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American Goldfinches,©Julie Zickefoose

4 Jul Re: Is there much raptor persecution in Australia? [Chris Sanderson ]
04 Jul birds' vision []
04 Jul Chough threat display []
4 Jul Analysis of 2008 IUCN Red List released ["Paul Dodd" ]
4 Jul RE: Fwd: Birding NSW Birding Bulletin #20 ["Stephen Ambrose" ]
4 Jul Is there much raptor persecution in Australia? [L&L Knight ]
3 Jul RE: RFI: Tyto owl nestboxes ["storm" ]
3 Jul Re: RFI: Tyto owl nestboxes ["Rosemary Royle" ]
3 Jul RE: Fwd: Birding NSW Birding Bulletin #20 ["Paul Dodd" ]
3 Jul Re: Princess Adventure ["Donald G. Kimball" ]
3 Jul Lynton Auld is out of the office []
3 Jul RE: Mudgee info / help with raptor ID ["Tony Russell" ]
03 Jul Fwd: Birding NSW Birding Bulletin #20 [Alan McBride ]
3 Jul Fw: Fw: Mudgee info / help with raptor ID ["Shirley Cook" ]
3 Jul Re: Mt Lyndhurst Station details ["Jackett family" ]
03 Jul Re: Mt Lyndhurst Station details [Alan McBride ]
3 Jul Re: Mudgee info / help with raptor ID [David Richardson ]
3 Jul Mt Lyndhurst Station details [David Stowe ]
3 Jul RE: Mudgee info / help with raptor ID ["Tim Dolby" ]
3 Jul Re: RFI Oodnadatta track, Tanami, Pilbara ["Trevor Cowie" ]
3 Jul RE: Mudgee info / help with raptor ID ["Tony Russell" ]
3 Jul RE: Mudgee info / help with raptor ID ["Tony Russell" ]
2 Jul Princess Parrots near Jupiter Well [Jon King ]
3 Jul Re: Mudgee info / help with raptor ID [David Stowe ]
2 Jul Re: Mudgee info / help with raptor ID [David Richardson ]
3 Jul Re: RFI Oodnadatta track, Tanami, Pilbara ["Paul & Irene Osborn" ]
03 Jul RFI Oodnadatta track, Tanami, Pilbara [Julian Robinson ]
3 Jul Dusky Warbler on Christmas Island; new for Australia ["Mike Carter" ]
3 Jul Re: RFI Oodnadatta track, Tanami, Pilbara [David Stowe ]
3 Jul Re: Mudgee info / help with raptor ID [David Stowe ]
03 Jul RFI Oodnadatta track, Tanami, Pilbara [julian ]
3 Jul Re: Mudgee info / help with raptor ID ["Trevor Cowie" ]
3 Jul Re: Desperate bid to save finches that changed the world ["michael norris" ]
2 Jul RFI: Tyto owl nestboxes [Chris Sanderson ]
2 Jul Pelagic survey off Port Stephens 02-07-09 [Mick Roderick ]
2 Jul Re: Mudgee info / help with raptor ID [David Stowe ]
2 Jul RE: Mudgee info / help with raptor ID ["Arwen B. Ximenes" ]
2 Jul Re: Mudgee info / help with raptor ID [Nikolas Haass ]
2 Jul Re: Mudgee info / help with raptor ID [David Richardson ]
2 Jul Mudgee info / help with raptor ID ["Arwen B. Ximenes" ]
2 Jul Re: Archive problems ["Arwen B. Ximenes" ]
02 Jul Re: Marbled vs Tawny Frogmouth [Syd Curtis ]
2 Jul Re: FW: Birding for Beginners ["Shirley Cook" ]
2 Jul Fw: Fw: Marbled vs Tawny Frogmouth ["Shirley Cook" ]
2 Jul Re: Re: Creationist explanation for bloodthirsty Darwin's Finches [L&L Knight ]
2 Jul Re: Creationist explanation for bloodthirsty Darwin's Finches []
1 Jul Re: Desperate bid to save finches that changed the world [Carl Clifford ]
1 Jul Creationist explanation for bloodthirsty Darwin's Finches [Steve ]
1 Jul RE: Desperate bid to save finches that changed the world [Peter Shute ]
1 Jul Re: Desperate bid to save finches that changed the world [Carl Clifford ]
01 Jul Re: Archive problems [Frank O'Connor ]
1 Jul Re: Desperate bid to save finches that changed the world [Carl Clifford ]
1 Jul Re: Desperate bid to save finches that changed the world [L&L Knight ]
1 Jul Re: Archive problems [Carl Clifford ]
1 Jul Desperate bid to save finches that changed the world [L&L Knight ]
01 Jul Archive problems ["maxb99 AT iinet.net.au" ]
1 Jul Re: Archive problems [Andrew Taylor ]
1 Jul Re: Archive problems [Peter Shute ]
1 Jul Re: Oops, I can't spell ["McGowan, John" ]
1 Jul FW: Birding for beginners ["Bill Stent" ]
1 Jul Archive problems ["Roger Giller" ]
1 Jul FW: Birding for Beginners ["Bill Stent" ]
01 Jul Re: Oops, I can't spell [Alan McBride ]
1 Jul Oops, I can't spell ["Mark Clayton" ]
01 Jul Re: Marbled vs Tawny Frogmouth [Syd Curtis ]
1 Jul RFI Los Vegas - Thanks ["Mark Clayton" ]
01 Jul Re: Regent Bowerbird [Syd Curtis ]
1 Jul Re: Marbled vs Tawny Frogmouth ["Chris Corben" ]
1 Jul Regent Bowerbirds Central Coast ["Michael Hunter" ]
1 Jul Marbled vs Tawny Frogmouth [Tony Eales ]
01 Jul Southport Pelagics. ["Paul Walbridge" ]
1 Jul RE: Fiji ["Tony Russell" ]
1 Jul Sound recordings of magpie and pied currawong? ["Cas and Lisa Liber" ]
30 Jun Fiji ["David Kowalick" ]
30 Jun RE: UPDATE - Lord Howe Island Rodent Control [Simon Mustoe ]
30 Jun Sightings of Banded Lapwings - request for next 4 years [Damien Farine ]

Subject: Re: Is there much raptor persecution in Australia?
From: Chris Sanderson <chris.sanderson AT gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:44:03 +1000
Hi Laurie,

The short answer is yes, particularly of Wedge-tailed Eagles in sheep
country.  It's more underground than it used to be (they used to string the
carcasses up on their fences), as nowadays public opinion is more against
them as are the laws.  However small-minded persecution of raptors is alive
and well.

Regards,
Chris

On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 8:58 AM, L&L Knight  wrote:

> It appears that many species of raptors in the UK are subject to
> persecution in the UK.  This is the latest example
> 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jul/01/peregrine-falcons-persecution 

>
> I don't recall many news items on the subject in Australia.  Is it much  of
> an issue here?
>
> Regards, Laurie.
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Subject: birds' vision
From: calyptorhynchus AT gmail.com
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 02:00:56 +0000
This though occurred to me today when I was watching a Suphur-crested  
Cockatoo on the local oval. It was approaching a potential piece of food  
and it turned its head to look at it closely, then turned its head the  
other way to look with the other eye. I realised that this is a common  
movement with other parrots and birds that I see regularly.

My question is, why do they do it? Do birds with non-binocular eyesight  
have differential vision in each eye (different focus length or something?)  
If they don't, why do they look with each eye in turn, as what the see  
would be the same?

John Leonard
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Subject: Chough threat display
From: calyptorhynchus AT gmail.com
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 01:56:48 +0000
I haven't seen this before despite seeing Choughs almost every day in our  
part of suburban Canberra...

A small party of Choughs flew into a low tree and were immediately ambushed  
by Noisy Miners, Magpies and Currawongs. They were heavily outnumbered and  
quite stressed. Suddenly three of them lined up on a branch and fluffed  
their body feathers up, raising their wings to display their white wing  
patches. I happened to be in line of sight and it was an impressive  
transformation. The bird mobbing them were momentarily confused and the  
Choughs made their escape.

John Leonard
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Subject: Analysis of 2008 IUCN Red List released
From: "Paul Dodd" <paul AT angrybluecat.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 09:19:22 +1000
Some depressing reading as the IUCN have released their 4-yearly analysis of
the Red List yesterday. See
http://www.iucn.org/news_events/?3460/Wildlife-crisis-worse-than-economic-cr
isis--IUCN for the press release and
http://data.iucn.org/dbtw-wpd/edocs/RL-2009-001.pdf for the report itself.

 

Some salient points:

 

The 2010 international governments' targets on reducing biodiversity loss
will not be met

1 in 3 amphibian, 1 in 4 mammal and 1 in 8 bird species worldwide are
threatened with extinction

In Australia, 24 of our 299 endemic bird species are threatened

 

Paul Dodd

Docklands, Victoria

 

 

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Subject: RE: Fwd: Birding NSW Birding Bulletin #20
From: "Stephen Ambrose" <sambrose AT pacific.net.au>
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 09:08:32 +1000
The NSW media are saying that Carmel Tebbutt is at risk of losing her seat
to the Greens at the next election (not until 2011). This makes it even more
important to lobby her office, particularly if you live in her electorate,
because she's likely to want to appease her constituency.

Stephen Ambrose
Ryde, NSW


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[mailto:birding-aus-bounces AT vicnet.net.au] On Behalf Of Paul Dodd
Sent: Friday, 3 July 2009 6:00 PM
To: 'Alan McBride'; 'Birding Aus'
Subject: RE: [Birding-Aus] Fwd: Birding NSW Birding Bulletin #20

This issue just won't go away. The vote has been deferred to September, and
the information I have suggests that the NSW Government is unlikely to
support the Shooters Party Bill. That being said, politics is all about
scratching someone's back in order to have one's own back scratched later.
There are at least two other bills for which the Government will require
support from one of the minority parties also pending in September.

As the author says, please write the appropriate members in NSW - The
Premier, Nathan Rees: thepremier AT www.nsw.gov.au; and the Minister for
Climate Change and The Environment, Carmel Tebbutt:
dp.office AT tebbutt.minister.nsw.gov.au

Remember, every letter, every email helps. What will ultimately sway the
vote will be public opinion.

Thanks,

Paul Dodd
Docklands, Victoria



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To: Birding Aus
Subject: [Birding-Aus] Fwd: Birding NSW Birding Bulletin #20

FYI Birding Aus:

This in today's Birding NSW e-newsletter.

Best

Alan


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----- Original Message -----
From: Birding NSW
To: Keith Morris
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 11:39 PM
Subject: Birding Bulletin #20

BIRDING BULLETIN No.20, 3 July 2009

Dear Birding NSW members
Here are your Club events for the next fortnight, plus some other  
activities you might be interested in getting involved with.

Bits deleted:-)


OTHER BIRDING NEWS AND EVENTS

Game and Feral Animal Amendment Bill 2009
No doubt all Birding NSW members are astounded by the likelihood that  
the NSW State Parliament will pass this Bill, which was proposed by  
the Shooters Party. It has serious implications for other States as  
well, as once the concept of hunting native wildlife in National Parks  
is accepted in NSW we can expect it to be taken up elsewhere. Richard  
Hunter, the CEO of Bird Observation & Conservation Australia (BOCA)  
has forwarded us a copy of the letter that BOCA has sent to NSW MPs.  
The Conservation sub-committee of Birding NSW is also sending a  
letter. If you would like to send a personal letter to the Premier or  
your local MP and would like to see the BOCA letter as a guide for  
wording, let me know at the following Birding NSW email address
birdingnsw AT yahoo.com.au

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Subject: Is there much raptor persecution in Australia?
From: L&L Knight <l.knight AT optusnet.com.au>
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 08:58:37 +1000
It appears that many species of raptors in the UK are subject to  
persecution in the UK. This is the latest example 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jul/01/peregrine-falcons-persecution 


I don't recall many news items on the subject in Australia.  Is it  
much  of an issue here?

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Subject: RE: RFI: Tyto owl nestboxes
From: "storm" <miss_megan AT internode.on.net>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 21:17:29 +1000
I understand hollow log homes provide nest boxes for owls and other animals

http://www.hollowloghomes.com.au/nHome.htm

They are a commercial enterprise - I do not know anything of them except
from  their website.

cheers
storm

  ----- Original Message -----
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  To: Birding-Aus (Forum)
  Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 2:18 PM
  Subject: [Birding-Aus] RFI: Tyto owl nestboxes


  Hi all,

  I'm hoping someone can point me towards some information on nest boxes for
  Tyto owls.  Australian Barn and Masked specifically.  I have some friends
  who run a farm who are looking for natural methods to control rodents in
the
  area, and have some good timber in the area, but sadly nothing old enough
to
  contain hollows.

