crex Meadows [Tom Prestby ]
25 Apr Flexing Pecs [Allen Chartier ]
22 Apr Metro Beach banding station report - April 17 & 19, 2014 [Allen Chartier ]
19 Apr Hummingbirds are coming! [Allen Chartier ]
19 Apr Hummingbirds are coming! [Allen Chartier ]
18 Apr Re: Marbled Godwit -- Ashton, Dane Co. [Nolan Pope ]
17 Apr Little Gull (gone?), Washtenaw, 17 Apr., 9;20am [Mike Sefton ]
26 Mar Announcing the Team eBird Michigan blog ["larus10 ." ]
14 Feb Re: Optics [Lynn Ott ]
17 Dec Re: Harlequin Ducks -- Rock River/Ft. Atkinson [Shawn Miller ]
2 Dec Fall 2013 banding summary - Metro Beach banding station, MI [Allen Chartier ]
26 Nov Additional access to Ann Arbor Rufous Hummingbird [Allen Chartier ]
26 Nov Additional access to Ann Arbor Rufous Hummingbird [Allen Chartier ]
27 Oct Re: Bolivian Snake ["Frederico A.A. Lencioni" ]
19 Oct Metro Beach banding station report - October 3-17, 2013 [Allen Chartier ]
5 Oct Re: [birders] Phalarope at Schneider Road pond []
5 Oct Re: [birders] Phalarope at Schneider Road pond [Chris Mccreedy ]
1 Oct Metro Beach banding station report - September 19-29, 2013 [Allen Chartier ]
18 Sep Metro Beach banding station report - September 4-15, 2013 [Allen Chartier ]
9 Sep Blog update - late summer hummingbirds [Allen Chartier ]
6 Aug Re: Whooping Crane - Lenawee Co. [james law ]
5 Aug Re: Whooping Crane - Lenawee Co. [zgwenithz ]
5 Aug Re: Whooping Crane - Lenawee Co. [Lathe Claflin ]
4 Aug Re: Whooping Crane - Lenawee Co. [Gregg Perez ]
23 Jul Blog update - hummingbirds and songbirds [Allen Chartier ]
21 Jul Blog update - hummingbirds and songbirds [Allen Chartier ]
21 Jul Blog update - hummingbirds and songbirds [Allen Chartier ]
22 Jun Spring hummingbird arrival map update [Allen Chartier ]
22 Jun Spring hummingbird arrival map update [Allen Chartier ]
21 Jun Announcement #4 ["Bruce M. Bowman" ]
21 Jun Announcement #4 ["Bruce M. Bowman" ]
21 Jun ADMIN - moving to GLIN - Announcement #3 ["Bruce M. Bowman" ]
21 Jun Carolina Wrens [Michael Parow ]
21 Jun Acadian fllycatcher [GreenStreet ]

Subject: Final week of banding at Lake St. Clair Metropark, Michigan
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 21:25:53 -0500
Birders and banders,

I have posted an update to my blog summarizing the pitiful highlights of
our final week of banding (one day open, one day canceled due to wind) as
well as a complete list of birds banded there on the 25 days of banding
this fall.

Go to: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/

Allen T. Chartier
Inkster, Michigan
Email: amazilia3 AT gmail.com
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mihummingbirdguy/collections/
Website: www.amazilia.net
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Subject: Re: Anna's Hummingbird -- Baraboo area
From: Rob Pendergast <acadiantigerheron AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 09:40:04 -0500
Chris West just told me to post that he just saw the bird moments ago.
Hopefully it will stick around a few more days!

Good Birding,

Rob Pendergast
Plover
Portage County

On Tuesday, October 21, 2014, Sunil Gopalan  wrote:

> Hello all --
> The homeowner is open to receiving visitors. Please backchannel me for the
> address.
>
> Thanks
>
> Sunil Gopalan - Madison/Dane Co.
>
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 7:23 PM, Sunil Gopalan  > wrote:
>
> > Hello --
> >
> > An Anna's Hummingbird was photographed in the Baraboo area today. The
> bird
> > has been hanging out there for the last couple of days - and the
> homeowner
> > took it for a late Ruby-throated.
> >
> > Will update on visitors when possible.
> >
> > Here are the homeowners photos:
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/noc9c4mc2cpar3x/annas2.jpg?dl=0
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/5485yv4dff1ukn8/annas.jpg?dl=0
> >
> >
> > Sunil Gopalan - Madison/Dane Co.
> >
>
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Subject: Re: Anna's Hummingbird -- Baraboo area
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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 09:21:21 -0500
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Subject: Metro Beach banding report - October 2-11, 2014
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:01:10 -0400
Birders and Banders,

I have just posted a summary of 4 banding days at Lake St. Clair Metropark,
Macomb County, Michigan from the first half of October. As always, photo
highlights and banding totals are included.

Go to: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/

Allen T. Chartier
Inkster, Michigan
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Subject: Re: [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US recordof Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis
From: IORI <iodonata AT bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:33:00 -0400
No there is only one version of the 3rd edition of DFNA.

 

Bill Mauffray

International Odonata Research Institute

4525 NW 53RD LN

Gainesville FL 32653

352-219-3141 cell

  iodonata AT gmail.com

  http://www.iodonata.net

 

From: odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu
[mailto:odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu] On Behalf Of Larry Little
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 7:37 PM
To: jdaigle AT nettally.com
Cc: Ethan Bright; se-odonata AT yahoogroups.com; Odonata-l list Server;
texodes AT yahoogroups.com; Marion Dobbs; se-odonata-owner AT yahoogroups.com;
NEOdes
Subject: Re: [Odonata-l] [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US
recordof Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis

 

I see no reference to Phyllogomphoides pacificus or to "West Mexican
Leaftail" in my third edition.  Are there, indeed, two versions in the wind?

 

 

On Oct 10, 2014, at 1:25 PM, jdaigle AT nettally.com wrote:





Aloha, Compadres!

 

My Phyllogomphoides pacificus look like the specimen in the photo, even to
the yellowish tinge on the thoracic stripes.  Are we 100% positive on the
ID?  I think we need voucher specimens to be sure.  Talk to me later,
everyone!

 

Aloha nui!

Jerrell

 

From:   Ethan Bright

Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:29 PM

To:   'Marion Dobbs' ;
 se-odonata-owner AT yahoogroups.com

Cc:   'NEOdes' ;
 texodes AT yahoogroups.com ;
 se-odonata AT yahoogroups.com ;
 'Odonata-l list Server'

Subject: Re: [Odonata-l] [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US
recordof Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis

 

Which is why the scientific name makes more sense in communication:
stability across all languages, and gives an indication of its phylogenetic
placement.

 

From:  
odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu [

mailto:odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu] On Behalf Of Marion Dobbs
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:24 PM
To:  
se-odonata-owner AT yahoogroups.com
Cc:   texodes AT yahoogroups.com; NEOdes;
 se-odonata AT yahoogroups.com List;
Odonata-l list Server
Subject: Re: [Odonata-l] [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US record
of Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis

 

My third edition also uses Clear-faced Leaftail, mentioning in the
description that it is similar in appearance toP. suasas but can be
distinguished from it in the field by its pale costa and "mostly pale
labrum." Perhaps that's the basis for this common name.

 

Marion Dobbs

Rome (Floyd Co.) GA

ecurlew AT   mac.com

  http://www.mamomi.net

  http://mariondobbs.smugmug.com

 

On Oct 10, 2014, at 11:57 AM, Chris Hill  
chill AT coastal.edu [se-odonata] < 
se-odonata-noreply AT yahoogroups.com> wrote:






Curiouser and curiouser - my third edition, like Ed's, has Clear-faced
Leaftail for Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis Belle.  Apparently there was more
than one version of the Third Edition (Green Cover) in circulation?

 

Chris

 

 

On Oct 10, 2014, at 11:23 AM, Dennis Paulson
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 TexOdes-noreply AT yahoogroups.com>
wrote:






 

This is a second sending. There seems to be no problem, as the Third Edition
of Needham, Westfall & May in fact uses West Mexican Leaftail for this
species! Did you have a manuscript copy of that book before it was
published, Ed?

 

Dennis

 

 

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Coastal Carolina University

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Subject: Re: [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US recordof Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis
From: "Thomas W Donnelly tdonelly AT binghamton.edu [TexOdes]" <TexOdes-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 21:11:41 -0400
OK, you have figured out that it is NOT luisi or danieli.  I often ponder
what would have happened what would have happened if I had not netted
Gomphus apomyius.  I could have made a good case for a range extension of
G. parvidens from a photo.

The problem here is that there are several little known Phyllogomphoides in
Pacific-slope Mexico.  Maybe there is one more - but we'll never know.

Net the damn thing.

Nick Donnelly

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 8:08 PM, Dennis Paulson dennispaulson AT comcast.net
[TexOdes]  wrote:

>
>
> Larry, the list at the beginning of the dragonfly manual has West Mexican
> Leaftail as the common name of *Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis*. Elsewhere
> in the book, Clear-faced is used for that species but in error; the change
> was made last-minute, and author and editor missed that it had to be
> changed in several places.
>
> Recent records of several species from the northernmost Mexican states
> were not known to Mike May at the time of producing the third edition so
> didn’t make it into the book. *P. pacificus* and *P. apiculatus* are two
> of those species. A fine book on the Odonata of Arizona and Sonora that
> will include these species is in press, and we are all looking forward to
> its publication.
>
> Dennis Paulson
>
>
> On Oct 10, 2014, at 4:36 PM, Larry Little  wrote:
>
> I see no reference to *Phyllogomphoides pacificus *or to “West Mexican
> Leaftail” in my third edition. Are there, indeed, two versions in the wind? 

>
>
> On Oct 10, 2014, at 1:25 PM, jdaigle AT nettally.com wrote:
>
> Aloha, Compadres!
>
> My *Phyllogomphoides pacificus* look like the specimen in the photo, even
> to the yellowish tinge on the thoracic stripes.  Are we 100% positive on
> the ID?  I think we need voucher specimens to be sure.  Talk to me later,
> everyone!
>
> Aloha nui!
> Jerrell
>
> *From:* Ethan Bright 
> *Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2014 12:29 PM
> *To:* 'Marion Dobbs'  ; se-odonata-owner AT yahoogroups.com
> *Cc:* 'NEOdes'  ; texodes AT yahoogroups.com ;
> se-odonata AT yahoogroups.com ; 'Odonata-l list Server'
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [Odonata-l] [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US
> recordof Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis
>
> Which is why the scientific name makes more sense in communication:
> stability across all languages, and gives an indication of its phylogenetic
> placement.
>
> *From:* odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu [
> mailto:odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu
> ] *On Behalf Of *Marion Dobbs
> *Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2014 12:24 PM
> *To:* se-odonata-owner AT yahoogroups.com
> *Cc:* texodes AT yahoogroups.com; NEOdes; se-odonata AT yahoogroups.com List;
> Odonata-l list Server
> *Subject:* Re: [Odonata-l] [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US
> record of Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis
>
> My third edition also uses Clear-faced Leaftail, mentioning in the
> description that it is similar in appearance to*P. suasas* but can be
> distinguished from it in the field by its pale costa and "mostly pale
> labrum." Perhaps that's the basis for this common name.
>
> Marion Dobbs
> Rome (Floyd Co.) GA
> ecurlew AT mac.com
> http://www.mamomi.net
> http://mariondobbs.smugmug.com
>
> On Oct 10, 2014, at 11:57 AM, Chris Hill chill AT coastal.edu [se-odonata] <
> se-odonata-noreply AT yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> Curiouser and curiouser - my third edition, like Ed’s, has Clear-faced
> Leaftail for Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis Belle.  Apparently there was
> more than one version of the Third Edition (Green Cover) in circulation?
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Oct 10, 2014, at 11:23 AM, Dennis Paulson dennispaulson AT comcast.net 
[TexOdes] 

>  wrote:
>
>
>
> This is a second sending. There seems to be no problem, as the Third
> Edition of Needham, Westfall & May in fact uses West Mexican Leaftail for
> this species! Did you have a manuscript copy of that book before it was
> published, Ed?
>
> Dennis
>
>
>
> ************************************************************************
> Christopher E. Hill
> Biology Department
> Coastal Carolina University
> Conway, SC 29528-1954
> 843-349-2567
> chill AT coastal.edu
> http://ww2.coastal.edu/chill/chill.htm
>
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Subject: Re: [Odonata-l] [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US recordof Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis
From: "Thomas W Donnelly tdonelly AT binghamton.edu [NEodes]" <NEodes-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 21:11:41 -0400
OK, you have figured out that it is NOT luisi or danieli.  I often ponder
what would have happened what would have happened if I had not netted
Gomphus apomyius.  I could have made a good case for a range extension of
G. parvidens from a photo.

The problem here is that there are several little known Phyllogomphoides in
Pacific-slope Mexico.  Maybe there is one more - but we'll never know.

Net the damn thing.

Nick Donnelly

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 8:08 PM, Dennis Paulson dennispaulson AT comcast.net
[TexOdes]  wrote:

>
>
> Larry, the list at the beginning of the dragonfly manual has West Mexican
> Leaftail as the common name of *Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis*. Elsewhere
> in the book, Clear-faced is used for that species but in error; the change
> was made last-minute, and author and editor missed that it had to be
> changed in several places.
>
> Recent records of several species from the northernmost Mexican states
> were not known to Mike May at the time of producing the third edition so
> didn’t make it into the book. *P. pacificus* and *P. apiculatus* are two
> of those species. A fine book on the Odonata of Arizona and Sonora that
> will include these species is in press, and we are all looking forward to
> its publication.
>
> Dennis Paulson
>
>
> On Oct 10, 2014, at 4:36 PM, Larry Little  wrote:
>
> I see no reference to *Phyllogomphoides pacificus *or to “West Mexican
> Leaftail” in my third edition. Are there, indeed, two versions in the wind? 

>
>
> On Oct 10, 2014, at 1:25 PM, jdaigle AT nettally.com wrote:
>
> Aloha, Compadres!
>
> My *Phyllogomphoides pacificus* look like the specimen in the photo, even
> to the yellowish tinge on the thoracic stripes.  Are we 100% positive on
> the ID?  I think we need voucher specimens to be sure.  Talk to me later,
> everyone!
>
> Aloha nui!
> Jerrell
>
> *From:* Ethan Bright 
> *Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2014 12:29 PM
> *To:* 'Marion Dobbs'  ; se-odonata-owner AT yahoogroups.com
> *Cc:* 'NEOdes'  ; texodes AT yahoogroups.com ;
> se-odonata AT yahoogroups.com ; 'Odonata-l list Server'
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [Odonata-l] [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US
> recordof Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis
>
> Which is why the scientific name makes more sense in communication:
> stability across all languages, and gives an indication of its phylogenetic
> placement.
>
> *From:* odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu [
> mailto:odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu
> ] *On Behalf Of *Marion Dobbs
> *Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2014 12:24 PM
> *To:* se-odonata-owner AT yahoogroups.com
> *Cc:* texodes AT yahoogroups.com; NEOdes; se-odonata AT yahoogroups.com List;
> Odonata-l list Server
> *Subject:* Re: [Odonata-l] [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US
> record of Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis
>
> My third edition also uses Clear-faced Leaftail, mentioning in the
> description that it is similar in appearance to*P. suasas* but can be
> distinguished from it in the field by its pale costa and "mostly pale
> labrum." Perhaps that's the basis for this common name.
>
> Marion Dobbs
> Rome (Floyd Co.) GA
> ecurlew AT mac.com
> http://www.mamomi.net
> http://mariondobbs.smugmug.com
>
> On Oct 10, 2014, at 11:57 AM, Chris Hill chill AT coastal.edu [se-odonata] <
> se-odonata-noreply AT yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> Curiouser and curiouser - my third edition, like Ed’s, has Clear-faced
> Leaftail for Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis Belle.  Apparently there was
> more than one version of the Third Edition (Green Cover) in circulation?
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Oct 10, 2014, at 11:23 AM, Dennis Paulson dennispaulson AT comcast.net 
[TexOdes] 

>  wrote:
>
>
>
> This is a second sending. There seems to be no problem, as the Third
> Edition of Needham, Westfall & May in fact uses West Mexican Leaftail for
> this species! Did you have a manuscript copy of that book before it was
> published, Ed?
>
> Dennis
>
>
>
> ************************************************************************
> Christopher E. Hill
> Biology Department
> Coastal Carolina University
> Conway, SC 29528-1954
> 843-349-2567
> chill AT coastal.edu
> http://ww2.coastal.edu/chill/chill.htm
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Subject: Request for photos of Greater Prairie-Chickens
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 17:14:20 -0400
Birders,

The editors of Michigan Birds and Natural History are working on an article
on Greater Prairie-Chickens in Michigan, and were hoping to obtain photos
of the species actually taken in the state. Of course, since the species
was extirpated from Michigan in about 1981, these would only be slides or
prints. But perhaps someone on this list knows someone who photographed
Greater Prairie-Chickens in the state? Please let me know.

