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27 Nov red-necked grebe Jordan Lake, Ionia county, Thanksgiving day ["brambling AT juno.com" ]
27 Nov Ross's goose Eaton county, thanksgiving day [Kevin Thomas ]
27 Nov Ross's Goose @ Luna Pier [Allen Chartier ]
27 Nov Ross's Goose @ Luna Pier [Allen Chartier ]
23 Nov gsniderman@aol.com [Gerald Sniderman ]
22 Nov Administrative issue--bounced messages [Karl Overman ]
20 Nov Costa's Humminbird, no, Manistee County [Brian ]
18 Nov Re: Costa's Hummingbird, Manistee County [Allen Chartier ]
18 Nov Costa's Hummingbird, Manistee County [Brian ]
16 Nov Re: Mich-listers Digest, Vol 2760, Issue 1 [Edward Lewandowski ]
15 Nov Exotic Goose at Port Austin [Gerald Ziarno ]
15 Nov Bean Goose (Domestic or escapee?) [Gerald Ziarno ]
14 Nov Costa's Hummingbird, Manistee Co. still there [Brian ]
11 Nov Re: Costa's Hummingbird. YES! 11-11-14 [Chris Mccreedy ]
11 Nov Costa's Hummingbird. YES! 11-11-14 [Tom Smythe ]
11 Nov Berrien Co Red Phalarope 11.11 [Scott Jennex ]
11 Nov deadline for MBRC applicants [Scott Terry ]
11 Nov Request for future MBRC members [Scott Terry ]
11 Nov Re: Red Phalarope New Buffalo Sunday []
10 Nov Re: Costa's [Karen Sitts ]
11 Nov Red Phalarope New Buffalo Sunday [Karl Overman ]
10 Nov Re: Costa's Hummingbird [Jeremy Joswick ]
9 Nov Fwd: Re: [BBCBirds] Red Phalarope&Franklin's Gull-3 oaks ["Myles F. McNally" ]
08 Nov Pacific Loon ~ from yesterday [Marc North ]
8 Nov Tern at Lake St. Clair metro park 11/8 [Sean Williams ]
08 Nov message from Shiawassee NWR [Adam Byrne ]
7 Nov Pacific Loon - Macomb County - Yes [Brian McGee ]
07 Nov Gray Kingbird is OFF LIMITS - please respect the refuge rules!!! [Adam Byrne ]
7 Nov Gray Kingbird at Shiawassee []
7 Nov Costa's Hummingbird [Laurence Burke ]
7 Nov Pacific loon macomb [Tom Hince ]
07 Nov Costa's Hummingbird, Manistee Co. [Brian ]
6 Nov Re: Pomarine jaeger Macomb now [Tom Hince ]
6 Nov Pomarine jaeger Macomb now [Tom Hince ]
6 Nov Costa's continues [John Lowry ]
6 Nov Re: Lark sparrow --NO []
5 Nov Correction Snow Geese. Roscommon County [Greg Bodker ]
5 Nov Ross' Goose-roscommon County [Greg Bodker ]
5 Nov Greater White-fronted Goose - Shiawassee Co [Steve Santner ]
5 Nov Lark sparrow yes [Tom Hince ]
5 Nov Costa's Hummingbird [Thomas Wheeker ]
4 Nov Costa's Hummingbird was still present this afternoon, 11/4/14 []
4 Nov Re: Costa's Hummingbird still present in Onekama. [Mike Petrucha ]
04 Nov Macomb. Lark sparrow continues 12:30 pm [Scott Jennex ]
04 Nov Costa's Hummingbird still present in Onekama. [Kevin Thomas ]
4 Nov Lark sparrow macomb 10 am [Tom Hince ]
04 Nov Costa's Hummingbird, Little Gull, Manistee County [Brian ]
4 Nov Lark sparrow [Tom Hince ]
3 Nov Way too many inappropriate messages on mich-listers [Karl Overman ]
4 Nov Re: Shiawassee: "Many people hunting in there, " but folks with binoculars excluded? (EOM) [Klein Douglas ]
3 Nov Shiawassee: "Many people hunting in there, " but folks with binoculars excluded? (EOM) [Hoganson Jerome ]
3 Nov Scissor -tailed Flycatcher [Larry Abraham ]
3 Nov Re: Costa's [Allen Chartier ]
3 Nov Costa's [Brian Allen ]
3 Nov Costa's Hummingbird [Gerald Ziarno ]
3 Nov Shiawassee National Wildlife trail schedule closure schedule [Larry Abraham ]
3 Nov Costa's Hummingbird - Monday 7:10 Yes [Andy Dettling ]
2 Nov Re: Costa's Hummingbird [Karen Sitts ]
02 Nov Info on Shiawassee directly from Steve [Marc North ]
2 Nov Re: Gray Kingbird [Tom Gass ]
2 Nov Re: Gray Kingbird [Allen Chartier ]
2 Nov Re: Gray Kingbird ["Charlie Weaver" ]
2 Nov Costa's Hummingbird [Darrell Lawson ]
2 Nov Re: Gray Kingbird ["thegarlicks tds.net" ]
2 Nov Re: Gray Kingbird ["C or M Johnstone" ]
2 Nov Re: Gray Kingbird [Dixie Burkhart ]
2 Nov Re: Gray Kingbird [Chris Mccreedy ]
2 Nov Shiawassee [Paul Revard ]
2 Nov Re: Gray Kingbird [Brad Murphy ]
2 Nov Gray Kingbird [Paul Revard ]
2 Nov Costa's Hummingbird [Brian Allen ]
2 Nov Costa's Hummingbird yes 11/2 ["larus10 ." ]
2 Nov Gray Kingbird: NO ACCESS ["Chu, Philip" ]
1 Nov Photos of Manistee Co. Costa's Hummingbird []
1 Nov Costa's Hummingbird directions [Brian Allen ]
1 Nov Costa's Hummingbird Manistee Co [Brian Allen ]

Subject: red-necked grebe Jordan Lake, Ionia county, Thanksgiving day
From: "brambling AT juno.com" <brambling@juno.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 21:21:32 GMT
After leaving the Ross's Goose spot on M43, I went to Jordan Lake to check for 
ducks. Not much variety but I did locate a Red-necked Grebe on the north end of 
the lake in Ionia county. It was visible from the War Memorial directly across 
from the McDonalds in Lake Odessa. There were also many geese there and more 
coming in from the east. Wouldn't suprise me if the Ross's Goose also ended up 
here roosting for the night as it is only 4 miles away from the field in Eaton 
county it was feeding in. Good luck. Kevin Thomas 

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Subject: Ross's goose Eaton county, thanksgiving day
From: Kevin Thomas <brambling AT juno.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 14:49:05 -0500
I am currently looking at a Ross's goose in a corn stubble field south of m43 
and east of m66. It is with a large flock of Canada geese and mallards. I'm 
viewing the bird from the shoulder of m43. It is about 1/4 mile east of m66. 
Good luck.  

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Subject: Ross's Goose @ Luna Pier
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 10:54:56 -0500
Monroe Co. Go to north end of pier and scan flock of Canada Geese along
shore to the north. 6 Cackling Geese also there. Offshore were 2 Black
Scoters.

11 Lesser Black-backed Gulls  AT  Whiting Plant earlier this a.m. 10 were
adult type.

Allen T. Chartier
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Subject: Ross's Goose @ Luna Pier
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 10:54:56 -0500
Monroe Co. Go to north end of pier and scan flock of Canada Geese along
shore to the north. 6 Cackling Geese also there. Offshore were 2 Black
Scoters.

11 Lesser Black-backed Gulls  AT  Whiting Plant earlier this a.m. 10 were
adult type.

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 08:42:28 -0500

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Subject: Administrative issue--bounced messages
From: Karl Overman <martineoverman AT earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 11:45:31 -0500
This morning I have been inundated with messages of people being unsubscribed 
from mich-chat and mich-listers for bounced messages--163 of them. Most were 
aol and yahoo subscribers but I noticed a few others as well. I will be in 
contact with envirolink.org to see what can be done about this. 


Karl Overman
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Subject: Costa's Humminbird, no, Manistee County
From: Brian <tanager AT manistee.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 13:22:41 -0500
The Costa's Hummingbird apparently has had enough of the Great Lake 
Effect State and has moved on.  I was able to spend about a half hour 
watching for it over the noon hour and did not see it.  I checked 
several of it's favorite perches and did not see it and fortunately did 
not find its body either at the perching and roost sites or near the feeder.

I will have some other local birders check for it today and if it is 
seen will post.

BA
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Subject: Re: Costa's Hummingbird, Manistee County
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 14:46:46 -0500
Just FYI, a Costa's in Grand Junction, Colorado has already gone through a
night of 4 degrees (F) and at least one heavy snowfall. I would imagine
this bird will depart soon, as breeding season in its normal range usually
starts about a month from now.