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Subject: Re: RFI: Tyto owl nestboxes
From: "Rosemary Royle" <rosemaryroyle AT tiscali.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 10:49:36 +0100
Have a look at this website - I know it's for UK Barn Owls but it might be 
useful. 


http://www.barnowltrust.org.uk/index.html

Rosemary Royle

Wales, UK
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  Hi all,

  I'm hoping someone can point me towards some information on nest boxes for
  Tyto owls.  Australian Barn and Masked specifically.  I have some friends
  who run a farm who are looking for natural methods to control rodents in the
  area, and have some good timber in the area, but sadly nothing old enough to
  contain hollows.

  Regards,
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Subject: RE: Fwd: Birding NSW Birding Bulletin #20
From: "Paul Dodd" <paul AT angrybluecat.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 18:00:10 +1000
This issue just won't go away. The vote has been deferred to September, and
the information I have suggests that the NSW Government is unlikely to
support the Shooters Party Bill. That being said, politics is all about
scratching someone's back in order to have one's own back scratched later.
There are at least two other bills for which the Government will require
support from one of the minority parties also pending in September.

As the author says, please write the appropriate members in NSW - The
Premier, Nathan Rees: thepremier AT www.nsw.gov.au; and the Minister for
Climate Change and The Environment, Carmel Tebbutt:
dp.office AT tebbutt.minister.nsw.gov.au

Remember, every letter, every email helps. What will ultimately sway the
vote will be public opinion.

Thanks,

Paul Dodd
Docklands, Victoria



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Sent: Friday, 3 July 2009 3:50 PM
To: Birding Aus
Subject: [Birding-Aus] Fwd: Birding NSW Birding Bulletin #20

FYI Birding Aus:

This in today's Birding NSW e-newsletter.

Best

Alan


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----- Original Message -----
From: Birding NSW
To: Keith Morris
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 11:39 PM
Subject: Birding Bulletin #20

BIRDING BULLETIN No.20, 3 July 2009

Dear Birding NSW members
Here are your Club events for the next fortnight, plus some other  
activities you might be interested in getting involved with.

Bits deleted:-)


OTHER BIRDING NEWS AND EVENTS

Game and Feral Animal Amendment Bill 2009
No doubt all Birding NSW members are astounded by the likelihood that  
the NSW State Parliament will pass this Bill, which was proposed by  
the Shooters Party. It has serious implications for other States as  
well, as once the concept of hunting native wildlife in National Parks  
is accepted in NSW we can expect it to be taken up elsewhere. Richard  
Hunter, the CEO of Bird Observation & Conservation Australia (BOCA)  
has forwarded us a copy of the letter that BOCA has sent to NSW MPs.  
The Conservation sub-committee of Birding NSW is also sending a  
letter. If you would like to send a personal letter to the Premier or  
your local MP and would like to see the BOCA letter as a guide for  
wording, let me know at the following Birding NSW email address
birdingnsw AT yahoo.com.au

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Subject: Re: Princess Adventure
From: "Donald G. Kimball" <ibwonet1 AT gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 00:40:34 -0700
A whole hearted congratulations Jon on your Princess sightings!  This is a
fantastic accomplishment and I was on the edge of my seat here at the
computer reading the details.  Having seen Princess in Sept of 2008 in the
same general area I can vouch for the area's serenity and beauty.  It was
personally one of the most exciting birding experiences of my life.  I am
ecstatic as I read about your sighting and again offer my sincere
congratulations!  A gorgeous parrot and one not easy to find and you did it!

Cheers!

Don Kimball

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Subject: Lynton Auld is out of the office
From: Lynton.Auld AT dubbo.nsw.gov.au
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 16:01:58 +1000
I will be out of the office starting  03/07/2009 and will not return until
28/07/2009.

I will respond to your message when I return.

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Subject: RE: Mudgee info / help with raptor ID
From: "Tony Russell" <pratincole AT esc.net.au>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:52:21 +0930
OK, no dramas. I just wouldn't put my money on it that's all.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Dolby [mailto:Tim.Dolby AT vu.edu.au] 
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 1:48 PM
To: Tony Russell; David Stowe; David Richardson
Cc: birding-aus AT vicnet.net.au; Arwen B. Ximenes
Subject: RE: [Birding-Aus] Mudgee info / help with raptor ID



Sorry to disagree Tony, this bird is clearly a pale morph Little Eagle.

Once you zoom into the image twice (by clicking on the image once and
then select 'ALL SIZE') the head and upper chest are cinnamon buff, the
underbody a buffy white, and the wing coverts are a pale whitish brown.
The shape is also very eagle like and so is the size. Arwen's bird looks
almost identical to the bird in the following image:

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/28442702 AT N00/2510422989/

It is also very like the bird on the Birds in Backyard website. This
site appears to crashed for the moment - however you can access the link
at:

  http://tinyurl.com/ltezzq

Cheers,

Tim


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Cc: birding-aus AT vicnet.net.au; 'Arwen B. Ximenes'
Subject: RE: [Birding-Aus] Mudgee info / help with raptor ID

I did this and I still reckon it's far too small and indistinct to say
too much about it. Pure guesswork fellas.

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Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 11:35 AM
To: David Richardson
Cc: birding-aus AT vicnet.net.au; Arwen B. Ximenes
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Mudgee info / help with raptor ID


When you click on the image there is a little box top left with a 
magnifying glass saying "all sizes". Click on that to bring up the 
largest size available. This gives alot more detail than the first 
thumbnail.
The only things not properly visible from that that i have mentioned 
are the bill colour and tail barring. These are really only properly 
visible if you then "Download large size" and open the image in 
another program and zoom in a bit more. Although the fact that the 
undertail is dark rather than white is enough from the small image. (I
only briefly copied the image to my desktop for the purposes of ID 
and then deleted the file.)

Cheers
Dave


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Subject: Fwd: Birding NSW Birding Bulletin #20
From: Alan McBride <amcbride1 AT me.com>
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:50:18 +1000
FYI Birding Aus:

This in today's Birding NSW e-newsletter.

Best

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Begin forwarded message:
----- Original Message -----
From: Birding NSW
To: Keith Morris
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 11:39 PM
Subject: Birding Bulletin #20

BIRDING BULLETIN No.20, 3 July 2009

Dear Birding NSW members
Here are your Club events for the next fortnight, plus some other  
activities you might be interested in getting involved with.

Bits deleted:-)


OTHER BIRDING NEWS AND EVENTS

Game and Feral Animal Amendment Bill 2009
No doubt all Birding NSW members are astounded by the likelihood that  
the NSW State Parliament will pass this Bill, which was proposed by  
the Shooters Party. It has serious implications for other States as  
well, as once the concept of hunting native wildlife in National Parks  
is accepted in NSW we can expect it to be taken up elsewhere. Richard  
Hunter, the CEO of Bird Observation & Conservation Australia (BOCA)  
has forwarded us a copy of the letter that BOCA has sent to NSW MPs.  
The Conservation sub-committee of Birding NSW is also sending a  
letter. If you would like to send a personal letter to the Premier or  
your local MP and would like to see the BOCA letter as a guide for  
wording, let me know at the following Birding NSW email address 
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Subject: Fw: Fw: Mudgee info / help with raptor ID
From: "Shirley Cook" <shirleycook1 AT bigpond.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 14:55:22 +1000
Dear all,

>From Steve Debus FYI
Regards
Shirley

Shirley Cook
Secretary/Treasurer
Birds Australia (Northern NSW)
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Debus" 
To: "Shirley Cook" 
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [Birding-Aus] Mudgee info / help with raptor ID


Hi Shirley,

Little Eagle, light morph.  The pale shoulder
band and rusty head are discernible, and the
build and relative lengths of wing tips/tail fit this species.

Cheers,

Steve




At 08:34 AM 3/07/09, you wrote:
>For your comment
>
>Shirley Cook
>Secretary/Treasurer
>Birds Australia (Northern NSW)
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Arwen B. Ximenes" 
>To: 
>Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 7:37 PM
>Subject: [Birding-Aus] Mudgee info / help with raptor ID
>
>
>
>Hi there,
>
>We had a great weekend away in Mudgee last
>weekend. Thanks to all those who answered my
>RFI. Though we didn't spend time doing any
>serious birding, it was so nice to enter a
>different birdscape  without a doubt the bird
>of the trip was the Yellow-rumped Thornbill. We
>saw them EVERYWHERE, starting at the rest area
>in Capertee, and of course they don't occur
>where we are in the Blue Mountains, so it was a
>lovely sight (and sound) - albeit common in that
>area. On the way up we dipped on Regent
>Honeyeater at Crown Station Road in the Capertee
>Valley, although Carol Probets, who we bumped
>into there, found one - so the Noisy Miners
>haven't driven them out entirely. We saw plenty
>of Wedgies and a flock of at least 25
>Yellow-tailed Black Cockatoos flew over on
>Saturday.Aside from the Jacky Winters, the birds
>at Munghorn Gap were on strike while we were there.
>
>For those interested in birding in the Mudgee
>region, there is a brochure available from
>Mudgee tourism called "Bird Watching in the
>Mid-Western Region of NSW", which I believe is
>produced in conjunction with Cudgegong Field
>Naturalists. It's a great resource for those who
>are unfamiliar with the area and its birds.
>
>On the way back to the Blue Mountains we saw a
>raptor perched in a tree  I wonder if anyone
>can help me identify it? You can hopefully find
>it at:
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/30308243 AT N07/
>(called "unidentified raptor"). I do hope
>there's enough detail there, it's a very poor shot.
>cheers,
>
>Arwen
>
>
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Subject: Re: Mt Lyndhurst Station details
From: "Jackett family" <whipbird AT bigpond.net.au>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 14:56:05 +1000
Hi all

We camped one very cold and windy night at the sight near the mine with 
permission in May this year.  No luck seeing the CBWF (a possible glimse?) 
after clamouring around the hills and depressions for quite a few hours.  We 
gave up due to the icy wind.  There was shearing going on when we arrived 
and during these times the quarters are not available so you may need to 
check before you go unless you are happy to camp which in better weather, 
would have been great.  We still paid $20 regardless.

Regards

Carla Jackett


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Stowe" 
To: "Trevor Cowie" 
Cc: "Julian Robinson" ; "Birding Aus" 

Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 2:40 PM
Subject: [Birding-Aus] Mt Lyndhurst Station details


> Hi all,
> Details for the owner of Mt Lyndhurst station below. These were  current 
> late last year - happy to be corrected if they have changed?
>
> Bill Baade
> Mt Lyndhurst Station
> Mt Lyndhurst + 61 8 8757 4061
> mobile + 61 417 824 879
>
>
> Bill seems happy to have birders on the property but does ask for a  small 
> fee ($20 last year) and letting him know you are coming. The $20  included 
> accommodation at the shearers quarters if you wanted as well.
>
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
> On 03/07/2009, at 2:21 PM, Trevor Cowie wrote:
>
> Hi Julian and others interested
>
> The Springs are called Coward. With nice warm water flowing.
>
> The Pub at Williams Creek is well worth a look inside the Bar normally 
> just open to see.
>
> I would caution however the state the roads may be in following the  real 
> rains we have been receiving over the past 7 to 10 days.
> Please ensure you check this out before you travel.
>
> Also you need permission to enter the T & T site east of Lyndhurst. I  do 
> not have the details but may well be in the birding-aus archives.
>
> Regards  Trevor Cowie
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian Robinson" 
>  >
> To: "Birding Aus" 
> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 8:46 AM
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] RFI Oodnadatta track, Tanami, Pilbara
>
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I'll be travelling from Canberra to Alice Springs reasonably quickly  in 
>> a week's time, via Oodnadatta Track Maree - Marla. I'd be  grateful for 
>> any info on "must sees" or good places to bird  generally on that 
>> stretch.
>>
>> Then across Tanami, Bungles, south edge of Kimberleys and later  Pilbara 
>> based at Karijini NP.
>>
>> Apart from Newhaven and Broome (already on itinerary) would also 
>> appreciate any good birds or spots from Tanami to Broome, and in the 
>> Pilbara.   (We won't be in a position to go to Mornington).
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>> Julian
>> Canberra
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Subject: Re: Mt Lyndhurst Station details
From: Alan McBride <amcbride1 AT me.com>
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:49:53 +1000
Well worth it, lovely guy and likes birds to boot. Fee seems fair  
(fare: sic.  ;-) )  considering what some parks charge ;-)

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On 03/07/2009, at 14:40 , David Stowe wrote:

Hi all,
Details for the owner of Mt Lyndhurst station below. These were  
current late last year - happy to be corrected if they have changed?

Bill Baade
Mt Lyndhurst Station
	Mt Lyndhurst	+ 61 8 8757 4061
	mobile	+ 61 417 824 879


Bill seems happy to have birders on the property but does ask for a  
small fee ($20 last year) and letting him know you are coming. The $20  
included accommodation at the shearers quarters if you wanted as well.


Cheers
Dave

On 03/07/2009, at 2:21 PM, Trevor Cowie wrote:

Hi Julian and others interested

The Springs are called Coward. With nice warm water flowing.

The Pub at Williams Creek is well worth a look inside the Bar normally  
just open to see.

I would caution however the state the roads may be in following the  
real rains we have been receiving over the past 7 to 10 days.
Please ensure you check this out before you travel.

