8 Feb Re: FW: Family cat 'eaten by pet python' [Dermot McCabe ]
8 Feb Re: FW: Family cat 'eaten by pet python' [James ]
8 Feb Re: brent geese [Paul & Norma Moore ]
8 Feb Irish Visit - further thanks [Lee G R Evans ]
8 Feb Re: A weekend's twitching in Ireland - observations [derek charles ]
8 Feb A weekend's twitching in Ireland - observations [Lee G R Evans ]
8 Feb Re: Snowy Owl Shot at Belmullet (1928) [Mícheál Casey ]
8 Feb Snowy Owl Shot at Belmullet (1928) ["Fitzpatrick, Dara" ]
8 Feb Re: FW: Family cat 'eaten by pet python' [Dermot McCabe ]
8 Feb Re: Martin Garner/ Book Sale [derek charles ]
7 Feb brent geese [richard mundy ]
7 Feb Re: Possible African Chaffinch [Peter Phillips ]
7 Feb FW: Family cat 'eaten by pet python' [James ]
6 Feb Possible African Chaffinch [Peter Phillips ]
6 Feb Re: Behaviour [Seamus Feeney ]
6 Feb Re: Behaviour [Michael O'Keeffe ]
5 Feb Re: Behaviour [Peter Flynn ]
5 Feb Re: B&W Warbler in Spain [Paul & Norma Moore ]
5 Feb Re: B&W Warbler in Spain [Paul & Norma Moore ]
5 Feb Re: B&W Warbler in Spain [Dermot Breen ]
5 Feb Re: B&W Warbler in Spain [SUBSCRIBE IBN-L Lee G R Evans ]
5 Feb Re: Behaviour ["Casey, Micheal" ]
5 Feb Re: Behaviour [Peter Flynn ]
5 Feb Re: Behaviour ["Casey, Micheal" ]
5 Feb Re: Behaviour [Peter Flynn ]
5 Feb Re: Baltimore Bonaparte's [julian wyllie ]
5 Feb Re: Behaviour [Phil Davis ]
5 Feb Re: B&W Warbler in Spain [Harry Hussey ]
5 Feb Re: B&W Warbler in Spain ["Fitzharris, Jim" ]
5 Feb Re: B&W Warbler in Spain [Harry Hussey ]
5 Feb Re: Behaviour [Seamus Feeney ]
5 Feb B&W Warbler in Spain [Pat Lonergan ]
5 Feb Re: Behaviour ["Casey, Micheal" ]
5 Feb Re: Behaviour [Owen Foley ]
5 Feb Re: Behaviour [Eamonn ]
5 Feb Re: Behaviour [Seamus Feeney ]
5 Feb Re: Behaviour [Sean O'Connor ]
5 Feb Re: Behaviour ["Casey, Micheal" ]
5 Feb Re: Behaviour [dermot omahony ]
5 Feb Re: Behaviour [Paul & Norma Moore ]
5 Feb Re: Behaviour [Peter Flynn ]
4 Feb Re: convincing Thayer's Gull [SUBSCRIBE IBN-L Lee G R Evans ]
4 Feb convincing Thayer's Gull [John Coveney Birds ]
4 Feb Re: Owen [John Coveney Birds ]
4 Feb Re: Owen [John Coveney Birds ]
4 Feb Re: Owen [Phil Davis ]
4 Feb Re: Site Information for Counties Galway, Mayo and Sligo [Harry Hussey ]
4 Feb Site Information for Counties Galway, Mayo and Sligo [SUBSCRIBE IBN-L Lee G R Evans ]
4 Feb Re: Owen [Owen Foley ]
4 Feb Re: Owen [John Coveney Birds ]
4 Feb Re: Thayer's video and pics [Dermot Breen ]
4 Feb Behaviour [Peter Flynn ]
4 Feb Re: Odd Gull [Dermot McCabe ]
4 Feb Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building [Michael ]
4 Feb Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building [Owen Foley ]
4 Feb Re: Odd Gull [Neil Sharkey ]
4 Feb Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building [irishbirdnews ]
4 Feb Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building [Breffni Martin ]
4 Feb Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building [Breffni Martin ]
4 Feb Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building [Seamus Feeney ]
4 Feb Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building [Eamonn ]
4 Feb Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building ["Fitzharris, Jim" ]
4 Feb Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building ["Fitzharris, Jim" ]
4 Feb Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building [Seamus Feeney ]
4 Feb Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building [Donal Foley ]
4 Feb Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building [irishbirdnews ]
4 Feb Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building ["Fitzharris, Jim" ]
4 Feb Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building [Harry Hussey ]
4 Feb Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building [Owen Foley ]
4 Feb Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building [Breffni Martin ]
4 Feb Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building [Dermot McCabe ]
4 Feb Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building [Dermot McCabe ]
4 Feb Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building [Owen Foley ]
4 Feb Re: Odd Gull [Dermot McCabe ]
4 Feb peregrine nesting on central bank building [Breffni Martin ]
4 Feb Re: Thayer's video and pics [Derek Charles ]
Subject: Re: FW: Family cat 'eaten by pet python'
From: Dermot McCabe <dermot.mccabe AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 23:00:31 +0000
I've never had dogs or birds or humans bury their doings in my
seedbeds. Even if they did, the substance is particularly revolting in
cats. Come on Ian, you know in your heart that it's long past time
cats went extinct.
Dermot.
On 8 February 2010 21:59, James wrote:
> You could say the same about dogs, birds, or even humans!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
> Dermot McCabe
> Sent: 08 February 2010 12:50
> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
> Subject: Re: FW: Family cat 'eaten by pet python'
>
> Anyone who has inadvertently in a seedbed and with his fingers encountered
> the buried "free manure" Ian refers to will never again think kindly of a
> cat.
> Dermot.
>
> On 7 February 2010 18:48, James wrote:
>>
>> Should be "..bit him in the head and neck" (not "But" as in "Butted"!)
>> below. Could have been worse - I might have typed "Bog Trotter"!
>>
>> Not sure why "garden lovers" (a) Hate cats - they don't eat plants and
>> any disturbance they cause is probably outweighed by the free
>> "manure"; besides they keep rabbits and birds away or down, many of
>> which are much greater pests in the garden, e.g. Bullfinches eating
>> buds of fruit tree, Wood Pigeons eating vegetables. I suspect that
>> most of the birds they catch are of common species, many of which
>> would have died anyway due to lack of food in the winter; presumably
>> if one believes in natural selection they improve the gene pool by
>> selectively killing off the unwary or slow birds first (b) why they
> Gardeners be interested in "environmentally friendly solutions"
>> (whatever these might be) considering gardening is completely unnatural.
>> Then again, what is so great about Nature (Try living in a Cave!).
>>
>> No doubt many of you can pick out many logical inconsistencies here,
>> but I think consistency is also over-rated!
>>
>> Another article today in a Sunday Newspaper (which thus also must be
>> true) today stated that you can die of boredom (or at least will not
>> live as long)
>> - this probably explains why so many people die not long after
>> retirement or after the death of their partner, which means that they
>> cannot argue with their work colleagues or partner.
>>
>> Hence my attempt to alleviate all the boredom caused by discussion of
>> obscure Gulls, etc, by tossing in this old thread again.
>>
>> IAN RIPPEY 7.2.2010
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: James [mailto:jimrippey AT tiscali.co.uk]
>> Sent: 20 August 2009 20:43
>> To: 'Irish Bird Network'
>> Subject: RE: Family cat 'eaten by pet python'
>>
>> I must advise that (as well as probably being illegal) it is not
>> advisable to try and dispose of "recalcitrant" (is this a posh word
>> for "naughty"?) children by trying to feed them to pythons. A recent
>> article in a leading daily newspaper (so it must be true) claimed that
>> a 3 year old child had the same strength of bite as an average mongrel
>> dog. Having once been bitten by one of these (dogs that is)and needing
>> an anti-tetanus jab, I can vouch for the strength of these. A Python
>> could receive a severe and possibly fatal bite from one of these
>> pesky little critters, and could die either from the direct effects or
>> from blood poisoning (considering the average three year old child's
>> diet), therefore this is likely to be illegal under the animal cruelty
> laws.
>>
>> I am starting to worry about the attitude of some people; not long ago
>> someone asked where they could see otters within kicking distance of St.
>> Stephens Green, and I had to point out that it was presumably illegal
>> and also dangerous for anyone to attempt to kick an otter. If you read
>> Tarka the Otter, you will remember the bit about "The Dog Otter, who
>> weighed thiry pounds, but him in the head and neck".
>>
>> IAN RIPPEY 20.8.2009
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf
>> Of Fitzharris, Jim
>> Sent: 20 August 2009 17:22
>> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
>> Subject: Re: Family cat 'eaten by pet python'
>>
>> Where can I buy one?
>>
>> Do they dispose of recalcitrant children as well??
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf
>> Of Joseph Doolan
>> Sent: 08 August 2009 21:07
>> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
>> Subject: Family cat 'eaten by pet python'
>>
>> Garden lovers might appreciate this enviornmentally friendly solution .
>> . .
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/gloucestershire/8191355.stm
>>
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>>
>
Subject: Re: FW: Family cat 'eaten by pet python'
From: James <jimrippey AT TISCALI.CO.UK>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:59:44 -0000
You could say the same about dogs, birds, or even humans!
-----Original Message-----
From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
Dermot McCabe
Sent: 08 February 2010 12:50
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: FW: Family cat 'eaten by pet python'
Anyone who has inadvertently in a seedbed and with his fingers encountered
the buried "free manure" Ian refers to will never again think kindly of a
cat.
Dermot.
On 7 February 2010 18:48, James wrote:
>
> Should be "..bit him in the head and neck" (not "But" as in "Butted"!)
> below. Could have been worse - I might have typed "Bog Trotter"!
>
> Not sure why "garden lovers" (a) Hate cats - they don't eat plants and
> any disturbance they cause is probably outweighed by the free
> "manure"; besides they keep rabbits and birds away or down, many of
> which are much greater pests in the garden, e.g. Bullfinches eating
> buds of fruit tree, Wood Pigeons eating vegetables. I suspect that
> most of the birds they catch are of common species, many of which
> would have died anyway due to lack of food in the winter; presumably
> if one believes in natural selection they improve the gene pool by
> selectively killing off the unwary or slow birds first (b) why they
Gardeners be interested in "environmentally friendly solutions"
> (whatever these might be) considering gardening is completely unnatural.
> Then again, what is so great about Nature (Try living in a Cave!).
>
> No doubt many of you can pick out many logical inconsistencies here,
> but I think consistency is also over-rated!
>
> Another article today in a Sunday Newspaper (which thus also must be
> true) today stated that you can die of boredom (or at least will not
> live as long)
> - this probably explains why so many people die not long after
> retirement or after the death of their partner, which means that they
> cannot argue with their work colleagues or partner.
>
> Hence my attempt to alleviate all the boredom caused by discussion of
> obscure Gulls, etc, by tossing in this old thread again.
>
> IAN RIPPEY 7.2.2010
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James [mailto:jimrippey AT tiscali.co.uk]
> Sent: 20 August 2009 20:43
> To: 'Irish Bird Network'
> Subject: RE: Family cat 'eaten by pet python'
>
> I must advise that (as well as probably being illegal) it is not
> advisable to try and dispose of "recalcitrant" (is this a posh word
> for "naughty"?) children by trying to feed them to pythons. A recent
> article in a leading daily newspaper (so it must be true) claimed that
> a 3 year old child had the same strength of bite as an average mongrel
> dog. Having once been bitten by one of these (dogs that is)and needing
> an anti-tetanus jab, I can vouch for the strength of these. A Python
> could receive a severe and possibly fatal bite from one of these
> pesky little critters, and could die either from the direct effects or
> from blood poisoning (considering the average three year old child's
> diet), therefore this is likely to be illegal under the animal cruelty
laws.
>
> I am starting to worry about the attitude of some people; not long ago
> someone asked where they could see otters within kicking distance of St.
> Stephens Green, and I had to point out that it was presumably illegal
> and also dangerous for anyone to attempt to kick an otter. If you read
> Tarka the Otter, you will remember the bit about "The Dog Otter, who
> weighed thiry pounds, but him in the head and neck".
>
> IAN RIPPEY 20.8.2009
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf
> Of Fitzharris, Jim
> Sent: 20 August 2009 17:22
> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
> Subject: Re: Family cat 'eaten by pet python'
>
> Where can I buy one?
>
> Do they dispose of recalcitrant children as well??
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf
> Of Joseph Doolan
> Sent: 08 August 2009 21:07
> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
> Subject: Family cat 'eaten by pet python'
>
> Garden lovers might appreciate this enviornmentally friendly solution .
> . .
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/gloucestershire/8191355.stm
>
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> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they
> are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify
> the sender.
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>
Subject: Re: brent geese
From: Paul & Norma Moore <Paulmoore01 AT EIRCOM.NET>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 13:44:54 -0800
Hi Rick
I looked for this bird twice today without sucess. The Black Brant or is
that black
brent was present with 6 pale bellied Brent. A few scattered brent also at
Whitegate and Saleen creek but no sign there either. The Black Brant has
also been seen at Cuskinny so clearly this flock (up to 30 have been seen
together) are mobile.
There was some discussion about the Black Brant shortly after it was found
but it was concluded that it was one. I havn't seen the other bird but Ian
Hill
who emailed me yesterday independantly about it believes he has seen it a
couple of times so it's undoubtedly still about.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "richard mundy"
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 1:42 PM
Subject: brent geese
All,
I went down to Cork Harbour today looking for the ‘Black Brant’ that has
been around for a month or so (see photos on irishbirding by Mark Carmody 31
st Dec 2009 and Sean Cronin 26th Jan 2010). I found the bird in a flock of
15 at Aghada Pier. I was surprised to find a second dark-bellied bird in the
flock, which is clearly not nigricans. Joe’s has uploaded three photos to
his site. Two are of the (paler) bird on the shore, the third is of it
swimming with a 1st winter hrota behind it and the ‘Black Brant’ behind
that. I do not think the paler bird is bernicla, its upperparts colour and
flank colour is brown, near identical to the upperparts of hrota; I think
that the pale in the flanks is rather too extensive and bright (note that
this is covered by the wing in one of the photos) and the necklace is
extensive. So what is it? A nigrescens / hrota hybrid with its parents both
present? Maybe, but given that the darker bird is perhaps not typical of
nigricans, being rather paler and browner than one might expect, and also
having a rather larger white area on the flank than is typical, I think
there is a case for suggesting that these two birds might be pair of
‘grey-bellied
brent geese’. I have no personal experience of the form but having reviewed
Martin Garner’s chapter on the subject in ‘Frontiers in Birding’ I don’t see
any obvious reason why not. I’d be very interested to hear what anyone else
thinks, I have more photos if anyone wants to see them.
Rick Mundy
Subject: Irish Visit - further thanks
From: Lee G R Evans <LGREUK400 AT AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 15:29:03 EST
I also forgot to thank Wilton Farelly, who was also very helpful and
instructive as regards information on the North American Eider
All the very best
Lee
Subject: Re: A weekend's twitching in Ireland - observations
From: derek charles <derek.charles AT HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 20:11:54 +0000
Hi Lee,
glad you had a successful trip and that you got both the Thayers and
Eider.Thanks also for sharing your trip report on the IBN, nice one! One small
correction is that Wilton Farrelly found the Eider, i just happened to be
sitting beside him!
Hopefully there will be a few more good birds found with the present weather
systems and that you and other UK birders can be tempted back again.
all the best
derek
> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:58:11 -0500
> From: LGREUK400 AT AOL.COM
> Subject: A weekend's twitching in Ireland - observations
> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
>
> SATURDAY 6 FEBRUARY
>
> Chris Heard, Gary Bagnell, John Lees and I set forth from Stanstead
> Airport for Ireland at 0915 hours, after being delayed for over an hour by
dense
> fog. We had paid just £71 for return flights.
>
> Following a very hard landing by our East European pilot, our RyanAir
> flight eventually touched down at Knock Airport (Ireland's West Airport),
just
> 5 kms south of Charlestown, at 1030. We quickly transferred to our Hertz
> rental car, a 1.0 litre Volkswagon Fox.
>
> The weather on out arrival was glorious, with clear blue skies, virtually
> no wind and a temperature of just 3 degrees Celcius.
>
> We made our way west into County Galway, following the R375 in to
> Swinford, where 2 Mute Swans were noted on roadside lochans and Rook, Jackdaw
and
> Common Magpie were fairly commonplace.
>
> Heading west on the N5 to Castlebar, provided me with my first HOODED
> CROWS of 2010 (162), with a further 3 Mute Swans at Moher Lough, south of
> Liscarney.
>
> BALLYNAKILL HARBOUR (COUNTY GALWAY)
>
> Thanks to Dermot Breen and others, finding our way from Moyard and the N59
> north of Clifden to Ross Beach, 5 kms east of Cleggan, was fairly
> straightforward (turn right at the east end of Ballynakill Lough towards the
'Judo
> Club' and continue on that narrow lane, past the beach on the right, for 2
> kms to the end of the road).
>
> Ross Beach saw the arrival of five car loads of birders early afternoon,
> including Jim & Debs Lawrence, Chris Wilkinson and his partner, three Danish
> birders including one of the Netfugl administrators and Lee Gregory, Chris
> Lansdell, Will Soar and Craig Holden.
>
> Jim Lawrence had seen the juvenile THAYER'S GULL prior to our arrival,
> whilst it had been feeding on the six fish cages 400 yards offshore. We set
> the 'scopes up and searched but there was no sign of it.
>
> A first-winter MEDITERRANEAN GULL was showing very well with the 300 or so
> Black-headed Gulls just off of the inlet stream, along with a single
> PALE-BELLIED BRENT GOOSE and several European Shags. Scanning the harbour
> resulted in the finding of at least 7 GREAT NORTHERN DIVERS and 17 BLACK
> GUILLEMOTS (163), several of which had already acquired breeding plumage.
>
> An odd white-winged gull which flew from a rocky islet to the far fish
> cages on the north side of the water may have been a dark juvenile ICELAND
> GULL.
>
> The juvenile THAYER'S GULL flew in from the east, close along the shore,
> at 1310 hours and responded to the bread that JL was throwing out. It
> afforded spectacular views at just 35 yards range as it joined in the noisy
melee
> of gulls attracted to the food. Jim was able to fire off shot after shot
> during the eight minutes it flew around and managed to obtain some excellent
> flight images. Once all of the bread was devoured, the THAYER'S GULL
> joined other birds and roosted just west of the stream - again, providing us
> with ample opportunities of study.
>
> At rest, the bird resembled Iceland Gull in structure and stance, with the
> beautiful 'velvety' wash extending from the throat to the vent and
> encroaching on to the flanks, giving it a somewhat North American Herring
Gull
> feel to it. The head, hindneck and upper mantle were also rather brown, with
> darker masking in front of the eye and on the ear-coverts. The
> undertail-coverts and lower vent were barred, with the upper tail
correspondingly darker
> brown and paler biscuit towards the tips.
>
> The scapulars and tertials were contrastingly dark muddy-brown and edged
> whitish, with a noticeable dark brown trailing edge in flight and no
> significant covert bar. The outer hand of the wing was very dark
blackish-brown,
> with the whiter inner primaries giving the characteristic 'venetian-blind'
> appearance of this species. In flight, the underwing was quite dusky, and
> the flight feathers were all neatly fringed pale cream forming distinct pale
> chevrons at the tips. The rump was heavily dark and barred
>
> The bill was rather slight, predominantly black but with a hint of a dark
> reddish colouring to the base, whilst the long legs were pink. The iris was
> dark brown.
>
> The bird remained on view for about 28 minutes before flying out into the
> harbour and landing out of view on one of the six offshore fish cages.
>
> NIMMO'S PIER AND MUTTON ISLAND CAUSEWAY, GALWAY HARBOUR
>
> Driving down towards Galway City mid-afternoon saw a drastic deterioation
> in weather conditions, with an overwhelming blanket of thick fog setting
> in. In fact, by the time we reached Nimmo's, visibility was down to just 45
> yards. As a result, our late afternoon visit was seriously curtailed, and
> consequently there was little chance of locating the wintering Forster's or
> Sandwich Terns.
>
> A total of 7 feeding Bar-tailed Godwits were amongst the rocky pools west
> of the causeway, with Rock Pipit and Eurasian Wigeon noted also, and at
> Nimmo's Pier slipway, a single adult RING-BILLED GULL was showing very well,
a
> single adult Scandinavian Herring Gull, 25 Common Gulls, 19 Mute Swans and
> 8 Turnstones.
>
> As dark befell Galway, we entered the Italian Ristorante Da Roberta
> Pizzeria in Upper Salthill, which was simply superb.....
>
> The next two and a half hours were spent driving north, Donegal Old Town
> being reached just after 2200 hours. It was here that we spent the night.
>
> SUNDAY 7 FEBRUARY
>
> Temperatures dropped to 3 degrees overnight but cloud moved in from very
> early morning. This cloud was accompanied by very cold North-easterly winds,
> which made viewing birds difficult as the day progressed. It did remain
> dry however.
>
> It was a 90 minute drive north to the Fanad peninsula in northern Donegal.
> Ballybofey afforded us with more Hooded Crows and Common Starlings, whilst
> Broad Water, at the north end of Mulroy Bay, alongside the R246 north of
> Carrowkeel, yielded PALE-BELLIED BRENT GOOSE and 2 drake Red-breasted
> Mergansers.
>
> FANAD HEAD (COUNTY DONEGAL)
>
> Fanad Head, in the vicinity of the lighthouse, added numerous Hooded
> Crows,15 Redwing, several Common Blackbirds and my first RED-BILLED CHOUGHS
of
> 2010 (a pair feeding in a field alongside the road and showing well) (165).
> Two BARNACLE GEESE flew north.
>
> Glasagh Bay was our main destination and eventually we found the narrow
> road which lead down to the tiny beach car park. Derek Charles had discovered
> this bird in early January and had been particularly instructive and
> helpful in providing details and photographs.
>
> A total of 314 COMMON EIDERS was present in the bay, in two main clusters,
> and after walking east along the beach to the east end of the bay, the
> birds could be satisfactorily 'scoped, as they fed 65-200 yards offshore. The
> flocks contained a minimum of five brighter-billed 'northern' birds or
> variants, along with the much more obvious and paler-billed 'dresseri' -
NORTH
> AMERICAN EIDER.
>
> Although difficult to locate, mainly due to the fact that the flock were
> so closely packed, were often in diving mode for extended periods and the
> sea swell was quite high, the key features enabling differentiation were thus
> -:
>
> 1) Slightly smaller in size, with a different head profile and a fine
> black line between the bill and the crown on a side-view;
>
> 2) A paler bill, with bulbous lobes at the top of the bill extending well
> up the crown and in line with the eye;
>
> 3) Pale green on head much more extensive and obvious;
>
> 4) White 'sails' often noticeable.
>
> The bird was often part of a displaying group of adult drakes and it was
> when partaking in such activity that it was most easily located; otherwise
> it was very difficult. It was the first North American Eider that both Chris
> Heard and I had ever seen.
>
> In addition to the Eider flock, three hours of scanning yielded 1 GREAT
> NORTHERN DIVER, at least 15 RED-THROATED DIVERS (including several adults
> already in breeding plumage), 5 Northern Gannets, numerous European Shags, 2
> vocal WHOOPER SWANS (an adult and first-winter), a few LONG-TAILED DUCKS
> (including a dapper winter drake) and an immature VELVET SCOTER.
>
> Waders on the rocky coastline included Common Redshank, Oystercatcher,
> Eurasian Curlew and Turnstone, whilst 2 Common Buzzards, COMMON RAVEN, up to
> 15 HOODED CROWS and several more RED-BILLED CHOUGH were also encountered.
>
> THE RAGHLEY, BALLINTEMPLE AND LISSADELL AREAS (COUNTY SLIGO)
>
> Having spent so much time in Donegal, birding opportunities for the rest
> of Sunday were somewhat minimal. We decided to target the geese flocks NW of
> Sligo.
>
> A herd of 8 WHOOPER SWANS (three first-winters) were feeding close to the
> road near Ardtermon House, whilst the bulk of 2,300 BARNACLE GEESE were
> just NE of Raghley, in the fields south of Ballintemple. We managed to locate
> a single pale RICHARDSON'S CANADA GOOSE feeding within the flock but not
> the larger individual (166).
>
> Searching unsuccessfully for Twite at Raghley Point did provide further
> excellent views of PALE-BELLIED BRENT GEESE (25 birds).
>
> Driving further north and viewing the 'Red Barn' area of fields, 350 or
> more BARNACLE GEESE were encountered, 15 Fieldfares and a wing-tagged
> introduction immature WHITE-TAILED SEA EAGLE.
>
> SLIGO TOWN (COUNTY SLIGO)
>
> Prior to returning to Knock Airport, we stopped off at Quay Street car
> park in Sligo, where a GREAT NORTHERN DIVER was affording crippling views in
> the harbour.
>
> And that was it - a very enjoyable and rewarding weekend spent in western
> and NW Ireland. I am indebted to the kind help of those Irish birders that
> rang and texted, particularly Dermot Breen, Tom Cuffe, Ronan McLaughlin and
> Sean Cronin.
>
>
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Subject: A weekend's twitching in Ireland - observations
From: Lee G R Evans <LGREUK400 AT AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:58:11 EST
SATURDAY 6 FEBRUARY
Chris Heard, Gary Bagnell, John Lees and I set forth from Stanstead
Airport for Ireland at 0915 hours, after being delayed for over an hour by
dense
fog. We had paid just £71 for return flights.
Following a very hard landing by our East European pilot, our RyanAir
flight eventually touched down at Knock Airport (Ireland's West Airport), just
5 kms south of Charlestown, at 1030. We quickly transferred to our Hertz
rental car, a 1.0 litre Volkswagon Fox.
The weather on out arrival was glorious, with clear blue skies, virtually
no wind and a temperature of just 3 degrees Celcius.
We made our way west into County Galway, following the R375 in to
Swinford, where 2 Mute Swans were noted on roadside lochans and Rook, Jackdaw
and
Common Magpie were fairly commonplace.
Heading west on the N5 to Castlebar, provided me with my first HOODED
CROWS of 2010 (162), with a further 3 Mute Swans at Moher Lough, south of
Liscarney.
BALLYNAKILL HARBOUR (COUNTY GALWAY)
Thanks to Dermot Breen and others, finding our way from Moyard and the N59
north of Clifden to Ross Beach, 5 kms east of Cleggan, was fairly
straightforward (turn right at the east end of Ballynakill Lough towards the
'Judo
Club' and continue on that narrow lane, past the beach on the right, for 2
kms to the end of the road).
Ross Beach saw the arrival of five car loads of birders early afternoon,
including Jim & Debs Lawrence, Chris Wilkinson and his partner, three Danish
birders including one of the Netfugl administrators and Lee Gregory, Chris
Lansdell, Will Soar and Craig Holden.
Jim Lawrence had seen the juvenile THAYER'S GULL prior to our arrival,
whilst it had been feeding on the six fish cages 400 yards offshore. We set
the 'scopes up and searched but there was no sign of it.
A first-winter MEDITERRANEAN GULL was showing very well with the 300 or so
Black-headed Gulls just off of the inlet stream, along with a single
PALE-BELLIED BRENT GOOSE and several European Shags. Scanning the harbour
resulted in the finding of at least 7 GREAT NORTHERN DIVERS and 17 BLACK
GUILLEMOTS (163), several of which had already acquired breeding plumage.
An odd white-winged gull which flew from a rocky islet to the far fish
cages on the north side of the water may have been a dark juvenile ICELAND
GULL.
The juvenile THAYER'S GULL flew in from the east, close along the shore,
at 1310 hours and responded to the bread that JL was throwing out. It
afforded spectacular views at just 35 yards range as it joined in the noisy
melee
of gulls attracted to the food. Jim was able to fire off shot after shot
during the eight minutes it flew around and managed to obtain some excellent
flight images. Once all of the bread was devoured, the THAYER'S GULL
joined other birds and roosted just west of the stream - again, providing us
with ample opportunities of study.
