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12 Oct Test [Mick Farmer ]
04 Oct Test [Mick Farmer ]
29 Sep Cheshire and Wirral Orn Soc meeting - Friday 7th October 2011 - in Knutsford ["Sheila Blamire" ]
12 Sep Fw: Machi migration update ["Norman Deans van Swelm" ]
8 Sep Invitaton: Wikipedia/ Wildscreen event in Bristol, 15 September [Andy Mabbett ]
30 Aug Chinquapin made it!!!!!! ["Norman Deans van Swelm" ]
26 Aug Chinquapin flies into Irene's eye! ["Norman Deans van Swelm" ]
25 Aug Re: The economic crisis must be extremely serious ["Norman Deans van Swelm" ]
25 Aug Re: The economic crisis must be extremely serious ["Michael Watkins" ]
25 Aug Re: The economic crisis must be extremely serious [Paul Tout ]
23 Aug The economic crisis must be extremely serious ["Norman Deans van Swelm" ]
22 Aug Fw: Interview about the White-tailed Sea Eagle in Norway ["Norman Deans van Swelm" ]
15 Aug Re: OT: Butterfly or Moth? [Michael Rank ]
15 Aug Re: Not UK but may be of interest []
15 Aug Re: OT: Butterfly or Moth? []
15 Aug OT: Butterfly or Moth? [Mick Farmer ]
24 Jul lost fishing gear are a danger to wildlife ["Norman Deans van Swelm" ]
21 Jul Request for assistance translating Wikipedia articles about endangered species, from English [Andy Mabbett ]
13 Jul dredgers are destroying important Chinese tidal flats ["Norman Deans van Swelm" ]
4 Jul Re: Ukbirdnet List ["Sue Bryan" ]
4 Jul Saving the Spoon-billed Sandpiper from extinction an illusion? ["Norman Deans van Swelm" ]
04 Jul Re: Ukbirdnet List [Proact Campaigns ]
4 Jul Re: Ukbirdnet List [Bo Beolens ]
3 Jul Re: Ukbirdnet List ["Norman Deans van Swelm" ]
03 Jul Taxidermy - Juvenile Kittiwake [Mick Farmer ]
03 Jul Ukbirdnet List [Mick Farmer ]
29 Jun What to do if you feel your privacy is not respected! ["Norman Deans van Swelm" ]
28 Jun Northumberland (UK) Pelagics 2011 update ["Martin Kitching" ]
24 Jun Fwd: URGENT - TOMORROW FRIDAY, 25TH JUNE 11. DEADLINE. ACT NOW TO SAVE THE SCOTTISH HIGHLANDS, EAGLES, PREY BIRDS AND THE WILD MONADHLIATH [sylvia wallace ]
13 Jun Conversationists again attacked by criminal elements on Cyprus [Proact Campaigns ]
10 Jun Fwd: Scores of protected golden eagles dying after colliding with wind turbines * Daily Mail *6 June2011 [sylvia wallace ]
19 May Bio-fuels & eucalyptus-planting helping cause an eco-disaster ["Norman Deans van Swelm" ]
26 Apr Re: Climate change rubbish in Spring Watch! ["Norman Deans van Swelm" ]
26 Apr Re: Climate change rubbish in Spring Watch! ["Norman Deans van Swelm" ]
26 Apr Re: Climate change rubbish in Spring Watch! [Paul Tout ]
26 Apr Re: Climate change rubbish in Spring Watch! ["Michael Watkins" ]
26 Apr Re: Climate change rubbish in Spring Watch! [ ]
26 Apr Climate change rubbish in Spring Watch! ["Norman Deans van Swelm" ]
23 Apr Re: Hybrid YLGU michahelis subsp. x LBBG fuscus subsp.??? ["Stephen Welch" ]
16 Apr CABS Cyprus spring bird protection camp [Proact Campaigns ]
16 Apr Update Tristan da Cunha ["Norman Deans van Swelm" ]
16 Apr Windfarm company gets the wrong river, Galloway News, 14 Apr 11 [sylvia wallace ]
16 Apr Fwd: Protected species [sylvia wallace ]
16 Apr Rabbitt-hopping to get the Royal Vole ["Norman Deans van Swelm" ]
7 Apr Re: [RaptorBiology] Fwd: Rare Birds Killed [Malcolm Ogilvie ]
7 Apr Re: [RaptorBiology] Fwd: Rare Birds Killed [sylvia wallace ]
6 Apr Re: [RaptorBiology] Fwd: Rare Birds Killed [Malcolm Ogilvie ]
6 Apr Re: [RaptorBiology] Fwd: Rare Birds Killed [sylvia wallace ]
6 Apr Re: [RaptorBiology] Fwd: Rare Birds Killed [Malcolm Ogilvie ]
5 Apr Re: [RaptorBiology] Fwd: Rare Birds Killed [sylvia wallace ]
5 Apr Re: [RaptorBiology] Fwd: Rare Birds Killed [Malcolm Ogilvie ]
5 Apr Fwd: Rare Birds Killed [sylvia wallace ]
1 Apr Call for birding volunteers to help study population dynamics in Tambopata, Amazonian Peru [Chris Kirkby ]
1 Apr Re: spring migration dates for Common (Eurasian) Kestrel in western Europe ["Stephen Welch" ]
31 Mar spring migration dates for Common (Eurasian) Kestrel in western Europe ["Jim Barton" ]
29 Mar Test Your Skills ["Eddie Chapman" ]
23 Mar Fw: [OB] Mongolia revokes decision to allow leopard hunting for science ["Norman Deans van Swelm" ]
22 Mar Fw: [BirdsinRussia] snow leopard hunting? ["Norman Deans van Swelm" ]
15 Mar Volunteers for anti-bird trapping operations on Cyprus this spring [Proact Campaigns ]
14 Mar British beekeepers sponsored by producer beekilling pestiicide ["Norman Deans van Swelm" ]
4 Mar Fwd: RSPB [sylvia wallace ]
26 Feb Cheshire and Wirral Orn Soc meeting - Friday 4th March 2011 - in Knutsford ["Sheila Blamire" ]
17 Feb Re: Night-singing Woodpigeons ["Mike Alibone" ]
17 Feb Night-singing Woodpigeons ["Dave Appleton" ]
16 Feb Re: SAVE THE VALLE GROTARI MARANO LAGOON FROM DEVELOPMENT ["Jim Barton" ]
15 Feb Northumberland (UK) pelagics 2011 ["Martin Kitching" ]
15 Feb SAVE THE VALLE GROTARI MARANO LAGOON FROM DEVELOPMENT [Proact Campaigns ]
12 Feb Re: Your favourite bird in 2010 ["Roy Hargreaves" ]
12 Feb Fw: Why does Scotland need windmills? ["Norman Deans van Swelm" ]
12 Feb Re: Your favourite bird in 2010 [Malcolm Ogilvie ]
12 Feb Re: Why does Scotland need windmills? [sylvia wallace ]
12 Feb Re: Your favourite bird in 2010 ["Nick Morgan" ]
12 Feb Re: Why does Scotland need windmills? [sylvia wallace ]
10 Feb White-tailed Eagles love Egyptian Geese! ["Norman Deans van Swelm" ]
10 Feb Re: it's the American Mink or is it ["Norman Deans van Swelm" ]
9 Feb Re: it's the American Mink or is it ["Michael Watkins" ]

Subject: Test
From: Mick Farmer <mick AT dcs.bbk.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:23:03 +0100
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Subject: Test
From: Mick Farmer <mick AT dcs.bbk.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 19:43:46 +0100
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Subject: Cheshire and Wirral Orn Soc meeting - Friday 7th October 2011 - in Knutsford
From: "Sheila Blamire" <sheila AT onlybirding.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 12:22:40 +0100
This meeting should be of interest to anyone within a reasonable travelling
distance of Knutsford, Cheshire (Junction 19 M6 or junction 8 M56)

 

Friday 7th October 2011    *** Prompt start - two speakers! ***

 

'WETLAND BIRD SURVEY' by Neil Calbrade, WeBS Research Ecologist, BTO

An update on the WeBS work on the River Mersey, which is one of the key
sites currently in need of more counters to enable the long-term
ornithological interest of the river being monitored for its protection,
having recently come under threat from a proposed tidal barrage.  Although
this plan is now shelved, the future may well hold further developments,
given likely energy price hikes. 

 

'GALAPAGOS Ė TIMELESS AND FEARLESS' by Santiago Bejarano

A look at the natural history of this remarkable archipelago with a special
focus on the bird life.  Illustrated by beautiful photographs, Santiago will
talk about the four species of mockingbirds found in Galapagos, which were
the true inspiration for Darwin and his seminal work, as well as Galapagos
Finches and other unique species, like Galapagos Penguins, Flightless
Cormorants, three species of boobies, frigatebirds and the enigmatic and
graceful Waved Albatross. 

 

St Vincentís Roman Catholic Church Hall, Tatton Street, Knutsford, WA16 6HR
*** NEW VENUE! ***

Both the church and hall are very close to the Knutsford entrance to Tatton
Park and there is a large (and free) car park off Tatton Street.

 

An entrance fee of £2.00 to members and £4.00 for non-members will be
charged at all meetings except the AGM when there will be free admission.  A
coffee break is taken halfway through the evening.  The doors open at 7:30pm
for a 7:45pm start.

 

For further information contact Clive Richards: progsec AT cawos.org
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Subject: Fw: Machi migration update
From: "Norman Deans van Swelm" <norman.vanswelm AT wxs.nl>
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:19:52 +0200
stupid shooters, can't tell a Whimbrel from a duck let alone an Eskimo Curlew!
Cheers, Norman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Smith, Fletcher M 
To: Smith, Fletcher M 
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 7:15 PM
Subject: Machi migration update


I was just informed seconds ago by Anthony Levesque (Biologist in French West 
Indies) that one of our satellite tagged whimbrels was shot today on Guadalupe. 
Based on the individual tag from the bird (AXP), the bird is indeed Machi, who 
likely landed in Guadalupe to rest from the daunting task of flying through the 
storm and had the misfortune of landing in a hunting swamp. 


 

I can only hope that Goshen does not stay there long.  

 

Fletcher

 

 

 

Fletcher Smith

Research Biologist

The Center for Conservation Biology

The College of William and Mary/Virginia Commonwealth University

Williamsburg, VA

757-221-1617 (Office)

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Subject: Invitaton: Wikipedia/ Wildscreen event in Bristol, 15 September
From: Andy Mabbett <andy AT pigsonthewing.org.uk>
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 12:39:21 +0100
Birders are invited to one of a pair of events in Bristol...

Conservation charity 'Wildscreen' is teaming up with Wikimedia UK to
run a pair of events to raise awareness of the plight of endangered
species. They'll be helping volunteers to improve Wikipedia articles
about the species, using text from Wildscreen's award winning ARKive
project .

The events will be suitable for people who've never edited Wikipedia
before - it's easy to do, and fun - but you will need to bring a wi-fi
enabled laptop or similar device.

The events will be held at The Watershed, the Harbourside, Bristol, on
Thursday 15 September, one in the afternoon and one in the evening.

You can read more about Wildscreen, ARKive and the events themselves,
at 

Places are limited, so book now!

-- 
Andy Mabbett
Wikipedia Outreach Ambassador to ARKive
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Subject: Chinquapin made it!!!!!!
From: "Norman Deans van Swelm" <norman.vanswelm AT wxs.nl>
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 23:09:45 +0200
YES!


http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Hurricane/irene-match-chinquapin-bird-flies-hurricane-canada-brazil/story?id=14407339 


  From: Smith, Fletcher M 
  To: Smith, Fletcher M 
  Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:27 PM
  Subject: Whimbrels on move into storm


  Hi all,

   

 Attached is the most recent press release regarding "Chinquapin's" flight 
directly into the eye of Hurricane Irene. Check seaturtle.org tomorrow to see 
the current status. We expect transmissions around 4pm eastern time today, 
though maps won't update until tomorrow. You can also follow the other 3 live 
birds, including Goshen who flew around the east edge of the storm and landed 
in Montserrat (in the volcano exclusion zone), and Hope and Machi that are 
directly in Irene's path in coastal Virginia. 


   

 Chinquapin was captured and processed by our partners at Georgia Department of 
Natural Resources Non-game Division in spring 2010. 


   

  Fletcher

   


   

  Fletcher Smith

  Research Biologist

  The Center for Conservation Biology

  The College of William and Mary/Virginia Commonwealth University

  Williamsburg, VA

  757-221-1617 (Office)

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Subject: Chinquapin flies into Irene's eye!
From: "Norman Deans van Swelm" <norman.vanswelm AT wxs.nl>
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 21:47:28 +0200
The American Whimbrel Chinquapin fitted with an satellite receiver is a real 
stormchaser, see:







   http://www.ccb-wm.org/programs/migration/Whimbrel/whimbrel.htm





While it is in her eye it better stays put until Irene eases!
Norman 

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Subject: Re: The economic crisis must be extremely serious
From: "Norman Deans van Swelm" <norman.vanswelm AT wxs.nl>
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 23:13:57 +0200

  When we go there Paul I suggest I'll tak the dram and ye'll tak the rook!
  Cheers, Norman

 Paul Tout wrote: >There has long been a tradition of eating 'branchers' in UK 
(fledgling rooks that are out the nest but haven't yet taken their first 
flight). 


  I think we'll all be eating rook pie before long:

  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/gardening/3300692/Pie-from-the-sky.html

 My guess is that the landlord could have served the rook salad free with a 
particular pint that cost £8 or £10. 

  There's always a way around these things.

  Ciao!

  Paul


  > From: norman.vanswelm AT wxs.nl
  > To: ukbirdnet AT dcs.bbk.ac.uk
  > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 22:51:01 +0200
  > Subject: [UKbirdnet] The economic crisis must be extremely serious
  >  
  > if one orders a Rook for lunch! see:
  > 

          http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14631856


  > Cheers, Norman
  > -------------------------------------------------------------
  > Every time Prime Minister Cameron cries: 'Where are the fathers?' I ask 
  > myself: has the man no TV? In a test tube ofcourse Prime Minister! Where 
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Subject: Re: The economic crisis must be extremely serious
From: "Michael Watkins" <michaelwatkins936 AT btinternet.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:45:55 +0100
I have always thought that the nursery rhyme "Four-and-twenty blackbirds" 
referred to rook pie? 


Mike Watkins
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Tout 
  To: Norman Van Swelm ; UKBN 
  Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 7:33 AM
  Subject: Re: [UKbirdnet] The economic crisis must be extremely serious


 There has long been a tradition of eating 'branchers' in UK (fledgling rooks 
that are out the nest but haven't yet taken their first flight). 