Also you need permission to enter the T & T site east of Lyndhurst. I  
do not have the details but may well be in the birding-aus archives.

Regards  Trevor Cowie


----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian Robinson" 

To: "Birding Aus" 
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 8:46 AM
Subject: [Birding-Aus] RFI Oodnadatta track, Tanami, Pilbara


> Hi all
>
> I'll be travelling from Canberra to Alice Springs reasonably quickly  
> in a week's time, via Oodnadatta Track Maree - Marla. I'd be  
> grateful for any info on "must sees" or good places to bird  
> generally on that stretch.
>
> Then across Tanami, Bungles, south edge of Kimberleys and later  
> Pilbara based at Karijini NP.
>
> Apart from Newhaven and Broome (already on itinerary) would also  
> appreciate any good birds or spots from Tanami to Broome, and in the  
> Pilbara.   (We won't be in a position to go to Mornington).
>
> Thanks in advance
> Julian
> Canberra
>
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Subject: Re: Mudgee info / help with raptor ID
From: David Richardson <albatrossvaldez AT gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 14:46:45 +1000
Thanks David Stowe, and Tim Dolby.
I didnt know I could make the picture bigger, Ive only just figured out that
I can click on the blue writting and get the pictures and have been looking
at whatever first comes up. A lot of squinting. I dont understand a few of
the terms in Davids email about how he viewed the picture--"thumb-nail" for
instance--and have a lot to learn about computers. But I can see a bit more
now I know to click twice. Id just thrown up the kite because thats just
what first came into my head from the first picture, and just for fun to
kick things off which is why I ended my suggestion with a ?.
Quite happy to be wrong and thanks for the computer pointers.

David

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Tim Dolby  wrote:

>  Sorry to disagree Tony, this bird is clearly a pale morph Little Eagle.
>
> Once you zoom into the image twice (by clicking on the image once and then
> select 'ALL SIZE') the head and upper chest are cinnamon buff, the underbody
> a buffy white, and the wing coverts are a pale whitish brown. The shape is
> also very eagle like and so is the size. Arwen's bird looks almost identical
> to the bird in the following image:
>
>   http://www.flickr.com/photos/28442702 AT N00/2510422989/
>
> It is also very like the bird on the Birds in Backyard website. This site
> appears to crashed for the moment - however you can access the link at:
>
>   http://tinyurl.com/ltezzq
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: birding-aus-bounces AT vicnet.net.au on behalf of Tony Russell
> Sent: Fri 03/07/2009 13:22
> To: 'David Stowe'; 'David Richardson'
> Cc: birding-aus AT vicnet.net.au; 'Arwen B. Ximenes'
>  Subject: RE: [Birding-Aus] Mudgee info / help with raptor ID
>
> I did this and I still reckon it's far too small and indistinct to say
> too much about it. Pure guesswork fellas.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: birding-aus-bounces AT vicnet.net.au
> [mailto:birding-aus-bounces AT vicnet.net.au]
> On Behalf Of David Stowe
> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 11:35 AM
> To: David Richardson
> Cc: birding-aus AT vicnet.net.au; Arwen B. Ximenes
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Mudgee info / help with raptor ID
>
>
> When you click on the image there is a little box top left with a
> magnifying glass saying "all sizes". Click on that to bring up the
> largest size available. This gives alot more detail than the first
> thumbnail.
> The only things not properly visible from that that i have mentioned
> are the bill colour and tail barring. These are really only properly
> visible if you then "Download large size" and open the image in
> another program and zoom in a bit more. Although the fact that the
> undertail is dark rather than white is enough from the small image. (I
> only briefly copied the image to my desktop for the purposes of ID
> and then deleted the file.)
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
>
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Subject: Mt Lyndhurst Station details
From: David Stowe <davidstowe AT optusnet.com.au>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 14:40:17 +1000
Hi all,
Details for the owner of Mt Lyndhurst station below. These were  
current late last year - happy to be corrected if they have changed?

Bill Baade
Mt Lyndhurst Station
	Mt Lyndhurst	+ 61 8 8757 4061
	mobile	+ 61 417 824 879


Bill seems happy to have birders on the property but does ask for a  
small fee ($20 last year) and letting him know you are coming. The $20  
included accommodation at the shearers quarters if you wanted as well.


Cheers
Dave

On 03/07/2009, at 2:21 PM, Trevor Cowie wrote:

Hi Julian and others interested

The Springs are called Coward. With nice warm water flowing.

The Pub at Williams Creek is well worth a look inside the Bar normally  
just open to see.

I would caution however the state the roads may be in following the  
real rains we have been receiving over the past 7 to 10 days.
Please ensure you check this out before you travel.

Also you need permission to enter the T & T site east of Lyndhurst. I  
do not have the details but may well be in the birding-aus archives.

Regards  Trevor Cowie


----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian Robinson" 

To: "Birding Aus" 
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 8:46 AM
Subject: [Birding-Aus] RFI Oodnadatta track, Tanami, Pilbara


> Hi all
>
> I'll be travelling from Canberra to Alice Springs reasonably quickly  
> in a week's time, via Oodnadatta Track Maree - Marla. I'd be  
> grateful for any info on "must sees" or good places to bird  
> generally on that stretch.
>
> Then across Tanami, Bungles, south edge of Kimberleys and later  
> Pilbara based at Karijini NP.
>
> Apart from Newhaven and Broome (already on itinerary) would also  
> appreciate any good birds or spots from Tanami to Broome, and in the  
> Pilbara.   (We won't be in a position to go to Mornington).
>
> Thanks in advance
> Julian
> Canberra
>
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Subject: RE: Mudgee info / help with raptor ID
From: "Tim Dolby" <Tim.Dolby AT vu.edu.au>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 14:18:26 +1000
Sorry to disagree Tony, this bird is clearly a pale morph Little Eagle. 

Once you zoom into the image twice (by clicking on the image once and then 
select 'ALL SIZE') the head and upper chest are cinnamon buff, the underbody a 
buffy white, and the wing coverts are a pale whitish brown. The shape is also 
very eagle like and so is the size. Arwen's bird looks almost identical to the 
bird in the following image: 


  http://www.flickr.com/photos/28442702 AT N00/2510422989/

It is also very like the bird on the Birds in Backyard website. This site 
appears to crashed for the moment - however you can access the link at: 


  http://tinyurl.com/ltezzq

Cheers, 

Tim


-----Original Message-----
From: birding-aus-bounces AT vicnet.net.au on behalf of Tony Russell
Sent: Fri 03/07/2009 13:22
To: 'David Stowe'; 'David Richardson'
Cc: birding-aus AT vicnet.net.au; 'Arwen B. Ximenes'
Subject: RE: [Birding-Aus] Mudgee info / help with raptor ID
 
I did this and I still reckon it's far too small and indistinct to say
too much about it. Pure guesswork fellas.

-----Original Message-----
From: birding-aus-bounces AT vicnet.net.au
[mailto:birding-aus-bounces AT vicnet.net.au] On Behalf Of David Stowe
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 11:35 AM
To: David Richardson
Cc: birding-aus AT vicnet.net.au; Arwen B. Ximenes
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Mudgee info / help with raptor ID


When you click on the image there is a little box top left with a  
magnifying glass saying "all sizes". Click on that to bring up the  
largest size available. This gives alot more detail than the first  
thumbnail.
The only things not properly visible from that that i have mentioned  
are the bill colour and tail barring. These are really only properly  
visible if you then "Download large size" and open the image in  
another program and zoom in a bit more. Although the fact that the  
undertail is dark rather than white is enough from the small image. (I
only briefly copied the image to my desktop for the purposes of ID  
and then deleted the file.)

Cheers
Dave


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Subject: Re: RFI Oodnadatta track, Tanami, Pilbara
From: "Trevor Cowie" <birdos_sa AT bigpond.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 13:51:38 +0930
Hi Julian and others interested

The Springs are called Coward. With nice warm water flowing.

The Pub at Williams Creek is well worth a look inside the Bar normally just 
open to see.

I would caution however the state the roads may be in following the real 
rains we have been receiving over the past 7 to 10 days.
Please ensure you check this out before you travel.

Also you need permission to enter the T & T site east of Lyndhurst. I do not 
have the details but may well be in the birding-aus archives.

Regards  Trevor Cowie


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Julian Robinson" 
To: "Birding Aus" 
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 8:46 AM
Subject: [Birding-Aus] RFI Oodnadatta track, Tanami, Pilbara


> Hi all
>
> I'll be travelling from Canberra to Alice Springs reasonably quickly in a 
> week's time, via Oodnadatta Track Maree - Marla. I'd be grateful for any 
> info on "must sees" or good places to bird generally on that stretch.
>
> Then across Tanami, Bungles, south edge of Kimberleys and later Pilbara 
> based at Karijini NP.
>
> Apart from Newhaven and Broome (already on itinerary) would also 
> appreciate any good birds or spots from Tanami to Broome, and in the 
> Pilbara.   (We won't be in a position to go to Mornington).
>
> Thanks in advance
> Julian
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Subject: RE: Mudgee info / help with raptor ID
From: "Tony Russell" <pratincole AT esc.net.au>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:52:37 +0930
I did this and I still reckon it's far too small and indistinct to say
too much about it. Pure guesswork fellas.

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Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Mudgee info / help with raptor ID


When you click on the image there is a little box top left with a  
magnifying glass saying "all sizes". Click on that to bring up the  
largest size available. This gives alot more detail than the first  
thumbnail.
The only things not properly visible from that that i have mentioned  
are the bill colour and tail barring. These are really only properly  
visible if you then "Download large size" and open the image in  
another program and zoom in a bit more. Although the fact that the  
undertail is dark rather than white is enough from the small image. (I
only briefly copied the image to my desktop for the purposes of ID  
and then deleted the file.)

Cheers
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Subject: RE: Mudgee info / help with raptor ID
From: "Tony Russell" <pratincole AT esc.net.au>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:46:03 +0930
That's what I thought too. Could have been a sparrow at that distance.

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Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Mudgee info / help with raptor ID


How can you tell all that from such a tiny far away photo?

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:03 PM, David Stowe
wrote:

> Sorry Trevor, it is a Little Eagle.
> Note the distinctive pale scalloped upperwing pattern on wing coverts.

> Also dark primaries. Juv Black-shouldered Kite would have darker 
> shoulder patch and paler primaries tipped white. Primaries are shorter

> than tail, plus tail is barred in this bird. Bill is heavier and grey 
> rather than black/yellow. All round a much stockier looking bird. Also

> juv BSK would have white on the face where this bird is uniformly 
> dark. Hope that helps. Cheers
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> On 03/07/2009, at 9:17 AM, Trevor Cowie wrote:
>
> Hi Arwen,
>
> I suggest a Juv Black-shouldered Kite.
>
> Trevor Cowie
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arwen B. Ximenes" 
>  >
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 7:07 PM
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Mudgee info / help with raptor ID
>
>
>
> Hi there,
>
> We had a great weekend away in Mudgee last weekend. Thanks to all 
> those who answered my RFI. Though we didn't spend time doing any 
> serious birding, it was so nice to enter a different birdscape - 
> without a doubt the bird of the trip was the Yellow-rumped Thornbill. 
> We saw them EVERYWHERE, starting at the rest area in Capertee, and of 
> course they don't occur where we are in the Blue Mountains, so it was 
> a lovely sight (and sound) - albeit common in that area. On the way up

> we dipped on Regent Honeyeater at Crown Station Road in the Capertee 
> Valley, although Carol Probets, who we bumped into there, found one - 
> so the Noisy Miners haven't driven them out entirely. We saw plenty of

> Wedgies and a flock of at least 25 Yellow-tailed Black Cockatoos flew 
> over on Saturday.Aside from the Jacky Winters, the birds at Munghorn 
> Gap were on strike while we were there.
>
> For those interested in birding in the Mudgee region, there is a 
> brochure available from Mudgee tourism called "Bird Watching in the 
> Mid-Western Region of NSW", which I believe is produced in conjunction

> with Cudgegong Field Naturalists. It's a great resource for those who 
> are unfamiliar with the area and its birds.
>
> On the way back to the Blue Mountains we saw a raptor perched in a 
> tree - I wonder if anyone can help me identify it? You can hopefully 
> find it at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/30308243 AT N07/ (called 
> "unidentified raptor"). I do hope there's enough detail there, it's a 
> very poor shot. cheers,
>
> Arwen
>
>
> .........................................
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> Lawson, Blue Mountains, NSW
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Subject: Princess Parrots near Jupiter Well
From: Jon King <jon AT calyptura.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:36:40 -0700 (PDT)
We have just returned from a superb week-plus in the Jupiter Well area along 
the Gary Junction Highway in WA, where we found the incomparable Princess 
Parrot in two different areas. Having tried along the Canning Stock Route from 
Billiluna to Kunawarritji in the first week of May, and Jupiter Well for three 
days from 6th-9th May, dipping in both areas, we felt we had probably finally 
earned it! 


