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Updated on Saturday, November 7 at 09:43 AM ET
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Zapata Wren,©Barry Kent Mackay

7 Nov Purple Finch [Doris Burnett ]
7 Nov Whoopers at CB update [Curtis Wolf ]
7 Nov Whoopers still at CB [Curtis Wolf ]
7 Nov Re: Whoopers at Q ["Irwin L. Hoogheem" ]
6 Nov Whooping Cranes et. al. [Nathan Paul Ofsthun ]
6 Nov Whoopers still there at 3:30 today [Atcha Nolan ]
6 Nov Re: Twenty-eight Whooping Cranes [Lucia Johnson ]
6 Nov Quivira Whooping Crane update 6 Nov 2009 [Barry Jones ]
6 Nov Twenty-eight Whooping Cranes [Bob Gress ]
6 Nov Whoopers today: four at CB; two, Q [C Miller ]
6 Nov Whoopers at Q [C Miller ]
6 Nov Whooping Cranes [Paul Griffin ]
6 Nov Re: Hedge apples [David Clark ]
6 Nov Re: Hedge Apples ["Wedge, Philip C" ]
6 Nov Re: Hedge Apples [RODNEY WEDEL ]
6 Nov Topeka Audubon Society Program, Monday [Carol Morgan ]
6 Nov Osage orange [Lawrence Herbert ]
6 Nov rfi: trip planning to see whoopers [sb ellis ]
6 Nov Re: Hedge apples [Dan Mulhern ]
6 Nov Re: Hedge apples [Bill Busby ]
6 Nov FW: November edition Kansas County Listing [Chuck & Jaye Otte ]
6 Nov Whopping Cranes [Paul Griffin ]
5 Nov Visitor Wants to See Prairie-chickens of Kansas (Comments on Whoopers) [Ron Klataske ]
5 Nov Re: Black Swan [David Roy ]
5 Nov Whooping crane concentration [Ken Kinman ]
5 Nov Whooping Cranes at Cheyenne Bottoms [Chuck & Jaye Otte ]
5 Nov Hedge apples [Patricia Marlett ]
5 Nov Re: RFI: Water bird destinations near Olathe, KS [sb ellis ]
5 Nov Hedge apples [Pete Janzen ]
5 Nov Re: Hedge Apples [C Miller ]
5 Nov Hunting suspended article in CJonline [Debra McKee ]
5 Nov Hedge Apples ["G. Parkinson" ]
5 Nov RFI: Water bird destinations near Olathe, KS [sb ellis ]
5 Nov Re: Baltimore birding ["Wedge, Philip C" ]
5 Nov RFI: Baltimore birding [C Miller ]
5 Nov eBird Report - Barton County, KS, US , 11/5/09 [Robert Penner ]
5 Nov Whooping Crane Update [Robert Penner ]
5 Nov Whooping Cranes at Quivira 4 Nov 2009 [Barry Jones ]
5 Nov Hawk debate [R Hitchcock ]
5 Nov 16 Whooping Cranes at CB/ 5 Nov. [Scott Seltman ]
4 Nov Re: Whooping Cranes (Conservation Considerations) [Curtis Wolf ]
4 Nov Re: Whooping Cranes (Conservation Considerations) [Ron Klataske ]
4 Nov Re: Strange Duck Food [Thomas Shane ]
4 Nov Re: Whooping Cranes [Curtis Wolf ]
4 Nov black swan [Rick Tucker ]
4 Nov Black Swan ["Max C. Thompson" ]
4 Nov Whooping Cranes [Max Miller ]
4 Nov Black Swan ["Max C. Thompson" ]
4 Nov black swans [betty leader ]
4 Nov black swan [betty leader ]
4 Nov Oops` [Will Chatfield-Taylor ]
4 Nov Re: black swan [Will Chatfield-Taylor ]
4 Nov Re: black swan ["Christine Kline, Secretary" ]
4 Nov Strange Duck Food [Patricia Marlett ]
4 Nov black swan [Rick Tucker ]
4 Nov New online course about bird behavior [Patricia Leonard ]
4 Nov Ulysses Birds [Kellye Hart ]
4 Nov SG Co Merlin, Siskins [Jeff Calhoun ]
3 Nov Birding around Manhattan Nov. 3 [Ann Feyerharm ]
4 Nov Barred Owl [Jeff Calhoun ]
4 Nov Re: Potential short tailed hawk discussion [Anna Fasoli ]
4 Nov Re: Potential short tailed hawk discussion [Anna Fasoli ]
3 Nov Re: POTENTIAL short tailed hawk, NEBRASKA [Mark Land ]
3 Nov Re: POTENTIAL short tailed hawk, NEBRASKA [Pete Janzen ]
3 Nov Re: POTENTIAL short tailed hawk, NEBRASKA [Elmer Finck ]
3 Dec Re: POTENTIAL short tailed hawk, NEBRASKA [Scott Seltman ]
3 Nov Re: POTENTIAL short tailed hawk, NEBRASKA [Anna Fasoli ]
3 Nov Potential short tailed hawk discussion [Anna Fasoli ]
3 Nov Potential short tailed hawk in Nebraska. [Mike Heaney ]
3 Nov Re: POTENTIAL short tailed hawk, NEBRASKA ["Wedge, Philip C" ]
3 Nov Re: POTENTIAL short tailed hawk, NEBRASKA [Brandon Magette ]
3 Nov Re: POTENTIAL short tailed hawk, NEBRASKA ["Wedge, Philip C" ]
3 Nov Re: POTENTIAL short tailed hawk, NEBRASKA [Brandon Magette ]
3 Nov Re: POTENTIAL short tailed hawk, NEBRASKA [Pete Janzen ]
3 Nov Potential sth... [Lawrence Herbert ]
3 Nov Re: POTENTIAL short tailed hawk, NEBRASKA [Chris Hobbs ]

Subject: Purple Finch
From: Doris Burnett <burnett AT KANSAS.NET>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:43:33 -0600
Fri. afternoon there were 2 male purple finch at the feeder on the deck. They 
hung around most of the afternoon but have not seen them this morning. 


This morning is like spring with all the birds singing.  
Over the last couple of weeks I have seen several small flocks of cedar 
waxwings in the yard but this morning there are at least 50 feeding with about 
100 robins on the juniper berries. A large % of the waxwings are still molting 
into adult plumage. One adult was ever feeding a young bird. 

One more spring note (not bird related)-One of my Endless Summer Hydrangeas 
that did not bloom this year has now decided to bloom. 

Doris Burnett
Manhattan, Ks
Pottawatomie County

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Subject: Whoopers at CB update
From: Curtis Wolf <cjwolf AT FHSU.EDU>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:34:20 -0600
I have a better idea now of how many whoopers and where.

Rob Penner just came in and reported that there are 2 in Pool 3B as I 
posted previously.

He also informed me that there are 6 adults and 1 juvenile in a cut corn 
field just South of the KWEC along Highway 156.

Curtis J. Wolf
Manager, Kansas Wetlands Education Center
Fort Hays State University
P.O. Box 618
Great Bend, KS 67530
Toll free: 1-877-243-9268
cjwolf AT fhsu.edu

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Subject: Whoopers still at CB
From: Curtis Wolf <cjwolf AT FHSU.EDU>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:06:55 -0600
Rob Penner gave me the report that there are still at least 7 whoopers in 
the Cheyenne Bottoms area.  This morning he spotted 2 in Pool 3B along 
with a group of sandhills.  This pool is actually one of the dry pools but 
obviously still being used.  He said they can be see from the Claflin road 
dike (Pool 3B/4A dike)

There were also 5 spotted south of the Bottoms in a field.  I'm not sure 
of the exact location on these.

The KWEC is open today (8:00-5:00), if you are in the area, please stop by 
and give us your report!

Curtis J. Wolf
Manager, Kansas Wetlands Education Center
Fort Hays State University
P.O. Box 618
Great Bend, KS 67530
Toll free: 1-877-243-9268
cjwolf AT fhsu.edu

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Subject: Re: Whoopers at Q
From: "Irwin L. Hoogheem" <Hoogy AT COX.NET>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:42:51 -0600
    We arrived at Cheyenne Bottoms about 10:45 and found 4 Whoopers in 
1C...didn't find any in Pool 1B nor did we find in on the Nature Conservancy 
property.   All the other waterfowl on the Bottoms were ones that had been 
mentioned recently by others.
    Carol & Hoogy
    Ogden, KS
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "C Miller" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 2:09 PM
Subject: Whoopers at Q


> All: Just got a text from Dave Welfelt that there are two whoopers at
> Quivira, on the north end.
>
> -- 
> Cheryl
> Wichita, KS
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Subject: Whooping Cranes et. al.
From: Nathan Paul Ofsthun <nxofsthun AT WICHITA.EDU>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:17:31 -0600
Dave Welfelt and I went up to Quivira and Cheyenne Bottoms this 
afternoon/evening for the obvious reason. With the help of Max and Kay Miller's 
spotting scope, we were both able to snag a very large lifer. Our first 
Whooping Cranes were the pair on the west side of the Least Tern nesting site. 
As we were leaving for Cheyenne Bottoms, we saw nine flying south across the 
west side of the Wildlife Drive (probably the nine reported at the Little Salt 
Marsh). At Cheyenne Bottoms, we got our closest look at four cranes, bringing 
our total number for the day to fifteen--not twenty-eight, but in no way 
disappointing. 

Although I'm sure many have gone (myself certainly included) and will go to 
Quivira/Cheyenne Bottoms with the single purpose of finding the Whooping 
Cranes, I honestly have to say that the waterfowl spectacle was equally 
rewarding. Around the time that we arrived at Quivira in the early afternoon, 
the masses of geese began to lift--one wave after the other. I won't even try 
to estimate how many tens-of-thousands, if not hundreds-of-thousands, of 
Greater White-fronted, Snow, Ross', Canada, and Cackling Geese were present, 
but the numbers and sounds were huge. Even the thousands of relatively distant 
Sandhill Cranes were impressive because of their sheer numbers. On the Nature 
Conservancy's property adjacent to Cheyenne Bottoms, we were able to see a 
comparably large number of waterfowl, although this group didn't lift but 
remained in the rather distant wetlands. There were also large numbers of 
raptors between Quivira and the Bottoms: Northern Harriers and Red-tailed Hawks 
being the dominant species, but we also saw at least one Rough-legged Hawk. 

Good times birding!

Nathan Ofsthun 
Bel Aire, KS 
nxofsthun AT wichita.edu 
(316)-617-7171

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Subject: Whoopers still there at 3:30 today
From: Atcha Nolan <qanolan AT COX.NET>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 20:17:33 -0600
Mike and I saw the four whoopers in pool C at Cheyenne Bottoms at noon today
and then we went to Quivera NWR. We went up 90th Ave. on the west side of
Quivera, and straight east of the house with all the dogs in the road, we
saw 7 adult and 2 juv. whooping cranes.  We then headed for the wildlife
drive and as we were headed east 300+ Sandhill cranes flew over us getting
ready to land on the west shore of the big salt marsh.  We drove around the
wildlife drive and could see the hundreds of Sandhills along with hundreds
of other water birds along the west shoreline.  We then headed on east and
watched an imm. bald eagle eating some prey just north of the road before
heading south for the visitors center. We got to see the 9 whoopers just
west of the observation tower near the visitor's center.  It was 3:30 by
then and we headed home.  What a great day!  22 whoopers in one day and
hundreds of sandhills (a lifer for me)!  Happy birding!

Atcha Nolan
El Dorado, KS
qanolan AT cox.net

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Subject: Re: Twenty-eight Whooping Cranes
From: Lucia Johnson <luciaj AT NCCTINC.COM>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:36:41 -0800
Whoop, whoop, hurray!  (Sorry--couldn't resist)

-----Original Message-----
From: Birds & Their Habitats in Kansas [mailto:KSBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU] On 
Behalf Of Bob Gress 

Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 4:29 PM
To: KSBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
Subject: Twenty-eight Whooping Cranes

Just got back from Cheyenne Bottoms and Quivira. At CB found a group of 4 about 
3/4 mile west of the visitors center just north of the highway. Also saw a 
group of 13 birds in Pool 1. At Quivira there were 2 Whoopers just north of the 
Least Tern enclosure (north of the wildlife drive). Nine more flew over the 
wildlife drive heading straight south. These eventually landed on the south end 
of the Little Salt Marsh west of the observation tower next to the Quivira 
Headquarters. So....28 cranes today for a very fun crane day in Kansas. (I also 
took a few photos as they flew right over in very good light!) 



Bob Gress
www.BirdsInFocus.com
bobgress AT cox.net

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Subject: Quivira Whooping Crane update 6 Nov 2009
From: Barry Jones <barjones78 AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 16:33:40 -0600
As of mid-afternoon on Friday, 6 November, there were 19 Whooping Cranes 
in or near Quivira NWR, including a group of 9 adults easily visible from 
the Observation Tower at the south end of Little Salt Marsh.  A wonderful 
viewing opportunity, for as long as it lasts!  There have been enough 
reports of birds moving in and around the region that, if the 
aforementioned 9 are no longer present, it may be worth searching Big Salt 
Marsh and nearby fields for others in the next few days.

Barry Jones
Quivira NWR

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Subject: Twenty-eight Whooping Cranes
From: Bob Gress <bobgress AT COX.NET>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 16:29:17 -0600
Just got back from Cheyenne Bottoms and Quivira. At CB found a group of 4 about 
3/4 mile west of the visitors center just north of the highway. Also saw a 
group of 13 birds in Pool 1. At Quivira there were 2 Whoopers just north of the 
Least Tern enclosure (north of the wildlife drive). Nine more flew over the 
wildlife drive heading straight south. These eventually landed on the south end 
of the Little Salt Marsh west of the observation tower next to the Quivira 
Headquarters. So....28 cranes today for a very fun crane day in Kansas. (I also 
took a few photos as they flew right over in very good light!) 



Bob Gress
www.BirdsInFocus.com
bobgress AT cox.net

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Subject: Whoopers today: four at CB; two, Q
From: C Miller <avian67226 AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:28:35 -0600
All: am forwarding the message below from Rob Graham about CB whoopers. Dave
Welfelt sent a later text specifying that the two whoopers he and Nathan
Ofsthun saw were at the Least Tern nesting site on the north end of Q.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Rob Graham 
Date: Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 3:10 PM
Subject: RE: [KSBIRD-L] Whoopers at Q
To: C Miller 


Hello. At 1345 there were 4 whoopers at CB, near the outhouse. I'm at work
now and don't have the list addy on my phone to post the sighting.  Have a
good day, Rob Graham in Great Bend

-----Original Message-----
From: C Miller 
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 2:09 PM
To: KSBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
Subject: [KSBIRD-L] Whoopers at Q

All: Just got a text from Dave Welfelt that there are two whoopers at
Quivira, on the north end.

--
Cheryl
Wichita, KS

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-- 
Cheryl
Wichita, KS

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Subject: Whoopers at Q
From: C Miller <avian67226 AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:09:02 -0600
All: Just got a text from Dave Welfelt that there are two whoopers at
Quivira, on the north end.

-- 
Cheryl
Wichita, KS

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Subject: Whooping Cranes
From: Paul Griffin <pgriffin1 AT COX.NET>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:54:32 -0600
Hi Folks,

The Whooping Cranes I videoed yesterday at Cheyenne Bottoms, were in  
Pool 1B.  If you enter Cheyenne Bottoms from route 156 (on the  
Southeastern corner of Cheyenne Bottoms), follow the main road to the  
right (Northish) around the North side of the lakes (pools).  The road  
will curve around to the West and then South.  After you start heading  
South watch for other cars, in a few miles the large Whooping Cranes  
can be seen to the left (assuming they haven't moved and that is a big  
assumption).

I was at Quiriva early yesterday and the Whooping Cranes there were  
not visible to me.  I think they were off to the West and out of  
sight.  Many cars were driving around looking for them and couldn't  
see them.

Sorry I misspelled Whooper in my post last night (did you even  
notice).  I think I was thinking about the "hopping" Whooping Crane in  
my video.

Happy Birding,

Paul Griffin

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Subject: Re: Hedge apples
From: David Clark <daclark AT PLANETKC.COM>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:23:01 -0600
The folklore I recall is that hedge apples repel spiders -- I've also  
heard ants . . .

Nancy Clark
Shawnee


On Nov 6, 2009, at 9:04 AM, Dan Mulhern wrote:

> Does anyone know what insects are supposed to be repelled by hedge  
> apples?
> Some one I know was collecting some to put in her cabinets to repel
> insects, but she couldn't remember what it was supposed to work  
> against.  I
> told her she was probably just going to attract squirrels.  They eat  
> the
> crap out of those things.
>
> Dan Mulhern
>
> P.S.  Sorry, no relevant extinct-large-herbivore reference.
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Subject: Re: Hedge Apples
From: "Wedge, Philip C" <pwedge AT KU.EDU>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:03:30 -0600
I was told hedge apples in the attic keeps squirrels away. Judging from the 
discussions on this list serve, that sounds like a bad idea! 


