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1 Feb RE Red-crowned (type) Parakeets [Nikolas Haass ]
2 Feb Re: Butcherbird split in new IOC/OZ checklist ["Casimir Liber" ]
1 Feb Pectoral Sandpiper, Kedron Brook Wetlands, Brisbane [Roy & Helen Sonnenburg ]
1 Feb White-throated Needletail [David Clark ]
1 Feb Kingfisher Park BL Last Blog ["David A. Theriaque" ]
2 Feb Birdpedia - Australia - Weekly Digest ["Birdpedia - Australia Info" ]
1 Feb Laratinga Wetlands, Mt Barker, SA ["Tony Russell" ]
1 Feb Re: Kingfisher Park BL Last Blog [Carl Clifford ]
1 Feb Re: Kingfisher Park BL Last Blog ["Jenny Stiles" ]
1 Feb Re: Crow vs Toad [Steve Kerr ]
1 Feb Neophemas ["Stephen" ]
1 Feb Butcherbird split in new IOC/OZ checklist [Nikolas Haass ]
1 Feb Needletails [Roy & Helen Sonnenburg ]
1 Feb Rainbow Lorrikette ["Kerry Firkin" ]
1 Feb Red-crowned (type) Parakeets [Ashwin Rudder ]
1 Feb Re: Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola [Neil Shelley ]
01 Feb Cruise to New Zealand ["Greg Roberts" ]
01 Feb Kingfisher Park BL Last Blog [Kingfisher Park Birdwatchers Lodge ]
1 Feb Re: Crow vs Toad [Nick Talbot ]
1 Feb Silver-backed Butcherbird [Denise Goodfellow ]
1 Feb Re: BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015) ["Experience the Wild" ]
1 Feb Re: White rumped sandpiper update [Thomas Wilson ]
31 Jan Re: BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015) [GEOFF BOWEN ]
31 Jan Duck rescuers wanted [Debbie Lustig ]
31 Jan Re: Tim Low sweeps the pool ["Peter Madvig" ]
31 Jan Re: Sand plovers [John Graff ]
31 Jan Gallinago sp Snipe at Bibra Lake, Perth [John Graff ]
31 Jan Re: BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015) [John Tongue ]
31 Jan Mutton Cove Trash Conservation Reserve [Chris Shaw ]
31 Jan Re: BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015) [Peter Ewin ]
31 Jan Re: BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015) [Tony Palliser ]
31 Jan Crow vs Toad [Graeme Chapman ]
31 Jan Re: Crow vs Toad [David Bishop ]
31 Jan Re: BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015) [John Tongue ]
31 Jan Re: BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015) [John Tongue ]
31 Jan Re: BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015) [Carl Clifford ]
31 Jan Re: BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015) [Carl Clifford ]
31 Jan Re: Crow vs Toad [Carl Clifford ]
31 Jan Re: BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015) [Jude Lattaway ]
31 Jan Tim Low sweeps the pool [John Weigel ]
31 Jan Re: BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015) [John Tongue ]
31 Jan PNG tour in June/July [Dave Torr ]
31 Jan Crow vs Toad [shane brady ]
31 Jan Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola [Graeme Chapman ]
31 Jan BirdLife Victoria Portland Pelagic Trips in the second half of 2015 [Chris Lester ]
31 Jan Re: Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola [Harvey Perkins ]
31 Jan swift sightings [shane brady ]
31 Jan Re: BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015) [Dave Torr ]
30 Jan Re: BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015) [GEOFF BOWEN ]
31 Jan Re: Sand plovers ["Graeme Bullock" ]
30 Jan Re: Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola [Dimitris Bertzeletos ]
30 Jan BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015) [David James via Birding-Aus ]
30 Jan BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015) [David James via Birding-Aus ]
30 Jan Survey White rumped Sandpiper [Terrillnordstrom1 ]
30 Jan Survey for White-rumped Sandpiper [Terrill Nordstrom ]
30 Jan Spoon-billed sandpiper in hk in sept? [John Leonard ]
29 Jan Fork-tailed Swifts Cairms [martin cachard ]
29 Jan How do small birds survive cold winters? [Laurie Knight ]
29 Jan Re: Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola ["Tony Russell" ]
28 Jan Re: Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola [Mick Roderick ]
28 Jan Re: Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola [John Graff ]
28 Jan Re: Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola [martin cachard ]
28 Jan Re: Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola [James Mustafa ]
28 Jan Re: Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola [Kev Lobotomi ]
28 Jan Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola [Harvey Perkins ]
28 Jan White rumped sandpiper update [Rohan Clarke ]
28 Jan Re: mobbing behvaviour Birding-Aus Digest, Vol 15, Issue 24 [Carl Clifford ]
28 Jan Re: mobbing behvaviour Birding-Aus Digest, Vol 15, Issue 24 [Ronda Green ]
28 Jan Trip to Panama ["Greg Roberts" ]
28 Jan Re: Noisy Miner invasion [David Clark ]
28 Jan Sydney Pelagic Saturday 14 February 2015 ["Roger McGovern" ]
27 Jan Re: Noisy Miner invasion [Peter Pfeiffer ]
28 Jan Birdline Weekly Updates Discontinued []
27 Jan Re: Noisy Miner invasion [Charles ]
27 Jan White rumped sandpiper update [Bernard O'Keefe ]
27 Jan Re: Noisy Miner invasion [David Clark ]

Subject: RE Red-crowned (type) Parakeets
From: Nikolas Haass <n.haass1 AT uq.edu.au>
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 15:12:40 +0000
Hi Ashwin,

IOC 5.1 lists all Cyanoramphus you mentioned as separate species (see below).

Cheers,

Nikolas

Cyanoramphus    Bonaparte, 1854
† Black-fronted Parakeet Cyanoramphus zealandicus (Latham, 1790) PO : Tahiti 
(Society Is.) 

† Raiatea Parakeet Cyanoramphus ulietanus (Gmelin, JF, 1788) PO : Raiatea I. 
(Society Is.) 

 New Caledonian Parakeet Cyanoramphus saisseti Verreaux, J & Des Murs, 1860 AU 
: New Caledonia ENG Change English name of Cyanoramphus saisseti (Red-crowned 
Parakeet) to New Caledonian Parakeet 

 Norfolk Parakeet Cyanoramphus cookii (Gray, GR, 1859) AU : Norfolk island 

† Lord Howe Parakeet Cyanoramphus subflavescens Salvadori, 1891 AU : Lord 
Howe I. 

 Antipodes Parakeet Cyanoramphus unicolor (Lear, 1831) AU : Antipodes Islands 

 Yellow-crowned Parakeet Cyanoramphus auriceps (Kuhl, 1820) AU : New Zealand 

 Chatham Parakeet Cyanoramphus forbesi Rothschild, 1893 AU : Chatham Is. AS 
Cyanoramphus forbesi is split from Cyanoramphus auriceps (Triggs & Daugherty 
1996, Boon et al.2000, BLI) 

 Malherbe's Parakeet Cyanoramphus malherbi Souancé, 1857 AU : South Island, 
New Zealand AS Cyanoramphus malherbii is split from Cyanoramphus auriceps 
(Triggs & Daugherty 1996, Boon et al.2000, BLI). 

 Red-crowned Parakeet Cyanoramphus novaezelandiae (Sparrman, 1787) AU : New 
Zealand ENG Change English name of Cyanoramphus novaezelandiae (Red-fronted 
Parakeet) to Red-crowned Parakeet to conform to prevailing use in New Zealand 

                C. n. cyanurus  Salvadori, 1891 Kermadec Is.
 C. n. novaezelandiae (Sparrman, 1787) New Zealand and nearby islands, Auckland 
and Stewart Is. 

                C. n. chathamensis      Oliver, 1930    Chatham I.
 Reischek's Parakeet Cyanoramphus hochstetteri (Reischek, 1889) AU : Antipodes 
Islands AS Cyanoramphus hochstetteri is split from C. novaezelandiae (Boon et 
al. 2001, Christidis & Boles 2008) 

† Macquarie Parakeet Cyanoramphus erythrotis (Wagler, 1832) AU : Macquarie I. 
EXT Chambers & Boon, 2005 

Nikolas Haass | MD, PhD, FACD
Associate Professor; Head, Experimental Melanoma Therapy Group
President of the Australasian Society of Dermatology Research (ASDR)

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Subject: Re: Butcherbird split in new IOC/OZ checklist
From: "Casimir Liber" <casliber AT bigpond.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 06:54:07 +1100
Yes agree with this - Leo Joseph has been accommodating and helpful to email
about these sort of things
Cas

-----Original Message-----
From: Birding-Aus [mailto:birding-aus-bounces AT birding-aus.org] On Behalf Of
Nikolas Haass
Sent: Sunday, 1 February 2015 12:50 PM
To: birding-aus AT birding-aus.org
Subject: [Birding-Aus] Butcherbird split in new IOC/OZ checklist

Hi all,

It's interesting that Silver-backed Butcherbird was split off Grey-backed
Butcherbird based on Kearns et al. 2013 (Molecular Phylogenetics and
Evolution 66: 941-952) and Kearns et al 2014 (Nature Communications 5:
3994).
Based on Kearns et al. 2013, shouldn't IOC have been more consistent and
have done the following:
(1) Split PNG Black Butcherbird and AUS Black Butcherbird
(2) Lump genus Gymnorhina with Cracticus, and move Australian Magpie
Cracticus tibicen next to Black Butcherbird?

Maybe we need further evidence.

Cheers,

Nikolas

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Associate Professor; Head, Experimental Melanoma Therapy Group President of
the Australasian Society of Dermatology Research (ASDR)

The University of Queensland Diamantina Institute Level 6 | Translational
Research Institute | 37 Kent Street | Woolloongabba QLD 4102

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Subject: Pectoral Sandpiper, Kedron Brook Wetlands, Brisbane
From: Roy & Helen Sonnenburg <royson AT uqconnect.net>
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 12:01:13 +0000
?I spent some time today at Dowse Lagoon, Sandgate, Qld but not many birds 
there. The surrounding vegetation is now very dense so very little exposed 
shoreline. No sandpipers were seen, Seven Glossy Ibis and two Wandering 
Whistling-Duck were the best birds. 



Then visited Kedron Brook Wetlands at the end of Toombul Road. Numerous stilts 
and one Pectoral Sandpiper as well as a few Sharp-tailed Sandpipers. 



Lists are on eBird.


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Subject: White-throated Needletail
From: David Clark <meathead.clark5 AT gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 22:03:14 +1100
Mike

I saw one White-throated Needletail at Burrowye in NE Victoria (S 36° 04’
01.7” E 147° 35’ 09.9”) on Saturday 24 January at about 1900.

It circled once at tree-top height before heading off in a northerly
 direction.  The conditions were fine although we did have a brief storm
later in the night.

Cheers

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Subject: Kingfisher Park BL Last Blog
From: "David A. Theriaque" <davidt AT theriaquelaw.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 10:12:55 -0500
Keith & Lindsay,

 

I would like to join the folks who have said thanks for the memories.  You
squeezed my wife and I in for a brief stay in between tour groups in October
2013.  We greatly appreciated your efforts and hospitality.

 

Good luck with your next venture and please let me know if you ever desire
to travel to Florida - my wife and I would be thrilled to take you to some
of our wonderful birding sites.

 

Take care,

 

Dave

 



 

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Theriaque & Spain
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Tallahassee, FL  32308

 

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  www.theriaquelaw.com

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Birding-Aus [mailto:birding-aus-bounces AT birding-aus.org] On Behalf Of
Kingfisher Park Birdwatchers Lodge
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 7:05 PM
To: Birding Aus
Subject: [Birding-Aus] Kingfisher Park BL Last Blog

 

Hi Folks,

Just to let you know we have posted our last blog before we hand over to the
new owners of the Lodge this week.

We would like to thank all the great people who have sent us lots of thank
you emails, we appreciate this. Hope to see you birding somewhere in the
world. Check out the blog

http://kingfisherparkbirdwatchers.blogspot.com.au

 

Although we are only moving to our house in Julatten 8 minutes from the
lodge we can only get dial up internet! Can you believe it, stepping back 10
years.

No mobile phone coverage either so we will be unsubscribing from
birding-aus.

 

Cheers,

Keith & Lindsay

 

-- 

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     Kingfisher Park Birdwatchers Lodge

     RN 6 Mt. Kooyong Road

     Julatten QLD 4871

     Ph : (07) 4094 1263

     Web Site:   www.birdwatchers.com.au

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Subject: Birdpedia - Australia - Weekly Digest
From: "Birdpedia - Australia Info" <info AT birdpedia.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 00:05:05 +1030
The following is a digest of Sightings Reported on Birdpedia for the period 
Monday, January 26, 2015 to Sunday, February 1, 2015: 


Area: SA

Date: Monday, January 26, 2015

Location: Bushland (St Johns) Park, Lobethal

Sacred Kingfisher (Todiramphus sanctus) (1) In the stringybark forest on the 
western side of the park leading up towards the northern lake. 


Reported by: David Cox on Monday, January 26, 2015

---------------------------------------------

Date: Monday, January 26, 2015

Location: Goolwa Effluent Ponds

Spotless Crake (Porzana tabuensis) (1) In the pond closest to the electricity 
substation. 


Reported by: Kevin Stracey on Wednesday, January 28, 2015

---------------------------------------------

Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2015

Location: Mandalay Drive Happy Valley

Black-chinned Honeyeater (Melithreptus gularis) (1) Further to recent visit of 
an adult to garden bird bath an immature bird has visited, so birds have 
presumably bred nearby. 