  I think we'll all be eating rook pie before long:

  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/gardening/3300692/Pie-from-the-sky.html

 My guess is that the landlord could have served the rook salad free with a 
particular pint that cost £8 or £10. 

  There's always a way around these things.

  Ciao!

  Paul


  > From: norman.vanswelm AT wxs.nl
  > To: ukbirdnet AT dcs.bbk.ac.uk
  > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 22:51:01 +0200
  > Subject: [UKbirdnet] The economic crisis must be extremely serious
  > 
  > 
  > if one orders a Rook for lunch! see:
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14631856
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > Cheers, Norman
  > -------------------------------------------------------------
  > Every time Prime Minister Cameron cries: 'Where are the fathers?' I ask 
  > myself: has the man no TV? In a test tube ofcourse Prime Minister! Where 
  > else?
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Subject: Re: The economic crisis must be extremely serious
From: Paul Tout <tout AT xnet.it>
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:33:42 +0200
There has long been a tradition of eating 'branchers' in UK (fledgling rooks 
that are out the nest but haven't yet taken their first flight). 


I think we'll all be eating rook pie before long:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/gardening/3300692/Pie-from-the-sky.html

My guess is that the landlord could have served the rook salad free with a 
particular pint that cost £8 or £10. 

There's always a way around these things.

Ciao!

Paul

> From: norman.vanswelm AT wxs.nl
> To: ukbirdnet AT dcs.bbk.ac.uk
> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 22:51:01 +0200
> Subject: [UKbirdnet] The economic crisis must be extremely serious
> 
> 
> if one orders a Rook for lunch! see:
> 
> 
> 
>    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14631856
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers, Norman
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> Every time Prime Minister Cameron cries: 'Where are the fathers?' I ask 
> myself: has the man no TV? In a test tube ofcourse Prime Minister! Where 
> else?
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Subject: The economic crisis must be extremely serious
From: "Norman Deans van Swelm" <norman.vanswelm AT wxs.nl>
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 22:51:01 +0200
if one orders a Rook for lunch! see:



   http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14631856



Cheers, Norman
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myself: has the man no TV? In a test tube ofcourse Prime Minister! Where 
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Subject: Fw: Interview about the White-tailed Sea Eagle in Norway
From: "Norman Deans van Swelm" <norman.vanswelm AT wxs.nl>
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:32:39 +0200
FYI

Windmills at sea get bigger and bigger according to BBC Newsnight and the 
numbers explode but what about birds? I think it is worth reading this 
interview with my old friend Alv Ottar Folkestad and the very sad fate of 
White-tailed Eagles on the coast of N.Norway. 

Cheers, Norman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: mark duchamp 
To: mark duchamp 
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 12:09 AM
Subject: Interview about the White-tailed Sea Eagle in Norway




A very informative interview on the WTE. Alv Ottar is arguably the foremost 
expert on the species in Europe. Don't miss this part: 


"Markus Jais: What other threats to White-tailed Eagles do exist in Norway? 
Alv Ottar Folkestad: During the history it has time and again been demonstrated 
that the main threats to the White-tailed Eagle are connected to human 
activity, directly or less directly. For about a century and a half it was 
persecution. Today it is land use in different ways, forestry, tourist 
industry, boating, and hiking, but what to me is a really scaring prospective 
is the way wind power development has been introduced in this country. The 
first wind power plant of significant size in Norway, on Sm√łla, is localized 
into the most spectacular performance of nesting concentration of White-tailed 
Eagles ever known. There are plans for making wind power into huge dimensions, 
and most of them localized in the most pristine coastal landscape of the most 
important areas of the White-tailed Eagle. During the last five and a half 
years, the wind power plant on Sm√łla has been killing 40 white-tailed eagles, 
27 of them adult or sub adult birds, and 11 of them during 2010. There are no 
mitigating measures taken so far, and hardly any to think of, and there is no 
indication of adaptation among the eagles to such constructions. " 



http://europeanraptors.org/interviews/interview_white_tailed_eagle_norway_alv_ottar_folkestad.htmlhttp://europeanraptors.org/interviews/interview_white_tailed_eagle_norway_alv_ottar_folkestad.html 


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Subject: Re: OT: Butterfly or Moth?
From: Michael Rank <rank AT mailbox.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 22:42:47 +0100
Ispot ispot.org.uk is extremely useful for identifying invertebrates  
(and any other living thing). I also had Jersey tigers on outside  
window of our house in London N1 and identified them through ispot.

Michael
On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:58, Mick Farmer wrote:

> Dear UKBNers,
>
> These creatures are common around my house in Lewisham,
> South London.  I think it's a moth because it sits like
> this all day.  Can anyone identify it?  It's on a wooden
> chair in our back garden.
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Subject: Re: Not UK but may be of interest
From: Grahamekins AT aol.com
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:43:59 -0400 (EDT)
Hi all,
For those who may be interested in South American wildlife I  have just put 
on to my Flickr site 2 folders, one of Tierra del Fuego birds  and mammals 
and the other is of scenic shots of the same area. These images  were taken 
during the 2 weeks before I boarded the Plancius in late March  for a 6 
week 
trip visiting Antarctica and the South Atlantic Islands.  
Regards,
Graham
Boreham,  Essex
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Subject: Re: OT: Butterfly or Moth?
From: Grahamekins AT aol.com
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:49:11 -0400 (EDT)
Hi Mick,
Jersey Tiger, Euplagia quadripunctaria.
has a bright orange or red underwing when disturbed.
Regards,
Graham
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Subject: OT: Butterfly or Moth?
From: Mick Farmer <mick AT dcs.bbk.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:58:36 +0100
Dear UKBNers,

These creatures are common around my house in Lewisham,
South London.  I think it's a moth because it sits like
this all day.  Can anyone identify it?  It's on a wooden
chair in our back garden.

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Subject: lost fishing gear are a danger to wildlife
From: "Norman Deans van Swelm" <norman.vanswelm AT wxs.nl>
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 15:17:55 +0200
however sometimes miracles happen, see here:



 
http://www.care2.com/causes/humpback-whales-amazing-rescue-caught-on-tape-video.html 
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Subject: Request for assistance translating Wikipedia articles about endangered species, from English
From: Andy Mabbett <andy AT pigsonthewing.org.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:29:15 +0100
Greetings, friends,

I have been appointed Wikipedia Outreach Ambassador [1] to ARKive [2],
who have kindly agreed to donate an initial 200 article texts about
endangered species (including several birds) from their project, to
Wikipedia, under a CC-BY-SA license. Details are on the GLAM/ARKive
project page on en-WP [3]. We are endeavouring to include species from
all continents and major sub-continents.

As English-language Wikipedia articles are improved by the addition of
text from ARKive (something those of you familiar with Wikipedia might
also want to help with), we would like to invite colleagues with the
necessary language skills to translate the articles (or the additions
to them) into other languages (there are 282 different-language
versions of Wikipedia [4]), in recognition of ARKive's kind donation
and to further raise awareness of the plight of the endangered species
- and, of course, to grow our multi-lingual encyclopedia.

The articles have improved to date are listed on a sub-section of the
project page [5]

Can you assist us, please, by translating articles once they are
improved, or by informing others who may wish to do so? Perhaps
students who are learning a the target language, or English, and need
practise?



[1] Appointed by WikimediaUK; see:

http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/ARKive_project
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http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/appointed-wikipedia-outreach-ambassador-arkive/

[2] ARKive an initiative of the charity Wildscreen which aims to
promote the protection of threatened species using the emotive power
of wildlife films and photographs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARKive
+
http://www.arkive.org/

[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/ARKive

[4] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias

[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/ARKive#Work_done



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Subject: dredgers are destroying important Chinese tidal flats
From: "Norman Deans van Swelm" <norman.vanswelm AT wxs.nl>
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:48:05 +0200
see here:




 http://worldwaders.posterous.com/where-are-the-red-knots-of-the-eaaf-during-sp 

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Subject: Re: Ukbirdnet List
From: "Sue Bryan" <Sue AT klmatrix.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 15:46:35 +0100
Re: [UKbirdnet] Ukbirdnet ListI too would like to thank Mick for all he has 
done over the years. The news relating to birds has been exceptional. I hope 
you enjoy your retirement. 


If James is willing and can find a second 'helper' that would be fantastic.

Sue

Sue Bryan
Tel 01485 600217
Mob 07843586625
http://www.freewebs.com/suebryan/
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve Dudley 
  To: James Cracknell ; Mick Farmer 
  Cc: UKBN 
  Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 9:26 AM
  Subject: Re: [UKbirdnet] Ukbirdnet List


  Hi Mick

 I agree with James about the way forward if someone wishes to take it to one 
of the other group hosting services. 


 I think you've done a great job with UKBirdnet over the years and I think it 
only just that we let you slip off in to the sunset to enjoy your retirement 
with the burden of a group like this. Thanks and all the best for your 
retirement. 


  Cheers, Steve



  On 03/07/2011 21:33, "James Cracknell"  wrote:


    Hi Mick

 I go for close down the list. I feel that Surfbirds & Birdforum has taken over 
these days. If someone wishes to take it to Google Groups or Yahoo then I go 
for an agreement on who (or the many) who will start a group and then give 
people the option to subscribe. 


 Enjoy your retirement and thank you. It has been some time since you took 
things over from Jeff when the list was housed at BT Research HQ, 


    all the best

    James

    On 3 July 2011 20:49, Mick Farmer  wrote:

      Dear List Members,

      I'm due to retire at the end of September this year and have
      given some thought about the future of this list.  It seems
      to me that there are three obvious options.

      1. We agree to close down the list.
      2. Someone else takes over the list on their own computing
         equipment.
      3. I continue to run the list from home.

      Let me provide some background information.

      Although the list membership is healthy, we don't get the
      volume of e-mails that we enjoyed in the past.  As an
      example, there was only a single e-mail sent in June this
      year.

      The software maintaining the list is Gnu's Mailman package
      which is very popular and requires very little intervention
      from the list maintainer.

      Personally, I would like to stop maintaining the list and
      spend more time out in the field.

      So, essentially it appears to be a choice between closing
      down or continuing elsewhere.  However, it's your decision
      at the end of the day.  Let me know, via the list, what you
      would like to see happen.  I'll keep a tally of your
      responses, including any alternatives that I've not
      considered, and will post an analysis in a month's time.

      In the meantime, happy birdwatching!

      Regards,

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Subject: Saving the Spoon-billed Sandpiper from extinction an illusion?
From: "Norman Deans van Swelm" <norman.vanswelm AT wxs.nl>
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 14:38:15 +0200
Charlie Moores (http://www.talking-naturally.co.uk & http://www.birdskorea.org) 


released a podcast with Dr Debbie Pain of the UK's Wetlands and Wildfowl Trust. 
Dr Pain is one of the lead conservationists in the captive/conservation 
breeding programme of Spoon-billed Sandpipers Eurynorhynchus pygmaeus which it 
is hoped will act as a buffer against the extinction of this Critically 
Endangered and iconic shorebird. The podcast is on the Talking Naturally 
website at 




 
http://www.talking-naturally.co.uk/tn44-dr-debbie-pain-spoon-billed-sandpiper-conservation-breeding-programme/ 




The breaking up of animal populations increases those populations when the 
fragmented parts find suitable habitats to settle (examples: the total number 
of Europeans increased dramatically after they settled in various parts of the 
world outside Europe; the total number of Spoonbills Platalea leucorodia in NW 
Europe increased significantly after Red Foxes Vulpes vulpes raided the until 
then small number of colonies in The Netherlands; the small number of breeding 
Grey-lag Geese Anser anser in The Netherlands exploded after farmers pressed 
conservation bodies to destroy goose nests on their properties; thanks to the 
late Dr.Lambart von Essen Swedish Lesser White-fronted Geese Anser erythropus 
now have a population which winters in The Netherlands after eggs of this 
endangered species were given to foster by other goose species with a different 
and safer migration route i.e. Barnacle Goose Branta leucopsis wintering SW 
instead as SE and E from the breeding area as Lesser White-fronted Geese do). 
The phenomenon known as Norman's Law. 


So can fragmenting the Spoon-billed Sandpiper population save the species from 
becoming extinct or is it too late since we did too little to persuade the 
government of South Korea not to destroy it's habitat in that country? 

Norman


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Subject: Re: Ukbirdnet List
From: Proact Campaigns <proact-campaigns AT online.de>
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2011 08:25:09 +0200
I agree 100 % with James. It would be a shame for UKBN to disappear 
completely - and Birdforum is not a (democratic) alternative. A Yahoo 
group would be good.

David

On 03.07.2011 22:33, James Cracknell wrote:
> I go for close down the list.  I feel that Surfbirds & Birdforum has 
> taken over these days.  If someone wishes to take it to Google Groups 
> or Yahoo then I go for an agreement on who (or the many) who will 
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Subject: Re: Ukbirdnet List
From: Bo Beolens <bo.beolens AT btinternet.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 06:25:18 +0100
I'd hate to see it close as it is a way of contacting birders nationwide and is 
not fragmented like a forum... I wish I could offer to take it on but with a 
number of very busy websites to run, two other mailing groups, writing and work 
I just don't have time 


bo

On 3 Jul 2011, at 20:49, Mick Farmer wrote:

> Dear List Members,
> 
> I'm due to retire at the end of September this year and have
> given some thought about the future of this list.  It seems
> to me that there are three obvious options.
> 
> 1. We agree to close down the list.
> 2. Someone else takes over the list on their own computing
>   equipment.
> 3. I continue to run the list from home.
> 
> Let me provide some background information.
> 
> Although the list membership is healthy, we don't get the
> volume of e-mails that we enjoyed in the past.  As an
> example, there was only a single e-mail sent in June this
> year.
> 
> The software maintaining the list is Gnu's Mailman package
> which is very popular and requires very little intervention
> from the list maintainer.
> 
> Personally, I would like to stop maintaining the list and
> spend more time out in the field.
> 
> So, essentially it appears to be a choice between closing
> down or continuing elsewhere.  However, it's your decision
> at the end of the day.  Let me know, via the list, what you
> would like to see happen.  I'll keep a tally of your
> responses, including any alternatives that I've not
> considered, and will post an analysis in a month's time.
> 
> In the meantime, happy birdwatching!
> 
> Regards,
> 
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Subject: Re: Ukbirdnet List
From: "Norman Deans van Swelm" <norman.vanswelm AT wxs.nl>
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 22:32:29 +0200
Dear Mick,
Congratulations with your upcoming retirement and thank you for maintaining 
the list the way you did it all these years. If I were to choose an option 
it surely was to be no 3! Though naturally I wouldn't dare to keep you from 
going into the field even though I can assure you the field isn't what it 
used to be! Also with the various predictions of climate change, either too 
hot or too cold, you may prefer to stay at home sometimes and then what will 
you do?
Anyway, should you come to this side of the North Sea, don't hesitate to get 
in touch, I'll show you the place and if available one or two Eskimo 
Curlews!
Cheers and have a great time, Norman

Mick Farmer wrote: > I'm due to retire at the end of September this year and 
have
> given some thought about the future of this list.  It seems
> to me that there are three obvious options.
>
> 1. We agree to close down the list.
> 2. Someone else takes over the list on their own computing
>   equipment.
> 3. I continue to run the list from home.
>
> Let me provide some background information.
>
> Although the list membership is healthy, we don't get the
> volume of e-mails that we enjoyed in the past.  As an
> example, there was only a single e-mail sent in June this
> year.
>
> The software maintaining the list is Gnu's Mailman package
> which is very popular and requires very little intervention
> from the list maintainer.
>
> Personally, I would like to stop maintaining the list and
> spend more time out in the field.
>
> So, essentially it appears to be a choice between closing
> down or continuing elsewhere.  However, it's your decision
> at the end of the day.  Let me know, via the list, what you
> would like to see happen.  I'll keep a tally of your
> responses, including any alternatives that I've not
> considered, and will post an analysis in a month's time.
>
> In the meantime, happy birdwatching!
>
> Regards,
>
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Subject: Taxidermy - Juvenile Kittiwake
From: Mick Farmer <mick AT dcs.bbk.ac.uk>
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 21:01:04 +0100
Dear Birders,

I'm due to retire at the end of September this year and I'm
trying to clear the decks.