Allen T. Chartier
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On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Brian  wrote:

> still there today, survived temps in the teens last night.  actively
> attending feeder which is now just inside a deer blind at the edge of
> the deck in the back yard.  The bird is still visible from standing in
> the driveway and lands on a young maple tree next to the tent like
> blind.  The feeder has heat tape on it and will continue to be attended to.
>
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Subject: Costa's Hummingbird, Manistee County
From: Brian <tanager AT manistee.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 14:42:59 -0500
still there today, survived temps in the teens last night.  actively 
attending feeder which is now just inside a deer blind at the edge of 
the deck in the back yard.  The bird is still visible from standing in 
the driveway and lands on a young maple tree next to the tent like 
blind.  The feeder has heat tape on it and will continue to be attended to.

BA
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Subject: Re: Mich-listers Digest, Vol 2760, Issue 1
From: Edward Lewandowski <ocbirdguy AT gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 19:20:56 -0500
The Chinese Goose at Port Austin has been hanging out in the harbor for quite 
some time at least as long ago as early October. 

Ed Lewandowski 

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> Have been observing for past 30 minutes or so at Port Austin Harbor a Bean 
type goose. Not pinioned, can fly quite strongly. No white on face. No black 
barring on chest/belly. Bill dark but hint of orange/yellow like young bird. 
Legs bright orange. Only field guide with me is Nat. Geo so have to check 
European Guides when I return home Unless local birders know about this bird it 
may be worth a look by others. 

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> After sending photos to Adam Byrne, it was determined this is a Chinese 
Goose, an exotic and probable escaped bird. 

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Subject: Exotic Goose at Port Austin
From: Gerald Ziarno <gziarno AT aol.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 21:26:17 -0500
After sending photos to Adam Byrne, it was determined this is a Chinese Goose, 
an exotic and probable escaped bird. 


Jerry Ziarno

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Subject: Bean Goose (Domestic or escapee?)
From: Gerald Ziarno <gziarno AT aol.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 15:59:33 -0500
Have been observing for past 30 minutes or so at Port Austin Harbor a Bean type 
goose. Not pinioned, can fly quite strongly. No white on face. No black barring 
on chest/belly. Bill dark but hint of orange/yellow like young bird. Legs 
bright orange. Only field guide with me is Nat. Geo so have to check European 
Guides when I return home Unless local birders know about this bird it may be 
worth a look by others. 


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Subject: Costa's Hummingbird, Manistee Co. still there
From: Brian <tanager AT manistee.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 11:01:06 -0500
The Costa's was feeding at 11:00 today when I talked to Jan. Yesterday 
when the sun came out it appeared to be fly-catching for about an hour.

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Subject: Re: Costa's Hummingbird. YES! 11-11-14
From: Chris Mccreedy <cristofolos AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 15:13:00 -0500
Zinging like a champ in the palo verde in the front yard at 39F, 3PM. Thank you 
for sharing, Jan. 


McCreedy
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> On Nov 11, 2014, at 14:27, Tom Smythe  wrote:
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> This am at same location. 10am to 11am. Feeding at both feeders every 8 to 10 
minutes. 

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Subject: Costa's Hummingbird. YES! 11-11-14
From: Tom Smythe <t_smythe AT att.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 14:27:11 -0500
This am at same location. 10am to 11am. Feeding at both feeders every 8 to 10 
minutes. 


Tom Smythe

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Subject: Berrien Co Red Phalarope 11.11
From: Scott Jennex <cccta AT aol.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 12:22:14 -0500
Red Phalarope ans 2 Franklins Gulls continue at Three Oaks Sewage today at 
11:00 in the rain 


Scott Jennex


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Subject: deadline for MBRC applicants
From: Scott Terry <scott__terry AT hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 09:06:57 -0500
Greetings, 
My apologies for having to send another message. Anyone interested in serving 
on the MBRC, please send your letter to me by December 1st 2014. 

Again sorry for the extra message.
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Subject: Request for future MBRC members
From: Scott Terry <scott__terry AT hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 09:04:35 -0500
Good morning,
The Michigan Bird Records Committee is again seeking people who are interested 
in serving. Due to previous bylaws changes there will be four openings. Per the 
bylaws, an applicant "shall include skill in identification of Michigan bird 
species or species likely to occur in Michigan and knowledge of the occurrence 
of birds in Michigan." 

A term on the committee lasts three years, starting the first year as a regular 
member. Since there are four openings, two new members will begin as regular 
members while the other two will start as alternate members. 

If you are interested in serving on the MBRC write a letter explaining why you 
feel you meet the qualifications stated above. Please send this letter directly 
to me at scott__terry AT hotmail.com (two underscores in a row). The membership 
decisions will take place at our winter meeting in December and you will be 
informed shortly after. 

Please spread this message through other email lists and social media. We hope 
to hear back from many of you, we know there are a lot of highly skilled 
birders in Michigan. If you have any questions please email me privately. 

Thank you for your time.  
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Subject: Re: Red Phalarope New Buffalo Sunday
From: matthysell AT comcast.net
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 13:14:00 +0000 (UTC)
the phalaropes in New Buffalo harbor were gone yesterday but the one (along 
with 2 Franklins Gulls) at 3 Oaks (Schwark Rd) water treatment ponds was still 
there yesterday 

  
Matt 

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Subject: [Mich-listers] Red Phalarope New Buffalo Sunday 

John Kendall relayed to me the message that Mike Bourdan photographed a Red 
Phalarope at New Buffalo in Berrien County on Sunday November 9th and posted on 
the photos on Facebook. 


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Subject: Re: Costa's
From: Karen Sitts <ados100000 AT hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 12:19:30 -0500
Jeremy, the Costa's was reported on Nov. 9th still at the same address in 
Onekama. 


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> I finally got a weekend off from work!  Does anyone know if the Costa's
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Subject: Red Phalarope New Buffalo Sunday
From: Karl Overman <martineoverman AT earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 07:48:10 -0500
John Kendall relayed to me the message that Mike Bourdan photographed a Red 
Phalarope at New Buffalo in Berrien County on Sunday November 9th and posted on 
the photos on Facebook. 


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Subject: Re: Costa's Hummingbird
From: Jeremy Joswick <jeremy.joswick AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 11:41:39 -0500
I finally got a weekend off from work!  Does anyone know if the Costa's
Hummingbird is still around in Onekama?  Any responses would be greatly
appreciated.

On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Laurence Burke  wrote:

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> The bird is still present at 8160 5th St. in Onekama.
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Subject: Fwd: Re: [BBCBirds] Red Phalarope&Franklin's Gull-3 oaks
From: "Myles F. McNally" <mcnally AT alma.edu>
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 09:15:58 -0500 (EST)
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Subject: Re: [BBCBirds] Red Phalarope&Franklin's Gull-3 oaks

Both present now.

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Subject: [BBCBirds] Red Phalarope&Franklin's Gull-3 oaks

Birders, 
Andre Moncrieff just called me to report a Red Phalarope as well as a 
Franklin's Gull at 3 oaks sewage ponds this evening. 

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Subject: Pacific Loon ~ from yesterday
From: Marc North <northm24 AT me.com>
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2014 13:31:42 -0500
Yesterday Elliot Nelson and I observed the small loon for about a half hour 
that was probably the Pacific Loon reported by Tom Hince early that day. I'm 
not convinced that this is a Pacific Loon, here are my field observations: 


Small loon compared to the numerous COLO seen all over the lake, seen within 
two feet of RBGU and COGO for good size analysis. Bird was either a juvenile or 
non-breeding plumage. Bird had a dark slender bill, dark back of the head and 
back of the neck, dark back that contained some (not so obvious) white 
speckling. Bird had extensive white flanks at rest. Bird did have a very faint 
and somewhat unconvincing "chin strap". This bird's plumage was smudgy and very 
transitional looking. I did not notice any smokey gray, cobra head, or obvious 
chin strap on this bird. 

Elliot's field notes can corroborate these observations I'm sure. It would be 
very beneficial to try to relocate the bird and get some decent pictures. It 
was over by the north cattail area viewed from Eastwood beach looking north. I 
can't get back over there until Tuesday. 


I'm not saying it's not a PALO it's just not an ez ID in my opinion.

Bird hard,

Marc V. North
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Subject: Tern at Lake St. Clair metro park 11/8
From: Sean Williams <seanbirder AT gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 13:25:05 -0500
Pam Rasmussen just called to say she was looking at a tern flying around over 
the water, seen from the shelter between the playground area and golf course. 
The tern had a mostly dark cap, extending onto the back of the head, a small, 
black bill and a rounded head. She did say it had a darker line near the wrist 
area of the upperwing, but I'm not sure exactly where she said and how dark it 
was. She said the primaries were noticeably darker than the secondaries, but 
wasn't sure if the trailing edge of the secondaries was white. 


Also one Little Gull was present with the Bonaparte's. 