Reported by: William Brooker on Wednesday, January 28, 2015

---------------------------------------------

Date: Thursday, January 29, 2015

Location: Laratinga

Spotless Crake (Porzana tabuensis) (2) 

Latham's Snipe (Gallinago hardwickii) (2) 

Buff-banded Rail (Gallirallus philippensis) (1) 

Wood Sandpiper (Tringa glareola) (1) 

All seen by Rod Kathy Dorothy and Andy. 43 species seen in total

Reported by: Rod Tetlow on Thursday, January 29, 2015

---------------------------------------------

Date: Thursday, January 29, 2015

Location: Murray Mouth Hindmarsh Island Goolwa

Pied Oystercatcher (Haematopus longirostris) (41) Water level in the channel 
was very low,so it was a long walk from the lookout across the sand to get good 
looks at these birds. Also 2 Sooty Oyks. 


Caspian Tern (Sterna caspia) (50) Flock of birds resting on the sand close to 
the OYKS. 


Reported by: Winston Syson on Thursday, January 29, 2015

---------------------------------------------

Date: Saturday, January 31, 2015

Location: Thompson Beach

Fairy Tern (Sterna nereis) (22) At the northern end of the beach, hunkered down 
against a biting south-westerly with Caspian and Crested Terns. 


Reported by: Kevin Stracey on Sunday, February 1, 2015

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Subject: Laratinga Wetlands, Mt Barker, SA
From: "Tony Russell" <pratincole08 AT gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 19:25:58 +1030
We spent a couple of hours before lunch in the drizzle at Laratinga today,
There were the usual bush birds around but one exception was a Crested
Shrike-tit which was a nice addition.
 Water birds in the pondage included 3 Latham's Snipe, two Spotted Crakes,
two Spotless Crakes, one Baillons Crake, Pacific Black Duck, Hardhead,
Chestnut Teal, Grey Teal, Pink-eared Duck, Aust Shoveler, Wood Duck (on
grass  near the horse paddock),  Aust Grebe, Purple Swamphes, Eurasian Coot,
Dusky Moorhen, Little Pied Cormorant, one Pelican, some Aust Reed Warblers
and probably some Little Grass Birds ( although they weren't giving their
distinctive call).
Also of interest were the hundreds of Tree Martins flying over the ponds,
probably feeding on flying insects.

As we got rather wet we retired to the bakery in Mt Barker.  ( hundreds of
Little Corellas  in the main town, near the ponds )

Tony.


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Subject: Re: Kingfisher Park BL Last Blog
From: Carl Clifford <carlsclifford AT gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 19:00:26 +1100
If you can get sat NBN, go for it. A friend of mine up on Mt Canobalas, near 
Orange has sat NBN and it is very fast and quite stable. I greatly envy him, as 
he would have just about an order of magnitude greater speed than my connection 
on the Central Coast. 


Carl Clifford


> On 1 Feb 2015, at 4:48 pm, Jenny Stiles  wrote:
> 
> Hi Keith & Lindsay,
> Apparently under the NBN scheme you can get Satellite internet. My 
sister-in-law who lives way out of Bathurst has this. 

> From Jenny Stiles
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Kingfisher Park Birdwatchers Lodge
> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 11:05 AM
> To: Birding Aus
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Kingfisher Park BL Last Blog
> 
> Hi Folks,
> Just to let you know we have posted our last blog before we hand over to
> the new owners of the Lodge this week.
> We would like to thank all the great people who have sent us lots of
> thank you emails, we appreciate this. Hope to see you
> birding somewhere in the world. Check out the blog
> http://kingfisherparkbirdwatchers.blogspot.com.au
> 
> Although we are only moving to our house in Julatten 8 minutes from the
> lodge we can only get dial up internet! Can you believe it, stepping
> back 10 years.
> No mobile phone coverage either so we will be unsubscribing from
> birding-aus.
> 
> Cheers,
> Keith & Lindsay
> 
> -- 
>    Keith & Lindsay Fisher
>    Kingfisher Park Birdwatchers Lodge
>    RN 6 Mt. Kooyong Road
>    Julatten QLD 4871
>    Ph : (07) 4094 1263
>    Web Site: www.birdwatchers.com.au
>    Blog: http://kingfisherparkbirdwatchers.blogspot.com/
> 
> 
> 
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Subject: Re: Kingfisher Park BL Last Blog
From: "Jenny Stiles" <jstiles AT optusnet.com.au>
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 16:48:33 +1100
Hi Keith & Lindsay,
Apparently under the NBN scheme you can get Satellite internet. My 
sister-in-law who lives way out of Bathurst has this.
From Jenny Stiles



-----Original Message----- 
From: Kingfisher Park Birdwatchers Lodge
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 11:05 AM
To: Birding Aus
Subject: [Birding-Aus] Kingfisher Park BL Last Blog

Hi Folks,
Just to let you know we have posted our last blog before we hand over to
the new owners of the Lodge this week.
We would like to thank all the great people who have sent us lots of
thank you emails, we appreciate this. Hope to see you
birding somewhere in the world. Check out the blog
http://kingfisherparkbirdwatchers.blogspot.com.au

Although we are only moving to our house in Julatten 8 minutes from the
lodge we can only get dial up internet! Can you believe it, stepping
back 10 years.
No mobile phone coverage either so we will be unsubscribing from
birding-aus.

Cheers,
Keith & Lindsay

-- 
     Keith & Lindsay Fisher
     Kingfisher Park Birdwatchers Lodge
     RN 6 Mt. Kooyong Road
     Julatten QLD 4871
     Ph : (07) 4094 1263
     Web Site: www.birdwatchers.com.au
     Blog: http://kingfisherparkbirdwatchers.blogspot.com/




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Subject: Re: Crow vs Toad
From: Steve Kerr <steve.kerr AT outlook.com.au>
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 14:31:04 +1000
To be honest, I am surprised that this is considered unusual. Locally (around 
Rockhampton), I know of a couple of locations where crows (Torresian) are 
considered to be in troublesome numbers ... certainly at far higher population 
densities than the general area. My personal pet theory (just an armchair 
opinion really) is that these are locations that have high levels of outdoor 
all night lighting and the crows have gone on to 'night shift' to work the 
toads and support a much greater population of crows - the one location I am 
most familiar with is positively festooned in toad 'shells' often in locations 
where no toad is ever going to reach of its own devices. Away from those 
locations, I think most crow/toad interactions involve 'road toads' (i.e. ones 
that have been squashed by cars) but even they make quite good toad shells. 


Maybe in the more inland locations with lower night time temperatures, the 
toads are more tempted to be active with the sun nearer or above the horizon 
making them more vulnerable to crows without artificial lighting. I certainly 
don't think they make all that much of a dent on the toad population around 
here ... 


Steve Kerr
Rockhampton.


> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 14:42:13 +1100
> From: Carl Clifford 
> To: shane brady 
> Cc: "birding-aus AT birding-aus.org" 
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Crow vs Toad
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> 
> This behaviour by Corvids has been reported a few times in the top end. Not 
quite as spectacular as the Case of the Exploding Toads in Germany a few years 
back, but the technique seems to pretty effective. Hopefully, the behaviour 
will be learnt by other Corvids. 

> 
> Anyone not familiar with the German exploding toads, might like to watch 
this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XK4WS83LKIM 

> 
> Carl Clifford
> 
> 
> > On 31 Jan 2015, at 10:38 am, shane brady  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi all
> > Crows appear to be winning the battle against Cane Toads, at least at our
> > in-laws' property in the Maranoa abt 90km east of Roma.
> > During our latest visit before Xmas, there was a noticeable decrease in
> > toads v frogs, by calls at least. They have been totally dominant out there
> > for years.
> > Every morning a Crow actively hunts them out of a hole beneath a tree in
> > the homestead garden and eats them belly-first.
> > Crows are apparently applying this technique to other reptiles and
> > amphibians as I found a tree frog and a dragon lizard that had been eaten
> > the same telltale way, presumably by Crows.
> > Cane Toads have been rife in the area for a long time. Step on a piece of
> > caked mud by a dry dam and dozens of toadlets would scurry out. But they
> > were strangely quiet this time, and we were treated to an amazing frog
> > symphony each night after the recent rains. Two sounded like they were
> > having an aurgument - one kept responding 'You're wrong, you're wrong -
> > wrong, wrong , wrong'. Hilarious.
> > I also saw a meteorite explode while out listening to them one starry 
night. 

> > Goannas, which have been absent for some time, are also returning. I saw a
> > magnificent Sand Goanna cross the Roma-Taroom Rd nr Mooga Mooga Ck. Just
> > missed him, thankfully.
> > I know all the above is only anecdotal but the signs are encouraging.
> > Shane B
> > Brisbane
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Subject: Neophemas
From: "Stephen" <stgec AT bigpond.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 14:42:51 +1100
In early December I saw Neophemas in Penola, SA, and thought them
Blue-wings. However, the back looked a brighter green than B-w. Could they
have been Elegants? Anybody seen them in that area?

Also, I saw tons of Yellow-tailed Black Cockatoos, but no Red-Tails. Are
they too rare to be a likely spot?

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Subject: Butcherbird split in new IOC/OZ checklist
From: Nikolas Haass <n.haass1 AT uq.edu.au>
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 01:49:43 +0000
Hi all,

It's interesting that Silver-backed Butcherbird was split off Grey-backed 
Butcherbird based on Kearns et al. 2013 (Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution 
66: 941952) and Kearns et al 2014 (Nature Communications 5: 3994). 

Based on Kearns et al. 2013, shouldn't IOC have been more consistent and have 
done the following: 

(1) Split PNG Black Butcherbird and AUS Black Butcherbird
(2) Lump genus Gymnorhina with Cracticus, and move Australian Magpie Cracticus 
tibicen next to Black Butcherbird? 


Maybe we need further evidence

Cheers,

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Subject: Needletails
From: Roy & Helen Sonnenburg <royson AT uqconnect.net>
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 01:07:26 +0000
?Hi Mike

I counted 4 White-throated Needletails heading south-east over Nundah 
(Brisbane) today at around 7.00 am. 

Coordinates are 27? 23' 44.77"S and 153?? 02' 50.06" E?.?. Warm and clear with 
little wind. 


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Subject: Rainbow Lorrikette
From: "Kerry Firkin" <reff777 AT bigpond.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 11:40:50 +1100
I   live in  Corlette  Port Stephens NSW
And I have noticed there has not been as many Rainbow Lorriketts as they has 
been in the past 

I walk along Little Salamander Beach each day and Bagnells Beach as well not 
much sightings there as well 

I had a friend from Engadine in the Sutherland Shire and she said the same 
thing is happening down there as well not as many lorikeets at all 

Also there has not been as many Red-or Yellow Tailed cockatoos I have only seen 
six Red -Tailed last week 

There  has been more  Corellas around since Christmas
And also down at Mambo Creek near Little Salamander Beach there are at least 25 
Black Swans that call Mambo Creek home along with six Pelicans 

Regards Kerry Firkin
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Subject: Red-crowned (type) Parakeets
From: Ashwin Rudder <noisypitta AT gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 12:01:00 +1100
Hi all,

I was going through the new IOC/BARC list and noticed that the (extinct)
Lord Howe Parakeet and Macquarie Parakeet have been lumped into Red-crowned
Parakeet, yet the extant Norfolk Parakeet remains a separate species. I
haven't checked the world list for the status of the other parakeets on the
NZ islands, but was wondering if anyone could link me an article or
otherwise explain how it is that Norfolk is a whole species, yet the Lord
Howe bird some 1000km from Norfolk is different, but the same as the
Macquarie bird, some 4000km away.

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Subject: Re: Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola
From: Neil Shelley <nmshelley AT gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 12:03:29 +1100
Hervey,

Here are some summarised measurement data that was published in Stilt some
years ago (I can provide the exact references if anyone needs them):

   - *Lesser Sand Plover*
      - Bill 16.9mm
      - Head 28.8mm
      - Bill/Head ratio 0.59
   - *Greater Sand Plover*
      - Bill 23.8mm
      - Head 30.8mm
      - Bill/Head ratio 0.77

As you can see from the above, the Lesser Sand Plover has the shorter bill
and the species have similar size heads.  This leads to the overall
impression that the Lesser Sand Plover's bill is ~½ the size of its head &
the Greater Sand Plover's bill is ~¾.

I hope this helps.