I have a stuffed juvenile kittiwake on offer.
Unfortunately, the glass dome broke during my recent move,
although I do have all the glass pieces.  I think it's a
good specimen.

If anyone is interested, it's free to the first person who
can collect it from Birkbeck College in central London.

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Subject: Ukbirdnet List
From: Mick Farmer <mick AT dcs.bbk.ac.uk>
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 20:49:04 +0100
Dear List Members,

I'm due to retire at the end of September this year and have
given some thought about the future of this list.  It seems
to me that there are three obvious options.

1. We agree to close down the list.
2. Someone else takes over the list on their own computing
   equipment.
3. I continue to run the list from home.

Let me provide some background information.

Although the list membership is healthy, we don't get the
volume of e-mails that we enjoyed in the past.  As an
example, there was only a single e-mail sent in June this
year.

The software maintaining the list is Gnu's Mailman package
which is very popular and requires very little intervention
from the list maintainer.

Personally, I would like to stop maintaining the list and
spend more time out in the field.

So, essentially it appears to be a choice between closing
down or continuing elsewhere.  However, it's your decision
at the end of the day.  Let me know, via the list, what you
would like to see happen.  I'll keep a tally of your
responses, including any alternatives that I've not
considered, and will post an analysis in a month's time.

In the meantime, happy birdwatching!

Regards,

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Subject: What to do if you feel your privacy is not respected!
From: "Norman Deans van Swelm" <norman.vanswelm AT wxs.nl>
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 13:01:10 +0200
   http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/punctuated-equilibrium/2011/jun/28/2

    

we can learn so much from our beloved gulls!
Cheers, Norma
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Subject: Northumberland (UK) Pelagics 2011 update
From: "Martin Kitching" <Martin.Kitching1 AT btopenworld.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 14:09:06 +0100
Afternoon all



With places selling rapidly on our pelagic trips over the next few months, I 
thought it would be a good time to post an update. As well as our regular 4hr 
and 8hr pelagics on the SarahJFK, we're repeating our groundbreaking Farne 
Deeps pelagic of 2010. This year, however, we've got 2 sailings out to the area 
with the highest pelagic biodiversity off the northeast coast; one from Royal 
Quays, covering a lot of sea in both directions, and one from Seahouses, 
covering less sea there and back...and a bit quicker! 




Northern Experience Pelagic Trip Programme 2011

 

Friday 22nd July 2011

A 4-hour evening pelagic departing Royal Quays Marina at 18:00. Cost £30 per 
person. Target species; Storm Petrel, Great Skua, cetaceans 1 place remaining 


 

Wednesday 27th July 2011

A 5-hour pelagic to the Farne Deeps on a high-speed RIB, departing Seahouses 
Harbour, time tbc. Cost £70 per person. Target species; White-beaked Dolphin, 
Common Dolphin, Minke Whale 


 

Friday 29th July 2011

A 4-hour evening pelagic departing Royal Quays Marina at 18:00. Cost £30 per 
person. Target species; Storm Petrel, Great Skua, cetaceans 1 place remaining 


 

Wednesday 3rd August 2011

A 4-hour evening pelagic departing Royal Quays Marina at 18:00. Cost £30 per 
person. Target species; Storm Petrel, Great Skua, cetaceans 1 place remaining 


 

Thursday 11th August 2011

A 10-hour pelagic to the Farne Deeps departing Royal Quays Marina at 08:00. 
Cost £70 per person. Target species; White-beaked Dolphin, Common Dolphin, 
Minke Whale 


 

Saturday 3rd September 2011

An 8-hour day pelagic departing Royal Quays Marina at 09:00. Cost £47.50 per 
person. Target species; skuas, shearwaters, cetaceans 4 places remaining 


 

Saturday 10th September 2011

A 4-hour Whale and Dolphin Cruise departing Seahouses Harbour at 10:00. Cost 
£35/adult, £20/child. Target species; White-beaked Dolphin, Minke Whale, 
Harbour Porpoise. 


 

Saturday 17th September 2011

An 8-hour day pelagic departing Royal Quays Marina at 09:00. Cost £47.50 per 
person. Target species; skuas, shearwaters, cetaceans 


 

Participants should bring their own food and drink and warm/waterproof 
clothing. 


 

To reserve a place on any of these trips, please contact Martin Kitching 
martin AT newtltd.co.uk or (01670) 827465 and send a deposit of £10 per person per 
trip (cheque payable to ĎNorthern Experience Wildlife Tours Ltdí, 
non-refundable if you cancel at a later date) to NEWT Ltd, 18 Frances Ville, 
Scotland Gate, Northumberland, NE62 5ST. Alternatively, you can book online at 
http://www.newtltd.co.uk/tours.php?id=15. The balance of payment is due 2 weeks 
before sailing. 


Martin Kitching


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Subject: Fwd: URGENT - TOMORROW FRIDAY, 25TH JUNE 11. DEADLINE. ACT NOW TO SAVE THE SCOTTISH HIGHLANDS, EAGLES, PREY BIRDS AND THE WILD MONADHLIATH
From: sylvia wallace <sylvia.wallace AT gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 13:53:50 +0100
Please remember   DEADLINE 5PM TODAY
 *THE HIGHLAND-WIDE LOCAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN
SUPPLEMENTARY GUIDANCE: ONSHORE WIND ENERGY*

Available online at:
http://www.higvhland.gov.uk/yourenvironment/planning/consultations.htm

email representations to: devplans AT highland.gov.uk

fax representations to     : 01463 702298

*Comments must be received by no later than 5.00pm on Friday 24 June 2011*

Highland Council is inviting comments on ďthe methodology used and the
spatial framework being developedĒ for the siting of wind farms in the
Highlands.

Below are some points you may wish to include in your representation on the
Guidance.

*Please do not copy the points verbatum because several representations
using the same wording devalue the point being made. The points below should
serve only as prompts which you can then express in your own words.*

∑         Welcome the opportunity to make comment.

∑         Highland Council states that it ďsees hydro-electric and onshore
wind power continuing to be the main sources of renewable energy supply for
some time whilst other technologies develop.Ē *Challenge* the benefit of
relying on wind power generation (variability, cost, unreliability, need for
base load etc.)

∑         We are told that the new guidance has been developed to ďfollow
Scottish Planning PolicyĒ because this ďsets out the approach that Planning
Authorities (including The Highland Council) should follow in planning for
renewable energy and in particular, large wind farms.Ē  *Question* whether
Highland Council should automatically follow Scottish Government policy. The
Councilís primary duty is to the people and the environment of the
Highlands. If fulfilling this role conflicts with Scottish Government policy
the Council should challenge the policy. There is a recent precedent for
this when several Local Authorities (including Highland) refused to comply
with Scottish Government policy not to close any rural schools for a year.

∑         *Object* to any more windfarm developments in Highland. Already
many beautiful views are blighted by wind farms. The visual impacts affect
not only the areas nearby the wind farms but also the long distance views
for which the Highlands are famous. Further proliferation of wind farms will
result in visual pollution in every direction as visitors and residents
travel around the region.

                        The natural environment is one of the main
attractions for visitors and tourism is the mainstay of the Highland
economy. Ruining the scenery and threatening iconic wildlife species such as
eagles will ruin much of the tourist industry.

∑         The Highlands serve as an increasingly important area for active
recreation as well as a place to come to escape the stress, noise and pace
of daily life endured by many people in todayís world.  Highland Council
should recognise this important role and use every means possible to protect
it for present and future generations. *Highlight* why you feel it is
important that further industrialisation of the Highlands by wind farms
should not be permitted.

∑          Categorising developments into micro, small, medium and large is
an acceptable method for determining policy and guidance for different sizes
of developments but it is important that *ALL categories are properly
advertised and a period allowed for public consultation.* Small and medium
developments have considerable potential to cause significant visual
intrusion and noise locally and due consideration must be given to these
impacts.  The planning applications should be determined by planning
committees and not through delegated powers.

∑         While it is acceptable to run pilot areas (the Monadhliath and
Caithnesss) to develop a mechanism for providing guidance on windfarm
siting, all areas of Highland should be similarly mapped at the earliest
opportunity, otherwise some areas will be at risk from a rash of
applications because they have not been sub-divided into areas for
protection and possible Broad Search Areas.

∑         *Agree *that ďsignificant protectionĒ is given to areas designated
nationally or internationally for their national or international landscape
and natural heritage value but protection of adjacent areas also should be
considered. Significant protection criteria should also be applied to areas
where medium scale developments may take place, particularly because if
several medium scale developments were approved for an area they would
appear as one large development.

∑         The guidance on a 2k separation distance should apply to an
individual, isolated dwelling as well as cities, towns and villages

∑         *Areas of wild land must be afforded significant protection from
all wind farm development whether or not the area has any formal
designations.  The Monadhliath is one such area. *The total area of wild
land in Scotland has declined considerably in the last few years and
according to Scottish Natural heritage this is mainly due to wind farm
developments. The decline should be halted and the Guidance could facilitate
this.

∑         The criteria for favoured areas for development within Broad
Search Areas should include the area is no more than *4k* *from any road * (not
just A and B roads) and  has *no areas of deep peat.*

∑         Furthermore, areas close to the proposed Beauly Denny line should
not be favoured at present as there is some doubt as to whether the line
will be built and even if it does go ahead it will be several years before
it is operational, during which time the national policy on wind power
generation may well have changed.

∑         *Disagree *with the Councilís expressed Policy that ď*wind energy
development and any associated infrastructure will only be permitted if it
can be demonstrated that the scheme meets the requirements of Scottish
Planning policyĒ. * Highland Council should be prepared to challenge
Scottish Government policy if it is not in the best interests of Highland.

∑         The Monadhliath was used as a pilot area because it is under
considerable threat from large scale wind farm developments. The Monadhliath
is one of the few remaining areas of remote, wild land in the UK. This
should be recognised and everything necessary done to protect the whole
area. *No part of the Monadhliath should ever be considered as a Broad Area
of Search.                    *

∑         The second pilot area was Caithness and Caithness Information
Forum has commented comprehensively on this area. ENDS**

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Subject: Conversationists again attacked by criminal elements on Cyprus
From: Proact Campaigns <proact-campaigns AT online.de>
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:18:17 +0200
During our spring camp we were accompanied for some of the time by a 
film crew from Stern TV (German RTL). They made a short documentary (10 
mins) which included one of our teams - and them - being attacked by 
poachers (the teams reported similar incidents almost every day - but 
this is the only one on film). The short film, entitled  "Dirty business 
- how millions of birds end up as table delicacies" is online at


http://www.stern.de/tv/sterntv/dunkles-geschaeft-wie-millionen-voegel-als-delikatesse-enden-1693660.html 



The film is in German but speaks for itself. We are intending to make 
sure that the top responsible people on Cyprus see it. Later we will 
pass a version with English commentary to the news media in other countries

The film was shown as part of the Stern TV current affairs programme 
broadcastfrom the Cologne studio last Wednesday evening that regularly 
attracts more than 5 million viewers. Our General Secretary Alexander 
Heyd was a studio guest of the host Steffen Hallaschka and gave a cool 
and collected 10 minute interview.

The story got front page cover in the Cyprus Mail - 
http://www.cyprus-mail.com/crime/poachers-mafia-operation/20110611.

We kept a low profile this spring for security reasons so we didn't 
publicise our camp as widely in the past. I will represent CABS on 
Cyprus from 5 - 8 July at the Council of Europe conference on Illegal 
Bird Killing in Europe: 
http://www.coe.int/t/dg4/cultureheritage/nature/Bern/News/Cyprus/Cyprus_en.asp 
organisedby the Council of Europe/Bern Convention and locally hosted by 
the Cyprus Game Fund.

Our full report on our spring camp has now been published, is online at 

http://www.komitee.de/en/actions-and-projects/cyprus/2011-spring-bpc/final-report-spring-2011. 

It has been sent to all responsible ministers and law enforcement 
agencies on Cyprus. It is also included in the conference dossier.

Thanks for your interest.

David --
David Conlin
Proact International www.proact-campaigns.net/team joining costs nothing 
..... doing nothing costs birds Committee Against Bird Slaughter (CABS) 
http://www.komitee.de/en/ .... actively operating against illegal 
hunting across Europe
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Subject: Fwd: Scores of protected golden eagles dying after colliding with wind turbines * Daily Mail *6 June2011
From: sylvia wallace <sylvia.wallace AT gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:50:50 +0100
   *Subject:* AK Re: Scores of protected golden eagles dying after colliding
with wind turbines * Daily Mail *6 June2011

**

*http://warmwell.com/raptors.html**
*


*June 6th 2011 ~ Scores of protected golden eagles dying after colliding
with wind turbines
*


   The Daily Mail reports on the situation in  California where

   "attempts to switch to green energy have inadvertently put the survival
      of the stateís golden eagles at risk. Scores of the protected birds have
      been dying each year after colliding with the blades of about 5,000 wind
      turbines. Now the drive for renewable power sources, such as
wind and the
      sun, being promoted by President Obama and state Governor Jerry
Brown has
      raised fears that the number of newborn golden eagles may not be able to
      keep pace with the number of turbine fatalities...."