Good luck,
Sean


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Dept. of Zoology
Michigan State University
East Lansing, MI 48823
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Subject: message from Shiawassee NWR
From: Adam Byrne <byrnea AT msu.edu>
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2014 08:39:40 -0500
>"Shiawassee National Wildlife Refuge does not allow public access on 
>the Auto Tour/Wildlife Drive route once the drive is posted closed 
>for the season.  This means it is also closed to hikers and bikers 
>during the closed season.  Refuge access is by hiking trails 
>only.  Hikers are reminded they must stay on the trails.  Ambrose 
>Road is not a legal access site to the refuge, with the exception of 
>deer hunters with a refuge permit."
>
>Failure to abide by posted signs will lead to a federal 
>citation.  Questions can be directed to Refuge Headquarters at 6975 
>Mower Road, Saginaw MI 48601 or by calling the office at (989) 777-5930."
>
>
>Thank you, let me know if you have any questions.
>
>[]
>
>Ryan Pauly
>Federal Wildlife Officer
>United States Fish and Wildlife Service
>6975 Mower Road
>Saginaw, Michigan 48601

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Subject: Pacific Loon - Macomb County - Yes
From: Brian McGee <kingbird18 AT gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 19:25:28 -0500
The Pacific Loon was still present on Stony Creek Lake at 5:30 PM between
Eastwood Beach and the South dam.

Brian McGee
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Subject: Gray Kingbird is OFF LIMITS - please respect the refuge rules!!!
From: Adam Byrne <byrnea AT msu.edu>
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2014 19:04:58 -0500
Birders,

Apparently there remains confusion regarding birding options at 
Shiawassee National Wildlife Refuge.  Let's try to end the confusion 
right now and not enter areas of the refuge that are closed.

The Ferguson Bayou trail is open, on occasion, but that does not get 
one to the area where the Gray Kingbird can be found.  That trail 
ends at the Grefe Tower, but the kingbird can't be seen from 
there.  To do get to the kingbird, one needs to be on the auto drive, 
which is officially closed to all use.  Individuals are not allowed 
to walk, bike, or drive on the auto tour when it is closed.  Here's 
an email I just received from Eric Dunton, the refuge biologist 
mentioned earlier:


"There obviously was confusion from the individual I talked to 
yesterday. I told her that when the auto tour is open you can walk on 
it. For example, park at grefe tour and walk on the Ferguson bayou. 
The individual I talked to yesterday acknowledged that. But I did say 
the auto tour is closed and it is not a hiking trail when the drive 
is closed. Would it help if I had our law enforcement officer write 
an email that could be posted on the list serve related to access to 
the refuge? Those who are hiking/birding/biking right now are in 
violation and can be cited."


Please carefully note the portion that states 
"hiking/birding/biking....are in violation and can be cited".  The 
efforts of those to point this out previously were done to avoid 
having birders violate the refuge rules.  After this email, I surely 
hope nobody is looking for gray areas to these rules - THERE ARE NO 
CIRCUMSTANCES THAT ALLOW ANY USE OF THE AUTO TOUR.

Tomorrow, one of the enforcement officers plans to send me an email 
to post to the listserves, I'll post it as soon as I can.  In the 
meantime, please do not violate these rules, either innocently or 
intentionally!

Good birding,

Adam M. Byrne


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Subject: Gray Kingbird at Shiawassee
From: suzwright2 AT aol.com
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 17:11:19 -0500
Just returned from looking at the Gray Kingbird this afternoon. After looking 
at the website for Shiawassee NWR and checking out their closure dates and 
times, I called yesterday and spoke with Eric in their office to confirm that 
it WAS open today and he confirmed that. So Mary Trombley and I arrived at the 
same location that it was seen last week about 1:15 pm and located it right 
away. After watching and photographing it for a while, we went on to the tower 
and checked out the ducks. The kingbird was still in the area when we left 
about 2:30 pm. It appears in good shape, and is doing a lot of flycatching 
forays. 


According to Eric, and their website, this session of deer hunting is over 
until later in the month. The goose hunt is still going on, but it is until 
1:00 on Tues, Thurs, Sat, and Sun. Otherwise, the area is accessible. 


Sue Wright
Milford, MI
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Subject: Costa's Hummingbird
From: Laurence Burke <lmburke49 AT gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 11:46:52 -0500
The bird is still present at 8160 5th St. in Onekama.

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Subject: Pacific loon macomb
From: Tom Hince <peleetom AT primus.ca>
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 11:45:19 -0500
At stony lake in middle of lake preening. This is a metro park
Tom

Tom Hince
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Subject: Costa's Hummingbird, Manistee Co.
From: Brian <tanager AT manistee.com>
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2014 10:36:03 -0500
The Costa's Hummingbird is presently at the feeders at the Joslyn's 
house on 5th St. in Onekama.  Jan said it seems to have increased its' 
activity in the last two days.

BA
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Subject: Re: Pomarine jaeger Macomb now
From: Tom Hince <peleetom AT primus.ca>
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 14:12:45 -0500
Tom Heatley Brandon Aho and I just watched the bird for about twenty minutes 
until in flew inland to the west at height. I'm guessing it's almost certainly 
gone. 


Tom Hince
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Wheatley, ON
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> Off pier at Brandenburg park
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Subject: Pomarine jaeger Macomb now
From: Tom Hince <peleetom AT primus.ca>
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 13:00:11 -0500
Off pier at Brandenburg park

Tom Hince
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Wheatley, ON
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Subject: Costa's continues
From: John Lowry <john AT kingbird.org>
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 12:07:43 -0500
Just saw and photographed at stakeout feeder in Onekama.  Awesome. 

John Lowry
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Subject: Re: Lark sparrow --NO
From: birdeland AT comcast.net
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 01:31:55 +0000 (UTC)
Sorry to say Brandenburg Park was "closed temporarily" today PM when we 
arrived. Looks like they were blacktopping the parking area. Sigh! another 
Macomb county bird I missed out on .:( 


Russ Emmons, St. Clair county. 

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Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:47:00 AM 
Subject: [Mich-listers] Lark sparrow yes 

Just heard that the bird is still present at Brandenburg this morning. Now in 
small cluster of three or four pines north of playground. Still spending lots 
of time just sitting quietly. 

Tom 

Tom Hince 
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Wheatley, ON 
Canada 
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Subject: Correction Snow Geese. Roscommon County
From: Greg Bodker <lbodker AT hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 18:46:37 +0000
Correction.   Snow geese.   Sorry for the confusion.
 On Houghton Lake near shore. Lakeview Park. M55 and Tower Hill Rd. One blue 
and one white morph. 1235 pm. 5-Nov. 




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> Subject: [Mich-listers] Ross' Goose-roscommon County
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> On Houghton Lake near shore. Lakeview Park. M55 and Tower Hill Rd. One blue 
and one white morph. 1235 pm. 5-Nov. 

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Subject: Ross' Goose-roscommon County
From: Greg Bodker <lbodker AT hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 17:40:31 +0000
On Houghton Lake near shore. Lakeview Park. M55 and Tower Hill Rd. One blue and 
one white morph. 1235 pm. 5-Nov. 


Note- tried mich-chat first. Email bounced.  

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Subject: Greater White-fronted Goose - Shiawassee Co
From: Steve Santner <sjsantner10 AT gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 08:15:06 -0800
There is a Greater White-fronted Goose on the pond at the corner of
Garrison and Leland Rds.  It was with about 50 Canada Geese.  This spot is
near Laingsburg in the western part of the county.

Steve Santner
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Subject: Lark sparrow yes
From: Tom Hince <peleetom AT primus.ca>
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 11:47:00 -0500
Just heard that the bird is still present at Brandenburg this morning. Now in 
small cluster of three or four pines north of playground. Still spending lots 
of time just sitting quietly. 

Tom

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Subject: Costa's Hummingbird
From: Thomas Wheeker <tom.wheeker AT gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 11:38:34 -0500
Still there 11:30 on November 5. 

Tom Wheeker

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Subject: Costa's Hummingbird was still present this afternoon, 11/4/14
From: Markwlo AT aol.com
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 18:12:09 -0500
The Costa's Hummingbird was still visiting the feeders in Onekama  today.  
Photos posted at http://mostlybirdsbutnotalways.blogspot.com/
 
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Subject: Re: Costa's Hummingbird still present in Onekama.
From: Mike Petrucha <mepetrucha AT hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 14:19:11 -0500
The bird was last seen about 2:15 pm.

Mike Petrucha


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Subject: [Mich-listers] Costa's Hummingbird still present in Onekama.


Bird is still there. Coming to feeder about every 10 minutes. Last seen about 
11:00 am. 


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Subject: Macomb. Lark sparrow continues 12:30 pm
From: Scott Jennex <cccta AT aol.com>
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2014 12:35:28 -0500
Park across the road and walk in. Bird is feeding on ground by picnic shelter 
and splashpad 


Jennex
Hoch
Poronto


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Subject: Costa's Hummingbird still present in Onekama.
From: Kevin Thomas <brambling AT juno.com>
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2014 11:17:38 -0500
Bird is still there. Coming to feeder about every 10 minutes. Last seen about 
11:00 am.  