Thanks!

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Subject: Request for photos of Greater Prairie-Chickens
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 17:14:20 -0400
Birders,

The editors of Michigan Birds and Natural History are working on an article
on Greater Prairie-Chickens in Michigan, and were hoping to obtain photos
of the species actually taken in the state. Of course, since the species
was extirpated from Michigan in about 1981, these would only be slides or
prints. But perhaps someone on this list knows someone who photographed
Greater Prairie-Chickens in the state? Please let me know.

Thanks!

Allen T. Chartier
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Subject: Re: [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US recordof Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis
From: Dennis Paulson <dennispaulson AT comcast.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 17:08:29 -0700
Larry, the list at the beginning of the dragonfly manual has West Mexican 
Leaftail as the common name of Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis. Elsewhere in the 
book, Clear-faced is used for that species but in error; the change was made 
last-minute, and author and editor missed that it had to be changed in several 
places. 


Recent records of several species from the northernmost Mexican states were not 
known to Mike May at the time of producing the third edition so didnt make it 
into the book. P. pacificus and P. apiculatus are two of those species. A fine 
book on the Odonata of Arizona and Sonora that will include these species is in 
press, and we are all looking forward to its publication. 


Dennis Paulson


On Oct 10, 2014, at 4:36 PM, Larry Little  wrote:

> I see no reference to Phyllogomphoides pacificus or to West Mexican 
Leaftail in my third edition. Are there, indeed, two versions in the wind? 

> 
> 
> On Oct 10, 2014, at 1:25 PM, jdaigle AT nettally.com wrote:
> 
>> Aloha, Compadres!
>>  
>> My Phyllogomphoides pacificus look like the specimen in the photo, even to 
the yellowish tinge on the thoracic stripes. Are we 100% positive on the ID? I 
think we need voucher specimens to be sure. Talk to me later, everyone! 

>>  
>> Aloha nui!
>> Jerrell
>>  
>> From: Ethan Bright
>> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:29 PM
>> To: 'Marion Dobbs' ; se-odonata-owner AT yahoogroups.com
>> Cc: 'NEOdes' ; texodes AT yahoogroups.com ; se-odonata AT yahoogroups.com ; 
'Odonata-l list Server' 

>> Subject: Re: [Odonata-l] [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US 
recordof Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis 

>>  
>> Which is why the scientific name makes more sense in communication: 
stability across all languages, and gives an indication of its phylogenetic 
placement. 

>>  
>> From: odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu 
[mailto:odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu] On Behalf Of Marion Dobbs 

>> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:24 PM
>> To: se-odonata-owner AT yahoogroups.com
>> Cc: texodes AT yahoogroups.com; NEOdes; se-odonata AT yahoogroups.com List; 
Odonata-l list Server 

>> Subject: Re: [Odonata-l] [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US record 
of Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis 

>>  
>> My third edition also uses Clear-faced Leaftail, mentioning in the 
description that it is similar in appearance toP. suasas but can be 
distinguished from it in the field by its pale costa and "mostly pale labrum." 
Perhaps that's the basis for this common name. 

>>  
>> Marion Dobbs
>> Rome (Floyd Co.) GA
>> ecurlew AT mac.com
>> http://www.mamomi.net
>> http://mariondobbs.smugmug.com
>>  
>> On Oct 10, 2014, at 11:57 AM, Chris Hill chill AT coastal.edu [se-odonata] 
 wrote: 

>> 
>> 
>> Curiouser and curiouser - my third edition, like Eds, has Clear-faced 
Leaftail for Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis Belle. Apparently there was more 
than one version of the Third Edition (Green Cover) in circulation? 

>> 
>>  
>> Chris
>>  
>>  
>> On Oct 10, 2014, at 11:23 AM, Dennis Paulson dennispaulson AT comcast.net 
[TexOdes]  wrote: 

>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> This is a second sending. There seems to be no problem, as the Third Edition 
of Needham, Westfall & May in fact uses West Mexican Leaftail for this species! 
Did you have a manuscript copy of that book before it was published, Ed? 

>>  
>> Dennis
>>  
>>  
>> ************************************************************************
>> Christopher E. Hill
>> Biology Department
>> Coastal Carolina University
>> Conway, SC 29528-1954
>> 843-349-2567
>> chill AT coastal.edu
>> http://ww2.coastal.edu/chill/chill.htm
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> __._,_.___
>> Posted by: Chris Hill 
>> Reply via web post
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Subject: Re: [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US recordof Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis
From: "Dennis Paulson dennispaulson AT comcast.net [se-odonata]" <se-odonata-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 17:08:29 -0700
Larry, the list at the beginning of the dragonfly manual has West Mexican 
Leaftail as the common name of Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis. Elsewhere in the 
book, Clear-faced is used for that species but in error; the change was made 
last-minute, and author and editor missed that it had to be changed in several 
places. 


Recent records of several species from the northernmost Mexican states were not 
known to Mike May at the time of producing the third edition so didnt make it 
into the book. P. pacificus and P. apiculatus are two of those species. A fine 
book on the Odonata of Arizona and Sonora that will include these species is in 
press, and we are all looking forward to its publication. 


Dennis Paulson


On Oct 10, 2014, at 4:36 PM, Larry Little  wrote:

> I see no reference to Phyllogomphoides pacificus or to West Mexican 
Leaftail in my third edition. Are there, indeed, two versions in the wind? 

> 
> 
> On Oct 10, 2014, at 1:25 PM, jdaigle AT nettally.com wrote:
> 
>> Aloha, Compadres!
>>  
>> My Phyllogomphoides pacificus look like the specimen in the photo, even to 
the yellowish tinge on the thoracic stripes. Are we 100% positive on the ID? I 
think we need voucher specimens to be sure. Talk to me later, everyone! 

>>  
>> Aloha nui!
>> Jerrell
>>  
>> From: Ethan Bright
>> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:29 PM
>> To: 'Marion Dobbs' ; se-odonata-owner AT yahoogroups.com
>> Cc: 'NEOdes' ; texodes AT yahoogroups.com ; se-odonata AT yahoogroups.com ; 
'Odonata-l list Server' 

>> Subject: Re: [Odonata-l] [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US 
recordof Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis 

>>  
>> Which is why the scientific name makes more sense in communication: 
stability across all languages, and gives an indication of its phylogenetic 
placement. 

>>  
>> From: odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu 
[mailto:odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu] On Behalf Of Marion Dobbs 

>> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:24 PM
>> To: se-odonata-owner AT yahoogroups.com
>> Cc: texodes AT yahoogroups.com; NEOdes; se-odonata AT yahoogroups.com List; 
Odonata-l list Server 

>> Subject: Re: [Odonata-l] [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US record 
of Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis 

>>  
>> My third edition also uses Clear-faced Leaftail, mentioning in the 
description that it is similar in appearance toP. suasas but can be 
distinguished from it in the field by its pale costa and "mostly pale labrum." 
Perhaps that's the basis for this common name. 

>>  
>> Marion Dobbs
>> Rome (Floyd Co.) GA
>> ecurlew AT mac.com
>> http://www.mamomi.net
>> http://mariondobbs.smugmug.com
>>  
>> On Oct 10, 2014, at 11:57 AM, Chris Hill chill AT coastal.edu [se-odonata] 
 wrote: 

>> 
>> 
>> Curiouser and curiouser - my third edition, like Eds, has Clear-faced 
Leaftail for Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis Belle. Apparently there was more 
than one version of the Third Edition (Green Cover) in circulation? 

>> 
>>  
>> Chris
>>  
>>  
>> On Oct 10, 2014, at 11:23 AM, Dennis Paulson dennispaulson AT comcast.net 
[TexOdes]  wrote: 

>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> This is a second sending. There seems to be no problem, as the Third Edition 
of Needham, Westfall & May in fact uses West Mexican Leaftail for this species! 
Did you have a manuscript copy of that book before it was published, Ed? 

>>  
>> Dennis
>>  
>>  
>> ************************************************************************
>> Christopher E. Hill
>> Biology Department
>> Coastal Carolina University
>> Conway, SC 29528-1954
>> 843-349-2567
>> chill AT coastal.edu
>> http://ww2.coastal.edu/chill/chill.htm
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> 
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Subject: Re: [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US recordof Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis
From: "Dennis Paulson dennispaulson AT comcast.net [TexOdes]" <TexOdes-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 17:08:29 -0700
Larry, the list at the beginning of the dragonfly manual has West Mexican 
Leaftail as the common name of Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis. Elsewhere in the 
book, Clear-faced is used for that species but in error; the change was made 
last-minute, and author and editor missed that it had to be changed in several 
places. 


Recent records of several species from the northernmost Mexican states were not 
known to Mike May at the time of producing the third edition so didnt make it 
into the book. P. pacificus and P. apiculatus are two of those species. A fine 
book on the Odonata of Arizona and Sonora that will include these species is in 
press, and we are all looking forward to its publication. 


Dennis Paulson


On Oct 10, 2014, at 4:36 PM, Larry Little  wrote:

> I see no reference to Phyllogomphoides pacificus or to West Mexican 
Leaftail in my third edition. Are there, indeed, two versions in the wind? 

> 
> 
> On Oct 10, 2014, at 1:25 PM, jdaigle AT nettally.com wrote:
> 
>> Aloha, Compadres!
>>  
>> My Phyllogomphoides pacificus look like the specimen in the photo, even to 
the yellowish tinge on the thoracic stripes. Are we 100% positive on the ID? I 
think we need voucher specimens to be sure. Talk to me later, everyone! 

>>  
>> Aloha nui!
>> Jerrell
>>  
>> From: Ethan Bright
>> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:29 PM
>> To: 'Marion Dobbs' ; se-odonata-owner AT yahoogroups.com
>> Cc: 'NEOdes' ; texodes AT yahoogroups.com ; se-odonata AT yahoogroups.com ; 
'Odonata-l list Server' 

>> Subject: Re: [Odonata-l] [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US 
recordof Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis 

>>  
>> Which is why the scientific name makes more sense in communication: 
stability across all languages, and gives an indication of its phylogenetic 
placement. 

>>  
>> From: odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu 
[mailto:odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu] On Behalf Of Marion Dobbs 

>> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:24 PM
>> To: se-odonata-owner AT yahoogroups.com
>> Cc: texodes AT yahoogroups.com; NEOdes; se-odonata AT yahoogroups.com List; 
Odonata-l list Server 

>> Subject: Re: [Odonata-l] [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US record 
of Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis 

>>  
>> My third edition also uses Clear-faced Leaftail, mentioning in the 
description that it is similar in appearance toP. suasas but can be 
distinguished from it in the field by its pale costa and "mostly pale labrum." 
Perhaps that's the basis for this common name. 

>>  
>> Marion Dobbs
>> Rome (Floyd Co.) GA
>> ecurlew AT mac.com
>> http://www.mamomi.net
>> http://mariondobbs.smugmug.com
>>  
>> On Oct 10, 2014, at 11:57 AM, Chris Hill chill AT coastal.edu [se-odonata] 
 wrote: 

>> 
>> 
>> Curiouser and curiouser - my third edition, like Eds, has Clear-faced 
Leaftail for Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis Belle. Apparently there was more 
than one version of the Third Edition (Green Cover) in circulation? 

>> 
>>  
>> Chris
>>  
>>  
>> On Oct 10, 2014, at 11:23 AM, Dennis Paulson dennispaulson AT comcast.net 
[TexOdes]  wrote: 

>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> This is a second sending. There seems to be no problem, as the Third Edition 
of Needham, Westfall & May in fact uses West Mexican Leaftail for this species! 
Did you have a manuscript copy of that book before it was published, Ed? 

>>  
>> Dennis
>>  
>>  
>> ************************************************************************
>> Christopher E. Hill
>> Biology Department
>> Coastal Carolina University
>> Conway, SC 29528-1954
>> 843-349-2567
>> chill AT coastal.edu
>> http://ww2.coastal.edu/chill/chill.htm
>>  
>>  
>>  
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Subject: Re: [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US recordof Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis
From: Larry Little <jcoyote AT comcast.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 16:36:53 -0700
I see no reference to Phyllogomphoides pacificus or to West Mexican Leaftail 
in my third edition. Are there, indeed, two versions in the wind? 



On Oct 10, 2014, at 1:25 PM, jdaigle AT nettally.com wrote:

> Aloha, Compadres!
>  
> My Phyllogomphoides pacificus look like the specimen in the photo, even to 
the yellowish tinge on the thoracic stripes. Are we 100% positive on the ID? I 
think we need voucher specimens to be sure. Talk to me later, everyone! 

>  
> Aloha nui!
> Jerrell
>  
> From: Ethan Bright
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:29 PM
> To: 'Marion Dobbs' ; se-odonata-owner AT yahoogroups.com
> Cc: 'NEOdes' ; texodes AT yahoogroups.com ; se-odonata AT yahoogroups.com ; 
'Odonata-l list Server' 

> Subject: Re: [Odonata-l] [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US recordof 
Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis 

>  
> Which is why the scientific name makes more sense in communication: stability 
across all languages, and gives an indication of its phylogenetic placement. 

>  
> From: odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu 
[mailto:odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu] On Behalf Of Marion Dobbs 

> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:24 PM
> To: se-odonata-owner AT yahoogroups.com
> Cc: texodes AT yahoogroups.com; NEOdes; se-odonata AT yahoogroups.com List; 
Odonata-l list Server 

> Subject: Re: [Odonata-l] [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US record 
of Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis 

>  
> My third edition also uses Clear-faced Leaftail, mentioning in the 
description that it is similar in appearance toP. suasas but can be 
distinguished from it in the field by its pale costa and "mostly pale labrum." 
Perhaps that's the basis for this common name. 

>  
> Marion Dobbs
> Rome (Floyd Co.) GA
> ecurlew AT mac.com
> http://www.mamomi.net
> http://mariondobbs.smugmug.com
>  
> On Oct 10, 2014, at 11:57 AM, Chris Hill chill AT coastal.edu [se-odonata] 
 wrote: 

> 
> 
> Curiouser and curiouser - my third edition, like Eds, has Clear-faced 
Leaftail for Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis Belle. Apparently there was more 
than one version of the Third Edition (Green Cover) in circulation? 

> 
>  
> Chris
>  
>  
> On Oct 10, 2014, at 11:23 AM, Dennis Paulson dennispaulson AT comcast.net 
[TexOdes]  wrote: 

> 
> 
>  
> 
> This is a second sending. There seems to be no problem, as the Third Edition 
of Needham, Westfall & May in fact uses West Mexican Leaftail for this species! 
Did you have a manuscript copy of that book before it was published, Ed? 

>  
> Dennis
>  
>  
> ************************************************************************
> Christopher E. Hill
> Biology Department
> Coastal Carolina University
> Conway, SC 29528-1954
> 843-349-2567
> chill AT coastal.edu
> http://ww2.coastal.edu/chill/chill.htm
>  
>  
>  
> 
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Subject: Re: [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US recordof Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis
From: <jdaigle AT nettally.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 18:43:19 -0400
Aloha, Dennis!

I do not have P. nayaritensis in my collection, so I could be wrong about the 
IDs. So, I will defer to you on this. I really wish we have some voucher 
specimens as hard evidence. Talk to me later, Dennis! 


Aloha nui!
Jerrell



From: Dennis Paulson 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 5:36 PM
To: Jerrell Daigle 
Cc: Ethan Bright ; Marion Dobbs ; se-odonata-owner AT yahoogroups.com ; NEOdes ; 
texodes AT yahoogroups.com ; se-odonata AT yahoogroups.com ; Odonata-l 

Subject: Re: [Odonata-l] [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US recordof 
Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis 


Jerrell, from comparing the photo directly with not only photos but also 
specimens in my collection, I would say the photo matches nayaritensis 
perfectly and is not pacificus, which has a distinctly different thoracic 
pattern, ivory white instead of yellowish thoracic stripes in life, and, 
perhaps more important, the photo shows no trace of the downward-projecting 
hamule characteristic of pacificus. These characteristics are based on 
differences between the two species (and the co-occurring P. apiculatus) in 
Sonora, as there are some differences in color pattern in pacificus farther 
south. 