Phil Wedge

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Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 9:58 AM
To: KSBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
Subject: Re: Hedge Apples


I have always heard that putting hedge apples in the basement or house will 
keep spiders away and just recently also heard that they keep crickets away 
also. 

 
Rod Wedel
Newton

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Subject: Re: Hedge Apples
From: RODNEY WEDEL <redb819 AT SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:58:03 -0800
I have always heard that putting hedge apples in the basement or house will 
keep spiders away and just recently also heard that they keep crickets away 
also. 

 
Rod Wedel
Newton

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Subject: Topeka Audubon Society Program, Monday
From: Carol Morgan <crxmorgan AT AOL.COM>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:54:34 -0600
“The Life of John Muir”
by Dr. Donald Worster
Monday, 7pm, November 9 
Topeka & Shawnee County Public Library

	Please join us on November 9 for a presentation by Donald Worster 
titled “The Life of John Muir.”   Dr. Worster is the Joyce and Elizabeth 
Hall Professor of History at the University of Kansas specializing in US 
and environmental history.
	
	Worster is the author of a new book: A Passion for Nature: The Life 
of John Muir (Oxford University Press, 2008).  This biography details the 
life of one of America’s earliest conservationists.  Muir founded the 
Sierra Club in 1892.  His books were read by President Theodore Roosevelt.  
He was deeply involved in the creation of Yosemite, Sequoia, Mount Rainier, 
Petrified Forest and Grand Canyon National Parks.  

	Worster has also written the following books: A River Running West: 
The Life of John Wesley Powell (2001); Under Western Skies: Nature and 
History in the American West (1992); and Dust Bowl: The Southern Plains in 
the 1930s (1979, reissued 2004)
	
	There will be a  no-host dinner at 5:30pm before the program 
meeting.  The location of this dinner will be McFarland’s Restaurant in the 
Gage Center Shopping Center.  Everyone is welcome.

Carol Morgan
Topeka Audubon Society

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Subject: Osage orange
From: Lawrence Herbert <certhia AT ATT.NET>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:37:41 -0600
Dan and Kansas birders -

I think that I read on a Great Plains Nature Center web site that Osage orange 
fruit repels roaches! 


Years ago I recall watching Wood Ducks pecking around on some broke open "hedge 
balls" at about 

this time of year.  

Good birding,  Larry H.  Joplin MO.

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Subject: rfi: trip planning to see whoopers
From: sb ellis <sb.ellis AT SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:34:11 -0800
 
Ok, I've been convinced I've got to go to Cheyenne Bottoms on Saturday in hopes 
of seeing the whoopers. Is it expected or hoped they may still be there? Could 
I trouble someone to provide directions on where to park and where the viewing 
area is? I've not ever been there. I will be trying to get pictures, but do not 
want to get any closer than is appropriate. 

 
Would it be advisable to maybe drive over tonight and stay at a nearby 
inexpensive hotel if there are any available? Any recommendation on hotels? 

 
Anyone planning to be there I might connect with?
 
Thanks!

Sarah Ellis
Olathe, Johnson County

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Subject: Re: Hedge apples
From: Dan Mulhern <Dan_Mulhern AT FWS.GOV>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:04:22 -0600
Does anyone know what insects are supposed to be repelled by hedge apples?
Some one I know was collecting some to put in her cabinets to repel
insects, but she couldn't remember what it was supposed to work against.  I
told her she was probably just going to attract squirrels.  They eat the
crap out of those things.

Dan Mulhern

P.S.  Sorry, no relevant extinct-large-herbivore reference.
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Subject: Re: Hedge apples
From: Bill Busby <wbusby AT KU.EDU>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:52:16 -0600
The following article by an illustrious tropical ecologist (any relation,
Pete?) addresses the hedge apple topic, at least indirectly.  I suspect
osage orange and honey locust are both adapted to this now-gone megafauna
syndrome.  Both trees have thorns to deter mammalian herbivores and large
chewy fruits with seeds able to pass through the animal's gut and remain
viable. Note also the discussion of fruits falling to the ground when ripe.
Horses I've observed are most interested in hedge apples soon after they
fall to the ground.  No comment on the mallards.

Bill Busby
Lawrence, KS

Neotropical Anachronisms: The Fruits the Gomphotheres Ate. Daniel H. Janzen
and Paul S. Martin. 1982. Science 215:19-27

Summary. Frugivory by extinct horses, gomphotheres, ground sloths, and other
Pleistocene megafauna offers a key to understanding certain plant
reproductive traits in Central American lowtand forests. When over 15 genera
of Central American large herbivores became extinct roughly 10,000 years
ago, seed dispersal and subsequent distributions of many plant species were
altered. Introduction of horses and cattle may have in part restored the
local ranges of such trees as jicaro (Crescentia alata) and guanacaste
(Enterolobium cyclocarpum) that had large mammals as dispersal agents. Plant
distributions in neotropical forest and grassland mixes that are moderately
and patchily browsed by free-ranging livestock may be more like those before
megafaunal extinction than were those present at the time of Spanish
conquest.

-----Original Message-----
From: Birds & Their Habitats in Kansas [mailto:KSBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU] On
Behalf Of Pete Janzen
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 8:16 PM
To: KSBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
Subject: Hedge apples

I think the main attraction of hedge apples for many birds and also 
squirrels are the seeds embedded in the flesh.  Often in the winter you 
find the fruits on the ground that have been picked apart in search of 
the seeds which are about the size of orange seeds.  I don't know how 
many are in a typicial fruit.   Probably the flesh of the fruit is 
edible for some species.  There was a real interesting article in 
Natural History magazine a few years ago.  Hedge apple (Osage orange) 
was once widespread throughout the great plains but by the time of 
European arrival it was only found in a few tributaries of the Red River 
in the Texarkana region.  The author had a fairly well-researched theory 
that mammoths were important dispersers of osage orange as they were 
able to penetrate the thorny defenses of the tree with their trunks to 
reach the fruit.  The trees adapted thorns to deter all but the 
mammoths, who reciprocated by conveniently spreading the seeds in their 
waste.  When neolithic man wiped out the two endemic mammoth species in 
the span of just a few thousand years ending about 11,000 years ago, the 
osage orange lost its primary dispersal agent and its range shrank 
swiftly, only to enjoy new popularity when settler farmers began to use 
it in tree rows and such.  A real interesting read is "Twilight of the 
Mammoths" which covers this whole topic of the extinction of species by 
man.  In his conclusion the author goes as far as advocating the 
re-introduction of elephants, sloths and others to North America.  He 
argues that the population explosion of wild horses into the west is not 
an invasive species, but rather a native species expanding into a niche 
which was formerly its own.  But I guess that is getting pretty far 
afield from Mallards eating hedge apples.

Pete Janzen
Wichita

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Subject: FW: November edition Kansas County Listing
From: Chuck & Jaye Otte <otte2 AT COX.NET>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:51:41 -0600
All, 
Listed below is October edition of the Kansas County Listing. Please be sure to 
send any updates or changes to Lisa Edwards at lagh2 AT msn.com.

This list is posted to KsBirds via the list owners to prevent any virus 
affecting the list server.

Regards,

Lisa Edwards
Way west of Morton County 

Kansas County List
75 Species or more

County
Allen	212
117		Carolyn Schwab
109		Galen Pittman
108		Henry Armknecht
102		Marie Plinsky
101		Pete Janzen
81		Mick McHugh
79		Matt Gearheart
79		Kevin Groeneweg

Anderson	262
140		Carolyn Schwab
133		Galen Pittman
126		Mick McHugh
125		Marie Plinsky
121		Matt Gearheart
119		Henry Armknecht
90		Mark Land
87		Phil Wedge
85		Pete Janzen
84		David Seibel
75		Dan Larson

Atchison	225
127		Galen Pittman
121		Matt Gearheart
114		Henry Armknecht
107		Chuck Otte
98		Mick McHugh
93		Jaye Otte
91		Mike Rader
89		Scott Seltman
87		Phil Wedge
82		Kevin Groeneweg
82		Pete Janzen
80		Mark Land
79		Jeff Keating
78		Dan Larson
78		Nic Allen
76		David Seibel

Barber	263
208		Pete Janzen
182		Dennis Angle
181		Gene Young
152		Tyler Hicks
149		Chet Gresham
146		Kevin Groeneweg
135		Gregg Friesen
131		Matt Gearheart
125		Mike Rader
123		James Barnes
118		Scott Seltman
112		Henry Armknecht
98		Carolyn Schwab
97		Kerrie Kirkpatrick
90		Eulalia Lewis
90		Eugene Lewis
90		Ben Rogers
88		Leon Hicks
86		Chuck Otte
85		Bill Beard
84		Dan Larson
80		Nancy Beard
76		Galen Pittman

Barton	364
277		Mike Rader
271		Scott Seltman
266		Robert Penner
260		Lloyd Moore
241		Gene Young
241		Galen Pittman
234		Mick McHugh
233		Robert Fisher
232		David Seibel
230		Matt Gearheart
213		Craig Faanes
209		Pete Janzen
207		Tyler Hicks
195		Chuck Otte
195		Mark Land
194		Marie Plinsky
192		Aaron Mitchell
192		Henry Armknecht
190		Gregg Friesen
189		Lowell Johnson
189		Kevin Groeneweg
186		Kathy McDowell
179		Dan Mulhern
169		Dan Larson
166		Jaye Otte
165		Dan Gish
162		Rob Graham
162		Nancy Beard
162		Bill Beard
160		Leon Hicks
158		Charles Anderson
156		John Northrup
156		Sam Mannell
156		Terry Mannell
154		Chet Gresham
153		Kerrie Kirkpatrick
153		Phil Wedge
149		Nic Allen
144		Carolyn Schwab
133		Ben Rogers
133		Cheryl Miller
132		Glen Caspers
127		Will Chatfield-Taylor
122		Carol Morgan
113		Bill Trelc Jr.
111		Jon Strong
106		Edge Wade
105		Lisa Edwards
104		T. J. Walker
95		Judd Patterson
95		Mary Pat Haddican
93		Steven McDaniel
91		Tom Ewert
90		Debra McKee
89		Duane Otto
87		James Barnes
84		Judd Patterson

Bourbon	204
153		Matt Gearheart
121		Henry Armknecht
114		Galen Pittman
112		Pete Janzen
109		Ron Tucker
94		Nic Allen
93		Mick McHugh
83		Kevin Groeneweg
83		Rick Tucker
79		Mike Rader

Brown	241
205		Rosella Royer
165		Janet Rebant
139		Matt Gearheart
125		Galen Pittman
125		Chuck Otte
113		Henry Armknecht
105		Pete Janzen
105		Sebastian Patti
103		Mike Rader
96		Kevin Groeneweg
96		Tony Schaar
95		Duane Otto
95		Dan Larson
93		Glen Caspers
92		Scott Seltman
86		David Seibel
77		Sam Mannell
77		Terry Mannell
76		Mick McHugh

Butler	275
203		Pete Janzen
199		Tyler Hicks
189		Bob Broyles
188		Leon Hicks
185		Gene Young
180		Jim Wilson
171		Kevin Groeneweg
154		David Seibel
128		Gregg Friesen
118		Henry Armknecht
116		Nancy Beard
116		Bill Beard
106		Matt Gearheart
105		James Barnes
93		Carolyn Schwab
90		Chuck Otte
87		Jeff Calhoun
85		Dan Larson
79		Chet Gresham
77		Robert Penner
75		Galen Pittman

Chase	259
167		Ross Silcock
142		Kerrie Kirkpatrick
131		Kevin Groeneweg
118		Henry Armknecht
110		Pete Janzen
108		Gregg Friesen
102		Matt Gearheart
92		Dan Larson
90		Chuck Otte
88		Carolyn Schwab
83		Galen Pittman
82		Nancy Beard
81		Bill Beard
80		Mike Rader
78		Chet Gresham
76		Mick McHugh

Chautauqua	203
141		Gene Young
134		Pete Janzen
113		Kevin Groeneweg
104		Henry Armknecht
99		Scott Seltman
95		Matt Gearheart
93		Dan Larson
91		Leon Hicks
85		Galen Pittman
84		Mike Rader
80		Charles Anderson

Cherokee	264
216		Dave Henness
184		Mike Rader
176		Matt Gearheart
170		Scott Seltman
167		Gene Young
157		Jim Rising
142		Galen Pittman
137		Pete Janzen
133		Kevin Groeneweg
121		Rick Tucker
120		Henry Armknecht
118		Dan Larson
112		Nic Allen
106		Chuck Otte
105		Jaye Otte
103		Mick McHugh
100		David Seibel
98		Tyler Hicks
94		Gregg Friesen
92		Aaron Mitchell
84		Dan Mulhern
77		Glen Caspers
75		Edge Wade

Cheyenne	235
195		Henry Armknecht
141		Scott Seltman
112		Rick Reeser
107		Mike Rader
102		Sam Mannell
102		Terry Mannell
83		Kevin Groeneweg
82		Matt Gearheart
80		Pete Janzen
77		Mark Land
77		Jon Strong

Clark	261
237		Galen Pittman
115		Scott Seltman
106		Henry Armknecht
103		Pete Janzen
103		Matt Gearheart
100		Mick McHugh
95		David Seibel
82		Gregg Friesen
79		Dan Larson
77		Kevin Groeneweg
75		Mike Rader

Clay	260
231		Chuck Otte
204		Jaye Otte
182		Calvin Wohler
135		Mike Rader
131		Glen Caspers
125		Carol Morgan
120		Henry Armknecht
118		John Row
112		Jeff Keating
110		Pete Janzen
104		Scott Seltman
95		Dan Thalmann
88		Charles Anderson
86		Dan Larson
84		Kevin Groeneweg
81		Matt Gearheart

Cloud	234
135		Henry Armknecht
113		Pete Janzen
84		Chuck Otte
83		Gregg Friesen
80		Matt Gearheart

Coffey	305
234		Lloyd Moore
211		Matt Gearheart
197		Mick McHugh
192		Galen Pittman
165		Bill Trelc Jr.
161		Mark Land
147		Tyler Hicks
146		David Seibel
134		Dan Gish
127		Aaron Mitchell
118		Nic Allen
117		Marie Plinsky
117		Dan Larson
116		Pete Janzen
113		Kevin Groeneweg
110		Carolyn Schwab
102		Henry Armknecht
98		Chuck Otte
95		Carol Morgan
94		Jaye Otte
90		Chet Gresham
89		Scott Seltman
88		Will Chatfield-Taylor
82		Mike Rader
76		Glen Caspers

Comanche	241
175		Gene Young
141		Scott Seltman
139		Pete Janzen
130		Gregg Friesen
127		Mike Rader
126		Henry Armknecht
115		Galen Pittman
102		Kevin Groeneweg
101		Matt Gearheart
90		Chet Gresham
83		Edge Wade
75		Dan Larson

Cowley	337
301		Max Thompson
279		Gene Young
258		David Seibel
214		Tyler Hicks
213		John Northrup
211		Kevin Groeneweg
210		Pete Janzen
204		James Barnes
200		Leon Hicks
193		Mike Rader
161		Chet Gresham
148		Carolyn Schwab
147		Scott Seltman
143		Jim Wilson
124		Galen Pittman
121		Henry Armknecht
118		Nancy Beard
118		Bill Beard
109		Matt Gearheart
105		Dan Larson
103		Gregg Friesen
100		Cheryl Miller
94		Sam Mannell
94		Terry Mannell
88		Edge Wade
84		Mark Land
78		Aaron Mitchell

Crawford	286
169		Dave Henness
149		Matt Gearheart
124		Henry Armknecht
124		Kevin Groeneweg
124		Pete Janzen
122		Mike Rader
115		Mick McHugh
108		Carolyn Schwab
101		Scott Seltman
100		Galen Pittman
93		Gregg Friesen
86		Glen Caspers
84		Chuck Otte
82		Jaye Otte
79		Dan Mulhern
77		Leon Hicks
77		Nic Allen

Decatur	215
165		Brian Simonsson
140		Henry Armknecht
75		Scott Seltman

Dickinson	239
185		Chuck Otte
132		Dan Gish
123		Jaye Otte
113		Pete Janzen
109		Henry Armknecht
107		Kevin Groeneweg
105		Jim Mayhew
105		Chet Gresham
98		Mike Rader
96		Robert Kruger
89		Matt Gearheart
84		Dan Larson
81		Galen Pittman
80		David Haight

Doniphan	238
169		Herb Chance
169		Donna Chance
144		John Schukman
130		Matt Gearheart
125		Galen Pittman
114		Henry Armknecht
104		Kevin Groeneweg
101		Pete Janzen
94		David Seibel
80		Chuck Otte
77		Mick McHugh
76		Scott Seltman
75		Dan Larson