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Subject: Lark sparrow macomb 10 am
From: Tom Hince <peleetom AT primus.ca>
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 10:12:04 -0500
Bird sill present just before 10 am. Spends long periods of time sitting 
quietly high in two large exotic pines on west side of tennis courts. Hanging 
with a female house finch. Comes down periodically. 

Tom

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Subject: Costa's Hummingbird, Little Gull, Manistee County
From: Brian <tanager AT manistee.com>
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2014 09:38:06 -0500
Just heard that the Costa's Hummingbird is back at the feeder in Onekama 
this morning following yesterdays' banding.

Linda Scribner just had an adult Little Gull at 5th Ave. beach in 
Manistee, the second Little Gull of the week here after the first cycle 
bird seen last Sunday.

BA
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Subject: Lark sparrow
From: Tom Hince <peleetom AT primus.ca>
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 08:00:39 -0500
Now Brandenburg park macomb co by tennis court north side. Please stay well 
away from ongoing construction. 

Tom

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Subject: Way too many inappropriate messages on mich-listers
From: Karl Overman <martineoverman AT earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 21:15:30 -0500
Mich-listers is not a chat site. If you have complaints about the conduct of 
other birders say it on Face Book or your blog and not here. Mich-listers is 
about reporting--not inquiring about--rare and uncommon birds in Michigan. Even 
mentioning that Shiawassee was closed is borderline to me for this site but 
given the inevitable interest in such a mega rarity as the Gray Kingbird, it 
seemed appropriate to me. Given the cascade of inappropriate comments that 
followed from that thread maybe even that post should not have been allowed. If 
you want to inquire about whether a particular bird is around you could use 
mich-chat but not mich-listers. If you want to post something that is not 
reporting an appropriately rare/uncommon bird, clear it through me first. I 
have made exceptions in the past and I will surely make exceptions in the 
future. 


No more about Shiawassee closure issues.

Karl Overman
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Subject: Re: Shiawassee: "Many people hunting in there, " but folks with binoculars excluded? (EOM)
From: Klein Douglas <DouglasKlein AT aegislimited.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 00:01:52 +0000
Yes, Jerome,

To everything there is a season. A time to bird, and a time to hunt. Give the 
hunters use of the refuge a few weeks out of the year. You can bird there most 
of the year. 


Doug Klein
Hastings

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[mailto:mich-listers-bounces AT envirolink.org] On Behalf Of Hoganson Jerome 

Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 6:28 PM
To: Marc North
Cc: mich-listers AT envirolink.org
Subject: [Mich-listers] Shiawassee: "Many people hunting in there, " but folks 
with binoculars excluded? (EOM) 



Jerome Hoganson
Arlington, VA



On Nov 2, 2014, at 9:04 PM, Marc North wrote:

> Birders,
> 
> The morning of Oct. 31 Adam, Caleb, and myself met Steve at the Gray Kingbird 
location and talked to him in great detail on both the hours/days of operation 
and the rules of the trails and auto tour. 

> 
> The auto tour is officially closed as of Oct. 31. The link below shows the 
end date of Oct. 25 so obviously they flexed it a little at the end of season 
(lucky us). 

> http://www.fws.gov/uploadedFiles/WildlifeDriveFAQ_2013_wmap(3).pdf
> 
> The rules for the auto tour if it was open (It is NOT) but if it were:
> 
> "After the gate is open you can walk on the road of the auto tour."
> 
> The trails are open as follows:
> http://www.fws.gov/uploadedFiles/trail_closure_14.pdf
> 
> This however does not benefit you in the slightest to find this bird because 
since the auto tour is closed, the only way to see this bird as of Oct. 31 is 
to break the rules and regulations of the refuge. 

> 
> Besides giving the community of birders a bad name there is a greater reason 
to not do this, Safety, as of November 1, 2014 there are many people hunting in 
there. I assure you that this is pretty much from Steve directly. Thanks 

> 
> Bird hard,
> 
> Marc V. North
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Subject: Shiawassee: "Many people hunting in there, " but folks with binoculars excluded? (EOM)
From: Hoganson Jerome <barbnjerry AT earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 18:28:07 -0500
Jerome Hoganson
Arlington, VA



On Nov 2, 2014, at 9:04 PM, Marc North wrote:

> Birders,
> 
> The morning of Oct. 31 Adam, Caleb, and myself met Steve at the Gray Kingbird 
location and talked to him in great detail on both the hours/days of operation 
and the rules of the trails and auto tour. 

> 
> The auto tour is officially closed as of Oct. 31. The link below shows the 
end date of Oct. 25 so obviously they flexed it a little at the end of season 
(lucky us). 

> http://www.fws.gov/uploadedFiles/WildlifeDriveFAQ_2013_wmap(3).pdf
> 
> The rules for the auto tour if it was open (It is NOT) but if it were:
> 
> "After the gate is open you can walk on the road of the auto tour."
> 
> The trails are open as follows:
> http://www.fws.gov/uploadedFiles/trail_closure_14.pdf
> 
> This however does not benefit you in the slightest to find this bird because 
since the auto tour is closed, the only way to see this bird as of Oct. 31 is 
to break the rules and regulations of the refuge. 

> 
> Besides giving the community of birders a bad name there is a greater reason 
to not do this, Safety, as of November 1, 2014 there are many people hunting in 
there. I assure you that this is pretty much from Steve directly. Thanks 

> 
> Bird hard,
> 
> Marc V. North
> northm24 AT gmail.com
> northm24 AT me.com
> 989-928-4551
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Subject: Scissor -tailed Flycatcher
From: Larry Abraham <larrysvas AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 16:22:06 -0500
We are trying for the Hummer tomorrow.   BUT, has anyone seen the
Scissor-tailed Flycatcher recently?   We want to try for that one as well
since we will be in the area.  Thanks for any info on it.
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Subject: Re: Costa's
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 13:57:35 -0500
All measurements were consistent with pure Costa's. Four crown feathers
were dull red and almost certainly first cycle vs. most of the other gorget
feathers which were clearly growing in. Adult tail was completely
consistent with Costa's, and were adult type. The bird returned to the
feeder within minutes of release and has resumed its previous feeding
schedule.

Allen T. Chartier
Email: amazilia3 AT gmail..com
Hummer website: www.amazilia.net/MIHummerNet
Photos: www.amazilia.net
Blog: www.mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com
Sent from my Droid
On Nov 3, 2014 12:47 PM, "Brian Allen"  wrote:

> Confirmed as Costa's , not a hybrid according to Allen Chartier just
> banded!
>
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Subject: Costa's
From: Brian Allen <tanager AT manistee.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 12:47:41 -0500
Confirmed as Costa's , not a hybrid according to Allen Chartier just banded!

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Subject: Costa's Hummingbird
From: Gerald Ziarno <gziarno AT aol.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 10:54:17 -0500
Still being seen this morning at 10:30 am about every 10 minutes at same 
Onekema location in Manistee County. 


Jerry Ziarno

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Subject: Shiawassee National Wildlife trail schedule closure schedule
From: Larry Abraham <larrysvas AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 07:47:03 -0500
HI all......

  The Ferguson Bayou Tail at SNWR  is CLOSED with the following schedule.
This is on their website.   It is also POSTED on signs at the beginning of
the trail in the parking lot.  This sign has been there for 2 weeks now.
The Ferguson Bayou Trail leads out to  the Grefe Tower and back only.


Nov 01, 2014 - Nov 06, 2014

Nov 15, 2014 - Nov 18, 2014

Nov 20, 2014 - Nov 24, 2014

Nov 26, 2014 - Nov 30, 2014

Dec 06, 2014 -Dec 19, 2014

Dec 23, 2014 - Jan 01, 2015
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Subject: Costa's Hummingbird - Monday 7:10 Yes
From: Andy Dettling <dendroica AT sbcglobal.net>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 07:10:49 -0500
Present

Andy Dettling

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 1, 2014, at 8:19 PM, Brian Allen  wrote:
> 
> To view the Costa's Hummingbird in Onekama from M-22 park at the village 
library on the east end of Portage Lake. The library is right across the road 
from the EZMart Marathon gas station on the corner of 5th St. And M-22. Walk up 
5th St. 4 houses up (east). The hummer is at Ron and Jan Joslyn's house 8160 
5th St. The house is stone sided, on the north or left side of the street and 
has an asphalt driveway. View the only feeder and the water bath on the deck 
and the back yard from there. Keep distance between you and the feeders so the 
bird is not discouraged from feeding. Please sign the guest log book on the 
table next to the house and thank the Joslyns for letting us view and enjoy 
this rare bird. 

> 
> BA
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Subject: Re: Costa's Hummingbird
From: Karen Sitts <ados100000 AT hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 22:47:30 -0500
Still at same home in Onekema as of 5:50 pm. Per homeowner the bird will be 
banded tomorrow or Tuesday, I believe by the Audubon Society. 