The dunes were very different in late June versus early May, with lots of 
flowering and loads of good birds that had not been present in the area in May, 
including many Pied, Black, White-fronted, and other honeyeaters, and hundreds 
of Budgies everwhere, with many prospecting and defending apparent nest sites. 
We had Golden-backed Honeyeater possibly well outside normal range, and 
bizarrely a flock of Black Swans flying WSW one morning (there is probably no 
habitat for the latter within a 500km radius of Jupiter Well). 


After searching for a full day on 25th June (when we had some rain) we finally 
found some parrots on the morning of 26th, 2.7km NNE of Jupiter Well, after Jon 
had first heard one several hundred metres north of the dune top we were on. We 
watched 6-8 for several minutes near 0930, then saw where they went to day 
roost. We left them alone, returning at 1500, just in time for them to break 
roost, where they accumulated in another Sand Dune Bloodwood. We had scope 
views here down to 20m for nearly half-an-hour of a flock of 12, even getting 
some reasonable digiscopes. They shot off strongly to the E at 1609. All these 
observation were within a short radius of 22 51 12.5 S, 126 36 17.9 E. 


In the same area on the morning of the 27th we had at least three parrots for a 
few minutes. Their footprints were very obvious on the dune tops, and we were 
able to identify the grass species they were eating. However, searching this 
same area on 28th and 29th, we saw no more. 


On the drive in from Alice, we had passed through some dune areas 40-60km E of 
Jupiter Well that we thought (in our relative ignorance at the time) looked 
potentially good for parrots. Reluctantly leaving the great birding at Jupiter 
Well, we stopped in this area on the way out. It was even more packed full of 
nomadic birds, honeyeaters, Budgies, etc. 


Incredibly, at 0715 on the morning of 30th June we found a flock of eight 
Princess Parrots some 44km E of Jupiter Well. Watching them on and off for 
nearly half-an-hour feeding in several shrubs (later identified), the flock 
swelled to 21 by 0746, but then disappeared to the south, and could not be 
refound that morning despite extensive searching. We returned to the same area 
in the late afternoon, and had a pair fly strongly overhead going SE at 1611, 
but saw no more. We searched the same area the following morning, and a few kms 
to the east, but with no more sightings. All of these observations we in the 
area of 22 45 37.9 S, 126 58 11.6 E. 


Australia is a land full of great parrots, but Princess Parrot is truly 
stunning and is arguably the best. It is very well worth the effort involved in 
seeing it. It is enhanced, if possible, by the great habitat in which it 
occurs, and this is even better when it is flowering and packed full of great 
nomadic birds. 


Many thanks to Janet Morris (of North West Safaris) who originally told me of 
her sightings at Jupiter in late April 2008, Don Hadden for his 2008 update 
from there and Well 44 on the CSR, and Merilyn Browne for her more recent 
observation from Jupiter Well. 


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Subject: Re: Mudgee info / help with raptor ID
From: David Stowe <davidstowe AT optusnet.com.au>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:05:05 +1000
When you click on the image there is a little box top left with a  
magnifying glass saying "all sizes". Click on that to bring up the  
largest size available. This gives alot more detail than the first  
thumbnail.
The only things not properly visible from that that i have mentioned  
are the bill colour and tail barring. These are really only properly  
visible if you then "Download large size" and open the image in  
another program and zoom in a bit more. Although the fact that the  
undertail is dark rather than white is enough from the small image.
(I only briefly copied the image to my desktop for the purposes of ID  
and then deleted the file.)

Cheers
Dave


On 03/07/2009, at 11:43 AM, David Richardson wrote:

How can you tell all that from such a tiny far away photo?

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:03 PM, David Stowe  
 wrote:
Sorry Trevor, it is a Little Eagle.
Note the distinctive pale scalloped upperwing pattern on wing coverts.  
Also dark primaries. Juv Black-shouldered Kite would have darker  
shoulder patch and paler primaries tipped white. Primaries are shorter  
than tail, plus tail is barred in this bird. Bill is heavier and grey  
rather than black/yellow. All round a much stockier looking bird. Also  
juv BSK would have white on the face where this bird is uniformly dark.
Hope that helps.
Cheers
Dave




On 03/07/2009, at 9:17 AM, Trevor Cowie wrote:

Hi Arwen,

I suggest a Juv Black-shouldered Kite.

Trevor Cowie

----- Original Message ----- From: "Arwen B. Ximenes" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 7:07 PM
Subject: [Birding-Aus] Mudgee info / help with raptor ID



Hi there,

We had a great weekend away in Mudgee last weekend. Thanks to all  
those who answered my RFI. Though we didnt spend time doing any  
serious birding, it was so nice to enter a different birdscape   
without a doubt the bird of the trip was the Yellow-rumped Thornbill.  
We saw them EVERYWHERE, starting at the rest area in Capertee, and of  
course they dont occur where we are in the Blue Mountains, so it was  
a lovely sight (and sound) - albeit common in that area. On the way up  
we dipped on Regent Honeyeater at Crown Station Road in the Capertee  
Valley, although Carol Probets, who we bumped into there, found one -  
so the Noisy Miners haven't driven them out entirely. We saw plenty of  
Wedgies and a flock of at least 25 Yellow-tailed Black Cockatoos flew  
over on Saturday.Aside from the Jacky Winters, the birds at Munghorn  
Gap were on strike while we were there.

For those interested in birding in the Mudgee region, there is a  
brochure available from Mudgee tourism called Bird Watching in the  
Mid-Western Region of NSW, which I believe is produced in conjunction  
with Cudgegong Field Naturalists. Its a great resource for those who  
are unfamiliar with the area and its birds.

On the way back to the Blue Mountains we saw a raptor perched in a  
tree  I wonder if anyone can help me identify it? You can hopefully  
find it at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/30308243 AT N07/ (called  
"unidentified raptor"). I do hope there's enough detail there, it's a  
very poor shot.
cheers,

Arwen


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Lawson, Blue Mountains, NSW
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Subject: Re: Mudgee info / help with raptor ID
From: David Richardson <albatrossvaldez AT gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:43:58 -0700
How can you tell all that from such a tiny far away photo?

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:03 PM, David Stowe wrote:

> Sorry Trevor, it is a Little Eagle.
> Note the distinctive pale scalloped upperwing pattern on wing coverts. Also
> dark primaries. Juv Black-shouldered Kite would have darker shoulder patch
> and paler primaries tipped white. Primaries are shorter than tail, plus tail
> is barred in this bird. Bill is heavier and grey rather than black/yellow.
> All round a much stockier looking bird. Also juv BSK would have white on the
> face where this bird is uniformly dark.
> Hope that helps.
> Cheers
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> On 03/07/2009, at 9:17 AM, Trevor Cowie wrote:
>
> Hi Arwen,
>
> I suggest a Juv Black-shouldered Kite.
>
> Trevor Cowie
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arwen B. Ximenes"  >
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 7:07 PM
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Mudgee info / help with raptor ID
>
>
>
> Hi there,
>
> We had a great weekend away in Mudgee last weekend. Thanks to all those who
> answered my RFI. Though we didnt spend time doing any serious birding, it
> was so nice to enter a different birdscape  without a doubt the bird of the
> trip was the Yellow-rumped Thornbill. We saw them EVERYWHERE, starting at
> the rest area in Capertee, and of course they dont occur where we are in
> the Blue Mountains, so it was a lovely sight (and sound) - albeit common in
> that area. On the way up we dipped on Regent Honeyeater at Crown Station
> Road in the Capertee Valley, although Carol Probets, who we bumped into
> there, found one - so the Noisy Miners haven't driven them out entirely. We
> saw plenty of Wedgies and a flock of at least 25 Yellow-tailed Black
> Cockatoos flew over on Saturday.Aside from the Jacky Winters, the birds at
> Munghorn Gap were on strike while we were there.
>
> For those interested in birding in the Mudgee region, there is a brochure
> available from Mudgee tourism called Bird Watching in the Mid-Western
> Region of NSW, which I believe is produced in conjunction with Cudgegong
> Field Naturalists. Its a great resource for those who are unfamiliar with
> the area and its birds.
>
> On the way back to the Blue Mountains we saw a raptor perched in a tree  I
> wonder if anyone can help me identify it? You can hopefully find it at:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/30308243 AT N07/ (called "unidentified raptor").
> I do hope there's enough detail there, it's a very poor shot.
> cheers,
>
> Arwen
>
>
> .........................................
> Arwen Blackwood Ximenes
> Lawson, Blue Mountains, NSW
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>
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Subject: Re: RFI Oodnadatta track, Tanami, Pilbara
From: "Paul & Irene Osborn" <passerine AT bordernet.com.au>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 11:42:39 +1000
Actually, I think it's called Howard Springs, not Coward. Still a good place 
to stop, whatever it's called. I saw some Banded Stilt on a waterhole in one 
of the creek crossings somewhere south of Williams Creek, back in 2003. The 
creek crossings were rebuilt last year, so the road should be pretty good. 
Williams Creek is a nicer place to spend a night than is Oodnadatta. There 
are plane flights from there out over Lake Eyre, which should have water in 
at the moment.

There is a creek crossing with a large waterhole a couple of hours south of 
Marla which had quite a few birds when we were there.

Can second David's reccommendation re the helicopter flights at Purnululu.
Paul Osborn

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To: "julian" 
Cc: "Birding Aus" 
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] RFI Oodnadatta track, Tanami, Pilbara


> Hi Julian
> If you had time to shoot up the Strzelecki from Lyndhurst its not far  to 
> Mt Lyndhurst station to see Chestnut-breasted Whiteface and Thick- billed 
> Grasswren. (perhaps too much of a detour but great birds!)
> On the Oodnadatta - Coward Springs and nearby Mound Springs are an 
> interesting place to visit for sure.
> Algebuckina Bridge (just south of Oodnadatta) is a great spot for a  bush 
> camp on the edge of a waterhole with an old railway bridge there.
>
> Tanami - Newhaven is worth the stop. Watch out for fuel prices at  Rabbit 
> Flat!
> Wolfe Creek Meteor Crater is worth a look.
> Purnululu - easy spend a few days there. Highly recommend the  helicopter 
> flight. Best joyflight i have ever done! (and i hate light  planes/heights 
> etc!)
>
> It all comes down to timing of course. Stacks to see and never enough 
> time!
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
> On 03/07/2009, at 9:44 AM, julian wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> I'll be travelling from Canberra to Alice Springs reasonably quickly  in a 
> week's time, via Oodnadatta Track Maree - Marla. I'd be grateful  for any 
> info on "must sees" or good places to bird generally on that  stretch.
>
> Then across Tanami, Bungles, south edge of Kimberleys and later  Pilbara 
> based at Karijini NP.
>
> Apart from Newhaven and Broome (already on itinerary) would also 
> appreciate any good birds or spots from Tanami to Broome, and in the 
> Pilbara.   (We won't be in a position to go to Mornington).
>
> Thanks in advance
> Julian
> Canberra
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Subject: RFI Oodnadatta track, Tanami, Pilbara
From: Julian Robinson <julian.robinson AT internode.on.net>
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:16:49 +1000
Hi all

I'll be travelling from Canberra to Alice Springs reasonably quickly 
in a week's time, via Oodnadatta Track Maree - Marla. I'd be grateful 
for any info on "must sees" or good places to bird generally on that stretch.

Then across Tanami, Bungles, south edge of Kimberleys and later 
Pilbara based at Karijini NP.

Apart from Newhaven and Broome (already on itinerary) would also 
appreciate any good birds or spots from Tanami to Broome, and in the 
Pilbara.   (We won't be in a position to go to Mornington).

Thanks in advance
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Subject: Dusky Warbler on Christmas Island; new for Australia
From: "Mike Carter" <pterodroma AT bigpond.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 10:28:20 +1000
Ian McAllan was on Christmas Island in the first week of May this year. In 
addition to other previously reported great finds he had a singing warbler 
which he was unable to identify. He recorded the song and played it to me 
over the phone from the Island. It was unfamiliar to me. It has now been 
confidently identified by two independent Asian experts as a Dusky Warbler 
Phylloscopus fuscatus, a species not previously reported on Australian 
territory.

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Mount Eliza  VIC 3930
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Subject: Re: RFI Oodnadatta track, Tanami, Pilbara
From: David Stowe <davidstowe AT optusnet.com.au>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 10:19:21 +1000
Hi Julian
If you had time to shoot up the Strzelecki from Lyndhurst its not far  
to Mt Lyndhurst station to see Chestnut-breasted Whiteface and Thick- 
billed Grasswren. (perhaps too much of a detour but great birds!)
On the Oodnadatta - Coward Springs and nearby Mound Springs are an  
interesting place to visit for sure.
Algebuckina Bridge (just south of Oodnadatta) is a great spot for a  
bush camp on the edge of a waterhole with an old railway bridge there.

Tanami - Newhaven is worth the stop. Watch out for fuel prices at  
Rabbit Flat!
Wolfe Creek Meteor Crater is worth a look.
Purnululu - easy spend a few days there. Highly recommend the  
helicopter flight. Best joyflight i have ever done! (and i hate light  
planes/heights etc!)