Douglas	357
303		Galen Pittman
288		David Seibel
280		Alexis Powell
280		Phil Wedge
277		Mick McHugh
259		Gerry Parkinson
253		Dave Williams
252		Lloyd Moore
251		Matt Gearheart
236		Kylee Sharp
214		Dan Gish
213		Dan Thalmann
212		Mike Rader
211		Kathy McDowell
209		Dave Henness
194		Steve Roels
193		Dan Larson
181		Aaron Mitchell
179		Sarah Roels
178		John Zempel
174		Linda Vidosh Zempel
173		Mark Land
167		Duane Otto
149		Steven McDaniel
139		Sam Mannell
139		Terry Mannell
139		Dan Mulhern
138		Glen Caspers
133		Nic Allen
132		Debra McKee
126		Marie Plinsky
126		Carol Morgan
117		Will Chatfield-Taylor
113		Sue Calhoon
113		Henry Armknecht
111		Kevin Groeneweg
110		Pete Janzen
109		Chuck Otte
106		Kat Farres
106		Dennis Farres
103		Scott Seltman
103		Sue Stevenson
102		Lisa Weeks
100		Harley Winfrey
96		Jaye Otte
94		Nancy Beard
92		Bill Beard
86		Edge Wade
85		Gregg Friesen
83		Belky Cuevas

Edwards	199
136		Scott Seltman
114		Pete Janzen
107		Henry Armknecht
98		Mike Rader
97		Galen Pittman
92		Mary Pat Haddican
77		Kevin Groeneweg
76		Gregg Friesen

Elk	225
132		Gene Young
120		Tyler Hicks
118		Mike Rader
110		Pete Janzen
108		Henry Armknecht
107		Cheryl Miller
106		Dan Larson
92		Gregg Friesen
90		Kevin Groeneweg
89		Galen Pittman
78		Chet Gresham

Ellis	314
211		Sam Mannell
211		Terry Mannell
130		Mike Rader
121		Henry Armknecht
120		Scott Seltman
104		Pete Janzen
91		Carolyn Schwab
80		Kevin Groeneweg
75		Matt Gearheart

Ellsworth	257
238		Mike Rader
129		Robert Kruger
128		Henry Armknecht
121		Chuck Otte
121		Scott Seltman
115		Matt Gearheart
111		Dan Gish
110		Dan Larson
100		Pete Janzen
96		Galen Pittman
87		Glen Caspers
86		Sam Mannell
86		Terry Mannell
80		Kevin Groeneweg

Finney	335
181		T. J. Walker
161		Mike Rader
155		Scott Seltman
139		Henry Armknecht
116		Dan Baffa
116		Pete Janzen
107		Kevin Groeneweg
102		Matt Gearheart
101		Dan Larson
91		Galen Pittman
87		David Seibel
87		Dan Gish
85		Terry Mannell
85		Sam Mannell
84		Gregg Friesen
84		Tyler Hicks
84		Chuck Otte
80		Bill Beard
80		Nancy Beard

Ford	262
144		Galen Pittman
105		Henry Armknecht
103		Scott Seltman
102		Pete Janzen
80		Kevin Groeneweg
78		Mike Rader
77		Matt Gearheart

Franklin	223
141		Richard Johnston
131		Galen Pittman
130		Mick McHugh
112		Matt Gearheart
102		Henry Armknecht
100		David Seibel
93		Mark Land
76		Kevin Groeneweg
76		Pete Janzen
75		Dan Larson

Geary	319
293		Chuck Otte
277		Jaye Otte
243		Jeff Keating
182		Mike Rader
166		Scott Seltman
154		Henry Armknecht
151		Galen Pittman
147		Dan Mulhern
142		Dan Gish
141		Calvin Wohler
137		Dan Larson
123		Carolyn Schwab
120		Cheryl Miller
120		Matt Gearheart
119		Pete Janzen
119		Robert Kruger
114		David Seibel
105		Sam Mannell
105		Terry Mannell
94		Kevin Groeneweg
94		Charles Anderson
92		Bill Beard
92		Nancy Beard
87		Mick McHugh
80		Gregg Friesen

Gove	175
110		Scott Seltman
110		Henry Armknecht
85		Pete Janzen
78		Kevin Groeneweg
76		Matt Gearheart

Graham	178
134		Henry Armknecht
131		Scott Seltman

Grant	251
228		Kellye Hart
127		Mike Rader
114		Henry Armknecht
111		Pete Janzen
107		Scott Seltman
103		Matt Gearheart
99		Kevin Groeneweg
79		Tyler Hicks

Gray	213
103		Scott Seltman
103		Henry Armknecht
97		Pete Janzen
88		Kevin Groeneweg
87		Gregg Friesen
78		Mike Rader
77		Dan Larson
76		Galen Pittman

Greeley	196
135		Sebastian Patti
114		Pete Janzen
113		Henry Armknecht
108		Kevin Groeneweg
97		Matt Gearheart
76		Scott Seltman

Greenwood	237
146		Pete Janzen
134		Matt Gearheart
120		Kevin Groeneweg
119		Galen Pittman
118		Henry Armknecht
110		Gregg Friesen
109		Scott Seltman
103		Cheryl Miller
102		David Seibel
98		Dan Larson
93		Mike Rader
84		Carolyn Schwab
80		Chet Gresham
79		Bill Beard
79		Nancy Beard
76		Robert Penner
75		Tony Schaar

Hamilton	232
129		Scott Seltman
128		Henry Armknecht
115		Pete Janzen
115		Kevin Groeneweg
98		Tyler Hicks
93		Mike Rader
93		Matt Gearheart

Harper	217
167		Pete Janzen
134		Gene Young
108		Bill Beard
108		Henry Armknecht
105		Nancy Beard
98		Leon Hicks
96		Glen Caspers
85		Kevin Groeneweg
76		Scott Seltman
76		Matt Gearheart

Harvey	318
269		Bob Dester
253		Carolyn Schwab
248		Gregg Friesen
241		Rod Wedel
221		Pete Janzen
206		Tyler Hicks
180		Cheryl Miller
136		Kevin Groeneweg
134		Kerrie Kirkpatrick
129		Nancy Beard
128		Bill Beard
111		Dan Larson
109		Henry Armknecht
100		James Barnes
100		Matt Gearheart
98		Chet Gresham
95		Mike Rader
87		Leon Hicks
82		Chuck Otte
82		Tom Ewert
78		Jaye Otte
75		Scott Seltman

Haskell	225
160		Mike Rader
108		Henry Armknecht
106		Scott Seltman
105		Pete Janzen
88		Kevin Groeneweg

Hodgeman	190
117		Scott Seltman
107		Henry Armknecht
81		Pete Janzen
79		Mary Pat Haddican
78		Kevin Groeneweg
77		Mike Rader
76		Dan Mulhern

Jackson	209
139		Chuck Otte
127		Galen Pittman
108		Henry Armknecht
107		Pete Janzen
99		John Zempel
98		Dan Larson
97		Jaye Otte
97		Kevin Groeneweg
95		Mick McHugh
92		Matt Gearheart
90		Linda Vidosh Zempel
90		Glen Caspers
89		Mike Rader
81		Tony Schaar

Jefferson	325
288		Galen Pittman
262		Mick McHugh
247		Lloyd Moore
239		David Seibel
218		Mike Rader
193		Dan Gish
189		Bob Fisher
179		Matt Gearheart
172		Dave Henness
171		Glen Caspers
160		Dave Williams
160		Dan Larson
150		Phil Wedge
134		Chuck Otte
130		Kathy McDowell
130		Mark Land
129		Jaye Otte
124		Marie Plinsky
118		Pete Janzen
117		Carol Morgan
112		Kevin Groeneweg
109		Aaron Mitchell
109		Henry Armknecht
104		Nic Allen
102		Dan Mulhern
94		Scott Seltman
90		Duane Otto
84		Sam Mannell
84		Terry Mannell
79		Tony Schaar
77		Debra McKee

Jewell	207
152		Henry Armknecht
124		Pete Janzen
103		Mike Rader
102		Scott Seltman
92		Gregg Friesen
79		Jon Strong
78		Phil Wedge

Johnson	328
281		Mark Land
271		Matt Gearheart
257		Terry Swope
247		David Seibel
245		Aaron Mitchell
243		Mick McHugh
236		Galen Pittman
228		Dave Henness
225		Nic Allen
216		Mark Corder
212		Lloyd Moore
203		Steven McDaniel
189		Dave Williams
178		Will Chatfield-Taylor
155		Bob Fisher
137		Dan Larson
133		Sue Calhoon
109		Dan Gish
106		Henry Armknecht
103		Lisa Weeks
100		Bill Beard
100		Nancy Beard
100		Pete Janzen
98		Kevin Groeneweg
94		Belky Cuevas
94		Mike Rader
89		Duane Otto
86		Scott Seltman
85		Sue Stevenson
84		Mark Stafford
82		Sam Mannell
82		Terry Mannell
79		Steve Roels
77		Chuck Otte
75		Ashley Laubach

Kearny	266
122		Scott Seltman
112		Henry Armknecht
103		Pete Janzen
87		Mick McHugh
82		Kevin Groeneweg
81		Mike Rader
81		Matt Gearheart
75		Tyler Hicks

Kingman	278
208		Pete Janzen
151		Tyler Hicks
143		Gregg Friesen
141		Mike Rader
141		Bill Beard
141		Nancy Beard
119		Henry Armknecht
112		Kevin Groeneweg
104		Leon Hicks
101		James Barnes
100		Chet Gresham
100		Scott Seltman
98		Matt Gearheart
90		Galen Pittman

Kiowa	211
136		Gregg Friesen
130		Mike Rader
127		Scott Seltman
116		Pete Janzen
106		Henry Armknecht
104		Galen Pittman
90		Dan Larson
78		Kevin Groeneweg
77		Matt Gearheart

Labette	217
172		Rick Tucker
104		Henry Armknecht
101		Pete Janzen
97		Scott Seltman
91		Matt Gearheart
89		Mike Rader
82		Galen Pittman
80		Kevin Groeneweg
78		Leon Hicks

Lane	180
102		Henry Armknecht
101		Scott Seltman
77		Pete Janzen

Leavenworth	278
250		John Schukman
237		Galen Pittman
206		Dave Williams
187		David Seibel
185		Mike Rader
180		Mick McHugh
174		Matt Gearheart
154		Dave Henness
139		Craig Faanes
127		Ron Theel
118		Scott Seltman
118		Henry Armknecht
116		Mark Land
111		Steve Roels
111		Sarah Roels
110		Dan Mulhern
108		Charles Anderson
107		Sue Calhoon
107		Sue Stevenson
104		Sam Mannell
104		Terry Mannell
103		Chuck Otte
102		Dan Larson
101		Jaye Otte
93		Kevin Groeneweg
92		Phil Wedge
89		Eugene Lewis
89		Eulalia Lewis
88		Pete Janzen
84		Gerry Parkinson
81		Cheryl Miller
77		Aaron Mitchell

Lincoln	227
177		Mike Rader
137		Henry Armknecht
110		Scott Seltman
100		Pete Janzen
93		Chuck Otte
81		Galen Pittman

Linn	327
281		Mick McHugh
273		Lloyd Moore
263		Galen Pittman
262		Mark Corder
247		Bob Fisher
227		Matt Gearheart
224		David Seibel
220		Dave Henness
217		Mark Land
203		Aaron Mitchell
191		Phil Wedge
181		Dave Williams
173		Lowell Johnson
170		Mike Rader
154		Will Chatfield-Taylor
150		Nic Allen
149		Pete Janzen
144		Steven McDaniel
135		Sue Calhoon
135		Sue Stevenson
133		Dan Mulhern
130		Scott Seltman
122		Tyler Hicks
121		Henry Armknecht
118		Gregg Friesen
111		Chet Gresham
110		Dan Larson
93		Carolyn Schwab
90		Edge Wade
89		Kevin Groeneweg
86		Chuck Otte
84		Lisa Edwards
82		Ashley Laubach
78		Jon Strong
76		Dan Gish

Logan	182
105		Henry Armknecht
84		Scott Seltman
83		Robert Penner
76		Dan Mulhern
75		Matt Gearheart
75		Pete Janzen

Lyon	302
171		Matt Gearheart
153		Galen Pittman
151		Dan Larson
130		Bill Trelc Jr.
128		Dan Mulhern
125		Mick McHugh
114		Dan Gish
113		Mark Land
113		Pete Janzen
106		Henry Armknecht
104		Kevin Groeneweg
97		Nic Allen
91		Scott Seltman
88		David Seibel
81		Chuck Otte
78		Jaye Otte
78		Dan Gish
77		Glen Caspers
77		Will Chatfield-Taylor
76		Mike Rader
75		Aaron Mitchell

Marion	266
216		Kerrie Kirkpatrick
202		Jim Wilson
199		Chet Gresham
147		Gregg Friesen
142		Tom Ewert
132		Carolyn Schwab
130		Pete Janzen
119		Nancy Beard
117		Bill Beard
110		Chuck Otte
106		Matt Gearheart
103		Henry Armknecht
102		Tyler Hicks
94		Leon Hicks
92		Galen Pittman
92		Rod Wedel
87		Jaye Otte
83		Kevin Groeneweg
78		Scott Seltman
76		Mick McHugh
75		Dan Larson

Marshall	238
211		Tom Parker
121		Dan Thalmann
115		Henry Armknecht
106		Dan Mulhern
105		Pete Janzen
102		Chuck Otte
85		Mike Rader
80		Scott Seltman
78		Galen Pittman
77		Kevin Groeneweg
76		Nic Allen

McPherson	260
179		Steve Lansaw
158		Robert Kruger
142		Gregg Friesen
136		Gerry Parkinson
122		Henry Armknecht
121		Bill Beard
121		Nancy Beard
108		Tyler Hicks
106		Pete Janzen
100		Matt Gearheart
98		Galen Pittman
95		Rod Wedel
92		Leon Hicks
91		Kevin Groeneweg
89		Mike Rader
86		Scott Seltman
83		Sam Mannell
83		Terry Mannell
79		Dan Larson
78		Chuck Otte
77		Chet Gresham

Meade	305
154		Galen Pittman
135		Scott Seltman
134		Lisa Edwards
130		Matt Gearheart
128		Tyler Hicks
116		Pete Janzen
113		Gregg Friesen
107		Mick McHugh
105		Henry Armknecht
102		Bill Beard
100		Nancy Beard
82		Kevin Groeneweg
80		Mark Land
80		Mike Rader
75		David Seibel

Miami	268
210		Lloyd Moore
209		Matt Gearheart
196		Mick McHugh
195		Mark Land
181		Dave Henness
179		Aaron Mitchell
142		Galen Pittman
123		Nic Allen
120		David Seibel
109		Henry Armknecht
105		Will Chatfield-Taylor
96		Dan Larson
89		Pete Janzen
84		Kevin Groeneweg

Mitchell	265
227		Henry Armknecht
176		Mike Rader
141		Scott Seltman
104		Phil Wedge
104		Pete Janzen
87		Eulalia Lewis
87		Eugene Lewis
86		Chuck Otte
81		Glen Caspers
77		Matt Gearheart
76		McKenzie Wiles

Montgomery	231
125		Pete Janzen
113		Kevin Groeneweg
111		Henry Armknecht
105		Dan Larson
103		Galen Pittman
92		Gregg Friesen
88		Mike Rader
87		Scott Seltman
87		Matt Gearheart
78		Carolyn Schwab
76		Chet Gresham
76		Leon Hicks

Morris	225
136		Chuck Otte
115		Henry Armknecht
104		Pete Janzen
104		Kevin Groeneweg
101		Matt Gearheart
91		Dan Larson
87		Scott Seltman
85		Jaye Otte
81		Galen Pittman
80		Mike Rader
78		Jane Withee Hebert
76		Mick McHugh

Morton	371
331		Sebastian Patti
308		Mike Rader
305		Scott Seltman
284		Galen Pittman
277		Brandon Percival
274		Max Thompson
272		Mick McHugh
265		Chet Gresham
263		Mark Corder
252		Matt Gearheart
251		Pete Janzen
244		Gene Young
243		Tyler Hicks
240		Dave Williams
236		Bob Fisher
216		Kevin Groeneweg
208		David Seibel
204		Gregg Friesen
200		Lisa Edwards
189		Leon Hicks
186		Mark Land
185		Henry Armknecht
168		Dan Gish
165		Carolyn Schwab
163		Kerrie Kirkpatrick
154		Dan Mulhern
145		Kellye Hart
140		Charles Anderson
131		Dan Larson
128		Nic Allen
119		Craig Faanes
114		Cheryl Miller
113		Phil Wedge
109		Chuck Otte
108		Edge Wade
107		Jaye Otte
106		Will Chatfield-Taylor
105		Lowell Johnson
101		Nancy Beard
100		Bill Beard
98		Robert Kruger
97		Aaron Mitchell
94		Eulalia Lewis
94		Eugene Lewis
90		Glen Caspers
88		James Barnes
82		Jim Wilson
76		Jon Strong

Nemaha	210
138		Rosella Royer
137		Galen Pittman
132		Matt Gearheart
129		John Schukman
121		Chuck Otte
119		Henry Armknecht
110		Pete Janzen
96		Mike Rader
94		Dan Larson
91		Tony Schaar
89		Kevin Groeneweg
83		Scott Seltman
82		Nic Allen
81		Ron Marteney
78		Sam Mannell
78		Terry Mannell
75		Jon Strong