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>    1.  Gray Kingbird (Paul Revard)
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>    3.  Shiawassee (Paul Revard)
>    4. Re:  Gray Kingbird (Chris Mccreedy)
>    5. Re:  Gray Kingbird (Dixie Burkhart)
>    6. Re:  Gray Kingbird (C or M Johnstone)
>    7. Re:  Gray Kingbird (thegarlicks tds.net)
>    8.  Costa's Hummingbird (Darrell Lawson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 12:23:19 -0500
> From: Paul Revard 
> Subject: [Mich-listers] Gray Kingbird
> To: "mich-listers AT envirolink.org" 
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> Gray Kingbird is still present as of 10:00am today. I walked in and it takes 
about one hour to reach its' location. 

> 
> Paul Revard
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 13:30:49 -0500
> From: Brad Murphy 
> Subject: Re: [Mich-listers] Gray Kingbird
> To: Paul Revard 
> Cc: "mich-listers AT envirolink.org" 
> Message-ID: <02080D20-AAA9-42D0-9DF7-322163932659 AT gmail.com>
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> 
> Seriously?!?!
> 
> I think we've all probably done something at one point or another that we 
shouldn't have but unless you've been living in a cave, there is NO access to 
the Gray Kingbird as of October 31st. 

> 
> I'm sure the offenders want to justify their actions but there isn't any. We 
have all been informed multiple times that the refuge is closed to birders. If 
you missed the bird, sorry. 

> 
> I can send email, smoke signals, write it in hieroglyphics, or any other 
obscure way of getting the message out there upon request. 

> 
> Ridiculous....
> 
> Brad Murphy
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Nov 2, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Paul Revard  wrote:
> > 
> > Gray Kingbird is still present as of 10:00am today. I walked in and it 
takes about one hour to reach its' location. 

> > 
> > Paul Revard
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 13:58:43 -0500
> From: Paul Revard 
> Subject: [Mich-listers] Shiawassee
> To: Mich-listers AT envirolink.org
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> My apologies. I was totally unaware that the refuge was closed to all traffic 
to birding. I did not see any postings and there were a few cars in the lot so 
I assumed that only the 

> auto tour route was closed. If I had known, I definitely would not have gone 
in. Again, I apologize for the misstep and confusion. 

> 
> Paul
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 14:51:09 -0500
> From: Chris Mccreedy 
> Subject: Re: [Mich-listers] Gray Kingbird
> To: Brad Murphy 
> Cc: "mich-listers AT envirolink.org" 
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii
> 
> Brad, 
> 
> Take a step back. Chu's recent post can be read that the drive can be just 
closed to automobiles, it was what I thought when I read it the other day--my 
reaction was 'dang, I wish I had time to walk in'. My wife might be a firm 
believer that I live in a cave, and while I enjoy taunting birders that 
trespass for ticks, still, I do not know all the myriad access rules to various 
sites in MI. Coming from the interior West, refuges or parts of refuges are 
occasionally closed 24/7 year round, but I am unaccustomed to seasonal access 
issues that I have come across in MI and do not know them all by heart. If 
someone purposefully broke the rules then no excuses, but then who would do 
that and then post about it? Perhaps the area is very clearly signed, if so, a 
message re: read the signs! can be achieved without your pedantry. 

> 
> McCreedy
> Ann Arbor
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Nov 2, 2014, at 13:30, Brad Murphy  wrote:
> > 
> > Seriously?!?!
> > 
> > I think we've all probably done something at one point or another that we 
shouldn't have but unless you've been living in a cave, there is NO access to 
the Gray Kingbird as of October 31st. 

> > 
> > I'm sure the offenders want to justify their actions but there isn't any. 
We have all been informed multiple times that the refuge is closed to birders. 
If you missed the bird, sorry. 

> > 
> > I can send email, smoke signals, write it in hieroglyphics, or any other 
obscure way of getting the message out there upon request. 

> > 
> > Ridiculous....
> > 
> > Brad Murphy
> > 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On Nov 2, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Paul Revard  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Gray Kingbird is still present as of 10:00am today. I walked in and it 
takes about one hour to reach its' location. 

> >> 
> >> Paul Revard
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 14:59:15 -0500
> From: Dixie Burkhart 
> Subject: Re: [Mich-listers] Gray Kingbird
> Cc: "mich-listers AT envirolink.org" 
> Message-ID: <039BE78A-038F-4BB2-8522-28FB50F45205 AT aol.com>
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> 
> I thought it was just closed to autos, also, from the original post. 
> 
> Bird on.
> 
> Dixie Burkhart
> Van Buren County
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On Nov 2, 2014, at 2:51 PM, Chris Mccreedy  wrote:
> > 
> > Brad, 
> > 
> > Take a step back. Chu's recent post can be read that the drive can be just 
closed to automobiles, it was what I thought when I read it the other day--my 
reaction was 'dang, I wish I had time to walk in'. My wife might be a firm 
believer that I live in a cave, and while I enjoy taunting birders that 
trespass for ticks, still, I do not know all the myriad access rules to various 
sites in MI. Coming from the interior West, refuges or parts of refuges are 
occasionally closed 24/7 year round, but I am unaccustomed to seasonal access 
issues that I have come across in MI and do not know them all by heart. If 
someone purposefully broke the rules then no excuses, but then who would do 
that and then post about it? Perhaps the area is very clearly signed, if so, a 
message re: read the signs! can be achieved without your pedantry. 

> > 
> > McCreedy
> > Ann Arbor
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On Nov 2, 2014, at 13:30, Brad Murphy  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Seriously?!?!
> >> 
> >> I think we've all probably done something at one point or another that we 
shouldn't have but unless you've been living in a cave, there is NO access to 
the Gray Kingbird as of October 31st. 

> >> 
> >> I'm sure the offenders want to justify their actions but there isn't any. 
We have all been informed multiple times that the refuge is closed to birders. 
If you missed the bird, sorry. 

> >> 
> >> I can send email, smoke signals, write it in hieroglyphics, or any other 
obscure way of getting the message out there upon request. 

> >> 
> >> Ridiculous....
> >> 
> >> Brad Murphy
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >>> On Nov 2, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Paul Revard  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Gray Kingbird is still present as of 10:00am today. I walked in and it 
takes about one hour to reach its' location. 

> >>> 
> >>> Paul Revard
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 15:06:57 -0500
> From: "C or M Johnstone" 
> Subject: Re: [Mich-listers] Gray Kingbird
> To: "Dixie Burkhart" 
> Cc: mich-listers AT envirolink.org
> Message-ID: <4685E85C05A843B48132336097823AA3 AT MattPC>
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> 
> I was under the impression from the beginning that the area was closed to 
> all entry - foot, motor vehicle, drone, whatever.  At this point, let's give 
> the benefit of the doubt to those who may have thought otherwise and made an 
> honest mistake, but give no quarter to any further transgressions.  Matt
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dixie Burkhart" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 2:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mich-listers] Gray Kingbird
> 
> 
> >I thought it was just closed to autos, also, from the original post.
> >
> > Bird on.
> >
> > Dixie Burkhart
> > Van Buren County
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Nov 2, 2014, at 2:51 PM, Chris Mccreedy  wrote:
> >>
> >> Brad,
> >>
> >> Take a step back. Chu's recent post can be read that the drive can be 
> >> just closed to automobiles, it was what I thought when I read it the 
> >> other day--my reaction was 'dang, I wish I had time to walk in'. My wife 
> >> might be a firm believer that I live in a cave, and while I enjoy 
> >> taunting birders that trespass for ticks, still, I do not know all the 
> >> myriad access rules to various sites in MI.  Coming from the interior 
> >> West, refuges or parts of refuges are occasionally closed 24/7 year 
> >> round, but I am unaccustomed to seasonal access issues that I have come 
> >> across in MI and do not know them all by heart.  If someone purposefully 
> >> broke the rules then no excuses, but then who would do that and then post 
> >> about it?  Perhaps the area is very clearly signed, if so, a message re: 
> >> read the signs! can be achieved without your pedantry.
> >>
> >> McCreedy
> >> Ann Arbor
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Nov 2, 2014, at 13:30, Brad Murphy  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Seriously?!?!
> >>>
> >>> I think we've all probably done something at one point or another that 
> >>> we shouldn't have but unless you've been living in a cave, there is NO 
> >>> access to the Gray Kingbird as of October 31st.
> >>>
> >>> I'm sure the offenders want to justify their actions but there isn't 
> >>> any. We have all been informed multiple times that the refuge is closed 
> >>> to birders.  If you missed the bird,  sorry.
> >>>
> >>> I can send email, smoke signals, write it in hieroglyphics, or any other 
> >>> obscure way of getting the message out there upon request.
> >>>
> >>> Ridiculous....
> >>>
> >>> Brad Murphy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Nov 2, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Paul Revard  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Gray Kingbird is still present as of 10:00am today. I walked in and it 
> >>>> takes about one hour to reach its' location.
> >>>>
> >>>> Paul Revard
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 16:17:06 -0500
> From: "thegarlicks tds.net" 
> Subject: Re: [Mich-listers] Gray Kingbird
> To: Chris Mccreedy 
> Cc: "mich-listers AT envirolink.org" 
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> 
> I've had severe modem problems, thus very irregular internet contact, for
> several days now.  I've missed a lot of notices I wish I'd gotten in time.
> We can't assume that everyone is completely tuned into the local networks
> all the time.  I don't see why it's a problem to keep reiterating this
> message if 'violations' continue to occur.  I'm also  wondering if there is
> an obvious sign at this location?
> 
> --Diane Garlick
> Augusta  (but living in a cave, lately)
> 
> On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Chris Mccreedy 
> wrote:
> 
> > Brad,
> >
> > Take a step back. Chu's recent post can be read that the drive can be just
> > closed to automobiles, it was what I thought when I read it the other
> > day--my reaction was 'dang, I wish I had time to walk in'. My wife might be
> > a firm believer that I live in a cave, and while I enjoy taunting birders
> > that trespass for ticks, still, I do not know all the myriad access rules
> > to various sites in MI.  Coming from the interior West, refuges or parts of
> > refuges are occasionally closed 24/7 year round, but I am unaccustomed to
> > seasonal access issues that I have come across in MI and do not know them
> > all by heart.  If someone purposefully broke the rules then no excuses, but
> > then who would do that and then post about it?  Perhaps the area is very
> > clearly signed, if so, a message re: read the signs! can be achieved
> > without your pedantry.
> >
> > McCreedy
> > Ann Arbor
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Nov 2, 2014, at 13:30, Brad Murphy  wrote:
> > >
> > > Seriously?!?!
> > >
> > > I think we've all probably done something at one point or another that
> > we shouldn't have but unless you've been living in a cave, there is NO
> > access to the Gray Kingbird as of October 31st.
> > >
> > > I'm sure the offenders want to justify their actions but there isn't
> > any. We have all been informed multiple times that the refuge is closed to
> > birders.  If you missed the bird,  sorry.
> > >
> > > I can send email, smoke signals, write it in hieroglyphics, or any other
> > obscure way of getting the message out there upon request.
> > >
> > > Ridiculous....
> > >
> > > Brad Murphy
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Nov 2, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Paul Revard  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Gray Kingbird is still present as of 10:00am today. I walked in and it
> > takes about one hour to reach its' location.
> > >>
> > >> Paul Revard
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 16:31:23 -0500
> From: Darrell Lawson 
> Subject: [Mich-listers] Costa's Hummingbird
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> As of 4:30PM the Costa's Hummingbird is still present at the previously
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Subject: Info on Shiawassee directly from Steve
From: Marc North <northm24 AT me.com>
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2014 21:04:45 -0500
Birders,