*Neil Shelley*

On 31 January 2015 at 11:43, Harvey Perkins  wrote:

> Well, after quite a bit of email traffic on Birding-aus over the past
> couple of days, both public and private, the consensus is very clearly that
> the two birds I photographed at Lake Wollumboola are both Lesser Sand
> Plovers. Bird #1 came “close” but was still universally considered a
> Lesser. I asked some of the respondents for additional tips as to why and
> can summarise as follows.
>
>
>
> To a large degree it is the “jizz” of the bird, particularly around the
> overall proportions and shape of the head, legs and body, but especially,
> the bill length seems to be key. None of this was new to me, and these are
> all features identified in the field guides to look for, but clearly I just
> don’t have the experience with these birds to ‘get it’ just yet.
>
>
>
> Some of the comments included:
>
>
>
> *“I find it's immediately a 'jizz' thing. Greaters just look so long-legged
> they look awkward. The tibia is very long which elevates the body way up
> off the knees. They look as if they're about to topple forwards. The bill
> is important too. A Greater has a bill that is much longer and thicker than
> a Lesser and if stuck onto the side of the head of the bird (ouch) would
> probably reach behind the eye.”*
>
>
>
> *“The bills of your birds look very much on the short side for Greater, and
> also relatively bulbous- and blunt-tipped which is better for Lesser.
> Similarly, the overall shape and proportions are much 'nicer', whereas
> Greaters tend to look more gangly with oversized heads and bills. That
> said, there is significant variation in both species, and birds with more
> intermediate features can be extremely challenging to assign to species”*
>
>
>
> So it seems there will be some individuals, at either end of a scale, that
> will fit neatly into clear-cut ‘identifiability’ as one or the other. The
> photo on my blog of the Lesser Sand Plover from Northwest Island is one of
> these. But I suspect a large number of birds, if not the majority, will
> fall instead within the range of ‘confusability’ for a large number, if 
not 

> the majority, of people. I take some comfort from the statement in the
> *NPIAW
> – The Shorebirds of Australia* which states that, “Identification is
> therefore far from easy, even for experts, especially as individual birds
> may be at different stages of their moult”.
>
>
>
> It’s probably worth keeping in mind the maxim that: “if there’s any 
doubt, 

> then it’s a Lesser”.
>
>
>
> So, As foreshadowed in my initial email to Birding-aus, I have ended up
> slightly embarrassed (and my credibility as a wader watcher and birdwatcher
> more generally must be well and truly shot!), but it has been worth it for
> the feedback it triggered and the better understanding I now have. Thanks
> to all.
>
>
> I’ve updated my blog post with this text as a Postscript.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Harvey
>
> On 28 January 2015 at 20:15, Harvey Perkins  wrote:
>
> > With the spate of twitching of the White-rumped Sandpiper at Lake
> > Wollumboola over the past three weeks, there have been quite a few
> reports
> > of Lesser Sand Plovers there as well.
> >
> > After I posted on my blog about my trip there, I had an email from
> another
> > Birding-auser who thought the sand plovers he had seen were Greaters, not
> > Lessers. That crystalised a niggling doubt I had, so I had a closer look
> at
> > my photos. I've now put up a second post with these photos and conclude
> > that all the sand plovers I saw were in fact Greaters. At the risk of
> > potential embarrassment, I'd love to hear from anyone who'd like to
> either
> > confirm or shoot down my diagnosis...
> >
> > http://hdpphd.blogspot.com.au/2015/01/lake-wollumboola-sand-plovers.html
> >
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > Harvey
> > Canberra
> >
> 
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Subject: Cruise to New Zealand
From: "Greg Roberts" <ninderry AT westnet.com.au>
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 10:52:59 +1000

	Nice seabirds seen during a two-week cruise from Brisbane to New
Zealand and back included Pycroft's Petrel (the highlight);
White-bellied and White-faced Storm-Petrels; Black and White-chinned
Petrels; Northern Royal and Buller's Albatross; Red-tailed and
White-tailed Tropicbirds; Red-footed Booby; White, Sooty,
White-fronted and Bridled Terns; Black-winged, White-necked, Kermadec,
Gould's, Mottled and Cook's Petrels; Common Diving-Petrel;
Broad-billed and Fairy Prions; and Little Shearwater.

	More here: HTTP://TINYURL.COM/O22LUGN

	Greg Roberts


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Subject: Kingfisher Park BL Last Blog
From: Kingfisher Park Birdwatchers Lodge <sootyowl AT bigpond.com>
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 10:05:20 +1000
Hi Folks,
Just to let you know we have posted our last blog before we hand over to 
the new owners of the Lodge this week.
We would like to thank all the great people who have sent us lots of 
thank you emails, we appreciate this. Hope to see you
birding somewhere in the world. Check out the blog 
http://kingfisherparkbirdwatchers.blogspot.com.au

Although we are only moving to our house in Julatten 8 minutes from the 
lodge we can only get dial up internet! Can you believe it, stepping 
back 10 years.
No mobile phone coverage either so we will be unsubscribing from 
birding-aus.

Cheers,
Keith & Lindsay

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Subject: Re: Crow vs Toad
From: Nick Talbot <talbotnicholas AT hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 09:49:40 +1100
This discussion reminded me of a Torresian Crow I saw with a road-killed Cane 
Toad at Banora Point (Tweed Heads) in January. The crow took off carrying the 
toad and flew across the path of my car. It dropped the toad onto the road so 
that I ran over it. Is it possible that the crow was tenderising the toad to 
make it safer to eat? 




> On 31 Jan 2015, at 1:37 pm, David Bishop  wrote:
> 
> Great news and this fits with what I know of crow behaviour in West New 
Britain. The distinctive local race of crow on New Britain can be regularly 
seen flipping over live or dead cane toads and picking at the sift and 
presumably non toxic underparts. 

> 
> Thanks Shane..
> 
> 
> David 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> P. O. Box 1234, Armidale, NSW 2350, Australia
> 
>> On 31 Jan 2015, at 10:38 am, shane brady  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all
>> Crows appear to be winning the battle against Cane Toads, at least at our
>> in-laws' property in the Maranoa abt 90km east of Roma.
>> During our latest visit before Xmas, there was a noticeable decrease in
>> toads v frogs, by calls at least. They have been totally dominant out there
>> for years.
>> Every morning a Crow actively hunts them out of a hole beneath a tree in
>> the homestead garden and eats them belly-first.
>> Crows are apparently applying this technique to other reptiles and
>> amphibians as I found a tree frog and a dragon lizard that had been eaten
>> the same telltale way, presumably by Crows.
>> Cane Toads have been rife in the area for a long time. Step on a piece of
>> caked mud by a dry dam and dozens of toadlets would scurry out. But they
>> were strangely quiet this time, and we were treated to an amazing frog
>> symphony each night after the recent rains. Two sounded like they were
>> having an aurgument - one kept responding 'You're wrong, you're wrong -
>> wrong, wrong , wrong'. Hilarious.
>> I also saw a meteorite explode while out listening to them one starry night.
>> Goannas, which have been absent for some time, are also returning. I saw a
>> magnificent Sand Goanna cross the Roma-Taroom Rd nr Mooga Mooga Ck. Just
>> missed him, thankfully.
>> I know all the above is only anecdotal but the signs are encouraging.
>> Shane B
>> Brisbane
>> 
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Subject: Silver-backed Butcherbird
From: Denise Goodfellow <goodfellow AT bigpond.com.au>
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 07:32:36 +0930
For those who have a copy of Birds of Australias Top End, there is a map for 
this species. Ive found it as far south as Daly Waters in the Wet. 


 

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On 1 Feb 2015, at 6:53 am, GEOFF BOWEN  wrote:

> My thanks to Dave Torr, Mike Jarvis & John Leonard for their response to info 
on the range of the Silver-backed Butcherbird. I was hoping for an armchair 
tick, but they don't come anywhere near Queensland it would seem ! 

> 
> Thanks again
> 
> Geoff
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Dave Torr 
> To: GEOFF BOWEN  
> Cc: Birding_Aus  
> Sent: Friday, 30 January 2015, 23:18
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015)
> 
> 
> 
> Basically from NE WA through the top end of Northern Territory, Nowhere near 
Queensland. It is races argenteus and collettii of the Grey BB so if you have a 
field guide that shows the ssp ranges then you will see. 

> 
> 
> 
> On 31 January 2015 at 09:37, GEOFF BOWEN  wrote:
> 
> Hi all
>> 
>> I was wondering if anyone could help please regarding the Silver-backed 
Butcherbird? The IOC list isn't too specific as to its range, it just states n, 
nw Australia. And all the field guides I have, don't show ranges for what was 
the Grey Butcherbird subspecies. Can anyone on Birding-Aus clarify the range 
please, for instance does it include Queensland, especially south Queensland. 

>> 
>> Many thanks
>> 
>> Geoff Bowen
>> Norfolk, UK
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>>  From: David James via Birding-Aus 
>> To: Birding_Aus 
>> Sent: Friday, 30 January 2015, 5:32
>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Apologies that my previous message had random paragraph breaks and spaces 
deleted. 

>> 
>> the BARC website url is:
>> http://www.tonypalliser.com/barc/barc-home.html
>> 
>>  Cheers,
>> David James
>> Sydney
>> ==============================
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Subject: Re: BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015)
From: "Experience the Wild" <mike AT experiencethewild.com.au>
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 07:31:29 +0930
No worries Geoff, you'll have to pop over and visit us in Darwin sometime,
easiest place to see them and about 50 other near endemics
 ...

 

Regards

 

Mike

 

 

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GEOFF BOWEN
Sent: Sunday, 1 February 2015 6:53 AM
To: Birding_Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015)

 

My thanks to Dave Torr, Mike Jarvis & John Leonard for their response to
info on the range of the Silver-backed Butcherbird. I was hoping for an
armchair tick, but they don't come anywhere near Queensland it would seem !

 

Thanks again

 

Geoff

 

 

 

________________________________

From: Dave Torr <  davidtorr AT gmail.com>

To: GEOFF BOWEN < 
geoffbowen AT btinternet.com> 

Cc: Birding_Aus < 
birding-aus AT birding-aus.org> 

Sent: Friday, 30 January 2015, 23:18

Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015)

 

 

Basically from NE WA through the top end of Northern Territory, Nowhere near
Queensland. It is races argenteus and collettii of the Grey BB so if you
have a field guide that shows the ssp ranges then you will see.

 

 

 

On 31 January 2015 at 09:37, GEOFF BOWEN <
 geoffbowen AT btinternet.com> wrote:

 

Hi all

> 

>I was wondering if anyone could help please regarding the Silver-backed
Butcherbird? The IOC list isn't too specific as to its range, it just states
n, nw Australia. And all the field guides I have, don't show ranges for what
was the Grey Butcherbird subspecies. Can anyone on Birding-Aus clarify the
range please, for instance does it include Queensland, especially south
Queensland.

> 

>Many thanks

> 

>Geoff Bowen

>Norfolk, UK

> 

> 

> 

>________________________________

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>To: Birding_Aus < 
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>Sent: Friday, 30 January 2015, 5:32

>Subject: [Birding-Aus] BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015)

> 

> 

> 

>Apologies that my previous message had random paragraph breaks and spaces
deleted.

> 

>the BARC website url is:

> 
http://www.tonypalliser.com/barc/barc-home.html

> 

> Cheers,

>David James

>Sydney

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>
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Subject: Re: White rumped sandpiper update
From: Thomas Wilson <wilsonsinoz AT optusnet.com.au>
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 08:50:29 +1100
Hi all
a trip to Culburra/Lake Wollumboola on 31 January was successful in finding the 
WRSP exactly as per Rohan's excellent instructions below (Thanks Rohan) and it 
was still there hunkered down in a divot in the sand at 12:45. However, please 
note that the fencing to protect the Little Tern colony has now been removed so 
don't go ploughing off down the beach looking for the fences! The bird was seen 
by me and other the open "saddle" of sand/shell grit that connects a smallish 
isolated dune from the northern end of the long stretch of vegetated dunes that 
curves southwards along the bay to Currarong (visible in the distance). I 
assume that's where the fences were. There is a "1080 Fox Bait" warning sign 
posted in the dunes heading south - if you reach that you have gone way too 
far. 

Cheers
Tom Wilson
 
> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:12:39 +1100
> From: rohan AT wildlifeimages.com.au
> To: birding-aus AT birding-aus.org
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] White rumped sandpiper update
> 
> Hi Bernie,
> The directions remain unchanged from those posted on birding-aus about 
> two and half weeks ago. The bird continues to be seen on the same short 
> stretch of shoreline at Lake Wollumboula or roosting within the 
> fenced-off Little Tern colony.
> 
> To access the site drive to the township of Culburra Beach (via Nowra), 
> NSW. The main road into town is called the 'The Lake Circuit'. About 
> halfway through town, to stay on this named road, you need to turn right 
> (sounds odd but on checking a map it will make sense). Drive to the end 
> of the 'The Lake Circuit' rd and there is a small carpark, picnic area 
> and playground. Take the steps down to the lake (not the path that leads 
> more directly to the beach), then walk south along the edge of the lake 
> at the back of the beach. From the carpark it's about 450 m to the point 
> were the bird has mostly been feeding - pretty much in line with the 
> fenced off Little Tern colony. If it isn't there check amongst the 
> roosting stint in the fenced-off Little Tern area.
> 
> Cheers,
> Rohan
> 
> 
> 
> Hi All
> I am planning on flying up this weekend to search for the White rumped 
> SP. I know the general location but would be very appreciative if 
> someone can give me precise directions! I have always been overwhelmed 
> by the great response to my requests so I will thank you in advance!
> 
> Kind regards
> Bernie OKeefe
> 
> 
> -- 
> Rohan Clarke
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> 
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> 
> 
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Subject: Re: BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015)
From: GEOFF BOWEN <geoffbowen AT btinternet.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 21:23:06 +0000
My thanks to Dave Torr, Mike Jarvis & John Leonard for their response to info 
on the range of the Silver-backed Butcherbird. I was hoping for an armchair 
tick, but they don't come anywhere near Queensland it would seem ! 


Thanks again

Geoff



________________________________
 From: Dave Torr 
To: GEOFF BOWEN  
Cc: Birding_Aus  
Sent: Friday, 30 January 2015, 23:18
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015)
 


Basically from NE WA through the top end of Northern Territory, Nowhere near 
Queensland. It is races argenteus and collettii of the Grey BB so if you have a 
field guide that shows the ssp ranges then you will see. 