At rest, the bird resembled Iceland Gull in structure and stance, with the
beautiful 'velvety' wash extending from the throat to the vent and
encroaching on to the flanks, giving it a somewhat North American Herring Gull
feel to it. The head, hindneck and upper mantle were also rather brown, with
darker masking in front of the eye and on the ear-coverts. The
undertail-coverts and lower vent were barred, with the upper tail
correspondingly darker
brown and paler biscuit towards the tips.
The scapulars and tertials were contrastingly dark muddy-brown and edged
whitish, with a noticeable dark brown trailing edge in flight and no
significant covert bar. The outer hand of the wing was very dark
blackish-brown,
with the whiter inner primaries giving the characteristic 'venetian-blind'
appearance of this species. In flight, the underwing was quite dusky, and
the flight feathers were all neatly fringed pale cream forming distinct pale
chevrons at the tips. The rump was heavily dark and barred
The bill was rather slight, predominantly black but with a hint of a dark
reddish colouring to the base, whilst the long legs were pink. The iris was
dark brown.
The bird remained on view for about 28 minutes before flying out into the
harbour and landing out of view on one of the six offshore fish cages.
NIMMO'S PIER AND MUTTON ISLAND CAUSEWAY, GALWAY HARBOUR
Driving down towards Galway City mid-afternoon saw a drastic deterioation
in weather conditions, with an overwhelming blanket of thick fog setting
in. In fact, by the time we reached Nimmo's, visibility was down to just 45
yards. As a result, our late afternoon visit was seriously curtailed, and
consequently there was little chance of locating the wintering Forster's or
Sandwich Terns.
A total of 7 feeding Bar-tailed Godwits were amongst the rocky pools west
of the causeway, with Rock Pipit and Eurasian Wigeon noted also, and at
Nimmo's Pier slipway, a single adult RING-BILLED GULL was showing very well, a
single adult Scandinavian Herring Gull, 25 Common Gulls, 19 Mute Swans and
8 Turnstones.
As dark befell Galway, we entered the Italian Ristorante Da Roberta
Pizzeria in Upper Salthill, which was simply superb.....
The next two and a half hours were spent driving north, Donegal Old Town
being reached just after 2200 hours. It was here that we spent the night.
SUNDAY 7 FEBRUARY
Temperatures dropped to 3 degrees overnight but cloud moved in from very
early morning. This cloud was accompanied by very cold North-easterly winds,
which made viewing birds difficult as the day progressed. It did remain
dry however.
It was a 90 minute drive north to the Fanad peninsula in northern Donegal.
Ballybofey afforded us with more Hooded Crows and Common Starlings, whilst
Broad Water, at the north end of Mulroy Bay, alongside the R246 north of
Carrowkeel, yielded PALE-BELLIED BRENT GOOSE and 2 drake Red-breasted
Mergansers.
FANAD HEAD (COUNTY DONEGAL)
Fanad Head, in the vicinity of the lighthouse, added numerous Hooded
Crows,15 Redwing, several Common Blackbirds and my first RED-BILLED CHOUGHS of
2010 (a pair feeding in a field alongside the road and showing well) (165).
Two BARNACLE GEESE flew north.
Glasagh Bay was our main destination and eventually we found the narrow
road which lead down to the tiny beach car park. Derek Charles had discovered
this bird in early January and had been particularly instructive and
helpful in providing details and photographs.
A total of 314 COMMON EIDERS was present in the bay, in two main clusters,
and after walking east along the beach to the east end of the bay, the
birds could be satisfactorily 'scoped, as they fed 65-200 yards offshore. The
flocks contained a minimum of five brighter-billed 'northern' birds or
variants, along with the much more obvious and paler-billed 'dresseri' - NORTH
AMERICAN EIDER.
Although difficult to locate, mainly due to the fact that the flock were
so closely packed, were often in diving mode for extended periods and the
sea swell was quite high, the key features enabling differentiation were thus
-:
1) Slightly smaller in size, with a different head profile and a fine
black line between the bill and the crown on a side-view;
2) A paler bill, with bulbous lobes at the top of the bill extending well
up the crown and in line with the eye;
3) Pale green on head much more extensive and obvious;
4) White 'sails' often noticeable.
The bird was often part of a displaying group of adult drakes and it was
when partaking in such activity that it was most easily located; otherwise
it was very difficult. It was the first North American Eider that both Chris
Heard and I had ever seen.
In addition to the Eider flock, three hours of scanning yielded 1 GREAT
NORTHERN DIVER, at least 15 RED-THROATED DIVERS (including several adults
already in breeding plumage), 5 Northern Gannets, numerous European Shags, 2
vocal WHOOPER SWANS (an adult and first-winter), a few LONG-TAILED DUCKS
(including a dapper winter drake) and an immature VELVET SCOTER.
Waders on the rocky coastline included Common Redshank, Oystercatcher,
Eurasian Curlew and Turnstone, whilst 2 Common Buzzards, COMMON RAVEN, up to
15 HOODED CROWS and several more RED-BILLED CHOUGH were also encountered.
THE RAGHLEY, BALLINTEMPLE AND LISSADELL AREAS (COUNTY SLIGO)
Having spent so much time in Donegal, birding opportunities for the rest
of Sunday were somewhat minimal. We decided to target the geese flocks NW of
Sligo.
A herd of 8 WHOOPER SWANS (three first-winters) were feeding close to the
road near Ardtermon House, whilst the bulk of 2,300 BARNACLE GEESE were
just NE of Raghley, in the fields south of Ballintemple. We managed to locate
a single pale RICHARDSON'S CANADA GOOSE feeding within the flock but not
the larger individual (166).
Searching unsuccessfully for Twite at Raghley Point did provide further
excellent views of PALE-BELLIED BRENT GEESE (25 birds).
Driving further north and viewing the 'Red Barn' area of fields, 350 or
more BARNACLE GEESE were encountered, 15 Fieldfares and a wing-tagged
introduction immature WHITE-TAILED SEA EAGLE.
SLIGO TOWN (COUNTY SLIGO)
Prior to returning to Knock Airport, we stopped off at Quay Street car
park in Sligo, where a GREAT NORTHERN DIVER was affording crippling views in
the harbour.
And that was it - a very enjoyable and rewarding weekend spent in western
and NW Ireland. I am indebted to the kind help of those Irish birders that
rang and texted, particularly Dermot Breen, Tom Cuffe, Ronan McLaughlin and
Sean Cronin.
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Subject: Re: Snowy Owl Shot at Belmullet (1928)
From: Mícheál Casey <michealjcasey AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 15:44:03 +0000
On the contrary. Wrens are notorious for smelly feet.
M
On 8 Feb 2010, at 15:14, Fitzpatrick, Dara wrote:
> Afternoon all,
>
> I hope the subject line got you going! I was in the foyer of the
> Maryborough House Hotel in Douglas, Cork yesterday where they have a
> stuffed Snowy Owl in a glass case which was shot on the mullet in 1928.
> It looks like a male bird. Is there any report of this in the old
> records and can we assume that there has always been wintering snowy's
> up there from time to time?
>
> On another note a friend of mine found a nest box with 13 wrens roosting
> in it these evenings. Sounds cosy.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dara
Subject: Snowy Owl Shot at Belmullet (1928)
From: "Fitzpatrick, Dara" <d.fitzpatrick AT UCC.IE>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 15:14:37 -0000
Afternoon all,
I hope the subject line got you going! I was in the foyer of the
Maryborough House Hotel in Douglas, Cork yesterday where they have a
stuffed Snowy Owl in a glass case which was shot on the mullet in 1928.
It looks like a male bird. Is there any report of this in the old
records and can we assume that there has always been wintering snowy's
up there from time to time?
On another note a friend of mine found a nest box with 13 wrens roosting
in it these evenings. Sounds cosy.
Regards,
Dara
Subject: Re: FW: Family cat 'eaten by pet python'
From: Dermot McCabe <dermot.mccabe AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:49:53 +0000
Anyone who has inadvertently in a seedbed and with his fingers
encountered the buried "free manure" Ian refers to will never again
think kindly of a cat.
Dermot.
On 7 February 2010 18:48, James wrote:
>
> Should be "..bit him in the head and neck" (not "But" as in "Butted"!)
> below. Could have been worse - I might have typed "Bog Trotter"!
>
> Not sure why "garden lovers" (a) Hate cats - they don't eat plants and any
> disturbance they cause is probably outweighed by the free "manure"; besides
> they keep rabbits and birds away or down, many of which are much greater
> pests in the garden, e.g. Bullfinches eating buds of fruit tree, Wood
> Pigeons eating vegetables. I suspect that most of the birds they catch are
> of common species, many of which would have died anyway due to lack of food
> in the winter; presumably if one believes in natural selection they improve
> the gene pool by selectively killing off the unwary or slow birds first (b)
> why they Gardeners be interested in "environmentally friendly solutions"
> (whatever these might be) considering gardening is completely unnatural.
> Then again, what is so great about Nature (Try living in a Cave!).
>
> No doubt many of you can pick out many logical inconsistencies here, but I
> think consistency is also over-rated!
>
> Another article today in a Sunday Newspaper (which thus also must be true)
> today stated that you can die of boredom (or at least will not live as long)
> - this probably explains why so many people die not long after retirement or
> after the death of their partner, which means that they cannot argue with
> their work colleagues or partner.
>
> Hence my attempt to alleviate all the boredom caused by discussion of
> obscure Gulls, etc, by tossing in this old thread again.
>
> IAN RIPPEY 7.2.2010
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James [mailto:jimrippey AT tiscali.co.uk]
> Sent: 20 August 2009 20:43
> To: 'Irish Bird Network'
> Subject: RE: Family cat 'eaten by pet python'
>
> I must advise that (as well as probably being illegal) it is not advisable
> to try and dispose of "recalcitrant" (is this a posh word for "naughty"?)
> children by trying to feed them to pythons. A recent article in a leading
> daily newspaper (so it must be true) claimed that a 3 year old child had the
> same strength of bite as an average mongrel dog. Having once been bitten by
> one of these (dogs that is)and needing an anti-tetanus jab, I can vouch for
> the strength of these. A Python could receive a severe and possibly fatal
> bite from one of these pesky little critters, and could die either from the
> direct effects or from blood poisoning (considering the average three year
> old child's diet), therefore this is likely to be illegal under the animal
> cruelty laws.
>
> I am starting to worry about the attitude of some people; not long ago
> someone asked where they could see otters within kicking distance of St.
> Stephens Green, and I had to point out that it was presumably illegal and
> also dangerous for anyone to attempt to kick an otter. If you read Tarka the
> Otter, you will remember the bit about "The Dog Otter, who weighed thiry
> pounds, but him in the head and neck".
>
> IAN RIPPEY 20.8.2009
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
> Fitzharris, Jim
> Sent: 20 August 2009 17:22
> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
> Subject: Re: Family cat 'eaten by pet python'
>
> Where can I buy one?
>
> Do they dispose of recalcitrant children as well??
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
> Joseph Doolan
> Sent: 08 August 2009 21:07
> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
> Subject: Family cat 'eaten by pet python'
>
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Subject: Re: Martin Garner/ Book Sale
From: derek charles <derek.charles AT HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:22:02 +0000
The NIBA committee would like to thank Martin for a fantastic and illuminating
talk on Friday evening. Everyone present will be looking at their garden birds
in a different light from now on!
If anyone wants a copy of Martins book we have some left and can offer them at
a discounted rate of £15 sterling inc p/p. Contact me if interested AT
derek.charles AT hotmail.com
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Subject: brent geese
From: richard mundy <ruckrick AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 21:42:52 +0000
All,
I went down to Cork Harbour today looking for the ‘Black Brant’ that has
been around for a month or so (see photos on irishbirding by Mark Carmody 31
st Dec 2009 and Sean Cronin 26th Jan 2010). I found the bird in a flock of
15 at Aghada Pier. I was surprised to find a second dark-bellied bird in the
flock, which is clearly not nigricans. Joe’s has uploaded three photos to
his site. Two are of the (paler) bird on the shore, the third is of it
swimming with a 1st winter hrota behind it and the ‘Black Brant’ behind
that. I do not think the paler bird is bernicla, its upperparts colour and
flank colour is brown, near identical to the upperparts of hrota; I think
that the pale in the flanks is rather too extensive and bright (note that
this is covered by the wing in one of the photos) and the necklace is
extensive. So what is it? A nigrescens / hrota hybrid with its parents both
present? Maybe, but given that the darker bird is perhaps not typical of
nigricans, being rather paler and browner than one might expect, and also
having a rather larger white area on the flank than is typical, I think
there is a case for suggesting that these two birds might be pair of
‘grey-bellied
brent geese’. I have no personal experience of the form but having reviewed
Martin Garner’s chapter on the subject in ‘Frontiers in Birding’ I don’t see
any obvious reason why not. I’d be very interested to hear what anyone else
thinks, I have more photos if anyone wants to see them.
Rick Mundy
Subject: Re: Possible African Chaffinch
From: Peter Phillips <pmphillips AT EIRCOM.NET>
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 20:27:01 +0000
I had better views of the Chaffinch this morning and sure enough it falls short
on a couple of points most notably a greenish colouring on the cheeks and an
orange wash across the upper breast contrasting with the paler belly
( reminiscent of female Brambling from a distance).
Close but no cigar................
I found this while looking on the web last night.....for those of you with a
passing interest in bird identification!
BBRC Assessment of African Chaffinch claims in Britain
BBRC have recently completed detailed assessments of several claims of
African Chaffinches Fringilla coelebs africana/spodiogenys. So far, claims of
six
different individuals have been assessed, including the first, well publicised
bird, in Essex in 1994
All of the birds assessed so far have certainly shown features which are
strongly reminiscent of male African Chaffinches and have appeared markedly
different from normal European Chaffinches (F. c. coelebs etc). For example,
the claimed birds have shared a tendency to show a green or greenish (rather
than a rich warm brown) mantle tones, pale pink underparts and an extensive
blue-grey 'hood' (rather than a blue-grey crown and nape contrasting with
rich pink 'cheeks'). However, despite such striking superficial similarities to
North African birds, several other features have conspired to make the claimed
birds differ significantly from typical North African Chaffinches.
In fact, there seem to be some common threads running through the claims
which amount to a pattern of recurring anomalies. Some particular problems
found in the claimed birds include: a tendency to show an extensive grey
wash on the breast (not found in African birds); unusually pale and colourless
underparts, or underparts in which the pink colouration is either slightly
wrong
(too orangey) or unusually restricted; pink tones on the ear coverts or malar
area (where africana/spodiogenys is normally uniformly blue-grey); and rather
dull green or brownish-green mantle tones (cleaner, brighter green in
africana/spodiogenys).
Subject: FW: Family cat 'eaten by pet python'
From: James <jimrippey AT TISCALI.CO.UK>
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 18:48:16 -0000
Should be "..bit him in the head and neck" (not "But" as in "Butted"!)
below. Could have been worse - I might have typed "Bog Trotter"!
Not sure why "garden lovers" (a) Hate cats - they don't eat plants and any
disturbance they cause is probably outweighed by the free "manure"; besides
they keep rabbits and birds away or down, many of which are much greater
pests in the garden, e.g. Bullfinches eating buds of fruit tree, Wood
Pigeons eating vegetables. I suspect that most of the birds they catch are
of common species, many of which would have died anyway due to lack of food
in the winter; presumably if one believes in natural selection they improve
the gene pool by selectively killing off the unwary or slow birds first (b)
why they Gardeners be interested in "environmentally friendly solutions"
(whatever these might be) considering gardening is completely unnatural.
Then again, what is so great about Nature (Try living in a Cave!).
No doubt many of you can pick out many logical inconsistencies here, but I
think consistency is also over-rated!
Another article today in a Sunday Newspaper (which thus also must be true)
today stated that you can die of boredom (or at least will not live as long)
- this probably explains why so many people die not long after retirement or
after the death of their partner, which means that they cannot argue with
their work colleagues or partner.
Hence my attempt to alleviate all the boredom caused by discussion of
obscure Gulls, etc, by tossing in this old thread again.
IAN RIPPEY 7.2.2010
-----Original Message-----
From: James [mailto:jimrippey AT tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 20 August 2009 20:43
To: 'Irish Bird Network'
Subject: RE: Family cat 'eaten by pet python'
I must advise that (as well as probably being illegal) it is not advisable
to try and dispose of "recalcitrant" (is this a posh word for "naughty"?)
children by trying to feed them to pythons. A recent article in a leading
daily newspaper (so it must be true) claimed that a 3 year old child had the
same strength of bite as an average mongrel dog. Having once been bitten by
one of these (dogs that is)and needing an anti-tetanus jab, I can vouch for
the strength of these. A Python could receive a severe and possibly fatal
bite from one of these pesky little critters, and could die either from the
direct effects or from blood poisoning (considering the average three year
old child's diet), therefore this is likely to be illegal under the animal
cruelty laws.
I am starting to worry about the attitude of some people; not long ago
someone asked where they could see otters within kicking distance of St.
Stephens Green, and I had to point out that it was presumably illegal and
also dangerous for anyone to attempt to kick an otter. If you read Tarka the
Otter, you will remember the bit about "The Dog Otter, who weighed thiry
pounds, but him in the head and neck".
IAN RIPPEY 20.8.2009
-----Original Message-----
From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
Fitzharris, Jim
Sent: 20 August 2009 17:22
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: Family cat 'eaten by pet python'
Where can I buy one?
Do they dispose of recalcitrant children as well??
-----Original Message-----
From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
Joseph Doolan
Sent: 08 August 2009 21:07
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Family cat 'eaten by pet python'
Garden lovers might appreciate this enviornmentally friendly solution .
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Subject: Possible African Chaffinch
From: Peter Phillips <pmphillips AT EIRCOM.NET>
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 21:05:06 +0000
Just a post to let people know I had a chaffinch showing some features
consistant with African Chaffinch at the feeders at Dublin Zoo in the Phoenix
Park Dublin this evening. I had the bird for just a few minutes before dark and
hopefully the few very blurry shots I got will appear on Irishbirding.com in
the
next few minutes. The area is best viewed opposite the Garda Depot. The
feeders are located half way along the zoos facility building(two story wooden
clad building). The feeders are not visible from any public area but the birds
regulary fly to the trees above the feeders and are best viewed from there.
Subject: Re: Behaviour
From: Seamus Feeney <Flyfisher1 AT EIRCOM.NET>
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:01:24 -0000
Mike.
Whatever works is ok for me. Not accepting nominations for the job.
Séamus.
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Michael O'Keeffe"
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 11:55 AM
To:
Subject: Re: Behaviour
> Phil/Seamus,
>
> When ever there is a discussion about moderation on the IBN there are
> always people like yourselves who counter the arguement with discussions
> around censorship. That is fine. However first off in this instance
> there was only one post which caused widespread offence. The person
> apologised and even offered to have the post removed from the archive.
> Censorship arguements therefore are not relevant to this specific
> discussion.
>
> But looking at it in a wider context let me put this to you. Is it
> acceptable, to allow one or two individuals to frequently abuse the right
> of free-speech in a manner which at worst undermines the viability of the
> forum itself (refer to P. Flynn's comments regarding moderation) or at
> best forces decent people to leave the list because they cant stomach the
> gutter tactics? Or is it better to introduce some level of moderation so
> that those who are unable to have a sensible debate without resorting to
> gutter tactics are forced to behave in a manner more befitting a public
> forum and everyone can enjoy the discussion and debate?
>
> Until we have some moderation on this forum the best advice seems to be to
> ignore those engaged in gutter tactics.
>
> Regards
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Davis"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:20 PM
> Subject: Re: Behaviour
>
>
> Well said Seamus, you beat me to the post. While some of the postings in
> the
> past few weeks have gone a tad over the top, it has to be remembered that
> there was tit for tat from both sides of the argument. How then does the
> list owner decide what should be deleted without taking sides and
> effectively acting as a censor, and where does it stop, as soon as
> somebody
> posts on the forum something I do not agree with, do I then contact the
> list
> owner and attempt to have the posting removed. No, we are all entitled to
> our own opinions and in the future I think we all need to strive to
> respect
> this and refrain from making personal attacks whether full frontal or more
> subversive.
> Let us all try to move on from this, as I have said before on this forum,
> the only one thing we all have in common is the love of birds, maybe we
> should try to let this pull us together rather than drive us apart.
>
> Phil.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Seamus Feeney"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Behaviour
>
>
>> Mícheál.
>>
>> The problem with this is, who decides what posts are deleted. Is it posts
>> that you, me or another disagrees with, where would it stop? Is it to be
>> all correspondence from a particular poster/s? Is it a complete thread?
>> personally speaking, if it's on the record, I think it should remain
>> there. You obviously have a different opinion on this, so who's argument
>> prevails?
>>
>> Peter Flynn, as the list owner has the last word re. what stays and what
>> goes, but short of reading every post and deleting what would be the
>> obviously offensive (foul language, threats etc.), which I don't think
>> there are any of, he would have to be asked to delete particular posts.
>> These presumably chosen by individuals who did not agree with them
>> (probably most IBN users, but maybe not all).
>>
>> I think the posts should remain. We've had a slap on the wrist, and we
>> know that this stuff won't be tolerated any more. Let's move on.
>>
>> Séamus.
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>From: "Casey, Micheal"
>> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:27 PM
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: Behaviour
>>
>>> Fair play and well said.
>>>
>>> I think we all need to remember that this is a public forum, with every
>>> last word stored indefinitely and searchable at:
>>>
>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=IBN-L
>>>
>>> In the interests of consistency and setting standards for the future,
>>> should we consider asking the UCC list administrators to delete some
>>> recent correspondence from this permanent record? Otherwise leaving
>>> this kind of material in the archive suggests that this is a forum that
>>> accepts and carefully archives tasteless junk of that nature. The
>>> deliberate and continued (through the archive) publication of private
>>> correspondence by identifiable individuals may also raise legal issues
>>> under Data Protection legislation.
>>>
>>> I am copying this e-mail to Peter Flynn on my own behalf, please let him
>>> know on- or off-list if you support the suggestion.
>>>
>>> Mícheál
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
>>> dermot omahony
>>> Sent: 05 February 2010 12:04
>>> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
>>> Subject: Re: Behaviour
>>>
>>> Well said Paul. I've not posted on this subject before, but like you I
>>> am
>>> sick and tired of the abusive postings that have littered any discussion
>>> of
>>> IRBC related matters on this forum for the past few years.
>>>
>>> If you need any support in getting the perpetrators removed from this
>>> listing you have it from me. Hopefuly Paul Flynns post will enforce good
>>> manners and respect where none was shown before.
>>>
>>> I also agree that the image of Irish birding and birders is damaged by
>>> what
>>> has gone on here. What neutral person would be bothered to post here or
>>> to
>>> join a debate after seeing some of the rubbish that has appeared
>>> recently? Its about time we said enough is enough and disassociated the
>>> vast
>>> majority of Irish birders from the postings from Eoin Foley and Robert
>>> Vaughan.
>>>
>>> regards and thanks to you and others for finally taking a stand.
>>>
>>> Dermot O'Mahony
>>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Paul & Norma Moore
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Surprised that no one has responded to Peter Flynn's posts, so just for
>>>> the
>>>> record I would like to say that if anyone posts any personal
>>>> attacks/foul
>>>> mouthed tirades again I would have no hesitation in doing my best to
>>>> get
>>>> them removed. One of my kids is big into wildlife and I occasionally
>>>> show
>>>> her posts of interest on the IBN, I would hate if she ever
>>>> came across some recent/not so recent stuff by accident. Some posts on
>>>> this forum have undoubtedly hurt Irish birding, and from my time with
>>>> the
>>>> Cork Branch IWC in the past I know how hard it is to get people
>>>> interested
>>>> or involved in the first place.I for one have had enough.
>>>> Hopefully this is finally the end of this matter.
>>>> Paul
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Flynn"
>>>> To:
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:31 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Behaviour
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A number of members have reported serious breaches of list etiquette
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been reminded to draw your attention to the HEAnet Acceptable
>>>>> Usage Policy and Code of Behaviour at
>>>>> http://www.heanet.ie/about/aup#behaviour
>>>>>
>>>>> You may also wish to read the official Network Etiquette Guidelines in
>>>>> RFC1855 (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html)
>>>>>
>>>>> Any continuation of postings on this list that appear to be in
>>>>> contravention of this policy will result in the immediate removal and
>>>>> banning of the subscriber from the list.
>>>>>
>>>>> If this does not end the offending material, then we would have to
>>>>> consider closure or removal of the IBN-L email list.
>>>>>
>>>>> (BTW I'm not a birder or subscriber, so if you need to contact me
>>>>> please
>>>>> send a separate email to me, rather than to the list address.)
>>>>>
>>>>> ///Peter Flynn
>>>>> UCC Webmaster
>>>>> List Owner, IBN-L
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food
>>>
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>>> Tá an t-eolais san ríomhphost seo, agus in aon ceangláin leis, faoi
>>> phribhléid agus faoi rún agus le h-aghaigh an seolaí amháin. D'fhéadfadh
>>> ábhar an seoladh seo bheith faoi phribhléid profisiúnta nó dlíthiúil.
>>> Mura tusa an seolaí a bhí beartaithe leis an ríomhphost seo a fháil, tá
>>> cosc air, nó aon chuid de, a úsáid, a chóipeál, nó a scaoileadh. Má
>>> tháinig sé chugat de bharr dearmad, téigh i dteagmháil leis an seoltóir
>>> agus scrios an t-ábhar ó do ríomhaire le do thoil.
>>
Subject: Re: Behaviour
From: Michael O'Keeffe <okeeffeml AT EIRCOM.NET>
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 11:55:21 -0000
Phil/Seamus,
When ever there is a discussion about moderation on the IBN there are always
people like yourselves who counter the arguement with discussions around
censorship. That is fine. However first off in this instance there was
only one post which caused widespread offence. The person apologised and
even offered to have the post removed from the archive. Censorship
arguements therefore are not relevant to this specific discussion.
But looking at it in a wider context let me put this to you. Is it
acceptable, to allow one or two individuals to frequently abuse the right of
free-speech in a manner which at worst undermines the viability of the forum
itself (refer to P. Flynn's comments regarding moderation) or at best forces
decent people to leave the list because they cant stomach the gutter
tactics? Or is it better to introduce some level of moderation so that
those who are unable to have a sensible debate without resorting to gutter
tactics are forced to behave in a manner more befitting a public forum and
everyone can enjoy the discussion and debate?
Until we have some moderation on this forum the best advice seems to be to
ignore those engaged in gutter tactics.
Regards
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Davis"
To:
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: Behaviour
Well said Seamus, you beat me to the post. While some of the postings in the
past few weeks have gone a tad over the top, it has to be remembered that
there was tit for tat from both sides of the argument. How then does the
list owner decide what should be deleted without taking sides and
effectively acting as a censor, and where does it stop, as soon as somebody
posts on the forum something I do not agree with, do I then contact the list
owner and attempt to have the posting removed. No, we are all entitled to
our own opinions and in the future I think we all need to strive to respect
this and refrain from making personal attacks whether full frontal or more
subversive.
Let us all try to move on from this, as I have said before on this forum,
the only one thing we all have in common is the love of birds, maybe we
should try to let this pull us together rather than drive us apart.
Phil.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Seamus Feeney"
To:
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: Behaviour
> Mícheál.
>
> The problem with this is, who decides what posts are deleted. Is it posts
> that you, me or another disagrees with, where would it stop? Is it to be
> all correspondence from a particular poster/s? Is it a complete thread?
> personally speaking, if it's on the record, I think it should remain
> there. You obviously have a different opinion on this, so who's argument
> prevails?
>
> Peter Flynn, as the list owner has the last word re. what stays and what
> goes, but short of reading every post and deleting what would be the
> obviously offensive (foul language, threats etc.), which I don't think
> there are any of, he would have to be asked to delete particular posts.
> These presumably chosen by individuals who did not agree with them
> (probably most IBN users, but maybe not all).
>
> I think the posts should remain. We've had a slap on the wrist, and we
> know that this stuff won't be tolerated any more. Let's move on.
>
> Séamus.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
>>From: "Casey, Micheal"
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:27 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Behaviour
>
>> Fair play and well said.