Im not big on tropical gomphid records being based on photos only, as they are 
indeed hard to distinguish, as Jerrell points out, but I think all the evidence 
points to the New Mexico individual being this species. There is every chance 
that individual was an isolated vagrant, in which case we will never get a 
specimen. If a specimen is forthcoming, that will be great. 


Dennis Paulson
Seattle, WA  

On Oct 10, 2014, at 1:25 PM,   
wrote: 



  Aloha, Compadres!

 My Phyllogomphoides pacificus look like the specimen in the photo, even to the 
yellowish tinge on the thoracic stripes. Are we 100% positive on the ID? I 
think we need voucher specimens to be sure. Talk to me later, everyone! 


  Aloha nui!
  Jerrell

  From: Ethan Bright
  Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:29 PM
  To: 'Marion Dobbs' ; se-odonata-owner AT yahoogroups.com
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 Which is why the scientific name makes more sense in communication: stability 
across all languages, and gives an indication of its phylogenetic placement. 

   
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[mailto:odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu] On Behalf Of Marion Dobbs 

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 My third edition also uses Clear-faced Leaftail, mentioning in the description 
that it is similar in appearance to P. suasas but can be distinguished from it 
in the field by its pale costa and "mostly pale labrum." Perhaps that's the 
basis for this common name. 

   
  Marion Dobbs
  Rome (Floyd Co.) GA
  ecurlew AT mac.com
  http://www.mamomi.net
  http://mariondobbs.smugmug.com
   
 On Oct 10, 2014, at 11:57 AM, Chris Hill chill AT coastal.edu [se-odonata] 
 wrote: 




 Curiouser and curiouser - my third edition, like Eds, has Clear-faced 
Leaftail for Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis Belle. Apparently there was more 
than one version of the Third Edition (Green Cover) in circulation? 


     
    Chris
     
     
 On Oct 10, 2014, at 11:23 AM, Dennis Paulson dennispaulson AT comcast.net 
[TexOdes]  wrote: 




       

 This is a second sending. There seems to be no problem, as the Third Edition 
of Needham, Westfall & May in fact uses West Mexican Leaftail for this species! 
Did you have a manuscript copy of that book before it was published, Ed? 

       
      Dennis
       
     
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Subject: Re: [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US recordof Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis
From: Dennis Paulson <dennispaulson AT comcast.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 14:36:07 -0700
Jerrell, from comparing the photo directly with not only photos but also 
specimens in my collection, I would say the photo matches nayaritensis 
perfectly and is not pacificus, which has a distinctly different thoracic 
pattern, ivory white instead of yellowish thoracic stripes in life, and, 
perhaps more important, the photo shows no trace of the downward-projecting 
hamule characteristic of pacificus. These characteristics are based on 
differences between the two species (and the co-occurring P. apiculatus) in 
Sonora, as there are some differences in color pattern in pacificus farther 
south. 


Im not big on tropical gomphid records being based on photos only, as they are 
indeed hard to distinguish, as Jerrell points out, but I think all the evidence 
points to the New Mexico individual being this species. There is every chance 
that individual was an isolated vagrant, in which case we will never get a 
specimen. If a specimen is forthcoming, that will be great. 


Dennis Paulson
Seattle, WA 

On Oct 10, 2014, at 1:25 PM,   
wrote: 


> Aloha, Compadres!
>  
> My Phyllogomphoides pacificus look like the specimen in the photo, even to 
the yellowish tinge on the thoracic stripes. Are we 100% positive on the ID? I 
think we need voucher specimens to be sure. Talk to me later, everyone! 

>  
> Aloha nui!
> Jerrell
>  
> From: Ethan Bright
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:29 PM
> To: 'Marion Dobbs' ; se-odonata-owner AT yahoogroups.com
> Cc: 'NEOdes' ; texodes AT yahoogroups.com ; se-odonata AT yahoogroups.com ; 
'Odonata-l list Server' 

> Subject: Re: [Odonata-l] [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US recordof 
Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis 

>  
> Which is why the scientific name makes more sense in communication: stability 
across all languages, and gives an indication of its phylogenetic placement. 

>  
> From: odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu 
[mailto:odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu] On Behalf Of Marion Dobbs 

> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:24 PM
> To: se-odonata-owner AT yahoogroups.com
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> Subject: Re: [Odonata-l] [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US record 
of Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis 

>  
> My third edition also uses Clear-faced Leaftail, mentioning in the 
description that it is similar in appearance to P. suasas but can be 
distinguished from it in the field by its pale costa and "mostly pale labrum." 
Perhaps that's the basis for this common name. 

>  
> Marion Dobbs
> Rome (Floyd Co.) GA
> ecurlew AT mac.com
> http://www.mamomi.net
> http://mariondobbs.smugmug.com
>  
> On Oct 10, 2014, at 11:57 AM, Chris Hill chill AT coastal.edu [se-odonata] 
 wrote: 

> 
> 
> Curiouser and curiouser - my third edition, like Eds, has Clear-faced 
Leaftail for Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis Belle. Apparently there was more 
than one version of the Third Edition (Green Cover) in circulation? 

> 
>  
> Chris
>  
>  
> On Oct 10, 2014, at 11:23 AM, Dennis Paulson dennispaulson AT comcast.net 
[TexOdes]  wrote: 

> 
> 
>  
> 
> This is a second sending. There seems to be no problem, as the Third Edition 
of Needham, Westfall & May in fact uses West Mexican Leaftail for this species! 
Did you have a manuscript copy of that book before it was published, Ed? 

>  
> Dennis
>  
>  
> ************************************************************************
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> Biology Department
> Coastal Carolina University
> Conway, SC 29528-1954
> 843-349-2567
> chill AT coastal.edu
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Subject: Re: [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US recordof Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis
From: "Dennis Paulson dennispaulson AT comcast.net [TexOdes]" <TexOdes-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 14:36:07 -0700
Jerrell, from comparing the photo directly with not only photos but also 
specimens in my collection, I would say the photo matches nayaritensis 
perfectly and is not pacificus, which has a distinctly different thoracic 
pattern, ivory white instead of yellowish thoracic stripes in life, and, 
perhaps more important, the photo shows no trace of the downward-projecting 
hamule characteristic of pacificus. These characteristics are based on 
differences between the two species (and the co-occurring P. apiculatus) in 
Sonora, as there are some differences in color pattern in pacificus farther 
south. 


Im not big on tropical gomphid records being based on photos only, as they are 
indeed hard to distinguish, as Jerrell points out, but I think all the evidence 
points to the New Mexico individual being this species. There is every chance 
that individual was an isolated vagrant, in which case we will never get a 
specimen. If a specimen is forthcoming, that will be great. 


Dennis Paulson
Seattle, WA 

On Oct 10, 2014, at 1:25 PM,   
wrote: 


> Aloha, Compadres!
>  
> My Phyllogomphoides pacificus look like the specimen in the photo, even to 
the yellowish tinge on the thoracic stripes. Are we 100% positive on the ID? I 
think we need voucher specimens to be sure. Talk to me later, everyone! 

>  
> Aloha nui!
> Jerrell
>  
> From: Ethan Bright
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:29 PM
> To: 'Marion Dobbs' ; se-odonata-owner AT yahoogroups.com
> Cc: 'NEOdes' ; texodes AT yahoogroups.com ; se-odonata AT yahoogroups.com ; 
'Odonata-l list Server' 

> Subject: Re: [Odonata-l] [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US recordof 
Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis 

>  
> Which is why the scientific name makes more sense in communication: stability 
across all languages, and gives an indication of its phylogenetic placement. 

>  
> From: odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu 
[mailto:odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu] On Behalf Of Marion Dobbs 

> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:24 PM
> To: se-odonata-owner AT yahoogroups.com
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Odonata-l list Server 

> Subject: Re: [Odonata-l] [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US record 
of Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis 

>  
> My third edition also uses Clear-faced Leaftail, mentioning in the 
description that it is similar in appearance to P. suasas but can be 
distinguished from it in the field by its pale costa and "mostly pale labrum." 
Perhaps that's the basis for this common name. 

>  
> Marion Dobbs
> Rome (Floyd Co.) GA
> ecurlew AT mac.com
> http://www.mamomi.net
> http://mariondobbs.smugmug.com
>  
> On Oct 10, 2014, at 11:57 AM, Chris Hill chill AT coastal.edu [se-odonata] 
 wrote: 

> 
> 
> Curiouser and curiouser - my third edition, like Eds, has Clear-faced 
Leaftail for Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis Belle. Apparently there was more 
than one version of the Third Edition (Green Cover) in circulation? 

> 
>  
> Chris
>  
>  
> On Oct 10, 2014, at 11:23 AM, Dennis Paulson dennispaulson AT comcast.net 
[TexOdes]  wrote: 

> 
> 
>  
> 
> This is a second sending. There seems to be no problem, as the Third Edition 
of Needham, Westfall & May in fact uses West Mexican Leaftail for this species! 
Did you have a manuscript copy of that book before it was published, Ed? 

>  
> Dennis
>  
>  
> ************************************************************************
> Christopher E. Hill
> Biology Department
> Coastal Carolina University
> Conway, SC 29528-1954
> 843-349-2567
> chill AT coastal.edu
> http://ww2.coastal.edu/chill/chill.htm
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Subject: Re: [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US recordof Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis
From: "Dennis Paulson dennispaulson AT comcast.net [se-odonata]" <se-odonata-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 14:36:07 -0700
Jerrell, from comparing the photo directly with not only photos but also 
specimens in my collection, I would say the photo matches nayaritensis 
perfectly and is not pacificus, which has a distinctly different thoracic 
pattern, ivory white instead of yellowish thoracic stripes in life, and, 
perhaps more important, the photo shows no trace of the downward-projecting 
hamule characteristic of pacificus. These characteristics are based on 
differences between the two species (and the co-occurring P. apiculatus) in 
Sonora, as there are some differences in color pattern in pacificus farther 
south. 


Im not big on tropical gomphid records being based on photos only, as they are 
indeed hard to distinguish, as Jerrell points out, but I think all the evidence 
points to the New Mexico individual being this species. There is every chance 
that individual was an isolated vagrant, in which case we will never get a 
specimen. If a specimen is forthcoming, that will be great. 


Dennis Paulson
Seattle, WA 

On Oct 10, 2014, at 1:25 PM,   
wrote: 


> Aloha, Compadres!
>  
> My Phyllogomphoides pacificus look like the specimen in the photo, even to 
the yellowish tinge on the thoracic stripes. Are we 100% positive on the ID? I 
think we need voucher specimens to be sure. Talk to me later, everyone! 

>  
> Aloha nui!
> Jerrell
>  
> From: Ethan Bright
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:29 PM
> To: 'Marion Dobbs' ; se-odonata-owner AT yahoogroups.com
> Cc: 'NEOdes' ; texodes AT yahoogroups.com ; se-odonata AT yahoogroups.com ; 
'Odonata-l list Server' 

> Subject: Re: [Odonata-l] [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US recordof 
Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis 

>  
> Which is why the scientific name makes more sense in communication: stability 
across all languages, and gives an indication of its phylogenetic placement. 

>  
> From: odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu 
[mailto:odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu] On Behalf Of Marion Dobbs 

> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:24 PM
> To: se-odonata-owner AT yahoogroups.com
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Odonata-l list Server 

> Subject: Re: [Odonata-l] [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US record 
of Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis 

>  
> My third edition also uses Clear-faced Leaftail, mentioning in the 
description that it is similar in appearance to P. suasas but can be 
distinguished from it in the field by its pale costa and "mostly pale labrum." 
Perhaps that's the basis for this common name. 

>  
> Marion Dobbs
> Rome (Floyd Co.) GA
> ecurlew AT mac.com
> http://www.mamomi.net
> http://mariondobbs.smugmug.com
>  
> On Oct 10, 2014, at 11:57 AM, Chris Hill chill AT coastal.edu [se-odonata] 
 wrote: 

> 
> 
> Curiouser and curiouser - my third edition, like Eds, has Clear-faced 
Leaftail for Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis Belle. Apparently there was more 
than one version of the Third Edition (Green Cover) in circulation? 

> 
>  
> Chris
>  
>  
> On Oct 10, 2014, at 11:23 AM, Dennis Paulson dennispaulson AT comcast.net 
[TexOdes]  wrote: 

> 
> 
>  
> 
> This is a second sending. There seems to be no problem, as the Third Edition 
of Needham, Westfall & May in fact uses West Mexican Leaftail for this species! 
Did you have a manuscript copy of that book before it was published, Ed? 

>  
> Dennis
>  
>  
> ************************************************************************
> Christopher E. Hill
> Biology Department
> Coastal Carolina University
> Conway, SC 29528-1954
> 843-349-2567
> chill AT coastal.edu
> http://ww2.coastal.edu/chill/chill.htm
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Subject: Re: [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US recordof Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis
From: <jdaigle AT nettally.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 16:25:24 -0400
Aloha, Compadres!

My Phyllogomphoides pacificus look like the specimen in the photo, even to the 
yellowish tinge on the thoracic stripes. Are we 100% positive on the ID? I 
think we need voucher specimens to be sure. Talk to me later, everyone! 


Aloha nui!
Jerrell

From: Ethan Bright 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:29 PM
To: 'Marion Dobbs' ; se-odonata-owner AT yahoogroups.com 
Cc: 'NEOdes' ; texodes AT yahoogroups.com ; se-odonata AT yahoogroups.com ; 
'Odonata-l list Server' 

Subject: Re: [Odonata-l] [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US recordof 
Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis 


Which is why the scientific name makes more sense in communication: stability 
across all languages, and gives an indication of its phylogenetic placement. 


 

From: odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu 
[mailto:odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu] On Behalf Of Marion Dobbs 

Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:24 PM
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list Server 

Subject: Re: [Odonata-l] [TexOdes] [se-odonata] New Mexico: First US record of 
Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis 


 

My third edition also uses Clear-faced Leaftail, mentioning in the description 
that it is similar in appearance to P. suasas but can be distinguished from it 
in the field by its pale costa and "mostly pale labrum." Perhaps that's the 
basis for this common name. 


 

Marion Dobbs

Rome (Floyd Co.) GA

ecurlew AT mac.com

http://www.mamomi.net

http://mariondobbs.smugmug.com

 

On Oct 10, 2014, at 11:57 AM, Chris Hill chill AT coastal.edu [se-odonata] 
 wrote: 






 Curiouser and curiouser - my third edition, like Ed’s, has Clear-faced 
Leaftail for Phyllogomphoides nayaritensis Belle. Apparently there was more 
than one version of the Third Edition (Green Cover) in circulation? 


   

  Chris

   

   

 On Oct 10, 2014, at 11:23 AM, Dennis Paulson dennispaulson AT comcast.net 
[TexOdes]  wrote: 






     

 This is a second sending. There seems to be no problem, as the Third Edition 
of Needham, Westfall & May in fact uses West Mexican Leaftail for this species! 
Did you have a manuscript copy of that book before it was published, Ed? 


     

    Dennis

     

   

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  Biology Department

  Coastal Carolina University

  Conway, SC 29528-1954

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Subject: Metro Beach banding report - September 18-27, 2014
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 13:52:30 -0400
Birders and banders,

I have just posted an update to my blog, summarizing 4 days of banding
conducted during the last half of September at Lake St. Clair Metropark,
Macomb Co., Michigan. As always, there are photo highlights and totals
banded for each day.

Go to: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/

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Inkster, Michigan
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Subject: Metro Beach banding report - September 4-13, 2014
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 19:19:06 -0400
Birders and Banders,

I have just finished a lengthy post to my blog, with lots of photo
highlights, for four banding days in the first half of September at Lake
St. Clair Metropark, Macomb Co., Michigan.

Go to: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/

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Subject: Metro Beach banding report - August 20-30, 2014
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 21:50:12 -0400
Birders and Banders,

Four days of banding were conducted in the last half of August, with a
trickle of migrants beginning, and a station first among the highlights.