On 31 January 2015 at 09:37, GEOFF BOWEN  wrote:

Hi all
>
>I was wondering if anyone could help please regarding the Silver-backed 
Butcherbird? The IOC list isn't too specific as to its range, it just states n, 
nw Australia. And all the field guides I have, don't show ranges for what was 
the Grey Butcherbird subspecies. Can anyone on Birding-Aus clarify the range 
please, for instance does it include Queensland, especially south Queensland. 

>
>Many thanks
>
>Geoff Bowen
>Norfolk, UK
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: David James via Birding-Aus 
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>Sent: Friday, 30 January 2015, 5:32
>Subject: [Birding-Aus] BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015)
>
>
>
>Apologies that myprevious message had random paragraph breaks and spaces 
deleted. 

>
>theBARC website url is:
>http://www.tonypalliser.com/barc/barc-home.html
>
>Cheers,
>David James
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Subject: Duck rescuers wanted
From: Debbie Lustig <debbielustig123 AT hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 23:00:43 +1100
A 12-week Victorian recreational duck-shooting season will commence March 21. 
As many as one in four shot birds isn't killed outright, but escapes, wounded. 
Most suffer a prolonged, cruel death. 

But if reached in time, some can be given treatment and may be rehabilitated 
and released to the wild. 

The Coalition Against Duck Shooting invites anyone interested, to help (on and 
off the wetlands) this year. Join the duck rescue team at www.duck.org.au or 
phone Lynn on 0414 816 509. 



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Subject: Re: Tim Low sweeps the pool
From: "Peter Madvig" <madvig AT iprimus.com.au>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 22:47:48 +1100
Yippee.......

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Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 3:27 PM
Subject: [Birding-Aus] Tim Low sweeps the pool


> Congratulations to Tim Low. His literary prize was helped by votes from 
> you lot, and is a win for birds and birding. 
> http://wheelercentre.com/dailies/post/a34bc393f456/
>
> John
> Sent from my iPhone
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Subject: Re: Sand plovers
From: John Graff <jgraff2 AT hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 19:44:55 +0800
Hi Graeme,

For mine, a Lesser in the first photo (note the relatively short bill and 
generally better proportioned look), Greater in the second (noticeably longer 
and heavier bill, also long-legged) and then one of each in the third (Lesser 
on the left, Greater on the right) 


Cheers,
John

> From: gebullock08 AT bigpond.com
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> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 09:19:01 +1100
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Sand plovers
> 
> Greetings (on my first post),
> 
> I've been following the exchange on sand plovers and confess to some
> confusion. If anyone would like to comment on the photos in the link below,
> I'd appreciate the help. Tentatively I'd characterised the bird in the first
> two photos as lesser, but in the third photo is there one of each?
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/129263843 AT N05/ 
> 
>  
> 
> Graeme Bullock
> 
> Email: gebullock08 AT bigpond.com 
> 
>  
> 
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Subject: Gallinago sp Snipe at Bibra Lake, Perth
From: John Graff <jgraff2 AT hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 19:32:07 +0800
Hi all,

Heather Thorning photographed a Gallinago sp. Snipe at Bibra Lake this morning, 
just north of the new bird hide in the NE of the lake (seen from the hide I 
believe). Several people failed to see it during the day, but Plaxy Barratt, 
Dan Mantle and Paul Newman have reported it showing again this arvo around 
6.15pm, though I get the impression views were relatively distant. 


Obviously this group is a challenge to ID in the field, but any Gallinago is 
unusual in the south-west 


Cheers,
John
 		 	   		  


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Subject: Re: BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015)
From: John Tongue <jspk AT iprimus.com.au>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 19:16:01 +1100
Nice to finally get it sorted.. (and add a couple of armchair ticks).

John Tongue
Devonport, Tas.


On 31/01/2015, at 6:45 PM, Peter Ewin  wrote:

> Seems to be an issue with FireFox - I just clicked on the link and it still 
downloaded the 2014 version. Went to Interbet Explorer and the 2015 version 
came up. 

> Very strange.
> Cheers,
> Peter
> 
> > From: tonyp AT bigpond.net.au
> > To: jspk AT iprimus.com.au; burunglaut07 AT yahoo.com
> > Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 15:05:34 +1100
> > CC: birding-aus AT birding-aus.org
> > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 
2015) 

> > 
> > Hi everyone,
> > 
> > I think it was my fault, please try again the links should be working
> > correctly now
> > 
> > http://www.tonypalliser.com/barc/barc-home.html
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Tony
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Birding-Aus [mailto:birding-aus-bounces AT birding-aus.org] On Behalf Of
> > John Tongue
> > Sent: Saturday, 31 January 2015 12:46 PM
> > To: David James
> > Cc: Birding_Aus
> > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 
2015) 

> > 
> > Hmm, 
> > Following that link still give me the old Checklist (no Western Whistler,
> > and no Silver-backed Butcherbird). Any suggestions for what I might be
> > doing wrong??
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > John Tongue
> > Devonport, Tas.
> > 
> > 
> > On 30/01/2015, at 4:32 PM, David James via Birding-Aus
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > > Apologies that my previous message had random paragraph breaks and spaces
> > deleted.
> > > 
> > > the BARC website url is:
> > > http://www.tonypalliser.com/barc/barc-home.html
> > > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > David James
> > > Sydney
> > > ==============================
> > > 
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Subject: Mutton Cove Trash Conservation Reserve
From: Chris Shaw <seashore AT internode.on.net>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 18:59:09 +1030
Good evening,

My latest whinge about the deplorable state of Adelaide’s Mutton Cove 
Conservation reserve. 


My blog now is now

www.topburds.com  

in respect of my Scottish heritage… and pronounced with a Scottish accent…

But the original link still works… hopefully!

Chris Shaw
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Mobile 0409 675912

My blog - "Top Birds and Everyfing" can be found on the following link 

http://topbirdsandeveryfing.typepad.com/top-birds-everyfing/

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Subject: Re: BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015)
From: Peter Ewin <sittella AT hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 18:45:13 +1100
Seems to be an issue with FireFox - I just clicked on the link and it still 
downloaded the 2014 version. Went to Interbet Explorer and the 2015 version 
came up. 

Very strange.
Cheers,
Peter

> From: tonyp AT bigpond.net.au
> To: jspk AT iprimus.com.au; burunglaut07 AT yahoo.com
> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 15:05:34 +1100
> CC: birding-aus AT birding-aus.org
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015)
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I think it was my fault,  please try again the links should be working
> correctly now
> 
> http://www.tonypalliser.com/barc/barc-home.html
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Tony
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Birding-Aus [mailto:birding-aus-bounces AT birding-aus.org] On Behalf Of
> John Tongue
> Sent: Saturday, 31 January 2015 12:46 PM
> To: David James
> Cc: Birding_Aus
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015)
> 
> Hmm, 
> Following that link still give me the old Checklist (no Western Whistler,
> and no Silver-backed Butcherbird).  Any suggestions for what I might be
> doing wrong??
> 
> Thanks,
> John Tongue
> Devonport, Tas.
> 
> 
> On 30/01/2015, at 4:32 PM, David James via Birding-Aus
>  wrote:
> 
> > Apologies that my previous message had random paragraph breaks and spaces
> deleted.
> > 
> > the BARC website url is:
> > http://www.tonypalliser.com/barc/barc-home.html
> > 
> >  Cheers,
> > David James
> > Sydney
> > ==============================
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Subject: Re: BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015)
From: Tony Palliser <tonyp AT bigpond.net.au>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 15:05:34 +1100
Hi everyone,

I think it was my fault,  please try again the links should be working
correctly now

http://www.tonypalliser.com/barc/barc-home.html


Regards,
Tony




-----Original Message-----
From: Birding-Aus [mailto:birding-aus-bounces AT birding-aus.org] On Behalf Of
John Tongue
Sent: Saturday, 31 January 2015 12:46 PM
To: David James
Cc: Birding_Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015)

Hmm, 
Following that link still give me the old Checklist (no Western Whistler,
and no Silver-backed Butcherbird).  Any suggestions for what I might be
doing wrong??

Thanks,
John Tongue
Devonport, Tas.


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 wrote:

> Apologies that my previous message had random paragraph breaks and spaces
deleted.
> 
> the BARC website url is:
> http://www.tonypalliser.com/barc/barc-home.html
> 
>  Cheers,
> David James
> Sydney
> ==============================
> 
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Subject: Crow vs Toad
From: Graeme Chapman <naturalight AT graemechapman.com.au>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 16:15:39 +1000
Hello Shane,

We lived at Beerwah from about 2000 until 2010 and in my opinion, Cane Toads 
suffered a significant decrease in numbers during that period - I've no idea of 
the reason, possibly just a normal population correction after reaching a peak? 
I don't think it was an abnormally dry period although just before we arrived ( 
in 1999 I think) Beerwah had one of the wettest years on record. This is also 
anecdotal. 


Cheers

Graeme Chapman


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Subject: Re: Crow vs Toad
From: David Bishop <kdvdbishop7 AT gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 13:37:33 +1100
Great news and this fits with what I know of crow behaviour in West New 
Britain. The distinctive local race of crow on New Britain can be regularly 
seen flipping over live or dead cane toads and picking at the sift and 
presumably non toxic underparts. 


Thanks Shane..


David 






P. O. Box 1234, Armidale, NSW 2350, Australia

> On 31 Jan 2015, at 10:38 am, shane brady  wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> Crows appear to be winning the battle against Cane Toads, at least at our
> in-laws' property in the Maranoa abt 90km east of Roma.
> During our latest visit before Xmas, there was a noticeable decrease in
> toads v frogs, by calls at least. They have been totally dominant out there
> for years.
> Every morning a Crow actively hunts them out of a hole beneath a tree in
> the homestead garden and eats them belly-first.
> Crows are apparently applying this technique to other reptiles and
> amphibians as I found a tree frog and a dragon lizard that had been eaten
> the same telltale way, presumably by Crows.
> Cane Toads have been rife in the area for a long time. Step on a piece of
> caked mud by a dry dam and dozens of toadlets would scurry out. But they
> were strangely quiet this time, and we were treated to an amazing frog
> symphony each night after the recent rains. Two sounded like they were
> having an aurgument - one kept responding 'You're wrong, you're wrong -
> wrong, wrong , wrong'. Hilarious.
> I also saw a meteorite explode while out listening to them one starry night.
> Goannas, which have been absent for some time, are also returning. I saw a
> magnificent Sand Goanna cross the Roma-Taroom Rd nr Mooga Mooga Ck. Just
> missed him, thankfully.
> I know all the above is only anecdotal but the signs are encouraging.
> Shane B
> Brisbane
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Subject: Re: BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015)
From: John Tongue <jspk AT iprimus.com.au>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 17:41:40 +1100
Very, very weird!!
If I quit all browsers and click on Tony's link, it opens the BARC page in 
Firefox, and only lets me download the Jul '14 spreadsheet. If I copy the link 
for the BARC page and deliberately open it in Safari, it lets me download the 
Jan '15 spreadsheet! 


Which I now have!!!!  Yay, and thanks all for persisting with me.

Cheers,
John Tongue
Devonport, Tas.


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> Hi everyone,
> 
> I think it was my fault,  please try again the links should be working
> correctly now
> 
> http://www.tonypalliser.com/barc/barc-home.html
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Tony
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Birding-Aus [mailto:birding-aus-bounces AT birding-aus.org] On Behalf Of
> John Tongue
> Sent: Saturday, 31 January 2015 12:46 PM
> To: David James
> Cc: Birding_Aus
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015)
> 
> Hmm, 
> Following that link still give me the old Checklist (no Western Whistler,
> and no Silver-backed Butcherbird).  Any suggestions for what I might be
> doing wrong??
> 
> Thanks,
> John Tongue
> Devonport, Tas.
> 
> 
> On 30/01/2015, at 4:32 PM, David James via Birding-Aus
>  wrote:
> 
>> Apologies that my previous message had random paragraph breaks and spaces
> deleted.
>> 
>> the BARC website url is:
>> http://www.tonypalliser.com/barc/barc-home.html
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> David James
>> Sydney
>> ==============================
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Subject: Re: BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015)
From: John Tongue <jspk AT iprimus.com.au>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 16:52:40 +1100
Sorry Carl, not sure what you mean by "deleting the previous version"?? When I 
click the link, it takes me to the Birdlife Aus BARC page, and clicking No. 9, 
the Australian IOC checklist still gives me the current spreadsheet?? 


Any further advice??

Thanks,
John Tongue
On 31/01/2015, at 2:51 PM, Carl Clifford  wrote:

> John,
> 
> Works for me. Silver-backed Butcherbird is at 825.00 and Western Whistler 
850.50. Have you tried deleting the previous version? 

> 
> Carl Clifford
> 
> 
>> On 31 Jan 2015, at 12:46 pm, John Tongue  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm, 
>> Following that link still give me the old Checklist (no Western Whistler, 
and no Silver-backed Butcherbird). Any suggestions for what I might be doing 
wrong?? 

>> 
>> Thanks,
>> John Tongue
>> Devonport, Tas.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 30/01/2015, at 4:32 PM, David James via Birding-Aus 
 wrote: 

>>> 
>>> Apologies that my previous message had random paragraph breaks and spaces 
deleted. 

>>> 
>>> the BARC website url is:
>>> http://www.tonypalliser.com/barc/barc-home.html
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> David James
>>> Sydney
>>> ==============================
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Subject: Re: BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015)
From: Carl Clifford <carlsclifford AT gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 17:29:44 +1100
Sorry John, I thought you had a previous version installed. I thought that you 
may have had a previous version installed that may have caused a conflict. 

Hmm, don't know what the problem is then. When I click No. 9, it opens up the 
latest version. (I am using an iPad 2 running iOS 8.1.3). 