>>
>> I think we all need to remember that this is a public forum, with every
>> last word stored indefinitely and searchable at:
>>
>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=IBN-L
>>
>> In the interests of consistency and setting standards for the future,
>> should we consider asking the UCC list administrators to delete some
>> recent correspondence from this permanent record? Otherwise leaving this
>> kind of material in the archive suggests that this is a forum that
>> accepts and carefully archives tasteless junk of that nature. The
>> deliberate and continued (through the archive) publication of private
>> correspondence by identifiable individuals may also raise legal issues
>> under Data Protection legislation.
>>
>> I am copying this e-mail to Peter Flynn on my own behalf, please let him
>> know on- or off-list if you support the suggestion.
>>
>> Mícheál
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
>> dermot omahony
>> Sent: 05 February 2010 12:04
>> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
>> Subject: Re: Behaviour
>>
>> Well said Paul. I've not posted on this subject before, but like you I am
>> sick and tired of the abusive postings that have littered any discussion
>> of
>> IRBC related matters on this forum for the past few years.
>>
>> If you need any support in getting the perpetrators removed from this
>> listing you have it from me. Hopefuly Paul Flynns post will enforce good
>> manners and respect where none was shown before.
>>
>> I also agree that the image of Irish birding and birders is damaged by
>> what
>> has gone on here. What neutral person would be bothered to post here or
>> to
>> join a debate after seeing some of the rubbish that has appeared
>> recently? Its about time we said enough is enough and disassociated the
>> vast
>> majority of Irish birders from the postings from Eoin Foley and Robert
>> Vaughan.
>>
>> regards and thanks to you and others for finally taking a stand.
>>
>> Dermot O'Mahony
>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Paul & Norma Moore
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Surprised that no one has responded to Peter Flynn's posts, so just for
>>> the
>>> record I would like to say that if anyone posts any personal
>>> attacks/foul
>>> mouthed tirades again I would have no hesitation in doing my best to
>>> get
>>> them removed. One of my kids is big into wildlife and I occasionally
>>> show
>>> her posts of interest on the IBN, I would hate if she ever
>>> came across some recent/not so recent stuff by accident. Some posts on
>>> this forum have undoubtedly hurt Irish birding, and from my time with
>>> the
>>> Cork Branch IWC in the past I know how hard it is to get people
>>> interested
>>> or involved in the first place.I for one have had enough.
>>> Hopefully this is finally the end of this matter.
>>> Paul
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Flynn"
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:31 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Behaviour
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A number of members have reported serious breaches of list etiquette
>>>>> to
>>>>> me.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have been reminded to draw your attention to the HEAnet Acceptable
>>>> Usage Policy and Code of Behaviour at
>>>> http://www.heanet.ie/about/aup#behaviour
>>>>
>>>> You may also wish to read the official Network Etiquette Guidelines in
>>>> RFC1855 (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html)
>>>>
>>>> Any continuation of postings on this list that appear to be in
>>>> contravention of this policy will result in the immediate removal and
>>>> banning of the subscriber from the list.
>>>>
>>>> If this does not end the offending material, then we would have to
>>>> consider closure or removal of the IBN-L email list.
>>>>
>>>> (BTW I'm not a birder or subscriber, so if you need to contact me
>>>> please
>>>> send a separate email to me, rather than to the list address.)
>>>>
>>>> ///Peter Flynn
>>>> UCC Webmaster
>>>> List Owner, IBN-L
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food
>>
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>> confidential and is designated solely for the attention and use of the
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>>
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>>
>> Tá an t-eolais san ríomhphost seo, agus in aon ceangláin leis, faoi
>> phribhléid agus faoi rún agus le h-aghaigh an seolaí amháin. D'fhéadfadh
>> ábhar an seoladh seo bheith faoi phribhléid profisiúnta nó dlíthiúil.
>> Mura tusa an seolaí a bhí beartaithe leis an ríomhphost seo a fháil, tá
>> cosc air, nó aon chuid de, a úsáid, a chóipeál, nó a scaoileadh. Má
>> tháinig sé chugat de bharr dearmad, téigh i dteagmháil leis an seoltóir
>> agus scrios an t-ábhar ó do ríomhaire le do thoil.
>
Subject: Re: Behaviour
From: Peter Flynn <pflynn AT UCC.IE>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 22:02:17 +0000
Casey, Micheal wrote:
> Thanks Peter. This is where I back off - let's see what people think,
> or indeed if they have a preference.
>
> I can see advantages in both, but if the IBN-L archives are going to
> remain in the public domain, it underlines the need for great care in
> what is said & discussed. Putting a defamatory statement on the IBN-L is
> basically the same as publishing a libel.
Yes, which is why I'm sorry I didn't spot earlier that the archives were
public. I never create lists that way myself, which is why I think it
must have been inherited.
///Peter
Subject: Re: B&W Warbler in Spain
From: Paul & Norma Moore <Paulmoore01 AT EIRCOM.NET>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:06:13 -0800
Forgot to add on a more positive note
http://www.cws-scf.ec.gc.ca/mgbc/trends/index.cfm?lang=e&go=info.bird&speciesid=6540
Paul
----- Original
Message -----
From: "Pat Lonergan"
To:
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 5:24 AM
Subject: B&W Warbler in Spain
> Hello all
>
> I see from www.netfugl.dk that a Black-and-White Warbler was photographed
> on Fuerteventura yesterday. Keep filling the bird feeders!
>
> Pat
>
>
Subject: Re: B&W Warbler in Spain
From: Paul & Norma Moore <Paulmoore01 AT EIRCOM.NET>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:02:57 -0800
Graph of the population trends in Canada at
http://www.cws-scf.ec.gc.ca/mgbc/trends/index.cfm?lang=e&go=info.bird&speciesid=6360
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Lonergan"
To:
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 5:24 AM
Subject: B&W Warbler in Spain
> Hello all
>
> I see from www.netfugl.dk that a Black-and-White Warbler was photographed
> on Fuerteventura yesterday. Keep filling the bird feeders!
>
> Pat
>
>
Subject: Re: B&W Warbler in Spain
From: Dermot Breen <breen.dermot AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 13:37:13 -0500
The bird was photographed on 18th Dec. I was on the island from 19th
to 22nd and visited the Oasis Park on the last day. The photos were
the first I heard of it. Mildly frustrating to say the least.
Dermot
On 2/5/10, SUBSCRIBE IBN-L Lee G R Evans wrote:
> Jim
>
> Like the majority of bird species, BLACK-AND-WHITE WARBLER, although not
> diminishing or retracting in range is seriously diminishing in numbers.
> Following a dramatic index in numbers between 1966 and 1986, whereby correct
>
> recording and surveying procedures probably accounted for the 23.3% rise in
> population, the decline began in 1984. In just ten years, population studies
>
> yielded a 7.2% drop in numbers, and by 2004, that figure had risen to a
> worrying 17.4%. Since 2004, there have been further dramatic declines, with
> wintering areas in South America failing to support this and many other
> North
> American species.
>
> Rather surprisingly, Blackpoll Warbler has declined by 68.6%
>
> Best wishes
>
> Lee
>
--
Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
Subject: Re: B&W Warbler in Spain
From: SUBSCRIBE IBN-L Lee G R Evans <LGREUK400 AT AOL.COM>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 12:27:00 EST
Jim
Like the majority of bird species, BLACK-AND-WHITE WARBLER, although not
diminishing or retracting in range is seriously diminishing in numbers.
Following a dramatic index in numbers between 1966 and 1986, whereby correct
recording and surveying procedures probably accounted for the 23.3% rise in
population, the decline began in 1984. In just ten years, population studies
yielded a 7.2% drop in numbers, and by 2004, that figure had risen to a
worrying 17.4%. Since 2004, there have been further dramatic declines, with
wintering areas in South America failing to support this and many other North
American species.
Rather surprisingly, Blackpoll Warbler has declined by 68.6%
Best wishes
Lee
Subject: Re: Behaviour
From: "Casey, Micheal" <Micheal.Casey AT AGRICULTURE.GOV.IE>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 17:10:24 +0000
Thanks Peter. This is where I back off - let's see what people think, or indeed
if they have a preference.
I can see advantages in both, but if the IBN-L archives are going to remain in
the public domain, it underlines the need for great care in what is said &
discussed. Putting a defamatory statement on the IBN-L is basically the same as
publishing a libel.
Mícheál
-----Original Message-----
From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of Peter
Flynn
Sent: 05 February 2010 16:52
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: Behaviour
Casey, Micheal wrote:
> Re your assurance that "Only subscribers to the list can see the
> archives" - I do not believe that is correct
I do apologise: you are quite correct. This must be an artifact of how
they were originally set up before I was involved. I can change that.
> The archives search facility can be accessed by anybody entering
> IBN-L as a search on Google. In fact I have used it when abroad in
> the past. Furthermore, IBN-L discussions often come up as
> high-ranking results in searches that combine bird names and Irish
> place names.
That's because the archives are public. If I change them to private,
Google will not have access, and any existing data in their indexes will
expire and no longer be usable.
So is it the will of the membership that I change the setting to "private"?
///Peter
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Tá an t-eolais san ríomhphost seo, agus in aon ceangláin leis, faoi phribhléid
agus faoi rún agus le h-aghaigh an seolaí amháin. D'fhéadfadh ábhar an seoladh
seo bheith faoi phribhléid profisiúnta nó dlíthiúil. Mura tusa an seolaí a bhí
beartaithe leis an ríomhphost seo a fháil, tá cosc air, nó aon chuid de, a
úsáid, a chóipeál, nó a scaoileadh. Má tháinig sé chugat de bharr dearmad,
téigh i dteagmháil leis an seoltóir agus scrios an t-ábhar ó do ríomhaire le do
thoil.
Subject: Re: Behaviour
From: Peter Flynn <pflynn AT UCC.IE>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 16:51:37 +0000
Casey, Micheal wrote:
> Re your assurance that "Only subscribers to the list can see the
> archives" - I do not believe that is correct
I do apologise: you are quite correct. This must be an artifact of how
they were originally set up before I was involved. I can change that.
> The archives search facility can be accessed by anybody entering
> IBN-L as a search on Google. In fact I have used it when abroad in
> the past. Furthermore, IBN-L discussions often come up as
> high-ranking results in searches that combine bird names and Irish
> place names.
That's because the archives are public. If I change them to private,
Google will not have access, and any existing data in their indexes will
expire and no longer be usable.
So is it the will of the membership that I change the setting to "private"?
///Peter
Subject: Re: Behaviour
From: "Casey, Micheal" <Micheal.Casey AT AGRICULTURE.GOV.IE>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 16:37:37 +0000
Thanks Peter. I assumed UCC owned it, I should have realised that the HEA was a
separate organisation.
Re your assurance that "Only subscribers to the list can see the archives" - I
do not believe that is correct
The archives search facility can be accessed by anybody entering IBN-L as a
search on Google. In fact I have used it when abroad in the past. Furthermore,
IBN-L discussions often come up as high-ranking results in searches that
combine bird names and Irish place names.
Mícheál
-----Original Message-----
From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of Peter
Flynn
Sent: 05 February 2010 16:10
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: Behaviour
Casey, Micheal wrote:
> In the interests of consistency and setting standards for the future,
> should we consider asking the UCC list administrators to delete some
> recent correspondence from this permanent record?
Technically possible, but we would have to put a case to the admins
(HEAnet) as to why it was necessary. IMHE this is not granted for
rudeness per se.
BTW UCC is not involved in this list or in the operation of the HEAnet
LISTSERV. I just happen to work there, and was asked to manage several
lists many many years ago (when UCD ran the LISTSERV service) as there
was no-one else to do it.
> Otherwise leaving this kind of material in the archive suggests that
> this is a forum that accepts and carefully archives tasteless junk of
> that nature. The deliberate and continued (through the archive)
> publication of private correspondence by identifiable individuals may
> also raise legal issues under Data Protection legislation.
Only subscribers to the list can see the archives.
///Peter
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Tá an t-eolais san ríomhphost seo, agus in aon ceangláin leis, faoi phribhléid
agus faoi rún agus le h-aghaigh an seolaí amháin. D'fhéadfadh ábhar an seoladh
seo bheith faoi phribhléid profisiúnta nó dlíthiúil. Mura tusa an seolaí a bhí
beartaithe leis an ríomhphost seo a fháil, tá cosc air, nó aon chuid de, a
úsáid, a chóipeál, nó a scaoileadh. Má tháinig sé chugat de bharr dearmad,
téigh i dteagmháil leis an seoltóir agus scrios an t-ábhar ó do ríomhaire le do
thoil.
Subject: Re: Behaviour
From: Peter Flynn <pflynn AT UCC.IE>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 16:09:59 +0000
Casey, Micheal wrote:
> In the interests of consistency and setting standards for the future,
> should we consider asking the UCC list administrators to delete some
> recent correspondence from this permanent record?
Technically possible, but we would have to put a case to the admins
(HEAnet) as to why it was necessary. IMHE this is not granted for
rudeness per se.
BTW UCC is not involved in this list or in the operation of the HEAnet
LISTSERV. I just happen to work there, and was asked to manage several
lists many many years ago (when UCD ran the LISTSERV service) as there
was no-one else to do it.
> Otherwise leaving this kind of material in the archive suggests that
> this is a forum that accepts and carefully archives tasteless junk of
> that nature. The deliberate and continued (through the archive)
> publication of private correspondence by identifiable individuals may
> also raise legal issues under Data Protection legislation.
Only subscribers to the list can see the archives.
///Peter
Subject: Re: Baltimore Bonaparte's
From: julian wyllie <jhwyllie AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 15:44:11 +0000
Hi - the Bonaparte's was again present by the north pier at Baltimore from
2.30 - 3.00 this afterenoon at least, although there was no sign of it
either there or at the fish factory between 10 & 11 this morning. 1st w
Glaucous & 4 Meds (ad, 2nd w & 2x1st w) also seen around the pier today.
All the best, Julian
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 7:09 PM, julian wyllie wrote:
> Rónán - I'd say it's roughly 50/50 in air/on water - a most obliging bird
> altogether!
>
> Owen - maybe it's taking the scenic route this year..?
>
> All the best, Julian.
>
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Ronan McLaughlin <
> rpmclaughlin AT eircom.net> wrote:
>
>> Great find Julian,
>>
>> Unfortunately the Cobh bird has not appeared since the 17th January, and
>> as you may know has an awful habit of disappearing for long periods, Ill
>> soon let you know if it makes an appearance again, thought it has been known
>> to make an appearance in February in the pilot camber/Cuskinny in previous
>> years. Just wondering is the Baltimore bird flighty or is it spending a lot
>> of time sitting on the water. The Cobh bird can be very active and lively
>> when its in the pilot camber, spending lots of time on the water, not often
>> taking to the air.
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Rónán
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Delaney" > >
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: Baltimore Bonaparte's
>>
>>
>>
>> Great find Julian, well done, i presume this is most probably a new bird
>>> and not the Cork Harbour individual,
>>>
>>> regards
>>> Hugh
>>> ----- "julian wyllie" wrote:
>>>
>>>> For anyone interested, the Baltimore Bonaparte's Gull was there again
>>>> today
>>>> but, like yesterday, disappeared at around 2.30. I did a pretty
>>>> thorough
>>>> search of the Black-headed Gull roost between Sherkin and Baltimore
>>>> this
>>>> afternoon but, again as yesterday, no joy. So if anyone was thinking
>>>> of
>>>> heading down to Baltimore, I'd suggest getting there late morning - it
>>>> was
>>>> giving superb views yesterday lunchtime in the exact same spot as the
>>>> Ivory
>>>> Gull and by all accounts, today as well (per Ciaran Cronin). I'll be
>>>> checking again tomorrow morning and will post news as soon as.
>>>>
>>>> All the best, Julian
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
Subject: Re: Behaviour
From: Phil Davis <phildavis AT IOL.IE>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 15:20:14 +0000
Well said Seamus, you beat me to the post. While some of the postings in the
past few weeks have gone a tad over the top, it has to be remembered that
there was tit for tat from both sides of the argument. How then does the
list owner decide what should be deleted without taking sides and
effectively acting as a censor, and where does it stop, as soon as somebody
posts on the forum something I do not agree with, do I then contact the list
owner and attempt to have the posting removed. No, we are all entitled to
our own opinions and in the future I think we all need to strive to respect
this and refrain from making personal attacks whether full frontal or more
subversive.
Let us all try to move on from this, as I have said before on this forum,
the only one thing we all have in common is the love of birds, maybe we
should try to let this pull us together rather than drive us apart.
Phil.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Seamus Feeney"
To:
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: Behaviour
> Mícheál.
>
> The problem with this is, who decides what posts are deleted. Is it posts
> that you, me or another disagrees with, where would it stop? Is it to be
> all correspondence from a particular poster/s? Is it a complete thread?
> personally speaking, if it's on the record, I think it should remain
> there. You obviously have a different opinion on this, so who's argument
> prevails?
>
> Peter Flynn, as the list owner has the last word re. what stays and what
> goes, but short of reading every post and deleting what would be the
> obviously offensive (foul language, threats etc.), which I don't think
> there are any of, he would have to be asked to delete particular posts.
> These presumably chosen by individuals who did not agree with them
> (probably most IBN users, but maybe not all).
>
> I think the posts should remain. We've had a slap on the wrist, and we
> know that this stuff won't be tolerated any more. Let's move on.
>
> Séamus.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
>>From: "Casey, Micheal"
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:27 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Behaviour
>
>> Fair play and well said.
>>
>> I think we all need to remember that this is a public forum, with every
>> last word stored indefinitely and searchable at:
>>
>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=IBN-L
>>
>> In the interests of consistency and setting standards for the future,
>> should we consider asking the UCC list administrators to delete some
>> recent correspondence from this permanent record? Otherwise leaving this
>> kind of material in the archive suggests that this is a forum that
>> accepts and carefully archives tasteless junk of that nature. The
>> deliberate and continued (through the archive) publication of private
>> correspondence by identifiable individuals may also raise legal issues
>> under Data Protection legislation.
>>
>> I am copying this e-mail to Peter Flynn on my own behalf, please let him
>> know on- or off-list if you support the suggestion.
>>
>> Mícheál
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
>> dermot omahony
>> Sent: 05 February 2010 12:04
>> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
>> Subject: Re: Behaviour
>>
>> Well said Paul. I've not posted on this subject before, but like you I am
>> sick and tired of the abusive postings that have littered any discussion
>> of
>> IRBC related matters on this forum for the past few years.
>>
>> If you need any support in getting the perpetrators removed from this
>> listing you have it from me. Hopefuly Paul Flynns post will enforce good
>> manners and respect where none was shown before.
>>
>> I also agree that the image of Irish birding and birders is damaged by
>> what
>> has gone on here. What neutral person would be bothered to post here or
>> to
>> join a debate after seeing some of the rubbish that has appeared
>> recently? Its about time we said enough is enough and disassociated the
>> vast
>> majority of Irish birders from the postings from Eoin Foley and Robert
>> Vaughan.
>>
>> regards and thanks to you and others for finally taking a stand.
>>
>> Dermot O'Mahony
>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Paul & Norma Moore
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Surprised that no one has responded to Peter Flynn's posts, so just for
>>> the
>>> record I would like to say that if anyone posts any personal
>>> attacks/foul
>>> mouthed tirades again I would have no hesitation in doing my best to
>>> get
>>> them removed. One of my kids is big into wildlife and I occasionally
>>> show
>>> her posts of interest on the IBN, I would hate if she ever
>>> came across some recent/not so recent stuff by accident. Some posts on
>>> this forum have undoubtedly hurt Irish birding, and from my time with
>>> the
>>> Cork Branch IWC in the past I know how hard it is to get people
>>> interested
>>> or involved in the first place.I for one have had enough.
>>> Hopefully this is finally the end of this matter.
>>> Paul
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Flynn"
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:31 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Behaviour
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A number of members have reported serious breaches of list etiquette
>>>>> to
>>>>> me.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have been reminded to draw your attention to the HEAnet Acceptable
>>>> Usage Policy and Code of Behaviour at
>>>> http://www.heanet.ie/about/aup#behaviour
>>>>
>>>> You may also wish to read the official Network Etiquette Guidelines in
>>>> RFC1855 (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html)
>>>>
>>>> Any continuation of postings on this list that appear to be in
>>>> contravention of this policy will result in the immediate removal and
>>>> banning of the subscriber from the list.
>>>>
>>>> If this does not end the offending material, then we would have to
>>>> consider closure or removal of the IBN-L email list.
>>>>
>>>> (BTW I'm not a birder or subscriber, so if you need to contact me
>>>> please
>>>> send a separate email to me, rather than to the list address.)
>>>>
>>>> ///Peter Flynn
>>>> UCC Webmaster
>>>> List Owner, IBN-L
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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>>
>> Tá an t-eolais san ríomhphost seo, agus in aon ceangláin leis, faoi
>> phribhléid agus faoi rún agus le h-aghaigh an seolaí amháin. D'fhéadfadh
>> ábhar an seoladh seo bheith faoi phribhléid profisiúnta nó dlíthiúil.
>> Mura tusa an seolaí a bhí beartaithe leis an ríomhphost seo a fháil, tá
>> cosc air, nó aon chuid de, a úsáid, a chóipeál, nó a scaoileadh. Má
>> tháinig sé chugat de bharr dearmad, téigh i dteagmháil leis an seoltóir
>> agus scrios an t-ábhar ó do ríomhaire le do thoil.
>
Subject: Re: B&W Warbler in Spain
From: Harry Hussey <hhussey3 AT YAHOO.COM>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 06:23:16 -0800
Hi Jim,
You may well be right, it's more events like the mini-influx to Britain in
1996 (three birds, from memory, and one or two on the east coast also), and
continued vagrancy by the species to the Western Pal, that makes me wonder why
it has been so long here.
That said, there were no Northern Waterthrushes found here between 1983 and
2008 either, and all it takes is one co-operative Black-and-white Warbler...
Regards,
Harry
--- On Fri, 5/2/10, Fitzharris, Jim wrote:
From: Fitzharris, Jim
Subject: Re: B&W Warbler in Spain
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Date: Friday, 5 February, 2010, 14:11
Harry,
I was under the impression that the species had (most unfortunately!)
declined significantly in North America - Lee could probably opine here.
Cheers,
Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
Harry Hussey
Sent: 05 February 2010 14:04
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: B&W Warbler in Spain
Hi Pat,
That bird was actually photographed in December, rather than
yesterday.
Given the number of WP records, in particular the spate in Britain in
the 90s, the extreme rarity of this species in Ireland, and the lack of
even reports, never mind solid records, since 1984 is perhaps puzzling?
Regards,
Harry
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Subject: Re: B&W Warbler in Spain
From: "Fitzharris, Jim" <Jim.Fitzharris AT SMURFITKAPPA.COM>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 14:11:16 -0000
Harry,
I was under the impression that the species had (most unfortunately!)
declined significantly in North America - Lee could probably opine here.
Cheers,
Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
Harry Hussey
Sent: 05 February 2010 14:04
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: B&W Warbler in Spain
Hi Pat,
That bird was actually photographed in December, rather than
yesterday.
Given the number of WP records, in particular the spate in Britain in
the 90s, the extreme rarity of this species in Ireland, and the lack of
even reports, never mind solid records, since 1984 is perhaps puzzling?
Regards,
Harry
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Subject: Re: B&W Warbler in Spain
From: Harry Hussey <hhussey3 AT YAHOO.COM>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 14:03:39 +0000
Hi Pat,
That bird was actually photographed in December, rather than yesterday.
Given the number of WP records, in particular the spate in Britain in the 90s,
the extreme rarity of this species in Ireland, and the lack of even reports,
never mind solid records, since 1984 is perhaps puzzling?
Regards,
Harry
Subject: Re: Behaviour
From: Seamus Feeney <Flyfisher1 AT EIRCOM.NET>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 13:24:32 -0000
Owen.
Fair enough . I think in this case, where an individual requests that his
own post be removed, is something I wouldn't be inclined to argue with. My
last post was about one person asking to delete the ramblings/rantings of
another, because of a difference of opinion. (No Mícheál, I don't mean you,
though I know you're not that sensitive ;-) )
Séamus.
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Owen Foley"
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:10 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Behaviour
> If it helps, I would be happy to have my offensive post removed. I have
> already admitted this was a mistake and in poor taste and if the powers
> that
> be wish for it to be removed I would not oppose it.
>
> Owen
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Seamus Feeney
> wrote:
>
>> Mícheál.
>>
>> The problem with this is, who decides what posts are deleted. Is it posts
>> that you, me or another disagrees with, where would it stop? Is it to be
>> all
>> correspondence from a particular poster/s? Is it a complete thread?
>> personally speaking, if it's on the record, I think it should remain
>> there.
>> You obviously have a different opinion on this, so who's argument
>> prevails?
>>
>> Peter Flynn, as the list owner has the last word re. what stays and what
>> goes, but short of reading every post and deleting what would be the
>> obviously offensive (foul language, threats etc.), which I don't think
>> there
>> are any of, he would have to be asked to delete particular posts. These
>> presumably chosen by individuals who did not agree with them (probably
>> most
>> IBN users, but maybe not all).
>>
>> I think the posts should remain. We've had a slap on the wrist, and we
>> know
>> that this stuff won't be tolerated any more. Let's move on.
>>
>> Séamus.
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Casey, Micheal"
>> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:27 PM
>>
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: Behaviour
>>
>> Fair play and well said.
>>>
>>> I think we all need to remember that this is a public forum, with every
>>> last word stored indefinitely and searchable at:
>>>
>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=IBN-L
>>>
>>> In the interests of consistency and setting standards for the future,
>>> should we consider asking the UCC list administrators to delete some
>>> recent
>>> correspondence from this permanent record? Otherwise leaving this kind
>>> of
>>> material in the archive suggests that this is a forum that accepts and
>>> carefully archives tasteless junk of that nature. The deliberate and
>>> continued (through the archive) publication of private correspondence by
>>> identifiable individuals may also raise legal issues under Data
>>> Protection
>>> legislation.
>>>
>>> I am copying this e-mail to Peter Flynn on my own behalf, please let him
>>> know on- or off-list if you support the suggestion.
>>>
>>> Mícheál
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
>>> dermot omahony
>>> Sent: 05 February 2010 12:04
>>> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
>>> Subject: Re: Behaviour
>>>
>>> Well said Paul. I've not posted on this subject before, but like you I
>>> am
>>> sick and tired of the abusive postings that have littered any discussion
>>> of
>>> IRBC related matters on this forum for the past few years.
>>>
>>> If you need any support in getting the perpetrators removed from this
>>> listing you have it from me. Hopefuly Paul Flynns post will enforce good
>>> manners and respect where none was shown before.
>>>
>>> I also agree that the image of Irish birding and birders is damaged by
>>> what
>>> has gone on here. What neutral person would be bothered to post here or
>>> to
>>> join a debate after seeing some of the rubbish that has appeared
>>> recently? Its about time we said enough is enough and disassociated the
>>> vast
>>> majority of Irish birders from the postings from Eoin Foley and Robert
>>> Vaughan.
>>>
>>> regards and thanks to you and others for finally taking a stand.
>>>
>>> Dermot O'Mahony
>>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Paul & Norma Moore
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Surprised that no one has responded to Peter Flynn's posts, so just for
>>>> the
>>>> record I would like to say that if anyone posts any personal
>>>> attacks/foul
>>>> mouthed tirades again I would have no hesitation in doing my best to
>>>> get
>>>> them removed. One of my kids is big into wildlife and I occasionally
>>>> show
>>>> her posts of interest on the IBN, I would hate if she ever
>>>> came across some recent/not so recent stuff by accident. Some posts on
>>>> this forum have undoubtedly hurt Irish birding, and from my time with
>>>> the
>>>> Cork Branch IWC in the past I know how hard it is to get people
>>>> interested
>>>> or involved in the first place.I for one have had enough.
>>>> Hopefully this is finally the end of this matter.