It all comes down to timing of course. Stacks to see and never enough  
time!

Cheers
Dave

On 03/07/2009, at 9:44 AM, julian wrote:

Hi all

I'll be travelling from Canberra to Alice Springs reasonably quickly  
in a week's time, via Oodnadatta Track Maree - Marla. I'd be grateful  
for any info on "must sees" or good places to bird generally on that  
stretch.

Then across Tanami, Bungles, south edge of Kimberleys and later  
Pilbara based at Karijini NP.

Apart from Newhaven and Broome (already on itinerary) would also  
appreciate any good birds or spots from Tanami to Broome, and in the  
Pilbara.   (We won't be in a position to go to Mornington).

Thanks in advance
Julian
Canberra

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Subject: Re: Mudgee info / help with raptor ID
From: David Stowe <davidstowe AT optusnet.com.au>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 10:03:18 +1000
Sorry Trevor, it is a Little Eagle.
Note the distinctive pale scalloped upperwing pattern on wing coverts.  
Also dark primaries. Juv Black-shouldered Kite would have darker  
shoulder patch and paler primaries tipped white. Primaries are shorter  
than tail, plus tail is barred in this bird. Bill is heavier and grey  
rather than black/yellow. All round a much stockier looking bird. Also  
juv BSK would have white on the face where this bird is uniformly dark.
Hope that helps.
Cheers
Dave



On 03/07/2009, at 9:17 AM, Trevor Cowie wrote:

Hi Arwen,

I suggest a Juv Black-shouldered Kite.

Trevor Cowie

----- Original Message ----- From: "Arwen B. Ximenes" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 7:07 PM
Subject: [Birding-Aus] Mudgee info / help with raptor ID



Hi there,

We had a great weekend away in Mudgee last weekend. Thanks to all  
those who answered my RFI. Though we didnt spend time doing any  
serious birding, it was so nice to enter a different birdscape   
without a doubt the bird of the trip was the Yellow-rumped Thornbill.  
We saw them EVERYWHERE, starting at the rest area in Capertee, and of  
course they dont occur where we are in the Blue Mountains, so it was  
a lovely sight (and sound) - albeit common in that area. On the way up  
we dipped on Regent Honeyeater at Crown Station Road in the Capertee  
Valley, although Carol Probets, who we bumped into there, found one -  
so the Noisy Miners haven't driven them out entirely. We saw plenty of  
Wedgies and a flock of at least 25 Yellow-tailed Black Cockatoos flew  
over on Saturday.Aside from the Jacky Winters, the birds at Munghorn  
Gap were on strike while we were there.

For those interested in birding in the Mudgee region, there is a  
brochure available from Mudgee tourism called Bird Watching in the  
Mid-Western Region of NSW, which I believe is produced in conjunction  
with Cudgegong Field Naturalists. Its a great resource for those who  
are unfamiliar with the area and its birds.

On the way back to the Blue Mountains we saw a raptor perched in a  
tree  I wonder if anyone can help me identify it? You can hopefully  
find it at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/30308243 AT N07/ (called  
"unidentified raptor"). I do hope there's enough detail there, it's a  
very poor shot.
cheers,

Arwen


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Subject: RFI Oodnadatta track, Tanami, Pilbara
From: julian <jrsubs AT internode.on.net>
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:44:05 +1000
Hi all

I'll be travelling from Canberra to Alice Springs reasonably quickly 
in a week's time, via Oodnadatta Track Maree - Marla. I'd be grateful 
for any info on "must sees" or good places to bird generally on that stretch.

Then across Tanami, Bungles, south edge of Kimberleys and later 
Pilbara based at Karijini NP.

Apart from Newhaven and Broome (already on itinerary) would also 
appreciate any good birds or spots from Tanami to Broome, and in the 
Pilbara.   (We won't be in a position to go to Mornington).

Thanks in advance
Julian
Canberra

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Subject: Re: Mudgee info / help with raptor ID
From: "Trevor Cowie" <birdos_sa AT bigpond.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 08:47:54 +0930
Hi Arwen,

I suggest a Juv Black-shouldered Kite.

Trevor Cowie

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: 
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Subject: [Birding-Aus] Mudgee info / help with raptor ID



Hi there,

We had a great weekend away in Mudgee last weekend. Thanks to all those who 
answered my RFI. Though we didnt spend time doing any serious birding, it 
was so nice to enter a different birdscape  without a doubt the bird of the 
trip was the Yellow-rumped Thornbill. We saw them EVERYWHERE, starting at 
the rest area in Capertee, and of course they dont occur where we are in 
the Blue Mountains, so it was a lovely sight (and sound) - albeit common in 
that area. On the way up we dipped on Regent Honeyeater at Crown Station 
Road in the Capertee Valley, although Carol Probets, who we bumped into 
there, found one - so the Noisy Miners haven't driven them out entirely. We 
saw plenty of Wedgies and a flock of at least 25 Yellow-tailed Black 
Cockatoos flew over on Saturday.Aside from the Jacky Winters, the birds at 
Munghorn Gap were on strike while we were there.

For those interested in birding in the Mudgee region, there is a brochure 
available from Mudgee tourism called Bird Watching in the Mid-Western 
Region of NSW, which I believe is produced in conjunction with Cudgegong 
Field Naturalists. Its a great resource for those who are unfamiliar with 
the area and its birds.

On the way back to the Blue Mountains we saw a raptor perched in a tree  I 
wonder if anyone can help me identify it? You can hopefully find it at: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30308243 AT N07/ (called "unidentified raptor"). I 
do hope there's enough detail there, it's a very poor shot.
cheers,

Arwen


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Subject: Re: Desperate bid to save finches that changed the world
From: "michael norris" <menorris AT ozemail.com.au>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 00:53:26 +1000
Interesting site!  They also have a page on bloodthirsty Keas, New Zealand 
Parrots.

But I agree it's just opportunism:  in a park near me a kind-hearted person 
puts lumps of mincemeat on the forks of several trees for the 
(bloodthirsty) butcherbirds and nice (eat bloody insects) magpies.

And if the magpies and butcherbirds are preoccupied, up to 6 Rainbow 
Lorikeets will be in, eating their fil

Michael Norris

37 59' S  145 0' E

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Shute" 


Intrigued by the article's mention of blood drinking finches, I Googled 
"galapagos finches blood".  I'm even more intrigued by the explanation 
offered by the first result in the list:
http://creation.com/vampire-finches-of-the-galapagos

I'm not saying they're wrong, it's just not the explanation I was expecting.

Peter Shute

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Subject: RFI: Tyto owl nestboxes
From: Chris Sanderson <chris.sanderson AT gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 23:18:50 +1000
Hi all,

I'm hoping someone can point me towards some information on nest boxes for
Tyto owls.  Australian Barn and Masked specifically.  I have some friends
who run a farm who are looking for natural methods to control rodents in the
area, and have some good timber in the area, but sadly nothing old enough to
contain hollows.

Regards,
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Subject: Pelagic survey off Port Stephens 02-07-09
From: Mick Roderick <mickhhb AT yahoo.com.au>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 04:25:30 -0700 (PDT)
Hi all,

Today Alan Stuart and Ijoined the local Marine Parks Authority forthe 
secondsea bird survey off Port Stephens, NSW. 


Birds observed -Total (max. number around boat at one time):

Wilson's Storm-Petrel15 (5)
White-faced Storm-Petrel 10 (4)
Wandering Albatross (gibsoni) 1 (1)
Black-browed Albatross (all nominate) - 3 (1)
Yellow-nosed Albatross 15 (5)
Shy Albatross (cauta) 2 (1)
Southern Giant Petrel 1 (1)
Cape Petrel 3 (2)
Solander's Petrel15 (4)
Australasian Gannet30 (20 - as a tight group plunging into bait fish)
Brown Skua1 (1)
White-fronted Tern 4 (2)

Cheers,

Mick Roderick



 
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Subject: Re: Mudgee info / help with raptor ID
From: David Stowe <davidstowe AT optusnet.com.au>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:40:13 +1000
Looks like a Little Eagle to me too.

Cheers
Dave


On 02/07/2009, at 8:34 PM, Nikolas Haass wrote:


To me it looks more like a Little Eagle

Nikolas

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----- Original Message ----
From: David Richardson 
To: Arwen B. Ximenes 
Cc: birding-aus AT vicnet.net.au
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 8:28:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Mudgee info / help with raptor ID

Juvenile Black-shouldered Kite?

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Arwen B. Ximenes  
wrote:

>
> Hi there,
>
> We had a great weekend away in Mudgee last weekend. Thanks to all  
> those who
> answered my RFI. Though we didnt spend time doing any serious  
> birding, it
> was so nice to enter a different birdscape  without a doubt the  
> bird of the
> trip was the Yellow-rumped Thornbill. We saw them EVERYWHERE,  
> starting at
> the rest area in Capertee, and of course they dont occur where we  
> are in
> the Blue Mountains, so it was a lovely sight (and sound) - albeit  
> common in
> that area. On the way up we dipped on Regent Honeyeater at Crown  
> Station
> Road in the Capertee Valley, although Carol Probets, who we bumped  
> into
> there, found one - so the Noisy Miners haven't driven them out  
> entirely. We
> saw plenty of Wedgies and a flock of at least 25 Yellow-tailed Black
> Cockatoos flew over on Saturday.Aside from the Jacky Winters, the  
> birds at
> Munghorn Gap were on strike while we were there.
>
> For those interested in birding in the Mudgee region, there is a  
> brochure
> available from Mudgee tourism called Bird Watching in the Mid-Western
> Region of NSW, which I believe is produced in conjunction with  
> Cudgegong
> Field Naturalists. Its a great resource for those who are  
> unfamiliar with
> the area and its birds.
>
> On the way back to the Blue Mountains we saw a raptor perched in a  
> tree  I
> wonder if anyone can help me identify it? You can hopefully find it  
> at:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/30308243 AT N07/ (called "unidentified  
> raptor").
> I do hope there's enough detail there, it's a very poor shot.
> cheers,
>
> Arwen
>
>
> .........................................
> Arwen Blackwood Ximenes
> Lawson, Blue Mountains, NSW
> arwenbx AT hotmail.com
>
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Subject: RE: Mudgee info / help with raptor ID
From: "Arwen B. Ximenes" <arwenbx AT hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:40:16 +1000
Yes, that's two votes for Little Eagle now and it was the first bird I thought 
of without looking at a book. Then after looking I turned it into an Australian 
Hobby. I think it's a Little Eagle. 


 

Many thanks,

 

Arwen



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> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 03:34:41 -0700
> From: nhaass AT yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Mudgee info / help with raptor ID
> To: albatrossvaldez AT gmail.com; arwenbx AT hotmail.com
> CC: birding-aus AT vicnet.net.au
> 
> 
> To me it looks more like a Little Eagle
> 
> Nikolas
> 
> ----------------
> Nikolas Haass
> nhaass AT yahoo.com
> Sydney, NSW
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: David Richardson 
> To: Arwen B. Ximenes 
> Cc: birding-aus AT vicnet.net.au
> Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 8:28:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Mudgee info / help with raptor ID
> 
> Juvenile Black-shouldered Kite?
> 
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Arwen B. Ximenes wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi there,
> >
> > We had a great weekend away in Mudgee last weekend. Thanks to all those who
> > answered my RFI. Though we didnt spend time doing any serious birding, it
> > was so nice to enter a different birdscape  without a doubt the bird of 
the 

> > trip was the Yellow-rumped Thornbill. We saw them EVERYWHERE, starting at
> > the rest area in Capertee, and of course they dont occur where we are in
> > the Blue Mountains, so it was a lovely sight (and sound) - albeit common in
> > that area. On the way up we dipped on Regent Honeyeater at Crown Station
> > Road in the Capertee Valley, although Carol Probets, who we bumped into
> > there, found one - so the Noisy Miners haven't driven them out entirely. We
> > saw plenty of Wedgies and a flock of at least 25 Yellow-tailed Black
> > Cockatoos flew over on Saturday.Aside from the Jacky Winters, the birds at
> > Munghorn Gap were on strike while we were there.
> >
> > For those interested in birding in the Mudgee region, there is a brochure
> > available from Mudgee tourism called Bird Watching in the Mid-Western
> > Region of NSW, which I believe is produced in conjunction with Cudgegong
> > Field Naturalists. Its a great resource for those who are unfamiliar with
> > the area and its birds.
> >
> > On the way back to the Blue Mountains we saw a raptor perched in a tree  I
> > wonder if anyone can help me identify it? You can hopefully find it at:
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/30308243 AT N07/ (called "unidentified raptor").
> > I do hope there's enough detail there, it's a very poor shot.
> > cheers,
> >
> > Arwen
> >
> >
> > .........................................
> > Arwen Blackwood Ximenes
> > Lawson, Blue Mountains, NSW
> > arwenbx AT hotmail.com
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Subject: Re: Mudgee info / help with raptor ID
From: Nikolas Haass <nhaass AT yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 03:34:41 -0700 (PDT)
To me it looks more like a Little Eagle

Nikolas

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----- Original Message ----
From: David Richardson 
To: Arwen B. Ximenes 
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Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 8:28:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Mudgee info / help with raptor ID

Juvenile Black-shouldered Kite?