Neosho	251
153		Dave Henness
150		Rick Tucker
145		Matt Gearheart
136		Kevin Groeneweg
127		Pete Janzen
115		Tyler Hicks
111		Chet Gresham
111		Henry Armknecht
106		Galen Pittman
103		Mike Rader
101		Scott Seltman
95		Mick McHugh
83		Leon Hicks
81		Sam Mannell
81		Terry Mannell
80		Chuck Otte
80		Jaye Otte
75		Dan Larson

Ness	194
134		Scott Seltman
114		Henry Armknecht
89		Pete Janzen
83		Kevin Groeneweg

Norton	193
149		Henry Armknecht
148		Scott Seltman
87		Pete Janzen
86		Matt Gearheart

Osage	304
206		Mick McHugh
182		Robert Fisher
182		Matt Gearheart
176		Galen Pittman
154		Tyler Hicks
146		Dan Larson
143		Dan Gish
138		Mark Land
122		David Seibel
118		Henry Armknecht
113		Kathy McDowell
107		Nic Allen
106		Pete Janzen
104		Kevin Groeneweg
98		Aaron Mitchell
97		Carol Morgan
96		Glen Caspers
94		Will Chatfield-Taylor
93		Marie Plinsky
89		Phil Wedge
87		Jon Strong
85		Chuck Otte
83		Mike Rader

Osborne	210
195		Henry Armknecht
165		Charles Anderson
139		Mike Rader
101		Scott Seltman
78		Sam Mannell
78		Terry Mannell

Ottawa	208
141		Henry Armknecht
119		Chuck Otte
103		Pete Janzen
101		Scott Seltman
100		Mike Rader
81		Dan Gish
78		Jaye Otte

Pawnee	276
274		Scott Seltman
140		Mike Rader
119		Henry Armknecht
113		Galen Pittman
107		Pete Janzen
104		Kevin Groeneweg
95		Mary Pat Haddican
94		Sam Mannell
94		Terry Mannell
81		Matt Gearheart

Phillips	256
198		Mike Rader
160		Henry Armknecht
149		Shannon Rothchild
138		Scott Seltman
103		Pete Janzen
96		Matt Gearheart
88		Sam Mannell
88		Terry Mannell

Pottawatomie	313
272		Ted Cable
215		Lowell Johnson
204		Dan Mulhern
197		Gene Young
196		Mike Rader
161		Charles Anderson
140		Chuck Otte
137		Henry Armknecht
117		Galen Pittman
114		John Row
108		T. J. Walker
108		Pete Janzen
104		Matt Gearheart
102		John Zempel
102		Linda Vidosh Zempel
100		Jaye Otte
95		Mick McHugh
94		Judd Patterson
84		Tom Parker
84		Dan Larson
83		Kevin Groeneweg
83		Scott Seltman
81		Carol Morgan
79		Glen Caspers
75		Sam Mannell
75		Terry Mannell

Pratt	273
217		Mike Rader
150		Pete Janzen
140		Linda Loomis
121		Kevin Groeneweg
115		Matt Gearheart
112		Henry Armknecht
105		Scott Seltman
101		Aaron Mitchell
101		Galen Pittman
98		Gregg Friesen
94		Mark Land
91		Chuck Otte
88		Jaye Otte
84		Bill Beard
84		Sam Mannell
84		Terry Mannell
83		Nancy Beard
78		Chet Gresham
77		Mary Pat Haddican
77		Robert Penner
76		Dan Larson

Rawlins	185
145		Henry Armknecht
93		Matt Gearheart
90		Pete Janzen
81		Jon Strong
77		Dan Larson

Reno	287
221		Pete Janzen
181		Chet Gresham
178		Kerrie Kirkpatrick
177		Kevin Groeneweg
171		Mike Rader
168		Bill Beard
168		Nancy Beard
156		Tyler Hicks
155		Matt Gearheart
145		Cheryl Miller
142		James Barnes
139		Henry Armknecht
138		Carolyn Schwab
131		Gregg Friesen
127		Scott Seltman
107		Leon Hicks
104		Galen Pittman
100		Nic Allen
88		Chuck Otte
86		Ben Rogers
86		Mary Pat Haddican
86		Rod Wedel
75		Jeff Calhoun

Republic	202
118		Henry Armknecht
90		Mike Rader
86		Chuck Otte
84		Pete Janzen
78		Gregg Friesen
76		Scott Seltman
75		Eulalia Lewis
75		Eugene Lewis

Rice	225
133		Mike Rader	
120		Henry Armknecht 	
104		Kevin Groeneweg	
103		Scott Seltman	
103		Pete Janzen	
100		Galen Pittman	
91		Gregg Friesen	
91		Matt Gearheart	
			
Riley	343
287		Ted Cable	
281		Lowell Johnson	
266		Dave Rintoul	
220		Mike Rader	
216		Dan Mulhern	
208		Jeff Keating	
202		John Row	
171		Chuck Otte	
161		Tom Parker	
159		Charles Anderson	
158		Judd Patterson	
156		Jaye Otte	
146		Henry Armknecht 	
125		Matt Gearheart	
121		Jane Withee Hebert	
120		T. J. Walker	
120		Dan Larson	
119		Galen Pittman	
108		Pete Janzen	
105		Dan Gish	
103		Scott Seltman	
100		Kevin Groeneweg	
95		Glen Caspers	
91		Tyler Hicks	
91		Sam Mannell	
91		Terry Mannell	
89		Mick McHugh	
87		Glenn Walbek	
81		Steve Roels	
80		Dan Thalmann	
79		Nic Allen	
			
Rooks	253
169		Henry Armknecht 	
164		Scott Seltman	
157		Mike Rader	
111		Sam Mannell	
111		Terry Mannell	
97		Pete Janzen	
			
Rush	262
250		Scott Seltman	
145		Mike Rader	
115		Henry Armknecht 	
104		Pete Janzen	
85		Matt Gearheart	
79		Kevin Groeneweg	
76		Sam Mannell	
76		Terry Mannell	
76		Gregg Friesen	
			
Russell	323
292		Mike Rader	
161		Scott Seltman	
155		Henry Armknecht 	
135		Sam Mannell	
135		Terry Mannell	
110		Chuck Otte	
107		Matt Gearheart	
108		Pete Janzen	
96		Gregg Friesen	
86		Kevin Groeneweg	
80		Jon Strong	
80		Dan Larson	
			
Saline	255
165		Mike Rader	
155		Bill Trelc Jr. 	
141		Kat Farres	
140		Dennis Farres	
130		Judd Patterson	
113		Henry Armknecht 	
109		Galen Pittman	
106		Scott Seltman	
106		Chuck Otte	
105		David Weible	
101		Pete Janzen	
89		Matt Gearheart	
84		Kevin Groeneweg	
83		Jaye Otte	
83		Dan Larson	
79		Sam Mannell	
79		Terry Mannell	
77		Gregg Friesen	
			
Scott	270
184		Scott Seltman	
137		Henry Armknecht	
127		Mike Rader	
117		Matt Gearheart	
115		Pete Janzen	
112		Gregg Friesen	
93		Kevin Groeneweg	
80		Galen Pittman	
80		Dan Larson	
			
Sedgwick	380
339		Pete Janzen	
304		John Northrup	
284		Chet Gresham	
271		Kevin Groeneweg	
266		Bill Beard	
262		Nancy Beard	
259		James Barnes 	
254		Tyler Hicks	
230		Leon Hicks	
218		Jeff Calhoun	
211		Cheryl Miller	
210		Gene Young	
193		Carolyn Schwab	
178		Charles Anderson	
174		Ben Rogers	
155		Kerrie Kirkpatrick	
148		Jim Wilson	
148		Matt Gearheart	
135		Scott Seltman	
135		Gregg Friesen	
135		Henry Armknecht 	
130		Bill Trelc Jr.	
118		Nic Allen	
116		Tony Schaar	
108		Mike Rader	
107		Sam Mannell	
107		Terry Mannell	
105		Chuck Otte	
103		Galen Pittman	
99		Dan Larson	
98		Jaye Otte	
97		Mark Land	
95		Rod Wedel	
85		Tom Ewert	
79		Glen Caspers	
75		David Seibel	
			
Seward	280
235		Mike Rader	
184		Lisa Edwards 	
156		Mick McHugh	
151		Galen Pittman	
146		Scott Seltman	
130		Henry Armknecht 	
126		Kevin Groeneweg	
104		Pete Janzen	
103		Chet Gresham	
100		Kellye Hart	
98		Tyler Hicks	
97		Matt Gearheart	
93		Gregg Friesen	
81		David Seibel	
			
Shawnee	322
247		Dan Gish	
232		Dan Larson	
203		Marie Plinsky	
196		Glen Caspers	
196		Carol Morgan	
175		Debra McKee	
169		Kathy McDowell	
163		Galen Pittman	
140		Matt Gearheart	
131		Carolyn Schwab	
125		Mick McHugh	
120		David Seibel	
118		Henry Armknecht 	
114		Bill Trelc Jr. 	
109		Randy Kennedy	
108		Chuck Otte	
102		Sam Mannell	
102		Terry Mannell	
102		Linda Vidosh Zempel	
101		John Zempel	
100		Pete Janzen	
94		Mike Rader	
92		Jaye Otte	
81		Jon Strong	
81		Tony Schaar	
78		Kevin Groeneweg	
			
Sheridan	221
136		Henry Armknecht 	
81		Scott Seltman	
80		Pete Janzen	
75		Kevin Groeneweg	
			
Sherman	271
264		John Palmquist	
137		Pete Janzen	
133		Matt Gearheart	
122		Henry Armknecht 	
117		Kevin Groeneweg	
98		Mike Rader	
98		Scott Seltman	
84		Mark Land	
84		Tony Schaar	
82		Sam Mannell	
82		Terry Mannell	
78		Robert Penner	
			
Smith	184
170		Mike Rader	
149		Henry Armknecht 	
126		Shannon Rothchild	
77		Glen Caspers	
			
Stafford	345
296		Mike Rader	
290		Scott Seltman	
247		Max Thompson	
245		Tyler Hicks	
244		Gene Young	
241		Mick McHugh	
238		Galen Pittman	
234		Bob Fisher	
232		Lloyd Moore	
231		Pete Janzen	
229		David Seibel	
225		Matt Gearheart	
225		Kevin Groeneweg	
220		Robert Penner	
218		Gregg Friesen	
214		Craig Faanes	
214		Chet Gresham	
210		Mary Pat Haddican	
208		Leon Hicks	
208		Bill Beard	
207		Nancy Beard	
206		Kerrie Kirkpatrick	
206		Marie Plinsky	
206		Cheryl Miller	
203		Chuck Otte	
202		John Northrup	
201		Kathy McDowell	
200		Aaron Mitchell	
192		Mark Land	
190		Dan Mulhern	
187		Henry Armknecht 	
186		Phil Wedge	
184		Dan Gish	
180		Carolyn Schwab	
177		James Barnes	
176		Jaye Otte	
175		Dan Larson	
174		Sam Mannell	
174		Terry Mannell	
156		Rod Wedel	
156		Nic Allen	
152		Charles Anderson	
150		Ben Rogers	
146		Rob Graham	
143		Bill Trelc Jr. 	
140		Edge Wade 	
126		Glen Caspers	
125		Will Chatfield-Taylor	
122		Lowell Johnson	
121		Lisa Edwards 	
116		Jim Wilson	
108		Steven McDaniel	
105		Judd Patterson	
102		Tom Ewert	
96		Carol Morgan	
88		Jon Strong	
81		Debra McKee	
			
Stanton	213
112		Mike Rader	
111		Scott Seltman	
104		Henry Armknecht	
100		Pete Janzen	
93		Kevin Groeneweg	
77		Matt Gearheart	
			
Stevens	200
139		Mike Rader	
113		Scott Seltman	
100		Henry Armknecht	
80		Pete Janzen	
80		Kevin Groeneweg	
			
Sumner	315
292		Max Thompson	
278		Gene Young	
238		Tyler Hicks	
227		Leon Hicks	
212		Kevin Groeneweg	
203		Pete Janzen	
203		David Seibel	
174		Mike Rader	
145		Nancy Beard	
143		Bill Beard	
132		Carolyn Schwab	
131		Chet Gresham	
129		James Barnes	
127		Henry Armknecht	
109		Scott Seltman	
107		Matt Gearheart	
94		Galen Pittman	
77		Jeff Calhoun	
			
Thomas	182
134		Henry Armknecht 	
111		William Piper	
78		Sam Mannell	
78		Terry Mannell	
			
Trego	248
206		Scott Seltman	
145		Mike Rader	
122		Matt Gearheart	
117		Henry Armknecht 	
106		Lloyd Moore	
100		Gregg Friesen	
99		Sam Mannell	
99		Terry Mannell	
86		Pete Janzen	
83		Eulalia Lewis	
83		Eugene Lewis	
82		Chuck Otte	
			
Wabaunsee	242
135		Galen Pittman	
133		Dan Gish	
131		Henry Armknecht 	
122		Dan Larson	
122		Matt Gearheart	
114		Chuck Otte	
109		Kathy Bandyk	
103		Carol Morgan	
103		Pete Janzen	
101		Mick McHugh	
95		Kevin Groeneweg	
95		Mike Rader	
89		Glen Caspers	
89		Jaye Otte	
77		Robert Penner	
			
Wallace	204
105		Henry Armknecht 	
87		Scott Seltman	
78		Matt Gearheart	
77		Kevin Groeneweg	
77		Pete Janzen	
			
Washington	250
221		Dan Thalmann	
208		Warren Buss	
143		Tom Parker	
137		Matt Gearheart	
118		Kevin Groeneweg	
118		Henry Armknecht	
117		Pete Janzen	
112		Mark Land	
111		Chuck Otte	
107		David Seibel	
104		Mike Rader	
103		Jaye Otte	
101		Scott Seltman	
100		Dan Larson	
93		Lisa Weeks	
88		Sue Calhoon	
88		Galen Pittman	
87		Sam Mannell	
87		Terry Mannell	
80		Calvin Wohler	
75		Jon Strong	
			
Wichita	176
107	 	Sebastian Patti	
103		Henry Armknecht	
101		Scott Seltman	
91		Kevin Groeneweg	
91		Pete Janzen	
82		Matt Gearheart	
			
Wilson	205
155		Pete Janzen	
153		Kevin Groeneweg	
116		Henry Armknecht	
110		Galen Pittman	
106		Ben Rogers	
92		Scott Seltman	
90		David Seibel	
85		Matt Gearheart	
82		Dan Larson	
79		Chuck Otte	
78		Sam Mannell	
78		Terry Mannell	
78		Jaye Otte	
77		Chet Gresham	
76		Tony Schaar	
			
Woodson	258
193		Tyler Hicks	
165		Jim Wilson	
158		Pete Janzen	
136		Kevin Groeneweg	
125		Gregg Friesen	
124		Matt Gearheart	
122		Carolyn Schwab	
118		Leon Hicks	
116		Galen Pittman	
112		Chuck Otte	
109		Rick Tucker	
105		Dan Larson	
101		Henry Armknecht	
99		Scott Seltman	
96		Jaye Otte	
96		David Seibel	
94		Sam Mannell	
94		Terry Mannell	
91		Chet Gresham	
85		Tony Schaar	
77		Mick McHugh	
			
Wyandotte	291
238		Lloyd Moore	
203		Dave Henness	
192		Mick McHugh	
174		Galen Pittman	
159		David Seibel	
157		Matt Gearheart	
126		Mark Land	
120		Mike Rader	
103		Henry Armknecht	
93		Pete Janzen	
85		Will Chatfield-Taylor	
82		Chuck Otte	
81		Sam Mannell	
81		Terry Mannell	
81		Dan Larson	
80		Scott Seltman	
78		Nic Allen	
			
Birders with more than 4000 Total Ticks (November 5, 2009)
Total State Ticks-26305			
13025		Henry Armknecht	
12072		Pete Janzen	
11023		Mike Rader	
10623		Scott Seltman	
10354		Matt Gearheart	
9203		Kevin Groeneweg	
8908		Galen Pittman	
5854		Dan Larson	
5777		Chuck Otte	
5247		Mick McHugh	
4686		David Seibel	
4625		Gregg Friesen	
4077		Tyler Hicks 	
			
Top Ten Counties-Total Ticks (November 5,  2009)			
Stafford		10528	
Barton		9450	
Morton		8428	
Douglas		8227	
Sedgwick		6031	
Linn			5522	
Johnson		5224	
Jefferson		4554	
Riley		4436	
Cowley		4218	
			