Read the blog here: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/


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Subject: Easy shorebirding at Sterling State Park
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 14:49:15 -0400
Birders,

I have been contracted to conduct shorebird surveys at Sterling State Park,
Monroe County, which I've been doing since April. But water levels were
only drawn down starting in July, so shorebirds have not been detected,
until my last survey (August 15) and today. A good number of shorebirds is
visible in the east side of the Hunt Club marsh, very close to the gazebo,
which is about a 200 yard walk/roll on a paved bike path from a parking
area. It is located here: 41.911659, -83.342645 (paste these coordinates
into the Google Maps search bar). A good number of shorebirds were visible
and identifiable in binoculars from this gazebo, with many others farther
out (so bring a scope if you have one). Numbers were greatest on my 7 a.m.
pass by this spot, but some were still there at 11 a.m.  I have not yet
added up my totals for the day, as I have a several mile route with 11
point counts each tallied separately. But species noted included:

Killdeer
Semipalmated Plover
Greater Yellowlegs
Lesser Yellowlegs
Solitary Sandpiper
Short-billed Dowitcher
Stilt Sandpiper
Semipalmated Sandpiper
Least Sandpiper
Baird's Sandpiper
Pectoral Sandpiper
Wilson's Phalarope (1)

Allen T. Chartier
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Subject: Black-headed Gull - yes (8/21)
From: Paul cypher <paulcypher AT comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 09:28:56 -0400
All,

Andy, Natalie Ray, myself and others were just looking at the Black-headed 
Gull. Sadly, in the last 5 minutes, it has evaporated. A distant bird that 
**may** have been our target was viewed as it left the cell heading towards the 
lake..... 


Paul Cypher
Woodhaven,MI
Sent from my iPhone, one of the coolest devices ever....

> On Aug 21, 2014, at 9:04 AM, Macklin Smith  wrote:
> 
> All~
> 
> I was one of a few yesterday who arrived midday after the gull had flown
> off, reportedly over to Lake Eire. A great way to deal with such a
> disappointment, of course, is to enjoy the other great birds present, but
> as for trying to relocate the target gull, the consensus--after the gull
> flocks remaining in Cell 3 had been thoroughly scanned--was that it would
> be wise to have a look at the lake. Several of us headed over there, me on
> foot, the smarter ones on their bikes, and we located a *large* feeding
> flock of cormorants and gulls which yesterday was unfortunately too far
> away to scan any but the closest gulls with any confidence. But the "gull
> traffic" such as it was seemed to suggest that most returning gulls were
> heading to "pelican spit" in Cell 3 to the south of where the Black-headed
> Gull seems to prefer to roost.  So if the bird is AWOL it might make sense
> to scan that area as carefully as possible.
> 
> Those over at lake-side were variously strung out along the dike, and at
> one point, being on foot and not having the whole afternoon to spend on
> this quest, I was heading back clockwise well ahead of the "group."  At
> this point, a little before 2:00, I picked up the BHGU in Cell 3 airspace:
> aside from it just looking "different," the primaries really are very
> distinctive in flight. I thought I was following it very well, but when it
> landed in on the "pelican spit" I couldn't see it at all. From one spot on
> the side dike, however, I was able to see it well after considerable
> searching.  A couple of hundred yards further, when I was closest to the
> "pelican spit," I couldn't pick it out at all for some reason. At this
> point I saw a cluster of other birders on the lake-side dike with scopes
> pointing at the spit, so I figured (and hoped) they were looking at the
> bird rather than just scanning. I shouted to them, but our communication
> was ineffectual. I decided that this probably didn't matter too much. After
> all, their scopes were fixed not moving, so they were probably--as later
> reports verified--all looking at it.
> 
> All's well that ends well, to quote the Bard. This little narrative is
> meant mainly to suggest a few ways of looking for the gull should it not be
> immediately present and under observation. It's also a cautionary tale
> about the desirability of trading cell phone numbers or maybe even agreeing
> on a system of hand signals out there.
> 
> ~Macklin
> 
> Macklin Smith
> Department of English
> University of Michigan
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Subject: Fall banding begins at Metro Beach
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 21:33:44 -0400
Birders and Banders

On August 3 we cleared our net lanes at Lake St. Clair Metropark, Macomb
County, Michigan (aka Metro Beach) for the beginning of the fall banding
season. I have updated my blog with results from 4 banding days conducted
since then, which includes a lot of locally hatched birds, only a couple
migrants, and a station (and personal) first.

Go to: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/

Allen T. Chartier
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Subject: Migrating waterthrushes
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 15:45:49 -0400
Birders,

This morning I found two Northern Waterthrushes in two widely separated
areas of Sterling State Park, Monroe County, where they do not nest. One
was high up in a maple tree singing a song fragment! I have had them this
early in previous years, and in fact one was calling near the banding area
at Lake St. Clair Metropark, Macomb County, on Sunday (August 3). It has
begun!

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Subject: Re: Funds to curate Odonata at Penn State.
From: "Frederico A.A. Lencioni" <odonata970 AT hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 11:31:02 -0300
Dear Mark et al.,

 I agree with you scan/photograph every specimen is, in my humble opinion, a 
misuses of space and time (except for types I think!!!) and no one will be able 
to identify (if a wrong previous ID had occur) for pictures) except in very 
huge discrepancies. I think you all (I`m just giving hunches as I stop most of 
my activities with Odonata after several problems) must create one website to 
gather all information in one place, with one good scan of a couple of the 
species (freshly collected) and picture of a live specimen (attached an example 
I'm planning to do with my collection) and then the list of the localities, 
based on collection. 

      Hugs,

      Fred Lencioni

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Subject: Re: Funds to curate Odonata at Penn State.
From: "Frederico A.A. Lencioni" <odonata970 AT hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 11:14:35 -0300
Dear Mark et al.,

 I agree with you scan/photograph every specimen is, in my humble opinion, a 
misuses of space and time (except for types I think!!!) and no one will be able 
to identify (if a wrong previous ID had occur) for pictures) except in very 
huge discrepancies. I think you all (I`m just giving hunches as I stop most of 
my activities with Odonata after several problems) must create one website to 
gather all information in one place, with one good scan of a couple of the 
species (freshly collected) and picture of a live specimen (attached an example 
I'm planning to do with my collection) and then the list of the localities, 
based on collection. 

      Hugs,

      Fred Lencioni


  



Em 23/07/2014, (s) 09:33, Mark O'Brien  escreveu:

> We have approximately 36,000 Odonata records digitized at the UMMZ, and I 
estimate that it is far less than 10% of the Odonata collection. A TCN grant 
that we are on will get more Odes cataloged. Since the majority of the older 
material is still in paper triangles, it will be label data only, not imaging 
of the specimens, for which I see so much attention. It takes less time to 
enter the data from a label than it does to photograph a specimen and the 
entire workflow surrounding the imaging process. I fully agree with imaging 
exemplars, but I think it is a waste of resources and time to image every 
specimen (imagine if you will, imaging 5000 Ischnura verticalis - why?). 

> 
> We are also in the process of migrating all of the UM museums into Ke EMu 
(NOT my idea), and at this point I do not know where we will be in a year from 
now in the process. We are also moving all of our collections off-campus to a 
new facility that is currently under construction, so it is likely that in 3 
years from now, I will be working there. 

> Mark
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 5:36 PM, George L. Harp  wrote:
> FYI, several hundred odonate specimens in the Adult Odonata Collection of the 
Arkansas State University Museum of Zoology have been digitized. Access can be 
gained through the Ark. St. Univ. website, then to Biological Field stations, 
click on the one on the Buffalo National Scenic River. A group of students is 
also recording aquatic macroinvertebrate collections for online access. There 
are over 200,000 catalogued specimens in this particular collection. The four 
collections I established and curated during my time on the ASU faculty 
(aquatic macroinvertebrates, fishes, freshwater mussels, adult odonates), 
except for the adult odonate coll. which I brought home with me, was quickly 
falling onto bad times. Thanks to this band of students, however, the 
collections are rebounding. Some of the fishes and too many macroinvertebrates 
have been lost, but a large percent of both collections have survived. A 
malacologist from Little Rock, John Harris (also studied fishes under Anthony 
Echelle), has been coming up to stAte frequently to curate the mussels. 

> 
> George
> 
> ________________________________
> From: odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu [odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu] 
On Behalf Of John Abbott [jcabbott13 AT gmail.com] 

> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 2:54 PM
> To: Ryan M. Caesar
> Cc: Andy Deans; Odonata
> Subject: Re: [Odonata-l] Funds to curate Odonata at Penn State.
> 
> In 2012 I presented at the Entomology Collections Network on the digitization 
and data capture initiatives I was pursuing with the insect collection at UT. 
This included imaging the odonate specimens. We imaged a couple of thousand 
before I left, but nearly the entire collection is now digitized and in a 
relational database. Here is a link the presentation, 
http://www.slideshare.net/ECNOfficer/abbott-utic-ecn2012 

> 
> John
> --
> 
> John C. Abbott
> http://www.abbottnaturephotography.com
> 
http://www.flickr.com/abbottnaturephotography 

> http://www.facebook.com/AbbottNaturePhotography
> http://jcabbottnaturephotography.blogspot.com/
> http://www.odonatacentral.org
> 
> On Jul 11, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Ryan Caesar 
> wrote: 

> 
> In a comment on the Penn State blog, Dennis mentioned that he isn't aware of 
any odonate collections being digitized. I suspect this is true of the big, 
comprehensive and well known odonate collections. 

> 
> However, the NSF has been funding like crazy to digitize insect collections 
at universities and museums around the country and those data are slowly 
becoming available online as I type (I personally just added 34,000 records of 
insects from the University of Hawaii, and have another 15,000 ready to go 
now). This does include both imaging and georeferencing specimen labels, and 
all the data are freely available to anyone online, and can be annotated, cross 
linked, etc. Worldwide there are already millions of records, most collections 
are being linked through common search engines and web portals. And this 
includes plenty of odonates. Perhaps the odonate community would like a more 
comprehensive review of this topic including links? I could provide that, 
later. 

> 
> Perhaps of greater immediate concern is that the big important Odonate 
collections aren't in on these efforts. I am thinking mainly of the IORI, which 
I know lacks the kind of infrastructure to accomplish such a goal easily. 
However, given the special situation of that collection and it's size and 
importance, it is possible that a few of us who are experienced in collection 
management and digitization could write a proposal to try and gets funding to 
digitize the IORI? The equipment needed is not very expensive, the computing 
infrastructure already exists, the main difficult issue would be time and 
personnel to actually do the work. That may require temporary, large loans of 
IORI's holdings to do the imaging somewhere else. 

> 
> after imaging, I guarantee that collection could have the data transcribed 
via crowdsourcing in a matter of months (and again, the computing infrastucture 
for that exists already). 

> 
> ryan
> 
> --
> Ryan M. Caesar, 
Ph.D. 

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> Department of Plant & Environmental Protection Sciences
> University of Hawai'i at Manoa
> 310 Gilmore Hall, 3050 Maile Way
> Honolulu, HI 96822
> 808-956-9123
> 
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Hal White 
> wrote: 

> For those interested in Odonata curation, check out the blog on, "Odes on the 
verge of royal 
treatment" 
about funds to curate the Odonata collection at Penn State. Hopefully this 
effort will be completed by the time of the DSA meeting in State College, PA 
next June. Hal White 

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Subject: Re: Funds to curate Odonata at Penn State.
From: Andy Deans <adeans AT psu.edu>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 09:25:13 -0400
> imagine if you will, imaging 5000 Ischnura verticalis - why?


To allow their determinations to be verified, to look for phenotypic 
aberrations, to measure (albeit in a crude way) phenotypic variation, which 
could be extent of pigmentation, length, sizes/shapes of other parts, etc., to 
look for parasites (ceratopogonids), to look for evidence of prey (some of our 
specimens have parts of prey attached to them), and probably for reasons I 
hadn't thought of. There are definitely reasons, but what is the threshold for 
making the effort worth it? Not sure I know the answer to that question! 


Thanks for this ongoing discussion and comments on our blog. It's helping us 
determine our next steps. 

Andy

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Pennsylvania State University
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Subject: Re: Funds to curate Odonata at Penn State.
From: IORI <iodonata AT bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 09:07:31 -0400
Since my original reply is not in the thread, I Have 77000 specimens digitized 
(card data only), This is approx 10% of the FSCA collection. I welcome any 
combined effort application for grants to digitize more (or all). 


 

Bill Mauffray

International Odonata Research Institute

4525 NW 53RD LN

Gainesville FL 32653

352-219-3141 cell

  iodonata AT gmail.com

  http://www.iodonata.net

 

From: odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu 
[mailto:odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu] On Behalf Of Mark O'Brien 

Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 8:33 AM
To: George L. Harp
Cc: Andy Deans; Odonata; John Abbott; Ryan M. Caesar
Subject: Re: [Odonata-l] Funds to curate Odonata at Penn State.

 

We have approximately 36,000 Odonata records digitized at the UMMZ, and I 
estimate that it is far less than 10% of the Odonata collection. A TCN grant 
that we are on will get more Odes cataloged. Since the majority of the older 
material is still in paper triangles, it will be label data only, not imaging 
of the specimens, for which I see so much attention. It takes less time to 
enter the data from a label than it does to photograph a specimen and the 
entire workflow surrounding the imaging process. I fully agree with imaging 
exemplars, but I think it is a waste of resources and time to image every 
specimen (imagine if you will, imaging 5000 Ischnura verticalis - why?). 


 

We are also in the process of migrating all of the UM museums into Ke EMu (NOT 
my idea), and at this point I do not know where we will be in a year from now 
in the process. We are also moving all of our collections off-campus to a new 
facility that is currently under construction, so it is likely that in 3 years 
from now, I will be working there. 


Mark

 

On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 5:36 PM, George L. Harp  wrote:

FYI, several hundred odonate specimens in the Adult Odonata Collection of the 
Arkansas State University Museum of Zoology have been digitized. Access can be 
gained through the Ark. St. Univ. website, then to Biological Field stations, 
click on the one on the Buffalo National Scenic River. A group of students is 
also recording aquatic macroinvertebrate collections for online access. There 
are over 200,000 catalogued specimens in this particular collection. The four 
collections I established and curated during my time on the ASU faculty 
(aquatic macroinvertebrates, fishes, freshwater mussels, adult odonates), 
except for the adult odonate coll. which I brought home with me, was quickly 
falling onto bad times. Thanks to this band of students, however, the 
collections are rebounding. Some of the fishes and too many macroinvertebrates 
have been lost, but a large percent of both collections have survived. A 
malacologist from Little Rock, John Harris (also studied fishes under Anthony 
Echelle), has been coming up to stAte frequently to curate the mussels. 


George

________________________________
From: odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu [odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu] 
On Behalf Of John Abbott [jcabbott13 AT gmail.com] 

Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 2:54 PM
To: Ryan M. Caesar

Cc: Andy Deans; Odonata
Subject: Re: [Odonata-l] Funds to curate Odonata at Penn State.

In 2012 I presented at the Entomology Collections Network on the digitization 
and data capture initiatives I was pursuing with the insect collection at UT. 
This included imaging the odonate specimens. We imaged a couple of thousand 
before I left, but nearly the entire collection is now digitized and in a 
relational database. Here is a link the presentation, 
http://www.slideshare.net/ECNOfficer/abbott-utic-ecn2012 


John
--

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http://www.abbottnaturephotography.com

http://www.flickr.com/abbottnaturephotography 

http://www.facebook.com/AbbottNaturePhotography
http://jcabbottnaturephotography.blogspot.com/
http://www.odonatacentral.org

On Jul 11, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Ryan Caesar 
> wrote: 


In a comment on the Penn State blog, Dennis mentioned that he isn't aware of 
any odonate collections being digitized. I suspect this is true of the big, 
comprehensive and well known odonate collections. 


However, the NSF has been funding like crazy to digitize insect collections at 
universities and museums around the country and those data are slowly becoming 
available online as I type (I personally just added 34,000 records of insects 
from the University of Hawaii, and have another 15,000 ready to go now). This 
does include both imaging and georeferencing specimen labels, and all the data 
are freely available to anyone online, and can be annotated, cross linked, etc. 
Worldwide there are already millions of records, most collections are being 
linked through common search engines and web portals. And this includes plenty 
of odonates. Perhaps the odonate community would like a more comprehensive 
review of this topic including links? I could provide that, later. 