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Arwen B. Ximenes wrote:

>
> Hi there,
>
> We had a great weekend away in Mudgee last weekend. Thanks to all those who
> answered my RFI. Though we didn’t spend time doing any serious birding, it
> was so nice to enter a different birdscape – without a doubt the bird of 
the 

> trip was the Yellow-rumped Thornbill. We saw them EVERYWHERE, starting at
> the rest area in Capertee, and of course they don’t occur where we are in
> the Blue Mountains, so it was a lovely sight (and sound) - albeit common in
> that area. On the way up we dipped on Regent Honeyeater at Crown Station
> Road in the Capertee Valley, although Carol Probets, who we bumped into
> there, found one - so the Noisy Miners haven't driven them out entirely. We
> saw plenty of Wedgies and a flock of at least 25 Yellow-tailed Black
> Cockatoos flew over on Saturday.Aside from the Jacky Winters, the birds at
> Munghorn Gap were on strike while we were there.
>
> For those interested in birding in the Mudgee region, there is a brochure
> available from Mudgee tourism called “Bird Watching in the Mid-Western
> Region of NSW”, which I believe is produced in conjunction with Cudgegong
> Field Naturalists. It’s a great resource for those who are unfamiliar with
> the area and its birds.
>
> On the way back to the Blue Mountains we saw a raptor perched in a tree – I
> wonder if anyone can help me identify it? You can hopefully find it at:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/30308243 AT N07/ (called "unidentified raptor").
> I do hope there's enough detail there, it's a very poor shot.
> cheers,
>
> Arwen
>
>
> .........................................
> Arwen Blackwood Ximenes
> Lawson, Blue Mountains, NSW
> arwenbx AT hotmail.com
>
>
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Subject: Re: Mudgee info / help with raptor ID
From: David Richardson <albatrossvaldez AT gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:28:34 +1000
Juvenile Black-shouldered Kite?

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Arwen B. Ximenes wrote:

>
> Hi there,
>
> We had a great weekend away in Mudgee last weekend. Thanks to all those who
> answered my RFI. Though we didnt spend time doing any serious birding, it
> was so nice to enter a different birdscape  without a doubt the bird of the
> trip was the Yellow-rumped Thornbill. We saw them EVERYWHERE, starting at
> the rest area in Capertee, and of course they dont occur where we are in
> the Blue Mountains, so it was a lovely sight (and sound) - albeit common in
> that area. On the way up we dipped on Regent Honeyeater at Crown Station
> Road in the Capertee Valley, although Carol Probets, who we bumped into
> there, found one - so the Noisy Miners haven't driven them out entirely. We
> saw plenty of Wedgies and a flock of at least 25 Yellow-tailed Black
> Cockatoos flew over on Saturday.Aside from the Jacky Winters, the birds at
> Munghorn Gap were on strike while we were there.
>
> For those interested in birding in the Mudgee region, there is a brochure
> available from Mudgee tourism called Bird Watching in the Mid-Western
> Region of NSW, which I believe is produced in conjunction with Cudgegong
> Field Naturalists. Its a great resource for those who are unfamiliar with
> the area and its birds.
>
> On the way back to the Blue Mountains we saw a raptor perched in a tree  I
> wonder if anyone can help me identify it? You can hopefully find it at:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/30308243 AT N07/ (called "unidentified raptor").
> I do hope there's enough detail there, it's a very poor shot.
> cheers,
>
> Arwen
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From: "Arwen B. Ximenes" <arwenbx AT hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:37:18 +1000
Hi there,
 
We had a great weekend away in Mudgee last weekend. Thanks to all those who 
answered my RFI. Though we didnt spend time doing any serious birding, it was 
so nice to enter a different birdscape  without a doubt the bird of the trip 
was the Yellow-rumped Thornbill. We saw them EVERYWHERE, starting at the rest 
area in Capertee, and of course they dont occur where we are in the Blue 
Mountains, so it was a lovely sight (and sound) - albeit common in that area. 
On the way up we dipped on Regent Honeyeater at Crown Station Road in the 
Capertee Valley, although Carol Probets, who we bumped into there, found one - 
so the Noisy Miners haven't driven them out entirely. We saw plenty of Wedgies 
and a flock of at least 25 Yellow-tailed Black Cockatoos flew over on 
Saturday.Aside from the Jacky Winters, the birds at Munghorn Gap were on strike 
while we were there. 

  
For those interested in birding in the Mudgee region, there is a brochure 
available from Mudgee tourism called Bird Watching in the Mid-Western Region 
of NSW, which I believe is produced in conjunction with Cudgegong Field 
Naturalists. Its a great resource for those who are unfamiliar with the area 
and its birds. 

 
On the way back to the Blue Mountains we saw a raptor perched in a tree  I 
wonder if anyone can help me identify it? You can hopefully find it at: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30308243 AT N07/ (called "unidentified raptor"). I do 
hope there's enough detail there, it's a very poor shot. 

cheers,
 
Arwen

 
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From: "Arwen B. Ximenes" <arwenbx AT hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:12:39 +1000
For what it's worth, I agree with Frank - I almost exclusively use the archives 
for checking new messages - it's a simple layout, day by day, just click on a 
message that interests you - easy to catch up on new messages and follow 
threads. When the archives are down I revert to the daily digest (email), but 
then I often don't bother - unless there's a particular thread that interests 
me. Then sometimes I just give up for a few days. Call me lazy, but that's just 
how I approach this list. I find I get lost with the Google groups page and 
just give up on it, though it is handy as a back up. I could also see that it 
would be useful if there were hundreds of messages a day - but there aren't. 


 

If there was an option that allowed for messages to be presented in 
chronological order rather than grouped under topics, then I would be behind 
that. 


 

 

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Subject: Re: Marbled vs Tawny Frogmouth
From: Syd Curtis <albertisyd AT gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:42:19 +1000
Some comments for anyone considering trying for a Marbled Frogmouth on
Tamborine Mountain.

Note that "Mt Tamborine" is the place-name for the township at the southern
end of the mini-plateau for which has the place-name "Tamborine Mountain".
(There are no Marbled Frogmouths at "Mt Tamborine".)

Most of the top of the plateau has been cleared and settled.  What the Qld
Environmental Protection Agency in its (lack of) wisdom calls the
Tamborine Mountain National Park, consists of a number of small separate
areas towards the northern end of the plateau.

There are two townships towards the northern end: "North Tamborine" towards
the north-west; Eagle Heights in the north-east.

I know nothing of the habits/habitats of Plumed Frogmouths, but suggest that
what used to be called "Palm Grove N. P.", "The Knoll N. P." and "Witches'
Falls N. P." are the most promising because they contain both rainforest and
eucalypt forest.

Palm Grove is on the eastern scarp of the plateau with an entrance at the
southern limit of Eagle Heights, and another at the eastern end of Curtis
Road, past the State primary School.

To get to the Knoll NP continue through Nth Tamborine to the end of the
road.  

Witches' Falls N P is over the western scarp, in the southern part of Nth
Tamborine.  One track entrance is immediately behind the southern end of the
local cemetery; there is another a few hundred metres further south, and a
circuit track through the park links the two. A track continues
north-westerly from the circuit to cross the creek and continue
north-westerly to climb back up the scarp to a third entrance off Beacon
Road - and quite remote from the other two entrances.

(There is a lookout giving a view of the Falls - but they are quite
unspectacular and for much of the time have but a trickle of water.)

Cheers

Syd 


> From: "Shirley Cook" 
> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:42:12 +1000
> To: "Messages Birding-aus" 
> Subject: Fw: Fw: [Birding-Aus] Marbled vs Tawny Frogmouth
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> For your information from Steve Debus
> Regards
> 
> Shirley Cook
> Secretary/Treasurer
> Birds Australia (Northern NSW)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Debus" 
> To: "Shirley Cook" 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 2:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: [Birding-Aus] Marbled vs Tawny Frogmouth
> 
> 
>> Hi Shirley,
>> 
>> I don't know of any near-Brisbane sites other than Mt Tamborine and
>> around Mt Glorious, but the ID features (in order of importance) are
>> the calls, barred forehead tuft in Marbled (not barred in Tawny),
>> smaller and much lighter build, and relatively longer, slender,
>> forked tail.  Eye colour and plumage are not helpful for
>> distinguishing these species, especially at night.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Steve

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Subject: Re: FW: Birding for Beginners
From: "Shirley Cook" <shirleycook1 AT bigpond.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:05:41 +1000
Dear all,

The Cumberland Bird Observers Club made a video "Let's Go Birdwatching " in 
2007.  In part it is described as "...an instructional guide for 
beginners..."

It was broadcast by TVS, Channel 31, Sydney, in June and July 2007.

It may still be available contact www.cboc.org.au

Regards
Shirley

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Stent" 
To: "'Baus'" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 5:46 PM
Subject: [Birding-Aus] FW: Birding for Beginners


> Received from Burt May.
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> HI, all,  I have been asked by U3A (University For The 3rd Age) to run a
> course on, an introduction to bird watching.
>
> Checking on the internet, can only find DVD's and other forms of 
> information
> on American birds. There seems no birding for beginners on Australian 
> birds.
>
> If anyone has any information, ( DVD's, Videos, or PowerPoint etc. ) which
> could help me to formalize a presentation,
>
> I would be very grateful. 30 people have enrolled for this course.
>
> As you may know, everything is voluntary at U3A, there are no paid 
> lectures
> or supervisors, and I am doing this to encourage and help people to
> understand and appreciate the beauty of birds. The author of any 
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:42:12 +1000
Dear all,

For your information from Steve Debus
Regards

Shirley Cook
Secretary/Treasurer
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Debus" 
To: "Shirley Cook" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [Birding-Aus] Marbled vs Tawny Frogmouth


> Hi Shirley,
>
> I don't know of any near-Brisbane sites other than Mt Tamborine and
> around Mt Glorious, but the ID features (in order of importance) are
> the calls, barred forehead tuft in Marbled (not barred in Tawny),
> smaller and much lighter build, and relatively longer, slender,
> forked tail.  Eye colour and plumage are not helpful for
> distinguishing these species, especially at night.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
> At 11:46 AM 1/07/09, you wrote:
>>FYI and follow up if you have time.
>>
>>Shirley Cook
>>Secretary/Treasurer
>>Birds Australia - Northern NSW Group
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Eales" 
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>>Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 10:41 AM
>>Subject: [Birding-Aus] Marbled vs Tawny Frogmouth
>>
>>
>>
>>Dear Listers
>>I've been thinking of looking for Marbled Frogmouths near Brisbane
>>(heard one once this time last year at Mt Tambourine). Can people
>>give me any good ID hints for separating these guys from the common 
>>Tawnys.
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Subject: Re: Re: Creationist explanation for bloodthirsty Darwin's Finches
From: L&L Knight <l.knight AT optusnet.com.au>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:29:03 +1000
Good to see you realised that Steve.

As a general comment, I don't know whether placing a box of matches  
beside full fuel can in a public place is a responsible thing to do.   
I don't believe that placing a sign saying "keep it nice people" would  
prove an effective defence if one of those matches was used to ignite  
the fuel.


On 02/07/2009, at 8:25 AM, steveclark AT eftel.net.au wrote:

> OK a moment of madness (or mischief) on my part.  If anyone wants to
> discuss creationism and bloodthirsty finches please talk to me and  
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> off birding-aus.
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Subject: Re: Creationist explanation for bloodthirsty Darwin's Finches
From: steveclark AT eftel.net.au
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:25:36 +0800 (WST)
OK a moment of madness (or mischief) on my part.  If anyone wants to
discuss creationism and bloodthirsty finches please talk to me and keep it
off birding-aus.

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Subject: Re: Desperate bid to save finches that changed the world
From: Carl Clifford <carlsclifford AT gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 23:14:32 +1000
Peter,

I think it may be a case of "protein is protein". After all who are we  
humans to cast the first stone about consuming blood. Look at all the  
blood sausages we eat,black pudding, boudin, blutwurst, morcilla, not  
to mention the Masai's "blood shakes". Then we have Vampire Bats.  
leeches, mosquitoes, sand-flies etc., why shouldn't birds get in on  
the act? As well as the Sharp-beaked Ground-Finches on the Galapagos,  
Galapagos Mocking-birds (Nesomimus spp.) have been recorded as having  
partaken in a sanguinary sip. See 
http://elibrary.unm.edu/sora/Auk/v104n03/p0517-p0521.pdf 


Cheers,

carl Clifford


On 01/07/2009, at 9:16 PM, Peter Shute wrote:

Intrigued by the article's mention of blood drinking finches, I  
Googled "galapagos finches blood".  I'm even more intrigued by the  
explanation offered by the first result in the list:
http://creation.com/vampire-finches-of-the-galapagos

I'm not saying they're wrong, it's just not the explanation I was  
expecting.