   Field biologist Doug  Bell, manager of East Bay Regional Park District's
   wildlife programme, told  the Los Angeles Times that it would take 167 pairs
   of local nesting golden  eagles to produce enough young to compensate for
   their mortality rate related  to wind energy production - and that there are
   only 60 pairs. In America about  440,000 birds are said to be accidentally
   killed at wind farms each year, as  well as thousands more bats. The
   California Condor, who was saved from  extinction by public donations, is
   now also said to be at risk from turbines'  giant blades.



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Subject: Bio-fuels & eucalyptus-planting helping cause an eco-disaster
From: "Norman Deans van Swelm" <norman.vanswelm AT wxs.nl>
Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 10:56:45 +0200
FYI

Brazil: Amazon rainforest deforestation rises sharply
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-13449792

The fact that "much of the destruction has been in Mato Grosso state, the 
centre of soya farming in Brazil" does not necesarily mean that soya is the 
main cause of this increase in deforestation. Bio-fuels (ethanol) from sugar 
cane are big business in Brazil, and so is eucalyptus planting, which is 
thriving thanks to the issuance of "carbon offsets" or "carbon credits" which 
are bought by CO2-emitting industries in the developed countries. Eucalyptus 
planting, by the way, has far-reaching consequences: it is a very successful 
"invading species" which has the property of changing local eco-systems into 
dryer, poorer environments. 


When it is known that CO2 is actually helping the planet become greener (more 
vegetation, less deserts), one can realize the extent of the environmental 
disaster that is being promoted by the bureaucracies of Brussels and Washington 
as they religiously listen to politically-motivated NGOs like Greenpeace, FoE, 
WWF etc. 


Also of interest in the article: "Proponents of change say the law impedes 
economic development and contend that Brazil must open more land for 
agriculture." 

This begs for the following comments: 1) as more land is being used for bio 
fuels and eucalyptus planting, more arable land is needed for agriculture, 
hence more deforestation. This, hopefully, will stop when (if) we get rid of 
the lunatics who are day-dreaming about a no-carbon economy in Washington and 
Brussels; 2) as population continues to grow rapidly in poor countries, more 
land is needed to feed everyone. The world's incremental population amounts to 
about 80 million people yearly, net of mortality; so you may imagine what will 
be left of the Amazon forest and the jungles of Borneo and Equatorial Africa in 
50 years' time. That's without counting an eventual "little ice age" that would 
reduce the extent of arable land in Canada, Russia, China, and the US. 


The argument of the "growth-at-all-costs" advocates is that the UN predicts the 
world population will stabilize at 9 billion in 2050. But this prediction is 
based on the hypothetical and highly unlikely end of poverty in the less 
developed world. We¬īve seen with global warming that politically-motivated 
predictions are no more than wishful thinking. So we would be well-advised not 
to give credence to the UN predictions as regards the end and reversal of the 
population explosion. Here as in so many other domains, a precautionary 
approach is desirable - if we are to save our tropical forests, that is, and 
what they mean to the world in terms of biodiversity, water regulation, water 
supply, and climate. 


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Subject: Re: Climate change rubbish in Spring Watch!
From: "Norman Deans van Swelm" <norman.vanswelm AT wxs.nl>
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:52:55 +0200
Too many scientists go where the money is, be it poultry flu or climate change. 
Of course the climate changes or rather fluctuates and nature responds to the 
changes but not all changes in nature are the result of climate change! It is 
unwise to ignore the changes of the climate but it is equally unwise to blame 
all changes in nature to changes in the climate. Surely the huge drainages in 
Europe for the benefit of agriculture must have had climatic consequences as it 
had for the natural world? When E.M. Nicholson was around the populations of 
various migrating songbirds must have been much larger than they are at present 
and vast areas of suitable habitat available were available in his days which 
are gone now. No sane soul in those days would have proposed the destruction of 
hundreds of thousands kilometres of hedges paid for by the taxpayer! Nor would 
anyone ruler in the former colonies have proposed to destroy half the world's 
rainforests I am sure! As for over-fishing, our politicians eager to get the 
fisherman's vote, each year dance around the remaining fish stocks and ignore 
warnings from biologist's in order to get the largest piece of an increasingly 
smaller cake for their dwindling stocks of voters from the fishing communities! 
Most of the changes we see in nature are not the result of the changing climate 
perse but rather of our own irresponsible behaviour that changes the climate! 

Nice weather here too and dry as well with easterlies bringing easterly 
niceties such Sykes'and Black-headed Wagtails, raptors, stilts and a very 
hungry and not so healthy looking Ross'Gull more or less in a similar state as 
the first for Holland in May 1958, the remains of which are in the national 
collection in Leiden! Hope it survives. 

Cheers, Norman 

  Paul Tout wrote: >Puffins - fishmeal industry = YES
 Spoonbills - foxes = possibly. I presume the Dutch colonies are suffering 
predation of chicks and incubating females. That said, the populations of lots 
of Ciconiformes are at a record high in Europe (so the forming of new colonies 
is to be expected). 


 As regards 'climate change', in UK a range of birds, flowers and insects are 
breeding / migrating / opening / emerging c. 14 days earlier on average than in 
the 1920s (thanks to the detailed diaries of E.M. Nicholson and data from tne 
BTO Nest Record Scheme, Monks Wood BRC et al.). Quite what is causing these 
changes is unclear (for example any gardner will tell you that soil 
eutrophication will 'bring on' plants and presumably the insects that feed on 
them) as is the role played by humans in these processes. I think it is also 
unclear just how 'damaging' these processes are to humans and biodiversity. 
I've heard that 'every single įC rise in global temps = - 10% rainfall. To be 
honest I don't think so, higher temps = more evaporation = more rainfall. That 
said,around here this spring is panning out very much like that we 'enjoyed' in 
2003.... almost no rainfall since mid-March at what should be the wettest time 
of the year and a solid blocking anticyclone over C. Europe that has lasted 
weeks. Very odd. 


  Paul

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  To: norman.vanswelm AT wxs.nl; ukbirdnet AT dcs.bbk.ac.uk
  From: evans.derick AT btinternet.com
  Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 06:31:12 +0100
  Subject: Re: [UKbirdnet] Climate change rubbish in Spring Watch!

 Agree with you for a change Norman but don't quite understand your Fox 
comment. 


  Best wishes.
  Del.

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  From: "Norman Deans van Swelm" 
  Date: Mon, Apr 25, 2011 11:25 pm
  Subject: [UKbirdnet] Climate change rubbish in Spring Watch!
  To: "UKBN" 


 Spoonbills colonizing Britain as a result of climate change? Balls! A few 
weeks ago the first chicks were born in the colony near my home, same time as 
50 years ago, same time as 100 years ago and so on and so on! It may be hard to 
credit the worst predator of all time but Britain owes the Red Fox Vulples 
vulpes for it's Spoonbills! 

 Credit for the most appalling misleading information in Spring Watch is to 
blame climate change for the poor state the Puffin is in instead of the true 
culprit over-fishing for the bloody Danish fishmeal industry! But then climate 
change cannot bite back isn't it! 

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Subject: Re: Climate change rubbish in Spring Watch!
From: "Norman Deans van Swelm" <norman.vanswelm AT wxs.nl>
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 11:45:44 +0200
Ah OK the Fox story! Spoonbills are notoriously conservative, once settled they 
won't move a centimeter! Over the whole of the last century Dutch 
ornithologist's pointed at certain very suitable marshes they expected 
Spoonbills would sooner or later settle. It never happened and apart from that 
the population went downwards dramatically due to pollution with DDT and the 
likes. During the late eighties when the population began to recover bit by bit 
the Fox raided several colonies. From that moment on spoonbills settled all 
over the country in both large and small colonies in the most unlikely places 
and increased dramatically in numbers. Soon after they began breeding in 
England, Germany, Danmark and even Scotland! Praised be the damned Fox! 

You tell the country alliance that!
Cheers, Norman 
 Del Evans wrote: >Agree with you for a change Norman but don't quite 
understand your Fox comment. 



  From: "Norman Deans van Swelm" 
  Date: Mon, Apr 25, 2011 11:25 pm
  Subject: [UKbirdnet] Climate change rubbish in Spring Watch!
  To: "UKBN" 


 Spoonbills colonizing Britain as a result of climate change? Balls! A few 
weeks ago the first chicks were born in the colony near my home, same time as 
50 years ago, same time as 100 years ago and so on and so on! It may be hard to 
credit the worst predator of all time but Britain owes the Red Fox Vulples 
vulpes for it's Spoonbills! 

 Credit for the most appalling misleading information in Spring Watch is to 
blame climate change for the poor state the Puffin is in instead of the true 
culprit over-fishing for the bloody Danish fishmeal industry! But then climate 
change cannot bite back isn't it! 

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Subject: Re: Climate change rubbish in Spring Watch!
From: Paul Tout <tout AT xnet.it>
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 08:38:00 +0200
Puffins - fishmeal industry = YES
Spoonbills - foxes = possibly. I presume the Dutch colonies are suffering 
predation of chicks and incubating females. That said, the populations of lots 
of Ciconiformes are at a record high in Europe (so the forming of new colonies 
is to be expected). 


As regards 'climate change', in UK a range of birds, flowers and insects are 
breeding / migrating / opening / emerging c. 14 days earlier on average than in 
the 1920s (thanks to the detailed diaries of E.M. Nicholson and data from tne 
BTO Nest Record Scheme, Monks Wood BRC et al.). Quite what is causing these 
changes is unclear (for example any gardner will tell you that soil 
eutrophication will 'bring on' plants and presumably the insects that feed on 
them) as is the role played by humans in these processes. I think it is also 
unclear just how 'damaging' these processes are to humans and biodiversity. 
I've heard that 'every single įC rise in global temps = - 10% rainfall. To be 
honest I don't think so, higher temps = more evaporation = more rainfall. That 
said,around here this spring is panning out very much like that we 'enjoyed' in 
2003.... almost no rainfall since mid-March at what should be the wettest time 
of the year and a solid blocking anticyclone over C. Europe that has lasted 
weeks. Very odd. 


Paul
To: norman.vanswelm AT wxs.nl; ukbirdnet AT dcs.bbk.ac.uk
From: evans.derick AT btinternet.com
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 06:31:12 +0100
Subject: Re: [UKbirdnet] Climate change rubbish in Spring Watch!



Agree with you for a change Norman but don't quite understand your Fox comment.

Best wishes.
Del.

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From: "Norman Deans van Swelm" 
Date: Mon, Apr 25, 2011 11:25 pm
Subject: [UKbirdnet] Climate change rubbish in Spring Watch!
To: "UKBN" 


Spoonbills colonizing Britain as a result of climate change? Balls! A few 
weeks ago the first chicks were born in the colony near my home, same time as 
50 

years ago, same time as 100 years ago and so on and so on! It may be hard to 
credit the worst predator of all time but Britain owes the Red Fox Vulples 
vulpes for it's Spoonbills!
Credit for the most appalling misleading information in Spring Watch is to 
blame climate change for the poor state the Puffin is in instead of the true 
culprit over-fishing for the bloody Danish fishmeal industry! But then climate 
change cannot bite back isn't it!
Cheers, Norman


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Subject: Re: Climate change rubbish in Spring Watch!
From: "Michael Watkins" <michaelwatkins936 AT btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 07:23:55 +0100
Too right! But you must remember that the BBC embraced climate change and has 
chuntered on about it at every opportunity for years and cannot bear the 
thought that they may be wrong and so are in denial. 


Mike Watkins
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  From: Norman Deans van Swelm 
  To: UKBN 
  Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 11:25 PM
  Subject: [UKbirdnet] Climate change rubbish in Spring Watch!


 Spoonbills colonizing Britain as a result of climate change? Balls! A few 
weeks ago the first chicks were born in the colony near my home, same time as 
50 years ago, same time as 100 years ago and so on and so on! It may be hard to 
credit the worst predator of all time but Britain owes the Red Fox Vulples 
vulpes for it's Spoonbills! 

 Credit for the most appalling misleading information in Spring Watch is to 
blame climate change for the poor state the Puffin is in instead of the true 
culprit over-fishing for the bloody Danish fishmeal industry! But then climate 
change cannot bite back isn't it! 

  Cheers, Norman


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Subject: Re: Climate change rubbish in Spring Watch!
From: "evans.derick AT btinternet.com" <evans.derick@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 06:31:12 +0100
Agree with you for a change Norman but don't quite understand your Fox comment.

Best wishes.
Del.

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Date: Mon, Apr 25, 2011 11:25 pm
Subject: [UKbirdnet] Climate change rubbish in Spring Watch!
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Subject: Climate change rubbish in Spring Watch!
From: "Norman Deans van Swelm" <norman.vanswelm AT wxs.nl>
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 00:25:09 +0200
Spoonbills colonizing Britain as a result of climate change? Balls! A few weeks 
ago the first chicks were born in the colony near my home, same time as 50 
years ago, same time as 100 years ago and so on and so on! It may be hard to 
credit the worst predator of all time but Britain owes the Red Fox Vulples 
vulpes for it's Spoonbills! 

Credit for the most appalling misleading information in Spring Watch is to 
blame climate change for the poor state the Puffin is in instead of the true 
culprit over-fishing for the bloody Danish fishmeal industry! But then climate 
change cannot bite back isn't it! 

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Subject: Re: Hybrid YLGU michahelis subsp. x LBBG fuscus subsp.???
From: "Stephen Welch" <lothianrecorder AT the-soc.org.uk>
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 17:51:02 +0100
> Has hybrid YLGU x LBBG ever been reported?  

Yes, try these pages for starters:

http://www.surfbirds.com/ID%20Articles/adriaensgulls21203.html 

Stephen

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> [mailto:ukbirdnet-bounces AT dcs.bbk.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jim Barton
> Sent: 23 April 2011 17:33
> To: Birdwg01; Ukbirdnet
> Subject: [UKbirdnet] Hybrid YLGU michahelis subsp. x LBBG 
> fuscus subsp.???
> 
>     Hello.  Has hybrid YLGU x LBBG ever been reported?  
> Photographed?  If so, can someone refer me to the details?  
> Presumably, such a bird would have yellow legs, since both 
> parents have yellow legs.  Hence,  yellow legs on a 
> problematic YLGU subsp. could not used to argue for a full, 
> single species.
> 
>     Do all hybrid LBBG  subsp. x  HEGU argentatus 
> subsp./smithsonianus present pink legs?
> 
>     Yours,
> 
>     Jim Barton
>     Cambridge, MA 
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Subject: CABS Cyprus spring bird protection camp
From: Proact Campaigns <proact-campaigns AT online.de>
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 13:37:46 +0200
The daily diary is here:


http://www.komitee.de/en/actions-and-projects/cyprus/2010-spring-bpc/cyprus-blog-spring-2011 


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Subject: Update Tristan da Cunha
From: "Norman Deans van Swelm" <norman.vanswelm AT wxs.nl>
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 11:14:51 +0200
One wonders what the hell the bean boat was doing in the vicinity of Tristan 
da Cunha anyway:


Reinforcements at last for Tristan da Cunha's oiled penguins

Cape Town, 15 April 2011. The Russian research vessel Ivan Papanin
arrived at the remote Tristan da Cunha Island group on Monday. On
board were valuable supplies to assist in cleaning up oil from a
grounded cargo ship that has oiled many thousands of endangered
Northern Rockhopper Penguins.