Kansas Lifetime List			
437		Sebastian Patti	
431		Mike Rader	
431		Mark Corder	
430		Galen Pittman	
425		JoAnn Garrett	
425		Ted Cable	
424		Mick McHugh	
420		Pete Janzen	
419		Don Vannoy	
407		Lloyd Moore	
404		Chris Hobbs	
402		Max Thompson	
400		Scott Seltman	
400		Matt Gearheart	
400		David Seibel	
390		Kevin Groeneweg	
387		Dan Kilby	
386		Dave Williams	
383		Bob Fisher	
380		Chet Gresham	
376		Mark Land	
375		Dan Gish	
373		Steven Crawford	
369		Tyler Hicks	
368		John Schukman	
366		Carolyn Schwab	
363		Chuck Otte	
359		Phil Wedge	
359		Henry Armknecht	
356		Gregg Friesen	
355		Dave Rintoul	
354		Richard Rucker	
352		Roger Boyd	
351		Aaron Mitchell	
350		Richard Parker	
349		Gene Young	
347		Dave Bryan	
347		Dan Larson	
346		Leon Hicks	
346		John Northrup	
344		Brandon Percival	
344		Craig Faanes	
343		Jaye Otte	
339		Art Swalwell	
339		Bill Beard	
335		Dan Mulhern	
335		Nancy Beard	
332		Kerrie Kirkpatrick	
328		Charles Anderson	
324		Lowell Johnson	
322		Alan Godwin	
320		Chris Wood	
319		Mel Cooksey	
318		Sam Mannell	
318		Terry Mannell	
317		Jay Newton	
317		Ralph Wiley	
316		Allen Jahn	
313		Paul Lehman	
313		Nic Allen	
311		Lisa Edwards	
311		John Rakestraw	
310		James Barnes 	
307		Elizabeth Cole	
306		Kenn Kaufman	
303		Nanette Johnson	
301		Marie Plinsky	
301		Ralph Pike	
300		Ken Hollinga	
300		A. Dean Cole	
295		Jim Wilson	
291		Will Chatfield-Taylor	
289		Pat Beckemeyer	
288		Kathy McDowell	
287		Mike Stewart	
284		Guy Smith	
284		Harry Gregory	
282		Jeff Calhoun	
280		Carl Holmes	
279		David W. Holmes	
279		Roy Beckemeyer	
277		Jananne McNitt	
275		Bradley Bergstorm	
274		Edge Wade	
270		Tom Parker	
270		Glen Caspers	
269		B.J. Rose	
269		Ben Rogers	
266		Byron Berger	
264		John Palmquist	
263		Philip Kaul	
263		Dan Thalmann	
261		Eugene R. Lewis	
261		Carol Morgan	
259		Michael Cooper	
257		Bob Dester	
254		Kellye Hart	
253		J. Pat Valentik	
251		Jean Leonatti	
250		Jimmy Woodward	
249		Harlow Butcher	
249		Hugh Jefferies	
247		Jon Dunn	
247		Jeff Keating	
247		Jeanette Runyan	
247		Bonnie Heidy	
246		Steven McDaniel	
244		Thomas Heatley	
244		Linda Childers	
243		Dean Fisher	
243		Steve Rhoades	
241		Judd Patterson	
241		Deuane Hoffman	
237		Walter Ross	
236		Tommie Rogers	
236		Dave Silverman	
235		Thomas Hoffman	
233		Victor Moss	
232		Duane Otto	
231		Tony Schaar	
230		Steve Roels	
228		Gerry Parkinson	
228		Richard Rosche	
224		Margaret Wedge	
224		Debra McKee	
221		Sarah Roels	
220		Mary Pat Haddican	
219		Jon Strong	
219		John Row	
218		T. J. Walker	
217		Dave Griffiths	
212		Laurence Binford	
211		Rod Wedel	
210		Louis Banker	
210		Robert Neill	
209		John Getgood	
209		Robert Kruger	
208		Floyd Lawhon	
206		Rob Graham	
206		Calvin Wohler	
205		Steven Den	
203		Tom Ewert	
200		Raymond Gassel	
182		Dennis Angle	
181		Sue Stevenson	
169		Donna Chance	
169		Herb Chance	
158		Ashley Laubach	
158		Harley Winfrey	
157		Jim Rising	
155		Cheryl Miller	
149		Shannon Rothchild	
141		Richard Johnston	
140		Linda Loomis	
129		Randy Kennedy	
126		Ross Silcock	
121		Jane Withee Hebert	
121		Belky Cuevas	
116		Dan Baffa	
111		William Piper	
109		Kathy Bandyk	
105		David Weible	
94		Eulalia Lewis	
94		Eugene Lewis	
81		Ron Marteney	
80		David Haight	
76		McKenzie Wiles	
			
Kansas 2009 year list (November 5, 2009)
307		Scott Seltman	
306		Pete Janzen	
290		Matt Gearheart	
290		Galen Pittman	
285		Kevin Groeneweg	
280		Dan Larson	
271		Nic Allen	
260		Henry Armknecht	
242		Mark Land	
237		Jeff Calhoun	
235		Mick McHugh	
231		Glen Caspers	
230		Chuck Otte	
208		Carol Morgan	
203		David Seibel	
184		Jaye Otte	
184		John Row	
176		Debra McKee	
145		Robert Kruger	
135		Will Chatfield-Taylor	
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Subject: Whopping Cranes
From: Paul Griffin <pgriffin1 AT COX.NET>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 00:52:02 -0600
Hi Folks,

I ended up at Cheyenne Bottoms Thursdays afternoon and was able to get  
some distant video of a large group of Whopping Cranes (about 12).   
Some of you out there may not get to see the Whopping Cranes this  
year, or have never seen them before.  So, I have put a short video on  
my website for you to see.  For those of you interested, here is a link:

http://web.me.com/wingedthings

Click on "WHOOPERS 09"

The video also obvious shows what Cheyenne Bottoms looks like, for  
those of you who have never been there.  Also, one of the Whopping  
Cranes looked like it was playing in the wind, flying up and down.   
Maybe it was a mating display, but I don't think it is the time of  
year for that.  Let me know what you think.

Happy Birding,

Paul Griffin

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Subject: Visitor Wants to See Prairie-chickens of Kansas (Comments on Whoopers)
From: Ron Klataske <prairie AT AUDUBONOFKANSAS.ORG>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 23:21:33 -0600
A gentleman from Penn. is driving to and through Kansas next week on  
his way to Denver and he wants to see both species of prairie- 
chickens if possible.  If you have any specific suggestions that are  
a pretty sure bet, please send him an e-mail (off the KS bird  
listserve) with a cc to me so I will know what information he has  
received.  His e-mail address is ShreinerSS AT Comcast.net  His name is  
Steve Shreiner.

I saw a nice flock of Greaters fly across the road north of Kanopolis  
late this afternoon.

Can't imagine not wanting to go to Cheyenne Bottoms and Quivira on  
Saturday if some of all these Whoopers can be viewed in the  
distance.  I hope it doesn't attract as many people as will go to the  
KSU/KU football game.  Anybody who leaves the roads and tries to get  
close for photos or whatever should be shot in the legs, just as  
Sandhill Crane hunter who shot Whoopers should go to jail.  However,  
I am sure that all Kansas birders want to demonstrate an honorable  
example that reflects our concern for these birds.  We want them to  
feel welcome and stay a little longer.  With this good weather,  
Kansas should provide security for resting, feeding and roosting so  
they can take their time and reserve their energy as they fly south  
to the Texas coast--which could still get destructive storms.

Thanks


Ron Klataske
Executive Director
Audubon of Kansas
210 Southwind Place
Manhattan  KS 66503
785-537-4385
Ron_Klataske AT audubonofkansas.org


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Subject: Re: Black Swan
From: David Roy <droy AT DSOELECTRICWB.COM>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:25:01 -0600
We just got back from 12 days in New Zealand. Black Swans were seen on many 
bodies of water. We were on the East coast of the North island in the Hawkes 
Bay area of Napier and Hastings. They are a beautiful bird. We took several 
pictures. They get accustomed to people much like our Canadian Geese as they 
will come up out of the water looking for you to give them something to eat. 
They will hiss and raise their wings!. We have a couple picturess trying to pet 
them. We have a new list of birds we have now seen. 

Dave and Kathie Roy
Minneapolis, KS
Ottawa County

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Subject: Whooping crane concentration
From: Ken Kinman <kinman AT HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:04:57 -0600
Dear All,
 With 14 whoopers at Quivira late on the 4th, and 18 whoopers at Cheyenne 
Bottoms on the 5th, and assuming none of the Quivira whoopers flew north 
overnight back to Cheyenne Bottoms, that would be at least 32 whooping cranes 
in that two-county area at the same time. That would be about 1/8th of the 
total Aransas flock. I doubt that such a concentration of numbers in central 
Kansas occurs very often. 


 This could be due to unfavorable migration weather during the past couple of 
weeks delaying the normal migration, and now we are getting a bunch of 
frustrated whoopers finally getting good weather at the same time. Hopefully we 
will get another few days of good migration weather early next week, so a lot 
more can fly through before next Wednesday (opening of sandhill crane hunting 
season). I've pretty much given up hope that crane hunting season will delayed 
any time soon (unless we have another incident like we had a few years back). 
So I guess we should just keep our fingers crossed that they all get through 
this year in spite of a late migration. 


 I still think global warming will mean more such late migrations in the 
future, but only time will tell. But hopefully mandatory education of crane 
hunters will also reduce the risks in any case. Still, it seems a bit of a 
gamble starting crane hunting that early, but I recognize that there will be no 
changes before another incident occurs. Most humans tend to be reactive rather 
than proactive, so it's perhaps futile to fight against that huge pool of 
indifference and apathy before something extremely bad happens. I just keep 
hoping that it won't happen this year. 

      ----Ken Kinman
          Hays, Kansas
  kennethkinman AT webtv.net
  

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Subject: Whooping Cranes at Cheyenne Bottoms
From: Chuck & Jaye Otte <otte2 AT COX.NET>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:25:16 -0600
While returning from the State EcoMeet competition at Ft. Larned National 
Historic Site late this afternoon, Annie Baker and I made a quick run through 
Cheyenne Bottoms.  At around 4 pm there were still at least 10 Whooping Cranes 
in Pool 1B.  Good to see and visit with the group of grad students from Ft. 
Hays State who were enjoying their life bird looks at Whooping Cranes, and 
thanks for letting us borrow your scope!!

Chuck

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Subject: Hedge apples
From: Patricia Marlett <pmarlett AT COX.NET>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 20:37:14 -0600
If the Mallards were going for seeds they had a way to go. I was with  
a class of 1st graders when we came upon the ducks. They were  
obviously tame park ducks because they didn't fly, but just kept on  
crunching. They chased the hedge apple for several minutes, eating  
away, but eventually abandoned it. Possibly the noisy kids finally got  
to them. As sticky as that sap is, its a wonder they didn't glue their  
bills together.

Patty Marlett
Wichita

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Subject: Re: RFI: Water bird destinations near Olathe, KS
From: sb ellis <sb.ellis AT SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:35:25 -0800
Thank you so much everyone for your replies and all of the information you sent 
me. I really appreciate it and have my homework cut out for me!  I may contact 
some of you directly with additional questions. Thank you! 


Sarah Ellis
Olathe

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Subject: Hedge apples
From: Pete Janzen <pete.janzen AT SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 20:16:20 -0600
I think the main attraction of hedge apples for many birds and also 
squirrels are the seeds embedded in the flesh.  Often in the winter you 
find the fruits on the ground that have been picked apart in search of 
the seeds which are about the size of orange seeds.  I don't know how 
many are in a typicial fruit.   Probably the flesh of the fruit is 
edible for some species.  There was a real interesting article in 
Natural History magazine a few years ago.  Hedge apple (Osage orange) 
was once widespread throughout the great plains but by the time of 
European arrival it was only found in a few tributaries of the Red River 
in the Texarkana region.  The author had a fairly well-researched theory 
that mammoths were important dispersers of osage orange as they were 
able to penetrate the thorny defenses of the tree with their trunks to 
reach the fruit.  The trees adapted thorns to deter all but the 
mammoths, who reciprocated by conveniently spreading the seeds in their 
waste.  When neolithic man wiped out the two endemic mammoth species in 
the span of just a few thousand years ending about 11,000 years ago, the 
osage orange lost its primary dispersal agent and its range shrank 
swiftly, only to enjoy new popularity when settler farmers began to use 
it in tree rows and such.  A real interesting read is "Twilight of the 
Mammoths" which covers this whole topic of the extinction of species by 
man.  In his conclusion the author goes as far as advocating the 
re-introduction of elephants, sloths and others to North America.  He 
argues that the population explosion of wild horses into the west is not 
an invasive species, but rather a native species expanding into a niche 
which was formerly its own.  But I guess that is getting pretty far 
afield from Mallards eating hedge apples.

Pete Janzen
Wichita

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Subject: Re: Hedge Apples
From: C Miller <avian67226 AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:51:37 -0600
I have seen House Finches and House Sparrows eating hedge balls. I've also
seen Black Angus bulls eat them. Talk about the "crunch" factor!  Cheryl

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 2:24 PM, G. Parkinson wrote:

> I have seen House Finches eating from hedge apples with the fruit both on
> the ground and still in the tree. I believe the local deer eat them too. I
> have the impression that this fruit is a fall-back when other food is
> scarce.  Gerry Parkinson, Lawrence
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Wichita, KS

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Subject: Hunting suspended article in CJonline
From: Debra McKee <debbymc56 AT SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:47:46 -0800
http://cjonline.com/news/state/2009-11-05/hunting_suspended_at_refuge
 
Thanks
Debby McKee
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Subject: Hedge Apples
From: "G. Parkinson" <gparkinson AT SUNFLOWER.COM>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:24:02 -0600
I have seen House Finches eating from hedge apples with the fruit both on the 
ground and still in the tree. I believe the local deer eat them too. I have the 
impression that this fruit is a fall-back when other food is scarce. Gerry 
Parkinson, Lawrence 


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Subject: RFI: Water bird destinations near Olathe, KS
From: sb ellis <sb.ellis AT SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:34:13 -0800
Hello, listserve, I'm a newbie and this is my first message. Please let me know 
of errors I make. 

 
This is my first year of wanting to see a variety of water birds, etc., during 
fall migration and wondered if I could get recommendations for places to go to 
see most variety or special birds ideally within 1 hr or 2 hr drive might be ok 
from Olathe, Kansas. After reading through the list for Barton County, sure 
wish I could make it to Cheyenne Bottoms, but that is too far for me. 

 
Have had moderate luck on several trips to Gardner Wetlands.  I did see in a 
prior post here that I should definitely go to Baker Wetlands. Any other good 
spots? 

 
Due to work schedule, I can only go on weekends if that timing makes any 
difference. My interest is not only to see more types of ducks and water birds 
for the pleasure but also in photographing them. I do post bird photos to a 
photo sharing website and if anyone is interested and if it would be 
appropriate, I would be happy to share that link. 

 
Thanks so much,
Sarah Ellis

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Subject: Re: Baltimore birding
From: "Wedge, Philip C" <pwedge AT KU.EDU>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:30:08 -0600
Camden Yards!  (But the orioles might have gone south for the winter)

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Subject: RFI: Baltimore birding


Hi all. If you know of any birding locations in Baltimore located near
the Inner Harbor, please contact me off list. Thanks much!

-- 
Cheryl
Wichita, KS

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Subject: RFI: Baltimore birding
From: C Miller <avian67226 AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:15:09 -0600
Hi all. If you know of any birding locations in Baltimore located near the
Inner Harbor, please contact me off list. Thanks much!

-- 
Cheryl
Wichita, KS

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Subject: eBird Report - Barton County, KS, US , 11/5/09
From: Robert Penner <rpenner AT TNC.ORG>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:30:34 -0500
 


Robert L. Penner II
Cheyenne Bottoms &
Avian Programs Manager    

rpenner AT tnc.org
(620) 564-3351 (Office) 
(620) 786-4745 (Mobile) 

nature.org 
     	 The Nature Conservancy
Cheyenne Bottoms Office 
593 NE 130 Avenue
Ellinwood, KS 67526
	     	 

Location:     Barton County, KS, US
Observation date:     11/5/09
Notes:     Survey includes the Cheyenne Bottoms Wildlife Area and the
Cheyenne Bottoms Preserve
Number of species:     78

Greater White-fronted Goose     26500
Snow Goose     2000
Ross's Goose     28
Cackling Goose     20
Canada Goose     7000
Gadwall     200
American Wigeon     150
Mallard     5250
Blue-winged Teal     160
Northern Shoveler     120
Northern Pintail     900
Green-winged Teal     100
Redhead     50
Ring-necked Duck     10
Lesser Scaup     30
Bufflehead     28
Hooded Merganser     3
Common Merganser     15
Ruddy Duck     500
Ring-necked Pheasant     9
Wild Turkey     13
Northern Bobwhite     12
Pied-billed Grebe     45
Eared Grebe     17
American White Pelican     60
Double-crested Cormorant     32
American Bittern     1
Great Blue Heron     26
Northern Harrier     59
Red-tailed Hawk     33
Red-tailed Hawk (Harlan's)     3
Red-tailed Hawk (Krider's)     1
Rough-legged Hawk     3
American Kestrel     2
American Coot     525
Sandhill Crane     350
Whooping Crane     18
Killdeer     10
American Avocet     30
Baird's Sandpiper     5
Long-billed Dowitcher     75
Franklin's Gull     650
Ring-billed Gull     950
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Short-eared Owl     4
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Blue Jay     3
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Brown Creeper     1
Carolina Wren     1
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American Pipit     7
Spotted Towhee     2
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Fox Sparrow     3
Song Sparrow     7
Lincoln's Sparrow     1
Harris's Sparrow     29
White-crowned Sparrow     5
Dark-eyed Junco     63
Northern Cardinal     4
Red-winged Blackbird     350
Western Meadowlark     40
meadowlark sp.     30
Brewer's Blackbird     5
Brown-headed Cowbird     20
House Finch     13
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House Sparrow     9

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Subject: Whooping Crane Update
From: Robert Penner <rpenner AT TNC.ORG>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:19:34 -0500
Late last night I spotted three Whooping Cranes on the Nature
Conservancy's  Cheyenne Bottoms Preserve.  When I got home I read the
post about nine on the Cheyenne Bottoms Wildlife Area.  This morning I
rushed out to the preserve and spotted the three birds then went to the
wildlife area and counted 13 birds.  After meeting Mike Rader and his
family I rushed back to the preserve a found the three cranes plus two
more.  I rushed back to the wildlife area and the 13 birds were still
there.  So unless these birds are flying faster then I can drive there
are 18 Whooping Cranes at Cheyenne Bottoms this morning.  Pretty
exciting morning for me.  I used to work with Whooping Cranes when I
worked for the Nebraska Game & Parks Commission 13 years ago, but 18
birds in one day is a record for me.
 