Perhaps others may have an idea.

Carl Clifford


> On 31 Jan 2015, at 4:52 pm, John Tongue  wrote:
> 
> Sorry Carl, not sure what you mean by "deleting the previous version"?? When 
I click the link, it takes me to the Birdlife Aus BARC page, and clicking No. 
9, the Australian IOC checklist still gives me the current spreadsheet?? 

> 
> Any further advice??
> 
> Thanks,
> John Tongue
>> On 31/01/2015, at 2:51 PM, Carl Clifford  wrote:
>> 
>> John,
>> 
>> Works for me. Silver-backed Butcherbird is at 825.00 and Western Whistler 
850.50. Have you tried deleting the previous version? 

>> 
>> Carl Clifford
>> 
>> 
>>> On 31 Jan 2015, at 12:46 pm, John Tongue  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmm, 
>>> Following that link still give me the old Checklist (no Western Whistler, 
and no Silver-backed Butcherbird). Any suggestions for what I might be doing 
wrong?? 

>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> John Tongue
>>> Devonport, Tas.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 30/01/2015, at 4:32 PM, David James via Birding-Aus 
 wrote: 

>>>> 
>>>> Apologies that my previous message had random paragraph breaks and spaces 
deleted. 

>>>> 
>>>> the BARC website url is:
>>>> http://www.tonypalliser.com/barc/barc-home.html
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> David James
>>>> Sydney
>>>> ==============================
>>>> 
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Subject: Re: BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015)
From: Carl Clifford <carlsclifford AT gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 14:51:35 +1100
John,

Works for me. Silver-backed Butcherbird is at 825.00 and Western Whistler 
850.50. Have you tried deleting the previous version? 


Carl Clifford


> On 31 Jan 2015, at 12:46 pm, John Tongue  wrote:
> 
> Hmm, 
> Following that link still give me the old Checklist (no Western Whistler, and 
no Silver-backed Butcherbird). Any suggestions for what I might be doing 
wrong?? 

> 
> Thanks,
> John Tongue
> Devonport, Tas.
> 
> 
>> On 30/01/2015, at 4:32 PM, David James via Birding-Aus 
 wrote: 

>> 
>> Apologies that my previous message had random paragraph breaks and spaces 
deleted. 

>> 
>> the BARC website url is:
>> http://www.tonypalliser.com/barc/barc-home.html
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> David James
>> Sydney
>> ==============================
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Subject: Re: Crow vs Toad
From: Carl Clifford <carlsclifford AT gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 14:42:13 +1100
This behaviour by Corvids has been reported a few times in the top end. Not 
quite as spectacular as the Case of the Exploding Toads in Germany a few years 
back, but the technique seems to pretty effective. Hopefully, the behaviour 
will be learnt by other Corvids. 


Anyone not familiar with the German exploding toads, might like to watch this: 
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XK4WS83LKIM 


Carl Clifford


> On 31 Jan 2015, at 10:38 am, shane brady  wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> Crows appear to be winning the battle against Cane Toads, at least at our
> in-laws' property in the Maranoa abt 90km east of Roma.
> During our latest visit before Xmas, there was a noticeable decrease in
> toads v frogs, by calls at least. They have been totally dominant out there
> for years.
> Every morning a Crow actively hunts them out of a hole beneath a tree in
> the homestead garden and eats them belly-first.
> Crows are apparently applying this technique to other reptiles and
> amphibians as I found a tree frog and a dragon lizard that had been eaten
> the same telltale way, presumably by Crows.
> Cane Toads have been rife in the area for a long time. Step on a piece of
> caked mud by a dry dam and dozens of toadlets would scurry out. But they
> were strangely quiet this time, and we were treated to an amazing frog
> symphony each night after the recent rains. Two sounded like they were
> having an aurgument - one kept responding 'You're wrong, you're wrong -
> wrong, wrong , wrong'. Hilarious.
> I also saw a meteorite explode while out listening to them one starry night.
> Goannas, which have been absent for some time, are also returning. I saw a
> magnificent Sand Goanna cross the Roma-Taroom Rd nr Mooga Mooga Ck. Just
> missed him, thankfully.
> I know all the above is only anecdotal but the signs are encouraging.
> Shane B
> Brisbane
> 
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Subject: Re: BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015)
From: Jude Lattaway <2roaminoz AT gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 16:58:28 +1000
I found the same thing John .. seems to be July 2014 update

Jude

On 1/31/15, John Tongue  wrote:
> Hmm,
> Following that link still give me the old Checklist (no Western Whistler,
> and no Silver-backed Butcherbird).  Any suggestions for what I might be
> doing wrong??
>
> Thanks,
> John Tongue
> Devonport, Tas.
>
>
> On 30/01/2015, at 4:32 PM, David James via Birding-Aus
>  wrote:
>
>> Apologies that my previous message had random paragraph breaks and spaces
>> deleted.
>>
>> the BARC website url is:
>> http://www.tonypalliser.com/barc/barc-home.html
>>
>>  Cheers,
>> David James
>> Sydney
>> ==============================
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Subject: Tim Low sweeps the pool
From: John Weigel <jweigel AT reptilepark.com.au>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 12:27:18 +0800
Congratulations to Tim Low. His literary prize was helped by votes from you 
lot, and is a win for birds and birding. 
http://wheelercentre.com/dailies/post/a34bc393f456/ 


John
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Subject: Re: BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015)
From: John Tongue <jspk AT iprimus.com.au>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 12:46:26 +1100
Hmm, 
Following that link still give me the old Checklist (no Western Whistler, and 
no Silver-backed Butcherbird). Any suggestions for what I might be doing 
wrong?? 


Thanks,
John Tongue
Devonport, Tas.


On 30/01/2015, at 4:32 PM, David James via Birding-Aus 
 wrote: 


> Apologies that my previous message had random paragraph breaks and spaces 
deleted. 

> 
> the BARC website url is:
> http://www.tonypalliser.com/barc/barc-home.html
> 
>  Cheers,
> David James
> Sydney
> ==============================
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Subject: PNG tour in June/July
From: Dave Torr <davidtorr AT gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 12:39:04 +1100
Hi
5 of us have organised (through Phil Gregory) a 13 day PNG trip from June
24th to July 6th. Very much a "Highlights" tour. Cost will be around $8500
ex Brisbane (including flights, meals, guide etc). Looking for a 6th person
to make up the numbers.
Details available on request
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Subject: Crow vs Toad
From: shane brady <wordmanic AT gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 09:38:10 +1000
Hi all
Crows appear to be winning the battle against Cane Toads, at least at our
in-laws' property in the Maranoa abt 90km east of Roma.
During our latest visit before Xmas, there was a noticeable decrease in
toads v frogs, by calls at least. They have been totally dominant out there
for years.
Every morning a Crow actively hunts them out of a hole beneath a tree in
the homestead garden and eats them belly-first.
Crows are apparently applying this technique to other reptiles and
amphibians as I found a tree frog and a dragon lizard that had been eaten
the same telltale way, presumably by Crows.
Cane Toads have been rife in the area for a long time. Step on a piece of
caked mud by a dry dam and dozens of toadlets would scurry out. But they
were strangely quiet this time, and we were treated to an amazing frog
symphony each night after the recent rains. Two sounded like they were
having an aurgument - one kept responding 'You're wrong, you're wrong -
wrong, wrong , wrong'. Hilarious.
I also saw a meteorite explode while out listening to them one starry night.
Goannas, which have been absent for some time, are also returning. I saw a
magnificent Sand Goanna cross the Roma-Taroom Rd nr Mooga Mooga Ck. Just
missed him, thankfully.
I know all the above is only anecdotal but the signs are encouraging.
Shane B
Brisbane


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Subject: Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola
From: Graeme Chapman <naturalight AT graemechapman.com.au>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 11:50:26 +1000
Hello Harvey and all,

Interesting that the old chestnut of distinguishing Lessers from Greaters is 
still alive and even now there seems to have been some confusion by those 
visiting Lake Wollumboola recently, including by me! I spent some time 
photographing what I thought were a couple of Greater Sand Plovers feeding - I 
was more interested in what they were doing rather than simply what they were. 
Unlike most of the other waders, they were feeding on the edge of the sandbank 
in the damp sand, pulling out tiny worms and it took me quite a few exposures 
until I timed it right to get the bird stretching the worm from the sand. Not 
until I got the pictures home and looked carefully did I realise that the birds 
were Lessers. 


Regarding identification, I remember it being discussed at one of the NSW group 
meetings held at The Australian Museum back in the 1950s! If I remember 
correctly the various differences were pointed out and it was agreed that most 
observations in Australia can be correctly attributed, BUT as with virtually 
all birds, there is a range of measurements and an extremely large Lesser is 
not easy to tell from a small Greater, except by an expert (or a specimen!!). 
As a result of all this, I've loaded up some comparative head studies under 
Greater Sand Plover (page 3) on my website. 
http://www.graemechapman.com.au/library/viewphotos.php?c=403&pg=3 


Another interesting fact emerged from my photography - I caught the 
White-rumped Sandpiper doing a wing-stretch and on the left wing at least, the 
innnermost three or four primaries are worn away to almost nothing, so this 
little fella will have to eat up big and have a decent moult to sustain the big 
flight to Asia. Unfortunately, this very public area means that the birds are 
disturbed quite a lot. 


I tried to ascertain what the bird was eating without any success. It fed 
always in shallow water on what appeared to be small, almost spherical 
translucent objects. Again, pics on my website, a few Broad-billed as well. 


Regards

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Subject: BirdLife Victoria Portland Pelagic Trips in the second half of 2015
From: Chris Lester <gpicta AT gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 11:33:24 +1100
BirdLife Victoria Portland Pelagic Trips

The BirdLife Victoria web site (see link below) has the details of boat
trips from Portland in 2015 and I am now taking bookings for the second six
months of this year. If you want a spot (or spots), please follow the
instructions there to make a booking. There are no spots currently
available for the remaining trips in first half of 2015 but I do have
emergency lists and am also interested to hear from people who might want
to be emergencies.

Please note my new email address.

Regards

Chris Lester

For details of future Portland trips, go to the BirdLife Australia web
site at the bottom of the relevant Birdlife Victoria page at
http://www.birdlife.org.au/locations/all-victoria-statewide/activities-vic

For reports of past BA-Vic and BirdLife Victoria trips from Portland
and Port Fairy, search the Birding-Aus archives for the trip reports
at http://bioacoustics.cse.unsw.edu.au/archives/html/birding-aus/


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Subject: Re: Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola
From: Harvey Perkins <hdpphd AT gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 11:43:55 +1100
Well, after quite a bit of email traffic on Birding-aus over the past
couple of days, both public and private, the consensus is very clearly that
the two birds I photographed at Lake Wollumboola are both Lesser Sand
Plovers. Bird #1 came “close” but was still universally considered a
Lesser. I asked some of the respondents for additional tips as to why and
can summarise as follows.



To a large degree it is the “jizz” of the bird, particularly around the
overall proportions and shape of the head, legs and body, but especially,
the bill length seems to be key. None of this was new to me, and these are
all features identified in the field guides to look for, but clearly I just
don’t have the experience with these birds to ‘get it’ just yet.



Some of the comments included:



*“I find it's immediately a 'jizz' thing. Greaters just look so long-legged
they look awkward. The tibia is very long which elevates the body way up
off the knees. They look as if they're about to topple forwards. The bill
is important too. A Greater has a bill that is much longer and thicker than
a Lesser and if stuck onto the side of the head of the bird (ouch) would
probably reach behind the eye.”*



*“The bills of your birds look very much on the short side for Greater, and
also relatively bulbous- and blunt-tipped which is better for Lesser.
Similarly, the overall shape and proportions are much 'nicer', whereas
Greaters tend to look more gangly with oversized heads and bills. That
said, there is significant variation in both species, and birds with more
intermediate features can be extremely challenging to assign to species”*



So it seems there will be some individuals, at either end of a scale, that
will fit neatly into clear-cut ‘identifiability’ as one or the other. The
photo on my blog of the Lesser Sand Plover from Northwest Island is one of
these. But I suspect a large number of birds, if not the majority, will
fall instead within the range of ‘confusability’ for a large number, if not
the majority, of people. I take some comfort from the statement in the *NPIAW
– The Shorebirds of Australia* which states that, “Identification is
therefore far from easy, even for experts, especially as individual birds
may be at different stages of their moult”.



It’s probably worth keeping in mind the maxim that: “if there’s any 
doubt, 

then it’s a Lesser”.



So, As foreshadowed in my initial email to Birding-aus, I have ended up
slightly embarrassed (and my credibility as a wader watcher and birdwatcher
more generally must be well and truly shot!), but it has been worth it for
the feedback it triggered and the better understanding I now have. Thanks
to all.


I’ve updated my blog post with this text as a Postscript.