The MS Oliva was on a voyage from Brazil to China, carrying a cargo of
soya beans. It ran aground on Nightingale Island on 16 March and broke
apart two days later, spilling its bunker oil and cargo into the sea.
The Ivan Papanin is the fourth vessel chartered by the owners of the
MS Oliva and their insurers since the incident. The settlement on
Tristan da Cunha is the most isolated in the world, six days sailing
from Cape Town. This has made the mobilisation of equipment and
supplies very challenging.

There has been outspoken criticism of what some describe as 'huge
delays' in getting resources and personnel to the islands. Dr Ross
Wanless, BirdLife South Africa's Seabird Division Manager, said "It is
unknown how many penguins have died from the oiling. What is clear is
that waiting more than three weeks for appropriate gear and people
meant that thousands of penguins could not be captured, and many of
those that were couldn't be treated in time. The tightly controlled
communications have made an honest assessment of the scale of this
disaster impossible. Who is calling the shots, and why are we getting
a trickle of positive-only stories from what is clearly a
catastrophe?"

The same day the ship ran aground, two vessels were chartered by the
owner's appointed salvors. A third vessel left two weeks later with
five penguin rehabilitation experts and some supplies for penguin
rehabilitation.  It took a further 10 days to get the fourth vessel
underway. Dr Wanless added "The negligence in allowing the vessel to
run aground in the first instance cannot go unpunished. The
consequences have now been compounded by the low priority given by the
ship owner and insurer to rescuing the penguins."

Mark Anderson, BirdLife South Africa's Chief Executive Officer stated
that ".punitive measures should be taken against those responsible for
the avoidable death of thousands of endangered penguins."

Currently there is a 28-person team of international experts on the
island, including SANCCOB (Southern African Foundation for the
Conservation of Coastal Birds) veterinarians and oil pollution and
salvage experts from the ITOPF (International Tanker Owners Pollution
Federation). The Tristan islanders have responded admirably to the
disaster and nearly one third of the island population is working with
the international teams.

Approximately 60% of the global population of the endangered Northern
Rockhopper Penguins breed on the islands of the Tristan da Cunha
group. The total population is estimated to be around 200,000 breeding
pairs. Fortunately at the time the ship ran aground, many penguins had
finished their moulting period and most had left the rookeries and
gone to sea to feed. They will not be back at Tristan until August,
when they begin to breed. On 22 March there were an estimated 20,000
penguins affected by the oil spill, but some areas were never
surveyed. The lack of suitable vessels and rough seas typical of the
area prevented more thorough efforts. There are 3718 oiled penguins in
the rehabilitation centre on the main island of Tristan and the last
56 penguins arrived from Nightingale Island, the site of the
grounding, on Sunday last week. To date at least 1577 oiled penguins
have died at the centre. No more oiled penguins remain on any of the
outer islands.

The immediate reaction from island residents was to set up a
rehabilitation centre for the oiled penguins. However, the rehab team
could only begin washing the penguins once the first SANCCOB team
arrived on 5 April, bringing with them specialised washing equipment
and heaters to prevent the penguins getting cold. The rehab team hope
to wash 100 penguins per day.

The onset of the southern winter brought a mixed blessing to the
cleanup operation. While the gale force winds and heavy seas have
hampered the clean-up response, they have also broken up most of the
released oil.

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Subject: Windfarm company gets the wrong river, Galloway News, 14 Apr 11
From: sylvia wallace <sylvia.wallace AT gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 09:37:04 +0100
In the rush to develop wild places that harm our wild so called "EU
protected" birds just look at the quality of this ........

What a farce.

Sylvia.

Apolgies re some symbols in text - the article arrived that way - something
to do with Mac application when converted into "Window" text!



Windfarm company gets the wrong river

by Stuart Gillespie

The Stewartry has been moved to the north of England, according to a
windfarm developer.

And Community Windpower Ltd also claim that the region’s River Dee rises
in the Cairngorms.

The statements are made in their planning application for a seven turbine
windfarm at Mayfield, near Rhonehouse.

They recently applied to the council for planning permission for the £24
million development and have previously claimed that their plans to give
£50,000 a year for the life of the windfarm would help communities such as
Tongland and Kelton.

But in their non-technical summary, they say the proposal “would be
a significant
boost to the local area and the Lancaster district‚Ä .

Galloway Fisheries Trust, one of the consultees for the application, has
also raised serious doubts about the accuracy of the documentation.

Fisheries biologist Jackie Graham says in her report that in the environmental
summary ‚Äúseveral statements are factually incorrect ‚Ä" ridiculously so‚Ä
.

One example is Community Windpower’s comments about the River Dee.

The environmental statement says: “The River Dee is one of the four
principal rivers in Scotland, rising in the Cairngorm Mountains and
continues to follow a fairly narrow, meandering path in a southerly
direction towards the Solway.‚Ä

The biologist says in her submission she is “very surprised†to see a
particular website about he River Dee used as reference for the fisheries
topic.

She adds: “This may go some way to explain the major flaws in the
fisheries part of the chapter as this website covers the Aberdeenshire Dee
exclusively!

“I also note that GFT are also listed here as a source of information
although we have had very little contact from the developer at all.‚Ä

She feels fish and their habitats have not been “adequately or accurately
covered‚Ä and believes permission should not be granted unless the firm can
prove they are taking the issue seriously.

Galloway Fisheries Trust is not the only body to have concerns with the
application.

A response from Historic Scotland reveals they feel they have “inadequate
information‚Ä to form an opinion on the proposals.

And the National Trust for Scotland, who own Threave Estate feel the
development would be inappropriate and say there has been “no
consultation‚Ä on whether a road needed to access the development would need
widened.

The News contacted Community Windpower about the errors but they were
unavailable for comment.

 .

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Subject: Fwd: Protected species
From: sylvia wallace <sylvia.wallace AT gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 09:18:35 +0100
I will also forward a newspaper article showing that a wind developer had a
Scottish border town in England !!! in what appears to be a sloppy
application which really shows just how much attention to detail is put into
some of these applications throwing into doubt the accuracy of the
information in which people are expected to make decisions.  .  In the
meantime.....concealing deaths of our so called "protected" species.
Sylvia

Date: 15 April 2011 12:52
Subject: Protected species


 Wind farms accused of concealing deaths of protected species

   - April 10th, 2011 5:10 pm ET
 
http://www.examiner.com/wildlife-conservation-in-national/wind-farms-accused-of-concealing-deaths-of-protected-species?fb_comment_id=fbc_10150155705222274_16344058_10150159535667274 



Cathy 
Taibbi 


   - Wildlife Conservation Examiner

  *As the wind industry loses favor around the globe, watchdog groups are
demanding accountability from the huge corporate interests that run them.
According to reports, bird toll census numbers are being rigged by burying
or otherwise concealing mutilated bird carcasses rather than reporting them.
*
  *Not only is wind power proven to be ineffective in terms of both cost and
energy production, but its devastating effects on soaring birds, bats, the
environment and communities is increasingly being condemned.*
The letter below, from noted wildlife biologist and wind energy expert Jim
Wiegand and sent in response to a report in the The
Journal,
is
being shared to highlight some of the reasons for demanding full disclosure
from, and stricter regulation of wind farms. In addition, it's important
that any investigation into the industry should include testimony from
leading engineers and wind turbine developers not involved with the
antiquated and lethal propeller-style turbine. In this way it will be
evident what a dead-end road this industry, in its current incarnation, has
lead us down.

  Editor, I would like to comment and further enlighten you readers on the
recent story  "Bird Deaths Prompt Wind Rules - USFWS and Voluntary
Guidelines". The USFWS Voluntary Guidelines need to be examined closely for
what they are. As it is there are clear Federal and State laws on the books
that protect rare and endangered species. But for the wind industry these
laws are just voluntary. Your state has speed limits. Are they voluntary?
 Murder, rape, assault and so on, are the laws of any of these crimes
voluntary for any special group? The point is that the USFWS is not
protecting the nation's rare and endangered species nor is it upholding the
laws that were written to protect them.  The reality is that the voluntary
guidelines along with the incidental take permit, were created for this
industry in Washington to bypass environmental law.

It is well known that wind turbines cause bird and bat mortality however the
total magnitude of this impact cannot ever be fully understood until there
is complete transparency. Thanks to the USFWS , there is no transparency.
 This information is made even more difficult to obtain when the access the
wind properties is conveniently limited by the industry itself. Keep in
mind, wind farms have been known to conceal blade strike victims as in Spain
where the bodies of 19 unreported griffon vultures were found buried on wind
farm property. I have been told that wind industry contracts and leases also
have gag clauses written into them so this information can be limited. I
believe the concealment of blade strike mortality is it is a routine
practice for the industry.

To insure transparency all wind farms should be required to operate with
specific conditions. Every wind farm should be subject to inspection at any
time by non-industry biologists and college enrolled wildlife biology
students that would be more than willing to survey properties.  Also the
unreported disposal or hiding of bodies of any protected species should be
treated as a felony with corresponding large fines against the wind farm.
The use of 24 hour video camera/web cams with feeds to an accessible
internet site should be required of any and all turbines in high priority
habitats. Each wind farm should also be set up with mandatory mortality
thresholds and shut down if these thresholds are met.


If the public truly wants transparency they will demand guidelines to keep
the public informed of the true impact of wind farms to protected bird
species in their regions. For obvious reasons, NO wind farm should ever be
able to police their own facilities. In California, Condors have disappeared
without a trace and in the Texas 2009,  23 Whooping Cranes disappeared
without a trace. These are huge birds not even a feather was found. Wind
farms sit in both of their habitats.

Electrical power lines and lead poisoning are commonly given as the probable
reasons. If one were to think about all this logically the truth becomes
obvious. If you were a California Condor, a Golden Eagle or a Whooping Crane
would you rather glide into a stationary and even flexible power line or be
smashed with a several ton wind turbine blade moving at 220 mph?
Transmission lines are not killing off the Red kite population in Europe.
The propeller style wind turbine is. Power lines also haven't killed the
2000-2500 Golden Eagles that have perished at Altamont Pass.

As it now stands, no state can now depend on the worthless USFWS voluntary
guidelines to protect their protected bird species from
this industry. If one were to interview USFWS employees in the field, they
would find that most are not in agreement with the disconnected USFWS brass
sitting in Washington.

There is a glimmer of hope in all this because taxpayers are finally
starting to understand how their money is being manipulated and funneled off
into the bank accounts of greedy corporations. The wind industry is one of
these industries. The nation desperately needs a televised Senate or
Congressional committee investigation into this industry.  If this were to
happen, this wind industry would be exposed for their use of corrupt
biologists, bogus studies and to their influence on Washington.
Jim Wiegand.




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Subject: Rabbitt-hopping to get the Royal Vole
From: "Norman Deans van Swelm" <norman.vanswelm AT wxs.nl>
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 02:09:51 +0200
The BBC has lauched a new series on the natural world :

          Animal's Guide to Britain, 

it is presented by Chris Packham

the first part dealt with

Freshwater Animals


             .http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b010fqdy 



It promises to be a great but sometimes somewhat confusing show f.i. Packham 
cheers at seeing the greatest flock of Ospreys he has ever seen while I saw at 
most two birds. Perhaps the bellaclava he was ordered to put on by the warden 
of the reserve had a multiplying effect. I don't know I never watch Ospreys 
through a bellaclava. 

Packham's jumping session on sphagnum raised the question how he knew the lake 
underneath it was 16 metres deep! 

Anyway the programm promises to be a hit. 

So many interesting facts were revealed, we all know that Britain is a haven 
for invasive exotic species and that colour plays an important role but did you 
know there are two Ratti's, a brown and a black one? When Britain was still 
part of the Continent it was invaded by the Black Ratti. Some ice-ages later 
another invasive exotic species invaded Continental Britain the Brown Ratti! As 
we know now the Brown Ratti pushed Black Ratti in no time as far as north as 
Balmoral where it still lives, be it higher up in the hills perhaps due to the 
activities of another exotic invader the Royal Mink killer, a species of 
Belgian origin! 

Packham also described how the invasion of the monster of all monsters the Mink 
invaded Britain: they were imported under cover of production of so-called 
'Mink coats' which were never produced. Instead the terrible Mink kept their 
coats and went on the rampage, eating millions of Brown Ratti's and believe it 
or not they are now after the Royal Black's as they literally ate themselves 
through 'Hadrian Walls' of another exotic invader: the Rabbit! 

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Subject: Re: [RaptorBiology] Fwd: Rare Birds Killed
From: Malcolm Ogilvie <Malcolm AT ogilvie.org>
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 08:05:47 +0100
Please differ all you like, but I have not tried to silence you and also 
have no recollection of your "well known ornithologist" contacting me.

My stance on windfarms is as it has always been. They need to be 
correctly sited. I have opposed those that aren't, including at public 
enquiries and in helping others prepare cases against them. I have also 
brought science to these actions rather than emotion and spurious 
claims.

And it wasn't your writing skills that I was criticising but those of 
the writer of the message that you forwarded. If you're so good 
yourself, you should surely have realised what a complete muddle the 
message presented.