>>>> Paul
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Flynn"
>>>> To:
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:31 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Behaviour
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A number of members have reported serious breaches of list etiquette
>>>>> to
>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I have been reminded to draw your attention to the HEAnet Acceptable
>>>>> Usage Policy and Code of Behaviour at
>>>>> http://www.heanet.ie/about/aup#behaviour
>>>>>
>>>>> You may also wish to read the official Network Etiquette Guidelines in
>>>>> RFC1855 (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html)
>>>>>
>>>>> Any continuation of postings on this list that appear to be in
>>>>> contravention of this policy will result in the immediate removal and
>>>>> banning of the subscriber from the list.
>>>>>
>>>>> If this does not end the offending material, then we would have to
>>>>> consider closure or removal of the IBN-L email list.
>>>>>
>>>>> (BTW I'm not a birder or subscriber, so if you need to contact me
>>>>> please
>>>>> send a separate email to me, rather than to the list address.)
>>>>>
>>>>> ///Peter Flynn
>>>>> UCC Webmaster
>>>>> List Owner, IBN-L
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food
>>>
>>> The information contained in this email and in any attachments is
>>> confidential and is designated solely for the attention and use of the
>>> intended recipient(s). This information may be subject to legal and
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>>> email,
>>> you must not use, disclose, copy, distribute or retain this message or
>>> any
>>> part of it. If you have received this email in error, please notify the
>>> sender immediately and delete all copies of this email from your
>>> computer
>>> system(s).
>>>
>>> An Roinn Talmhaíochta, Iascaigh agus Bia
>>>
>>> Tá an t-eolais san ríomhphost seo, agus in aon ceangláin leis, faoi
>>> phribhléid agus faoi rún agus le h-aghaigh an seolaí amháin. D'fhéadfadh
>>> ábhar an seoladh seo bheith faoi phribhléid profisiúnta nó dlíthiúil.
>>> Mura
>>> tusa an seolaí a bhí beartaithe leis an ríomhphost seo a fháil, tá cosc
>>> air,
>>> nó aon chuid de, a úsáid, a chóipeál, nó a scaoileadh. Má tháinig sé
>>> chugat
>>> de bharr dearmad, téigh i dteagmháil leis an seoltóir agus scrios an
>>> t-ábhar
>>> ó do ríomhaire le do thoil.
>>>
>>
>
>
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Subject: B&W Warbler in Spain
From: Pat Lonergan <pat.lonergan AT UCD.IE>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 13:24:26 +0000
Hello all
I see from www.netfugl.dk that a Black-and-White Warbler was photographed on
Fuerteventura yesterday. Keep filling the bird feeders!
Pat
Subject: Re: Behaviour
From: "Casey, Micheal" <Micheal.Casey AT AGRICULTURE.GOV.IE>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 13:22:48 +0000
Fair enough Owen, that seems reasonable to me.
I am not a "power that be", I just suggested that if stuff shouldn't have been
put out, it shouldn't stay out. I don't believe there would be much argument as
there seems to be a reasonable consensus as to what that description applies
to.
I am all in favour of leaving this to the list owner and moving on. It's a
lovely day and there's a great forecast for the weekend.
Mícheál
-----Original Message-----
From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of Owen
Foley
Sent: 05 February 2010 13:11
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: Behaviour
If it helps, I would be happy to have my offensive post removed. I have
already admitted this was a mistake and in poor taste and if the powers that
be wish for it to be removed I would not oppose it.
Owen
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Seamus Feeney wrote:
> Mícheál.
>
> The problem with this is, who decides what posts are deleted. Is it posts
> that you, me or another disagrees with, where would it stop? Is it to be all
> correspondence from a particular poster/s? Is it a complete thread?
> personally speaking, if it's on the record, I think it should remain there.
> You obviously have a different opinion on this, so who's argument prevails?
>
> Peter Flynn, as the list owner has the last word re. what stays and what
> goes, but short of reading every post and deleting what would be the
> obviously offensive (foul language, threats etc.), which I don't think there
> are any of, he would have to be asked to delete particular posts. These
> presumably chosen by individuals who did not agree with them (probably most
> IBN users, but maybe not all).
>
> I think the posts should remain. We've had a slap on the wrist, and we know
> that this stuff won't be tolerated any more. Let's move on.
>
> Séamus.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Casey, Micheal"
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:27 PM
>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Behaviour
>
> Fair play and well said.
>>
>> I think we all need to remember that this is a public forum, with every
>> last word stored indefinitely and searchable at:
>>
>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=IBN-L
>>
>> In the interests of consistency and setting standards for the future,
>> should we consider asking the UCC list administrators to delete some recent
>> correspondence from this permanent record? Otherwise leaving this kind of
>> material in the archive suggests that this is a forum that accepts and
>> carefully archives tasteless junk of that nature. The deliberate and
>> continued (through the archive) publication of private correspondence by
>> identifiable individuals may also raise legal issues under Data Protection
>> legislation.
>>
>> I am copying this e-mail to Peter Flynn on my own behalf, please let him
>> know on- or off-list if you support the suggestion.
>>
>> Mícheál
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
>> dermot omahony
>> Sent: 05 February 2010 12:04
>> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
>> Subject: Re: Behaviour
>>
>> Well said Paul. I've not posted on this subject before, but like you I am
>> sick and tired of the abusive postings that have littered any discussion
>> of
>> IRBC related matters on this forum for the past few years.
>>
>> If you need any support in getting the perpetrators removed from this
>> listing you have it from me. Hopefuly Paul Flynns post will enforce good
>> manners and respect where none was shown before.
>>
>> I also agree that the image of Irish birding and birders is damaged by
>> what
>> has gone on here. What neutral person would be bothered to post here or to
>> join a debate after seeing some of the rubbish that has appeared
>> recently? Its about time we said enough is enough and disassociated the
>> vast
>> majority of Irish birders from the postings from Eoin Foley and Robert
>> Vaughan.
>>
>> regards and thanks to you and others for finally taking a stand.
>>
>> Dermot O'Mahony
>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Paul & Norma Moore
>> wrote:
>>
>> Surprised that no one has responded to Peter Flynn's posts, so just for
>>> the
>>> record I would like to say that if anyone posts any personal attacks/foul
>>> mouthed tirades again I would have no hesitation in doing my best to get
>>> them removed. One of my kids is big into wildlife and I occasionally
>>> show
>>> her posts of interest on the IBN, I would hate if she ever
>>> came across some recent/not so recent stuff by accident. Some posts on
>>> this forum have undoubtedly hurt Irish birding, and from my time with the
>>> Cork Branch IWC in the past I know how hard it is to get people
>>> interested
>>> or involved in the first place.I for one have had enough.
>>> Hopefully this is finally the end of this matter.
>>> Paul
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Flynn"
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:31 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Behaviour
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> A number of members have reported serious breaches of list etiquette to
>>>>> me.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I have been reminded to draw your attention to the HEAnet Acceptable
>>>> Usage Policy and Code of Behaviour at
>>>> http://www.heanet.ie/about/aup#behaviour
>>>>
>>>> You may also wish to read the official Network Etiquette Guidelines in
>>>> RFC1855 (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html)
>>>>
>>>> Any continuation of postings on this list that appear to be in
>>>> contravention of this policy will result in the immediate removal and
>>>> banning of the subscriber from the list.
>>>>
>>>> If this does not end the offending material, then we would have to
>>>> consider closure or removal of the IBN-L email list.
>>>>
>>>> (BTW I'm not a birder or subscriber, so if you need to contact me please
>>>> send a separate email to me, rather than to the list address.)
>>>>
>>>> ///Peter Flynn
>>>> UCC Webmaster
>>>> List Owner, IBN-L
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food
>>
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>>
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>>
>> Tá an t-eolais san ríomhphost seo, agus in aon ceangláin leis, faoi
>> phribhléid agus faoi rún agus le h-aghaigh an seolaí amháin. D'fhéadfadh
>> ábhar an seoladh seo bheith faoi phribhléid profisiúnta nó dlíthiúil. Mura
>> tusa an seolaí a bhí beartaithe leis an ríomhphost seo a fháil, tá cosc air,
>> nó aon chuid de, a úsáid, a chóipeál, nó a scaoileadh. Má tháinig sé chugat
>> de bharr dearmad, téigh i dteagmháil leis an seoltóir agus scrios an t-ábhar
>> ó do ríomhaire le do thoil.
>>
>
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Tá an t-eolais san ríomhphost seo, agus in aon ceangláin leis, faoi phribhléid
agus faoi rún agus le h-aghaigh an seolaí amháin. D'fhéadfadh ábhar an seoladh
seo bheith faoi phribhléid profisiúnta nó dlíthiúil. Mura tusa an seolaí a bhí
beartaithe leis an ríomhphost seo a fháil, tá cosc air, nó aon chuid de, a
úsáid, a chóipeál, nó a scaoileadh. Má tháinig sé chugat de bharr dearmad,
téigh i dteagmháil leis an seoltóir agus scrios an t-ábhar ó do ríomhaire le do
thoil.
Subject: Re: Behaviour
From: Owen Foley <pariah.owen AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 13:10:56 +0000
If it helps, I would be happy to have my offensive post removed. I have
already admitted this was a mistake and in poor taste and if the powers that
be wish for it to be removed I would not oppose it.
Owen
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Seamus Feeney wrote:
> Mícheál.
>
> The problem with this is, who decides what posts are deleted. Is it posts
> that you, me or another disagrees with, where would it stop? Is it to be all
> correspondence from a particular poster/s? Is it a complete thread?
> personally speaking, if it's on the record, I think it should remain there.
> You obviously have a different opinion on this, so who's argument prevails?
>
> Peter Flynn, as the list owner has the last word re. what stays and what
> goes, but short of reading every post and deleting what would be the
> obviously offensive (foul language, threats etc.), which I don't think there
> are any of, he would have to be asked to delete particular posts. These
> presumably chosen by individuals who did not agree with them (probably most
> IBN users, but maybe not all).
>
> I think the posts should remain. We've had a slap on the wrist, and we know
> that this stuff won't be tolerated any more. Let's move on.
>
> Séamus.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Casey, Micheal"
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:27 PM
>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Behaviour
>
> Fair play and well said.
>>
>> I think we all need to remember that this is a public forum, with every
>> last word stored indefinitely and searchable at:
>>
>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=IBN-L
>>
>> In the interests of consistency and setting standards for the future,
>> should we consider asking the UCC list administrators to delete some recent
>> correspondence from this permanent record? Otherwise leaving this kind of
>> material in the archive suggests that this is a forum that accepts and
>> carefully archives tasteless junk of that nature. The deliberate and
>> continued (through the archive) publication of private correspondence by
>> identifiable individuals may also raise legal issues under Data Protection
>> legislation.
>>
>> I am copying this e-mail to Peter Flynn on my own behalf, please let him
>> know on- or off-list if you support the suggestion.
>>
>> Mícheál
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
>> dermot omahony
>> Sent: 05 February 2010 12:04
>> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
>> Subject: Re: Behaviour
>>
>> Well said Paul. I've not posted on this subject before, but like you I am
>> sick and tired of the abusive postings that have littered any discussion
>> of
>> IRBC related matters on this forum for the past few years.
>>
>> If you need any support in getting the perpetrators removed from this
>> listing you have it from me. Hopefuly Paul Flynns post will enforce good
>> manners and respect where none was shown before.
>>
>> I also agree that the image of Irish birding and birders is damaged by
>> what
>> has gone on here. What neutral person would be bothered to post here or to
>> join a debate after seeing some of the rubbish that has appeared
>> recently? Its about time we said enough is enough and disassociated the
>> vast
>> majority of Irish birders from the postings from Eoin Foley and Robert
>> Vaughan.
>>
>> regards and thanks to you and others for finally taking a stand.
>>
>> Dermot O'Mahony
>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Paul & Norma Moore
>> wrote:
>>
>> Surprised that no one has responded to Peter Flynn's posts, so just for
>>> the
>>> record I would like to say that if anyone posts any personal attacks/foul
>>> mouthed tirades again I would have no hesitation in doing my best to get
>>> them removed. One of my kids is big into wildlife and I occasionally
>>> show
>>> her posts of interest on the IBN, I would hate if she ever
>>> came across some recent/not so recent stuff by accident. Some posts on
>>> this forum have undoubtedly hurt Irish birding, and from my time with the
>>> Cork Branch IWC in the past I know how hard it is to get people
>>> interested
>>> or involved in the first place.I for one have had enough.
>>> Hopefully this is finally the end of this matter.
>>> Paul
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Flynn"
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:31 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Behaviour
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> A number of members have reported serious breaches of list etiquette to
>>>>> me.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I have been reminded to draw your attention to the HEAnet Acceptable
>>>> Usage Policy and Code of Behaviour at
>>>> http://www.heanet.ie/about/aup#behaviour
>>>>
>>>> You may also wish to read the official Network Etiquette Guidelines in
>>>> RFC1855 (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html)
>>>>
>>>> Any continuation of postings on this list that appear to be in
>>>> contravention of this policy will result in the immediate removal and
>>>> banning of the subscriber from the list.
>>>>
>>>> If this does not end the offending material, then we would have to
>>>> consider closure or removal of the IBN-L email list.
>>>>
>>>> (BTW I'm not a birder or subscriber, so if you need to contact me please
>>>> send a separate email to me, rather than to the list address.)
>>>>
>>>> ///Peter Flynn
>>>> UCC Webmaster
>>>> List Owner, IBN-L
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food
>>
>> The information contained in this email and in any attachments is
>> confidential and is designated solely for the attention and use of the
>> intended recipient(s). This information may be subject to legal and
>> professional privilege. If you are not an intended recipient of this email,
>> you must not use, disclose, copy, distribute or retain this message or any
>> part of it. If you have received this email in error, please notify the
>> sender immediately and delete all copies of this email from your computer
>> system(s).
>>
>> An Roinn Talmhaíochta, Iascaigh agus Bia
>>
>> Tá an t-eolais san ríomhphost seo, agus in aon ceangláin leis, faoi
>> phribhléid agus faoi rún agus le h-aghaigh an seolaí amháin. D'fhéadfadh
>> ábhar an seoladh seo bheith faoi phribhléid profisiúnta nó dlíthiúil. Mura
>> tusa an seolaí a bhí beartaithe leis an ríomhphost seo a fháil, tá cosc air,
>> nó aon chuid de, a úsáid, a chóipeál, nó a scaoileadh. Má tháinig sé chugat
>> de bharr dearmad, téigh i dteagmháil leis an seoltóir agus scrios an t-ábhar
>> ó do ríomhaire le do thoil.
>>
>
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Subject: Re: Behaviour
From: Eamonn <eamonn AT COLLIERKITCHENS.IE>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 13:10:34 -0000
"We've had a slap on the wrist, and we know that this stuff won't be tolerated
any more. Let's move on."
I agree.
Martin, give us another chance. I promise we will be good.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of Seamus
Feeney
Sent: 05 February 2010 13:08
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: Behaviour
Mícheál.
The problem with this is, who decides what posts are deleted. Is it posts
that you, me or another disagrees with, where would it stop? Is it to be all
correspondence from a particular poster/s? Is it a complete thread?
personally speaking, if it's on the record, I think it should remain there.
You obviously have a different opinion on this, so who's argument prevails?
Peter Flynn, as the list owner has the last word re. what stays and what
goes, but short of reading every post and deleting what would be the
obviously offensive (foul language, threats etc.), which I don't think there
are any of, he would have to be asked to delete particular posts. These
presumably chosen by individuals who did not agree with them (probably most
IBN users, but maybe not all).
I think the posts should remain. We've had a slap on the wrist, and we know
that this stuff won't be tolerated any more. Let's move on.
Séamus.
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Casey, Micheal"
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:27 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Behaviour
> Fair play and well said.
>
> I think we all need to remember that this is a public forum, with every
> last word stored indefinitely and searchable at:
>
> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=IBN-L
>
> In the interests of consistency and setting standards for the future,
> should we consider asking the UCC list administrators to delete some
> recent correspondence from this permanent record? Otherwise leaving this
> kind of material in the archive suggests that this is a forum that accepts
> and carefully archives tasteless junk of that nature. The deliberate and
> continued (through the archive) publication of private correspondence by
> identifiable individuals may also raise legal issues under Data Protection
> legislation.
>
> I am copying this e-mail to Peter Flynn on my own behalf, please let him
> know on- or off-list if you support the suggestion.
>
> Mícheál
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
> dermot omahony
> Sent: 05 February 2010 12:04
> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
> Subject: Re: Behaviour
>
> Well said Paul. I've not posted on this subject before, but like you I am
> sick and tired of the abusive postings that have littered any discussion
> of
> IRBC related matters on this forum for the past few years.
>
> If you need any support in getting the perpetrators removed from this
> listing you have it from me. Hopefuly Paul Flynns post will enforce good
> manners and respect where none was shown before.
>
> I also agree that the image of Irish birding and birders is damaged by
> what
> has gone on here. What neutral person would be bothered to post here or to
> join a debate after seeing some of the rubbish that has appeared
> recently? Its about time we said enough is enough and disassociated the
> vast
> majority of Irish birders from the postings from Eoin Foley and Robert
> Vaughan.
>
> regards and thanks to you and others for finally taking a stand.
>
> Dermot O'Mahony
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Paul & Norma Moore
> wrote:
>
>> Surprised that no one has responded to Peter Flynn's posts, so just for
>> the
>> record I would like to say that if anyone posts any personal attacks/foul
>> mouthed tirades again I would have no hesitation in doing my best to get
>> them removed. One of my kids is big into wildlife and I occasionally
>> show
>> her posts of interest on the IBN, I would hate if she ever
>> came across some recent/not so recent stuff by accident. Some posts on
>> this forum have undoubtedly hurt Irish birding, and from my time with the
>> Cork Branch IWC in the past I know how hard it is to get people
>> interested
>> or involved in the first place.I for one have had enough.
>> Hopefully this is finally the end of this matter.
>> Paul
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Flynn"
>> To:
>> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: Behaviour
>>
>>
>>
>> I wrote:
>>>
>>>> A number of members have reported serious breaches of list etiquette to
>>>> me.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have been reminded to draw your attention to the HEAnet Acceptable
>>> Usage Policy and Code of Behaviour at
>>> http://www.heanet.ie/about/aup#behaviour
>>>
>>> You may also wish to read the official Network Etiquette Guidelines in
>>> RFC1855 (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html)
>>>
>>> Any continuation of postings on this list that appear to be in
>>> contravention of this policy will result in the immediate removal and
>>> banning of the subscriber from the list.
>>>
>>> If this does not end the offending material, then we would have to
>>> consider closure or removal of the IBN-L email list.
>>>
>>> (BTW I'm not a birder or subscriber, so if you need to contact me please
>>> send a separate email to me, rather than to the list address.)
>>>
>>> ///Peter Flynn
>>> UCC Webmaster
>>> List Owner, IBN-L
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
> Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food
>
> The information contained in this email and in any attachments is
> confidential and is designated solely for the attention and use of the
> intended recipient(s). This information may be subject to legal and
> professional privilege. If you are not an intended recipient of this
> email, you must not use, disclose, copy, distribute or retain this message
> or any part of it. If you have received this email in error, please notify
> the sender immediately and delete all copies of this email from your
> computer system(s).
>
> An Roinn Talmhaíochta, Iascaigh agus Bia
>
> Tá an t-eolais san ríomhphost seo, agus in aon ceangláin leis, faoi
> phribhléid agus faoi rún agus le h-aghaigh an seolaí amháin. D'fhéadfadh
> ábhar an seoladh seo bheith faoi phribhléid profisiúnta nó dlíthiúil. Mura
> tusa an seolaí a bhí beartaithe leis an ríomhphost seo a fháil, tá cosc
> air, nó aon chuid de, a úsáid, a chóipeál, nó a scaoileadh. Má tháinig sé
> chugat de bharr dearmad, téigh i dteagmháil leis an seoltóir agus scrios
> an t-ábhar ó do ríomhaire le do thoil.
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Subject: Re: Behaviour
From: Seamus Feeney <Flyfisher1 AT EIRCOM.NET>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 13:08:22 -0000
Mícheál.
The problem with this is, who decides what posts are deleted. Is it posts
that you, me or another disagrees with, where would it stop? Is it to be all
correspondence from a particular poster/s? Is it a complete thread?
personally speaking, if it's on the record, I think it should remain there.
You obviously have a different opinion on this, so who's argument prevails?
Peter Flynn, as the list owner has the last word re. what stays and what
goes, but short of reading every post and deleting what would be the
obviously offensive (foul language, threats etc.), which I don't think there
are any of, he would have to be asked to delete particular posts. These
presumably chosen by individuals who did not agree with them (probably most
IBN users, but maybe not all).
I think the posts should remain. We've had a slap on the wrist, and we know
that this stuff won't be tolerated any more. Let's move on.
Séamus.
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Casey, Micheal"
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:27 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Behaviour
> Fair play and well said.
>
> I think we all need to remember that this is a public forum, with every
> last word stored indefinitely and searchable at:
>
> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=IBN-L
>
> In the interests of consistency and setting standards for the future,
> should we consider asking the UCC list administrators to delete some
> recent correspondence from this permanent record? Otherwise leaving this
> kind of material in the archive suggests that this is a forum that accepts
> and carefully archives tasteless junk of that nature. The deliberate and
> continued (through the archive) publication of private correspondence by
> identifiable individuals may also raise legal issues under Data Protection
> legislation.
>
> I am copying this e-mail to Peter Flynn on my own behalf, please let him
> know on- or off-list if you support the suggestion.
>
> Mícheál
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
> dermot omahony
> Sent: 05 February 2010 12:04
> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
> Subject: Re: Behaviour
>
> Well said Paul. I've not posted on this subject before, but like you I am
> sick and tired of the abusive postings that have littered any discussion
> of
> IRBC related matters on this forum for the past few years.
>
> If you need any support in getting the perpetrators removed from this
> listing you have it from me. Hopefuly Paul Flynns post will enforce good
> manners and respect where none was shown before.
>
> I also agree that the image of Irish birding and birders is damaged by
> what
> has gone on here. What neutral person would be bothered to post here or to
> join a debate after seeing some of the rubbish that has appeared
> recently? Its about time we said enough is enough and disassociated the
> vast
> majority of Irish birders from the postings from Eoin Foley and Robert
> Vaughan.
>
> regards and thanks to you and others for finally taking a stand.
>
> Dermot O'Mahony
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Paul & Norma Moore
> wrote:
>
>> Surprised that no one has responded to Peter Flynn's posts, so just for
>> the
>> record I would like to say that if anyone posts any personal attacks/foul
>> mouthed tirades again I would have no hesitation in doing my best to get
>> them removed. One of my kids is big into wildlife and I occasionally
>> show
>> her posts of interest on the IBN, I would hate if she ever
>> came across some recent/not so recent stuff by accident. Some posts on
>> this forum have undoubtedly hurt Irish birding, and from my time with the
>> Cork Branch IWC in the past I know how hard it is to get people
>> interested
>> or involved in the first place.I for one have had enough.
>> Hopefully this is finally the end of this matter.
>> Paul
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Flynn"
>> To:
>> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: Behaviour
>>
>>
>>
>> I wrote:
>>>
>>>> A number of members have reported serious breaches of list etiquette to
>>>> me.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have been reminded to draw your attention to the HEAnet Acceptable
>>> Usage Policy and Code of Behaviour at
>>> http://www.heanet.ie/about/aup#behaviour
>>>
>>> You may also wish to read the official Network Etiquette Guidelines in
>>> RFC1855 (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html)
>>>
>>> Any continuation of postings on this list that appear to be in
>>> contravention of this policy will result in the immediate removal and
>>> banning of the subscriber from the list.
>>>
>>> If this does not end the offending material, then we would have to
>>> consider closure or removal of the IBN-L email list.
>>>
>>> (BTW I'm not a birder or subscriber, so if you need to contact me please
>>> send a separate email to me, rather than to the list address.)
>>>
>>> ///Peter Flynn
>>> UCC Webmaster
>>> List Owner, IBN-L
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
> Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food
>
> The information contained in this email and in any attachments is
> confidential and is designated solely for the attention and use of the
> intended recipient(s). This information may be subject to legal and
> professional privilege. If you are not an intended recipient of this
> email, you must not use, disclose, copy, distribute or retain this message
> or any part of it. If you have received this email in error, please notify
> the sender immediately and delete all copies of this email from your
> computer system(s).
>
> An Roinn Talmhaíochta, Iascaigh agus Bia
>
> Tá an t-eolais san ríomhphost seo, agus in aon ceangláin leis, faoi
> phribhléid agus faoi rún agus le h-aghaigh an seolaí amháin. D'fhéadfadh
> ábhar an seoladh seo bheith faoi phribhléid profisiúnta nó dlíthiúil. Mura
> tusa an seolaí a bhí beartaithe leis an ríomhphost seo a fháil, tá cosc
> air, nó aon chuid de, a úsáid, a chóipeál, nó a scaoileadh. Má tháinig sé
> chugat de bharr dearmad, téigh i dteagmháil leis an seoltóir agus scrios
> an t-ábhar ó do ríomhaire le do thoil.
Subject: Re: Behaviour
From: Sean O'Connor <seanmaryoconnor AT EIRCOM.NET>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 12:31:17 -0000
Agreed Paul.
No one is to reply to Peter Flynn via IBN see his last line.
(BTW I'm not a birder or subscriber, so if you need to contact me please
> send a separate email to me, rather than to the list address.)
Regards
Sean
-----Original Message-----
From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of Paul
& Norma Moore
Sent: 05 February 2010 08:30
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: Behaviour
Surprised that no one has responded to Peter Flynn's posts, so just for the
record I would like to say that if anyone posts any personal attacks/foul
mouthed tirades again I would have no hesitation in doing my best to get
them removed. One of my kids is big into wildlife and I occasionally show
her posts of interest on the IBN, I would hate if she ever
came across some recent/not so recent stuff by accident. Some posts on
this forum have undoubtedly hurt Irish birding, and from my time with the
Cork Branch IWC in the past I know how hard it is to get people interested
or involved in the first place.I for one have had enough.
Hopefully this is finally the end of this matter.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Flynn"
To:
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: Behaviour
>I wrote:
>> A number of members have reported serious breaches of list etiquette to
>> me.
>
> I have been reminded to draw your attention to the HEAnet Acceptable
> Usage Policy and Code of Behaviour at
> http://www.heanet.ie/about/aup#behaviour
>
> You may also wish to read the official Network Etiquette Guidelines in
> RFC1855 (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html)
>
> Any continuation of postings on this list that appear to be in
> contravention of this policy will result in the immediate removal and
> banning of the subscriber from the list.
>
> If this does not end the offending material, then we would have to
> consider closure or removal of the IBN-L email list.
>
> (BTW I'm not a birder or subscriber, so if you need to contact me please
> send a separate email to me, rather than to the list address.)
>
> ///Peter Flynn
> UCC Webmaster
> List Owner, IBN-L
>
>
Subject: Re: Behaviour
From: "Casey, Micheal" <Micheal.Casey AT AGRICULTURE.GOV.IE>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 12:27:14 +0000
Fair play and well said.
I think we all need to remember that this is a public forum, with every last
word stored indefinitely and searchable at:
https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=IBN-L
In the interests of consistency and setting standards for the future, should we
consider asking the UCC list administrators to delete some recent
correspondence from this permanent record? Otherwise leaving this kind of
material in the archive suggests that this is a forum that accepts and
carefully archives tasteless junk of that nature. The deliberate and continued
(through the archive) publication of private correspondence by identifiable
individuals may also raise legal issues under Data Protection legislation.
I am copying this e-mail to Peter Flynn on my own behalf, please let him know
on- or off-list if you support the suggestion.
Mícheál
-----Original Message-----
From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of dermot
omahony
Sent: 05 February 2010 12:04
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: Behaviour
Well said Paul. I've not posted on this subject before, but like you I am
sick and tired of the abusive postings that have littered any discussion of
IRBC related matters on this forum for the past few years.
If you need any support in getting the perpetrators removed from this
listing you have it from me. Hopefuly Paul Flynns post will enforce good
manners and respect where none was shown before.
I also agree that the image of Irish birding and birders is damaged by what
has gone on here. What neutral person would be bothered to post here or to
join a debate after seeing some of the rubbish that has appeared
recently? Its about time we said enough is enough and disassociated the vast
majority of Irish birders from the postings from Eoin Foley and Robert
Vaughan.
regards and thanks to you and others for finally taking a stand.