Additionally, KDWP is estimating about 100,000 geese in the bottoms with
the majority on TNC property and around 50,000 ducks with the majority
on the wildlife area.  Ill put a more complete list together later
today.
 
Robert L. Penner II
Cheyenne Bottoms &
Avian Programs Manager    

rpenner AT tnc.org
(620) 564-3351 (Office) 
(620) 786-4745 (Mobile) 

nature.org   
     	 The Nature Conservancy
Cheyenne Bottoms Office 
593 NE 130 Avenue
Ellinwood, KS 67526
	     	  	
 

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Subject: Whooping Cranes at Quivira 4 Nov 2009
From: Barry Jones <barjones78 AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:26:18 -0600
Fourteen Whooping Cranes were sighted at 4:35 pm 4 November 2009 on the 
north side of Marsh Road (170th) north of the Wildlife Drive.  These birds 
then flew to the southwest near dusk.  Due to the presence of these birds, 
the Refuge has been closed to hunting until further notice.  

For persons wishing to view the birds, please remember:

1. The birds' movements and locations can change quickly.
2. The Wildlife Drive, or other Refuge roads, may be temporarily closed to 
further protect the birds.

If you are able to view the birds, please remain at a distance and keep 
noise and movements to a minimum.

Barry Jones
Quivira NWR

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Subject: Hawk debate
From: R Hitchcock <atsf3768 AT COX.NET>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:15:06 -0500
I am not inclined to say I saw one species of hawk over another. They are too 
difficult for me to identify. I can only say that I say 18 to 20 hawks between 
southern Lyon County and just outside of Olathe yesterday on a road trip. It is 
very frustrating to know you've seen such things and not be able to put a name 
to them. 


Two of these had large patches of white on their wings (folded, pearched on an 
object) and the rest did not. I also say two white birds in trees along the 
route, again I can't say what they were. 

--
-
Rick Hitchcock

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Subject: 16 Whooping Cranes at CB/ 5 Nov.
From: Scott Seltman <sselt AT GBTA.NET>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:14:03 -0600
I just received a report from Jenn Rader that there are 16 Whoopers at 
Cheyenne Bottoms, 13 in Pool 1B [the NE sector of the central pool] and 3 
on TNC property.

With fairly brisk SE winds expected throughout the day, I'd imagine at 
least some of these birds will remain in the area at least 24 more hours?

Scott Seltman
1968 155th Ave.
Larned, KS 67550

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Subject: Re: Whooping Cranes (Conservation Considerations)
From: Curtis Wolf <cjwolf AT FHSU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 22:44:42 -0600
Pool 1, where both I and Max/Kay saw the whoopers is the refuge area and thus 
closed to hunting anyway. My understanding of KDWP protocol (Karl Grover, area 
manager of CBWA may want to correct me) for this situation is if they are 
spotted in a different pool, all hunting will be closed in that pool. Signs are 
posted at all entrances to notify hunters that whoopers are in the area. 
Additionally, if whoopers are in any of the pools, the goose hunting zone on 
the South edge of the Bottoms is automatically closed to crane and light goose 
hunting if in season. 


I must defer to Karl as far as protocol for observations after hours. However, 
I do know that Karl and his staff make regular checks for whoopers each evening 
at this time of year to spot any birds that may have shown up so that 
appropriate actions can be taken. 


All 9 birds I saw had adult plumage.

Curtis J. Wolf
Manager, Kansas Wetlands Education Center
Fort Hays State University
P.O. Box 618
Great Bend, KS 67530
Toll free: 1-877-243-9268
cjwolf AT fhsu.edu



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From: Ron Klataske 
Sent by: Birds & Their Habitats in Kansas 
Date: 11/04/2009 10:08PM
Subject: Re: Whooping Cranes (Conservation Considerations)

Curtis,

Will the pool(s) they are using be closed to hunting while they  
remain at Cheyenne Bottoms?  Is there a protocol for observers to  
contact the appropriate KDWP person, after hours, to implement this  
process for the next morning?  Did you get a determination on the  
number of young-of-the-year in the group you saw?  It may be possible  
that the three Max saw were in addition to the nine at the north  
side.  There were 19 in one field in the heart of their fall staging  
area in Saskatchewan in early October.  At least 20 Whooping Cranes  
died last winter along the Texas coast, and only 20 young were  
fledged on the nesting ground this summer.  The best we can hope for  
this calendar year is that they have a safe migration and hold their  
own until they can continue to build their population.  The protocol  
for protecting them while they are in migration (resting, roosting  
and feeding without disturbance) and on Kansas wetlands/public lands  
is an important aspect of this species' conservation and our state's  
obligation.--Ron

Ron Klataske
Executive Director
Audubon of Kansas
210 Southwind Place
Manhattan  KS 66503
785-537-4385
Ron_Klataske AT audubonofkansas.org


On Nov 4, 2009, at 9:41 PM, Curtis Wolf wrote:

> Max, I'm guessing it was you that came in the KWEC this evening and  
> gave the report of the whooping cranes.  My administrative  
> assistant called me and told me of the report.  I took a drive  
> through the Bottoms and was able to see 9 whooping cranes in one  
> group at the north side of Pool 1B just before sunset.  They were  
> about 200 yards from the road.  All adults.  They were with 4  
> sandhill cranes and a bunch of gulls.  A great sight!!
>
> The KWEC will try to keep tabs on their location for visitors  
> wishing to see them.
>
> Curtis J. Wolf
> Manager, Kansas Wetlands Education Center
> Fort Hays State University
> P.O. Box 618
> Great Bend, KS 67530
> Toll free: 1-877-243-9268
> cjwolf AT fhsu.edu
>
>
>
> -----Birds & Their Habitats in Kansas   
> wrote: -----
>
>
> To: KSBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
> From: Max Miller 
> Sent by: Birds & Their Habitats in Kansas 
> Date: 11/04/2009 08:56PM
> Subject: Whooping Cranes
>
> Kay and I were at Cheyenne Bottoms today, where we saw 3 Whooping  
> Cranes.  They were on an island on pool C1, (I think it was C1  
> anyway).  We watched them for about 15 minutes and then they took  
> off heading South.  We couldn't tell if they were just moving down  
> a bit or were moving out.  This was about 3 PM.  They all had adult  
> plumage.  We got some so-so pictures, (through the scope), but I  
> don't have any place to post them.
>
> Plenty of raptors up here.  Our conversation today sounded like the  
> Short Tailed posts, (only not nearly so sophisticated).
>
> Max & Kay Miller
> Wichita, Ks
> maxm99 AT yahoo.com
>
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Subject: Re: Whooping Cranes (Conservation Considerations)
From: Ron Klataske <prairie AT AUDUBONOFKANSAS.ORG>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 22:08:17 -0600
Curtis,

Will the pool(s) they are using be closed to hunting while they  
remain at Cheyenne Bottoms?  Is there a protocol for observers to  
contact the appropriate KDWP person, after hours, to implement this  
process for the next morning?  Did you get a determination on the  
number of young-of-the-year in the group you saw?  It may be possible  
that the three Max saw were in addition to the nine at the north  
side.  There were 19 in one field in the heart of their fall staging  
area in Saskatchewan in early October.  At least 20 Whooping Cranes  
died last winter along the Texas coast, and only 20 young were  
fledged on the nesting ground this summer.  The best we can hope for  
this calendar year is that they have a safe migration and hold their  
own until they can continue to build their population.  The protocol  
for protecting them while they are in migration (resting, roosting  
and feeding without disturbance) and on Kansas wetlands/public lands  
is an important aspect of this species' conservation and our state's  
obligation.--Ron

Ron Klataske
Executive Director
Audubon of Kansas
210 Southwind Place
Manhattan  KS 66503
785-537-4385
Ron_Klataske AT audubonofkansas.org


On Nov 4, 2009, at 9:41 PM, Curtis Wolf wrote:

> Max, I'm guessing it was you that came in the KWEC this evening and  
> gave the report of the whooping cranes.  My administrative  
> assistant called me and told me of the report.  I took a drive  
> through the Bottoms and was able to see 9 whooping cranes in one  
> group at the north side of Pool 1B just before sunset.  They were  
> about 200 yards from the road.  All adults.  They were with 4  
> sandhill cranes and a bunch of gulls.  A great sight!!
>
> The KWEC will try to keep tabs on their location for visitors  
> wishing to see them.
>
> Curtis J. Wolf
> Manager, Kansas Wetlands Education Center
> Fort Hays State University
> P.O. Box 618
> Great Bend, KS 67530
> Toll free: 1-877-243-9268
> cjwolf AT fhsu.edu
>
>
>
> -----Birds & Their Habitats in Kansas   
> wrote: -----
>
>
> To: KSBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
> From: Max Miller 
> Sent by: Birds & Their Habitats in Kansas 
> Date: 11/04/2009 08:56PM
> Subject: Whooping Cranes
>
> Kay and I were at Cheyenne Bottoms today, where we saw 3 Whooping  
> Cranes.  They were on an island on pool C1, (I think it was C1  
> anyway).  We watched them for about 15 minutes and then they took  
> off heading South.  We couldn't tell if they were just moving down  
> a bit or were moving out.  This was about 3 PM.  They all had adult  
> plumage.  We got some so-so pictures, (through the scope), but I  
> don't have any place to post them.
>
> Plenty of raptors up here.  Our conversation today sounded like the  
> Short Tailed posts, (only not nearly so sophisticated).
>
> Max & Kay Miller
> Wichita, Ks
> maxm99 AT yahoo.com
>
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Subject: Re: Strange Duck Food
From: Thomas Shane <tom.shane AT SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 21:50:02 -0600
I was in Topeka one day about 25 years ago. When I got out of my car I heard
this intense crunching sound a few yards from me. I located the source and
it was a Fox Squirrel working over a hedge ball. By the amount of debris on
the car below it I was sure it was on it's 4th or 5th one. I often wondered
about the guys paint.

One of the books that Sara and I use the most is:

Martin, Zim, and Nelson. 1961. American Wildlife and Plants. Dover, NY. It
was first published by McGraw-Hill in 1951.

I have had it for over 40 years. I would recommend a copy for everyone's
library. I think you should probably be able to pick up a copy real cheap on
some of the used book sites. Dover may still have them in print.

MZ&N list only two species utilizing the seeds from the Osage-Orange, the
Northern Bobwhite and the Fox Squirrel.

I have a hard time believing a duck could put a groove in a hedge ball, but
anything is possible. I would guess a squirrel started the groove and then
dropped the thing in the water. Just a wild guess.

Patty, you should have stayed around another 5 or 6 hours to see how much
was really consumed. :>)

Good duck watching,
Tom Shane


-----Original Message-----
Subject: Strange Duck Food

Yesterday I was on the west side of Chisholm Creek Park and observed a
pair of Mallards on the creek eating a hedge apple. It was like they
were bobbing for apples, since it wouldn't hold still. They chased it
all over the place, nibbling away. It was a very large hedge apple -
at least 6 inches in diameter. They had a groove about an inch deep
and the width of a duck bill carved out all the way around it. I would
never have believed ducks would eat such a thing. Is this common?

Patty Marlett
Wichita

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Subject: Re: Whooping Cranes
From: Curtis Wolf <cjwolf AT FHSU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 21:41:39 -0600
Max, I'm guessing it was you that came in the KWEC this evening and gave the 
report of the whooping cranes. My administrative assistant called me and told 
me of the report. I took a drive through the Bottoms and was able to see 9 
whooping cranes in one group at the north side of Pool 1B just before sunset. 
They were about 200 yards from the road. All adults. They were with 4 sandhill 
cranes and a bunch of gulls. A great sight!! 

 
The KWEC will try to keep tabs on their location for visitors wishing to see 
them. 


Curtis J. Wolf
Manager, Kansas Wetlands Education Center
Fort Hays State University
P.O. Box 618
Great Bend, KS 67530
Toll free: 1-877-243-9268
cjwolf AT fhsu.edu



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From: Max Miller 
Sent by: Birds & Their Habitats in Kansas 
Date: 11/04/2009 08:56PM
Subject: Whooping Cranes

Kay and I were at Cheyenne Bottoms today, where we saw 3 Whooping Cranes. They 
were on an island on pool C1, (I think it was C1 anyway). We watched them for 
about 15 minutes and then they took off heading South. We couldn't tell if they 
were just moving down a bit or were moving out. This was about 3 PM. They all 
had adult plumage. We got some so-so pictures, (through the scope), but I don't 
have any place to post them. 


Plenty of raptors up here. Our conversation today sounded like the Short Tailed 
posts, (only not nearly so sophisticated). 


Max & Kay Miller
Wichita, Ks
maxm99 AT yahoo.com

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Subject: black swan
From: Rick Tucker <rickt AT WAVEWLS.COM>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 21:30:47 -0600
Australian Black Swan it is. Thanks to Jeff Witters, Chuck Otte and all others 
who replied. We googled that and it was a match. Much appreciated. 

Rick Tucker
Parsons

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Subject: Black Swan
From: "Max C. Thompson" <maxt AT COX.NET>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 21:09:40 -0600
Oops.  Forgot my  latin.  It is Cygnus atratus.  Good article on the 
New Zealand population and the first person to describe this bird.

   www..nzbirds.com/birds/blackswan.html


Max



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Subject: Whooping Cranes
From: Max Miller <maxm99 AT YAHOO.COM>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 18:56:37 -0800
Kay and I were at Cheyenne Bottoms today, where we saw 3 Whooping Cranes.  They 
were on an island on pool C1, (I think it was C1 anyway).  We watched them for 
about 15 minutes and then they took off heading South.  We couldn't tell if 
they were just moving down a bit or were moving out.  This was about 3 PM.  
They all had adult plumage.  We got some so-so pictures, (through the scope), 
but I don't have any place to post them. 


Plenty of raptors up here.  Our conversation today sounded like the Short 
Tailed posts, (only not nearly so sophisticated). 


Max & Kay Miller
Wichita, Ks
maxm99 AT yahoo.com

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Subject: Black Swan
From: "Max C. Thompson" <maxt AT COX.NET>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 21:00:41 -0600
The Black Swan is probably an escape from someplace.  They are common 
in captivity.  As Will said they are Cygnus atra.  BUT they are 
native to Australia and not Egypt. They were introduced into New 
Zealand where they have become a major pest.
Max


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Subject: black swans
From: betty leader <bleader AT SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 18:44:41 -0800
You can read about them & see pictures of them in their natural habitat on 
WikiPedia.org. 

 
Betty Leader
Wichita

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Subject: black swan
From: betty leader <bleader AT SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 18:33:26 -0800
The Australian swan is black with an orange-red beak with a white ring around 
it.  

 
According to WikiPedia.org, it was 1st identifed by an English naturalist in 
1790 & placed in the monotypic genus.chenopis and is said to be unlike any 
other Aussie bird. 

 
It is common in wetlands.
 
Betty Leader
Wichita

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Subject: Oops`
From: Will Chatfield-Taylor <willc-t AT KU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:34:50 -0600
Sorry, they're native to Australia

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Subject: Re: black swan
From: Will Chatfield-Taylor <willc-t AT KU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:32:47 -0600
Most likely Cygnus atra, the Black Swan. And it is definitely domestic.
They're native to Egypt. Still cool though

On 11/4/09 8:20 PM, "Christine Kline, Secretary" 
wrote:

> Why reply off list?  I'd like to know if it's domestic or real.  Live or
> Memorex?  Ha ha.
> 
> Christine Kline, 
> Secretary
>   
>  Text Box: 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Birds & Their Habitats in Kansas [mailto:KSBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Rick Tucker
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:06 PM
> To: KSBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
> Subject: black swan
> 
> My neighbor's son works at Shell-Osage Wildlife area in southwest missouri
> (not far from the Kansas line)   He saw and sent a picture of what appears
> to be a black swan.  It was taken with a cell phone and clearly appears to
> be a swan by size and shape.  It has black legs and feet and an orange bill
> with white ring around the tip.
> We looked on All About Birds and could not find anything about black swans.
> Is this a domestic bird?  Any info appreciated.  Please reply off list.
> Thanks and good birding
> Rick Tucker
> Parsons   
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Subject: Re: black swan
From: "Christine Kline, Secretary" <birdsecretary AT COMCAST.NET>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:20:26 -0600
Why reply off list?  I'd like to know if it's domestic or real.  Live or
Memorex?  Ha ha.