Malcolm



In message , sylvia 
wallace  writes
>I beg to differ.  You have tried to silence me in the past.  I know that
>to be the case and so do you because you were sent an email some
>time ago by a well known ornithologist who politely put you in
>your place.  That person also confirmed my information was well
>researched.   I was copied in on that email too.  Remember?
> 
>Science should always be about facts, not advocacy for wind
>power.   What side are you on Malcolm?   Facts, or advocacy?   
> 
>Sylvia
>PS.   Two QCs wrote to me to say I write clearly and concisely.  I
>have those emails too!  
> 
>On 6 April 2011 15:35, Malcolm Ogilvie 
>wrote:
>
>  Thanks for the clarification, though there's even more muddle
>  and lack of clarity on the website of the person who forwarded
>  the message so perhaps it wasn't surprising that what you
>  posted wasn't very clear, either.
>
>  I have never complained about you to any moderator on any
>  mailing list. If you think your posts are being moderated then it
>  must be because of their content.
>
>  Malcolm
>
>
>  In message <
>  BANLkTims9NTZb62yo_6s+rtNmQBxvfwftg AT mail.gmail.com>,
>  sylvia wallace  writes
>
>
>>    I understood its content.  No confusion here.  I'll be explicit.
>>     
>>    The writer of the original forwarded email was making
>>    reference that
>>     a protected bird, the Hen Harrier, was mentioned by the RSPB
>>     in
>>    the Irish article as an important species, yet the writer's 
>>    experience
>>    appeared to be something quite different when there was
>>    apparently NO OBJECTION made by the RSPB at a windfarm
>>    site
>>    where Hen Harriers frequent and roost in Northern England.  
>>    See
>>    below. (red text) Apologies to others for having to re-post the
>>    text.
>>     
>>    It may help you understand the context of the email if I said
>>    the
>>    original email came from a forum where people are sharing
>>    their
>>    experiences with others when faced with fighting a wind farm
>>    in
>>    their area.   The person lives in an area where there are Hen
>>    Harriers
>>    and shared jis/her experience with others and referenced what
>>    seemed like double standards.  I forwarded it onto raptor
>>    forums
>>    because it is important to share this information of others
>>    experiences.  This is no different to my forwarded post
>>    elsewhere
>>    about swans killed by wind turbines.   
>>     
>>    I can't make this any simplier for you.  Please don't be
>>    offended but,
>>     I don't have any more time to explain this further.  
>>     
>>    My posts are now all of a sudden moderated on UK Birdnet. 
>>    Did
>>    you complain?  I know you have tried to silence me before.
>>     
>>    Sylvia.
>>     
>>    "Dear Sylvia,
>>    The Wind farm site is Broughton Lodge, West Cumbria. The
>>    Site is
>>    locally known as Soddy Gap, the plans for three 125m
>>    turbines have
>>    been rejected, not on bird or bat grounds though. (The geese
>>    from
>>    the Solway would be nicely carved up if an appeal goes
>>    ahead).
>>    I wrote to everyone that I could think of at the RSPB, but no
>>    objection!
>>    The local Birder is Craig Shaw his photos of the Hen Harrier
>>    are on
>>    the link.
>>    http://www.freewebs.com/blackbird33/soddygapsiteguide.htm
>>     
>>    I have photographed the Barn owl, and there are various
>>    other
>>    Owls etc etc. It is a great place for birds.
>>    The Planning Link is here   
>> 
http://planning.allerdale.gov.uk/portal/servlets/ApplicationSearchServlet?PKID=74034 

>>     
>>    (there may be a developer building on the site in the future
>>    too)
>>    I hope that I have not confused you.
>>    Nicky"
>>    Soddy.co.uk
>>     
>>     Malcolm Ogilvie  wrote:
>
>>     No, I mean muddled in the sense that your forwarded
>>    message
>>     made no sense, and nor does your follow-up because Britain
>>    has
>>     no legislation that affects either birds or windfarms in Ireland.
>>     So, what was the connection between the death of the WTE
>>    in
>>     Ireland and the references to RSPB and an Appeal. Or have
>>    you
>>     just forwarded a message without understanding its content?
>
>>     Malcolm
>
>
>
>>     In message >     gY-VOC5aT5J0fo0fbkeSSjZ9W3A AT mail.gmail.com>, sylvia
>>     wallace  writes
>
>
>
>>>        Do you mean muddled like all that legislation meant to
>>>      protect
>>>        our
>>>        so called "protected" birds but failing miserably when it
>>>        comes to
>>>        wind farms? 
>>>         
>>>        Too much Bunnahabhain?
>>>         
>>>        Sylvia 
>>>         
>>>        On 5 April 2011 20:05, Malcolm Ogilvie <
>>>      Malcolm AT ogilvie.org
>>>        >
>>>        wrote:
>
>>>         What a muddled message.
>
>>>         The URL refers to a bird (not birds, plural) killed by a wind
>>>         turbine in the Irish Republic.
>
>>>         The next sentence also refers to Ireland - actually to
>>>      poisons
>>>        not
>>>         to wind turbines, but what on earth is the rest of the
>>>      message
>>>         about? The W&C Act is British not Irish, and what
>>>      "Appeal"
>>>        is
>>>         being referred to? It seems strange and gratuitously
>>>        anti-RSPB
>>>         to criticise them in a piece about the death of an eagle in
>>>        Ireland.
>
>>>         Malcolm
>
>
>
>>>         In message <
>>>         
>>>       
>>>      BANLkTin-JMTfoPmtXzU-nqsQmGFUT4eeCQ AT mail.gmail.com
>>>         >, sylvia wallace  writes
>
>
>
>>>>              This email below came from a group with hen harriers
>>>>        and
>>>>              owls.......
>>>>              Forwarded message ----------
>
>>>>              Date: 4 April 2011 20:09
>>>>              Subject: Rare Birds Killed
>>>>             
>>>>           
>>>> http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0404/1224293734180.html 

>
>>>>              The phrase “But it’s one thing to have stringent laws,
>>>>        it’s
>>>>              another to
>>>>        ¬† ¬† ¬† enforce them,‚ÄĚ he said.
>
>>>>              We Have Hen Harriers and Owls, the RSPB said:
>>>>              *Hen harrier are a species protected under Schedule 1
>>>>        of
>>>>            the
>>>>              Wildlife and
>>>>              Countryside Act 1981
>>>>              and Annex I of the EU Birds Directive.
>>>>              The network of roosting sites in this area forms one of
>>>>        the
>>>>              most important
>>>>              winter hen harrier
>>>>              roosts in northern England (Richard Saunders,
>>>>        Natural
>>>>              England, pers.
>>>>              comm.)........etc
>
>>>>              *However despite this the RSPB did not  object and
>>>>            should
>>>>              there be an
>>>>              Appeal, from what I have seen,  Appeals Inspectors
>>>>        do
>>>>            not
>>>>              take notice of
>>>>              these directives*.
>>>>              *Nothing can help these birds.*
>
>>>>              N C
>>>>              *
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>>         --
>>>         Malcolm Ogilvie, Isle of Islay
>
>>>         
>>>       
>>>      _______________________________________________
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>>>         http://rhea.dcs.bbk.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/ukbirdnet
>
>
>
>>     --
>>     Malcolm Ogilvie, Isle of Islay
>
>>     
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>
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>
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Subject: Re: [RaptorBiology] Fwd: Rare Birds Killed
From: sylvia wallace <sylvia.wallace AT gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 06:50:20 +0100
I beg to differ.  You have tried to silence me in the past.  I know that to
be the case and so do you because you were sent an email some time ago by a
well known ornithologist who politely put you in your place.  That
person also confirmed my information was well researched.   I was copied in
on that email too.  Remember?

Science should always be about facts, not advocacy for wind power.   What
side are you on Malcolm?   Facts, or advocacy?

Sylvia
PS.   Two QCs wrote to me to say I write clearly and concisely.  I have
those emails too!

On 6 April 2011 15:35, Malcolm Ogilvie  wrote:

>
> Thanks for the clarification, though there's even more muddle and lack of
> clarity on the website of the person who forwarded the message so perhaps it
> wasn't surprising that what you posted wasn't very clear, either.
>
> I have never complained about you to any moderator on any mailing list. If
> you think your posts are being moderated then it must be because of their
> content.
>
> Malcolm
>
>
> In message , sylvia
> wallace  writes
>
> I understood its content.  No confusion here.  I'll be explicit.
>>
>> The writer of the original forwarded email was making reference that
>>  a protected bird, the Hen Harrier, was mentioned by the RSPB in
>> the Irish article as an important species, yet the writer's experience
>> appeared to be something quite different when there was
>> apparently NO OBJECTION made by the RSPB at a windfarm site
>> where Hen Harriers frequent and roost in Northern England.   See
>> below. (red text) Apologies to others for having to re-post the text.
>>
>> It may help you understand the context of the email if I said the
>> original email came from a forum where people are sharing their
>> experiences with others when faced with fighting a wind farm in
>> their area.   The person lives in an area where there are Hen Harriers
>> and shared jis/her experience with others and referenced what
>> seemed like double standards.  I forwarded it onto raptor forums
>> because it is important to share this information of others
>> experiences.  This is no different to my forwarded post elsewhere
>> about swans killed by wind turbines.
>>
>> I can't make this any simplier for you.  Please don't be offended but,
>>  I don't have any more time to explain this further.
>>
>> My posts are now all of a sudden moderated on UK Birdnet.  Did
>> you complain?  I know you have tried to silence me before.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>>
>> "Dear Sylvia,
>> The Wind farm site is Broughton Lodge, West Cumbria. The Site is
>> locally known as Soddy Gap, the plans for three 125m turbines have
>> been rejected, not on bird or bat grounds though. (The geese from
>> the Solway would be nicely carved up if an appeal goes ahead).
>> I wrote to everyone that I could think of at the RSPB, but no
>> objection!
>> The local Birder is Craig Shaw his photos of the Hen Harrier are on
>> the link.
>> http://www.freewebs.com/blackbird33/soddygapsiteguide.htm
>>
>> I have photographed the Barn owl, and there are various other
>> Owls etc etc. It is a great place for birds.
>> The Planning Link is here
>>
>> 
http://planning.allerdale.gov.uk/portal/servlets/ApplicationSearchServlet?PKID=74034 

>>
>> (there may be a developer building on the site in the future too)
>> I hope that I have not confused you.
>> Nicky"
>> Soddy.co.uk 
>>
>>  Malcolm Ogilvie  wrote:
>>
>>  No, I mean muddled in the sense that your forwarded message
>>  made no sense, and nor does your follow-up because Britain has
>>  no legislation that affects either birds or windfarms in Ireland.
>>  So, what was the connection between the death of the WTE in
>>  Ireland and the references to RSPB and an Appeal. Or have you
>>  just forwarded a message without understanding its content?
>>
>>  Malcolm
>>
>>
>>
>>  In message >  gY-VOC5aT5J0fo0fbkeSSjZ9W3A AT mail.gmail.com>, sylvia
>>  wallace  writes
>>
>>
>>   Do you mean muddled like all that legislation meant to protect
>>>   our
>>>   so called "protected" birds but failing miserably when it
>>>   comes to
>>>   wind farms?
>>>
>>>   Too much Bunnahabhain?
>>>
>>>   Sylvia
>>>
>>>   On 5 April 2011 20:05, Malcolm Ogilvie >>   >
>>>   wrote:
>>>
>>
>>    What a muddled message.
>>>
>>
>>    The URL refers to a bird (not birds, plural) killed by a wind
>>>    turbine in the Irish Republic.
>>>
>>
>>    The next sentence also refers to Ireland - actually to poisons
>>>   not
>>>    to wind turbines, but what on earth is the rest of the message
>>>    about? The W&C Act is British not Irish, and what "Appeal"
>>>   is
>>>    being referred to? It seems strange and gratuitously
>>>   anti-RSPB
>>>    to criticise them in a piece about the death of an eagle in
>>>   Ireland.
>>>
>>
>>    Malcolm
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    In message <
>>>
>>>   BANLkTin-JMTfoPmtXzU-nqsQmGFUT4eeCQ AT mail.gmail.com
>>>    >, sylvia wallace  writes
>>>
>>
>>
>>        This email below came from a group with hen harriers and
>>>>       owls.......
>>>>       Forwarded message ----------
>>>>
>>>
>>        Date: 4 April 2011 20:09
>>>>       Subject: Rare Birds Killed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0404/1224293734180.html
>>>>
>>>
>>        The phrase ďBut itís one thing to have stringent laws, itís
>>>>       another to
>>>>       enforce them,Ē he said.
>>>>
>>>
>>        We Have Hen Harriers and Owls, the RSPB said:
>>>>       *Hen harrier are a species protected under Schedule 1 of
>>>>     the
>>>>       Wildlife and
>>>>       Countryside Act 1981
>>>>       and Annex I of the EU Birds Directive.
>>>>       The network of roosting sites in this area forms one of the
>>>>       most important
>>>>       winter hen harrier
>>>>       roosts in northern England (Richard Saunders, Natural
>>>>       England, pers.
>>>>       comm.)........etc
>>>>
>>>
>>        *However despite this the RSPB did not  object and
>>>>     should
>>>>       there be an
>>>>       Appeal, from what I have seen,  Appeals Inspectors do
>>>>     not
>>>>       take notice of
>>>>       these directives*.
>>>>       *Nothing can help these birds.*
>>>>
>>>
>>        N C
>>>>       *
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    --
>>>    Malcolm Ogilvie, Isle of Islay
>>>
>>
>>
>>>   _______________________________________________
>>>    UKbirdnet mailing list
>>>    ukbirdnet AT dcs.bbk.ac.uk
>>>    http://rhea.dcs.bbk.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/ukbirdnet
>>>
>>
>>
>>  --
>>  Malcolm Ogilvie, Isle of Islay
>>
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>>  ukbirdnet AT dcs.bbk.ac.uk
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>
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Subject: Re: [RaptorBiology] Fwd: Rare Birds Killed
From: Malcolm Ogilvie <Malcolm AT ogilvie.org>
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 15:35:39 +0100
Thanks for the clarification, though there's even more muddle and lack 
of clarity on the website of the person who forwarded the message so 
perhaps it wasn't surprising that what you posted wasn't very clear, 
either.

I have never complained about you to any moderator on any mailing list. 
If you think your posts are being moderated then it must be because of 
their content.