Dermot O'Mahony
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Paul & Norma Moore
wrote:
> Surprised that no one has responded to Peter Flynn's posts, so just for the
> record I would like to say that if anyone posts any personal attacks/foul
> mouthed tirades again I would have no hesitation in doing my best to get
> them removed. One of my kids is big into wildlife and I occasionally show
> her posts of interest on the IBN, I would hate if she ever
> came across some recent/not so recent stuff by accident. Some posts on
> this forum have undoubtedly hurt Irish birding, and from my time with the
> Cork Branch IWC in the past I know how hard it is to get people interested
> or involved in the first place.I for one have had enough.
> Hopefully this is finally the end of this matter.
> Paul
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Flynn"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Behaviour
>
>
>
> I wrote:
>>
>>> A number of members have reported serious breaches of list etiquette to
>>> me.
>>>
>>
>> I have been reminded to draw your attention to the HEAnet Acceptable
>> Usage Policy and Code of Behaviour at
>> http://www.heanet.ie/about/aup#behaviour
>>
>> You may also wish to read the official Network Etiquette Guidelines in
>> RFC1855 (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html)
>>
>> Any continuation of postings on this list that appear to be in
>> contravention of this policy will result in the immediate removal and
>> banning of the subscriber from the list.
>>
>> If this does not end the offending material, then we would have to
>> consider closure or removal of the IBN-L email list.
>>
>> (BTW I'm not a birder or subscriber, so if you need to contact me please
>> send a separate email to me, rather than to the list address.)
>>
>> ///Peter Flynn
>> UCC Webmaster
>> List Owner, IBN-L
>>
>>
>>
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Subject: Re: Behaviour
From: dermot omahony <phyllosc AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 12:03:39 +0000
Well said Paul. I've not posted on this subject before, but like you I am
sick and tired of the abusive postings that have littered any discussion of
IRBC related matters on this forum for the past few years.
If you need any support in getting the perpetrators removed from this
listing you have it from me. Hopefuly Paul Flynns post will enforce good
manners and respect where none was shown before.
I also agree that the image of Irish birding and birders is damaged by what
has gone on here. What neutral person would be bothered to post here or to
join a debate after seeing some of the rubbish that has appeared
recently? Its about time we said enough is enough and disassociated the vast
majority of Irish birders from the postings from Eoin Foley and Robert
Vaughan.
regards and thanks to you and others for finally taking a stand.
Dermot O'Mahony
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Paul & Norma Moore
wrote:
> Surprised that no one has responded to Peter Flynn's posts, so just for the
> record I would like to say that if anyone posts any personal attacks/foul
> mouthed tirades again I would have no hesitation in doing my best to get
> them removed. One of my kids is big into wildlife and I occasionally show
> her posts of interest on the IBN, I would hate if she ever
> came across some recent/not so recent stuff by accident. Some posts on
> this forum have undoubtedly hurt Irish birding, and from my time with the
> Cork Branch IWC in the past I know how hard it is to get people interested
> or involved in the first place.I for one have had enough.
> Hopefully this is finally the end of this matter.
> Paul
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Flynn"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Behaviour
>
>
>
> I wrote:
>>
>>> A number of members have reported serious breaches of list etiquette to
>>> me.
>>>
>>
>> I have been reminded to draw your attention to the HEAnet Acceptable
>> Usage Policy and Code of Behaviour at
>> http://www.heanet.ie/about/aup#behaviour
>>
>> You may also wish to read the official Network Etiquette Guidelines in
>> RFC1855 (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html)
>>
>> Any continuation of postings on this list that appear to be in
>> contravention of this policy will result in the immediate removal and
>> banning of the subscriber from the list.
>>
>> If this does not end the offending material, then we would have to
>> consider closure or removal of the IBN-L email list.
>>
>> (BTW I'm not a birder or subscriber, so if you need to contact me please
>> send a separate email to me, rather than to the list address.)
>>
>> ///Peter Flynn
>> UCC Webmaster
>> List Owner, IBN-L
>>
>>
>>
Subject: Re: Behaviour
From: Paul & Norma Moore <Paulmoore01 AT EIRCOM.NET>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 00:30:26 -0800
Surprised that no one has responded to Peter Flynn's posts, so just for the
record I would like to say that if anyone posts any personal attacks/foul
mouthed tirades again I would have no hesitation in doing my best to get
them removed. One of my kids is big into wildlife and I occasionally show
her posts of interest on the IBN, I would hate if she ever
came across some recent/not so recent stuff by accident. Some posts on
this forum have undoubtedly hurt Irish birding, and from my time with the
Cork Branch IWC in the past I know how hard it is to get people interested
or involved in the first place.I for one have had enough.
Hopefully this is finally the end of this matter.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Flynn"
To:
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: Behaviour
>I wrote:
>> A number of members have reported serious breaches of list etiquette to
>> me.
>
> I have been reminded to draw your attention to the HEAnet Acceptable
> Usage Policy and Code of Behaviour at
> http://www.heanet.ie/about/aup#behaviour
>
> You may also wish to read the official Network Etiquette Guidelines in
> RFC1855 (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html)
>
> Any continuation of postings on this list that appear to be in
> contravention of this policy will result in the immediate removal and
> banning of the subscriber from the list.
>
> If this does not end the offending material, then we would have to
> consider closure or removal of the IBN-L email list.
>
> (BTW I'm not a birder or subscriber, so if you need to contact me please
> send a separate email to me, rather than to the list address.)
>
> ///Peter Flynn
> UCC Webmaster
> List Owner, IBN-L
>
>
Subject: Re: Behaviour
From: Peter Flynn <pflynn AT UCC.IE>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:31:20 +0000
I wrote:
> A number of members have reported serious breaches of list etiquette to
> me.
I have been reminded to draw your attention to the HEAnet Acceptable
Usage Policy and Code of Behaviour at
http://www.heanet.ie/about/aup#behaviour
You may also wish to read the official Network Etiquette Guidelines in
RFC1855 (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html)
Any continuation of postings on this list that appear to be in
contravention of this policy will result in the immediate removal and
banning of the subscriber from the list.
If this does not end the offending material, then we would have to
consider closure or removal of the IBN-L email list.
(BTW I'm not a birder or subscriber, so if you need to contact me please
send a separate email to me, rather than to the list address.)
///Peter Flynn
UCC Webmaster
List Owner, IBN-L
Subject: Re: convincing Thayer's Gull
From: SUBSCRIBE IBN-L Lee G R Evans <LGREUK400 AT AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 18:46:08 EST
Hi John
I will try and prepare a detailed statement on this when I have all of the
records to hand but I must say that the acceptance of the most recent Mayo
bird as a Thayer's Gull was completely unexpected, particularly as it did
not conform to what we consider the 'normal' variation of this form. I make
no secret of the fact that I believed that bird to be an intergrade, North
American Herring Gull being a key proponent in its history.
In my view, the current Galway individual has by far the best credentials
of any putative thayeri previously recorded in Ireland, better perhaps than
the February 1990 bird in Cork, and questions still hang over the
identities of some of the other earlier records. We still do not know what to
make
of the very first Thayer's Gull I saw in Ireland, that bird feeding amongst
all of the chicken legs on that once fantastic larid site of Galway Dump.
The reason I have so many doubts over thayeri claims is the recent
propensity of records, particularly in Britain, of so many 'Thayer's Gull'
lookalikes which err on the pale side. In recent years, it has become generally
apparent that the variation of these Northwestern gulls is poorly understood
and that the amount of intergradation or hybridisation, if any, is virtually
unknown. There is still so much to be learnt about this species and like
smithsonianus, the limits and boundaries of its physical appearance are
gradually being discovered
I shall try and elaborate more later
Best wishes
Lee
Subject: convincing Thayer's Gull
From: John Coveney Birds <birds AT ECOVENEY.IE>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 22:44:46 -0000
Lee
In an effort to generate a bit of proper birding discussion, perhaps you
could expand on your recent statement about the Ross Beach bird as "the most
convincing Thayer's Gull ever recorded in Ireland", I'd be interested in
hearing how unconvincing you find the accepted Irish records
(http://www.irbc.ie/announcements/announce28.php - perhaps someone could
post details of any since 2003).
John C
Subject: Re: Owen
From: John Coveney Birds <birds AT ECOVENEY.IE>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 22:26:05 -0000
Phil,
I'm glad you don't want to start another row with me . . . I hate winning
all the time :-)
I take your BIRD point in principle but when the issue between Owen and the
IRBC has been rowed about, thrashed around and raked over many times, as I
think it is fair to say it has been and when, as I understand it, the vast
majority of IBN'ers want no more of it, in my opinion it should be concluded
on IBN.
Definitely maybe my last word on this (with apologies to Liam & Noel -
here's hoping that bracketing them together doesn't start another row!!).
John C
-----Original Message-----
From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of Phil
Davis
Sent: 04 February 2010 20:09
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: Owen
Hi John, while I don't want to start another row, I have to strongly
disagree with you! The IBN is the Irish BIRD Net and the IRBC is the Irish
rare BIRD committee, therefore it is quite valid to discuss this on this
forum.
Phil.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Coveney Birds"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: Owen
> Owen
>
> Again I welcome your response. In my response to you, I am going to try to
> narrow things to what, in my opinion, is relevant to IBN, i.e. point 4
> below. I hope to end my involvement in this thread in one or two more
> postings, at most.
>
> 1. I accept your right to deal with your own blog as you see fit and I
> don't
> propose to deal further with it here.
>
> 2. Based on what I can remember of their posts, their brief existence on
> IBN, and your Facebook argument, I am inclined to accept that Yarislav and
> his like are fakes and if they are Irish birders, my views on their
> actions
> on IBN would be similar to the views I expressed in my post of 2 Feb (I
> say
> inclined because I don't have the technical knowledge to verify this for
> myself).
>
> 3. I accept your right, as I would for anyone, to defend yourself, and to
> use publicly available information to do so (but see my next point).
> However, in relation to your issue with the IRBC, I am strongly of the
> view
> that you and everyone else should not deal with it in future on IBN - so I
> am not commenting further on it here.
>
> 4. You have not responded to my point about how you know what Google
> searches Irish birders are doing - it seems a reasonable assumption that
> the
> search that you posted details of, was done by an Irish birder. If you
> don't
> know who the IP address belongs to, why would you be monitoring it? I
> continue to await clarification on this issue because I strongly believe
> that, just because you may be able to do it, it would become completely
> unacceptable to monitor all of someone's internet traffic.
>
> John C
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
>>Owen
> Foley
> Sent: 03 February 2010 11:57
> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
> Subject: Re: Owen
>
> John,
>
> I did not post a name, no, I have no means of tracing an IP address to an
> individual without spending years training to become a master hacker. I
> also
> have no means to monitor activity on anything BUT my own blog. The
> information on traffic in and out of my own personal web space is akin to
> knowing who is entering in and out one's own home and what entrance they
> use and is, obviously, mine to do with what I wish.
> The IP address of anyone posting to a forum such as the IBN, is
> information
> which is in the public domain and freely obtainable.
>
> I have the right, surely, to exercise whatever investigative abilities and
> tools I have to clear my name ?
> The information I posted was relevent, as in the past, some members of the
> IBN had suggested that the "yarislav" incident was down to paranoia on
> Roberts and My part, and that there was a possibility that there was a
> real
> Slovenian birder out there simply requesting information, co-incidentally
> on
> 2 barred crossbill.
>
> As facebook works only on an "accepted friend" basis, i.e. only someone
> you
> have accepted as a friend can view your updates and homepage, then the
> fact
> that this person accessed my blog via a link on my and Harry's homepage,
> means that he is a facebook "friend" of either mine or Harry's. As neither
> of us has a friend named Yarislav Crez or chez or however he is spelling
> the
> name between postings, then the matter is now settled and proven.
>
> "Yarislav" was a member of the birding community who maliciously and
> deliberately set out to smear both myself and Roberts name and record.
>
> The IRBC, at the time of writing to me, stated their decision was based on
> faith and an apparent lack of it in my standards. (Though no one present
> at
> the forum, bar Eric, has ever birded with me and was in no position to
> know
> of them)
>
> I would put it to them, and the wider community, What is the relevance of
> faith, when it is so easily manipulated and shaped by those who can
> conduct
> a smear campaign from the safety of anonymity?
>
> It is a valid question.
>
> Owen
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:36 AM, John Coveney Birds
> wrote:
>
>> Owen,
>>
>> Your response to my posting was welcome. It would be great if it means
>> the
>> end of this issue on the IBN, from everyone, and if we can get back to a
>> reasonably normal service i.e. birding in Ireland, including
> constructively
>> critical comments on bird-ID, the usual off-topic items that have at
>> least
>> a
>> passing relationship to Irish birding, as well as a bit of normal crack.
>>
>> It was a great pity that an IRBC announcement that was, as I understand
> it,
>> universally welcome, became a thread where these issues were discussed
>> yet
>> again. In future, I would strongly suggest that any discussion of IRBC on
>> IBN should, in addition to factual announcements:-
>> (i) be strictly limited to issues and not deal with individuals.
>> (ii) deal only with what IRBC should do in the future.
>> People with any other issues with IRBC and those who support or disagree
>> with those people, should discuss them with IRBC or privately as
>> appropriate.
>>
>> I remain greatly concerned about the internet monitoring - not about your
>> own blog (I don't know enough about blogs to comment on whether it is
>> appropriate to monitor individual visits - if that's what you do - as
>> opposed to the amount of traffic you get). My concern relates to this IBN
>> posting:-
>>
>> "Subject: Re: IRBC Announcement
>> From: Owen Foley
>> ...
>> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:28:46 +0000"
>>
>> where you stated (with my edits as I don't want to repeat material that
>> should not have been posted)
>>
>> "For example, this . . . individual, who at a time of . . . (. . .), went
>> searching google for the adjoined
>> terms "Owen Foley" and "Goshawks", "
>>
>> You went on to paste in an IP address and associated "computerese" about
>> this search.
>>
>> I would appreciate clarification on this issue, particularly in relation
> to
>> whether you actually identified the individual concerned (please DO NOT
>> POST
>> A NAME or any other details if you know them, nor any information on how
>> this monitoring is done). More importantly, you need to undertake that
>> you
>> will not monitor or attempt to monitor birders' internet activities
>> beyond
>> what is appropriate to you own blog and similar items.
>>
>> Thanks, John C
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
>> Owen
>> Foley
>> Sent: 02 February 2010 16:51
>> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
>> Subject: Re: Owen
>>
>> John,
>>
>> You and others are right. This email was in poor taste. A groggy,
>> frustrated and overly harsh response to peters mails and i should not
>> have taken this tact.
>>
>> I sincerely apologise, not only to peter, but all members of the ibn.
>>
>> However, i hope it is not to be forgotten that, at the time of the
>> woodpecker fireworks display, it was I, who it was suggested was
>> rabblerousing behind the scenes. I took the blame for that.
>>
>> As for monitoring internet activity, I am perfectly within my rights
>> to monitor traffic on my own blog, as millions of people do around the
>> world.
>>
>> Again, apologies for my earlier mail. It will not happen again.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>>
>> On 2/2/10, John Coveney Birds wrote:
>> > Owen,
>> >
>> > It's time for you stop these posts, apologize and undertake not do so
>> again
>> > -
>> >
>> > OR
>> >
>> > for you to sign out of IBN - NOW!
>> >
>> > Whatever wrong was done to you was not done by IBN and does not, in any
>> way,
>> > justify the posts you make to IBN. It also is completely objectionable
>> for
>> > you to:-
>> > a) publish private emails;
>> > b) be monitoring other people's internet activity.
>> >
>> > Unfortunately, you are well aware that IBN is essentially un-moderated.
>> If
>> > you won't heed this and other similar postings asking you to change
>> > your
>> > behavior on IBN, I suggest that birders withdraw from IBN and set up an
>> > alternative moderated list.
>> >
>> > Additionally, while you continue to post your vile and abusive rants
>> against
>> > IBn'ers, you stand in the middle of groups of Irish birders at twitches
>> when
>> > everyone is helping each other get onto a bird. If I encounter you at
>> > a
>> > twitch in future, I will ask you to move out of earshot of the group.
>> > If
>> you
>> > won't, I will stand in front of your scope for a while to demonstrate,
> in
>> a
>> > peaceful manner, my disgust at your actions. I would encourage others
>> > to
>> do
>> > the same in an equally peaceful manner.
>> >
>> > Until you make it clear that you are going to apologize and change your
>> > actions on IBN, I don't think Irish birders should have anything to do
>> with
>> > you nor tolerate you in their presence - physically or electronically.
>> >
>> > Finally, I know many IBN'ers have ignored this issue in the past, as
>> indeed
>> > I have often done. However, it would be good if those of you still here
>> (I
>> > wonder how many members signed off because of these posts by Owen??)
>> could
>> > discuss how this issue could be resolved.
>> >
>> > John C
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Dermot McCabe
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> It's time this topic was closed. Publication of private emails is
>> >> distresssing.
>> >> Dermot.
>> >>
>> >> On 2 February 2010 13:52, Eamonn wrote:
>> >> > You have Waaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy too much time on your hands.
>> >> >
>> >> > Wouldn't bother past the first line and doubt many others will
> either.
>> >> >
>> >> > Go birding. Much better way to waste time.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Bob
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
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>> >
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>> > --
>> > In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of
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>> > very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
>> > - Douglas Adams
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of
>> people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
>> - Douglas Adams
>>
>
>
>
> --
> In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people
> very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
> - Douglas Adams
>
Subject: Re: Owen
From: John Coveney Birds <birds AT ECOVENEY.IE>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 22:07:59 -0000
Owen
Thanks for the clarification. I had not realized that you came by the
details because the individual concerned had, from a search they conducted,
obtained a link to and then proceeded to click through to your site. I know
a lot more about the internet now :-)
OK - over and out from me on this. . . unless I feel absolutely compelled
to reply to something else on this thread . . . as I am about to do so now,
briefly, to Phil.
John C
-----Original Message-----
From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of Owen
Foley
Sent: 04 February 2010 19:32
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: Owen
John,
In relation to your 4th point.
I am not, and for that matter CAN NOT, monitor google searches.
Anyone who owns any website can monitor the traffic on their site.
This includes information such as the IP address, their entrance path
(the link clicked to bring the visitor to the site), links clicked
within the site (content usage), and the exit path (link clicked to
leave the site). In this case, the visitor accessed my site via a link
produced via a google search, the information on which is recorded
automatically in the link itself (the way to look at it is, even
though the link you look at from a google search may say terrys
chocolate orange, the computer still sees it as a result for the terms
"terry" and "chocolate" and includes it in the link info). In other
words Im not monitoring anyone, they came to me...Im simply able to
see the footprints they leave behind.
Doing so probably pre-empted yet another tirade against ten year old
sightings of goshawk which never got submitted in the first place.
Owen
On 2/4/10, John Coveney Birds wrote:
> Owen
>
> Again I welcome your response. In my response to you, I am going to try to
> narrow things to what, in my opinion, is relevant to IBN, i.e. point 4
> below. I hope to end my involvement in this thread in one or two more
> postings, at most.
>
> 1. I accept your right to deal with your own blog as you see fit and I
don't
> propose to deal further with it here.
>
> 2. Based on what I can remember of their posts, their brief existence on
> IBN, and your Facebook argument, I am inclined to accept that Yarislav and
> his like are fakes and if they are Irish birders, my views on their
actions
> on IBN would be similar to the views I expressed in my post of 2 Feb (I
say
> inclined because I don't have the technical knowledge to verify this for
> myself).
>
> 3. I accept your right, as I would for anyone, to defend yourself, and to
> use publicly available information to do so (but see my next point).
> However, in relation to your issue with the IRBC, I am strongly of the
view
> that you and everyone else should not deal with it in future on IBN - so I
> am not commenting further on it here.
>
> 4. You have not responded to my point about how you know what Google
> searches Irish birders are doing - it seems a reasonable assumption that
the
> search that you posted details of, was done by an Irish birder. If you
don't
> know who the IP address belongs to, why would you be monitoring it? I
> continue to await clarification on this issue because I strongly believe
> that, just because you may be able to do it, it would become completely
> unacceptable to monitor all of someone's internet traffic.
>
> John C
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
Owen
> Foley
> Sent: 03 February 2010 11:57
> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
> Subject: Re: Owen
>
> John,
>
> I did not post a name, no, I have no means of tracing an IP address to an
> individual without spending years training to become a master hacker. I
also
> have no means to monitor activity on anything BUT my own blog. The
> information on traffic in and out of my own personal web space is akin to
> knowing who is entering in and out one's own home and what entrance they
> use and is, obviously, mine to do with what I wish.
> The IP address of anyone posting to a forum such as the IBN, is
information
> which is in the public domain and freely obtainable.
>
> I have the right, surely, to exercise whatever investigative abilities and
> tools I have to clear my name ?
> The information I posted was relevent, as in the past, some members of the
> IBN had suggested that the "yarislav" incident was down to paranoia on
> Roberts and My part, and that there was a possibility that there was a
real
> Slovenian birder out there simply requesting information, co-incidentally
on
> 2 barred crossbill.
>
> As facebook works only on an "accepted friend" basis, i.e. only someone
you
> have accepted as a friend can view your updates and homepage, then the
fact
> that this person accessed my blog via a link on my and Harry's homepage,
> means that he is a facebook "friend" of either mine or Harry's. As neither
> of us has a friend named Yarislav Crez or chez or however he is spelling
the
> name between postings, then the matter is now settled and proven.
>
> "Yarislav" was a member of the birding community who maliciously and
> deliberately set out to smear both myself and Roberts name and record.
>
> The IRBC, at the time of writing to me, stated their decision was based on
> faith and an apparent lack of it in my standards. (Though no one present
at
> the forum, bar Eric, has ever birded with me and was in no position to
know
> of them)
>
> I would put it to them, and the wider community, What is the relevance of
> faith, when it is so easily manipulated and shaped by those who can
conduct
> a smear campaign from the safety of anonymity?
>
> It is a valid question.
>
> Owen
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:36 AM, John Coveney Birds
> wrote:
>
>> Owen,
>>
>> Your response to my posting was welcome. It would be great if it means
the
>> end of this issue on the IBN, from everyone, and if we can get back to a
>> reasonably normal service i.e. birding in Ireland, including
> constructively
>> critical comments on bird-ID, the usual off-topic items that have at
least
>> a
>> passing relationship to Irish birding, as well as a bit of normal crack.
>>
>> It was a great pity that an IRBC announcement that was, as I understand
> it,
>> universally welcome, became a thread where these issues were discussed
yet
>> again. In future, I would strongly suggest that any discussion of IRBC on
>> IBN should, in addition to factual announcements:-
>> (i) be strictly limited to issues and not deal with individuals.
>> (ii) deal only with what IRBC should do in the future.
>> People with any other issues with IRBC and those who support or disagree
>> with those people, should discuss them with IRBC or privately as
>> appropriate.
>>
>> I remain greatly concerned about the internet monitoring - not about your
>> own blog (I don't know enough about blogs to comment on whether it is
>> appropriate to monitor individual visits - if that's what you do - as
>> opposed to the amount of traffic you get). My concern relates to this IBN
>> posting:-
>>
>> "Subject: Re: IRBC Announcement
>> From: Owen Foley
>> ...
>> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:28:46 +0000"
>>
>> where you stated (with my edits as I don't want to repeat material that
>> should not have been posted)
>>
>> "For example, this . . . individual, who at a time of . . . (. . .), went
>> searching google for the adjoined
>> terms "Owen Foley" and "Goshawks", "
>>
>> You went on to paste in an IP address and associated "computerese" about
>> this search.
>>
>> I would appreciate clarification on this issue, particularly in relation
> to
>> whether you actually identified the individual concerned (please DO NOT
>> POST
>> A NAME or any other details if you know them, nor any information on how
>> this monitoring is done). More importantly, you need to undertake that
you
>> will not monitor or attempt to monitor birders' internet activities
beyond
>> what is appropriate to you own blog and similar items.
>>
>> Thanks, John C
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
>> Owen
>> Foley
>> Sent: 02 February 2010 16:51
>> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
>> Subject: Re: Owen
>>
>> John,
>>
>> You and others are right. This email was in poor taste. A groggy,
>> frustrated and overly harsh response to peters mails and i should not
>> have taken this tact.
>>
>> I sincerely apologise, not only to peter, but all members of the ibn.
>>
>> However, i hope it is not to be forgotten that, at the time of the
>> woodpecker fireworks display, it was I, who it was suggested was
>> rabblerousing behind the scenes. I took the blame for that.
>>
>> As for monitoring internet activity, I am perfectly within my rights
>> to monitor traffic on my own blog, as millions of people do around the
>> world.
>>
>> Again, apologies for my earlier mail. It will not happen again.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>>
>> On 2/2/10, John Coveney Birds wrote:
>> > Owen,
>> >
>> > It's time for you stop these posts, apologize and undertake not do so
>> again
>> > -
>> >
>> > OR
>> >
>> > for you to sign out of IBN - NOW!
>> >
>> > Whatever wrong was done to you was not done by IBN and does not, in any
>> way,
>> > justify the posts you make to IBN. It also is completely objectionable
>> for
>> > you to:-
>> > a) publish private emails;
>> > b) be monitoring other people's internet activity.
>> >
>> > Unfortunately, you are well aware that IBN is essentially un-moderated.
>> If
>> > you won't heed this and other similar postings asking you to change
your
>> > behavior on IBN, I suggest that birders withdraw from IBN and set up an
>> > alternative moderated list.
>> >
>> > Additionally, while you continue to post your vile and abusive rants
>> against
>> > IBn'ers, you stand in the middle of groups of Irish birders at twitches
>> when
>> > everyone is helping each other get onto a bird. If I encounter you at
a
>> > twitch in future, I will ask you to move out of earshot of the group.
If
>> you
>> > won't, I will stand in front of your scope for a while to demonstrate,
> in
>> a
>> > peaceful manner, my disgust at your actions. I would encourage others
to
>> do
>> > the same in an equally peaceful manner.
>> >
>> > Until you make it clear that you are going to apologize and change your
>> > actions on IBN, I don't think Irish birders should have anything to do
>> with
>> > you nor tolerate you in their presence - physically or electronically.
>> >
>> > Finally, I know many IBN'ers have ignored this issue in the past, as
>> indeed
>> > I have often done. However, it would be good if those of you still here
>> (I
>> > wonder how many members signed off because of these posts by Owen??)
>> could
>> > discuss how this issue could be resolved.
>> >
>> > John C
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Dermot McCabe
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> It's time this topic was closed. Publication of private emails is
>> >> distresssing.
>> >> Dermot.
>> >>
>> >> On 2 February 2010 13:52, Eamonn wrote:
>> >> > You have Waaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy too much time on your hands.
>> >> >
>> >> > Wouldn't bother past the first line and doubt many others will
> either.
>> >> >
>> >> > Go birding. Much better way to waste time.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Bob
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>
############################################################################
>> > #########
>> >> > This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and
>> cleared
>> >> > by MailMarshal
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>
############################################################################
>> > #########
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of
people
>> > very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
>> > - Douglas Adams
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of
>> people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
>> - Douglas Adams
>>
>
>
>
> --
> In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people
> very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
> - Douglas Adams
>
--
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of
people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
- Douglas Adams
Subject: Re: Owen
From: Phil Davis <phildavis AT IOL.IE>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 20:09:06 +0000
Hi John, while I don't want to start another row, I have to strongly
disagree with you! The IBN is the Irish BIRD Net and the IRBC is the Irish
rare BIRD committee, therefore it is quite valid to discuss this on this
forum.
Phil.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Coveney Birds"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: Owen
> Owen
>
> Again I welcome your response. In my response to you, I am going to try to
> narrow things to what, in my opinion, is relevant to IBN, i.e. point 4
> below. I hope to end my involvement in this thread in one or two more
> postings, at most.
>
> 1. I accept your right to deal with your own blog as you see fit and I
> don't
> propose to deal further with it here.