Perhaps of greater immediate concern is that the big important Odonate 
collections aren't in on these efforts. I am thinking mainly of the IORI, which 
I know lacks the kind of infrastructure to accomplish such a goal easily. 
However, given the special situation of that collection and it's size and 
importance, it is possible that a few of us who are experienced in collection 
management and digitization could write a proposal to try and gets funding to 
digitize the IORI? The equipment needed is not very expensive, the computing 
infrastructure already exists, the main difficult issue would be time and 
personnel to actually do the work. That may require temporary, large loans of 
IORI's holdings to do the imaging somewhere else. 


after imaging, I guarantee that collection could have the data transcribed via 
crowdsourcing in a matter of months (and again, the computing infrastucture for 
that exists already). 


ryan

--

Ryan M. Caesar, 
Ph.D. 


Junior Researcher
Department of Plant & Environmental Protection Sciences
University of Hawai'i at Manoa
310 Gilmore Hall, 3050 Maile Way
Honolulu, HI 96822
808-956-9123

On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Hal White 
> wrote: 

For those interested in Odonata curation, check out the blog on, "Odes on the 
verge of royal 
treatment" 
about funds to curate the Odonata collection at Penn State. Hopefully this 
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Subject: Oldest Ruby-throated Hummingbird lives in Michigan
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 09:21:19 -0400
Birders,

This past Thursday (July 17) I recaptured a Ruby-throated Hummingbird at a
home near Waterloo, Jackson County, that I had banded there on June 8,
2006. She was an adult when banded, so was hatched in summer 2005 or
earlier, making her at least 9 years 1 month old (using the Bird Banding
Lab's standard method of calculating bird ages). According to the Bird
Banding Lab's longevity database (
http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/bbl/longevity/longevity_main.cfm), this is the
oldest Ruby-throat ever confirmed. She has been recaptured a half-dozen
times over the years since she was banded, including last year when she was
at least 8 years old, and always at this same home. I've calculated that
she's traveled at least 36,000 miles in her migrations during her lifetime,
or possibly as much as 49,000 miles, depending on where she spends the
winter. She has probably produced between 18 and 36 young in the past 9
years, so with an 80% mortality rate of hatch-year birds, 4-8 of those have
likely lived to be adults. The "average" life span that I see on these
birds is about 4 years.

Yesterday (Saturday) I recaptured another female Ruby-throat that was
banded as an adult in 2007, making her at least 8 years 1 month old. So far
this summer I have banded 300+ Ruby-throats mainly in southeastern
Michigan, plus have recaptured an additional 100+ returning from previous
years, which is more than average.

Allen T. Chartier
Inkster, Michigan
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Subject: Dickcissels at Sterling SP
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 12:32:14 -0400
Birders,

This morning, after finishing shorebird surveys (none yer) I found at least
three singing Dickcissels in fields between the headquarters and the entry
station at Sterling State Park, Monroe Co.

Allen T. Chartier
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Subject: Fwd: [Mich-listers] Mowing the Fields at LSCMP
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 16:32:31 -0400
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: VIKKI JONES 
Date: Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 1:33 PM
Subject: [Mich-listers] Mowing the Fields at LSCMP
To: birders the 


All,

I usually don't send this kind of email, but feel I need to get the word
out.

Over the past several days, the wild flower fields around the nature center
at Lake St. Clair Metro Park have been mowed down.  Two days ago, I rode my
bike into the park, and could smell the wildflowers from the bike path.  I
could watch the milk weed, Brown Eyed Susan wild flowers and various
grasses blowing in the breeze.

This afternoon I walked around the nature center and saw the fields of
flowers I rode past two days ago are no longer standing.  I walked the
fields and found several dead snakes, frogs, birds, fledglings, etc.  The
field of milk week, which we know contained eggs for Monarch butterflies,
is gone.  I am just sick about this.  There is only one small patch left
unmowed.

I don't know if there is anything any of us can do to stop this.  I called
the Administrative Office for the Metro Parks, which is closed today, so I
was transferred over to Kensington Metro Park, but they could not help.  I
will call back tomorrow, but it may be too late.

Please, if you care about our metro park, please call the Administrative
Office and ask to speak with the Director.  He must know we need to keep
the property around our nature centers, natural.

Please forward this to others who care about our natural areas too.

Thank you.

Vikki Jones
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Subject: New Ring-billed Gull nesting colony in Livonia?
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 17:04:15 -0400
Birders,

This afternoon, when driving north on Middlebelt Road in Livonia (Wayne
Co.), I noticed a swirling mass of several hundred gulls, which turned out
to be Ring-billed Gulls. They seemed to be settling back onto the roof of a
closed warehouse/factory (blue building) just south of the railroad tracks
south of Schoolcraft Road (just south of the Meijer store), on the east
side of Middlebelt. The GPS for the site is: 42.373904, -83.332467

If I remember correctly, this may have formerly been a BASF facility?
Anyway, upon checking it out more, there were several road-killed juvenile
Ring-billed Gulls in the road nearby, and along the sides of the road were
several more that were injured or wandering around perhaps not injured,
just unaware of their surroundings as recent fledglings often are. I don't
ever remember there being this many gulls nesting in this area before, so
I'm wondering if anyone who knows this area has any more information. As
more birds fledge, it seems likely to be a significant traffic hazard, not
to mention a bad situation for the birds...

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Subject: Re: King Rail - Belleville (Dane Co.)
From: Luc227 <luc227 AT wi.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 07:22:05 -0500
Could someone tell me where exactly on Lake Belleville 
Is it in the park or ??
Thanks in advance for any info 
Sue Kulinski 
Wind Lake WI
On May 31, 2014, at 9:44 PM, Sunil Gopalan wrote:

> Hello --
> A King Rail was reported on Lake Belle View in Belleville (Dane Co.) by
> resident Ray Tushoski -- when I visited this afternoon I found a pair
> present and vocalizing loudly.
> 
> Also had a Least Bittern in the same area.
> 
> Some photos:
> http://www.sunilsimages.com/Birds/Cranes-Coots-and-Rails/King-Rail/
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Subject: Metro Beach banding report - May 3-11, 2014
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 22:08:01 -0400
Birders and banders,

After a busy couple of weeks, I have updated my blog with results,
highlights, and photos of banding efforts in early May. A good number of
highlights in this long update despite some challenging weather we had to
avoid, including a couple of personal firsts.

Go to: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/

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Subject: Macomb Co. NAMC data
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 14:51:43 -0400
Birders,

I have compiled all the data that is currently available to me from the May
10 NAMC in Macomb County. Thanks to all who were so prompt in providing
data. I have also checked eBird reports from the county and added those
too. So far 122 species have been tallied, which is a bit below average for
the county.

I have not seen any reports from May 10 from county hotspots like Holland
Ponds and Wetzel State Park. If you birded either of these places on May
10, or birded somewhere else and have not sent me your data, please get in
touch with me ASAP.

Thanks!

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Subject: Macomb County NAMC data
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 21:49:23 -0400
Birders,

If you birded in Macomb County on May 10 (North American Migration Count
day), I would appreciate it if you could send me your observations, names
of participants, hours, and miles as soon as possible. If you entered your
birds into eBird, please send your checklists to me...the best way is to
email them to yourself, then forward to me.

Thank you!

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Subject: LOTS of hummingbird reports
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 21:45:33 -0400
Hummingbird enthusiasts,

If you have sent me a hummingbird report in the last 3 days, please know
that I have received it, along with about 400 others. So if I have not
acknowledged you yet, please bear with me as I dig out and update my
hummingbird arrival map over the next few days.

Thanks!

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Subject: Macomb County NAMC
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 19:16:06 -0400
Birders,

I am the compiler for the North American Migration Count in Macomb County,
and like other compilers on these lists I am looking for participants.
Virtually the entire county is up for grabs at this point. If you will be
spending the day birding in Macomb County, please keep track of species and
numbers, hours and miles. Send me an email in advance to let me know where
you'll be birding so I can avoid duplication of efforts.

Thanks.

Allen T. Chartier
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Subject: Metro Beach banding report - April 23 & 27, 2014
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 16:29:04 -0400
Birders & Banders,

I have posted a summary birds banded, along with photo highlights, at Lake
St. Clair Metropark, Macomb Co., Michigan (Metro Beach banding station)
from the last week of April. Things have been a bit slow, but hopefully
will pick up with the arrival of the warblers soon.

Go to: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/

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Subject: Hummingbird arrivals update
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 19:51:36 -0400
Hummingbird enthusiasts,

It is now the end of April, and I have received 46 reports of Ruby-throated
Hummingbird, mostly from the southern Lower Peninsula, but two from the
northern Lower. I have no doubt that this number will triple in the next 5
days, as May 1-5 is THE MAIN arrival of Ruby-throats in the state. I hope
you all have your feeders ready, and keep those reports coming (males and
females are tracked separately, and I need date, town, and county please).

Check out the map at: http://www.amazilia.net/MIHummerNet/Data2014.htm

Thanks!

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Subject: Hummingbird arrivals update
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 19:51:36 -0400
Hummingbird enthusiasts,

It is now the end of April, and I have received 46 reports of Ruby-throated
Hummingbird, mostly from the southern Lower Peninsula, but two from the
northern Lower. I have no doubt that this number will triple in the next 5
days, as May 1-5 is THE MAIN arrival of Ruby-throats in the state. I hope
you all have your feeders ready, and keep those reports coming (males and
females are tracked separately, and I need date, town, and county please).

Check out the map at: http://www.amazilia.net/MIHummerNet/Data2014.htm

Thanks!

Allen T. Chartier
Inkster, Michigan
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Subject: Re: Alert: GARGANEY -- reported in Crex Meadows
From: Tom Prestby <jjprestby AT msn.com>
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 09:22:19 -0500
Haven't seen an update on here yet this morning but Robbye Johnson just texted 
me that the bird is still present at the same location. Other details are 
available on the Facebook group. 


Tom Prestby
Green Bay

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On Apr 25, 2014, at 4:48 PM, "Sunil Gopalan"  wrote:

> Further details on last known location:
> The pond on the corner of Cty Rd F and Abel Road on the west side of Crex
> just a couple of miles north of the visitor center. I saw it at 12:19 and
> returned later in the day to try and get better photos in better light but
> could not relocate it.
> 
> There are several accepted records during Spring migration in the Midwest
> but no WI records.
> 
> Sunil Gopalan - Madison - Dane Co.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Sunil Gopalan  wrote:
> 
>> Agogo Malawi reports a Garganey at Crex Meadows SWA in Burnett Co.
>> Naturally - origin unknown but there are known patterns of vagrancy.
>> 
>> Details pending
>> 
>> http://imageshack.com/a/img843/6565/4fr8.jpg
>> 
>> Sunil Gopalan - Madison - Dane Co.
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Subject: Flexing Pecs
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 15:17:26 -0400
Birders,

I have just uploaded to Flickr a sequence of photos that I took on Monday
in Monroe County this week of a pair of Pectoral Sandpipers engaged in a
dispute over personal space. They start by staring each other down, then
stretching their necks, then stretching onto the tips of their toes. Wings
are spread just before one chases the other off. The set can be viewed here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mihummingbirdguy/sets/72157644310501104/

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Subject: Metro Beach banding station report - April 17 & 19, 2014
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 16:31:52 -0400
Birders & Banders,

The second week of our early spring (late winter?) banding at Lake St.
Clair Metropark, Macomb Co., Michigan is summarized on my blog, with photo
highlights including a second station record, and a first station record
that brings the number of species banded here to 125.

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Subject: Hummingbirds are coming!
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 20:01:03 -0400
Birders,

Once again, I will be posting Ruby-throated Hummingbird arrivals in
Michigan to my website as I receive them (or as soon as I can get to them).
As of last night (Apr 18), I had receive 4 reports, all from the
southeastern Lower Peninsula. Today, I see there are 7 more reports in my
inbox that I'll have to follow up on. So, if you're in the Lower Peninsula,
get your feeders up today (I did) if you haven't already. If you're in the
UP, even if there's still snow on the ground the last week of April this
year (seems very likely), there surely could be some hummingbirds in the UP
at that time...so your feeder will be a great help to those eager migrants,
which will be followed by many more sensible individuals...

My map and data table can be found here:

http://www.amazilia.net/MIHummerNet/Data2014.htm

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Subject: Hummingbirds are coming!
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 20:01:03 -0400
Birders,

Once again, I will be posting Ruby-throated Hummingbird arrivals in
Michigan to my website as I receive them (or as soon as I can get to them).
As of last night (Apr 18), I had receive 4 reports, all from the
southeastern Lower Peninsula. Today, I see there are 7 more reports in my
inbox that I'll have to follow up on. So, if you're in the Lower Peninsula,
get your feeders up today (I did) if you haven't already. If you're in the
UP, even if there's still snow on the ground the last week of April this
year (seems very likely), there surely could be some hummingbirds in the UP
at that time...so your feeder will be a great help to those eager migrants,
which will be followed by many more sensible individuals...

My map and data table can be found here:

http://www.amazilia.net/MIHummerNet/Data2014.htm

Allen T. Chartier
Inkster, Michigan
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Subject: Re: Marbled Godwit -- Ashton, Dane Co.
From: Nolan Pope <npope49 AT gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 08:46:48 -0500
About 7:39am this morning,  I and a couple others were scanning for the
Godwit or a Franklin's Gull.   We could not find either one.
Nolan Pope
Madison/Dane



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> The Marbled Godwit reported earlier at the Ashton/K pond in Dane Co. hung
> around till sunset (at least) and gave some great views.
> It didn't seem to be lacking for food and was kept company by several
> Wilson's Snipe among others.
>
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Subject: Little Gull (gone?), Washtenaw, 17 Apr., 9;20am
From: Mike Sefton <mseft AT yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 10:05:12 -0400
Birders,
 Sean Bachman called to report a Little Gull at Whitmore Lake, directly across 
from the post office in a large group of Bonies. He lost the bird when he went 
to get his scope from the car, but is attempting to relocate it. I believe this 
is a first county record. 

Mike Sefton
Ann Arbor
www.washtenawaudubon.org

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Subject: Announcing the Team eBird Michigan blog
From: "larus10 ." <caleb.putnam AT gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 08:04:15 -0400
All-

[usual apologies for cross posting; please forward/share]

I am very happy to announce the official Team eBird Michigan blog, now live
at this link:

http://teamebirdmichigan.wordpress.com/

Although Michigan doesn't have an eBird portal, Adam and I have received
the go-ahead from the Cornell Lab of Ornithology to proceed with this blog.
We will be providing periodic content relating to how to properly use
eBird, ID conundrums, eBird filters, Team eBird Michigan membership
changes, and all things eBird in Michigan generally. We look very forward
to an increased level of outreach and engagement with all eBird users, and
we really hope to see big increases in usership, esp. in under-eBirded
counties in the UP and northern lower peninsula.

This blog has been a long time coming, and I hope you will bookmark it and
check in regularly. You can expect updates on Michigan filters and upcoming
additions to the review team over the next month. We hope you like it!

Good Birding,

Caleb Putnam
Team eBird Michigan

-- 
Caleb G. Putnam
Kentwood, MI
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Subject: Re: Optics
From: Lynn Ott <laott AT frontier.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 10:18:52 -0600
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Subject: Re: Harlequin Ducks -- Rock River/Ft. Atkinson
From: Shawn Miller <608shawnmiller AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 10:22:17 -0600
Good morning 
The pair are still on the river At 10 AM, they were preening on the ice
shelf Between Highway 89 bridge, and Highway 26 bridge Mixed with mallards

  Shawn Miller
Dane County


On Monday, December 16, 2013, Sunil Gopalan wrote:

> Hello --
> I caught up with the Harlequin Ducks in Ft. Atkinson this morning. A
> beautiful male/female pair hung back from and sometimes mixed with a number
> of Mallards.
>
> They were seen actively diving under the bridge and preening while on the
> ice shelf.
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Subject: Fall 2013 banding summary - Metro Beach banding station, MI
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 10:35:59 -0500
Birders and banders,

I have posted a brief summary of this fall's banding results to my blog. It
was a great season, as you will see. It was a good season for wrens and
sparrows, not so good for thrushes, vireos, flycatchers, and warblers.