Malcolm


In message , sylvia 
wallace  writes
>I understood its content.  No confusion here.  I'll be explicit.
> 
>The writer of the original forwarded email was making reference that
> a protected bird, the Hen Harrier, was mentioned by the RSPB in
>the Irish article as an important species, yet the writer's experience
>appeared to be something quite different when there was
>apparently NO OBJECTION made by the RSPB at a windfarm site
>where Hen Harriers frequent and roost in Northern England.   See
>below. (red text) Apologies to others for having to re-post the text.
> 
>It may help you understand the context of the email if I said the
>original email came from a forum where people are sharing their
>experiences with others when faced with fighting a wind farm in
>their area.   The person lives in an area where there are Hen Harriers
>and shared jis/her experience with others and referenced what
>seemed like double standards.  I forwarded it onto raptor forums
>because it is important to share this information of others
>experiences.  This is no different to my forwarded post elsewhere
>about swans killed by wind turbines.   
> 
>I can't make this any simplier for you.  Please don't be offended but,
> I don't have any more time to explain this further.  
> 
>My posts are now all of a sudden moderated on UK Birdnet.  Did
>you complain?  I know you have tried to silence me before.
> 
>Sylvia.
> 
>"Dear Sylvia,
>The Wind farm site is Broughton Lodge, West Cumbria. The Site is
>locally known as Soddy Gap, the plans for three 125m turbines have
>been rejected, not on bird or bat grounds though. (The geese from
>the Solway would be nicely carved up if an appeal goes ahead).
>I wrote to everyone that I could think of at the RSPB, but no
>objection!
>The local Birder is Craig Shaw his photos of the Hen Harrier are on
>the link.
>http://www.freewebs.com/blackbird33/soddygapsiteguide.htm
> 
>I have photographed the Barn owl, and there are various other
>Owls etc etc. It is a great place for birds.
>The Planning Link is here   

>http://planning.allerdale.gov.uk/portal/servlets/ApplicationSearchServlet?PKID=74034 

> 
>(there may be a developer building on the site in the future too)
>I hope that I have not confused you.
>Nicky"
>Soddy.co.uk
> 
> Malcolm Ogilvie  wrote:
>
>  No, I mean muddled in the sense that your forwarded message
>  made no sense, and nor does your follow-up because Britain has
>  no legislation that affects either birds or windfarms in Ireland.
>  So, what was the connection between the death of the WTE in
>  Ireland and the references to RSPB and an Appeal. Or have you
>  just forwarded a message without understanding its content?
>
>  Malcolm
>
>
>
>  In message   gY-VOC5aT5J0fo0fbkeSSjZ9W3A AT mail.gmail.com>, sylvia
>  wallace  writes
>
>
>>    Do you mean muddled like all that legislation meant to protect
>>    our
>>    so called "protected" birds but failing miserably when it
>>    comes to
>>    wind farms? 
>>     
>>    Too much Bunnahabhain?
>>     
>>    Sylvia 
>>     
>>    On 5 April 2011 20:05, Malcolm Ogilvie >    >
>>    wrote:
>
>>     What a muddled message.
>
>>     The URL refers to a bird (not birds, plural) killed by a wind
>>     turbine in the Irish Republic.
>
>>     The next sentence also refers to Ireland - actually to poisons
>>    not
>>     to wind turbines, but what on earth is the rest of the message
>>     about? The W&C Act is British not Irish, and what "Appeal"
>>    is
>>     being referred to? It seems strange and gratuitously
>>    anti-RSPB
>>     to criticise them in a piece about the death of an eagle in
>>    Ireland.
>
>>     Malcolm
>
>
>
>>     In message <
>>     
>>    BANLkTin-JMTfoPmtXzU-nqsQmGFUT4eeCQ AT mail.gmail.com
>>     >, sylvia wallace  writes
>
>
>>>        This email below came from a group with hen harriers and
>>>        owls.......
>>>        Forwarded message ----------
>
>>>        Date: 4 April 2011 20:09
>>>        Subject: Rare Birds Killed
>>>       
>>> http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0404/1224293734180.html 

>
>>>        The phrase “But it’s one thing to have stringent laws, it’s
>>>        another to
>>>      ¬† enforce them,‚ÄĚ he said.
>
>>>        We Have Hen Harriers and Owls, the RSPB said:
>>>        *Hen harrier are a species protected under Schedule 1 of
>>>      the
>>>        Wildlife and
>>>        Countryside Act 1981
>>>        and Annex I of the EU Birds Directive.
>>>        The network of roosting sites in this area forms one of the
>>>        most important
>>>        winter hen harrier
>>>        roosts in northern England (Richard Saunders, Natural
>>>        England, pers.
>>>        comm.)........etc
>
>>>        *However despite this the RSPB did not  object and
>>>      should
>>>        there be an
>>>        Appeal, from what I have seen,  Appeals Inspectors do
>>>      not
>>>        take notice of
>>>        these directives*.
>>>        *Nothing can help these birds.*
>
>>>        N C
>>>        *
>
>
>
>
>
>>     --
>>     Malcolm Ogilvie, Isle of Islay
>
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Subject: Re: [RaptorBiology] Fwd: Rare Birds Killed
From: sylvia wallace <sylvia.wallace AT gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 09:05:58 +0100
I understood its content.  No confusion here.  I'll be explicit.

The writer of the original forwarded email was making reference that a
protected bird, the Hen Harrier, was mentioned by the RSPB in the Irish
article as an important species, yet the writer's experience appeared to be
something quite different when there was apparently NO OBJECTION made by the
RSPB at a windfarm site where Hen Harriers frequent and roost in Northern
England.   See below. (red text) Apologies to others for having to
re-post the text.

It may help you understand the context of the email if I said the
original email came from a forum where people are sharing their
experiences with others when faced with fighting a wind farm in their
area.   The person lives in an area where there are Hen Harriers and
shared jis/her experience with others and referenced what seemed like double
standards.  I forwarded it onto raptor forums because it is important to
share this information of others experiences.  This is no different to my
forwarded post elsewhere about swans killed by wind turbines.

I can't make this any simplier for you.  Please don't be offended but, I
don't have any more time to explain this further.

My posts are now all of a sudden moderated on UK Birdnet.  Did you
complain?  I know you have tried to silence me before.

Sylvia.

"Dear Sylvia,
The Wind farm site is Broughton Lodge, West Cumbria. The Site is locally
known as Soddy Gap, the plans for three 125m turbines have been rejected,
not on bird or bat grounds though. (The geese from the Solway would be
nicely carved up if an appeal goes ahead).
I wrote to everyone that I could think of at the RSPB, but no objection!
The local Birder is Craig Shaw his photos of the Hen Harrier are on the
link.
http://www.freewebs.com/blackbird33/soddygapsiteguide.htm

I have photographed the Barn owl, and there are various other Owls etc etc.
It is a great place for birds.
The Planning Link is here

http://planning.allerdale.gov.uk/portal/servlets/ApplicationSearchServlet?PKID=74034 


(there may be a developer building on the site in the future too)
I hope that I have not confused you.
Nicky"
Soddy.co.uk

 Malcolm Ogilvie  wrote:

>
> No, I mean muddled in the sense that your forwarded message made no sense,
> and nor does your follow-up because Britain has no legislation that affects
> either birds or windfarms in Ireland. So, what was the connection between
> the death of the WTE in Ireland and the references to RSPB and an Appeal. Or
> have you just forwarded a message without understanding its content?
>
> Malcolm
>
>
>
> In message , sylvia
> wallace  writes
>
> Do you mean muddled like all that legislation meant to protect our
>> so called "protected" birds but failing miserably when it comes to
>> wind farms?
>>
>> Too much Bunnahabhain?
>>
>> Sylvia
>>
>> On 5 April 2011 20:05, Malcolm Ogilvie 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  What a muddled message.
>>
>>  The URL refers to a bird (not birds, plural) killed by a wind
>>  turbine in the Irish Republic.
>>
>>  The next sentence also refers to Ireland - actually to poisons not
>>  to wind turbines, but what on earth is the rest of the message
>>  about? The W&C Act is British not Irish, and what "Appeal" is
>>  being referred to? It seems strange and gratuitously anti-RSPB
>>  to criticise them in a piece about the death of an eagle in Ireland.
>>
>>  Malcolm
>>
>>
>>
>>  In message <
>>  BANLkTin-JMTfoPmtXzU-nqsQmGFUT4eeCQ AT mail.gmail.com
>>  >, sylvia wallace  writes
>>
>>   This email below came from a group with hen harriers and
>>>   owls.......
>>>   Forwarded message ----------
>>>
>>
>>   Date: 4 April 2011 20:09
>>>   Subject: Rare Birds Killed
>>>
>>> http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0404/1224293734180.html
>>>
>>
>>   The phrase ďBut itís one thing to have stringent laws, itís
>>>   another to
>>>   enforce them,Ē he said.
>>>
>>
>>   We Have Hen Harriers and Owls, the RSPB said:
>>>   *Hen harrier are a species protected under Schedule 1 of the
>>>   Wildlife and
>>>   Countryside Act 1981
>>>   and Annex I of the EU Birds Directive.
>>>   The network of roosting sites in this area forms one of the
>>>   most important
>>>   winter hen harrier
>>>   roosts in northern England (Richard Saunders, Natural
>>>   England, pers.
>>>   comm.)........etc
>>>
>>
>>   *However despite this the RSPB did not  object and should
>>>   there be an
>>>   Appeal, from what I have seen,  Appeals Inspectors do not
>>>   take notice of
>>>   these directives*.
>>>   *Nothing can help these birds.*
>>>
>>
>>   N C
>>>   *
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  --
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Subject: Re: [RaptorBiology] Fwd: Rare Birds Killed
From: Malcolm Ogilvie <Malcolm AT ogilvie.org>
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 07:50:37 +0100
No, I mean muddled in the sense that your forwarded message made no 
sense, and nor does your follow-up because Britain has no legislation 
that affects either birds or windfarms in Ireland. So, what was the 
connection between the death of the WTE in Ireland and the references to 
RSPB and an Appeal. Or have you just forwarded a message without 
understanding its content?

Malcolm



In message , sylvia 
wallace  writes
>Do you mean muddled like all that legislation meant to protect our
>so called "protected" birds but failing miserably when it comes to
>wind farms? 
> 
>Too much Bunnahabhain?
> 
>Sylvia 
> 
>On 5 April 2011 20:05, Malcolm Ogilvie 
>wrote:
>
>  What a muddled message.
>
>  The URL refers to a bird (not birds, plural) killed by a wind
>  turbine in the Irish Republic.
>
>  The next sentence also refers to Ireland - actually to poisons not
>  to wind turbines, but what on earth is the rest of the message
>  about? The W&C Act is British not Irish, and what "Appeal" is
>  being referred to? It seems strange and gratuitously anti-RSPB
>  to criticise them in a piece about the death of an eagle in Ireland.
>
>  Malcolm
>
>
>
>  In message <
>  BANLkTin-JMTfoPmtXzU-nqsQmGFUT4eeCQ AT mail.gmail.com
>  >, sylvia wallace  writes
>
>>    This email below came from a group with hen harriers and
>>    owls.......
>>    Forwarded message ----------
>
>>    Date: 4 April 2011 20:09
>>    Subject: Rare Birds Killed
>>    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0404/1224293734180.html
>
>>    The phrase “But it’s one thing to have stringent laws, it’s
>>    another to
>>    enforce them,‚ÄĚ he said.
>
>>    We Have Hen Harriers and Owls, the RSPB said:
>>    *Hen harrier are a species protected under Schedule 1 of the
>>    Wildlife and
>>    Countryside Act 1981
>>    and Annex I of the EU Birds Directive.
>>    The network of roosting sites in this area forms one of the
>>    most important
>>    winter hen harrier
>>    roosts in northern England (Richard Saunders, Natural
>>    England, pers.
>>    comm.)........etc
>
>>    *However despite this the RSPB did not  object and should
>>    there be an
>>    Appeal, from what I have seen,  Appeals Inspectors do not
>>    take notice of
>>    these directives*.
>>    *Nothing can help these birds.*
>
>>    N C
>>    *
>
>
>
>
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>
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Subject: Re: [RaptorBiology] Fwd: Rare Birds Killed
From: sylvia wallace <sylvia.wallace AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 22:50:22 +0100
Do you mean muddled like all that legislation meant to protect our so called
"protected" birds but failing miserably when it comes to wind farms?

Too much Bunnahabhain?

Sylvia

On 5 April 2011 20:05, Malcolm Ogilvie  wrote:

>
> What a muddled message.
>
> The URL refers to a bird (not birds, plural) killed by a wind turbine in
> the Irish Republic.
>
> The next sentence also refers to Ireland - actually to poisons not to wind
> turbines, but what on earth is the rest of the message about? The W&C Act is
> British not Irish, and what "Appeal" is being referred to? It seems strange
> and gratuitously anti-RSPB to criticise them in a piece about the death of
> an eagle in Ireland.
>
> Malcolm
>
>
>
> In message , sylvia
> wallace  writes
>
>> This email below came from a group with hen harriers and owls.......
>> Forwarded message ----------
>>
>> Date: 4 April 2011 20:09
>> Subject: Rare Birds Killed
>> http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0404/1224293734180.html
>>
>> The phrase ďBut itís one thing to have stringent laws, itís another to
>> enforce them,Ē he said.
>>
>> We Have Hen Harriers and Owls, the RSPB said:
>> *Hen harrier are a species protected under Schedule 1 of the Wildlife and
>> Countryside Act 1981
>> and Annex I of the EU Birds Directive.
>> The network of roosting sites in this area forms one of the most important
>> winter hen harrier
>> roosts in northern England (Richard Saunders, Natural England, pers.
>> comm.)........etc
>>
>> *However despite this the RSPB did not  object and should there be an
>> Appeal, from what I have seen,  Appeals Inspectors do not take notice of
>> these directives*.
>> *Nothing can help these birds.*
>>
>> N C
>> *
>>
>>
>>
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Subject: Re: [RaptorBiology] Fwd: Rare Birds Killed
From: Malcolm Ogilvie <Malcolm AT ogilvie.org>
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 20:05:51 +0100
What a muddled message.

The URL refers to a bird (not birds, plural) killed by a wind turbine in 
the Irish Republic.

The next sentence also refers to Ireland - actually to poisons not to 
wind turbines, but what on earth is the rest of the message about? The 
W&C Act is British not Irish, and what "Appeal" is being referred to? It 
seems strange and gratuitously anti-RSPB to criticise them in a piece 
about the death of an eagle in Ireland.

Malcolm



In message , sylvia 
wallace  writes
>This email below came from a group with hen harriers and owls.......
>Forwarded message ----------
>
>Date: 4 April 2011 20:09
>Subject: Rare Birds Killed
>http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0404/1224293734180.html
>
>The phrase “But it’s one thing to have stringent laws, it’s another to
>enforce them,‚ÄĚ he said.
>
>We Have Hen Harriers and Owls, the RSPB said:
>*Hen harrier are a species protected under Schedule 1 of the Wildlife and
>Countryside Act 1981
>and Annex I of the EU Birds Directive.
> The network of roosting sites in this area forms one of the most important
>winter hen harrier
>roosts in northern England (Richard Saunders, Natural England, pers.
>comm.)........etc
>
>*However despite this the RSPB did not  object and should there be an
>Appeal, from what I have seen,  Appeals Inspectors do not take notice of
>these directives*.
>*Nothing can help these birds.*
>
>N C
>*
>
>

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Subject: Fwd: Rare Birds Killed
From: sylvia wallace <sylvia.wallace AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 06:15:35 +0100
This email below came from a group with hen harriers and owls.......
Forwarded message ----------

Date: 4 April 2011 20:09
Subject: Rare Birds Killed
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0404/1224293734180.html

The phrase ďBut itís one thing to have stringent laws, itís another to
enforce them,Ē he said.