>
> 2. Based on what I can remember of their posts, their brief existence on
> IBN, and your Facebook argument, I am inclined to accept that Yarislav and
> his like are fakes and if they are Irish birders, my views on their
> actions
> on IBN would be similar to the views I expressed in my post of 2 Feb (I
> say
> inclined because I don't have the technical knowledge to verify this for
> myself).
>
> 3. I accept your right, as I would for anyone, to defend yourself, and to
> use publicly available information to do so (but see my next point).
> However, in relation to your issue with the IRBC, I am strongly of the
> view
> that you and everyone else should not deal with it in future on IBN - so I
> am not commenting further on it here.
>
> 4. You have not responded to my point about how you know what Google
> searches Irish birders are doing - it seems a reasonable assumption that
> the
> search that you posted details of, was done by an Irish birder. If you
> don't
> know who the IP address belongs to, why would you be monitoring it? I
> continue to await clarification on this issue because I strongly believe
> that, just because you may be able to do it, it would become completely
> unacceptable to monitor all of someone's internet traffic.
>
> John C
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
>>Owen
> Foley
> Sent: 03 February 2010 11:57
> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
> Subject: Re: Owen
>
> John,
>
> I did not post a name, no, I have no means of tracing an IP address to an
> individual without spending years training to become a master hacker. I
> also
> have no means to monitor activity on anything BUT my own blog. The
> information on traffic in and out of my own personal web space is akin to
> knowing who is entering in and out one's own home and what entrance they
> use and is, obviously, mine to do with what I wish.
> The IP address of anyone posting to a forum such as the IBN, is
> information
> which is in the public domain and freely obtainable.
>
> I have the right, surely, to exercise whatever investigative abilities and
> tools I have to clear my name ?
> The information I posted was relevent, as in the past, some members of the
> IBN had suggested that the "yarislav" incident was down to paranoia on
> Roberts and My part, and that there was a possibility that there was a
> real
> Slovenian birder out there simply requesting information, co-incidentally
> on
> 2 barred crossbill.
>
> As facebook works only on an "accepted friend" basis, i.e. only someone
> you
> have accepted as a friend can view your updates and homepage, then the
> fact
> that this person accessed my blog via a link on my and Harry's homepage,
> means that he is a facebook "friend" of either mine or Harry's. As neither
> of us has a friend named Yarislav Crez or chez or however he is spelling
> the
> name between postings, then the matter is now settled and proven.
>
> "Yarislav" was a member of the birding community who maliciously and
> deliberately set out to smear both myself and Roberts name and record.
>
> The IRBC, at the time of writing to me, stated their decision was based on
> faith and an apparent lack of it in my standards. (Though no one present
> at
> the forum, bar Eric, has ever birded with me and was in no position to
> know
> of them)
>
> I would put it to them, and the wider community, What is the relevance of
> faith, when it is so easily manipulated and shaped by those who can
> conduct
> a smear campaign from the safety of anonymity?
>
> It is a valid question.
>
> Owen
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:36 AM, John Coveney Birds
> wrote:
>
>> Owen,
>>
>> Your response to my posting was welcome. It would be great if it means
>> the
>> end of this issue on the IBN, from everyone, and if we can get back to a
>> reasonably normal service i.e. birding in Ireland, including
> constructively
>> critical comments on bird-ID, the usual off-topic items that have at
>> least
>> a
>> passing relationship to Irish birding, as well as a bit of normal crack.
>>
>> It was a great pity that an IRBC announcement that was, as I understand
> it,
>> universally welcome, became a thread where these issues were discussed
>> yet
>> again. In future, I would strongly suggest that any discussion of IRBC on
>> IBN should, in addition to factual announcements:-
>> (i) be strictly limited to issues and not deal with individuals.
>> (ii) deal only with what IRBC should do in the future.
>> People with any other issues with IRBC and those who support or disagree
>> with those people, should discuss them with IRBC or privately as
>> appropriate.
>>
>> I remain greatly concerned about the internet monitoring - not about your
>> own blog (I don't know enough about blogs to comment on whether it is
>> appropriate to monitor individual visits - if that's what you do - as
>> opposed to the amount of traffic you get). My concern relates to this IBN
>> posting:-
>>
>> "Subject: Re: IRBC Announcement
>> From: Owen Foley
>> ...
>> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:28:46 +0000"
>>
>> where you stated (with my edits as I don't want to repeat material that
>> should not have been posted)
>>
>> "For example, this . . . individual, who at a time of . . . (. . .), went
>> searching google for the adjoined
>> terms "Owen Foley" and "Goshawks", "
>>
>> You went on to paste in an IP address and associated "computerese" about
>> this search.
>>
>> I would appreciate clarification on this issue, particularly in relation
> to
>> whether you actually identified the individual concerned (please DO NOT
>> POST
>> A NAME or any other details if you know them, nor any information on how
>> this monitoring is done). More importantly, you need to undertake that
>> you
>> will not monitor or attempt to monitor birders' internet activities
>> beyond
>> what is appropriate to you own blog and similar items.
>>
>> Thanks, John C
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
>> Owen
>> Foley
>> Sent: 02 February 2010 16:51
>> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
>> Subject: Re: Owen
>>
>> John,
>>
>> You and others are right. This email was in poor taste. A groggy,
>> frustrated and overly harsh response to peters mails and i should not
>> have taken this tact.
>>
>> I sincerely apologise, not only to peter, but all members of the ibn.
>>
>> However, i hope it is not to be forgotten that, at the time of the
>> woodpecker fireworks display, it was I, who it was suggested was
>> rabblerousing behind the scenes. I took the blame for that.
>>
>> As for monitoring internet activity, I am perfectly within my rights
>> to monitor traffic on my own blog, as millions of people do around the
>> world.
>>
>> Again, apologies for my earlier mail. It will not happen again.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>>
>> On 2/2/10, John Coveney Birds wrote:
>> > Owen,
>> >
>> > It's time for you stop these posts, apologize and undertake not do so
>> again
>> > -
>> >
>> > OR
>> >
>> > for you to sign out of IBN - NOW!
>> >
>> > Whatever wrong was done to you was not done by IBN and does not, in any
>> way,
>> > justify the posts you make to IBN. It also is completely objectionable
>> for
>> > you to:-
>> > a) publish private emails;
>> > b) be monitoring other people's internet activity.
>> >
>> > Unfortunately, you are well aware that IBN is essentially un-moderated.
>> If
>> > you won't heed this and other similar postings asking you to change
>> > your
>> > behavior on IBN, I suggest that birders withdraw from IBN and set up an
>> > alternative moderated list.
>> >
>> > Additionally, while you continue to post your vile and abusive rants
>> against
>> > IBn'ers, you stand in the middle of groups of Irish birders at twitches
>> when
>> > everyone is helping each other get onto a bird. If I encounter you at
>> > a
>> > twitch in future, I will ask you to move out of earshot of the group.
>> > If
>> you
>> > won't, I will stand in front of your scope for a while to demonstrate,
> in
>> a
>> > peaceful manner, my disgust at your actions. I would encourage others
>> > to
>> do
>> > the same in an equally peaceful manner.
>> >
>> > Until you make it clear that you are going to apologize and change your
>> > actions on IBN, I don't think Irish birders should have anything to do
>> with
>> > you nor tolerate you in their presence - physically or electronically.
>> >
>> > Finally, I know many IBN'ers have ignored this issue in the past, as
>> indeed
>> > I have often done. However, it would be good if those of you still here
>> (I
>> > wonder how many members signed off because of these posts by Owen??)
>> could
>> > discuss how this issue could be resolved.
>> >
>> > John C
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Dermot McCabe
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> It's time this topic was closed. Publication of private emails is
>> >> distresssing.
>> >> Dermot.
>> >>
>> >> On 2 February 2010 13:52, Eamonn wrote:
>> >> > You have Waaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy too much time on your hands.
>> >> >
>> >> > Wouldn't bother past the first line and doubt many others will
> either.
>> >> >
>> >> > Go birding. Much better way to waste time.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Bob
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
> ############################################################################
>> > #########
>> >> > This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and
>> cleared
>> >> > by MailMarshal
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
> ############################################################################
>> > #########
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of
>> > people
>> > very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
>> > - Douglas Adams
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of
>> people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
>> - Douglas Adams
>>
>
>
>
> --
> In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people
> very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
> - Douglas Adams
>
Subject: Re: Site Information for Counties Galway, Mayo and Sligo
From: Harry Hussey <hhussey3 AT YAHOO.COM>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 20:08:50 +0000
Hi Lee,
Are you going to look for the Pacific Diver while you're at it? Didn't see
that
mentioned in your list of wanted birds. Needless to say, many people would
like if you pinned THAT down...
Regards,
Harry
Subject: Site Information for Counties Galway, Mayo and Sligo
From: SUBSCRIBE IBN-L Lee G R Evans <LGREUK400 AT AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:45:14 EST
As I stated previously, I shall be birding in Ireland from Saturday through
to Monday. My target birds will be Thayer's Gull, Forster's Tern, Sandwich
Tern, North American Herring Gull, Ring-billed Gull, Iceland Gull, North
American Black Duck, American Green-winged Teal and Ring-necked Duck, but I
would also like to see Greenland White-fronted Goose, vagrant Canada Geese,
Twite, Chough and Irish Dipper.
I would be most grateful for any useful hints in locating these species,
particularly the commoner birds.
Where is the most reliable site for GWF Goose? Where has anyone seen a
flock in recent weeks?
Are there any reliable sites for Twite away from Raghly?
Can you still find Irish Dipper on the river just north of Nimmo's in
Galway City?
Any information, most gratefully received
Very best wishes
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Subject: Re: Owen
From: Owen Foley <pariah.owen AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 19:32:26 +0000
John,
In relation to your 4th point.
I am not, and for that matter CAN NOT, monitor google searches.
Anyone who owns any website can monitor the traffic on their site.
This includes information such as the IP address, their entrance path
(the link clicked to bring the visitor to the site), links clicked
within the site (content usage), and the exit path (link clicked to
leave the site). In this case, the visitor accessed my site via a link
produced via a google search, the information on which is recorded
automatically in the link itself (the way to look at it is, even
though the link you look at from a google search may say terrys
chocolate orange, the computer still sees it as a result for the terms
"terry" and "chocolate" and includes it in the link info). In other
words Im not monitoring anyone, they came to me...Im simply able to
see the footprints they leave behind.
Doing so probably pre-empted yet another tirade against ten year old
sightings of goshawk which never got submitted in the first place.
Owen
On 2/4/10, John Coveney Birds wrote:
> Owen
>
> Again I welcome your response. In my response to you, I am going to try to
> narrow things to what, in my opinion, is relevant to IBN, i.e. point 4
> below. I hope to end my involvement in this thread in one or two more
> postings, at most.
>
> 1. I accept your right to deal with your own blog as you see fit and I don't
> propose to deal further with it here.
>
> 2. Based on what I can remember of their posts, their brief existence on
> IBN, and your Facebook argument, I am inclined to accept that Yarislav and
> his like are fakes and if they are Irish birders, my views on their actions
> on IBN would be similar to the views I expressed in my post of 2 Feb (I say
> inclined because I don't have the technical knowledge to verify this for
> myself).
>
> 3. I accept your right, as I would for anyone, to defend yourself, and to
> use publicly available information to do so (but see my next point).
> However, in relation to your issue with the IRBC, I am strongly of the view
> that you and everyone else should not deal with it in future on IBN - so I
> am not commenting further on it here.
>
> 4. You have not responded to my point about how you know what Google
> searches Irish birders are doing - it seems a reasonable assumption that the
> search that you posted details of, was done by an Irish birder. If you don't
> know who the IP address belongs to, why would you be monitoring it? I
> continue to await clarification on this issue because I strongly believe
> that, just because you may be able to do it, it would become completely
> unacceptable to monitor all of someone's internet traffic.
>
> John C
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of Owen
> Foley
> Sent: 03 February 2010 11:57
> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
> Subject: Re: Owen
>
> John,
>
> I did not post a name, no, I have no means of tracing an IP address to an
> individual without spending years training to become a master hacker. I also
> have no means to monitor activity on anything BUT my own blog. The
> information on traffic in and out of my own personal web space is akin to
> knowing who is entering in and out one's own home and what entrance they
> use and is, obviously, mine to do with what I wish.
> The IP address of anyone posting to a forum such as the IBN, is information
> which is in the public domain and freely obtainable.
>
> I have the right, surely, to exercise whatever investigative abilities and
> tools I have to clear my name ?
> The information I posted was relevent, as in the past, some members of the
> IBN had suggested that the "yarislav" incident was down to paranoia on
> Roberts and My part, and that there was a possibility that there was a real
> Slovenian birder out there simply requesting information, co-incidentally on
> 2 barred crossbill.
>
> As facebook works only on an "accepted friend" basis, i.e. only someone you
> have accepted as a friend can view your updates and homepage, then the fact
> that this person accessed my blog via a link on my and Harry's homepage,
> means that he is a facebook "friend" of either mine or Harry's. As neither
> of us has a friend named Yarislav Crez or chez or however he is spelling the
> name between postings, then the matter is now settled and proven.
>
> "Yarislav" was a member of the birding community who maliciously and
> deliberately set out to smear both myself and Roberts name and record.
>
> The IRBC, at the time of writing to me, stated their decision was based on
> faith and an apparent lack of it in my standards. (Though no one present at
> the forum, bar Eric, has ever birded with me and was in no position to know
> of them)
>
> I would put it to them, and the wider community, What is the relevance of
> faith, when it is so easily manipulated and shaped by those who can conduct
> a smear campaign from the safety of anonymity?
>
> It is a valid question.
>
> Owen
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:36 AM, John Coveney Birds
> wrote:
>
>> Owen,
>>
>> Your response to my posting was welcome. It would be great if it means the
>> end of this issue on the IBN, from everyone, and if we can get back to a
>> reasonably normal service i.e. birding in Ireland, including
> constructively
>> critical comments on bird-ID, the usual off-topic items that have at least
>> a
>> passing relationship to Irish birding, as well as a bit of normal crack.
>>
>> It was a great pity that an IRBC announcement that was, as I understand
> it,
>> universally welcome, became a thread where these issues were discussed yet
>> again. In future, I would strongly suggest that any discussion of IRBC on
>> IBN should, in addition to factual announcements:-
>> (i) be strictly limited to issues and not deal with individuals.
>> (ii) deal only with what IRBC should do in the future.
>> People with any other issues with IRBC and those who support or disagree
>> with those people, should discuss them with IRBC or privately as
>> appropriate.
>>
>> I remain greatly concerned about the internet monitoring - not about your
>> own blog (I don't know enough about blogs to comment on whether it is
>> appropriate to monitor individual visits - if that's what you do - as
>> opposed to the amount of traffic you get). My concern relates to this IBN
>> posting:-
>>
>> "Subject: Re: IRBC Announcement
>> From: Owen Foley
>> ...
>> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:28:46 +0000"
>>
>> where you stated (with my edits as I don't want to repeat material that
>> should not have been posted)
>>
>> "For example, this . . . individual, who at a time of . . . (. . .), went
>> searching google for the adjoined
>> terms "Owen Foley" and "Goshawks", "
>>
>> You went on to paste in an IP address and associated "computerese" about
>> this search.
>>
>> I would appreciate clarification on this issue, particularly in relation
> to
>> whether you actually identified the individual concerned (please DO NOT
>> POST
>> A NAME or any other details if you know them, nor any information on how
>> this monitoring is done). More importantly, you need to undertake that you
>> will not monitor or attempt to monitor birders' internet activities beyond
>> what is appropriate to you own blog and similar items.
>>
>> Thanks, John C
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
>> Owen
>> Foley
>> Sent: 02 February 2010 16:51
>> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
>> Subject: Re: Owen
>>
>> John,
>>
>> You and others are right. This email was in poor taste. A groggy,
>> frustrated and overly harsh response to peters mails and i should not
>> have taken this tact.
>>
>> I sincerely apologise, not only to peter, but all members of the ibn.
>>
>> However, i hope it is not to be forgotten that, at the time of the
>> woodpecker fireworks display, it was I, who it was suggested was
>> rabblerousing behind the scenes. I took the blame for that.
>>
>> As for monitoring internet activity, I am perfectly within my rights
>> to monitor traffic on my own blog, as millions of people do around the
>> world.
>>
>> Again, apologies for my earlier mail. It will not happen again.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>>
>> On 2/2/10, John Coveney Birds wrote:
>> > Owen,
>> >
>> > It's time for you stop these posts, apologize and undertake not do so
>> again
>> > -
>> >
>> > OR
>> >
>> > for you to sign out of IBN - NOW!
>> >
>> > Whatever wrong was done to you was not done by IBN and does not, in any
>> way,
>> > justify the posts you make to IBN. It also is completely objectionable
>> for
>> > you to:-
>> > a) publish private emails;
>> > b) be monitoring other people's internet activity.
>> >
>> > Unfortunately, you are well aware that IBN is essentially un-moderated.
>> If
>> > you won't heed this and other similar postings asking you to change your
>> > behavior on IBN, I suggest that birders withdraw from IBN and set up an
>> > alternative moderated list.
>> >
>> > Additionally, while you continue to post your vile and abusive rants
>> against
>> > IBn'ers, you stand in the middle of groups of Irish birders at twitches
>> when
>> > everyone is helping each other get onto a bird. If I encounter you at a
>> > twitch in future, I will ask you to move out of earshot of the group. If
>> you
>> > won't, I will stand in front of your scope for a while to demonstrate,
> in
>> a
>> > peaceful manner, my disgust at your actions. I would encourage others to
>> do
>> > the same in an equally peaceful manner.
>> >
>> > Until you make it clear that you are going to apologize and change your
>> > actions on IBN, I don't think Irish birders should have anything to do
>> with
>> > you nor tolerate you in their presence - physically or electronically.
>> >
>> > Finally, I know many IBN'ers have ignored this issue in the past, as
>> indeed
>> > I have often done. However, it would be good if those of you still here
>> (I
>> > wonder how many members signed off because of these posts by Owen??)
>> could
>> > discuss how this issue could be resolved.
>> >
>> > John C
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Dermot McCabe
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> It's time this topic was closed. Publication of private emails is
>> >> distresssing.
>> >> Dermot.
>> >>
>> >> On 2 February 2010 13:52, Eamonn wrote:
>> >> > You have Waaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy too much time on your hands.
>> >> >
>> >> > Wouldn't bother past the first line and doubt many others will
> either.
>> >> >
>> >> > Go birding. Much better way to waste time.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Bob
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
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>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people
>> > very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
>> > - Douglas Adams
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of
>> people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
>> - Douglas Adams
>>
>
>
>
> --
> In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people
> very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
> - Douglas Adams
>
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Subject: Re: Owen
From: John Coveney Birds <birds AT ECOVENEY.IE>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 18:44:21 -0000
Owen
Again I welcome your response. In my response to you, I am going to try to
narrow things to what, in my opinion, is relevant to IBN, i.e. point 4
below. I hope to end my involvement in this thread in one or two more
postings, at most.
1. I accept your right to deal with your own blog as you see fit and I don't
propose to deal further with it here.
2. Based on what I can remember of their posts, their brief existence on
IBN, and your Facebook argument, I am inclined to accept that Yarislav and
his like are fakes and if they are Irish birders, my views on their actions
on IBN would be similar to the views I expressed in my post of 2 Feb (I say
inclined because I don't have the technical knowledge to verify this for
myself).
3. I accept your right, as I would for anyone, to defend yourself, and to
use publicly available information to do so (but see my next point).
However, in relation to your issue with the IRBC, I am strongly of the view
that you and everyone else should not deal with it in future on IBN - so I
am not commenting further on it here.
4. You have not responded to my point about how you know what Google
searches Irish birders are doing - it seems a reasonable assumption that the
search that you posted details of, was done by an Irish birder. If you don't
know who the IP address belongs to, why would you be monitoring it? I
continue to await clarification on this issue because I strongly believe
that, just because you may be able to do it, it would become completely
unacceptable to monitor all of someone's internet traffic.
John C
-----Original Message-----
From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of Owen
Foley
Sent: 03 February 2010 11:57
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: Owen
John,
I did not post a name, no, I have no means of tracing an IP address to an
individual without spending years training to become a master hacker. I also
have no means to monitor activity on anything BUT my own blog. The
information on traffic in and out of my own personal web space is akin to
knowing who is entering in and out one's own home and what entrance they
use and is, obviously, mine to do with what I wish.
The IP address of anyone posting to a forum such as the IBN, is information
which is in the public domain and freely obtainable.
I have the right, surely, to exercise whatever investigative abilities and
tools I have to clear my name ?
The information I posted was relevent, as in the past, some members of the
IBN had suggested that the "yarislav" incident was down to paranoia on
Roberts and My part, and that there was a possibility that there was a real
Slovenian birder out there simply requesting information, co-incidentally on
2 barred crossbill.
As facebook works only on an "accepted friend" basis, i.e. only someone you
have accepted as a friend can view your updates and homepage, then the fact
that this person accessed my blog via a link on my and Harry's homepage,
means that he is a facebook "friend" of either mine or Harry's. As neither
of us has a friend named Yarislav Crez or chez or however he is spelling the
name between postings, then the matter is now settled and proven.
"Yarislav" was a member of the birding community who maliciously and
deliberately set out to smear both myself and Roberts name and record.
The IRBC, at the time of writing to me, stated their decision was based on
faith and an apparent lack of it in my standards. (Though no one present at
the forum, bar Eric, has ever birded with me and was in no position to know
of them)
I would put it to them, and the wider community, What is the relevance of
faith, when it is so easily manipulated and shaped by those who can conduct
a smear campaign from the safety of anonymity?
It is a valid question.
Owen
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:36 AM, John Coveney Birds
wrote:
> Owen,
>
> Your response to my posting was welcome. It would be great if it means the
> end of this issue on the IBN, from everyone, and if we can get back to a
> reasonably normal service i.e. birding in Ireland, including
constructively
> critical comments on bird-ID, the usual off-topic items that have at least
> a
> passing relationship to Irish birding, as well as a bit of normal crack.
>
> It was a great pity that an IRBC announcement that was, as I understand
it,
> universally welcome, became a thread where these issues were discussed yet
> again. In future, I would strongly suggest that any discussion of IRBC on
> IBN should, in addition to factual announcements:-
> (i) be strictly limited to issues and not deal with individuals.
> (ii) deal only with what IRBC should do in the future.
> People with any other issues with IRBC and those who support or disagree
> with those people, should discuss them with IRBC or privately as
> appropriate.
>
> I remain greatly concerned about the internet monitoring - not about your
> own blog (I don't know enough about blogs to comment on whether it is
> appropriate to monitor individual visits - if that's what you do - as
> opposed to the amount of traffic you get). My concern relates to this IBN
> posting:-
>
> "Subject: Re: IRBC Announcement
> From: Owen Foley
> ...
> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:28:46 +0000"
>
> where you stated (with my edits as I don't want to repeat material that
> should not have been posted)
>
> "For example, this . . . individual, who at a time of . . . (. . .), went
> searching google for the adjoined
> terms "Owen Foley" and "Goshawks", "
>
> You went on to paste in an IP address and associated "computerese" about
> this search.
>
> I would appreciate clarification on this issue, particularly in relation
to
> whether you actually identified the individual concerned (please DO NOT
> POST
> A NAME or any other details if you know them, nor any information on how
> this monitoring is done). More importantly, you need to undertake that you
> will not monitor or attempt to monitor birders' internet activities beyond
> what is appropriate to you own blog and similar items.
>
> Thanks, John C
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
> Owen
> Foley
> Sent: 02 February 2010 16:51
> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
> Subject: Re: Owen
>
> John,
>
> You and others are right. This email was in poor taste. A groggy,
> frustrated and overly harsh response to peters mails and i should not
> have taken this tact.
>
> I sincerely apologise, not only to peter, but all members of the ibn.
>
> However, i hope it is not to be forgotten that, at the time of the
> woodpecker fireworks display, it was I, who it was suggested was
> rabblerousing behind the scenes. I took the blame for that.
>
> As for monitoring internet activity, I am perfectly within my rights
> to monitor traffic on my own blog, as millions of people do around the
> world.
>
> Again, apologies for my earlier mail. It will not happen again.
>
> Owen
>
>
> On 2/2/10, John Coveney Birds wrote:
> > Owen,
> >
> > It's time for you stop these posts, apologize and undertake not do so
> again
> > -
> >
> > OR
> >
> > for you to sign out of IBN - NOW!
> >
> > Whatever wrong was done to you was not done by IBN and does not, in any
> way,
> > justify the posts you make to IBN. It also is completely objectionable
> for
> > you to:-
> > a) publish private emails;
> > b) be monitoring other people's internet activity.
> >
> > Unfortunately, you are well aware that IBN is essentially un-moderated.
> If
> > you won't heed this and other similar postings asking you to change your
> > behavior on IBN, I suggest that birders withdraw from IBN and set up an
> > alternative moderated list.
> >
> > Additionally, while you continue to post your vile and abusive rants
> against
> > IBn'ers, you stand in the middle of groups of Irish birders at twitches
> when
> > everyone is helping each other get onto a bird. If I encounter you at a
> > twitch in future, I will ask you to move out of earshot of the group. If
> you
> > won't, I will stand in front of your scope for a while to demonstrate,
in
> a
> > peaceful manner, my disgust at your actions. I would encourage others to
> do
> > the same in an equally peaceful manner.
> >
> > Until you make it clear that you are going to apologize and change your
> > actions on IBN, I don't think Irish birders should have anything to do
> with
> > you nor tolerate you in their presence - physically or electronically.
> >
> > Finally, I know many IBN'ers have ignored this issue in the past, as
> indeed
> > I have often done. However, it would be good if those of you still here
> (I
> > wonder how many members signed off because of these posts by Owen??)
> could
> > discuss how this issue could be resolved.
> >
> > John C
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Dermot McCabe
> > wrote:
> >
> >> It's time this topic was closed. Publication of private emails is
> >> distresssing.
> >> Dermot.
> >>
> >> On 2 February 2010 13:52, Eamonn wrote:
> >> > You have Waaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy too much time on your hands.
> >> >
> >> > Wouldn't bother past the first line and doubt many others will
either.
> >> >
> >> > Go birding. Much better way to waste time.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Bob
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
>
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> >> > by MailMarshal
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
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> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people
> > very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
> > - Douglas Adams
> >
>
>
> --
> In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of
> people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
> - Douglas Adams
>
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very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
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Subject: Re: Thayer's video and pics
From: Dermot Breen <breen.dermot AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 17:43:12 +0000
Hi Sean
Great shot of the open wing. Only had a blury record shot of the open wing.
Don't think any others got any better shots due to it habit of keeping out
to the fish cages. Micheal Cassey had it briefly on the beach this
evening. Rossaveel dead this evening. I've had a single Iceland and a Med
there this whole winter - complete disaster. Worse winter for white-wings
I've seen in my ten years on and off here. Appears to be very little
fishing going on this winter. Damn you to hell EU Landfill Directive!
No luck with the diver afterwards Sean? Hope to look on Saturday, weather to
calm down a bit then.
Thanks to all the good wishes over the last week or so btw.
Dermot
On 4 February 2010 08:39, Derek Charles wrote:
> Thanks Sean.
> Love the video.
>
> all the best
>
> derek
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Irish Bird Network on behalf of Sean Cronin
> Sent: Thu 04/02/2010 08:38
> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
> Subject: Re: Thayer's video and pics
>
>
>
> Hi Derek
>
>
>
> I was there for maybe 90 mins yesterday morning. Of that it spent maybe the
> first 15 mins on the beach and then disappeared for half an hour, probably
> out to the cages but I couldn't see it. It then returned and spent maybe 45
> mins sitting in the water about 10m offshore with black headed gulls. Just
> where the small stream enters the sea.
>
> Unfortunately I only thought of using bread shortly before I left. At that
> stage my sandwiches were well gone.
>
>
>
> All the best
>
>
>
> Sean
>
> > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 08:15:56 +0000
> > From: Derek AT METSTEEL.CO.UK
> > Subject: Re: Thayer's video and pics
> > To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
> >
> > Hi Sean,
> > very very nice pics, certainly the best i have seen so far.
> >
> > How long was the gull on the beach/shore for? Did you attempt to attract
> it with bread? It appears to spend most of the time off-shore on the cages,
> hopefully it will get into a routine of coming a bit closer!