Go to: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/

A more detailed report will be completed probably late this winter and
posted to my website at: www.amazilia.net/MetroBeachBanding/

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Subject: Additional access to Ann Arbor Rufous Hummingbird
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 15:14:22 -0500
Birders,

Daniel Rios' neighbor, Bruce Loughry, has just emailed to let me know that
birders are welcome to enter his property to view the Rufous Hummingbird
visiting feeders at both homes. He is at 2865 Whippoorwill Lane, Ann Arbor.


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Subject: Additional access to Ann Arbor Rufous Hummingbird
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 15:14:22 -0500
Birders,

Daniel Rios' neighbor, Bruce Loughry, has just emailed to let me know that
birders are welcome to enter his property to view the Rufous Hummingbird
visiting feeders at both homes. He is at 2865 Whippoorwill Lane, Ann Arbor.


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Subject: Re: Bolivian Snake
From: "Frederico A.A. Lencioni" <odonata970 AT hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 00:00:00 -0200
Ethan,


I think you are right.

Fred Lencioni


Em 26/10/2013, (s) 02:51, Ethan Bright  escreveu:

> Id venture its a species of whiptail snake (Chironius spp.), perhaps the 
Emerald whiptail (Chironius monticola) (Colubridae). 

> Hate to be a bird near that thing.
> Cheers, Ethan
>  
> From: odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu 
[mailto:odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu] On Behalf Of Jim Johnson 

> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:34 PM
> To: odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu
> Subject: [Odonata-l] Bolivian Snake
>  
> Hi Fred,
>  
> I have been going through some old photos and I have these of you with a big 
green snake in Bolivia. Do you know which species that is? 

>  
> I hope you and your family are doing well.
>  
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Subject: Metro Beach banding station report - October 3-17, 2013
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 18:48:20 -0400
Birders and banders,

I have posted results and highlights from four days of banding between
October 3-17 at the Metro Beach banding station, Lake St. Clair Metropark,
Macomb Co., Michigan. Warblers are done for the most part, but sparrows
have arrived in abundance, along with a few unusual captures. Read all
about it on my blog at:

http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/

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Subject: Re: [birders] Phalarope at Schneider Road pond
From: outfresh AT aol.com
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 22:44:59 -0400 (EDT)
I have received confirmation just now from Adam Byrne that the bird is indeed a 
RED phalarope! 



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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Mccreedy 
To: ddarm ddarm ; mich-listers 
Cc: birders 
Sent: Sat, Oct 5, 2013 9:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Mich-listers] [birders] Phalarope at Schneider Road pond


I believer that there is a possibility that Cathy's phalarope could have
been a Red Phalarope, will be looking at pics and references tonight.
I have only seen one Red, and it was in breeding plumage.  I have not seen
a Red-necked since the spring, in CA.  But the shape and size
of this bird's bill, its underwing tones, and other plumage characters have
me double-thinking a Red-necked call.  Thanks to Sean Bachmann
for really arguing persuasively on the bill, so that I kept looking into it.

Check out
http://www.flickr.com/photos/brennecke/1387696531/in/faves-69515167 AT N03/

To me the bird at Schneider was very similar, if not the same in
appearance.  The krill-colored chin was not apparent
on the Schneider bird, but I did feel like I could see that rusty hue on
occasion, at certain angles.

McCreedy
Ann Arbor


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> Cathy Theisen called to report a Phalarope at Schneider Road Pond ,
> Just north of Pleasant lake and Schneider Road.
> Possible Red-necked
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Subject: Re: [birders] Phalarope at Schneider Road pond
From: Chris Mccreedy <cristofolos AT gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 21:09:04 -0400
I believer that there is a possibility that Cathy's phalarope could have
been a Red Phalarope, will be looking at pics and references tonight.
I have only seen one Red, and it was in breeding plumage.  I have not seen
a Red-necked since the spring, in CA.  But the shape and size
of this bird's bill, its underwing tones, and other plumage characters have
me double-thinking a Red-necked call.  Thanks to Sean Bachmann
for really arguing persuasively on the bill, so that I kept looking into it.

Check out
http://www.flickr.com/photos/brennecke/1387696531/in/faves-69515167 AT N03/

To me the bird at Schneider was very similar, if not the same in
appearance.  The krill-colored chin was not apparent
on the Schneider bird, but I did feel like I could see that rusty hue on
occasion, at certain angles.

McCreedy
Ann Arbor


On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 3:29 PM, ddarm ddarm  wrote:

> Cathy Theisen called to report a Phalarope at Schneider Road Pond ,
> Just north of Pleasant lake and Schneider Road.
> Possible Red-necked
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Subject: Metro Beach banding station report - September 19-29, 2013
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 09:44:07 -0400
Birders and banders,

I have updated my blog with results and photo highlights from four days of
banding at Lake St. Clair Metropark, Macomb Co., Michigan during the last
half of September. Warblers and thrushes were sparse, but sparrows have
started coming in. And there were some unexpected captures.

Go to: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/

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Subject: Metro Beach banding station report - September 4-15, 2013
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:29:50 -0400
Birders and banders,

I have just completed a rather lengthy update to my blog covering
highlights of 5 banding days in the first half of September at Lake St.
Clair Metropark, Macomb Co., Michigan. In addition to many photo highlights
of uncommon birds banded, there was yet another new species added to the
stations list of birds banded. And for those with broader interests, there
are some insect highlights from most days.

Go to: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/

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Subject: Blog update - late summer hummingbirds
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 18:51:43 -0400
Hummingbird enthusiasts,

I have just updated my blog with some experiences and thoughts about late
summer hummingbirds and hummingbird banding in Michigan this year. There is
a short discussion of molt, the issue of "orange" gorgets in Ruby-throats,
and a couple unusual orange bellied Ruby-throats captured this summer.

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Subject: Re: Whooping Crane - Lenawee Co.
From: james law <lawjim AT hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 15:59:39 -0400

Mary Wise  wrote:

Lathe, it has all of the above.  I believe they've been reporting it (the
folks who have taken pictures).


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Lathe Claflin wrote:

> This bird should have colored bands above the tibiatarsal joint and
> possibly a transmitter.  Has anyone recorded the bands?  When you do please
> report them to the National Crane Fndtion
> Lathe
>
> On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Mary Wise  wrote:
>
>> Sorry, just realized that this has been going around on facebook but not
>> on the listserves.  Jeremy Sell found a Whooping Crane with some sandhills
>> at Schooner Waterfowl Production Area in Lenawee Co. on Thurs.  Since then,
>> several peeps have been to see it, including me yesterday. I haven't heard
>> whether anyone saw it today or not.
>>
>> Schooner is, alas, not on the DeLorme atlas, but is not far from the SE
>> corner of Lake Hudson State Recreation Area in Lenawee Co., which is in the
>> atlas.  Take 156 south along the east side of the SRA, and then turn left
>> on Medina Rd. (gravel).  Go until it makes a turn to the right, the first
>> WPA parking area is just before the curve.  It has been seen the most in
>> the cut field on the right side immediately after the curve, but others
>> have had it in other fields, and I had it in the wetland just beyond that
>> field, where there conveniently was another WPA parking area.  You may have
>> to walk down the trail a bit beyond the gate to see it (warning - poison
>> ivy abounds on this trail; don't wear crocs (like I did) unless you're not
>> allergic to it (like I'm not)). Otherwise, just check nearby fields.
>>
>> Sorry for posting so late in the weekend. Like I said, I hadn't noticed
>> it wasn't going around the listserves...
>>
>> Mary
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Subject: Re: Whooping Crane - Lenawee Co.
From: zgwenithz <zgwenithz AT prodigy.net>
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 14:10:01 -0700 (PDT)
On Thursday, the whooping crane sighting was reported to USWFG using their 
online whooping crane reporting form and listed the colors and order of the 
bands on both legs. The very next day, 8/2, a representative from USWFG was on 
site with equipment designed to pick up the birds transmitter signal. 


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Subject: Re: Whooping Crane - Lenawee Co.
From: Lathe Claflin <lathe.claflin AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 15:43:30 -0400
This bird should have colored bands above the tibiatarsal joint and
possibly a transmitter.  Has anyone recorded the bands?  When you do please
report them to the National Crane Fndtion
Lathe

On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Mary Wise  wrote:

> Sorry, just realized that this has been going around on facebook but not
> on the listserves.  Jeremy Sell found a Whooping Crane with some sandhills
> at Schooner Waterfowl Production Area in Lenawee Co. on Thurs.  Since then,
> several peeps have been to see it, including me yesterday. I haven't heard
> whether anyone saw it today or not.
>
> Schooner is, alas, not on the DeLorme atlas, but is not far from the SE
> corner of Lake Hudson State Recreation Area in Lenawee Co., which is in the
> atlas.  Take 156 south along the east side of the SRA, and then turn left
> on Medina Rd. (gravel).  Go until it makes a turn to the right, the first
> WPA parking area is just before the curve.  It has been seen the most in
> the cut field on the right side immediately after the curve, but others
> have had it in other fields, and I had it in the wetland just beyond that
> field, where there conveniently was another WPA parking area.  You may have
> to walk down the trail a bit beyond the gate to see it (warning - poison
> ivy abounds on this trail; don't wear crocs (like I did) unless you're not
> allergic to it (like I'm not)). Otherwise, just check nearby fields.
>
> Sorry for posting so late in the weekend. Like I said, I hadn't noticed it
> wasn't going around the listserves...
>
> Mary
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Subject: Re: Whooping Crane - Lenawee Co.
From: Gregg Perez <pajarogoyo AT gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 20:54:14 -0400
I saw it Friday and today. The local residents (people not birds) told me it 
has been there for two weeks. 


Gregg
Tecumseh, MI


On Aug 4, 2013, at 7:52 PM, Mary Wise wrote:

> Sorry, just realized that this has been going around on facebook but not on 
the listserves. Jeremy Sell found a Whooping Crane with some sandhills at 
Schooner Waterfowl Production Area in Lenawee Co. on Thurs. Since then, several 
peeps have been to see it, including me yesterday. I haven't heard whether 
anyone saw it today or not. 

> 
> Schooner is, alas, not on the DeLorme atlas, but is not far from the SE 
corner of Lake Hudson State Recreation Area in Lenawee Co., which is in the 
atlas. Take 156 south along the east side of the SRA, and then turn left on 
Medina Rd. (gravel). Go until it makes a turn to the right, the first WPA 
parking area is just before the curve. It has been seen the most in the cut 
field on the right side immediately after the curve, but others have had it in 
other fields, and I had it in the wetland just beyond that field, where there 
conveniently was another WPA parking area. You may have to walk down the trail 
a bit beyond the gate to see it (warning - poison ivy abounds on this trail; 
don't wear crocs (like I did) unless you're not allergic to it (like I'm not)). 
Otherwise, just check nearby fields. 

> 
> Sorry for posting so late in the weekend. Like I said, I hadn't noticed it 
wasn't going around the listserves... 

> 
> Mary
> 
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Subject: Blog update - hummingbirds and songbirds
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:11:02 -0400
Birders and banders,

I have just updated my blog with two main topics. First, a discussion of
the summer hummingbird banding season in southern Michigan so far, with a
detailed discussion of the most frequently asked question that I get this
time of year...where are all the hummingbirds? And second, a brief summary
of the spring banding at Lake St. Clair Metropark, Macomb County, Michigan.

Go to: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/

-- 
Allen T. Chartier
Inkster, Michigan
Email: amazilia3 AT gmail.com
Website: www.amazilia.net
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Subject: Blog update - hummingbirds and songbirds
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 10:30:38 -0400
Birders and banders,

I have just updated my blog with two main topics. First, a discussion of
the summer hummingbird banding season in southern Michigan so far, with a
detailed discussion of the most frequently asked question that I get this
time of year...where are all the hummingbirds? And second, a brief summary
of the spring banding at Lake St. Clair Metropark, Macomb County, Michigan.

Go to: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/

-- 
Allen T. Chartier
Inkster, Michigan
Email: amazilia3 AT gmail.com
Website: www.amazilia.net
Blog: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/


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Subject: Blog update - hummingbirds and songbirds
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 10:30:38 -0400
Birders and banders,

I have just updated my blog with two main topics. First, a discussion of
the summer hummingbird banding season in southern Michigan so far, with a
detailed discussion of the most frequently asked question that I get this
time of year...where are all the hummingbirds? And second, a brief summary
of the spring banding at Lake St. Clair Metropark, Macomb County, Michigan.

Go to: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/

-- 
Allen T. Chartier
Inkster, Michigan
Email: amazilia3 AT gmail.com
Website: www.amazilia.net
Blog: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/
Subject: Spring hummingbird arrival map update
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 08:35:29 -0400
Birders,

In early May a family health issue, now resolved with a positive outcome,
halted my ability to update my hummingbird arrival map and table. I have
now waded through the backlog of 500+ emails and posted a final version of
the map and data table. It can be viewed here:

http://www.amazilia.net/MIHummerNet/Data2013.htm.

Thank you for your patience.

For anyone interested, check out my schedule of hummingbird programs here:

http://www.amazilia.net/MIHummerNet/2013_Programs.htm

And soon I will be caught up with getting the 2012 hummingbird banding
report posted on-line, where it will be found at:

http://www.amazilia.net/MIHummerNet/Newsletters.htm

-- 
Allen T. Chartier
Inkster, Michigan
Email: amazilia3 AT gmail.com
Website: www.amazilia.net
Blog: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/


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Subject: Spring hummingbird arrival map update
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 08:35:29 -0400
Birders,

In early May a family health issue, now resolved with a positive outcome,
halted my ability to update my hummingbird arrival map and table. I have
now waded through the backlog of 500+ emails and posted a final version of
the map and data table. It can be viewed here:

http://www.amazilia.net/MIHummerNet/Data2013.htm.

Thank you for your patience.

For anyone interested, check out my schedule of hummingbird programs here:

http://www.amazilia.net/MIHummerNet/2013_Programs.htm

And soon I will be caught up with getting the 2012 hummingbird banding
report posted on-line, where it will be found at:

http://www.amazilia.net/MIHummerNet/Newsletters.htm

-- 
Allen T. Chartier
Inkster, Michigan
Email: amazilia3 AT gmail.com
Website: www.amazilia.net
Blog: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/


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Subject: Announcement #4
From: "Bruce M. Bowman" <bbowman99 AT comcast.net>
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 23:52:31 -0400
====================================================================

                        ANNOUNCEMENT #4

                      It's a go (I think)


                        9:45pm, June 21




The four email lists

         birders, se-mi-birdlist, jax-birds, enviro-semich

have now been installed on the Mailman listserver at the 
Great Lakes Information Network.  The Lyris subscription lists of 
this date have been brought over to the Mailman lists.  The four 
lists have 1016, 316, 65, and 184 subscribers, respectively.  
List options settings have been made almost identical 
to Lyris list settings. 

Over the coming weeks I will occasionally post information about 
list and email options that you can use to customize your 
subscriptions.  Here I will repeat some information given in 
Announcement #3 and elaborate a little.

--------------------------------------------------------------------

"YOU'VE (NOT) GOT MAIL!?"

If you do not receive Announcement #4 this evening from the NEW 
list, read item 10 of Announcement #3 and see if there could be 
an explanation there.  Wait until morning and check again.  If 
you still are not receiving mail from the new list, email me: 

        Bruce Bowman 

Note: You will be able to recognize emails sent from the new list 
by the "GLIN" sig(nature) at the bottom.


TO UNSUBSCRIBE OR CHANGE YOUR USER SETTINGS

Subscribers to birderss AT umich.edu with settings NOMAIL, 
DIGEST, MIMEDIGEST, or INDEX, hang in there.  You will be 
receiving regular mail from the new list for two or three days 
(Lyris MAIL delivery).  If you are in a hurry to return to your
preferred type of delivery, go to 

http://mailman.great-lakes.net/mailman/options/birders/ 

Except for unsubscribing you are required to enter your password 
for this list if you want to change settings.  Initially you do 
not have a password, so a list-specific password will be sent to 
your subscription email address.  Get the assigned password, enter 
it where indicated, and make the desired changes to user settings, 
etc.  You can also reset the password assigned to you by Mailman. 


WHERE TO FIND THE SEARCHABLE ARCHIVE                       

To access the searchable archive for this list go to 
http://www.great-lakes.net/lists/birders/

The archive for this list is presently Private, which means that 
only list subscribers have access.  Entry of your list-specific 
password is required.  (See the item above regarding changing 
user settings, which also requires a password.)