Christine Kline, 
Secretary
  
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Subject: black swan

My neighbor's son works at Shell-Osage Wildlife area in southwest missouri
(not far from the Kansas line)   He saw and sent a picture of what appears
to be a black swan.  It was taken with a cell phone and clearly appears to
be a swan by size and shape.  It has black legs and feet and an orange bill
with white ring around the tip.  
We looked on All About Birds and could not find anything about black swans.
Is this a domestic bird?  Any info appreciated.  Please reply off list. 
Thanks and good birding
Rick Tucker
Parsons   

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Subject: Strange Duck Food
From: Patricia Marlett <pmarlett AT COX.NET>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:15:44 -0600
Yesterday I was on the west side of Chisholm Creek Park and observed a  
pair of Mallards on the creek eating a hedge apple. It was like they  
were bobbing for apples, since it wouldn't hold still. They chased it  
all over the place, nibbling away. It was a very large hedge apple -  
at least 6 inches in diameter. They had a groove about an inch deep  
and the width of a duck bill carved out all the way around it. I would  
never have believed ducks would eat such a thing. Is this common?

Patty Marlett
Wichita

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Subject: black swan
From: Rick Tucker <rickt AT WAVEWLS.COM>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:06:05 -0600
My neighbor's son works at Shell-Osage Wildlife area in southwest missouri (not 
far from the Kansas line) He saw and sent a picture of what appears to be a 
black swan. It was taken with a cell phone and clearly appears to be a swan by 
size and shape. It has black legs and feet and an orange bill with white ring 
around the tip. 

We looked on All About Birds and could not find anything about black swans. Is 
this a domestic bird? Any info appreciated. Please reply off list. 

Thanks and good birding
Rick Tucker
Parsons

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Subject: New online course about bird behavior
From: Patricia Leonard <pel27 AT CORNELL.EDU>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:23:15 -0500
I realize I'm biased because I work for the Cornell Lab of Ornithology(!),
but I'm hoping the birders on this listserv might be interested in a brand
new online course we're offering on bird behavior. It's called
"Investigating Behavior-Courtship and Rivalry in Birds." A small group takes
the course at the same time over five weeks. It's full of neat interactive
activities including video of dancing birds-of-paradise we just collected in
Papua New Guinea. No hard sell here-I just wanted you to know it's out
there-the next session starts November 11 and the one after that begins
January 6 if you're too busy to do it now. It's offered through eCornell-and
you can visit this page to get all the gory details:
http://www.ecornell.com/birds. Pass it on!

All the best,
Pat Leonard

 


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Subject: Ulysses Birds
From: Kellye Hart <pubah73 AT YAHOO.COM>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:17:49 -0800
This morning, Sam Guy and I spent a couple of hours birding in and around 
Ulysses and saw the following: 


Turkey Vulture - 1 feeding on road kill near Frazier Park
Red-bellied Woodpecker -  1 at Frazier Park, first in 3-4 years
Northern Flicker - 3
Red-tailed Hawk - 4, one of which was a dark morph
Ferrurginous Hawk --1 
American Crow - 12
Horned Lark
Western Meadowlark
American Robin
Chipping Sparrow
White-crowned Sparrow
House Sparrow
Dark-eyed Junco
Yellow-rumped Warbler
Red-winged Blackbird
Mourning Dove
Collared Dove 
Rock Pigeon
Ring-billed Gull
Pied-billed Grebe
Canada Goose - 15
Cackling Goose - 25
Mallard

Kellye Hart

Ulysses, Grant County, KS




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Subject: SG Co Merlin, Siskins
From: Jeff Calhoun <jecalhoun AT WICHITA.EDU>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:53:36 -0600
I intended to sleep in on this Wednesday morning that I had off, but when 
the alarm I forgot to turn off was playing Red Dirt Road this AM I just 
let life roll with it. One thing led to another and I ended up dinking at 
and around the family’s land just west of Derby in beautiful Sedgwick 
County, Kansas for about an hour where I enjoyed the following birds of 
interest.

Merlin – 1 first time I’ve seen in the area and only my 2nd ever in SG Co
Am Crow – numbers approaching 300 funneling down river in the morning and 
a couple hundred more living it up on corn stubble in the area
Am Pipit – 7 flying over and 2 on Arkansas River sandbars
E Screech Owl – 1 Red Phase in his box :) 
Am Tree Sparrow – 4
Pine Siskin - 3+
Both flavors of Kinglets, Waxwing, Robins, YR Warblers all in healthy 
numbers

It was a long and unspectacular first half of the week so hopefully this 
midweek shot of birds sparks a great second half!

Jeff Calhoun
Derby, Kansas

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Subject: Birding around Manhattan Nov. 3
From: Ann Feyerharm <afey AT KANSAS.NET>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:30:59 -0600
River Pond Area -1 Pied-billed Grebe, 2 Eagles -1adult and 1 immature, 1 Hooded 
Merganser, 2 pelicans, 2 Gadwalls, many Mallards, many cormorants, 50 or so 
geese, small flock of Ringbills. 


Willow Lake -zip!

Pott 2 Lake -nary a duck. Tree sparrows, red-headed woodpeckers, yellow-bellied 
sapsucker along the west and north shores. 


Ann Feyerharm and Marge Muenzenberger

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Subject: Barred Owl
From: Jeff Calhoun <jecalhoun AT WICHITA.EDU>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:14:40 -0600
I just had a Barred Owl calling in my not-so-owl-friendly backyard. First
Owl I've ever had in the yard. Even though Barred Owls are now expected on
my bike rides just blocks away from home and are practically a trash bird
after a couple miles through town, their presence in a yard like mine still
speaks volumes to how well they are doing locally.

I like Barred Owls,

Jeff Calhoun
Derby, KS 

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Subject: Re: Potential short tailed hawk discussion
From: Anna Fasoli <annafasoli AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 00:11:45 -0500
I guess the link would be helpful.


http://fosbirds.org/FFN/PDFs/FFNv01n2p14-17Ogden.pdf



Apologies for all of the mystery bird posts!



Anna Fasoli,

Custer County


On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:09 AM, Anna Fasoli  wrote:

> Even if we don't decide on a short tailed (which seems like where the
> general census is going), this is an interesting paper, even though it is
> pretty old!
>
>
> "The tail of the Short-tailed Hawk is 6 or 7
>
> inches long, and does not appear proportionately shorter than that of some
>
> other buteos. Its wings, however, are quite long and broad, and probably
>
> have a greater surface area in relation to body size than do those of most
>
> other buteos."
>
>
>
> I should also clear up, the bird both kited and hovered in between low
> soaring.  Eventually the bird got a little higher as it left.
>
>
>
> And, I forgot to add before, there were about 250+ sandhill cranes at the
> end of Road 792.
>
> Anna Fasoli,
>
> Custer County
>

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Subject: Re: Potential short tailed hawk discussion
From: Anna Fasoli <annafasoli AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 00:09:01 -0500
Even if we don't decide on a short tailed (which seems like where the
general census is going), this is an interesting paper, even though it is
pretty old!


"The tail of the Short-tailed Hawk is 6 or 7

inches long, and does not appear proportionately shorter than that of some

other buteos. Its wings, however, are quite long and broad, and probably

have a greater surface area in relation to body size than do those of most

other buteos."



I should also clear up, the bird both kited and hovered in between low
soaring.  Eventually the bird got a little higher as it left.



And, I forgot to add before, there were about 250+ sandhill cranes at the
end of Road 792.

Anna Fasoli,

Custer County

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Subject: Re: POTENTIAL short tailed hawk, NEBRASKA
From: Mark Land <Kestrelland AT AOL.COM>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:57:48 EST
I'll throw in my two cents.

First size: length Short-tailed 15-17 inches. 
                     Red-tailed    17-22 inches
                     Am. Crow     17-21 inches

It's not an adult Short-tailed as there is no subterminal tail stripe. Just 
look at that light colored eye in the first photo. This bird is a 
youngster! Look at the spotting across the belly and compare it in the 
Red-tailed 

Hawk section with plate 363, 376 and 377 in Brian Wheeler's Raptors of Eastern 
North America. Then compare it to plate 250 in the Short-tailed Hawk 
section. The wing banding and the tail banding look better for Red-tailed. 

Shape: Tail proportions on Red-tailed and Short-tailed Hawk are close to 
the same.
The wing proportions look good for Red-tailed and way too long for 
Short-tailed in all the pictures. 

In the flight style it is mentioned that it was kiting like a kestrel. 
Kestrels from my observations kite very little. They hover hunt a lot. 
Short-tailed Hawks are said to kite a lot. Red-tails do both hover and kite 
regularly. 

Hopefully you can find it again and get some other pictures. Right now my 
opinion is dark morph juvenile Harlan's Red-tailed Hawk. 

Mark Land
Overland Park, KS 66207



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Subject: Re: POTENTIAL short tailed hawk, NEBRASKA
From: Pete Janzen <pete.janzen AT SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 20:45:47 -0600
Ok ok I'll say "uncle" on this one.  I never did win too many rounds of 
thumb wrestling...which is why I stated in advance I wasn't going to 
enter the ring.  Non-Ferruginous it is!!


PJ

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Subject: Re: POTENTIAL short tailed hawk, NEBRASKA
From: Elmer Finck <efinck AT FHSU.EDU>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 20:45:11 -0600
Anna -- You photos have not convinced me that this is a short-tailed hawk. 
 Size is difficult to tell in the photos.  mas tarde, EJF



Anna Fasoli  
Sent by: Birds & Their Habitats in Kansas 
11/03/2009 08:25 PM
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Re: POTENTIAL short tailed hawk, NEBRASKA






I think I personally have to rule out ferruginous hawk.  They have a huge
wingspan (56 inches in comparison to red tail 49, short tailed 37...all 
from
Sibley), and what I saw was def. not a huge wingspan.

I don't wish to thumb wrestle either!  I think this is a good discussion 
to
continue.

This bird was crow sized.  It literally flew right towards me, and I think 
I
got a very good idea of its size, as it was very low (20-30 feet above
powerline).  I have never called a red tail flying at me "small."  Again, 
I
haven't seen these smaller harlan's, so I still can't thumb wrestle those
who have!  :o)



On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Wedge, Philip C  wrote:

> Size is hard to judge in wide open skies both in a photo and in person. 
It
> looks like a dark-phase Ferruginous Hawk to me (note commas, for 
example).
>
> Phil Wedge
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Birds & Their Habitats in Kansas on behalf of Anna Fasoli
> Sent: Tue 11/3/2009 3:55 PM
> To: KSBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
> Subject: POTENTIAL short tailed hawk, NEBRASKA
>
>
>
> I have posted this same post on Nebraska birds, and I am gathering 
people
> to look for the bird.  If anyone else can spare time, it would be great 
to
> relocate this bird.
>
> Around 11:15 am this morning, I found a shrike sitting on a telephone 
wire
> onroad 792 in Custer County (approximate coordinates 41.306666° -
> 100.220606°) I was getting great photos. All of a sudden in my
> camera shot, a dark bird appeared. My intial thought was that it was a
> night hawk...small, dark, and some evidence of white on the wings. This 
is
> when I snapped the photos below, as the hawk was coming towards me and
> approximately 20-30 feet above me (my camera was on full 20x zoom).
> However as I watched the bird head straight for me, it became clear that
> it was not a night hawk at all, but a small hawk like bird, actually
> bigger than a night hawk. My initial thought was accipiter, only because
> it seemed to match the size. However, none of the markings were correct,
> and the bird was not acting like an accipter. I watched it soar,
> then "kite" repeatedly (similar to the behavior of a kestrel,
> but not as rapid/quick). This bird was too small to be a red-tailed hawk
> or a rough legged hawk (never have I looked at either and thought "night
> hawk"). It stayed around for about 5 minutes, slowly getting father and
> farther away. I called Alex Lamoreaux, my boyfriend and also,
> conveniently, raptor expert, in Pennsylvania, and
> he suggested that I was observing a merlin. Again, the field marks were
> incorrect for any kind of falcon. The bird left, and I took varios 
photos
> of its silhouette, and a brief video. I then consulted my Peterson guide
> to hawks, and the only thing I can match my photo to is a juvenile short
> tailed hawk, dark morph, mottled type. Not only are the field marks
> correct, but the size is also matching.
>
>
> I understand this would be near impossible in Nebraska, but I am 
confident
> in what I saw. The main thing to keep in mind is its small size, and 
that
> it was smaller than a red tail (short tailed hawks and harlans are 
almost
> identical, except for size).  I have seen numerous red tails on my trip
> and I am sure it was not a red tail.  At the same time it is good to be
> skeptical.
>
> It would be excellent if someone could help me relocate the bird
> and confirm its presence, in addition to the photos I have already 
taken.
> Please call me  814 421 6924 if you can help.  This is very rare and
> obviosuly needs well documented...I can spend a few days in Arnold 
trying
> to locate the bird again, but otherwise I have to get back on the road.
> The bird headed for Arnold State Recreation Area, but I cannot access 
this
> area (the roads are muddy/rutted, can't get there in my 2WD vehicle).
>
> 
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Q8Bm8OdCI6U/SvCP5aix2sI/AAAAAAAAASM/JMESFYgLXAA/s

> 1600-\
> h/IMG_6661+(640x448).jpg
>
> 
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Q8Bm8OdCI6U/SvCP4JhxYcI/AAAAAAAAASE/_NP08C40XGE/s

> 1600-\
> h/IMG_6661+(2)+(640x359).jpg
>
> 
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Q8Bm8OdCI6U/SvCZU7ImMpI/AAAAAAAAASU/M0PKDsHLic4/s

> 1600-h/IMG_6669+(640x402).jpg
>
> 
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Q8Bm8OdCI6U/SvCZVlcDtzI/AAAAAAAAASc/8PdkrrLyXCg/s

> 1600-h/IMG_6663+(475x426).jpg
>
> Link to blog and all photos http://annafasoli.blogspot.com/
>
> (raptors of wetern north america as a reference, by Brian K Wheeler
> page 267--dark brown head forms bib, white mottled belly, and flanks)
>
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Subject: Re: POTENTIAL short tailed hawk, NEBRASKA
From: Scott Seltman <sselt AT GBTA.NET>
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:33:26 -0600
When it comes to birds like this, I'm alot better at IDing them in person! 
Based purely on the existing photos, I'll cast my lot with the Red-tailed 
Hawk crowd.  But I don't necessarily think I'd pin the name "Harlan's" on 
this bird.  I'm thinking it's just a very very BLACK version of a Western 
Red-tailed [B.j.calurus] that I see alot of in the Sacramento Valley 
[Robinson Rd. Rules!!] in mid-winter and occasionally around here.

And show me a Ferruginous Hawk, even a dark-phase, with primaries that are 
SOLID BLACK several inches in from the tip and I'll . . . I'll . . . well, 
I'm not what sure I'd do, because it's a rhetorical question.

Lately I've had alot of luck using Google for bird pics when IDing mystery 
birds.  For example, type "ferruginous hawk images" in the search box and 
you'll find shots like these two, including one from OK birderwhiz Steve 
Metz:

http://www.suttoncenter.org/images/FerruginousHawkMetz.jpg


http://www.miriameaglemon.com/photogallery/Photos/PC103176%20Ferruginous%20Hawk%20DM%20Rangeland.jpg 


BTW, had both Ferruginous Hawk and Golden Eagle here at our house this 
afternoon.

Scott Seltman
1968 155th Ave.
Larned, KS 67550

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Subject: Re: POTENTIAL short tailed hawk, NEBRASKA
From: Anna Fasoli <annafasoli AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:25:21 -0500
I think I personally have to rule out ferruginous hawk.  They have a huge
wingspan (56 inches in comparison to red tail 49, short tailed 37...all from
Sibley), and what I saw was def. not a huge wingspan.

I don't wish to thumb wrestle either!  I think this is a good discussion to
continue.