> >
> > thanks
> >
> >
> > derek
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: Irish Bird Network on behalf of Sean Cronin
> > Sent: Wed 03/02/2010 23:48
> > To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
> > Subject: Thayer's video and pics
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> >
> >
> > For anyone interested, I've uploaded a clip of the Galway Thayer's here
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T03u2rGg_F8
> >
> > and some photos here http://www.flickr.com/photos/sean_cronin/
> >
> >
> >
> > All the best
> >
> >
> >
> > Sean
> >
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Subject: Behaviour
From: Peter Flynn <pflynn AT UCC.IE>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 17:29:56 +0000
A number of members have reported serious breaches of list etiquette to
me. The offenders presumably know who they are, and I ask them to stop
now, and behave acceptably. If the offenders do not understand who they
are, and they repeat the behaviour, they will be removed from the list
without further notice.
I should remind all members that they can always contact the owner[s] of
a list by prefixing the list address with "owner-", eg
owner-ibn-l AT listserv.heanet.ie
///Peter Flynn
UCC Webmaster
List Owner, IBN-L
Subject: Re: Odd Gull
From: Dermot McCabe <dermot.mccabe AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:32:49 +0000
Mo grá thú a Neil!
Diarmud Mac Cába
On 4 February 2010 14:14, Neil Sharkey wrote:
> For 'fada' press Alt Gr key and the letter to be 'fafád' to togerher as in:
> Micheál
>
> Neil Sharkey
> Ellagh, Headford,
> Co Galway
> 093 36584 & 086 1680856
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dermot McCabe"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:47 AM
> Subject: Re: Odd Gull
>
>
> Howdy Michea(fada)l,
> One day I'll find out where the accents are hiding! I got a link to
> Eoin and he's given me some info including a chick with leucistic
> traits ringed on Lough Mask. Unfortunately I didn't get the number.
> I'll try again today. It looks the same scheme as your Sligo pics.
> I'll keep you informed.
> All the best,
> Dermot.
>
> 2010/2/3 Mícheál Casey :
>>
>> Hi Dermot,
>>
>> Greetings amigo!
>>
>> Eoin McGreal has been ringing Black-headed Gulls with that combination for
>> several years. These chicks have been ringed on an island on Lough Mask, Co.
>> Mayo, and I expect an east coast record may be a first for that ringing
>> scheme. The yellow Darvic ring he is using on the left leg is quite a rich
>> tone, in fact you can see a couple of the birds here
>> http://www.sligobirding.com/RingReading2010.html
>>
>> I will pass on your e-mail to him - did you manage to read the number?
>>
>> Mícheál
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3 Feb 2010, at 18:50, Dermot McCabe wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>> I was driving home through the Phoenix Park today at 15.30.
>>> Approaching the roundabout at Mountjoy Corner on the main road a
>>> Black-headed Gull dipped down to pick up
>>> something from the road. A second bird flew near and I thought I was
>>> looking at the Med Gull reported on Joe's site the other day.
>>> It landed on the grass and I was able to observe it briefly. It looked
>>> structurally like BHG, all orange bill, bright orange legs,
>>> suggestion of a smudge behind the eye and no eye crescents, all white
>>> wings.. I imagine it was an albinistic BHG. It had a yellow-orange
>>> numbered ring on its left leg and a metal one on the right.
>>> Does anybody know if this is enought to trace the ringer? If ringed as
>>> a chick would the albinism be apparent?
>>> Dermot.
>>
>
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Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
From: Michael <michael AT COLLIERKITCHENS.IE>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:25:03 -0000
That would be "Jim's" job!
Regards,
Michael.
-----Original Message-----
From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of Owen
Foley
Sent: 04 February 2010 14:15
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
Dont you mean "gist" as opposed to jist? ;)
Sorry. Sorry.
Jims job.
Owen
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Seamus Feeney wrote:
> Don't dwell on the meaning Jim, it's not important. I'm sure everyone else
> got the jist of it.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Fitzharris, Jim"
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:50 AM
>
> To:
> Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
>
> What's a pen pal ??!!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
>> Seamus Feeney
>> Sent: 04 February 2010 11:48
>> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
>> Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
>>
>> Jim.
>>
>> I imagine your pen pals didn't last long. ;-)
>>
>> Séamus.
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Fitzharris, Jim"
>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:35 AM
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
>>
>> Great: what's my redundancy package?
>>>
>>> For those who wonder what makes grammar Nazis tick, try to get hold of
>>> "Eats, shoots and leaves" by Lynne Truss. Incidentally while we use
>>> the word grammar, in this case it extends to syntax and punctuation.
>>>
>>> Look at the following phrase - it assumes that a guy called Perry owns
>>> some Peregrines (abbreviated to Perry (singular)) who in turn have
>>> proprietary rights over some pigeons:-
>>>
>>> Perry's distraught to see the remains of Perry's Perrys' pigeons.
>>>
>>> 1st Perry's = Perry is
>>> 2nd Perry's = possessive singular
>>> Perrys' = possessive plural.
>>>
>>> Auf wiederhoren,
>>>
>>> Jim.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf
>>> Of Owen Foley
>>> Sent: 04 February 2010 11:17
>>> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
>>> Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
>>>
>>> Dermot...you are putting Jim out of business here!
>>>
>>> Owen
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Dermot McCabe
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Breffni,
>>>> Lorraine Benson has regular reports on Tolka website of Peregrine
>>>> plucking posts on the Central Bank.
>>>> www.dublinbirding.ie.
>>>> Owen, if you MUST use apostrophes do it correctly. "Perry's" means
>>>> belonging to Perry.
>>>> I don't want to have to tell you again!
>>>> Dermot.
>>>>
>>>> On 4 February 2010 10:47, Owen Foley wrote:
>>>> > Hi Breffni,
>>>> >
>>>> > Perry's have been breeding in Dublin for many years now, with them
>>>> > first having been detected on the old and now non existent gas
>>>> > storage unit in
>>>> the
>>>> > docklands.
>>>> >
>>>> > They occaisionally move around the city to new venues, the safest
>>>> > of
>>>> which
>>>> > was the four courts, where they were protected by the already
>>>> > stringent level of security.
>>>> >
>>>> > I dont know about dismembered pigeons, however once whilst walking
>>>> through
>>>> > Trinity college I did notice some feathers raining down from on
>>>> > high, and looked up to see a Peregrine making off with a freshly
>>>>
>>> killed gutterbird.
>>>
>>>> No
>>>> > doubt this spectacle takes place daily over the heads of Dublins
>>>> > work
>>>> force
>>>> > without ever being noticed by the throng.
>>>> >
>>>> > Owen
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Breffni Martin
>>>> >>>> >wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> According to that authority on ornithological matters last night,
>>>> >> the Vincent Brown show, there is a peregrine "nesting" on the
>>>> >> central bank building and the sidewalks are strewn with
>>>> >> dismembered
>>>>
>>>
>>> >> pigeons -
>>>> anything in
>>>> >> this?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Regards
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Breffni
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of
>>>> > people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
>>>> > - Douglas Adams
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
>>> - Douglas Adams
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Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
From: Owen Foley <pariah.owen AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:15:16 +0000
Dont you mean "gist" as opposed to jist? ;)
Sorry. Sorry.
Jims job.
Owen
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Seamus Feeney wrote:
> Don't dwell on the meaning Jim, it's not important. I'm sure everyone else
> got the jist of it.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Fitzharris, Jim"
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:50 AM
>
> To:
> Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
>
> What's a pen pal ??!!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
>> Seamus Feeney
>> Sent: 04 February 2010 11:48
>> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
>> Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
>>
>> Jim.
>>
>> I imagine your pen pals didn't last long. ;-)
>>
>> Séamus.
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Fitzharris, Jim"
>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:35 AM
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
>>
>> Great: what's my redundancy package?
>>>
>>> For those who wonder what makes grammar Nazis tick, try to get hold of
>>> "Eats, shoots and leaves" by Lynne Truss. Incidentally while we use
>>> the word grammar, in this case it extends to syntax and punctuation.
>>>
>>> Look at the following phrase - it assumes that a guy called Perry owns
>>> some Peregrines (abbreviated to Perry (singular)) who in turn have
>>> proprietary rights over some pigeons:-
>>>
>>> Perry's distraught to see the remains of Perry's Perrys' pigeons.
>>>
>>> 1st Perry's = Perry is
>>> 2nd Perry's = possessive singular
>>> Perrys' = possessive plural.
>>>
>>> Auf wiederhoren,
>>>
>>> Jim.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf
>>> Of Owen Foley
>>> Sent: 04 February 2010 11:17
>>> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
>>> Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
>>>
>>> Dermot...you are putting Jim out of business here!
>>>
>>> Owen
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Dermot McCabe
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Breffni,
>>>> Lorraine Benson has regular reports on Tolka website of Peregrine
>>>> plucking posts on the Central Bank.
>>>> www.dublinbirding.ie.
>>>> Owen, if you MUST use apostrophes do it correctly. "Perry's" means
>>>> belonging to Perry.
>>>> I don't want to have to tell you again!
>>>> Dermot.
>>>>
>>>> On 4 February 2010 10:47, Owen Foley wrote:
>>>> > Hi Breffni,
>>>> >
>>>> > Perry's have been breeding in Dublin for many years now, with them
>>>> > first having been detected on the old and now non existent gas
>>>> > storage unit in
>>>> the
>>>> > docklands.
>>>> >
>>>> > They occaisionally move around the city to new venues, the safest
>>>> > of
>>>> which
>>>> > was the four courts, where they were protected by the already
>>>> > stringent level of security.
>>>> >
>>>> > I dont know about dismembered pigeons, however once whilst walking
>>>> through
>>>> > Trinity college I did notice some feathers raining down from on
>>>> > high, and looked up to see a Peregrine making off with a freshly
>>>>
>>> killed gutterbird.
>>>
>>>> No
>>>> > doubt this spectacle takes place daily over the heads of Dublins
>>>> > work
>>>> force
>>>> > without ever being noticed by the throng.
>>>> >
>>>> > Owen
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Breffni Martin
>>>> >>>> >wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> According to that authority on ornithological matters last night,
>>>> >> the Vincent Brown show, there is a peregrine "nesting" on the
>>>> >> central bank building and the sidewalks are strewn with
>>>> >> dismembered
>>>>
>>>
>>> >> pigeons -
>>>> anything in
>>>> >> this?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Regards
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Breffni
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of
>>>> > people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
>>>> > - Douglas Adams
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of
>>> people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
>>> - Douglas Adams
>>>
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Subject: Re: Odd Gull
From: Neil Sharkey <neilsharkey AT EIRCOM.NET>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:14:01 -0000
For 'fada' press Alt Gr key and the letter to be 'fafád' to togerher as in:
Micheál
Neil Sharkey
Ellagh, Headford,
Co Galway
093 36584 & 086 1680856
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dermot McCabe"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: Odd Gull
Howdy Michea(fada)l,
One day I'll find out where the accents are hiding! I got a link to
Eoin and he's given me some info including a chick with leucistic
traits ringed on Lough Mask. Unfortunately I didn't get the number.
I'll try again today. It looks the same scheme as your Sligo pics.
I'll keep you informed.
All the best,
Dermot.
2010/2/3 Mícheál Casey :
> Hi Dermot,
>
> Greetings amigo!
>
> Eoin McGreal has been ringing Black-headed Gulls with that combination for
> several years. These chicks have been ringed on an island on Lough Mask,
> Co. Mayo, and I expect an east coast record may be a first for that
> ringing scheme. The yellow Darvic ring he is using on the left leg is
> quite a rich tone, in fact you can see a couple of the birds here
> http://www.sligobirding.com/RingReading2010.html
>
> I will pass on your e-mail to him - did you manage to read the number?
>
> Mícheál
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 3 Feb 2010, at 18:50, Dermot McCabe wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>> I was driving home through the Phoenix Park today at 15.30.
>> Approaching the roundabout at Mountjoy Corner on the main road a
>> Black-headed Gull dipped down to pick up
>> something from the road. A second bird flew near and I thought I was
>> looking at the Med Gull reported on Joe's site the other day.
>> It landed on the grass and I was able to observe it briefly. It looked
>> structurally like BHG, all orange bill, bright orange legs,
>> suggestion of a smudge behind the eye and no eye crescents, all white
>> wings.. I imagine it was an albinistic BHG. It had a yellow-orange
>> numbered ring on its left leg and a metal one on the right.
>> Does anybody know if this is enought to trace the ringer? If ringed as
>> a chick would the albinism be apparent?
>> Dermot.
>
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Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
From: irishbirdnews <irishbirdnews AT EIRCOM.NET>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 13:20:52 -0000
Thats a great one Jim.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fitzharris, Jim"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
Brilliant Eric!
My favourite "use of English" joke concerns a lecturer talking to his
class about the negative, etc.
He stated that, generally, the negative was the opposite of the
positive: "he ate the cake; he did not eat the cake" - clear enough.
He then went on to say that in English and many languages, the double
negative was effectively positive: "he did not not eat the cake" = "he
did eat the cake" - so far so good.
He continued by saying that in some languages (like Russian), the double
negative accentuates or emphasises the negative but does not reverse it.
Finally, he said, with a degree of self-important pomposity, that the
same rules did not apply to the positive and that in NO language did the
double positive ever have the effect of making it a negative.
There followed a few moments of silence when a voice from the back of
the class room piped up: "yeah, right" !!
Cheers,
Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
irishbirdnews
Sent: 04 February 2010 11:47
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
I have a headache reading that Jim!
I remember many years ago a teacher asking how we could get five
consecutive 'ands' in one sentence.
The answer is that a man had a sign made advertising that he sold bread
and jam. When the sign was presented to him it read as follows
'BREADANDJAM'.
The man contacted the sign writer and said that 'there should have been
a space between the bread and and, and and, and jam'.
try that one out on the spell check!
Eric
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fitzharris, Jim"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
Great: what's my redundancy package?
For those who wonder what makes grammar Nazis tick, try to get hold of
"Eats, shoots and leaves" by Lynne Truss. Incidentally while we use the
word grammar, in this case it extends to syntax and punctuation.
Look at the following phrase - it assumes that a guy called Perry owns
some Peregrines (abbreviated to Perry (singular)) who in turn have
proprietary rights over some pigeons:-
Perry's distraught to see the remains of Perry's Perrys' pigeons.
1st Perry's = Perry is
2nd Perry's = possessive singular
Perrys' = possessive plural.
Auf wiederhoren,
Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
Owen Foley
Sent: 04 February 2010 11:17
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
Dermot...you are putting Jim out of business here!
Owen
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Dermot McCabe
wrote:
> Hi Breffni,
> Lorraine Benson has regular reports on Tolka website of Peregrine
> plucking posts on the Central Bank.
> www.dublinbirding.ie.
> Owen, if you MUST use apostrophes do it correctly. "Perry's" means
> belonging to Perry.
> I don't want to have to tell you again!
> Dermot.
>
> On 4 February 2010 10:47, Owen Foley wrote:
> > Hi Breffni,
> >
> > Perry's have been breeding in Dublin for many years now, with them
> > first having been detected on the old and now non existent gas
> > storage unit in
> the
> > docklands.
> >
> > They occaisionally move around the city to new venues, the safest of
> which
> > was the four courts, where they were protected by the already
> > stringent level of security.
> >
> > I dont know about dismembered pigeons, however once whilst walking
> through
> > Trinity college I did notice some feathers raining down from on
> > high, and looked up to see a Peregrine making off with a freshly
killed gutterbird.
> No
> > doubt this spectacle takes place daily over the heads of Dublins
> > work
> force
> > without ever being noticed by the throng.
> >
> > Owen
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Breffni Martin
> > >wrote:
> >
> >> According to that authority on ornithological matters last night,
> >> the Vincent Brown show, there is a peregrine "nesting" on the
> >> central bank building and the sidewalks are strewn with dismembered
> >> pigeons -
> anything in
> >> this?
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Breffni
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of
> > people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
> > - Douglas Adams
> >
>
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Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
From: Breffni Martin <bmartin AT REGINTEL.COM>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:32:10 -0000
Well said Harry, indeed they have apparently extirpated peregrines from the
Cooley's and Mournes, though they can presumably not only read, but also
watch TV, even Vincent Brown...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harry Hussey"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [IBN-L] peregrine nesting on central bank building
Hi all,
Might I suggest, regardless of what may or may not have been broadcast in
the media (whose competence in all things bird-related can often be taken
with a pinch of salt anyway), that we refrain from listing any Peregrine
nest sites on here...contrary to what some of you may think, most pigeon
fanciers can read...
Regards,
Harry
--- On Thu, 4/2/10, Breffni Martin wrote:
From: Breffni Martin
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Date: Thursday, 4 February, 2010, 11:17
Thanks guys.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dermot McCabe"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [IBN-L] peregrine nesting on central bank building
> Hi Breffni,
> Lorraine Benson has regular reports on Tolka website of Peregrine
> plucking posts on the Central Bank.
> www.dublinbirding.ie
> Dermot.
>
> On 4 February 2010 10:47, Owen Foley wrote:
>> Hi Breffni,
>>
>> Perry's have been breeding in Dublin for many years now, with them first
>> having been detected on the old and now non existent gas storage unit in
>> the
>> docklands.
>>
>> They occaisionally move around the city to new venues, the safest of
>> which
>> was the four courts, where they were protected by the already stringent
>> level of security.
>>
>> I dont know about dismembered pigeons, however once whilst walking
>> through
>> Trinity college I did notice some feathers raining down from on high, and
>> looked up to see a Peregrine making off with a freshly killed gutterbird.
>> No
>> doubt this spectacle takes place daily over the heads of Dublins work
>> force
>> without ever being noticed by the throng.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Breffni Martin
>> wrote:
>>
>>> According to that authority on ornithological matters last night, the
>>> Vincent Brown show, there is a peregrine "nesting" on the central bank
>>> building and the sidewalks are strewn with dismembered pigeons -
>>> anything in
>>> this?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Breffni
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people
>> very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
>> - Douglas Adams
>>
>
>
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
From: Breffni Martin <bmartin AT REGINTEL.COM>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:29:47 -0000
Mark Twain, when informed that "sugar" was the only word in the English
language spelt SU but pronounced SH, replied "sure"...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fitzharris, Jim"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [IBN-L] peregrine nesting on central bank building
Brilliant Eric!
My favourite "use of English" joke concerns a lecturer talking to his
class about the negative, etc.
He stated that, generally, the negative was the opposite of the
positive: "he ate the cake; he did not eat the cake" - clear enough.
He then went on to say that in English and many languages, the double
negative was effectively positive: "he did not not eat the cake" = "he
did eat the cake" - so far so good.
He continued by saying that in some languages (like Russian), the double
negative accentuates or emphasises the negative but does not reverse it.
Finally, he said, with a degree of self-important pomposity, that the
same rules did not apply to the positive and that in NO language did the
double positive ever have the effect of making it a negative.
There followed a few moments of silence when a voice from the back of
the class room piped up: "yeah, right" !!
Cheers,
Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
irishbirdnews
Sent: 04 February 2010 11:47
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
I have a headache reading that Jim!
I remember many years ago a teacher asking how we could get five
consecutive 'ands' in one sentence.
The answer is that a man had a sign made advertising that he sold bread
and jam. When the sign was presented to him it read as follows
'BREADANDJAM'.
The man contacted the sign writer and said that 'there should have been
a space between the bread and and, and and, and jam'.
try that one out on the spell check!
Eric
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fitzharris, Jim"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
Great: what's my redundancy package?
For those who wonder what makes grammar Nazis tick, try to get hold of
"Eats, shoots and leaves" by Lynne Truss. Incidentally while we use the
word grammar, in this case it extends to syntax and punctuation.
Look at the following phrase - it assumes that a guy called Perry owns
some Peregrines (abbreviated to Perry (singular)) who in turn have
proprietary rights over some pigeons:-
Perry's distraught to see the remains of Perry's Perrys' pigeons.
1st Perry's = Perry is
2nd Perry's = possessive singular
Perrys' = possessive plural.
Auf wiederhoren,
Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
Owen Foley
Sent: 04 February 2010 11:17
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
Dermot...you are putting Jim out of business here!
Owen
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Dermot McCabe
wrote:
> Hi Breffni,
> Lorraine Benson has regular reports on Tolka website of Peregrine
> plucking posts on the Central Bank.
> www.dublinbirding.ie.
> Owen, if you MUST use apostrophes do it correctly. "Perry's" means
> belonging to Perry.
> I don't want to have to tell you again!
> Dermot.
>
> On 4 February 2010 10:47, Owen Foley wrote:
> > Hi Breffni,
> >
> > Perry's have been breeding in Dublin for many years now, with them
> > first having been detected on the old and now non existent gas
> > storage unit in
> the
> > docklands.
> >
> > They occaisionally move around the city to new venues, the safest of
> which
> > was the four courts, where they were protected by the already
> > stringent level of security.
> >
> > I dont know about dismembered pigeons, however once whilst walking
> through
> > Trinity college I did notice some feathers raining down from on
> > high, and looked up to see a Peregrine making off with a freshly
killed gutterbird.
> No
> > doubt this spectacle takes place daily over the heads of Dublins
> > work
> force
> > without ever being noticed by the throng.
> >
> > Owen
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Breffni Martin
> > >wrote:
> >
> >> According to that authority on ornithological matters last night,
> >> the Vincent Brown show, there is a peregrine "nesting" on the
> >> central bank building and the sidewalks are strewn with dismembered
> >> pigeons -
> anything in
> >> this?
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Breffni
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of
> > people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
> > - Douglas Adams
> >
>
--
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very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
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Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
From: Seamus Feeney <Flyfisher1 AT EIRCOM.NET>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:25:11 -0000
Don't dwell on the meaning Jim, it's not important. I'm sure everyone else
got the jist of it.
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Fitzharris, Jim"
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:50 AM
To:
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
> What's a pen pal ??!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
> Seamus Feeney
> Sent: 04 February 2010 11:48
> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
> Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
>
> Jim.
>
> I imagine your pen pals didn't last long. ;-)
>
> Séamus.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Fitzharris, Jim"
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:35 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
>
>> Great: what's my redundancy package?
>>
>> For those who wonder what makes grammar Nazis tick, try to get hold of
>> "Eats, shoots and leaves" by Lynne Truss. Incidentally while we use
>> the word grammar, in this case it extends to syntax and punctuation.
>>
>> Look at the following phrase - it assumes that a guy called Perry owns
>> some Peregrines (abbreviated to Perry (singular)) who in turn have
>> proprietary rights over some pigeons:-
>>
>> Perry's distraught to see the remains of Perry's Perrys' pigeons.
>>
>> 1st Perry's = Perry is
>> 2nd Perry's = possessive singular
>> Perrys' = possessive plural.
>>
>> Auf wiederhoren,
>>
>> Jim.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf
>> Of Owen Foley
>> Sent: 04 February 2010 11:17
>> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
>> Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
>>
>> Dermot...you are putting Jim out of business here!
>>
>> Owen
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Dermot McCabe
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Breffni,
>>> Lorraine Benson has regular reports on Tolka website of Peregrine
>>> plucking posts on the Central Bank.
>>> www.dublinbirding.ie.
>>> Owen, if you MUST use apostrophes do it correctly. "Perry's" means
>>> belonging to Perry.
>>> I don't want to have to tell you again!
>>> Dermot.
>>>
>>> On 4 February 2010 10:47, Owen Foley wrote:
>>> > Hi Breffni,
>>> >
>>> > Perry's have been breeding in Dublin for many years now, with them
>>> > first having been detected on the old and now non existent gas
>>> > storage unit in
>>> the
>>> > docklands.
>>> >
>>> > They occaisionally move around the city to new venues, the safest
>>> > of
>>> which
>>> > was the four courts, where they were protected by the already
>>> > stringent level of security.
>>> >
>>> > I dont know about dismembered pigeons, however once whilst walking
>>> through
>>> > Trinity college I did notice some feathers raining down from on
>>> > high, and looked up to see a Peregrine making off with a freshly
>> killed gutterbird.
>>> No
>>> > doubt this spectacle takes place daily over the heads of Dublins
>>> > work
>>> force
>>> > without ever being noticed by the throng.
>>> >
>>> > Owen
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Breffni Martin
>>> >>> >wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> According to that authority on ornithological matters last night,
>>> >> the Vincent Brown show, there is a peregrine "nesting" on the
>>> >> central bank building and the sidewalks are strewn with
>>> >> dismembered
>>
>>> >> pigeons -
>>> anything in
>>> >> this?
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards
>>> >>
>>> >> Breffni
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of
>>> > people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
>>> > - Douglas Adams
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of
>> people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
>> - Douglas Adams
>>
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Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
From: Eamonn <eamonn AT COLLIERKITCHENS.IE>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:05 -0000
At least I could understand the IRBC debate. I got lost after Erics
posting !
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
Fitzharris, Jim
Sent: 04 February 2010 12:07
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
Brilliant Eric!
My favourite "use of English" joke concerns a lecturer talking to his
class about the negative, etc.
He stated that, generally, the negative was the opposite of the
positive: "he ate the cake; he did not eat the cake" - clear enough.
He then went on to say that in English and many languages, the double
negative was effectively positive: "he did not not eat the cake" = "he
did eat the cake" - so far so good.
He continued by saying that in some languages (like Russian), the double
negative accentuates or emphasises the negative but does not reverse it.
Finally, he said, with a degree of self-important pomposity, that the
same rules did not apply to the positive and that in NO language did the
double positive ever have the effect of making it a negative.
There followed a few moments of silence when a voice from the back of
the class room piped up: "yeah, right" !!
Cheers,
Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
irishbirdnews
Sent: 04 February 2010 11:47
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
I have a headache reading that Jim!
I remember many years ago a teacher asking how we could get five
consecutive 'ands' in one sentence.
The answer is that a man had a sign made advertising that he sold bread
and jam. When the sign was presented to him it read as follows
'BREADANDJAM'.
The man contacted the sign writer and said that 'there should have been
a space between the bread and and, and and, and jam'.
try that one out on the spell check!
Eric
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fitzharris, Jim"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
Great: what's my redundancy package?
For those who wonder what makes grammar Nazis tick, try to get hold of
"Eats, shoots and leaves" by Lynne Truss. Incidentally while we use the
word grammar, in this case it extends to syntax and punctuation.
Look at the following phrase - it assumes that a guy called Perry owns
some Peregrines (abbreviated to Perry (singular)) who in turn have
proprietary rights over some pigeons:-
Perry's distraught to see the remains of Perry's Perrys' pigeons.
1st Perry's = Perry is
2nd Perry's = possessive singular
Perrys' = possessive plural.
Auf wiederhoren,
Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
Owen Foley
Sent: 04 February 2010 11:17
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
Dermot...you are putting Jim out of business here!
Owen
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Dermot McCabe
wrote:
> Hi Breffni,
> Lorraine Benson has regular reports on Tolka website of Peregrine
> plucking posts on the Central Bank.
> www.dublinbirding.ie.
> Owen, if you MUST use apostrophes do it correctly. "Perry's" means
> belonging to Perry.
> I don't want to have to tell you again!
> Dermot.
>
> On 4 February 2010 10:47, Owen Foley wrote:
> > Hi Breffni,
> >
> > Perry's have been breeding in Dublin for many years now, with them
> > first having been detected on the old and now non existent gas
> > storage unit in
> the
> > docklands.
> >
> > They occaisionally move around the city to new venues, the safest of
> which
> > was the four courts, where they were protected by the already
> > stringent level of security.
> >
> > I dont know about dismembered pigeons, however once whilst walking
> through
> > Trinity college I did notice some feathers raining down from on
> > high, and looked up to see a Peregrine making off with a freshly
killed gutterbird.
> No
> > doubt this spectacle takes place daily over the heads of Dublins
> > work
> force
> > without ever being noticed by the throng.
> >
> > Owen
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Breffni Martin
> > >wrote:
> >
> >> According to that authority on ornithological matters last night,
> >> the Vincent Brown show, there is a peregrine "nesting" on the
> >> central bank building and the sidewalks are strewn with dismembered
> >> pigeons -
> anything in
> >> this?