Peter Shute

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Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2009 8:22 PM
To: L&L Knight
Cc: Birding Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Desperate bid to save finches that changed  
the world

Laurie,

I think the poor old Ecuadorean government will need a fair bit of
outside  financial help with a baiting program. They have enough
problems raising the cash to feed their people, let alone rats.

Cheers,

Carl Clifford


On 01/07/2009, at 7:42 PM, L&L Knight wrote:

> Looks like they need a rat baiting program in a big hurry
>
> 
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/nature/desperate-bid-to-save-finches-that-changed-the-world-1722941.html 

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Subject: Creationist explanation for bloodthirsty Darwin's Finches
From: Steve <steveclark AT eftel.net.au>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 21:39:09 +1000
G'day all

I don't think creationism has featured on birding-aus before.

I liked the statement "But after Adam sinned, death and bloodshed  
entered the world."

Just imagine how overpopulated the world would have been in a few  
years if Adam hadn't sinned.

Could be an interesting thread...keep it nice people.

Cheers
Steve


On 01/07/2009, at 9:16 PM, Peter Shute wrote:

> Intrigued by the article's mention of blood drinking finches, I  
> Googled "galapagos finches blood".  I'm even more intrigued by the  
> explanation offered by the first result in the list:
> http://creation.com/vampire-finches-of-the-galapagos
>
> I'm not saying they're wrong, it's just not the explanation I was  
> expecting.
>
> Peter Shute
>
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> ] On Behalf Of Carl Clifford [carlsclifford AT gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2009 8:22 PM
> To: L&L Knight
> Cc: Birding Aus
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Desperate bid to save finches that  
> changed the world
>
> Laurie,
>
> I think the poor old Ecuadorean government will need a fair bit of
> outside  financial help with a baiting program. They have enough
> problems raising the cash to feed their people, let alone rats.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carl Clifford
>
>
> On 01/07/2009, at 7:42 PM, L&L Knight wrote:
>
>> Looks like they need a rat baiting program in a big hurry
>>
>> 
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/nature/desperate-bid-to-save-finches-that-changed-the-world-1722941.html 

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Subject: RE: Desperate bid to save finches that changed the world
From: Peter Shute <pshute AT nuw.org.au>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 21:16:28 +1000
Intrigued by the article's mention of blood drinking finches, I Googled 
"galapagos finches blood". I'm even more intrigued by the explanation offered 
by the first result in the list: 

http://creation.com/vampire-finches-of-the-galapagos

I'm not saying they're wrong, it's just not the explanation I was expecting.

Peter Shute

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Behalf Of Carl Clifford [carlsclifford AT gmail.com] 

Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2009 8:22 PM
To: L&L Knight
Cc: Birding Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Desperate bid to save finches that changed the world

Laurie,

I think the poor old Ecuadorean government will need a fair bit of
outside  financial help with a baiting program. They have enough
problems raising the cash to feed their people, let alone rats.

Cheers,

Carl Clifford


On 01/07/2009, at 7:42 PM, L&L Knight wrote:

> Looks like they need a rat baiting program in a big hurry
>
> 
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/nature/desperate-bid-to-save-finches-that-changed-the-world-1722941.html 

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From: Carl Clifford <carlsclifford AT gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:22:13 +1000
Laurie,

I think the poor old Ecuadorean government will need a fair bit of  
outside  financial help with a baiting program. They have enough  
problems raising the cash to feed their people, let alone rats.

Cheers,

Carl Clifford


On 01/07/2009, at 7:42 PM, L&L Knight wrote:

> Looks like they need a rat baiting program in a big hurry
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http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/nature/desperate-bid-to-save-finches-that-changed-the-world-1722941.html 

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From: Frank O'Connor <foconnor AT iinet.net.au>
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:52:09 +0800
There are occasional problems with the birding-aus archive.  Hopefully 
these will be fixed.

When there are problems, I now use the Google groups version.  But I find 
this much harder to scan for new messages, especially about previous 
topics.  So my preference is for both methods to continue.


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Subject: Re: Desperate bid to save finches that changed the world
From: Carl Clifford <carlsclifford AT gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:36:35 +1000
Laurie,

Visitors already have to pay a National Parks levy of about USD 100,  
and I think it has recently been upped.

Cheers,

Carl Clifford

On 01/07/2009, at 8:28 PM, L&L Knight wrote:

> Simple.  Bung a $50 levy on all the twitchers visiting the islands.
>
> On 01/07/2009, at 8:22 PM, Carl Clifford wrote:
>
>> Laurie,
>>
>> I think the poor old Ecuadorean government will need a fair bit of  
>> outside  financial help with a baiting program. They have enough  
>> problems raising the cash to feed their people, let alone rats.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Carl Clifford
>>
>>
>> On 01/07/2009, at 7:42 PM, L&L Knight wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like they need a rat baiting program in a big hurry
>>>
>>> 
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/nature/desperate-bid-to-save-finches-that-changed-the-world-1722941.html 

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Subject: Re: Desperate bid to save finches that changed the world
From: L&L Knight <l.knight AT optusnet.com.au>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:28:52 +1000
Simple.  Bung a $50 levy on all the twitchers visiting the islands.

On 01/07/2009, at 8:22 PM, Carl Clifford wrote:

> Laurie,
>
> I think the poor old Ecuadorean government will need a fair bit of  
> outside  financial help with a baiting program. They have enough  
> problems raising the cash to feed their people, let alone rats.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carl Clifford
>
>
> On 01/07/2009, at 7:42 PM, L&L Knight wrote:
>
>> Looks like they need a rat baiting program in a big hurry
>>
>> 
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/nature/desperate-bid-to-save-finches-that-changed-the-world-1722941.html 

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Subject: Re: Archive problems
From: Carl Clifford <carlsclifford AT gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:14:12 +1000
Would moving to Yahoo or Google groups help? I subscribe to a few  
other groups that are on Google and Yahoo and others that are on  
servers based in other institutions. The groups that seem to have the  
most problems are those that are hosted on the other institutions.  
Perhaps consideration should be given to moving Birding-Aus to Yahoo  
or Google? How about it Russell? It would certainly save a lot of  
people a good deal of frustration.

Cheers,

Carl Clifford


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Subject: Desperate bid to save finches that changed the world
From: L&L Knight <l.knight AT optusnet.com.au>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 19:42:38 +1000
Looks like they need a rat baiting program in a big hurry


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Subject: Re: Archive problems
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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 19:36:20 +1000
No the problem is with  the machine hosting the archive.  It should
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Subject: Re: Archive problems
From: Peter Shute <pshute AT nuw.org.au>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 19:21:16 +1000
Yep, same here.

Peter Shute


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Hi All,

Is anyone else having problems accessing the archives?

No matter what I enter in the Search String box it tells me it could not open 
the index. 


If I enter something in the Google search box it gives a list of "hits". 
Clicking on one of these takes me to the referred posting. 


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Subject: Re: Oops, I can't spell
From: "McGowan, John" <John.McGowan AT au.g4s.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:49:51 +1000
Actually I understand it's better known as 'lost wages'...
:)
John Mc

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On 01/07/2009, at 4:43 PM, "Alan McBride"  wrote:

> Stephen would be right on to that as Everton Los(t) to Chelsea in the
> Cup Final recently ;-)
>
> No corres. etc.........
>
>
> Best
>
> Alan
>
>
> On 01/07/2009, at 16:40 , Mark Clayton wrote:
>
> Apologies to all those Las Vegans (is that the right term?) out there
> - of
> course the city is LAS Vegas, not Los Vegas as I had in my first  
> email.
> Thanks to Stephen Ambrose for pointing out my boo boo.
>
>
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Subject: FW: Birding for beginners
From: "Bill Stent" <bills AT ibisworld.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:15:34 +0200
Oh, yes, sorry Burt!

 

Bill

 

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Hi  All,   My Email address.  maydru AT bigpond.net.au

 

                       Thanks Burt May

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Subject: Archive problems
From: "Roger Giller" <rgiller AT optusnet.com.au>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:55:36 +1000
Hi All,

Is anyone else having problems accessing the archives?

No matter what I enter in the Search String box it tells me it could not open 
the index. 


If I enter something in the Google search box it gives a list of "hits". 
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Subject: FW: Birding for Beginners
From: "Bill Stent" <bills AT ibisworld.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:46:10 +0200
Received from Burt May.  

 

Replies to him, please.

 

Bill

 

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Subject: Birding for Beginners

 

HI, all,  I have been asked by U3A (University For The 3rd Age) to run a
course on, an introduction to bird watching.

Checking on the internet, can only find DVD's and other forms of information
on American birds. There seems no birding for beginners on Australian birds.

If anyone has any information, ( DVD's, Videos, or PowerPoint etc. ) which
could help me to formalize a presentation,

I would be very grateful. 30 people have enrolled for this course.

As you may know, everything is voluntary at U3A, there are no paid lectures
or supervisors, and I am doing this to encourage and help people to
understand and appreciate the beauty of birds. The author of any information
or 

documents provided will  be acknowledge in the course.

Kind Regards to all,

                                                 Burt May

 

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Subject: Re: Oops, I can't spell
From: Alan McBride <amcbride1 AT me.com>
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:42:49 +1000
Stephen would be right on to that as Everton Los(t) to Chelsea in the  
Cup Final recently ;-)

No corres. etc.........


Best

Alan


On 01/07/2009, at 16:40 , Mark Clayton wrote:

Apologies to all those Las Vegans (is that the right term?) out there  
- of
course the city is LAS Vegas, not Los Vegas as I had in my first email.
Thanks to Stephen Ambrose for pointing out my boo boo.



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Subject: Oops, I can't spell
From: "Mark Clayton" <chollop7 AT bigpond.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:40:51 +1000
Apologies to all those Las Vegans (is that the right term?) out there - of
course the city is LAS Vegas, not Los Vegas as I had in my first email.
Thanks to Stephen Ambrose for pointing out my boo boo.

 

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Subject: Re: Marbled vs Tawny Frogmouth
From: Syd Curtis <albertisyd AT gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:11:28 +1000
Tony,
        If you do track them by their pre-dawn calls, please listen
carefully for any different calls after they finally roost.

Circa 1966 I was camped on the lowlands immediately east of the McIlwraith
Range.  Was intrigued by the strange 'chop chop chop chop ...' calls of some
nocturnal bird.  (I was there as an N P officer investigating a proposal for
a N Park on the McIlwraith Range and wasn't carrying any bird book.)

Two of them calling.  Tracked them pre-dawn to where they finally went to
the ground.  Obviously Nightjars.  But after settled on the ground some 10
or 15 m apart, they exchanged delightful little "Goodnights"
(Goodmornings?), totally different to their 'chop' calls, before settling
down to sleep for the day.

Frogmouths are distantly related to nightjars - both in the Order
Caprimulgiformes - and I wonder if they might have a similar habit.

Cheers

Syd  

> From: "Chris Corben" 
> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:27:24 +1000
> To: "Tony Eales" , "birdingaus mailing list"
> 
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Marbled vs Tawny Frogmouth
> 
> At this time of year, they are likely to call just before dawn and just
> after dark, but may not say anything all the rest of the night. A very
> exciting way to see them is to track them down from their pre-dawn calls. If
> you get lucky, you may find them roosting, which can be high up in a tree or
> low down, even on the ground. Be warned, they are very shy during the day,
> so your approach must be very careful!

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Subject: RFI Los Vegas - Thanks
From: "Mark Clayton" <chollop7 AT bigpond.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:40:26 +1000
Thankyou to Dave Torr, Nikolas Haass, Philip Veerman and Madeline Bauer
(from California) for responding to my request for information on birding in
Los Vegas in August. I now have something to work with.

 

Cheers,

 

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Subject: Re: Regent Bowerbird
From: Syd Curtis <albertisyd AT gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:46:44 +1000
Anecdote from the past.  Say about 50 years ago.  O'Reilly's Guesthouse,
Lamington N. P.  Fed the birds, for the entertainment of the guests.  Regent
Bowerbirds very popular because of the colour.

Bernard O'Reilly (he of the Stinson crash fame) could hold out his hand with
food and have a male Regent sit on it to eat.

But Bernard did not approve of the numerous currawongs: large, greedy, and
bullying of other birds.  Currawongs arrive and Bernard would go towards
them, waving his arms and shouting, "Go on, Currawongs.  Get away!"
The Currawongs would depart.  Meanwhile the Regents would just sit quietly
waiting.  They knew Bernard wasn't shouting at them.

A fine act for the entertainment of O'Reilly's visitors.  (And a further
example of the intelligence of birds.)