The morning of Oct. 31 Adam, Caleb, and myself met Steve at the Gray Kingbird 
location and talked to him in great detail on both the hours/days of operation 
and the rules of the trails and auto tour. 


The auto tour is officially closed as of Oct. 31. The link below shows the end 
date of Oct. 25 so obviously they flexed it a little at the end of season 
(lucky us). 

http://www.fws.gov/uploadedFiles/WildlifeDriveFAQ_2013_wmap(3).pdf

The rules for the auto tour if it was open (It is NOT) but if it were:

"After the gate is open you can walk on the road of the auto tour."

The trails are open as follows:
http://www.fws.gov/uploadedFiles/trail_closure_14.pdf

This however does not benefit you in the slightest to find this bird because 
since the auto tour is closed, the only way to see this bird as of Oct. 31 is 
to break the rules and regulations of the refuge. 


Besides giving the community of birders a bad name there is a greater reason to 
not do this, Safety, as of November 1, 2014 there are many people hunting in 
there. I assure you that this is pretty much from Steve directly. Thanks 


Bird hard,

Marc V. North
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Subject: Re: Gray Kingbird
From: Tom Gass <tdg734 AT yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 17:56:14 -0800
When I arrived at the main SNWR parking area off Curtis Road on Saturday 
afternoon there were no signs posted that foot traffic into the refuge was 
prohibited. The auto tour gate was locked as expected but there were a half 
dozen cars parked in the lot and I saw two hikers heading off on the trail and 
another gentleman getting ready to enter on a mountain bike. It seemed obvious 
to me that the refuge was open to foot traffic. Remorseless, I entered the 
refuge on foot and after a long hike tracked down the Gray Kingbird. Think 
about it folks, would I knowingly trespass into the refuge and then post the 
sighting to Mich List? 


To be honest I figured the closure of the auto route was a seasonal concern, 
reduce maintenance costs on the road or perhaps the gate open/closer's job was 
seasonal and expired for the year. A simple sign, perhaps right next to the 
nice one that indicates all of the acceptable ways to enjoy the refuge 
including birdwatching, that the refuge was closed for the season effective 
Nov. 1, or only open to hunters by permit such as we see at Pte. Mouillee every 
year, is all it would have taken to stop me and other responsible users from 
entering. There was no sign posted, other refuge enjoyers were present, and 
there were no sights or sounds of hunters at any time during my visit. So by 
entering I feel I made no mistake whatsoever. 


For the obvious reasons stated in other posts, the SNWR Facebook page or even 
this listserve are insufficient for communicating the status of the refuge. Put 
up a sign SNWR!.... All of the replies chastising that we should have known 
better are ridiculous. 


Happy Trails!

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 11/2/14, thegarlicks tds.net  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Mich-listers] Gray Kingbird
 To: "Chris Mccreedy" 
 Cc: "mich-listers AT envirolink.org" 
 Date: Sunday, November 2, 2014, 4:17 PM
 
 I've had severe modem
 problems, thus very irregular internet contact, for
 several days now. I've missed a lot of
 notices I wish I'd gotten in time.
 We
 can't assume that everyone is completely tuned into the
 local networks
 all the time. I don't
 see why it's a problem to keep reiterating this
 message if 'violations' continue to
 occur. I'm also wondering if there is
 an obvious sign at this location?
 
 --Diane Garlick
 Augusta (but living in a cave, lately)
 
 On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 2:51
 PM, Chris Mccreedy 
 wrote:
 
 >
 Brad,
 >
 > Take a step
 back. Chu's recent post can be read that the drive can
 be just
 > closed to automobiles, it was
 what I thought when I read it the other
 >
 day--my reaction was 'dang, I wish I had time to walk
 in'. My wife might be
 > a firm
 believer that I live in a cave, and while I enjoy taunting
 birders
 > that trespass for ticks, still,
 I do not know all the myriad access rules
 > to various sites in MI. Coming from the
 interior West, refuges or parts of
 >
 refuges are occasionally closed 24/7 year round, but I am
 unaccustomed to
 > seasonal access issues
 that I have come across in MI and do not know them
 > all by heart. If someone purposefully
 broke the rules then no excuses, but
 >
 then who would do that and then post about it? Perhaps the
 area is very
 > clearly signed, if so, a
 message re: read the signs! can be achieved
 > without your pedantry.
 >
 > McCreedy
 > Ann Arbor
 >
 > Sent from my iPhone
 >
 > > On Nov 2, 2014,
 at 13:30, Brad Murphy 
 wrote:
 > >
 > >
 Seriously?!?!
 > >
 >
 > I think we've all probably done something at one
 point or another that
 > we shouldn't
 have but unless you've been living in a cave, there is
 NO
 > access to the Gray Kingbird as of
 October 31st.
 > >
 >
 > I'm sure the offenders want to justify their
 actions but there isn't
 > any. We
 have all been informed multiple times that the refuge is
 closed to
 > birders. If you missed the
 bird, sorry.
 > >
 > > I can send email, smoke signals,
 write it in hieroglyphics, or any other
 >
 obscure way of getting the message out there upon
 request.
 > >
 > >
 Ridiculous....
 > >
 > > Brad Murphy
 >
 >
 > >
 > >
 Sent from my iPhone
 > >
 > >> On Nov 2, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Paul
 Revard 
 wrote:
 > >>
 >
 >> Gray Kingbird is still present as of 10:00am today.
 I walked in and it
 > takes about one hour
 to reach its' location.
 > >>
 > >> Paul Revard
 >
 >> Sent from my iPhone
 > >>
 _______________________________________________
 > >>
 > >>
 Mich-listers mailing list
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Subject: Re: Gray Kingbird
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 20:55:29 -0500
Apologies to the listowner for continuing this.

I emailed Steve Kahl yesterday to thank him for his part in opening the
wildlife drive earlier on Friday, and I got a bounced message that he was
out of the office until November 12.