Cheers,

Harvey

On 28 January 2015 at 20:15, Harvey Perkins  wrote:

> With the spate of twitching of the White-rumped Sandpiper at Lake
> Wollumboola over the past three weeks, there have been quite a few reports
> of Lesser Sand Plovers there as well.
>
> After I posted on my blog about my trip there, I had an email from another
> Birding-auser who thought the sand plovers he had seen were Greaters, not
> Lessers. That crystalised a niggling doubt I had, so I had a closer look at
> my photos. I've now put up a second post with these photos and conclude
> that all the sand plovers I saw were in fact Greaters. At the risk of
> potential embarrassment, I'd love to hear from anyone who'd like to either
> confirm or shoot down my diagnosis...
>
> http://hdpphd.blogspot.com.au/2015/01/lake-wollumboola-sand-plovers.html
>
>
> cheers,
>
> Harvey
> Canberra
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Subject: swift sightings
From: shane brady <wordmanic AT gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 09:20:39 +1000
Hi
Approx 20 Fork-tailed Swifts ahead of a cloud front at Nive Downs, north of
Augathella, Qld, on Boxing Day.
Approx 100+ White-throated Needletails over Point Lookout, Nth Stradbroke
Island, Qld, on Jan 17.
Excuse the late posting.
Shane B
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Subject: Re: BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015)
From: Dave Torr <davidtorr AT gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 10:18:41 +1100
Basically from NE WA through the top end of Northern Territory, Nowhere
near Queensland. It is races argenteus and collettii of the Grey BB so if
you have a field guide that shows the ssp ranges then you will see.

On 31 January 2015 at 09:37, GEOFF BOWEN  wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I was wondering if anyone could help please regarding the Silver-backed
> Butcherbird? The IOC list isn't too specific as to its range, it just
> states n, nw Australia. And all the field guides I have, don't show ranges
> for what was the Grey Butcherbird subspecies. Can anyone on Birding-Aus
> clarify the range please, for instance does it include Queensland,
> especially south Queensland.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Geoff Bowen
> Norfolk, UK
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: David James via Birding-Aus 
> To: Birding_Aus 
> Sent: Friday, 30 January 2015, 5:32
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015)
>
>
> Apologies that my previous message had random paragraph breaks and spaces
> deleted.
>
> the BARC website url is:
> http://www.tonypalliser.com/barc/barc-home.html
>
>  Cheers,
> David James
> Sydney
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Subject: Re: BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015)
From: GEOFF BOWEN <geoffbowen AT btinternet.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 22:37:03 +0000
Hi all

I was wondering if anyone could help please regarding the Silver-backed 
Butcherbird? The IOC list isn't too specific as to its range, it just states n, 
nw Australia. And all the field guides I have, don't show ranges for what was 
the Grey Butcherbird subspecies. Can anyone on Birding-Aus clarify the range 
please, for instance does it include Queensland, especially south Queensland. 


Many thanks

Geoff Bowen
Norfolk, UK



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Subject: [Birding-Aus] BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015)
 

Apologies that myprevious message had random paragraph breaks and spaces 
deleted. 


theBARC website url is:
http://www.tonypalliser.com/barc/barc-home.html

Cheers,
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Subject: Re: Sand plovers
From: "Graeme Bullock" <gebullock08 AT bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 09:19:01 +1100
Greetings (on my first post),

I've been following the exchange on sand plovers and confess to some
confusion. If anyone would like to comment on the photos in the link below,
I'd appreciate the help. Tentatively I'd characterised the bird in the first
two photos as lesser, but in the third photo is there one of each?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/129263843 AT N05/ 

 

Graeme Bullock

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Subject: Re: Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola
From: Dimitris Bertzeletos <risingphoenixdim AT hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 12:42:08 +0200
As John says none of the pictures from Lake Wollumboola are GSP at least when 
considering likely Australian races. If we were overseas bird #1 would be 
trickier. 


The only GSP are in the bottom image and involves the two long-beaked birds in 
the back. 


Cheers,

D.

> From: jgraff2 AT hotmail.com
> To: mcachard AT hotmail.com; hdpphd AT gmail.com; birding-aus AT birding-aus.org; 
canberrabirds AT canberrabirds.org.au 

> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 18:33:35 +0800
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola
> 
> G'day Harvey et al.
> 
> All the photos on your blog look like Lessers with the exception of a couple 
at the far bottom photo (which I don't think is from the lake?) 

> 
> There was at least one Greater Sand at the lake when I was there on 14th Jan, 
but I only saw Lessers on the 16th 

> 
> Cheers,
> John
> 
> > From: mcachard AT hotmail.com
> > To: hdpphd AT gmail.com; birding-aus AT birding-aus.org; 
canberrabirds AT canberrabirds.org.au 

> > Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 21:16:50 +1100
> > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola
> > 
> > hey Harvey,
> > I just had a quick look at yr log - there's def some Greate SP's im 
there... 

> > pic 12 shows a lome Greater om the right, rest look like Lesser's to me...
> > pic 11 is a Lesser for sure. 
> > hope that helps a little...??
> >  
> > cheers martim cachard, cairms
> >  
> > > Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:15:11 +1100
> > > From: hdpphd AT gmail.com
> > > To: birding-aus AT birding-aus.org; canberrabirds AT canberrabirds.org.au
> > > Subject: [Birding-Aus] Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola
> > > 
> > > With the spate of twitching of the White-rumped Sandpiper at Lake
> > > Wollumboola over the past three weeks, there have been quite a few 
reports 

> > > of Lesser Sand Plovers there as well.
> > > 
> > > After I posted on my blog about my trip there, I had an email from 
another 

> > > Birding-auser who thought the sand plovers he had seen were Greaters, not
> > > Lessers. That crystalised a niggling doubt I had, so I had a closer look 
at 

> > > my photos. I've now put up a second post with these photos and conclude
> > > that all the sand plovers I saw were in fact Greaters. At the risk of
> > > potential embarrassment, I'd love to hear from anyone who'd like to 
either 

> > > confirm or shoot down my diagnosis...
> > > 
> > > http://hdpphd.blogspot.com.au/2015/01/lake-wollumboola-sand-plovers.html
> > > 
> > > 
> > > cheers,
> > > 
> > > Harvey
> > > Canberra
> > > 
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Subject: BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015)
From: David James via Birding-Aus <birding-aus AT birding-aus.org>
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 05:32:07 +0000 (UTC)
Apologies that my previous message had random paragraph breaks and spaces 
deleted. 


the BARC website url is:
http://www.tonypalliser.com/barc/barc-home.html

 Cheers,
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Subject: BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015)
From: David James via Birding-Aus <birding-aus AT birding-aus.org>
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 04:39:43 +0000 (UTC)
BARC Checklist v2015Jan is released (30 Jan 2015)Greetings birders,A new 
version of the BARC Australian Checklist v2015Jan willbe available later this 
evening (30 January 2015) on the BARC website. It willbe a downloadable 
Microsoft Excel spreadsheet (BARC_Australian_Checklist_v2014Jul.xls).The BARC 
Website is at:http://www.tonypalliser.com/barc/barc-home.htmlLike previous 
versions, thischecklist is intended to follow the IOC World Bird Names 
checklist to theletter, in terms of species taxonomy, scientific and English 
names, spellingand sequence. As with previous versions, subspecies are not 
included. Usually,there are no intended deviations from the IOC list (other 
than abbreviating itto species and Australia) and there are no novel taxonomic 
opinions expressedby BARC in that regard. However, in this edition, there is 
one deviation, thecontinued inclusion of the extinct Norfolk Ground Dove 
Gallicolumbanorfolciensis on the BARC Checklist. This upgrade includes changes 
to the IOC list up to 16 January2015 (Gill, F & D Donsker 2015; IOC World Bird 
List v 5.1; http://www.worldbirdnames.org/). If you download the spreadsheet 
you will find twoworksheets. One worksheet is the full v2015Jan. The second 
worksheet is anupgrade tool for those who are already using the BARC Checklist 
(v2014Jul) andwould prefer to modify their personalised lists rather than start 
with a blankchecklist again. It contains a set of instructions for converting 
the old BARCChecklist v2014Jul to this new v2015Jan. Upgrading involves 
inserting three newspecies (two splits by the IOC and a new species accepted by 
BARC), merging twofamilies into one, and replacing two rows due to name 
changes. The upgradeworksheet will also allow users to identify the changes 
that have been made in v2015Jan.Summary of changes:The IOC has split two 
species since v2014Jul was released(Silver-backed Butsherbird and Western 
Whistler):One species new for Australia has been accepted by BARC sincev2014Jul 
(Nicobar Pigeon).One extinct species, the Norfolk Ground Dove 
Gallicolumbanorfolciensis, has been deleted from IOC v.4.4 and subsequent 
versions,as the name has been formally suppressed and the validity of species 
requiresconfirmation. It remains in BARC v2015Jan pending further clarity.The 
bell magpies and the woodswallows are merged into asingle family with a revised 
species sequence. Minor name changes affect one species and one family 
headerrow.  These changes bring the total Australian list to 927confirmed 
species, 18 of which are extinct or extirpated. There are also updates to three 
other BARC lists, coincidingwith this new version of the checklist. All are 
available on the BARC website:BARC_Index_of_Cases_v2015Jan.xlsIncludes a list 
of cases received up to 30 January 2015 andlinks to finalised case summaries. 
 BARC_Review_List_ v2015Jan.xlsThe one species new to the Australian list has 
been added. Nospecies have been removed. 
BARC_Unsubstantiated_List_v2015Jan.xlsThe “Unsubstantiated Species List” 
contains species whichmight be added to the Australian list in the future, but 
which BARC has so farnot accepted. To qualify for inclusion there needs to be 
some evidence such aspublished and unambiguous photos, reports of a museum 
specimen, a submissionthat BARC is reviewing, etc. The intention is that the 
BARC Australian Checklist will beupdated every 6 months (in Approximately 
January and July). The other threelists will all be updated at the same time. 
The versions of each will beidentified by year and month as follows: 
[list]_v2014Jul.xls, [list]_v2015Jan.xls,etc. The IOC World Bird List site 
contains more information aboutthe open processes, dynamic revisions and 
cooperative approach of the IOC checklistsystem. 
http://www.worldbirdnames.org/The BARC Australian Checklist v1 was first 
released inNovember 2011 and this current version is the 5th update.Thanks are 
due to Rohan Clarke and Tony Palliser for helpfulcomments on this update. Good 
birding to you all, David James 



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Subject: Survey White rumped Sandpiper
From: Terrillnordstrom1 <terrillnordstrom1 AT gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 15:03:25 +1100
Sorry.made a mistake could you please
send your replies to my email address
terrillnordstrom1 AT gmail.com                   Thsnks 
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Subject: Survey for White-rumped Sandpiper
From: Terrill Nordstrom <terrillnordstrom1 AT gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 13:12:18 +1100
Illawarra Birders is conducting a survey regarding the number of birders
that have twitched the WR Sandpiper at lake Wollumoola.
The information that is needed for this survey is: Date of trip to Lake
Wollumboola, City or suburb where you live or started from,
Were you successful in locating the bird, Did you buy anything in the local
town (how much did you spend).
Lake Wollumboola is under development pressure, so the more information
that we can provide to the local council of how important it is to retain
the lake in it's natural state the more chance we will have in saving this
beautiful area.
Please send your replies to www.illawarrabirders.org

Thankyou    Terrill Nordstrom. President, Illawarra Birders Inc.


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Subject: Spoon-billed sandpiper in hk in sept?
From: John Leonard <calyptorhynchus AT gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 08:36:35 +1100
I'm going on a tour in southwest china in September, coming back through Hong 
Kong around 15 sept. Would there be a chance for a spoon-billed sandpiper at 
Mai po around then? 


John Leonard


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Subject: Fork-tailed Swifts Cairms
From: martin cachard <mcachard AT hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 20:39:00 +1100
hi guys...
plemty of Fork-taileds aroumd Cairms lowlamds this week...
 
om momday 26/01 aout 100 plus over Vucham's Poimt , with mayve 10 or so Aust 
Swiftets...clear skies... 

 
today at 645pm at Trimity Veach avout 500 plus Forkies over head at dusk spread 
over the whole suvurv... a few Swiftlets amomgst them (prov 50 or so), vut 
still mo Meedletails as yet!!! low cloud vut maimly clear skies. 

 
cheers m cachard, cairms
 
 		 	   		  


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Subject: How do small birds survive cold winters?
From: Laurie Knight <l.knight AT optusnet.com.au>
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 16:58:01 +1000
The findings of some Norwegian research are available at 
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/01/150127100159.htm 






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Subject: Re: Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola
From: "Tony Russell" <pratincole08 AT gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:50:55 +1030
I was so busy looking at the White-rumped SP I didn't even notice the Greaters 
and/or Lessers. Funny how one's priorities determine one's actions eh ! 


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From: Birding-Aus [mailto:birding-aus-bounces AT birding-aus.org] On Behalf Of 
Mick Roderick 

Sent: Thursday, 29 January 2015 10:10 AM
To: John Graff; martin cachard; Harvey Perkins; Birding-Aus; Canberra Birds
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola

I agree that none of the birds in the images taken at Wollumboola are Greaters. 
Bird 1 would be the only 'candidate' but I still think it is a Lesser. 

Last Friday (23rd) when we were down at the site, there were 5 Lessers and no 
Greaters. 

Mick 
       From: John Graff 
 To: martin cachard ; Harvey Perkins ; 
Birding-Aus ; Canberra Birds 
 

 Sent: Wednesday, 28 January 2015, 21:33
 Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola
   
G'day Harvey et al.

All the photos on your blog look like Lessers with the exception of a couple at 
the far bottom photo (which I don't think is from the lake?) 