Cheers

Syd

> From: Carl Clifford 
> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:36:54 +1000
> To: Peter Adderley 
> Cc: Birding-Aus Aus 
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Regent Bowerbird
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> The first Regent BB I saw was in the forest surrounding a vacant block
> on The Entrance Road, Erina Heights, a few years ago. It was a
> splendidly coloured male. The vacant block is still there, on the
> northern side of Entrance Rd., Just before Matcham Road.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
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Subject: Re: Marbled vs Tawny Frogmouth
From: "Chris Corben" <corben AT hoarybat.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:27:24 +1000
>I've been thinking of looking for Marbled Frogmouths near Brisbane (heard 
>one once this time last year at Mt Tambourine). Can people give me any good 
>ID hints for separating these guys from the common Tawnys.

Plumed Frogmouths call any time of year, but are best in September to 
December. ID from Tawny is not really much of an issue. If it's easy to see 
and out in the open, the chances are extremely high that it's a Tawny. If 
it's extremely difficult to see, was found by following its call, and is 
high up in a rainforest tree surrounded by dense vegetation, then it's 
probably a Plumed. In terms of plumage, there are several differences, but 
they are hard to see and subject to a great deal of variation. Possibly the 
single most useful feature is that the primaries are banded with brown as 
well as black and white in Plumed, just black and white in Tawny, but even 
that is probably not 100% consistent.

At this time of year, they are likely to call just before dawn and just 
after dark, but may not say anything all the rest of the night. A very 
exciting way to see them is to track them down from their pre-dawn calls. If 
you get lucky, you may find them roosting, which can be high up in a tree or 
low down, even on the ground. Be warned, they are very shy during the day, 
so your approach must be very careful!

Cheers, Chris.

Chris Corben
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Subject: Regent Bowerbirds Central Coast
From: "Michael Hunter" <drmhunter AT westnet.com.au>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:12:03 +1000
Hi All,
 I have seen Regent Bowerbirds in my garden at Avoca Beach, as have my 
neighbors. 

       
 There is some rainforesty habitat south of Cococabana and around McMasters 
Beach which I have yet to explore, but I've always thought that Regent 
Bowerbirds might be in there. 


                                                              Cheers 
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Subject: Marbled vs Tawny Frogmouth
From: Tony Eales <tjeales AT msn.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 00:41:26 +0000
Dear Listers
I've been thinking of looking for Marbled Frogmouths near Brisbane (heard one 
once this time last year at Mt Tambourine). Can people give me any good ID 
hints for separating these guys from the common Tawnys. 


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Subject: Southport Pelagics.
From: "Paul Walbridge" <paul_walbridge AT health.qld.gov.au>
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 07:44:25 +1000
Hi All, this is short notice I know but the Southport Pelagic in June was 
cancelled and moved to this Saturday, July 4th. There are still a couple of 
vacancies for anyone that is interested. Contact Paul Walbridge on: Ph: (H) 07 
3391 8839 (W) 07 3139 4584. 

 E-mail: Paul_Walbridge AT health.qld.gov.au 

 
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Subject: RE: Fiji
From: "Tony Russell" <pratincole AT esc.net.au>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:38:19 +0930
Why would a true blue Oz birder/ twitcher want to tick Fiji birds ?

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Hi David 

If you are looking for birds and field guides in Fiji I agree with
others that "A guide to the bids of Fiji and Western Polynesia" by Dick
Watling is a good book but very hard to actually find in Fiji. Another
option is a pocket field guide (10cmx15cm) published by the Fiji Museum
called "Birds of the Fiji Bush" It is readily available in the Museum in
Suva and also in most of the bigger Dept stores such as Jacks, Prouds
and others (although you may have to try a few out before finding it).
The illustrations are large and helpful and the text concise but enough
detail to head you in the right direction. The best place to head for
birding is the Island of Tavenui.

 

Near Nandi you could try getting up to the real bush in the mountains
(most of the bush around Nandi is really just weeds). The Fiji bird list
is pretty short but many of the birds are spectacular. Collared Lory for
instance, or Many Coloured Fruit dove and the Orange Dove. I was there
just this month from June 1 -13 on a work trip but managed a few quick
birding opportunities. Email me for more info if you need it. 

 

Cheers

 

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Subject: Sound recordings of magpie and pied currawong?
From: "Cas and Lisa Liber" <casliber AT ozemail.com.au>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:02:49 +1000
Hi all,
Has anyone made sound recordings of various calls of magpies and/or Pied
Curraowngs that they would be happy to see on wikipedia?
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Subject: Fiji
From: "David Kowalick" <davencath AT optusnet.com.au>
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:42:16 +0930
Hi David 

If you are looking for birds and field guides in Fiji I agree with others
that "A guide to the bids of Fiji and Western Polynesia" by Dick Watling is
a good book but very hard to actually find in Fiji. Another option is a
pocket field guide (10cmx15cm) published by the Fiji Museum called "Birds of
the Fiji Bush" It is readily available in the Museum in Suva and also in
most of the bigger Dept stores such as Jacks, Prouds and others (although
you may have to try a few out before finding it). The illustrations are
large and helpful and the text concise but enough detail to head you in the
right direction. The best place to head for birding is the Island of
Tavenui.

 

Near Nandi you could try getting up to the real bush in the mountains (most
of the bush around Nandi is really just weeds). The Fiji bird list is pretty
short but many of the birds are spectacular. Collared Lory for instance, or
Many Coloured Fruit dove and the Orange Dove. I was there just this month
from June 1 -13 on a work trip but managed a few quick birding
opportunities. Email me for more info if you need it. 

 

Cheers

 

David Kowalick

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Subject: RE: UPDATE - Lord Howe Island Rodent Control
From: Simon Mustoe <simonmustoe AT hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:32:22 +0000
David,

Yes correct...as we all suggest, it would be courteous to inform people who may 
have travelled many thousands of miles, that the birds they have come to see 
may themselves be on holiday! 


; )

Simon.


> From: davidstowe AT optusnet.com.au
> To: rmacfarl AT alphalink.com.au
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] UPDATE - Lord Howe Island Rodent Control
> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:51:45 +1000
> CC: simonmustoe AT hotmail.com; birding-aus AT vicnet.net.au
> 
> I for one didn't read Simon's email to mean that the plan shouldn't go  
> ahead because "hard-core twitchers" will be disappointed! His research  
> and comments seemed very favourable to the idea. (correct me if I'm  
> wrong Simon)
> Surely Lord Howe Island depends to a large degree on tourism. It's  
> natural beauty and the significant appeal of the rare birds (notably  
> the woodhen) would be huge drawcards to tourists from all over the  
> world and certainly Australia. You don't have to be a hard core  
> twitcher to appreciate these things but I can imagine any half  
> interested nature lover being a bit disappointed if the islands famous  
> bird was locked up when they got there.
> Yes of course the survival of these birds is paramount but Simon's  
> comments were about public awareness for an important event which  
> hasn't been easily forthcoming. The greater goal of the bird's  
> survival is indeed taking precedence (which is fantastic) but there  
> could be serious implications to tourism if no-one knew about it til  
> they got there.
> 
> Cheers
> David Stowe
> 
> 
> On 29/06/2009, at 6:46 PM, Ross Macfarlane wrote:
> 
> At risk of upsetting the hard-core twitchers, I must express the view  
> that "potentially serious direct consequences for birding and birders  
> both in Australia and visiting from overseas", of the woodhens'  
> temporary removal from the wild, should be a lower-order issue against  
> the conservation benefits to the woodhens's survival. Fair enough,  
> birders should be let know if & when it's happening, but upsetting  
> their travel plans shouldn't be a reason not to proceed. The greater  
> goal of the birds' survival would take precedence.
> 
> In my opinion... :-)
> 
> Ross Macfarlane
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Mustoe"   >
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:56 AM
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] UPDATE - Lord Howe Island Rodent Control
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> It was about time this forum sought some more direct advice on the  
> situation regarding rodent control, Woodhens and other endemics on  
> Lord Howe. I am sorry I didn't do this before (thanks Chris for  
> prompting me).
> 
> Ian Hutton has very kindly sent me information to post to birding-aus  
> (below) and has kindly offered to send me updates as things progress,  
> which I will of course pass on immediately.
> 
> The consultation process for this exercise has clearly failed to some  
> degree but you will be pleased to know, there will be other  
> opportunities. I am surprised to hear that the plan is already in its  
> second round of review and has been commented on by Birds Australia,  
> who have been notably silent during our discussions. Yet again, can I  
> please appeal on behalf of other birders (most of whom will be Birds  
> Australia members) that we find out about such issues? It hardly needs  
> to be spelt out, the importance of engaging members, especially where  
> there potentially serious direct consequences for birding and birders  
> both in Australia and visiting from overseas.
> 
> I have told Ian that there has been very favourable discussion about  
> the venture on birding-aus and I am sure it will get support from all.  
> The main concern clearly is about lack of communication and due  
> process. I will do everything I can to forward information on when I  
> hear about it but it sounds as though there will be a final public  
> exhibition period at some stage. Perhaps this forum could be used to  
> collate ideas and submit on behalf of Australian birders That way the  
> project will get the kind of broad community engagement it seeks when  
> it approaches the conservation organisations.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Simon Mustoe.
> 
> __________________
> 
> FROM IAN HUTTON, LORD HOWE ISLAND (LHI) RESIDENT ORNITHOLOGIST:
> 
> The situation is that in 2001 a
> feasibility study was undertaken into eradication of rodents from
> Lord Howe Island.
> 
> Since then DECC NSW and the LHI
> Board have been progressing a plan, along the techniques developed and  
> refined
> over the past 30 years by NZ DOC. This is basically using a cereal  
> pellet
> containing the anticoagulant brodifacoum to kill rats and mice. Over  
> the past 30
> years about 300 islands worldwide have been treated using these  
> techniques. To
> ensure each and every rat receives a bait, pellets are distributed by a
> combination of hand spreading and aerial dropping from a helicopter.  
> Experience
> learned from each eradication project has refined the techniques, and  
> islands as
> large as subantarctic Campbell Island (11,000 ha) have been successfully
> treated. Studies associated with these program have shown that in the  
> short term
> some bird numbers may drop (those that would eat a pellet or  
> scavengers that
> would eat a dead rat or mouse); in the long term all bird numbers on  
> treated
> islands have risen dramatically. Also to benefit are lizards, snails,  
> insects,
> plants, just about anything rats eat have increased in numbers after  
> successful
> eradication programs.
> 
> No one wants to see any birds
> killed, but if an eradication program is not done, each and every  
> night rats
> remain on Lord Howe Island dozens of birds and
> hundreds of insects, seeds etc are eaten and will continue to be eaten.
> 
> The situation as it stands for
> Lord Howe Island, is that April 2009, a draft
> eradication plan was completed and sent out to various bodies for  
> comment. These
> bodies included Birds Australia, IUCN, WWF, NZ DOC, Landcare Research  
> NZ.
> 
> The comments have been received
> and are being amalgamated into a second draft plan, for release to the  
> general
> public shortly with plenty of time to comment.
> 
> While I have not actually seen
> the first draft plan, it is my understanding that if the eradication  
> plan was to
> go ahead there would be measures to protect the endemic birds that may  
> be at
> risk. Figures being talked about are that half the Woodhen population  
> and half
> the LHI Currawong population would be caught and kept in captivity  
> here on
> Lord Howe Island for a period of 100 days or
> until the pellets disintegrate. As research into this captive holding  
> of birds,
> (if the program goes ahead) there would be trials holding about 30 of  
> each bird
> one year prior- to ascertain problems that may be encountered - and  
> fix these
> before the real thing one year later (possibly winter 2011). To manage  
> this
> captive holding program, worlds best experts will be enlisted.
> 
> The eradication plan for
> Lord Howe Island will not go ahead unless all
> safeguards can be met to ensure no affect on human population, and  
> minimal
> affect on birds (and other animals). If it does proceed, the best  
> international
> experience and advice will be used.
> 
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Subject: Sightings of Banded Lapwings - request for next 4 years
From: Damien Farine <swiss7 AT hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:19:45 +1000
Birdwatchers one and all,
I am planning to undertake a project on Banded Lapwings over the next four 
years (2009-2012). The study will investigate their interactions with the 
landscape and land management. In order to achieve the project goals, I will 
need to locate breeding pairs, and preferably a number of larger groups (both 
breeding and non-breeding). The study area will primarily cover Southern NSW 
(all the way to the SA border) and Central NSW (north to the Qld border). 
However, there may be scope to study birds outside of NSW if suitable colonies 
are found (northern Tasmania is a candidate study area also). 


I would like to request from anyone that is willing to send me their sightings 
of Banded Lapwings made between now and the end of 2012, both inside and 
outside these areas. Information that would be useful includes: 

 - Breeding
 - GPS location
 - Number of birds
 - Habitat (can be general)
 - Land tenure
 - Contact details for access (if possible)

Information on known colony areas would also be useful.

This study will be undertaken through The CSIRO and the Australian National 
University. Animal ethics approval is pending through the CSIRO Sustainable 
Ecosystems Animal Ethics Committee. Please forward sightings to my CSIRO email: 


Damien.Farine AT csiro.au

Please feel free to forward this email to anyone offlist who might have 
sightings information, and I am happy to answer any queries regarding the 
project. 


Thank you all, and I look forward to hearing from you.
Damien
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