Allen T. Chartier
Inkster, Michigan
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Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mihummingbirdguy/collections/
Website: www.amazilia.net
Blog: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/

On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Charlie Weaver  wrote:

> Will someone please call Steven F. Kahl,  Refuge Manager, (989-777-5930
> ext
> 16) in the morning and ask about the closure and then post it?
>
> Charlie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mich-listers-bounces AT envirolink.org
> [mailto:mich-listers-bounces AT envirolink.org] On Behalf Of thegarlicks
> tds.net
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 4:17 PM
> To: Chris Mccreedy
> Cc: mich-listers AT envirolink.org
> Subject: Re: [Mich-listers] Gray Kingbird
>
> I've had severe modem problems, thus very irregular internet contact, for
> several days now.  I've missed a lot of notices I wish I'd gotten in time.
> We can't assume that everyone is completely tuned into the local networks
> all the time.  I don't see why it's a problem to keep reiterating this
> message if 'violations' continue to occur.  I'm also  wondering if there is
> an obvious sign at this location?
>
> --Diane Garlick
> Augusta  (but living in a cave, lately)
>
> On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Chris Mccreedy 
> wrote:
>
> > Brad,
> >
> > Take a step back. Chu's recent post can be read that the drive can be
> just
> > closed to automobiles, it was what I thought when I read it the other
> > day--my reaction was 'dang, I wish I had time to walk in'. My wife might
> be
> > a firm believer that I live in a cave, and while I enjoy taunting birders
> > that trespass for ticks, still, I do not know all the myriad access rules
> > to various sites in MI.  Coming from the interior West, refuges or parts
> of
> > refuges are occasionally closed 24/7 year round, but I am unaccustomed to
> > seasonal access issues that I have come across in MI and do not know them
> > all by heart.  If someone purposefully broke the rules then no excuses,
> but
> > then who would do that and then post about it?  Perhaps the area is very
> > clearly signed, if so, a message re: read the signs! can be achieved
> > without your pedantry.
> >
> > McCreedy
> > Ann Arbor
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Nov 2, 2014, at 13:30, Brad Murphy  wrote:
> > >
> > > Seriously?!?!
> > >
> > > I think we've all probably done something at one point or another that
> > we shouldn't have but unless you've been living in a cave, there is NO
> > access to the Gray Kingbird as of October 31st.
> > >
> > > I'm sure the offenders want to justify their actions but there isn't
> > any. We have all been informed multiple times that the refuge is closed
> to
> > birders.  If you missed the bird,  sorry.
> > >
> > > I can send email, smoke signals, write it in hieroglyphics, or any
> other
> > obscure way of getting the message out there upon request.
> > >
> > > Ridiculous....
> > >
> > > Brad Murphy
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Nov 2, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Paul Revard 
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Gray Kingbird is still present as of 10:00am today. I walked in and it
> > takes about one hour to reach its' location.
> > >>
> > >> Paul Revard
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >>
> > >> Mich-listers mailing list
> > >> Mich-listers AT envirolink.org
> > >> You can unsubscribe or change your options at:
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Subject: Re: Gray Kingbird
From: "Charlie Weaver" <ctejedor AT copper.net>
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 20:28:15 -0500
Will someone please call Steven F. Kahl,  Refuge Manager, (989-777-5930 ext
16) in the morning and ask about the closure and then post it?

Charlie


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Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 4:17 PM
To: Chris Mccreedy
Cc: mich-listers AT envirolink.org
Subject: Re: [Mich-listers] Gray Kingbird

I've had severe modem problems, thus very irregular internet contact, for
several days now.  I've missed a lot of notices I wish I'd gotten in time.
We can't assume that everyone is completely tuned into the local networks
all the time.  I don't see why it's a problem to keep reiterating this
message if 'violations' continue to occur.  I'm also  wondering if there is
an obvious sign at this location?

--Diane Garlick
Augusta  (but living in a cave, lately)

On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Chris Mccreedy 
wrote:

> Brad,
>
> Take a step back. Chu's recent post can be read that the drive can be just
> closed to automobiles, it was what I thought when I read it the other
> day--my reaction was 'dang, I wish I had time to walk in'. My wife might
be
> a firm believer that I live in a cave, and while I enjoy taunting birders
> that trespass for ticks, still, I do not know all the myriad access rules
> to various sites in MI.  Coming from the interior West, refuges or parts
of
> refuges are occasionally closed 24/7 year round, but I am unaccustomed to
> seasonal access issues that I have come across in MI and do not know them
> all by heart.  If someone purposefully broke the rules then no excuses,
but
> then who would do that and then post about it?  Perhaps the area is very
> clearly signed, if so, a message re: read the signs! can be achieved
> without your pedantry.
>
> McCreedy
> Ann Arbor
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 2, 2014, at 13:30, Brad Murphy  wrote:
> >
> > Seriously?!?!
> >
> > I think we've all probably done something at one point or another that
> we shouldn't have but unless you've been living in a cave, there is NO
> access to the Gray Kingbird as of October 31st.
> >
> > I'm sure the offenders want to justify their actions but there isn't
> any. We have all been informed multiple times that the refuge is closed to
> birders.  If you missed the bird,  sorry.
> >
> > I can send email, smoke signals, write it in hieroglyphics, or any other
> obscure way of getting the message out there upon request.
> >
> > Ridiculous....
> >
> > Brad Murphy
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Nov 2, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Paul Revard  wrote:
> >>
> >> Gray Kingbird is still present as of 10:00am today. I walked in and it
> takes about one hour to reach its' location.
> >>
> >> Paul Revard
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>
> >> Mich-listers mailing list
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Subject: Costa's Hummingbird
From: Darrell Lawson <lawsodw AT gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 16:31:23 -0500
As of 4:30PM the Costa's Hummingbird is still present at the previously
reported location in Onekama.
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Subject: Re: Gray Kingbird
From: "thegarlicks tds.net" <thegarlicks AT tds.net>
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 16:17:06 -0500
I've had severe modem problems, thus very irregular internet contact, for
several days now.  I've missed a lot of notices I wish I'd gotten in time.
We can't assume that everyone is completely tuned into the local networks
all the time.  I don't see why it's a problem to keep reiterating this
message if 'violations' continue to occur.  I'm also  wondering if there is
an obvious sign at this location?

--Diane Garlick
Augusta  (but living in a cave, lately)

On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Chris Mccreedy 
wrote:

> Brad,
>
> Take a step back. Chu's recent post can be read that the drive can be just
> closed to automobiles, it was what I thought when I read it the other
> day--my reaction was 'dang, I wish I had time to walk in'. My wife might be
> a firm believer that I live in a cave, and while I enjoy taunting birders
> that trespass for ticks, still, I do not know all the myriad access rules
> to various sites in MI.  Coming from the interior West, refuges or parts of
> refuges are occasionally closed 24/7 year round, but I am unaccustomed to
> seasonal access issues that I have come across in MI and do not know them
> all by heart.  If someone purposefully broke the rules then no excuses, but
> then who would do that and then post about it?  Perhaps the area is very
> clearly signed, if so, a message re: read the signs! can be achieved
> without your pedantry.
>
> McCreedy
> Ann Arbor
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 2, 2014, at 13:30, Brad Murphy  wrote:
> >
> > Seriously?!?!
> >
> > I think we've all probably done something at one point or another that
> we shouldn't have but unless you've been living in a cave, there is NO
> access to the Gray Kingbird as of October 31st.
> >
> > I'm sure the offenders want to justify their actions but there isn't
> any. We have all been informed multiple times that the refuge is closed to
> birders.  If you missed the bird,  sorry.
> >
> > I can send email, smoke signals, write it in hieroglyphics, or any other
> obscure way of getting the message out there upon request.
> >
> > Ridiculous....
> >
> > Brad Murphy
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Nov 2, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Paul Revard  wrote:
> >>
> >> Gray Kingbird is still present as of 10:00am today. I walked in and it
> takes about one hour to reach its' location.
> >>
> >> Paul Revard
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>
> >> Mich-listers mailing list
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Subject: Re: Gray Kingbird
From: "C or M Johnstone" <anhinga AT tm.net>
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 15:06:57 -0500
I was under the impression from the beginning that the area was closed to 
all entry - foot, motor vehicle, drone, whatever.  At this point, let's give 
the benefit of the doubt to those who may have thought otherwise and made an 
honest mistake, but give no quarter to any further transgressions.  Matt

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dixie Burkhart" 
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Mich-listers] Gray Kingbird


>I thought it was just closed to autos, also, from the original post.
>
> Bird on.
>
> Dixie Burkhart
> Van Buren County
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Nov 2, 2014, at 2:51 PM, Chris Mccreedy  wrote:
>>
>> Brad,
>>
>> Take a step back. Chu's recent post can be read that the drive can be 
>> just closed to automobiles, it was what I thought when I read it the 
>> other day--my reaction was 'dang, I wish I had time to walk in'. My wife 
>> might be a firm believer that I live in a cave, and while I enjoy 
>> taunting birders that trespass for ticks, still, I do not know all the 
>> myriad access rules to various sites in MI.  Coming from the interior 
>> West, refuges or parts of refuges are occasionally closed 24/7 year 
>> round, but I am unaccustomed to seasonal access issues that I have come 
>> across in MI and do not know them all by heart.  If someone purposefully 
>> broke the rules then no excuses, but then who would do that and then post 
>> about it?  Perhaps the area is very clearly signed, if so, a message re: 
>> read the signs! can be achieved without your pedantry.
>>
>> McCreedy
>> Ann Arbor
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Nov 2, 2014, at 13:30, Brad Murphy  wrote:
>>>
>>> Seriously?!?!
>>>
>>> I think we've all probably done something at one point or another that 
>>> we shouldn't have but unless you've been living in a cave, there is NO 
>>> access to the Gray Kingbird as of October 31st.
>>>
>>> I'm sure the offenders want to justify their actions but there isn't 
>>> any. We have all been informed multiple times that the refuge is closed 
>>> to birders.  If you missed the bird,  sorry.
>>>
>>> I can send email, smoke signals, write it in hieroglyphics, or any other 
>>> obscure way of getting the message out there upon request.
>>>
>>> Ridiculous....
>>>
>>> Brad Murphy
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Paul Revard  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Gray Kingbird is still present as of 10:00am today. I walked in and it 
>>>> takes about one hour to reach its' location.
>>>>
>>>> Paul Revard
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Subject: Re: Gray Kingbird
From: Dixie Burkhart <dixieburk AT aol.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 14:59:15 -0500
I thought it was just closed to autos, also, from the original post. 