There is presently no limit on the size of the archive.


DIGEST MAIL DELIVERY OPTIONS

Digest, the setting for once-per-day, midnight delivery, has not 
yet been tested.  Formatting types available are MIME and PLAIN.

====================================================================

                        ANNOUNCEMENT #3

                        It's moving day!



WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.  NOT YET.  LATER TODAY, THOUGH, THE MOVE TO 
THE MAILMAN LISTSERVER AT THE GREAT LAKES INFORMATION NETWORK 
WILL BE MADE.  I WILL BRING THE NEW LIST ONLINE AT PROBABLY 7:00 
to 9:00pm (TODAY: JUNE 21, 2013).  WHEN YOU RECEIVE ANNOUNCEMENT 
#4 (FROM BOTH LISTS), YOU WILL KNOW THAT YOUR NEW LIST IS UP AND 
RUNNING.

LYRIS SHUTDOWN TONIGHT

I have confirmed that the Lyris listserver will be shut down for 
the last time tonight probably at around midnight.  It is more 
likely that it will be shut down later than earlier, but you 
shouldn't count on the birders list being alive as late as 
that. 

WHAT SHOULD I DO BEFORE THAT?

Nothing, in all likelihood, but there are some things NOT to do, 
and you should READ THE ASTERISKED ITEMS FIRST (NOW) if the new 
list has not yet been announced as "ready" by an email 
"Announcement #4".  These are *0, *1, *2, *3, and *8. 

Note: Announcement #4 will be posted to both lists, the old and 
the new. 

Here's a list of things you should at least be aware of.  Be sure 
to read everything below before you first post to the new list.

THINGS YOU SHOULD KNOW

*0. If you do not receive Announcement #4 this evening from the new 
list, read item 10 and see if there could be an explanation 
there.  Wait until morning and check again.  If you still are not 
receiving mail from the new list, email me:

        Bruce Bowman 

Note: You will be able to recognize emails sent from the new list 
by the "GLIN" sig(nature) at the bottom.

*1. DO NOT unsubscribe from birders.  Your Lyris list 
subscription will go away when Lyris is shut down.  A new Mailman 
subscription will have been set up for you hours before. 

*2. DO NOT subscribe to the new list.  (See 1.)

*3. DO NOT post to the new list until this evening after you have 
received Announcement #4, which will inform you that 
birders.great-lakes.net is open for business.  That 
announcement will be posted to the new list as well as the old.

4. Download any birders email that may still be sitting on the 
Lyris listserver.  Translation: Download your email sometime 
today.

5. If there is a late post to your Lyris list that somehow you 
don't get, you will still be able to get it even months or years 
from now if there are any non-Lyris archive or mini-archive sites 
for your list. 

6. Save this announcement temporarily and then any later ones for 
reference.  I am "stacking" announcements so that you need to save 
only the last one.  I anticipate having this one and one more, 
#4/#3/#2/#1 (Announcement #4) in the late afternoon.

7. There is an archive for the new list.  I will give you more 
information about that later.

*8. I WILL BRING THE NEW LIST ONLINE AT PROBABLY 7:00 to 
9:00pm (TODAY: JUNE 21, 2013).  

There should therefore be several hours this evening that both 
lists exist.  It is highly recommended that you post to the new 
list, not the old one, during this period.  Further, except for 
items of urgency, it would be best not to post at all today until 
after the new list is in operation. 

9. Summary information about email and membership settings in 
Mailman email will be sent later.  

If you have been referencing an FAQ for your email list, you will 
probably eventually be able to find Mailman information there, 
replacing Lyris information, for commands and URLs useful for 
setting email and membership preferences. 

10.  ***  great-lakes.net  replaces  umich.edu  ***

   Our list's name is unchanged: birders

but the new domain gives us a new email address:

        birders AT great-lakes.net 

The change of email address is relevant in three ways:

a. The Internet will deliver emails to a different server for 
distribution to list members.  The new server is located at 
GLIN/GLC on So. Industrial Highway, Ann Arbor.  The one that is 
being shut down--which served us well for many years--is 
located at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor.

Our new host is GLIN, the Great Lakes Information Network, a part 
of the Great Lakes Commission:   http://www.great-lakes.net/

b. Second, you may have your email options set to take certain 
actions based on identifiers of the source of the emails.  It is 
unlikely, but if you preprocess incoming mail in such a way that 
something different might be done with emails from 

birders AT umich.edu

and

birders AT great-lakes.net

then you will need to make changes in your mail settings.  This 
could relate to any of the following (or similar): directing 
incoming email to different inboxes (folders), deleting emails 
(or sending to a "Deleted Messages" folder), recognizing as mail 
from a "friend" (i.e., not spam, etc.

By far, though, the most likely filtering you might be doing for 
email from the birders list is of the "Subj." line, where
Lyris was able to put the identifier 

       [birders]

at the beginning of the field.  Mailman has that capability, too, 
so if you have been filtering on the square-bracketed list name 
in the subject field, that filter will continue to work.

11.  If you have birders.umich in your address book, change 
umich.edu to great-lakes.net.  You might, for example, post to 
three different email lists.  One of them is birders, and in 
your address book you give it the nickname "list1"; this allows 
you to just type in "list1" in the "To" field to post to the list 
instead of typing out the whole address or going into the address 
book to click on it. 

12. Subscribers to birderss AT umich.edu with settings NOMAIL, 
DIGEST, MIMEDIGEST, or INDEX, hang in there.  You will be 
receiving regular mail from the new list for two or three days 
(Lyris MAIL delivery).  If you are in a hurry to return to your
preferred type of delivery, go to 

http://mailman.great-lakes.net/mailman/options/birders/ 

If you wait, I will either give you detailed instructions for how 
to reset your delivery type or I will reset it for you to what you 
used with Lyris.

====================================================================

                       ANNOUNCEMENT #2

     birders is moving!...but you don't need to do a thing.

Quite magically later this week (Friday at the latest) you will begin 

receiving your birders list email from a different server, a 
Mailman server at Great Lakes Information Network (GLIN), instead of 
the one we have used for years, the Lyris listserver at the 
University of Michigan.  You don't have to do ANYTHING to continue 
receiving birders mail.  So don't touch that dial.  Just sit back 
and relax.   

I do hope that some pay attention to this next bit, though, and post 
to the new list.  TO POST TO THE NEW LIST you must send your emails 
to the first address below, not the second one:   

      birders AT great-lakes.net       <----- YES! (but not yet)
      birders AT umich.edu             <----- NO, NO, NO!

For a day or two you will have subscriptions to the old list AND the 
new list.  Messages that are posted to umich.edu through Friday will 
be delivered.  As of Saturday morning, though, only posts to the new 
address will be delivered.  The U-M Lyris listserver will be out of 
commission forever.  When Lyris is shut down, so too will be your 
subscription to birders AT umich.edu.  THERE IS NO NEED TO UNSUBSCRIBE 
from the old list and THERE IS NO NEED TO SUBSCRIBE to the new list. 
Both things will happen while you sleep (or at least while you're not 

looking).  

Do not begin posting to the new address until after you receive an 
announcement that it is set up and ready to go.  There will be at 
least two more announcements before that, #3 and #4.  

====================================================================

                      ANNOUNCEMENT #1

Four affiliated Lyris listserve lists are moving together to a NEW
HOST before the permanent shutdown of the Lyris listserver at the
University of Michigan on June 21.  The information here related to
this move is offered by your list administrators.

birding lists
  birders           Bruce Bowman 
  se-mi-birdlist    Mary Wise 
  jax-birds         Lathe Claflin 

enviro list
  enviro-semich     Larry Nooden 
                    John Lowry (co-admin) 
====================================================================

            NO ACTION IS REQUIRED, BUT PLEASE READ.

On June 21 (Friday) the Lyris listserver will be shut down for good. 
This dos NOT mean that your birders email list is going away; we 
found a new host, and we think it will prove to be a good one.  The 
Great Lakes Information Network, GLIN, a department at the Great 
Lakes Commission, GLC, has found our email list relevant to their 
mission and has generously agreed to give us a new home.  (Our 
special thanks to Laura Liebler, admin of wild.ones AT umich.edu--now  
a2wildones--for telling us about GLIN/GLC.)    

GLIN uses Mailman list management software, not Lyris.  From the 
email list subscriber's perspective there will be little difference 
between Lyris and Mailman.  Such things as subscribing, 
unsubscribing, turning off mail delivery, etc., are done in about the 

same way.    

There is NOTHING that you need to do now.  Before the end of the week 

a birders list will be created at GLIN and the birders AT umich.edu 
Lyris subscriber list will be copied to the new host. I.e., YOUR LIST 

MEMBERSHIP WILL BE MOVED FOR YOU to GLIN's Mailman system.  The old 
list will not be deleted until late on June 21, so you may receive 
mail from both lists for a day or two up to June 21.   

Beginning on Saturday, June 22, you will receive your list mail only 
from Mailman listserver at GLIN/GLC.  Posts made to the old Lyris 
address birders AT umich.edu will bounce; they will not be redirected 
to the new list.  

You will be notified when the new list has been set up and 
configured.  Until then continue posting to birders AT umich.edu.  At 
that time you may begin posting to the new list at birders AT xxxxxxxxxx 
 

Contact your list administrator if you have questions, but please 
hold off until after the 21st.  Your question may be answered in one 
of the several announcements (mostly reminders) you will receive 
leading up to the 21st.    

Oh, what is xxxxxxxxxx?  You'll need to know if you want to be able 
to post to the new list.  Stay tuned for the next announcement.    

-----

(Okay, I can tell you now. xxxxxxxxxx is great-lakes.net.  I.e., 
after the announcement that the new list is ready for action, you 
can begin posting to birders AT great-lakes.net.)   





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http://mailman.great-lakes.net/mailman/options/birders/

To search the archive: http://www.great-lakes.net/lists/birders/

BIRDERS is hosted by the Great Lakes Information Network (GLIN),
http://www.great-lakes.net/
Subject: Announcement #4
From: "Bruce M. Bowman" <bbowman99 AT comcast.net>
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 23:52:31 -0400
====================================================================

                        ANNOUNCEMENT #4

                      It's a go (I think)


                        9:45pm, June 21




The four email lists

         birders, se-mi-birdlist, jax-birds, enviro-semich

have now been installed on the Mailman listserver at the 
Great Lakes Information Network.  The Lyris subscription lists of 
this date have been brought over to the Mailman lists.  The four 
lists have 1016, 316, 65, and 184 subscribers, respectively.  
List options settings have been made almost identical 
to Lyris list settings. 

Over the coming weeks I will occasionally post information about 
list and email options that you can use to customize your 
subscriptions.  Here I will repeat some information given in 
Announcement #3 and elaborate a little.

--------------------------------------------------------------------

"YOU'VE (NOT) GOT MAIL!?"

If you do not receive Announcement #4 this evening from the NEW 
list, read item 10 of Announcement #3 and see if there could be 
an explanation there.  Wait until morning and check again.  If 
you still are not receiving mail from the new list, email me: 

        Bruce Bowman 

Note: You will be able to recognize emails sent from the new list 
by the "GLIN" sig(nature) at the bottom.


TO UNSUBSCRIBE OR CHANGE YOUR USER SETTINGS

Subscribers to birderss AT umich.edu with settings NOMAIL, 
DIGEST, MIMEDIGEST, or INDEX, hang in there.  You will be 
receiving regular mail from the new list for two or three days 
(Lyris MAIL delivery).  If you are in a hurry to return to your
preferred type of delivery, go to 

http://mailman.great-lakes.net/mailman/options/birders/ 

Except for unsubscribing you are required to enter your password 
for this list if you want to change settings.  Initially you do 
not have a password, so a list-specific password will be sent to 
your subscription email address.  Get the assigned password, enter 
it where indicated, and make the desired changes to user settings, 
etc.  You can also reset the password assigned to you by Mailman. 


WHERE TO FIND THE SEARCHABLE ARCHIVE                       

To access the searchable archive for this list go to 
http://www.great-lakes.net/lists/birders/

The archive for this list is presently Private, which means that 
only list subscribers have access.  Entry of your list-specific 
password is required.  (See the item above regarding changing 
user settings, which also requires a password.)

There is presently no limit on the size of the archive.


DIGEST MAIL DELIVERY OPTIONS

Digest, the setting for once-per-day, midnight delivery, has not 
yet been tested.  Formatting types available are MIME and PLAIN.

====================================================================

                        ANNOUNCEMENT #3

                        It's moving day!



WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.  NOT YET.  LATER TODAY, THOUGH, THE MOVE TO 
THE MAILMAN LISTSERVER AT THE GREAT LAKES INFORMATION NETWORK 
WILL BE MADE.  I WILL BRING THE NEW LIST ONLINE AT PROBABLY 7:00 
to 9:00pm (TODAY: JUNE 21, 2013).  WHEN YOU RECEIVE ANNOUNCEMENT 
#4 (FROM BOTH LISTS), YOU WILL KNOW THAT YOUR NEW LIST IS UP AND 
RUNNING.

LYRIS SHUTDOWN TONIGHT

I have confirmed that the Lyris listserver will be shut down for 
the last time tonight probably at around midnight.  It is more 
likely that it will be shut down later than earlier, but you 
shouldn't count on the birders list being alive as late as 
that. 

WHAT SHOULD I DO BEFORE THAT?

Nothing, in all likelihood, but there are some things NOT to do, 
and you should READ THE ASTERISKED ITEMS FIRST (NOW) if the new 
list has not yet been announced as "ready" by an email 
"Announcement #4".  These are *0, *1, *2, *3, and *8. 

Note: Announcement #4 will be posted to both lists, the old and 
the new. 

Here's a list of things you should at least be aware of.  Be sure 
to read everything below before you first post to the new list.

THINGS YOU SHOULD KNOW

*0. If you do not receive Announcement #4 this evening from the new 
list, read item 10 and see if there could be an explanation 
there.  Wait until morning and check again.  If you still are not 
receiving mail from the new list, email me:

        Bruce Bowman 

Note: You will be able to recognize emails sent from the new list 
by the "GLIN" sig(nature) at the bottom.

*1. DO NOT unsubscribe from birders.  Your Lyris list 
subscription will go away when Lyris is shut down.  A new Mailman 
subscription will have been set up for you hours before. 

*2. DO NOT subscribe to the new list.  (See 1.)

*3. DO NOT post to the new list until this evening after you have 
received Announcement #4, which will inform you that 
birders.great-lakes.net is open for business.  That 
announcement will be posted to the new list as well as the old.

4. Download any birders email that may still be sitting on the 
Lyris listserver.  Translation: Download your email sometime 
today.

5. If there is a late post to your Lyris list that somehow you 
don't get, you will still be able to get it even months or years 
from now if there are any non-Lyris archive or mini-archive sites 
for your list. 

6. Save this announcement temporarily and then any later ones for 
reference.  I am "stacking" announcements so that you need to save 
only the last one.  I anticipate having this one and one more, 
#4/#3/#2/#1 (Announcement #4) in the late afternoon.

7. There is an archive for the new list.  I will give you more 
information about that later.

*8. I WILL BRING THE NEW LIST ONLINE AT PROBABLY 7:00 to 
9:00pm (TODAY: JUNE 21, 2013).  

There should therefore be several hours this evening that both 
lists exist.  It is highly recommended that you post to the new 
list, not the old one, during this period.  Further, except for 
items of urgency, it would be best not to post at all today until 
after the new list is in operation. 

9. Summary information about email and membership settings in 
Mailman email will be sent later.  

If you have been referencing an FAQ for your email list, you will 
probably eventually be able to find Mailman information there, 
replacing Lyris information, for commands and URLs useful for 
setting email and membership preferences. 

10.  ***  great-lakes.net  replaces  umich.edu  ***

   Our list's name is unchanged: birders

but the new domain gives us a new email address:

        birders AT great-lakes.net 

The change of email address is relevant in three ways:

a. The Internet will deliver emails to a different server for 
distribution to list members.  The new server is located at 
GLIN/GLC on So. Industrial Highway, Ann Arbor.  The one that is 
being shut down--which served us well for many years--is 
located at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor.