There was at least one Greater Sand at the lake when I was there on 14th Jan, 
but I only saw Lessers on the 16th 


Cheers,
John

> From: mcachard AT hotmail.com
> To: hdpphd AT gmail.com; birding-aus AT birding-aus.org; 
> canberrabirds AT canberrabirds.org.au
> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 21:16:50 +1100
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola
> 
> hey Harvey,
> I just had a quick look at yr log - there's def some Greate SP's im there...
> pic 12 shows a lome Greater om the right, rest look like Lesser's to me...
> pic 11 is a Lesser for sure. 
> hope that helps a little...??
>  
> cheers martim cachard, cairms
>  
> > Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:15:11 +1100
> > From: hdpphd AT gmail.com
> > To: birding-aus AT birding-aus.org; canberrabirds AT canberrabirds.org.au
> > Subject: [Birding-Aus] Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola
> > 
> > With the spate of twitching of the White-rumped Sandpiper at Lake 
> > Wollumboola over the past three weeks, there have been quite a few 
> > reports of Lesser Sand Plovers there as well.
> > 
> > After I posted on my blog about my trip there, I had an email from 
> > another Birding-auser who thought the sand plovers he had seen were 
> > Greaters, not Lessers. That crystalised a niggling doubt I had, so I 
> > had a closer look at my photos. I've now put up a second post with 
> > these photos and conclude that all the sand plovers I saw were in 
> > fact Greaters. At the risk of potential embarrassment, I'd love to 
> > hear from anyone who'd like to either confirm or shoot down my diagnosis...
> > 
> > http://hdpphd.blogspot.com.au/2015/01/lake-wollumboola-sand-plovers.
> > html
> > 
> > 
> > cheers,
> > 
> > Harvey
> > Canberra
> > 
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Subject: Re: Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola
From: Mick Roderick <mickhhb AT yahoo.com.au>
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 23:39:32 +0000 (UTC)
I agree that none of the birds in the images taken at Wollumboola are Greaters. 
Bird 1 would be the only 'candidate' but I still think it is a Lesser. 

Last Friday (23rd) when we were down at the site, there were 5 Lessers and no 
Greaters. 

Mick 
       From: John Graff 
 To: martin cachard ; Harvey Perkins ; 
Birding-Aus ; Canberra Birds 
 

 Sent: Wednesday, 28 January 2015, 21:33
 Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola
   
G'day Harvey et al.

All the photos on your blog look like Lessers with the exception of a couple at 
the far bottom photo (which I don't think is from the lake?) 


There was at least one Greater Sand at the lake when I was there on 14th Jan, 
but I only saw Lessers on the 16th 


Cheers,
John

> From: mcachard AT hotmail.com
> To: hdpphd AT gmail.com; birding-aus AT birding-aus.org; 
canberrabirds AT canberrabirds.org.au 

> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 21:16:50 +1100
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola
> 
> hey Harvey,
> I just had a quick look at yr log - there's def some Greate SP's im there...
> pic 12 shows a lome Greater om the right, rest look like Lesser's to me...
> pic 11 is a Lesser for sure. 
> hope that helps a little...??
>  
> cheers martim cachard, cairms
>  
> > Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:15:11 +1100
> > From: hdpphd AT gmail.com
> > To: birding-aus AT birding-aus.org; canberrabirds AT canberrabirds.org.au
> > Subject: [Birding-Aus] Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola
> > 
> > With the spate of twitching of the White-rumped Sandpiper at Lake
> > Wollumboola over the past three weeks, there have been quite a few reports
> > of Lesser Sand Plovers there as well.
> > 
> > After I posted on my blog about my trip there, I had an email from another
> > Birding-auser who thought the sand plovers he had seen were Greaters, not
> > Lessers. That crystalised a niggling doubt I had, so I had a closer look at
> > my photos. I've now put up a second post with these photos and conclude
> > that all the sand plovers I saw were in fact Greaters. At the risk of
> > potential embarrassment, I'd love to hear from anyone who'd like to either
> > confirm or shoot down my diagnosis...
> > 
> > http://hdpphd.blogspot.com.au/2015/01/lake-wollumboola-sand-plovers.html
> > 
> > 
> > cheers,
> > 
> > Harvey
> > Canberra
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Subject: Re: Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola
From: John Graff <jgraff2 AT hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 18:33:35 +0800
G'day Harvey et al.

All the photos on your blog look like Lessers with the exception of a couple at 
the far bottom photo (which I don't think is from the lake?) 


There was at least one Greater Sand at the lake when I was there on 14th Jan, 
but I only saw Lessers on the 16th 


Cheers,
John

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> To: hdpphd AT gmail.com; birding-aus AT birding-aus.org; 
canberrabirds AT canberrabirds.org.au 

> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 21:16:50 +1100
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola
> 
> hey Harvey,
> I just had a quick look at yr log - there's def some Greate SP's im there...
> pic 12 shows a lome Greater om the right, rest look like Lesser's to me...
> pic 11 is a Lesser for sure. 
> hope that helps a little...??
>  
> cheers martim cachard, cairms
>  
> > Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:15:11 +1100
> > From: hdpphd AT gmail.com
> > To: birding-aus AT birding-aus.org; canberrabirds AT canberrabirds.org.au
> > Subject: [Birding-Aus] Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola
> > 
> > With the spate of twitching of the White-rumped Sandpiper at Lake
> > Wollumboola over the past three weeks, there have been quite a few reports
> > of Lesser Sand Plovers there as well.
> > 
> > After I posted on my blog about my trip there, I had an email from another
> > Birding-auser who thought the sand plovers he had seen were Greaters, not
> > Lessers. That crystalised a niggling doubt I had, so I had a closer look at
> > my photos. I've now put up a second post with these photos and conclude
> > that all the sand plovers I saw were in fact Greaters. At the risk of
> > potential embarrassment, I'd love to hear from anyone who'd like to either
> > confirm or shoot down my diagnosis...
> > 
> > http://hdpphd.blogspot.com.au/2015/01/lake-wollumboola-sand-plovers.html
> > 
> > 
> > cheers,
> > 
> > Harvey
> > Canberra
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Subject: Re: Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola
From: martin cachard <mcachard AT hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 21:16:50 +1100
hey Harvey,
I just had a quick look at yr log - there's def some Greate SP's im there...
pic 12 shows a lome Greater om the right, rest look like Lesser's to me...
pic 11 is a Lesser for sure. 
hope that helps a little...??
 
cheers martim cachard, cairms
 
> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:15:11 +1100
> From: hdpphd AT gmail.com
> To: birding-aus AT birding-aus.org; canberrabirds AT canberrabirds.org.au
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola
> 
> With the spate of twitching of the White-rumped Sandpiper at Lake
> Wollumboola over the past three weeks, there have been quite a few reports
> of Lesser Sand Plovers there as well.
> 
> After I posted on my blog about my trip there, I had an email from another
> Birding-auser who thought the sand plovers he had seen were Greaters, not
> Lessers. That crystalised a niggling doubt I had, so I had a closer look at
> my photos. I've now put up a second post with these photos and conclude
> that all the sand plovers I saw were in fact Greaters. At the risk of
> potential embarrassment, I'd love to hear from anyone who'd like to either
> confirm or shoot down my diagnosis...
> 
> http://hdpphd.blogspot.com.au/2015/01/lake-wollumboola-sand-plovers.html
> 
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Harvey
> Canberra
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Subject: Re: Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola
From: James Mustafa <jamesmustafamusic AT gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 21:22:06 +1100
I've just gone back through my photos and I too have shots of Greater Sand
Plover. Must have been too focussed on the White-rumped



On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 8:47 PM, Kev Lobotomi 
wrote:

> HI HarveyI saw both species there. There were 3 Greater SPs feeding and 3
> Lesser SPs roosting in the tern enclosure. It's just that the Greaters
> weren't reported. I was going to do it, but I forgot.-Kevin Bartram
>
> > Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:15:11 +1100
> > From: hdpphd AT gmail.com
> > To: birding-aus AT birding-aus.org; canberrabirds AT canberrabirds.org.au
> > Subject: [Birding-Aus] Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola
> >
> > With the spate of twitching of the White-rumped Sandpiper at Lake
> > Wollumboola over the past three weeks, there have been quite a few
> reports
> > of Lesser Sand Plovers there as well.
> >
> > After I posted on my blog about my trip there, I had an email from
> another
> > Birding-auser who thought the sand plovers he had seen were Greaters, not
> > Lessers. That crystalised a niggling doubt I had, so I had a closer look
> at
> > my photos. I've now put up a second post with these photos and conclude
> > that all the sand plovers I saw were in fact Greaters. At the risk of
> > potential embarrassment, I'd love to hear from anyone who'd like to
> either
> > confirm or shoot down my diagnosis...
> >
> > http://hdpphd.blogspot.com.au/2015/01/lake-wollumboola-sand-plovers.html
> >
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > Harvey
> > Canberra
> > 
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Subject: Re: Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola
From: Kev Lobotomi <kevlobotomi AT hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:47:51 +1100
HI HarveyI saw both species there. There were 3 Greater SPs feeding and 3 
Lesser SPs roosting in the tern enclosure. It's just that the Greaters weren't 
reported. I was going to do it, but I forgot.-Kevin Bartram 


> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:15:11 +1100
> From: hdpphd AT gmail.com
> To: birding-aus AT birding-aus.org; canberrabirds AT canberrabirds.org.au
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola
> 
> With the spate of twitching of the White-rumped Sandpiper at Lake
> Wollumboola over the past three weeks, there have been quite a few reports
> of Lesser Sand Plovers there as well.
> 
> After I posted on my blog about my trip there, I had an email from another
> Birding-auser who thought the sand plovers he had seen were Greaters, not
> Lessers. That crystalised a niggling doubt I had, so I had a closer look at
> my photos. I've now put up a second post with these photos and conclude
> that all the sand plovers I saw were in fact Greaters. At the risk of
> potential embarrassment, I'd love to hear from anyone who'd like to either
> confirm or shoot down my diagnosis...
> 
> http://hdpphd.blogspot.com.au/2015/01/lake-wollumboola-sand-plovers.html
> 
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Harvey
> Canberra
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Subject: Sand Plovers at Lake Wollumboola
From: Harvey Perkins <hdpphd AT gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:15:11 +1100
With the spate of twitching of the White-rumped Sandpiper at Lake
Wollumboola over the past three weeks, there have been quite a few reports
of Lesser Sand Plovers there as well.

After I posted on my blog about my trip there, I had an email from another
Birding-auser who thought the sand plovers he had seen were Greaters, not
Lessers. That crystalised a niggling doubt I had, so I had a closer look at
my photos. I've now put up a second post with these photos and conclude
that all the sand plovers I saw were in fact Greaters. At the risk of
potential embarrassment, I'd love to hear from anyone who'd like to either
confirm or shoot down my diagnosis...

http://hdpphd.blogspot.com.au/2015/01/lake-wollumboola-sand-plovers.html


cheers,

Harvey
Canberra


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Subject: White rumped sandpiper update
From: Rohan Clarke <rohan AT wildlifeimages.com.au>
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:12:39 +1100
Hi Bernie,
The directions remain unchanged from those posted on birding-aus about 
two and half weeks ago. The bird continues to be seen on the same short 
stretch of shoreline at Lake Wollumboula or roosting within the 
fenced-off Little Tern colony.

To access the site drive to the township of Culburra Beach (via Nowra), 
NSW. The main road into town is called the 'The Lake Circuit'. About 
halfway through town, to stay on this named road, you need to turn right 
(sounds odd but on checking a map it will make sense). Drive to the end 
of the 'The Lake Circuit' rd and there is a small carpark, picnic area 
and playground. Take the steps down to the lake (not the path that leads 
more directly to the beach), then walk south along the edge of the lake 
at the back of the beach. From the carpark it's about 450 m to the point 
were the bird has mostly been feeding - pretty much in line with the 
fenced off Little Tern colony. If it isn't there check amongst the 
roosting stint in the fenced-off Little Tern area.

Cheers,
Rohan



Hi All
I am planning on flying up this weekend to search for the White rumped 
SP. I know the general location but would be very appreciative if 
someone can give me precise directions! I have always been overwhelmed 
by the great response to my requests so I will thank you in advance!

Kind regards
Bernie OKeefe


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Subject: Re: mobbing behvaviour Birding-Aus Digest, Vol 15, Issue 24
From: Carl Clifford <carlsclifford AT gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 13:47:28 +1100
I wonder how birders who use call would feel, if someone turned up in their 
lounge room , claiming ownership of the property? 


Carl Clifford


> On 28 Jan 2015, at 1:33 pm, Ronda Green  wrote:
> 
> When I first purchased tapes of nocturnal bird calls many years ago I decided 
to see if any owls responded on our property, and played the calls of the 
powerful owl. Our barn owls had been calling, but immediately stopped, and we 
didn't hear them again for about 10 days. I had started to think we'd scared 
them off permanently, and wondered what else moved out of the district. It 
really put me off using calls for anything other than identification purposes, 
and later of course I've heard many examples of birds using excessive amounts 
of energy trying to attack intruders etc. I've since been advised to use 
powerful owl calls to elicit mobbing responses from yellow-bellied gliders (I'm 
coordinating a survey of gliders in the Scenic Rim) but am very reluctant to do 
so. International tourists sometimes ask me to call birds in with recordings 
because they have been with other guides who have habitually done so (usually 
outside of Australia), but I explain why I don't use them this way. 