Bird on.

Dixie Burkhart
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> On Nov 2, 2014, at 2:51 PM, Chris Mccreedy  wrote:
> 
> Brad, 
> 
> Take a step back. Chu's recent post can be read that the drive can be just 
closed to automobiles, it was what I thought when I read it the other day--my 
reaction was 'dang, I wish I had time to walk in'. My wife might be a firm 
believer that I live in a cave, and while I enjoy taunting birders that 
trespass for ticks, still, I do not know all the myriad access rules to various 
sites in MI. Coming from the interior West, refuges or parts of refuges are 
occasionally closed 24/7 year round, but I am unaccustomed to seasonal access 
issues that I have come across in MI and do not know them all by heart. If 
someone purposefully broke the rules then no excuses, but then who would do 
that and then post about it? Perhaps the area is very clearly signed, if so, a 
message re: read the signs! can be achieved without your pedantry. 

> 
> McCreedy
> Ann Arbor
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2014, at 13:30, Brad Murphy  wrote:
>> 
>> Seriously?!?!
>> 
>> I think we've all probably done something at one point or another that we 
shouldn't have but unless you've been living in a cave, there is NO access to 
the Gray Kingbird as of October 31st. 

>> 
>> I'm sure the offenders want to justify their actions but there isn't any. We 
have all been informed multiple times that the refuge is closed to birders. If 
you missed the bird, sorry. 

>> 
>> I can send email, smoke signals, write it in hieroglyphics, or any other 
obscure way of getting the message out there upon request. 

>> 
>> Ridiculous....
>> 
>> Brad Murphy
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Paul Revard  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Gray Kingbird is still present as of 10:00am today. I walked in and it 
takes about one hour to reach its' location. 

>>> 
>>> Paul Revard
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Subject: Re: Gray Kingbird
From: Chris Mccreedy <cristofolos AT gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 14:51:09 -0500
Brad, 

Take a step back. Chu's recent post can be read that the drive can be just 
closed to automobiles, it was what I thought when I read it the other day--my 
reaction was 'dang, I wish I had time to walk in'. My wife might be a firm 
believer that I live in a cave, and while I enjoy taunting birders that 
trespass for ticks, still, I do not know all the myriad access rules to various 
sites in MI. Coming from the interior West, refuges or parts of refuges are 
occasionally closed 24/7 year round, but I am unaccustomed to seasonal access 
issues that I have come across in MI and do not know them all by heart. If 
someone purposefully broke the rules then no excuses, but then who would do 
that and then post about it? Perhaps the area is very clearly signed, if so, a 
message re: read the signs! can be achieved without your pedantry. 


McCreedy
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> On Nov 2, 2014, at 13:30, Brad Murphy  wrote:
> 
> Seriously?!?!
> 
> I think we've all probably done something at one point or another that we 
shouldn't have but unless you've been living in a cave, there is NO access to 
the Gray Kingbird as of October 31st. 

> 
> I'm sure the offenders want to justify their actions but there isn't any. We 
have all been informed multiple times that the refuge is closed to birders. If 
you missed the bird, sorry. 

> 
> I can send email, smoke signals, write it in hieroglyphics, or any other 
obscure way of getting the message out there upon request. 

> 
> Ridiculous....
> 
> Brad Murphy
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Paul Revard  wrote:
>> 
>> Gray Kingbird is still present as of 10:00am today. I walked in and it takes 
about one hour to reach its' location. 

>> 
>> Paul Revard
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Subject: Shiawassee
From: Paul Revard <PRevard AT chartermi.net>
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 13:58:43 -0500
My apologies. I was totally unaware that the refuge was closed to all traffic 
to birding. I did not see any postings and there were a few cars in the lot so 
I assumed that only the 

auto tour route was closed. If I had known, I definitely would not have gone 
in. Again, I apologize for the misstep and confusion. 


Paul
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Subject: Re: Gray Kingbird
From: Brad Murphy <bradmurphy22 AT gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 13:30:49 -0500
Seriously?!?!

I think we've all probably done something at one point or another that we 
shouldn't have but unless you've been living in a cave, there is NO access to 
the Gray Kingbird as of October 31st. 


I'm sure the offenders want to justify their actions but there isn't any. We 
have all been informed multiple times that the refuge is closed to birders. If 
you missed the bird, sorry. 


I can send email, smoke signals, write it in hieroglyphics, or any other 
obscure way of getting the message out there upon request. 


Ridiculous....

Brad Murphy


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> On Nov 2, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Paul Revard  wrote:
> 
> Gray Kingbird is still present as of 10:00am today. I walked in and it takes 
about one hour to reach its' location. 

> 
> Paul Revard
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Subject: Gray Kingbird
From: Paul Revard <PRevard AT chartermi.net>
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 12:23:19 -0500
Gray Kingbird is still present as of 10:00am today. I walked in and it takes 
about one hour to reach its' location. 


Paul Revard
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Subject: Costa's Hummingbird
From: Brian Allen <tanager AT manistee.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 10:19:50 -0500
Still active at the feeder this morning, surviving a night low temp of 26 
degrees in Onekama. For directions see previous post. 


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Subject: Costa's Hummingbird yes 11/2
From: "larus10 ." <caleb.putnam AT gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 07:34:50 -0500
All

The bird is here at the previously described in Onekama.

Good birding
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Subject: Gray Kingbird: NO ACCESS
From: "Chu, Philip" <PChu AT CSBSJU.EDU>
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 07:29:05 +0000
On Saturday, 1 November, a message was posted about the Gray Kingbird along the 
Wildlife Drive at Shiawassee National Wildlife Refuge. 


This message may prompt some hope that the Wildlife Drive is still open; 
however, it is NOT open - it was CLOSED FOR THE SEASON at the end of the day on 
Friday, 31 October. 


On the 31st, refuge manager Steven Kahl was asked if an exception could be made 
for birders wishing to see the Gray Kingbird, and his answer was, "I'm afraid 
not - if an exception is made for one group of refuge users, then it would be 
hard not to grant exceptions to other groups." 


As someone who was unable to get away from work on 31 October, and who 
therefore did not get to see the kingbird, I can easily sympathize with a 
continuing desire to go to Shiawassee; however, given that refuge rules are to 
close the Wildlife Drive after 31 October, and given that an exception was 
explicitly requested and refused, it would be good NOT to continue attempting 
to using the Drive. Mr. Kahl has already been quite accommodating - e.g., 
opening the Wildlife Drive at sunrise on the 31st, instead of waiting until the 
usual time of 1:00 PM - and we ought not repay him by breaking refuge-access 
rules. 


Phil Chu




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Subject: Photos of Manistee Co. Costa's Hummingbird
From: Parula100 AT aol.com
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 23:57:20 -0400
I posted some photos of the Costa's Hummingbird on my Flickr site:
 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/darlenefriedman/
 
 
The bird was present until at least 5:15 P.M. today (Saturday).
 
Darlene Friedman
Novi
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Subject: Costa's Hummingbird directions
From: Brian Allen <tanager AT manistee.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 20:19:25 -0400
To view the Costa's Hummingbird in Onekama from M-22 park at the village 
library on the east end of Portage Lake. The library is right across the road 
from the EZMart Marathon gas station on the corner of 5th St. And M-22. Walk up 
5th St. 4 houses up (east). The hummer is at Ron and Jan Joslyn's house 8160 
5th St. The house is stone sided, on the north or left side of the street and 
has an asphalt driveway. View the only feeder and the water bath on the deck 
and the back yard from there. Keep distance between you and the feeders so the 
bird is not discouraged from feeding. Please sign the guest log book on the 
table next to the house and thank the Joslyns for letting us view and enjoy 
this rare bird. 


BA

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Subject: Costa's Hummingbird Manistee Co
From: Brian Allen <tanager AT manistee.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 16:24:01 -0400
Still present at 4:00 at 8160 5th St Onekama 

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