Our new host is GLIN, the Great Lakes Information Network, a part 
of the Great Lakes Commission:   http://www.great-lakes.net/

b. Second, you may have your email options set to take certain 
actions based on identifiers of the source of the emails.  It is 
unlikely, but if you preprocess incoming mail in such a way that 
something different might be done with emails from 

birders AT umich.edu

and

birders AT great-lakes.net

then you will need to make changes in your mail settings.  This 
could relate to any of the following (or similar): directing 
incoming email to different inboxes (folders), deleting emails 
(or sending to a "Deleted Messages" folder), recognizing as mail 
from a "friend" (i.e., not spam, etc.

By far, though, the most likely filtering you might be doing for 
email from the birders list is of the "Subj." line, where
Lyris was able to put the identifier 

       [birders]

at the beginning of the field.  Mailman has that capability, too, 
so if you have been filtering on the square-bracketed list name 
in the subject field, that filter will continue to work.

11.  If you have birders.umich in your address book, change 
umich.edu to great-lakes.net.  You might, for example, post to 
three different email lists.  One of them is birders, and in 
your address book you give it the nickname "list1"; this allows 
you to just type in "list1" in the "To" field to post to the list 
instead of typing out the whole address or going into the address 
book to click on it. 

12. Subscribers to birderss AT umich.edu with settings NOMAIL, 
DIGEST, MIMEDIGEST, or INDEX, hang in there.  You will be 
receiving regular mail from the new list for two or three days 
(Lyris MAIL delivery).  If you are in a hurry to return to your
preferred type of delivery, go to 

http://mailman.great-lakes.net/mailman/options/birders/ 

If you wait, I will either give you detailed instructions for how 
to reset your delivery type or I will reset it for you to what you 
used with Lyris.

====================================================================

                       ANNOUNCEMENT #2

     birders is moving!...but you don't need to do a thing.

Quite magically later this week (Friday at the latest) you will begin 

receiving your birders list email from a different server, a 
Mailman server at Great Lakes Information Network (GLIN), instead of 
the one we have used for years, the Lyris listserver at the 
University of Michigan.  You don't have to do ANYTHING to continue 
receiving birders mail.  So don't touch that dial.  Just sit back 
and relax.   

I do hope that some pay attention to this next bit, though, and post 
to the new list.  TO POST TO THE NEW LIST you must send your emails 
to the first address below, not the second one:   

      birders AT great-lakes.net       <----- YES! (but not yet)
      birders AT umich.edu             <----- NO, NO, NO!

For a day or two you will have subscriptions to the old list AND the 
new list.  Messages that are posted to umich.edu through Friday will 
be delivered.  As of Saturday morning, though, only posts to the new 
address will be delivered.  The U-M Lyris listserver will be out of 
commission forever.  When Lyris is shut down, so too will be your 
subscription to birders AT umich.edu.  THERE IS NO NEED TO UNSUBSCRIBE 
from the old list and THERE IS NO NEED TO SUBSCRIBE to the new list. 
Both things will happen while you sleep (or at least while you're not 

looking).  

Do not begin posting to the new address until after you receive an 
announcement that it is set up and ready to go.  There will be at 
least two more announcements before that, #3 and #4.  

====================================================================

                      ANNOUNCEMENT #1

Four affiliated Lyris listserve lists are moving together to a NEW
HOST before the permanent shutdown of the Lyris listserver at the
University of Michigan on June 21.  The information here related to
this move is offered by your list administrators.

birding lists
  birders           Bruce Bowman 
  se-mi-birdlist    Mary Wise 
  jax-birds         Lathe Claflin 

enviro list
  enviro-semich     Larry Nooden 
                    John Lowry (co-admin) 
====================================================================

            NO ACTION IS REQUIRED, BUT PLEASE READ.

On June 21 (Friday) the Lyris listserver will be shut down for good. 
This dos NOT mean that your birders email list is going away; we 
found a new host, and we think it will prove to be a good one.  The 
Great Lakes Information Network, GLIN, a department at the Great 
Lakes Commission, GLC, has found our email list relevant to their 
mission and has generously agreed to give us a new home.  (Our 
special thanks to Laura Liebler, admin of wild.ones AT umich.edu--now  
a2wildones--for telling us about GLIN/GLC.)    

GLIN uses Mailman list management software, not Lyris.  From the 
email list subscriber's perspective there will be little difference 
between Lyris and Mailman.  Such things as subscribing, 
unsubscribing, turning off mail delivery, etc., are done in about the 

same way.    

There is NOTHING that you need to do now.  Before the end of the week 

a birders list will be created at GLIN and the birders AT umich.edu 
Lyris subscriber list will be copied to the new host. I.e., YOUR LIST 

MEMBERSHIP WILL BE MOVED FOR YOU to GLIN's Mailman system.  The old 
list will not be deleted until late on June 21, so you may receive 
mail from both lists for a day or two up to June 21.   

Beginning on Saturday, June 22, you will receive your list mail only 
from Mailman listserver at GLIN/GLC.  Posts made to the old Lyris 
address birders AT umich.edu will bounce; they will not be redirected 
to the new list.  

You will be notified when the new list has been set up and 
configured.  Until then continue posting to birders AT umich.edu.  At 
that time you may begin posting to the new list at birders AT xxxxxxxxxx 
 

Contact your list administrator if you have questions, but please 
hold off until after the 21st.  Your question may be answered in one 
of the several announcements (mostly reminders) you will receive 
leading up to the 21st.    

Oh, what is xxxxxxxxxx?  You'll need to know if you want to be able 
to post to the new list.  Stay tuned for the next announcement.    

-----

(Okay, I can tell you now. xxxxxxxxxx is great-lakes.net.  I.e., 
after the announcement that the new list is ready for action, you 
can begin posting to birders AT great-lakes.net.)   






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Subject: ADMIN - moving to GLIN - Announcement #3
From: "Bruce M. Bowman" <bbowman99 AT comcast.net>
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 15:05:20 -0400
====================================================================

                        ANNOUNCEMENT #3

                        It's moving day!



WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.  NOT YET.  LATER TODAY, THOUGH, THE MOVE TO 
THE MAILMAN LISTSERVER AT THE GREAT LAKES INFORMATION NETWORK 
WILL BE MADE.  I WILL BRING THE NEW LIST ONLINE AT PROBABLY 7:00 
to 9:00pm (TODAY: JUNE 21, 2013).  WHEN YOU RECEIVE ANNOUNCEMENT 
#4 (FROM BOTH LISTS), YOU WILL KNOW THAT YOUR NEW LIST IS UP AND 
RUNNING.

LYRIS SHUTDOWN TONIGHT

I have confirmed that the Lyris listserver will be shut down for 
the last time tonight probably at around midnight.  It is more 
likely that it will be shut down later than earlier, but you 
shouldn't count on the birders list being alive as late as 
that. 

WHAT SHOULD I DO BEFORE THAT?

Nothing, in all likelihood, but there are some things NOT to do, 
and you should READ THE ASTERISKED ITEMS FIRST (NOW) if the new 
list has not yet been announced as "ready" by an email 
"Announcement #4".  These are *0, *1, *2, *3, and *8. 

Note: Announcement #4 will be posted to both lists, the old and 
the new. 

Here's a list of things you should at least be aware of.  Be sure 
to read everything below before you first post to the new list.

THINGS YOU SHOULD KNOW

*0. If you do not receive Announcement #4 this evening from the new 
list, read item 10 and see if there could be an explanation 
there.  Wait until morning and check again.  If you still are not 
receiving mail from the new list, email me:

        Bruce Bowman 

Note: You will be able to recognize emails sent from the new list 
by the "GLIN" sig(nature) at the bottom.

*1. DO NOT unsubscribe from birders.  Your Lyris list 
subscription will go away when Lyris is shut down.  A new Mailman 
subscription will have been set up for you hours before. 

*2. DO NOT subscribe to the new list.  (See 1.)

*3. DO NOT post to the new list until this evening after you have 
received Announcement #4, which will inform you that 
birders.great-lakes.net is open for business.  That 
announcement will be posted to the new list as well as the old.

4. Download any birders email that may still be sitting on the 
Lyris listserver.  Translation: Download your email sometime 
today.

5. If there is a late post to your Lyris list that somehow you 
don't get, you will still be able to get it even months or years 
from now if there are any non-Lyris archive or mini-archive sites 
for your list. 

6. Save this announcement temporarily and then any later ones for 
reference.  I am "stacking" announcements so that you need to save 
only the last one.  I anticipate having this one and one more, 
#4/#3/#2/#1 (Announcement #4) in the late afternoon.

7. There is an archive for the new list.  I will give you more 
information about that later.

*8. I WILL BRING THE NEW LIST ONLINE AT PROBABLY 7:00 to 
9:00pm (TODAY: JUNE 21, 2013).  

There should therefore be several hours this evening that both 
lists exist.  It is highly recommended that you post to the new 
list, not the old one, during this period.  Further, except for 
items of urgency, it would be best not to post at all today until 
after the new list is in operation. 

9. Summary information about email and membership settings in 
Mailman email will be sent later.  

If you have been referencing an FAQ for your email list, you will 
probably eventually be able to find Mailman information there, 
replacing Lyris information, for commands and URLs useful for 
setting email and membership preferences. 

10.  ***  great-lakes.net  replaces  umich.edu  ***

   Our list's name is unchanged: birders

but the new domain gives us a new email address:

        birders AT great-lakes.net 

The change of email address is relevant in three ways:

a. The Internet will deliver emails to a different server for 
distribution to list members.  The new server is located at 
GLIN/GLC on So. Industrial Highway, Ann Arbor.  The one that is 
being shut down--which served us well for many years--is 
located at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor.

Our new host is GLIN, the Great Lakes Information Network, a part 
of the Great Lakes Commission:   http://www.great-lakes.net/

b. Second, you may have your email options set to take certain 
actions based on identifiers of the source of the emails.  It is 
unlikely, but if you preprocess incoming mail in such a way that 
something different might be done with emails from 

birders AT umich.edu

and

birders AT great-lakes.net

then you will need to make changes in your mail settings.  This 
could relate to any of the following (or similar): directing 
incoming email to different inboxes (folders), deleting emails 
(or sending to a "Deleted Messages" folder), recognizing as mail 
from a "friend" (i.e., not spam, etc.

By far, though, the most likely filtering you might be doing for 
email from the birders list is of the "Subj." line, where
Lyris was able to put the identifier 

       [birders]

at the beginning of the field.  Mailman has that capability, too, 
so if you have been filtering on the square-bracketed list name 
in the subject field, that filter will continue to work.

11.  If you have birders.umich in your address book, change 
umich.edu to great-lakes.net.  You might, for example, post to 
three different email lists.  One of them is birders, and in 
your address book you give it the nickname "list1"; this allows 
you to just type in "list1" in the "To" field to post to the list 
instead of typing out the whole address or going into the address 
book to click on it. 

12. Subscribers to birderss AT umich.edu with settings NOMAIL, 
DIGEST, MIMEDIGEST, or INDEX, hang in there.  You will be 
receiving regular mail from the new list for two or three days 
(Lyris MAIL delivery).  If you are in a hurry to return to your
preferred type of delivery, go to 

http://mailman.great-lakes.net/mailman/options/birders/ 

If you wait, I will either give you detailed instructions for how 
to reset your delivery type or I will reset it for you to what you 
used with Lyris.

====================================================================

                       ANNOUNCEMENT #2

     birders is moving!...but you don't need to do a thing.

Quite magically later this week (Friday at the latest) you will begin 

receiving your birders list email from a different server, a 
Mailman server at Great Lakes Information Network (GLIN), instead of 
the one we have used for years, the Lyris listserver at the 
University of Michigan.  You don't have to do ANYTHING to continue 
receiving birders mail.  So don't touch that dial.  Just sit back 
and relax.   

I do hope that some pay attention to this next bit, though, and post 
to the new list.  TO POST TO THE NEW LIST you must send your emails 
to the first address below, not the second one:   

      birders AT great-lakes.net       <----- YES! (but not yet)
      birders AT umich.edu             <----- NO, NO, NO!

For a day or two you will have subscriptions to the old list AND the 
new list.  Messages that are posted to umich.edu through Friday will 
be delivered.  As of Saturday morning, though, only posts to the new 
address will be delivered.  The U-M Lyris listserver will be out of 
commission forever.  When Lyris is shut down, so too will be your 
subscription to birders AT umich.edu.  THERE IS NO NEED TO UNSUBSCRIBE 
from the old list and THERE IS NO NEED TO SUBSCRIBE to the new list. 
Both things will happen while you sleep (or at least while you're not 

looking).  

Do not begin posting to the new address until after you receive an 
announcement that it is set up and ready to go.  There will be at 
least two more announcements before that, #3 and #4.  

====================================================================

                      ANNOUNCEMENT #1

Four affiliated Lyris listserve lists are moving together to a NEW
HOST before the permanent shutdown of the Lyris listserver at the
University of Michigan on June 21.  The information here related to
this move is offered by your list administrators.

birding lists
  birders           Bruce Bowman 
  se-mi-birdlist    Mary Wise 
  jax-birds         Lathe Claflin 

enviro list
  enviro-semich     Larry Nooden 
                    John Lowry (co-admin) 
====================================================================

            NO ACTION IS REQUIRED, BUT PLEASE READ.

On June 21 (Friday) the Lyris listserver will be shut down for good. 
This dos NOT mean that your birders email list is going away; we 
found a new host, and we think it will prove to be a good one.  The 
Great Lakes Information Network, GLIN, a department at the Great 
Lakes Commission, GLC, has found our email list relevant to their 
mission and has generously agreed to give us a new home.  (Our 
special thanks to Laura Liebler, admin of wild.ones AT umich.edu--now  
a2wildones--for telling us about GLIN/GLC.)    

GLIN uses Mailman list management software, not Lyris.  From the 
email list subscriber's perspective there will be little difference 
between Lyris and Mailman.  Such things as subscribing, 
unsubscribing, turning off mail delivery, etc., are done in about the 

same way.    

There is NOTHING that you need to do now.  Before the end of the week 

a birders list will be created at GLIN and the birders AT umich.edu 
Lyris subscriber list will be copied to the new host. I.e., YOUR LIST 

MEMBERSHIP WILL BE MOVED FOR YOU to GLIN's Mailman system.  The old 
list will not be deleted until late on June 21, so you may receive 
mail from both lists for a day or two up to June 21.   

Beginning on Saturday, June 22, you will receive your list mail only 
from Mailman listserver at GLIN/GLC.  Posts made to the old Lyris 
address birders AT umich.edu will bounce; they will not be redirected 
to the new list.  

You will be notified when the new list has been set up and 
configured.  Until then continue posting to birders AT umich.edu.  At 
that time you may begin posting to the new list at birders AT xxxxxxxxxx 
 

Contact your list administrator if you have questions, but please 
hold off until after the 21st.  Your question may be answered in one 
of the several announcements (mostly reminders) you will receive 
leading up to the 21st.    

Oh, what is xxxxxxxxxx?  You'll need to know if you want to be able 
to post to the new list.  Stay tuned for the next announcement.    

-----

(Okay, I can tell you now. xxxxxxxxxx is great-lakes.net.  I.e., 
after the announcement that the new list is ready for action, you 
can begin posting to birders AT great-lakes.net.)   

------------------------------------
Bruce M. Bowman                     
Ann Arbor, Michigan USA             
Washtenaw Co., southeast Michigan   
bbowman99 AT comcast.net               
http://www.umich.edu/~bbowman/birds 



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Subject: Carolina Wrens
From: Michael Parow <mlparow AT hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 15:02:00 -0400
Hello. I've been seeing two Carolina Wrens in my yard this week. I first 
spotted them on my serviceberry (almost no berries left), but I've also seen 
them go through the latticework surrounding the underside of my screened porch. 
Is it possible that they've taken up residence there? There's a rather large 
space under that along with an aluminum canoe and a stack of firewood. Thanks. 
--mike 


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Subject: Acadian fllycatcher
From: GreenStreet <greenstreet AT mindspring.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 13:27:57 -0400
I just realized that the loud bird in the woods behind my house has to be an 
Acadian flycatcher. I always knew it was a flycatcher but I never tried to ID 
it further until just now. Being lazy and ignorant, I had assumed it had to be 
a willow or alder, and since it didn't sound like either, I never pursued it 
further. Live and learn. 

- Guerin in Chelsea 
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