> 
> Ronda
> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 10:48:37 +1000
>> From: "Alan Gillanders" 
>> To: "Terry Witt" ,
>>    
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Mobbing behavior
>> Message-ID: <715A7EF55CB34015B9C3186D111015D5 AT Ala>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>    reply-type=original
>> 
>> I am surprised that this email has not caused a mobbing behaviour from 
>> birders. It go my hackles up. We all interfere with the birds to some extent 

>> but this?
>> Alan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Alan's Wildlife Tours
>> 2 Mather Road
>> Yungaburra 4884
>> 
>> Phone 07 4095 3784
>> Mobile 0408 953 786
>> http://www.alanswildlifetours.com.au/
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Terry Witt
>> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 06:48 PM
>> To: birding-aus AT birding-aus.org
>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Mobbing behavior
>> 
>> I will be spending a month in S Australia Nov/Dec this year.  In the US, 
>> tape of E Screech-Owl can be very effective in attracting a variety of small 

>> birds (at least in the East).  Is there a similar species in S Oz that 
>> causes mobbing behavior??
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Terry Witt
>> Murfreesboro Tn, USA
>> 
>>
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Subject: Re: mobbing behvaviour Birding-Aus Digest, Vol 15, Issue 24
From: Ronda Green <platypuscorner AT bigpond.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 12:33:10 +1000
When I first purchased tapes of nocturnal bird calls many years ago I decided 
to see if any owls responded on our property, and played the calls of the 
powerful owl. Our barn owls had been calling, but immediately stopped, and we 
didn't hear them again for about 10 days. I had started to think we'd scared 
them off permanently, and wondered what else moved out of the district. It 
really put me off using calls for anything other than identification purposes, 
and later of course I've heard many examples of birds using excessive amounts 
of energy trying to attack intruders etc. I've since been advised to use 
powerful owl calls to elicit mobbing responses from yellow-bellied gliders (I'm 
coordinating a survey of gliders in the Scenic Rim) but am very reluctant to do 
so. International tourists sometimes ask me to call birds in with recordings 
because they have been with other guides who have habitually done so (usually 
outside of Australia), but I explain why I don't use them this way. 


Ronda

> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 10:48:37 +1000
> From: "Alan Gillanders" 
> To: "Terry Witt" ,
> 	
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Mobbing behavior
> Message-ID: <715A7EF55CB34015B9C3186D111015D5 AT Ala>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> 	reply-type=original
> 
> I am surprised that this email has not caused a mobbing behaviour from 
> birders. It go my hackles up. We all interfere with the birds to some extent 
> but this?
> Alan
> 
> 
> 
> Alan's Wildlife Tours
> 2 Mather Road
> Yungaburra 4884
> 
> Phone 07 4095 3784
> Mobile 0408 953 786
> http://www.alanswildlifetours.com.au/
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Terry Witt
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 06:48 PM
> To: birding-aus AT birding-aus.org
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Mobbing behavior
> 
> I will be spending a month in S Australia Nov/Dec this year.  In the US, 
> tape of E Screech-Owl can be very effective in attracting a variety of small 
> birds (at least in the East).  Is there a similar species in S Oz that 
> causes mobbing behavior??
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Terry Witt
> Murfreesboro Tn, USA
> 
>
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Subject: Trip to Panama
From: "Greg Roberts" <ninderry AT westnet.com.au>
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 10:26:27 +1000

Hi Birding Friends
Some of you have signed up for a 21-day trip to Panama this year from
October 1 to October 21. It will take in the major hotspots and focus
on tracking down such difficulties as Sapayoa, Rufous-vented
Ground-Cuckoo and Black-crowned Antpitta. In particular, special
efforts will be made to access the tricky specialties and endemics of
the Darien region by birding Cerro Pirre. We will have one of the
country's best birding guides with us.
I had the trip sewn up but somebody pulled out,. Although we again
have the numbers now, I've decided to expand the trip by two spots. If
anyone is keen, please message me and I'll send you the itinerary,
costs etc. Because the trip is being organised privately, it will be
done much more cheaply than trips being offered by the big birding
companies.
Thanks
Greg Roberts


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Subject: Re: Noisy Miner invasion
From: David Clark <meathead.clark5 AT gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 10:16:09 +1100
That must be why it's called Happy Valley Peter!

Cheers

David

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 9:29 AM, Peter Pfeiffer <
peter.pfeiffer AT flinders.edu.au> wrote:

> Interesting.
>
> South of Adelaide in Happy Valley we have had Noisy Miners for 20 years or
> more.
>
> We still get Eastern Spinebills, Spotted Pardalotes (nesting),
> White-plumed Honeyeaters, Red Wattlebirds and the odd Silvereye.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Peter.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Birding-Aus [mailto:birding-aus-bounces AT birding-aus.org] On Behalf
> Of David Clark
> Sent: Tuesday, 27 January 2015 5:32 PM
> To: Peter Shute; birding-aus
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Noisy Miner invasion
>
> Our experience was not as abrupt as Alf's, but with similar results.
>
> Small species such as Eastern Spinebills, Spotted Pardalotes, Silvereyes
> and White-plumed Honeyeaters disappeared from my house in Box Hill at the
> same time that Noisy Miners appeared.  Red Wattlebirds persisted for a
> couple of years and Little Wattlebirds lasted a year or two longer.
> Magpies, Grey Butcherbirds, Tawny Frogmouths and Little Ravens are still
> resident and Lorikeets, Cockatoos, Currawongs, Eastern Rosellas and Common
> Mynas are regular visitors.  Common Blackbirds are no longer common and are
> harassed when they appear.  Spotted Doves and Crested Pigeons are rarely
> seen now.
>
> Small flocks of Brown Thornbills occasionally try to forage in the thicker
> vegetation but are chased away.  Interestingly, a pair of Magpie-larks have
> just started visiting our backyard and we had a Laughing Kookaburra a
> couple of weeks ago.
>
> Cheers
>
> David
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 27 Jan 2015, at 1:35 pm, Peter Shute  wrote:
> >
> > This is from a recent Victorian Birdline report by Alf Forbes in Boronia:
> >
> > "This is a rather sad report. Last Friday, after 28 years on my semi
> bush block in Boronia, the first ever colony of Noisy Miners invaded my
> property. In the past they have been a rare itinerant but not now. As of
> today, a pair of nesting Blue Wrens have abandoned their nest and left the
> fledglings. All Striated and Brown Thornbills, Spotted Pardalotes, Grey
> Fantails, Yellow Faced Honeyeaters, Eastern Spinebills, Silvereyes and even
> the Red Wattlebirds are gone. In 3 days these daily sightings are no more.
> They are far worse than Indian Mynas. Love to know how to get rid of them."
> >
> > Are Noisy Miner invasions usually this abrupt?
> >
> > Peter Shute
> > 
> >
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Subject: Sydney Pelagic Saturday 14 February 2015
From: "Roger McGovern" <roglou AT bigpond.net.au>
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 10:05:35 +1100
Despite ongoing problems with boats, we now have finalised our 2015 schedule
for pelagic trips out of Sydney. We will be going out on the second Saturday
of each month and the dates and details can be seen on our new website at
http://www.sydneypelagics.info 

 

The first trip is scheduled for Saturday 14 February so please contact me or
Hal Epstein to make a booking.

 

A happy New Year to all and look forward to seeing you on the water.

 

Cheers

Roger 



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Subject: Re: Noisy Miner invasion
From: Peter Pfeiffer <peter.pfeiffer AT flinders.edu.au>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 22:29:43 +0000
Interesting.

South of Adelaide in Happy Valley we have had Noisy Miners for 20 years or 
more. 


We still get Eastern Spinebills, Spotted Pardalotes (nesting), White-plumed 
Honeyeaters, Red Wattlebirds and the odd Silvereye. 


Cheers,

Peter.



-----Original Message-----
From: Birding-Aus [mailto:birding-aus-bounces AT birding-aus.org] On Behalf Of 
David Clark 

Sent: Tuesday, 27 January 2015 5:32 PM
To: Peter Shute; birding-aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Noisy Miner invasion

Our experience was not as abrupt as Alf's, but with similar results.

Small species such as Eastern Spinebills, Spotted Pardalotes, Silvereyes and 
White-plumed Honeyeaters disappeared from my house in Box Hill at the same time 
that Noisy Miners appeared. Red Wattlebirds persisted for a couple of years and 
Little Wattlebirds lasted a year or two longer. Magpies, Grey Butcherbirds, 
Tawny Frogmouths and Little Ravens are still resident and Lorikeets, Cockatoos, 
Currawongs, Eastern Rosellas and Common Mynas are regular visitors. Common 
Blackbirds are no longer common and are harassed when they appear. Spotted 
Doves and Crested Pigeons are rarely seen now. 


Small flocks of Brown Thornbills occasionally try to forage in the thicker 
vegetation but are chased away. Interestingly, a pair of Magpie-larks have just 
started visiting our backyard and we had a Laughing Kookaburra a couple of 
weeks ago. 


Cheers

David

Sent from my iPad

> On 27 Jan 2015, at 1:35 pm, Peter Shute  wrote:
> 
> This is from a recent Victorian Birdline report by Alf Forbes in Boronia:
> 
> "This is a rather sad report. Last Friday, after 28 years on my semi bush 
block in Boronia, the first ever colony of Noisy Miners invaded my property. In 
the past they have been a rare itinerant but not now. As of today, a pair of 
nesting Blue Wrens have abandoned their nest and left the fledglings. All 
Striated and Brown Thornbills, Spotted Pardalotes, Grey Fantails, Yellow Faced 
Honeyeaters, Eastern Spinebills, Silvereyes and even the Red Wattlebirds are 
gone. In 3 days these daily sightings are no more. They are far worse than 
Indian Mynas. Love to know how to get rid of them." 

> 
> Are Noisy Miner invasions usually this abrupt?
> 
> Peter Shute
> 
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Subject: Re: Noisy Miner invasion
From: Charles <ccgfh AT yahoo.com.au>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 19:49:33 +1100
Tim Low's book "Where Song Began" has some excellent insight / views on the 
"The Ultimate Aggressor" (the Noisy Miner). 


Also good paper here:


http://www.latrobe..au/zoology/dept-of-zoology-documents/Final-low-res-LR-LatrobeUni-Birds-Broch.pdf 


Cheers,
Charles Hunter
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> On 27 Jan 2015, at 2:56 pm, Susan Knowles  wrote:
> 
> They moved into our suburban Sydney area over 40 years ago. At first I was 
pleased as the Indian Mynas disappeared, but then realised that all the small 
birds had gone too. 

> 
> When they moved into Woy Woy Bay (Central Coast) a friend tried to rescue a 
Satin Bowerbird they were attacking, but it didn’t survive. 

> 
> Not desirable birds
> 
> Susan Knowles
> sknowles46 AT aapt.net.au
> 
> 
> 
>> On 27 Jan 2015, at 1:35 pm, Peter Shute  wrote:
>> 
>> This is from a recent Victorian Birdline report by Alf Forbes in Boronia:
>> 
>> "This is a rather sad report. Last Friday, after 28 years on my semi bush 
block in Boronia, the first ever colony of Noisy Miners invaded my property. In 
the past they have been a rare itinerant but not now. As of today, a pair of 
nesting Blue Wrens have abandoned their nest and left the fledglings. All 
Striated and Brown Thornbills, Spotted Pardalotes, Grey Fantails, Yellow Faced 
Honeyeaters, Eastern Spinebills, Silvereyes and even the Red Wattlebirds are 
gone. In 3 days these daily sightings are no more. They are far worse than 
Indian Mynas. Love to know how to get rid of them." 

>> 
>> Are Noisy Miner invasions usually this abrupt?
>> 
>> Peter Shute
>> 
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Subject: White rumped sandpiper update
From: Bernard O'Keefe <b.okeefe AT cccc.vic.edu.au>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 09:00:49 +0000
Hi All
I am planning on flying up this weekend to search for the White rumped SP.
I know the general location but would be very appreciative if someone can give 
me precise directions! 

I have always been overwhelmed by the great response to my requests so I will 
thank you in advance! 

Kind regards
Bernie OKeefe


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Subject: Re: Noisy Miner invasion
From: David Clark <meathead.clark5 AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 18:01:56 +1100
Our experience was not as abrupt as Alf's, but with similar results.

Small species such as Eastern Spinebills, Spotted Pardalotes, Silvereyes and 
White-plumed Honeyeaters disappeared from my house in Box Hill at the same time 
that Noisy Miners appeared. Red Wattlebirds persisted for a couple of years and 
Little Wattlebirds lasted a year or two longer. Magpies, Grey Butcherbirds, 
Tawny Frogmouths and Little Ravens are still resident and Lorikeets, Cockatoos, 
Currawongs, Eastern Rosellas and Common Mynas are regular visitors. Common 
Blackbirds are no longer common and are harassed when they appear. Spotted 
Doves and Crested Pigeons are rarely seen now. 


Small flocks of Brown Thornbills occasionally try to forage in the thicker 
vegetation but are chased away. Interestingly, a pair of Magpie-larks have just 
started visiting our backyard and we had a Laughing Kookaburra a couple of 
weeks ago. 


Cheers

David

Sent from my iPad

> On 27 Jan 2015, at 1:35 pm, Peter Shute  wrote:
> 
> This is from a recent Victorian Birdline report by Alf Forbes in Boronia:
> 
> "This is a rather sad report. Last Friday, after 28 years on my semi bush 
block in Boronia, the first ever colony of Noisy Miners invaded my property. In 
the past they have been a rare itinerant but not now. As of today, a pair of 
nesting Blue Wrens have abandoned their nest and left the fledglings. All 
Striated and Brown Thornbills, Spotted Pardalotes, Grey Fantails, Yellow Faced 
Honeyeaters, Eastern Spinebills, Silvereyes and even the Red Wattlebirds are 
gone. In 3 days these daily sightings are no more. They are far worse than 
Indian Mynas. Love to know how to get rid of them." 

> 
> Are Noisy Miner invasions usually this abrupt?
> 
> Peter Shute
> 
>
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