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Breffni
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of
> > people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
> > - Douglas Adams
> >
>
--
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people
very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
- Douglas Adams
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Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
From: "Fitzharris, Jim" <Jim.Fitzharris AT SMURFITKAPPA.COM>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:07:16 -0000
Brilliant Eric!
My favourite "use of English" joke concerns a lecturer talking to his
class about the negative, etc.
He stated that, generally, the negative was the opposite of the
positive: "he ate the cake; he did not eat the cake" - clear enough.
He then went on to say that in English and many languages, the double
negative was effectively positive: "he did not not eat the cake" = "he
did eat the cake" - so far so good.
He continued by saying that in some languages (like Russian), the double
negative accentuates or emphasises the negative but does not reverse it.
Finally, he said, with a degree of self-important pomposity, that the
same rules did not apply to the positive and that in NO language did the
double positive ever have the effect of making it a negative.
There followed a few moments of silence when a voice from the back of
the class room piped up: "yeah, right" !!
Cheers,
Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
irishbirdnews
Sent: 04 February 2010 11:47
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
I have a headache reading that Jim!
I remember many years ago a teacher asking how we could get five
consecutive 'ands' in one sentence.
The answer is that a man had a sign made advertising that he sold bread
and jam. When the sign was presented to him it read as follows
'BREADANDJAM'.
The man contacted the sign writer and said that 'there should have been
a space between the bread and and, and and, and jam'.
try that one out on the spell check!
Eric
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fitzharris, Jim"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
Great: what's my redundancy package?
For those who wonder what makes grammar Nazis tick, try to get hold of
"Eats, shoots and leaves" by Lynne Truss. Incidentally while we use the
word grammar, in this case it extends to syntax and punctuation.
Look at the following phrase - it assumes that a guy called Perry owns
some Peregrines (abbreviated to Perry (singular)) who in turn have
proprietary rights over some pigeons:-
Perry's distraught to see the remains of Perry's Perrys' pigeons.
1st Perry's = Perry is
2nd Perry's = possessive singular
Perrys' = possessive plural.
Auf wiederhoren,
Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
Owen Foley
Sent: 04 February 2010 11:17
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
Dermot...you are putting Jim out of business here!
Owen
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Dermot McCabe
wrote:
> Hi Breffni,
> Lorraine Benson has regular reports on Tolka website of Peregrine
> plucking posts on the Central Bank.
> www.dublinbirding.ie.
> Owen, if you MUST use apostrophes do it correctly. "Perry's" means
> belonging to Perry.
> I don't want to have to tell you again!
> Dermot.
>
> On 4 February 2010 10:47, Owen Foley wrote:
> > Hi Breffni,
> >
> > Perry's have been breeding in Dublin for many years now, with them
> > first having been detected on the old and now non existent gas
> > storage unit in
> the
> > docklands.
> >
> > They occaisionally move around the city to new venues, the safest of
> which
> > was the four courts, where they were protected by the already
> > stringent level of security.
> >
> > I dont know about dismembered pigeons, however once whilst walking
> through
> > Trinity college I did notice some feathers raining down from on
> > high, and looked up to see a Peregrine making off with a freshly
killed gutterbird.
> No
> > doubt this spectacle takes place daily over the heads of Dublins
> > work
> force
> > without ever being noticed by the throng.
> >
> > Owen
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Breffni Martin
> > >wrote:
> >
> >> According to that authority on ornithological matters last night,
> >> the Vincent Brown show, there is a peregrine "nesting" on the
> >> central bank building and the sidewalks are strewn with dismembered
> >> pigeons -
> anything in
> >> this?
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Breffni
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of
> > people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
> > - Douglas Adams
> >
>
--
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people
very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
- Douglas Adams
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Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
From: "Fitzharris, Jim" <Jim.Fitzharris AT SMURFITKAPPA.COM>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 11:50:05 -0000
What's a pen pal ??!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of Seamus
Feeney
Sent: 04 February 2010 11:48
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
Jim.
I imagine your pen pals didn't last long. ;-)
Séamus.
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Fitzharris, Jim"
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:35 AM
To:
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
> Great: what's my redundancy package?
>
> For those who wonder what makes grammar Nazis tick, try to get hold of
> "Eats, shoots and leaves" by Lynne Truss. Incidentally while we use
> the word grammar, in this case it extends to syntax and punctuation.
>
> Look at the following phrase - it assumes that a guy called Perry owns
> some Peregrines (abbreviated to Perry (singular)) who in turn have
> proprietary rights over some pigeons:-
>
> Perry's distraught to see the remains of Perry's Perrys' pigeons.
>
> 1st Perry's = Perry is
> 2nd Perry's = possessive singular
> Perrys' = possessive plural.
>
> Auf wiederhoren,
>
> Jim.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf
> Of Owen Foley
> Sent: 04 February 2010 11:17
> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
> Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
>
> Dermot...you are putting Jim out of business here!
>
> Owen
>
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Dermot McCabe
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Breffni,
>> Lorraine Benson has regular reports on Tolka website of Peregrine
>> plucking posts on the Central Bank.
>> www.dublinbirding.ie.
>> Owen, if you MUST use apostrophes do it correctly. "Perry's" means
>> belonging to Perry.
>> I don't want to have to tell you again!
>> Dermot.
>>
>> On 4 February 2010 10:47, Owen Foley wrote:
>> > Hi Breffni,
>> >
>> > Perry's have been breeding in Dublin for many years now, with them
>> > first having been detected on the old and now non existent gas
>> > storage unit in
>> the
>> > docklands.
>> >
>> > They occaisionally move around the city to new venues, the safest
>> > of
>> which
>> > was the four courts, where they were protected by the already
>> > stringent level of security.
>> >
>> > I dont know about dismembered pigeons, however once whilst walking
>> through
>> > Trinity college I did notice some feathers raining down from on
>> > high, and looked up to see a Peregrine making off with a freshly
> killed gutterbird.
>> No
>> > doubt this spectacle takes place daily over the heads of Dublins
>> > work
>> force
>> > without ever being noticed by the throng.
>> >
>> > Owen
>> >
>> > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Breffni Martin
>> >> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> According to that authority on ornithological matters last night,
>> >> the Vincent Brown show, there is a peregrine "nesting" on the
>> >> central bank building and the sidewalks are strewn with
>> >> dismembered
>
>> >> pigeons -
>> anything in
>> >> this?
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >> Breffni
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of
>> > people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
>> > - Douglas Adams
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of
> people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
> - Douglas Adams
>
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Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
From: Seamus Feeney <Flyfisher1 AT EIRCOM.NET>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 11:48:14 -0000
Jim.
I imagine your pen pals didn't last long. ;-)
Séamus.
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Fitzharris, Jim"
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:35 AM
To:
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
> Great: what's my redundancy package?
>
> For those who wonder what makes grammar Nazis tick, try to get hold of
> "Eats, shoots and leaves" by Lynne Truss. Incidentally while we use the
> word grammar, in this case it extends to syntax and punctuation.
>
> Look at the following phrase - it assumes that a guy called Perry owns
> some Peregrines (abbreviated to Perry (singular)) who in turn have
> proprietary rights over some pigeons:-
>
> Perry's distraught to see the remains of Perry's Perrys' pigeons.
>
> 1st Perry's = Perry is
> 2nd Perry's = possessive singular
> Perrys' = possessive plural.
>
> Auf wiederhoren,
>
> Jim.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
> Owen Foley
> Sent: 04 February 2010 11:17
> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
> Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
>
> Dermot...you are putting Jim out of business here!
>
> Owen
>
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Dermot McCabe
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Breffni,
>> Lorraine Benson has regular reports on Tolka website of Peregrine
>> plucking posts on the Central Bank.
>> www.dublinbirding.ie.
>> Owen, if you MUST use apostrophes do it correctly. "Perry's" means
>> belonging to Perry.
>> I don't want to have to tell you again!
>> Dermot.
>>
>> On 4 February 2010 10:47, Owen Foley wrote:
>> > Hi Breffni,
>> >
>> > Perry's have been breeding in Dublin for many years now, with them
>> > first having been detected on the old and now non existent gas
>> > storage unit in
>> the
>> > docklands.
>> >
>> > They occaisionally move around the city to new venues, the safest of
>> which
>> > was the four courts, where they were protected by the already
>> > stringent level of security.
>> >
>> > I dont know about dismembered pigeons, however once whilst walking
>> through
>> > Trinity college I did notice some feathers raining down from on
>> > high, and looked up to see a Peregrine making off with a freshly
> killed gutterbird.
>> No
>> > doubt this spectacle takes place daily over the heads of Dublins
>> > work
>> force
>> > without ever being noticed by the throng.
>> >
>> > Owen
>> >
>> > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Breffni Martin
>> >> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> According to that authority on ornithological matters last night,
>> >> the Vincent Brown show, there is a peregrine "nesting" on the
>> >> central bank building and the sidewalks are strewn with dismembered
>
>> >> pigeons -
>> anything in
>> >> this?
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >> Breffni
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of
>> > people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
>> > - Douglas Adams
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people
> very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
> - Douglas Adams
>
>
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Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
From: Donal Foley <DFoley AT EIRCOM.IE>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 11:46:53 -0000
And when I think of all the money I spent on his edumacation.
Sob
Donal
-----Original Message-----
From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
Fitzharris, Jim
Sent: 04 February 2010 11:35
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
Great: what's my redundancy package?
For those who wonder what makes grammar Nazis tick, try to get hold of
"Eats, shoots and leaves" by Lynne Truss. Incidentally while we use the
word grammar, in this case it extends to syntax and punctuation.
Look at the following phrase - it assumes that a guy called Perry owns
some Peregrines (abbreviated to Perry (singular)) who in turn have
proprietary rights over some pigeons:-
Perry's distraught to see the remains of Perry's Perrys' pigeons.
1st Perry's = Perry is
2nd Perry's = possessive singular
Perrys' = possessive plural.
Auf wiederhoren,
Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
Owen Foley
Sent: 04 February 2010 11:17
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
Dermot...you are putting Jim out of business here!
Owen
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Dermot McCabe
wrote:
> Hi Breffni,
> Lorraine Benson has regular reports on Tolka website of Peregrine
> plucking posts on the Central Bank.
> www.dublinbirding.ie.
> Owen, if you MUST use apostrophes do it correctly. "Perry's" means
> belonging to Perry.
> I don't want to have to tell you again!
> Dermot.
>
> On 4 February 2010 10:47, Owen Foley wrote:
> > Hi Breffni,
> >
> > Perry's have been breeding in Dublin for many years now, with them
> > first having been detected on the old and now non existent gas
> > storage unit in
> the
> > docklands.
> >
> > They occaisionally move around the city to new venues, the safest of
> which
> > was the four courts, where they were protected by the already
> > stringent level of security.
> >
> > I dont know about dismembered pigeons, however once whilst walking
> through
> > Trinity college I did notice some feathers raining down from on
> > high, and looked up to see a Peregrine making off with a freshly
killed gutterbird.
> No
> > doubt this spectacle takes place daily over the heads of Dublins
> > work
> force
> > without ever being noticed by the throng.
> >
> > Owen
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Breffni Martin
> > >wrote:
> >
> >> According to that authority on ornithological matters last night,
> >> the Vincent Brown show, there is a peregrine "nesting" on the
> >> central bank building and the sidewalks are strewn with dismembered
> >> pigeons -
> anything in
> >> this?
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Breffni
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of
> > people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
> > - Douglas Adams
> >
>
--
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people
very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
- Douglas Adams
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Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
From: irishbirdnews <irishbirdnews AT EIRCOM.NET>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 11:46:39 -0000
I have a headache reading that Jim!
I remember many years ago a teacher asking how we could get five consecutive
'ands' in one sentence.
The answer is that a man had a sign made advertising that he sold bread and
jam. When the sign was presented to him it read as follows 'BREADANDJAM'.
The man contacted the sign writer and said that 'there should have been a
space between the bread and and, and and, and jam'.
try that one out on the spell check!
Eric
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fitzharris, Jim"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
Great: what's my redundancy package?
For those who wonder what makes grammar Nazis tick, try to get hold of
"Eats, shoots and leaves" by Lynne Truss. Incidentally while we use the
word grammar, in this case it extends to syntax and punctuation.
Look at the following phrase - it assumes that a guy called Perry owns
some Peregrines (abbreviated to Perry (singular)) who in turn have
proprietary rights over some pigeons:-
Perry's distraught to see the remains of Perry's Perrys' pigeons.
1st Perry's = Perry is
2nd Perry's = possessive singular
Perrys' = possessive plural.
Auf wiederhoren,
Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
Owen Foley
Sent: 04 February 2010 11:17
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
Dermot...you are putting Jim out of business here!
Owen
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Dermot McCabe
wrote:
> Hi Breffni,
> Lorraine Benson has regular reports on Tolka website of Peregrine
> plucking posts on the Central Bank.
> www.dublinbirding.ie.
> Owen, if you MUST use apostrophes do it correctly. "Perry's" means
> belonging to Perry.
> I don't want to have to tell you again!
> Dermot.
>
> On 4 February 2010 10:47, Owen Foley wrote:
> > Hi Breffni,
> >
> > Perry's have been breeding in Dublin for many years now, with them
> > first having been detected on the old and now non existent gas
> > storage unit in
> the
> > docklands.
> >
> > They occaisionally move around the city to new venues, the safest of
> which
> > was the four courts, where they were protected by the already
> > stringent level of security.
> >
> > I dont know about dismembered pigeons, however once whilst walking
> through
> > Trinity college I did notice some feathers raining down from on
> > high, and looked up to see a Peregrine making off with a freshly
killed gutterbird.
> No
> > doubt this spectacle takes place daily over the heads of Dublins
> > work
> force
> > without ever being noticed by the throng.
> >
> > Owen
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Breffni Martin
> > >wrote:
> >
> >> According to that authority on ornithological matters last night,
> >> the Vincent Brown show, there is a peregrine "nesting" on the
> >> central bank building and the sidewalks are strewn with dismembered
> >> pigeons -
> anything in
> >> this?
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Breffni
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of
> > people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
> > - Douglas Adams
> >
>
--
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people
very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
- Douglas Adams
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Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
From: "Fitzharris, Jim" <Jim.Fitzharris AT SMURFITKAPPA.COM>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 11:35:07 -0000
Great: what's my redundancy package?
For those who wonder what makes grammar Nazis tick, try to get hold of
"Eats, shoots and leaves" by Lynne Truss. Incidentally while we use the
word grammar, in this case it extends to syntax and punctuation.
Look at the following phrase - it assumes that a guy called Perry owns
some Peregrines (abbreviated to Perry (singular)) who in turn have
proprietary rights over some pigeons:-
Perry's distraught to see the remains of Perry's Perrys' pigeons.
1st Perry's = Perry is
2nd Perry's = possessive singular
Perrys' = possessive plural.
Auf wiederhoren,
Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
Owen Foley
Sent: 04 February 2010 11:17
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
Dermot...you are putting Jim out of business here!
Owen
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Dermot McCabe
wrote:
> Hi Breffni,
> Lorraine Benson has regular reports on Tolka website of Peregrine
> plucking posts on the Central Bank.
> www.dublinbirding.ie.
> Owen, if you MUST use apostrophes do it correctly. "Perry's" means
> belonging to Perry.
> I don't want to have to tell you again!
> Dermot.
>
> On 4 February 2010 10:47, Owen Foley wrote:
> > Hi Breffni,
> >
> > Perry's have been breeding in Dublin for many years now, with them
> > first having been detected on the old and now non existent gas
> > storage unit in
> the
> > docklands.
> >
> > They occaisionally move around the city to new venues, the safest of
> which
> > was the four courts, where they were protected by the already
> > stringent level of security.
> >
> > I dont know about dismembered pigeons, however once whilst walking
> through
> > Trinity college I did notice some feathers raining down from on
> > high, and looked up to see a Peregrine making off with a freshly
killed gutterbird.
> No
> > doubt this spectacle takes place daily over the heads of Dublins
> > work
> force
> > without ever being noticed by the throng.
> >
> > Owen
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Breffni Martin
> > >wrote:
> >
> >> According to that authority on ornithological matters last night,
> >> the Vincent Brown show, there is a peregrine "nesting" on the
> >> central bank building and the sidewalks are strewn with dismembered
> >> pigeons -
> anything in
> >> this?
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Breffni
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of
> > people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
> > - Douglas Adams
> >
>
--
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people
very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
- Douglas Adams
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Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
From: Harry Hussey <hhussey3 AT YAHOO.COM>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 03:27:37 -0800
Hi all,
Might I suggest, regardless of what may or may not have been broadcast in
the media (whose competence in all things bird-related can often be taken with
a pinch of salt anyway), that we refrain from listing any Peregrine nest sites
on here...contrary to what some of you may think, most pigeon fanciers can
read...
Regards,
Harry
--- On Thu, 4/2/10, Breffni Martin wrote:
From: Breffni Martin
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Date: Thursday, 4 February, 2010, 11:17
Thanks guys.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dermot McCabe"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [IBN-L] peregrine nesting on central bank building
> Hi Breffni,
> Lorraine Benson has regular reports on Tolka website of Peregrine
> plucking posts on the Central Bank.
> www.dublinbirding.ie
> Dermot.
>
> On 4 February 2010 10:47, Owen Foley wrote:
>> Hi Breffni,
>>
>> Perry's have been breeding in Dublin for many years now, with them first
>> having been detected on the old and now non existent gas storage unit in the
>> docklands.
>>
>> They occaisionally move around the city to new venues, the safest of which
>> was the four courts, where they were protected by the already stringent
>> level of security.
>>
>> I dont know about dismembered pigeons, however once whilst walking through
>> Trinity college I did notice some feathers raining down from on high, and
>> looked up to see a Peregrine making off with a freshly killed gutterbird. No
>> doubt this spectacle takes place daily over the heads of Dublins work force
>> without ever being noticed by the throng.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Breffni Martin wrote:
>>
>>> According to that authority on ornithological matters last night, the
>>> Vincent Brown show, there is a peregrine "nesting" on the central bank
>>> building and the sidewalks are strewn with dismembered pigeons - anything
in
>>> this?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Breffni
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people
>> very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
>> - Douglas Adams
>>
>
>
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
From: Owen Foley <pariah.owen AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 11:16:37 +0000
Dermot...you are putting Jim out of business here!
Owen
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Dermot McCabe wrote:
> Hi Breffni,
> Lorraine Benson has regular reports on Tolka website of Peregrine
> plucking posts on the Central Bank.
> www.dublinbirding.ie.
> Owen, if you MUST use apostrophes do it correctly. "Perry's" means
> belonging to Perry.
> I don't want to have to tell you again!
> Dermot.
>
> On 4 February 2010 10:47, Owen Foley wrote:
> > Hi Breffni,
> >
> > Perry's have been breeding in Dublin for many years now, with them first
> > having been detected on the old and now non existent gas storage unit in
> the
> > docklands.
> >
> > They occaisionally move around the city to new venues, the safest of
> which
> > was the four courts, where they were protected by the already stringent
> > level of security.
> >
> > I dont know about dismembered pigeons, however once whilst walking
> through
> > Trinity college I did notice some feathers raining down from on high, and
> > looked up to see a Peregrine making off with a freshly killed gutterbird.
> No
> > doubt this spectacle takes place daily over the heads of Dublins work
> force
> > without ever being noticed by the throng.
> >
> > Owen
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Breffni Martin >wrote:
> >
> >> According to that authority on ornithological matters last night, the
> >> Vincent Brown show, there is a peregrine "nesting" on the central bank
> >> building and the sidewalks are strewn with dismembered pigeons -
> anything in
> >> this?
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Breffni
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people
> > very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
> > - Douglas Adams
> >
>
--
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people
very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
- Douglas Adams
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
From: Breffni Martin <bmartin AT REGINTEL.COM>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 11:17:48 -0000
Thanks guys.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dermot McCabe"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [IBN-L] peregrine nesting on central bank building
> Hi Breffni,
> Lorraine Benson has regular reports on Tolka website of Peregrine
> plucking posts on the Central Bank.
> www.dublinbirding.ie
> Dermot.
>
> On 4 February 2010 10:47, Owen Foley wrote:
>> Hi Breffni,
>>
>> Perry's have been breeding in Dublin for many years now, with them first
>> having been detected on the old and now non existent gas storage unit in
>> the
>> docklands.
>>
>> They occaisionally move around the city to new venues, the safest of
>> which
>> was the four courts, where they were protected by the already stringent
>> level of security.
>>
>> I dont know about dismembered pigeons, however once whilst walking
>> through
>> Trinity college I did notice some feathers raining down from on high, and
>> looked up to see a Peregrine making off with a freshly killed gutterbird.
>> No
>> doubt this spectacle takes place daily over the heads of Dublins work
>> force
>> without ever being noticed by the throng.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Breffni Martin
>> wrote:
>>
>>> According to that authority on ornithological matters last night, the
>>> Vincent Brown show, there is a peregrine "nesting" on the central bank
>>> building and the sidewalks are strewn with dismembered pigeons -
>>> anything in
>>> this?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Breffni
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people
>> very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
>> - Douglas Adams
>>
>
>
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
From: Dermot McCabe <dermot.mccabe AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 11:07:29 +0000
Hi Breffni,
Lorraine Benson has regular reports on Tolka website of Peregrine
plucking posts on the Central Bank.
www.dublinbirding.ie.
Owen, if you MUST use apostrophes do it correctly. "Perry's" means
belonging to Perry.
I don't want to have to tell you again!
Dermot.
On 4 February 2010 10:47, Owen Foley wrote:
> Hi Breffni,
>
> Perry's have been breeding in Dublin for many years now, with them first
> having been detected on the old and now non existent gas storage unit in the
> docklands.
>
> They occaisionally move around the city to new venues, the safest of which
> was the four courts, where they were protected by the already stringent
> level of security.
>
> I dont know about dismembered pigeons, however once whilst walking through
> Trinity college I did notice some feathers raining down from on high, and
> looked up to see a Peregrine making off with a freshly killed gutterbird. No
> doubt this spectacle takes place daily over the heads of Dublins work force
> without ever being noticed by the throng.
>
> Owen
>
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Breffni Martin wrote:
>
>> According to that authority on ornithological matters last night, the
>> Vincent Brown show, there is a peregrine "nesting" on the central bank
>> building and the sidewalks are strewn with dismembered pigeons - anything in
>> this?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Breffni
>>
>
>
>
> --
> In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people
> very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
> - Douglas Adams
>
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
From: Dermot McCabe <dermot.mccabe AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 11:03:23 +0000
Hi Breffni,
Lorraine Benson has regular reports on Tolka website of Peregrine
plucking posts on the Central Bank.
www.dublinbirding.ie
Dermot.
On 4 February 2010 10:47, Owen Foley wrote:
> Hi Breffni,
>
> Perry's have been breeding in Dublin for many years now, with them first
> having been detected on the old and now non existent gas storage unit in the
> docklands.
>
> They occaisionally move around the city to new venues, the safest of which
> was the four courts, where they were protected by the already stringent
> level of security.
>
> I dont know about dismembered pigeons, however once whilst walking through
> Trinity college I did notice some feathers raining down from on high, and
> looked up to see a Peregrine making off with a freshly killed gutterbird. No
> doubt this spectacle takes place daily over the heads of Dublins work force
> without ever being noticed by the throng.
>
> Owen
>
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Breffni Martin wrote:
>
>> According to that authority on ornithological matters last night, the
>> Vincent Brown show, there is a peregrine "nesting" on the central bank
>> building and the sidewalks are strewn with dismembered pigeons - anything in
>> this?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Breffni
>>
>
>
>
> --
> In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people
> very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
> - Douglas Adams
>
Subject: Re: peregrine nesting on central bank building
From: Owen Foley <pariah.owen AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:47:48 +0000
Hi Breffni,
Perry's have been breeding in Dublin for many years now, with them first
having been detected on the old and now non existent gas storage unit in the
docklands.
They occaisionally move around the city to new venues, the safest of which
was the four courts, where they were protected by the already stringent
level of security.
I dont know about dismembered pigeons, however once whilst walking through
Trinity college I did notice some feathers raining down from on high, and
looked up to see a Peregrine making off with a freshly killed gutterbird. No
doubt this spectacle takes place daily over the heads of Dublins work force
without ever being noticed by the throng.
Owen
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Breffni Martin wrote:
> According to that authority on ornithological matters last night, the
> Vincent Brown show, there is a peregrine "nesting" on the central bank
> building and the sidewalks are strewn with dismembered pigeons - anything in
> this?
>
> Regards
>
> Breffni
>
--
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people
very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
- Douglas Adams
Subject: Re: Odd Gull
From: Dermot McCabe <dermot.mccabe AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:47:22 +0000
Howdy Michea(fada)l,
One day I'll find out where the accents are hiding! I got a link to
Eoin and he's given me some info including a chick with leucistic
traits ringed on Lough Mask. Unfortunately I didn't get the number.
I'll try again today. It looks the same scheme as your Sligo pics.
I'll keep you informed.
All the best,
Dermot.
2010/2/3 Mícheál Casey :
> Hi Dermot,
>
> Greetings amigo!
>
> Eoin McGreal has been ringing Black-headed Gulls with that combination for
several years. These chicks have been ringed on an island on Lough Mask, Co.
Mayo, and I expect an east coast record may be a first for that ringing scheme.
The yellow Darvic ring he is using on the left leg is quite a rich tone, in
fact you can see a couple of the birds here
http://www.sligobirding.com/RingReading2010.html
>
> I will pass on your e-mail to him - did you manage to read the number?
>
> Mícheál
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 3 Feb 2010, at 18:50, Dermot McCabe wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>> I was driving home through the Phoenix Park today at 15.30.
>> Approaching the roundabout at Mountjoy Corner on the main road a
>> Black-headed Gull dipped down to pick up
>> something from the road. A second bird flew near and I thought I was
>> looking at the Med Gull reported on Joe's site the other day.
>> It landed on the grass and I was able to observe it briefly. It looked
>> structurally like BHG, all orange bill, bright orange legs,
>> suggestion of a smudge behind the eye and no eye crescents, all white
>> wings.. I imagine it was an albinistic BHG. It had a yellow-orange
>> numbered ring on its left leg and a metal one on the right.
>> Does anybody know if this is enought to trace the ringer? If ringed as
>> a chick would the albinism be apparent?
>> Dermot.
>
Subject: peregrine nesting on central bank building
From: Breffni Martin <bmartin AT REGINTEL.COM>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:37:46 -0000
According to that authority on ornithological matters last night, the
Vincent Brown show, there is a peregrine "nesting" on the central bank
building and the sidewalks are strewn with dismembered pigeons - anything in
this?
Regards
Breffni
Subject: Re: Thayer's video and pics
From: Derek Charles <Derek AT METSTEEL.CO.UK>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 08:39:28 -0000
Thanks Sean.
Love the video.
all the best
derek
________________________________
From: Irish Bird Network on behalf of Sean Cronin
Sent: Thu 04/02/2010 08:38
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: Thayer's video and pics
Hi Derek
I was there for maybe 90 mins yesterday morning. Of that it spent maybe the
first 15 mins on the beach and then disappeared for half an hour, probably out
to the cages but I couldn't see it. It then returned and spent maybe 45 mins
sitting in the water about 10m offshore with black headed gulls. Just where the
small stream enters the sea.
Unfortunately I only thought of using bread shortly before I left. At that
stage my sandwiches were well gone.
All the best
Sean
> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 08:15:56 +0000
> From: Derek AT METSTEEL.CO.UK
> Subject: Re: Thayer's video and pics
> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
>
> Hi Sean,
> very very nice pics, certainly the best i have seen so far.
>
> How long was the gull on the beach/shore for? Did you attempt to attract it
with bread? It appears to spend most of the time off-shore on the cages,
hopefully it will get into a routine of coming a bit closer!
>
> thanks
>
>
> derek
>
> ________________________________
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> From: Irish Bird Network on behalf of Sean Cronin
> Sent: Wed 03/02/2010 23:48
> To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
> Subject: Thayer's video and pics
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> Hi All
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> For anyone interested, I've uploaded a clip of the Galway Thayer's here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T03u2rGg_F8
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> and some photos here http://www.flickr.com/photos/sean_cronin/
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> All the best
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> Sean
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