This bird was crow sized.  It literally flew right towards me, and I think I
got a very good idea of its size, as it was very low (20-30 feet above
powerline).  I have never called a red tail flying at me "small."  Again, I
haven't seen these smaller harlan's, so I still can't thumb wrestle those
who have!  :o)



On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Wedge, Philip C  wrote:

> Size is hard to judge in wide open skies both in a photo and in person.  It
> looks like a dark-phase Ferruginous Hawk to me (note commas, for example).
>
> Phil Wedge
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Birds & Their Habitats in Kansas on behalf of Anna Fasoli
> Sent: Tue 11/3/2009 3:55 PM
> To: KSBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
> Subject: POTENTIAL short tailed hawk, NEBRASKA
>
>
>
> I have posted this same post on Nebraska birds, and I am gathering people
> to look for the bird.  If anyone else can spare time, it would be great to
> relocate this bird.
>
> Around 11:15 am this morning, I found a shrike sitting on a telephone wire
> onroad 792 in Custer County (approximate coordinates 41.306666° -
> 100.220606°) I was getting great photos. All of a sudden in my
> camera shot, a dark bird appeared. My intial thought was that it was a
> night hawk...small, dark, and some evidence of white on the wings. This is
> when I snapped the photos below, as the hawk was coming towards me and
> approximately 20-30 feet above me (my camera was on full 20x zoom).
> However as I watched the bird head straight for me, it became clear that
> it was not a night hawk at all, but a small hawk like bird, actually
> bigger than a night hawk. My initial thought was accipiter, only because
> it seemed to match the size. However, none of the markings were correct,
> and the bird was not acting like an accipter. I watched it soar,
> then "kite" repeatedly (similar to the behavior of a kestrel,
> but not as rapid/quick). This bird was too small to be a red-tailed hawk
> or a rough legged hawk (never have I looked at either and thought "night
> hawk"). It stayed around for about 5 minutes, slowly getting father and
> farther away. I called Alex Lamoreaux, my boyfriend and also,
> conveniently, raptor expert, in Pennsylvania, and
> he suggested that I was observing a merlin. Again, the field marks were
> incorrect for any kind of falcon. The bird left, and I took varios photos
> of its silhouette, and a brief video. I then consulted my Peterson guide
> to hawks, and the only thing I can match my photo to is a juvenile short
> tailed hawk, dark morph, mottled type. Not only are the field marks
> correct, but the size is also matching.
>
>
> I understand this would be near impossible in Nebraska, but I am confident
> in what I saw. The main thing to keep in mind is its small size, and that
> it was smaller than a red tail (short tailed hawks and harlans are almost
> identical, except for size).  I have seen numerous red tails on my trip
> and I am sure it was not a red tail.  At the same time it is good to be
> skeptical.
>
> It would be excellent if someone could help me relocate the bird
> and confirm its presence, in addition to the photos I have already taken.
> Please call me  814 421 6924 if you can help.  This is very rare and
> obviosuly needs well documented...I can spend a few days in Arnold trying
> to locate the bird again, but otherwise I have to get back on the road.
> The bird headed for Arnold State Recreation Area, but I cannot access this
> area (the roads are muddy/rutted, can't get there in my 2WD vehicle).
>
> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Q8Bm8OdCI6U/SvCP5aix2sI/AAAAAAAAASM/JMESFYgLXAA/s
> 1600-\
> h/IMG_6661+(640x448).jpg
>
> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Q8Bm8OdCI6U/SvCP4JhxYcI/AAAAAAAAASE/_NP08C40XGE/s
> 1600-\
> h/IMG_6661+(2)+(640x359).jpg
>
> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Q8Bm8OdCI6U/SvCZU7ImMpI/AAAAAAAAASU/M0PKDsHLic4/s
> 1600-h/IMG_6669+(640x402).jpg
>
> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Q8Bm8OdCI6U/SvCZVlcDtzI/AAAAAAAAASc/8PdkrrLyXCg/s
> 1600-h/IMG_6663+(475x426).jpg
>
> Link to blog and all photos http://annafasoli.blogspot.com/
>
> (raptors of wetern north america as a reference, by Brian K Wheeler
> page 267--dark brown head forms bib, white mottled belly, and flanks)
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Subject: Potential short tailed hawk discussion
From: Anna Fasoli <annafasoli AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:07:12 -0500
Thanks for everyones input!!!

Based on its size, I think the only two options are male harlan's hawk, or
dark morph short tailed hawk  (the boyfriend has now converted his idea to
that of male harlan's hawk..trust me, we are still arguing).  I still stand
by the short tailed hawk ID, even though this is highly
improbable/unlikely.  This hawk was very small, night hawk to crow sized.  I
have no experience in observing this smaller version of the harlans that
some people have mentioned, and I will probably think this is a short tailed
hawk until I see one of those smaller harlans!  Based on range, yes we would
all chose harlan's.  But I would encourage everyone to question common bird
sightings so we don't miss any unusual sightings.

Hopefully a few more NE birders will try to find it, and I will have a few
more opinions on the bird.  I did re-locate the bird this evening at 4:50.
It was still small and dark, especially in comparison to the red tails that
were nearby.  I haven't seen this bird perch at all.  I will spend tomorrow
hunting it down again.

Thanks!
Anna

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Subject: Potential short tailed hawk in Nebraska.
From: Mike Heaney <jeager AT SOUTHWIND.NET>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 19:56:54 -0600
Not a hawk expert either, but I do remember reading that the number of 
primaries can be helpful in deciding a typical plumages. In this case I counted 
Five primaries. If this theory is true and Sibley has a correct count of 
primaries in his drawings, the following would be excluded: 

Short-tailed Hawk (6 primaries)
Broad-winged Hawk (4 primaries)
Red-shouldered Hawk (6 Primaries)
Black Hawk (7 primaries)
Harris's Hawk (6 primaries)
Red-tailed Hawk (6 primaries)

Of the remaining the bill looks best for Ferriginous hawk, but what about a 
late dark morph immature Swainson's Hawk? The tail seems long to me. Just a 
thought. Mike Heaney 


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Subject: Re: POTENTIAL short tailed hawk, NEBRASKA
From: "Wedge, Philip C" <pwedge AT KU.EDU>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 19:41:12 -0600
Well, my comments below were rather cryptic. The bird illustrated on p. 48 of 
Hawks in Flight is a Ferruginous. 


________________________________

From: Birds & Their Habitats in Kansas on behalf of Brandon Magette
Sent: Tue 11/3/2009 7:11 PM
To: KSBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
Subject: Re: POTENTIAL short tailed hawk, NEBRASKA



I am no where near qualified to jump into this debate but I do so only
because I am WAY weak on hawk ID and want to use this as a learning tool.

I keep returning to the color and banding of the tail. I am working strictly
off of the Sibley's and not field experience. Sibley's does not show this
kind of banding or color on the tail of a Harlan's.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Wedge, Philip C  wrote:

> And we all know size can be deceiving . . .  Take a look at illustration B
> on p. 48 of Hawks in Flight.  Note dark commas.  But I don't wish to dispute
> the expertise of Hobbs or to thumb-wrestle you guys.  You're all out in the
> field much more than I am.
>
> Regards to all!
> Phil
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Birds & Their Habitats in Kansas on behalf of Brandon Magette
> Sent: Tue 11/3/2009 6:31 PM
> To: KSBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
> Subject: Re: POTENTIAL short tailed hawk, NEBRASKA
>
>
>
> Our observer was sure it was smaller than a RT. A Ferruginous is LARGER
> than
> a RT. Let the thumb-wrestle begin!!!
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Pete Janzen  >wrote:
>
> > I also vote for dark-morph Ferruginous.   Beyond Phil Wedge's comments
> > which I entirely agree with, the bill structure is large and similar to
> that
> > of an eagle which favors Ferruginous.  To me that big honkin' bill always
> > stands out on Ferruginous.  And the overall body shape and proportions
> are
> > quite robust which is also good for a Ferrugie.   I've actually seen a
> > dark-morph Short-tailed at Key West and their overall impression is more
> > like that of a Broad-winged Hawk, with smaller overall size and more
> > diminutive impression.   That's what I think but I"m not going to get
> into a
> > thumb-wrestling bout to settle any potential difference of opinion from
> my
> > own.
> >
> > Pete Janzen
> > Wichita
> >
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Subject: Re: POTENTIAL short tailed hawk, NEBRASKA
From: Brandon Magette <averbirder AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 19:11:37 -0600
I am no where near qualified to jump into this debate but I do so only
because I am WAY weak on hawk ID and want to use this as a learning tool.

I keep returning to the color and banding of the tail. I am working strictly
off of the Sibley's and not field experience. Sibley's does not show this
kind of banding or color on the tail of a Harlan's.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Wedge, Philip C  wrote:

> And we all know size can be deceiving . . .  Take a look at illustration B
> on p. 48 of Hawks in Flight.  Note dark commas.  But I don't wish to dispute
> the expertise of Hobbs or to thumb-wrestle you guys.  You're all out in the
> field much more than I am.
>
> Regards to all!
> Phil
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Birds & Their Habitats in Kansas on behalf of Brandon Magette
> Sent: Tue 11/3/2009 6:31 PM
> To: KSBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
> Subject: Re: POTENTIAL short tailed hawk, NEBRASKA
>
>
>
> Our observer was sure it was smaller than a RT. A Ferruginous is LARGER
> than
> a RT. Let the thumb-wrestle begin!!!
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Pete Janzen  >wrote:
>
> > I also vote for dark-morph Ferruginous.   Beyond Phil Wedge's comments
> > which I entirely agree with, the bill structure is large and similar to
> that
> > of an eagle which favors Ferruginous.  To me that big honkin' bill always
> > stands out on Ferruginous.  And the overall body shape and proportions
> are
> > quite robust which is also good for a Ferrugie.   I've actually seen a
> > dark-morph Short-tailed at Key West and their overall impression is more
> > like that of a Broad-winged Hawk, with smaller overall size and more
> > diminutive impression.   That's what I think but I"m not going to get
> into a
> > thumb-wrestling bout to settle any potential difference of opinion from
> my
> > own.
> >
> > Pete Janzen
> > Wichita
> >
> >
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Subject: Re: POTENTIAL short tailed hawk, NEBRASKA
From: "Wedge, Philip C" <pwedge AT KU.EDU>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:53:50 -0600
And we all know size can be deceiving . . . Take a look at illustration B on p. 
48 of Hawks in Flight. Note dark commas. But I don't wish to dispute the 
expertise of Hobbs or to thumb-wrestle you guys. You're all out in the field 
much more than I am. 

 
Regards to all!
Phil

________________________________

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To: KSBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
Subject: Re: POTENTIAL short tailed hawk, NEBRASKA



Our observer was sure it was smaller than a RT. A Ferruginous is LARGER than
a RT. Let the thumb-wrestle begin!!!

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Pete Janzen wrote:

> I also vote for dark-morph Ferruginous.   Beyond Phil Wedge's comments
> which I entirely agree with, the bill structure is large and similar to that
> of an eagle which favors Ferruginous.  To me that big honkin' bill always
> stands out on Ferruginous.  And the overall body shape and proportions are
> quite robust which is also good for a Ferrugie.   I've actually seen a
> dark-morph Short-tailed at Key West and their overall impression is more
> like that of a Broad-winged Hawk, with smaller overall size and more
> diminutive impression.   That's what I think but I"m not going to get into a
> thumb-wrestling bout to settle any potential difference of opinion from my
> own.
>
> Pete Janzen
> Wichita
>
>
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Subject: Re: POTENTIAL short tailed hawk, NEBRASKA
From: Brandon Magette <averbirder AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:31:15 -0600
Our observer was sure it was smaller than a RT. A Ferruginous is LARGER than
a RT. Let the thumb-wrestle begin!!!

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Pete Janzen wrote:

> I also vote for dark-morph Ferruginous.   Beyond Phil Wedge's comments
> which I entirely agree with, the bill structure is large and similar to that
> of an eagle which favors Ferruginous.  To me that big honkin' bill always
> stands out on Ferruginous.  And the overall body shape and proportions are
> quite robust which is also good for a Ferrugie.   I've actually seen a
> dark-morph Short-tailed at Key West and their overall impression is more
> like that of a Broad-winged Hawk, with smaller overall size and more
> diminutive impression.   That's what I think but I"m not going to get into a
> thumb-wrestling bout to settle any potential difference of opinion from my
> own.
>
> Pete Janzen
> Wichita
>
>
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Subject: Re: POTENTIAL short tailed hawk, NEBRASKA
From: Pete Janzen <pete.janzen AT SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:16:40 -0600
I also vote for dark-morph Ferruginous.   Beyond Phil Wedge's comments 
which I entirely agree with, the bill structure is large and similar to 
that of an eagle which favors Ferruginous.  To me that big honkin' bill 
always stands out on Ferruginous.  And the overall body shape and 
proportions are quite robust which is also good for a Ferrugie.   I've 
actually seen a dark-morph Short-tailed at Key West and their overall 
impression is more like that of a Broad-winged Hawk, with smaller 
overall size and more diminutive impression.   That's what I think but 
I"m not going to get into a thumb-wrestling bout to settle any potential 
difference of opinion from my own.

Pete Janzen
Wichita

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Subject: Potential sth...
From: Lawrence Herbert <certhia AT ATT.NET>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:16:08 -0600
Anna and KSbirders -

Dear Anna,

How many times do I have to tell you to be leery
of what those boyfriends tell you?
I'm just being silly.
Anna, change your short-tailed hawk to
Harlan's Red-tailed Hawk when you get a chance.  You take beautiful photos.
Harlan's is lumped with Red-tailed Hawk.
We'll forever call Harlan's a Harlan's though.

Good birding,  Larry H.  Joplin MO.  

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Subject: Re: POTENTIAL short tailed hawk, NEBRASKA
From: Chris Hobbs <chobbs AT EVERESTKC.NET>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 17:28:27 -0600
I've seen a few Short-tailed Hawks, and this bird's wings aren't nearly as 
pointed.  Size can be deceiving - the pics look like Harlan's to me.

Chris Hobbs
Shawnee, KS
chobbs AT everestkc.net


On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Anna Fasoli  wrote:

> I have posted this same post on Nebraska birds, and I am gathering people
> to look for the bird.  If anyone else can spare time, it would be great to
> relocate this bird.
>
> Around 11:15 am this morning, I found a shrike sitting on a telephone wire
> onroad 792 in Custer County (approximate coordinates 41.306666° -
> 100.220606°) I was getting great photos. All of a sudden in my
> camera shot, a dark bird appeared. My intial thought was that it was a
> night hawk...small, dark, and some evidence of white on the wings. This is
> when I snapped the photos below, as the hawk was coming towards me and
> approximately 20-30 feet above me (my camera was on full 20x zoom).
> However as I watched the bird head straight for me, it became clear that
> it was not a night hawk at all, but a small hawk like bird, actually
> bigger than a night hawk. My initial thought was accipiter, only because
> it seemed to match the size. However, none of the markings were correct,
> and the bird was not acting like an accipter. I watched it soar,
> then "kite" repeatedly (similar to the behavior of a kestrel,
> but not as rapid/quick). This bird was too small to be a red-tailed hawk
> or a rough legged hawk (never have I looked at either and thought "night
> hawk"). It stayed around for about 5 minutes, slowly getting father and
> farther away. I called Alex Lamoreaux, my boyfriend and also,
> conveniently, raptor expert, in Pennsylvania, and
> he suggested that I was observing a merlin. Again, the field marks were
> incorrect for any kind of falcon. The bird left, and I took varios photos
> of its silhouette, and a brief video. I then consulted my Peterson guide
> to hawks, and the only thing I can match my photo to is a juvenile short
> tailed hawk, dark morph, mottled type. Not only are the field marks
> correct, but the size is also matching.
>
>
> I understand this would be near impossible in Nebraska, but I am confident
> in what I saw. The main thing to keep in mind is its small size, and that
> it was smaller than a red tail (short tailed hawks and harlans are almost
> identical, except for size).  I have seen numerous red tails on my trip
> and I am sure it was not a red tail.  At the same time it is good to be
> skeptical.
>
> It would be excellent if someone could help me relocate the bird
> and confirm its presence, in addition to the photos I have already taken.
> Please call me  814 421 6924 if you can help.  This is very rare and
> obviosuly needs well documented...I can spend a few days in Arnold trying
> to locate the bird again, but otherwise I have to get back on the road.
> The bird headed for Arnold State Recreation Area, but I cannot access this
> area (the roads are muddy/rutted, can't get there in my 2WD vehicle).
>
> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Q8Bm8OdCI6U/SvCP5aix2sI/AAAAAAAAASM/JMESFYgLXAA/s
> 1600-\
> h/IMG_6661+(640x448).jpg
>
> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Q8Bm8OdCI6U/SvCP4JhxYcI/AAAAAAAAASE/_NP08C40XGE/s
> 1600-\
> h/IMG_6661+(2)+(640x359).jpg
>
> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Q8Bm8OdCI6U/SvCZU7ImMpI/AAAAAAAAASU/M0PKDsHLic4/s
> 
1600-h/IMG_6669+(640x402).jpg 

>
> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Q8Bm8OdCI6U/SvCZVlcDtzI/AAAAAAAAASc/8PdkrrLyXCg/s
> 
1600-h/IMG_6663+(475x426).jpg 

>
> Link to blog and all photos http://annafasoli.blogspot.com/
>
> (raptors of wetern north america as a reference, by Brian K Wheeler
> page 267--dark brown head forms bib, white mottled belly, and flanks)
>
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