We Have Hen Harriers and Owls, the RSPB said:
*Hen harrier are a species protected under Schedule 1 of the Wildlife and
Countryside Act 1981
and Annex I of the EU Birds Directive.
 The network of roosting sites in this area forms one of the most important
winter hen harrier
roosts in northern England (Richard Saunders, Natural England, pers.
comm.)........etc

*However despite this the RSPB did not  object and should there be an
Appeal, from what I have seen,  Appeals Inspectors do not take notice of
these directives*.
*Nothing can help these birds.*

N C
*


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Subject: Call for birding volunteers to help study population dynamics in Tambopata, Amazonian Peru
From: Chris Kirkby <chris_kirkby AT yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 10:37:17 -0700 (PDT)
Dear UKBirdNetters


The Asociacion Fauna Forever (AFF), a not-for-profit organization based in 
Peru, 

is currently recruiting field research volunteers to assist this Summer and 
Autumn with bird (+ other vertebrate) sampling on the Fauna Forever Tambopata 
(FFT) project (http://faunaforever.org/fft) in the Amazon rainforest. The AFF 
team provides all onsite training in field methodology, including: 
mist-netting, 

bird ringing, bird morphometric measurements, etc.  The FFT project, which has 
been ongoing since 1997, is now a crucial conservation activity helping to 
understand the changes in diversity and population abundance of many hundreds 
of 

wild species at multiple locations in and around the Tambopata National Reserve 

and Bahuaja Sonene National Par. 

 
Successful applicants are kindly asked to cover their in-country expenses, from 

US$1,300 for 20 days, or US$2,150 for 40 days. 1+ month interships are also 
available. These fees include all accommodation in ecolodges and research 
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don't 

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Write-up in The Voluntary Traveler 

(http://www.thevoluntarytraveler.com/fauna-forever-amazon-conservation-research-volunteering-a-photo-tour-interview-with-chris-kirkby-part-1) 



Hopefully see a few of you in the Amazon soon!

All the best,

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________________________________
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Subject: Re: spring migration dates for Common (Eurasian) Kestrel in western Europe
From: "Stephen Welch" <lothianrecorder AT the-soc.org.uk>
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 15:17:31 +0100
Further to Lee's reply you can also use the trektellen site to plot graphs
of birds specifically recorded as migrants (by the vismig community).  Go
to:

http://www.trektellen.nl/

Select "Graph", "Species" (Kestrel), "Period" (All years), "Averages per
hour", then "Show overview", or try clicking this shortcut:

http://tinyurl.com/42sruhg

This confirms the protracted nature of movement, with a plateau over
March-May in spring, though it should be borne in mind it's not always easy
to determine whether a bird seen flying over is actually a true migrant or
not.

Further detail is available in the BTO "Migration Atlas"* where it is stated
(pp 246-249) that spring migration lasts from February to May with a peak in
March/April.  This further distinguishes that adults tend to arrive before
juvs and males before females, etc.

Regards

Stephen

* http://www.bto.org/science/migration/migration

> Jim
> 
> In general, COMMON KESTREL is very much a sedentary species
> here in Europe (certainly Western Europe), although a
> proportion of younger birds and those from more northerly
> latitudes and further east do migrate south and winter in 
> Iberia and North Africa.
> 
> Those that do migrate depart from late August arriving in
> wintering grounds  from late October and return early,
> migrating north between mid February and the  first week of
> April. We see little evidence of passage in Britain, just
> sporadic  sightings of up to 3 birds per day in spring and in
> Sept/Oct from coastal  locations such as Beachy Head (Sussex)
> and Portland Bill (Dorset) - Dungeness  and St Margaret's
> (Kent) seem to record  the most passage, with peaks of 8
> birds  very erratically
> 
> Hope this helps 
>
>
> Lee G R Evans


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> From: Jim Barton 
> To: Ukbirdnet ; Birdwg01
>
> Sent: Fri, 1 April, 2011 4:11:38
> Subject: [UKbirdnet] spring migration dates for Common (Eurasian)
>Kestrel in western Europe
>
>    Hello.  Can someone direct me to data on the  spring migration  of
> Common (Eurasian) Kestrel F. tinnunculus in western Europe?.
>
>    And does anyone have information on Kestrel wintering in South
> America or the  West Indies?
>
>    I have seen two birds on spring hawkwatches  at the Plum Island
> (Parker River) refuge in Newburyport, MA.  The   first was a not quite
> full adult male on April 17, 1999. The second was an  apparently adult
> female on  April 17, 2009.  Both birds were moving  north along the
> coast very rapidly.
>
>    A bird was rumored to have  been seen in 2010 during the third week
> of April.
>
>    The weather  here can be quite cold and miserable  in April here.
> Indeed, right  now  it's raining and snowing.  The food supply for
> Kestrel would appear  to be limited.
> I suspect the weather and the hunting is much better in the  U.K.
>
>    Thanks for your help.
>
>    Jim Barton
>     Cambridge,  MA

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Subject: spring migration dates for Common (Eurasian) Kestrel in western Europe
From: "Jim Barton" <redwingatfp1986 AT comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 23:11:38 -0400
    Hello.  Can someone direct me to data on the  spring migration of Common
(Eurasian) Kestrel F. tinnunculus in western Europe?.

    And does anyone have information on Kestrel wintering in South America 
or the
West Indies?

    I have seen two birds on spring hawkwatches at the Plum Island (Parker 
River) refuge in
Newburyport, MA.  The  first was a not quite full adult male on April 17, 
1999.
The second was an apparently adult female on  April 17, 2009.  Both birds 
were moving north along the coast very rapidly.

    A bird was rumored to have been seen in 2010 during the third week of 
April.

    The weather here can be quite cold and miserable  in April here. 
Indeed, right now
it's raining and snowing.  The food supply for Kestrel would appear to be 
limited.
I suspect the weather and the hunting is much better in the U.K.

    Thanks for your help.

    Jim Barton
    Cambridge, MA

 

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Subject: Test Your Skills
From: "Eddie Chapman" <echapman AT online.no>
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:20:49 +0200
This is a new Norwegian website that some on the list might find of
interest.

http://www.birdid.no/index.php

 

Regards,

Eddie Chapman, Voss, Norway. Blog: http://www.birdwatchnorway.com/

 



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Subject: Fw: [OB] Mongolia revokes decision to allow leopard hunting for science
From: "Norman Deans van Swelm" <norman.vanswelm AT wxs.nl>
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 20:32:44 +0100
FYI

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Axel Braunlich 
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Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 6:34 PM
Subject: [OB] Mongolia revokes decision to allow leopard hunting for science


  
Mongolia revokes decision to allow leopard hunting for science!

See Birding Mongolia www.birdsmongolia.blogspot.com

A big thank you to all who signed the petition against the hunting of 
Snow Leopards!

best,
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Subject: Fw: [BirdsinRussia] snow leopard hunting?
From: "Norman Deans van Swelm" <norman.vanswelm AT wxs.nl>
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:16:06 +0100
sign please.

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Subject: [BirdsinRussia] snow leopard hunting?


> Dear All,
>
> This is about a mammal, but nevertheless important:
>
> The Mongolian Government has recently proposed the legal hunting of up
> to four Ė and possibly many more Ė Snow Leopards in 2011, for
> ďresearchĒ. Please visit my blog and sign the petition against this!
>
> Birding Mongolia
> www.birdsmongolia.blogspot.com
>
> What comes next? Trophy hunting of Great Bustards? White-headed Ducks?
> Gobi Bears? Wild Bactrian Camels?
>
>
> Regards,
> Axel Braunlich
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> P.S. sorry for any cross-posting!
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Subject: Volunteers for anti-bird trapping operations on Cyprus this spring
From: Proact Campaigns <proact-campaigns AT online.de>
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 08:01:26 +0100
Ms. Edith Loosli, a Swiss lady who has been campaigning for years with 
her group `Migratory Birds Conservation in Cyprus' against bird trappers 
in the south-east of Cyprus, is looking for one or two volunteers to 
assist her in locating illegally set out lime sticks and nets for all or 
part of the period 20 April - 18 May2011.

All expenses (flight, bed, food, transport) will be met by Ms. Loosli. 
Sex, nationality and age are of no importance; but participants should 
be prepared and fit for a full day in the field. An interest in bird 
conservation is essential but bird recognition is of secondary 
importance. Ms. Loosli speaks excellent English (which is useful but not 
essential on Cyprus) and of course German.

For an idea of what she does have a look at: 

http://in.movies.yahoo.com/news-detail/11775/Meet-Edith-Cypriot-bird-hunters-worst-nightmare.html 


 


I have been in contact with Ms. Loosli for a number of years and am 
tremendously impressed by her enthusiasm, dedication and slow but sure 
successes.

Anyone interested should contact me as soon as possible on 
david.conlin AT komitee.de .

Regards,

David

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Subject: British beekeepers sponsored by producer beekilling pestiicide
From: "Norman Deans van Swelm" <norman.vanswelm AT wxs.nl>
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 01:43:13 +0100
reveals Dutch TV programme Zembla. The producer of the products containing 
beekiller pesticides 7000 x more poisonous that DDT , Bayer also sponsors a 
Dutch beekeepers association which since speaks very friendly over the 
product that kills all their little darlings and perhaps all other 
pollenating insects!
The principal advisor to the Dutch government for the introduction of new 
pesticides i.e. the University of Wageningen also has links with the 
producer.The principal researcher of the University, who investigates the 
massive death among Honey Bees sees no reason to take pesticides into 
consideration, he focussus on parasites in particular the Pharao Mite!
A scientist of the University of Utrecht which has no links with the 
producer of the pesticides is highly critical of scientific qualities of his 
fellow researcher cq. principal advisor to the Dutch government. The intense 
relationship between University and industry is also criticised and 
considered unwise.
It is also revealed that a new pesticide has been introduced for golf 
courses. The slightest pollution of surface water with the pesticide is 
enough to kill bees and probably not just them alone!
A French scientist who has warned against the use of nicotinoids produced by 
Bayer has been threatened to be sued but to no avail, this gentleman kept a 
straight back! It reminds me of how Rachel Carson (Silent Spring) was 
harassed 50/60 years ago by producers of pesticides when she warned against 
pesticides and how right she was!

You can see the programm via the link hereunder, it is mainly in Dutch of 
course but you may understand most of it anyway. It is certainly extremely 
urgent to investigate the state of affairs in Britain, see



 http://beta.uitzendinggemist.nl/afleveringen/1076385-de-moord-op-de-honingbij 





further  information on the problem of Beekillers see here:



 
http://www.avaaz.org/en/save_the_bees/97.php?cl_tta_sign=9f013036b5650e387db1bc7277b6ef0f 





Cheers,  Norman 

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Subject: Fwd: RSPB
From: sylvia wallace <sylvia.wallace AT gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 18:16:12 +0000
I have received this from a group concerned about a wind farm along with
another similar situation facing a group where there are Hen Harriers.
What's going on?  When one sees pictures taken real time (almost) and where
communication seems amiss as to what is happening out in the field is this
another situation of relying far too heaviilly on computer modelling?
Sylvia.

  This was our experience of the RSPB - it sounds as if others have found
the RSPB a bit more helpfull so maybe we should have another attempt at
getting them to lodge an objection.
 We get Whooper swans over-wintering in the area every year. They are very
popular with people living here, and their arrival is something that people
look forward to - to the local people they are an important wild-life asset.
 This picture was taken an hour ago and shows the Whooper swans grazing exactly
where one of the 14 x 125 metre turbines has been proposed. The swans
alternate between these fields and others to the south, flying in and out as
they see fit. Today there are 64 birds , yesterday there were only 35 - the
rest having flown in during the night.

 At the peak of the migration period there may be several hundred swans in
these fields.
 When the wind farm proposal was first made public we were very concerned
that a windfarm would have a serious impact on the birds which both fly over
on their migration and those which overwinter in the area. The locals know
all about the wildlife but the area has no classification or status for
wildlife conservation.
 We contacted the RSPB in February 2009 to ask for their support - they were
un-aware that Whooper swans were overwintering here and asked us how many.
We told them it was typically 40 but sometimes as many as 100. They told us
that they had far more on their reserve and while locally significant the
population that we had was not of National importance. Accordingly they
would not get invloved in objecting to this particular wind farm.
 We also raised the point that we are on the main migration route for geese
and that large skein of geese are seen flying directly through the wind farm
site when migration takes place. This picture shows one of many skein of
geese going straight through the proposed wind farm site. These geese had
come up from Norfolk - they are Pink Footed Geese on their migration flight.


   Other birds in the area include lapwing , where we have several hundred
at certain times of the year and a few pairs which nested on the boundary of
the wind farm site last year.
 During summer of 2009 we had a pair of Hobby nesting in a wood adjoining
the wind farm site.
 Other birds seen in significant numbers are yellow hammer, tree sparrow and
bullfinch. While these small birds are unlikely to be affected by a wind
farm they do illustrate the biodiversity of the area. From my desk I look
out to my garden and as many as 12 tree sparrows can sometimes be seen.
 In conclusion the wind farm proposal brought me into contact with the RSPB
and its officials.
 The response I got was neither favourable nor sympathetic.
 Maybe it was down to the person I spoke to, or maybe they were snowed under
with requests from wind farm campaign groups, but the response I got has
caused me to see them as an organisation driven by commercial motives rather
than to protect birds.
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Subject: Cheshire and Wirral Orn Soc meeting - Friday 4th March 2011 - in Knutsford
From: "Sheila Blamire" <sheila AT onlybirding.com>
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 21:46:49 -0000
This meeting should be of interest to anyone within a reasonable travelling
distance of Knutsford, Cheshire (Junction 19 M6 or junction 8 M56)

 

Friday 4th March 2011 - AGM followed by:

 

'WORKING WITH FARMERS AND FARMLAND BIRDS IN THE CHESHIRE AREA' by Andrew
Gouldstone (RSPB Area Conservation Manager) 

 

The RSPBs role in maintaining good relations with farmers has increased in
importance with a high proportion of declining birds in the UK dependent on
farmland. Although the RSPB working with farmers to develop and promote farm
management that supports birds, and with government to develop agricultural
policies that support wildlife-friendly farming, one has to remember that
three-quarters of the land in the UK is farmed and food production is a
vital activity upon which we all depend.

 

Cranford Suite (situated behind the Knutsford cinema), Civic Centre, Toft
Road, Knutsford, WA16 0PE

 

There will be free admission. A coffee break is taken after the AGM and
before Andrew's talk.  The doors open at 7:30pm for a 7:45pm start.

 

For further information contact Clive Richards: progsec AT cawos.org
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Subject: Re: Night-singing Woodpigeons
From: "Mike Alibone" <mike AT alibone.fsnet.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:02:45 -0000
Dave,

Yes indeed. Last weekend (can't remember if it was Friday or Saturday) I was 
also surprised to hear a Woodpigeon singing in the parkland alongside my house 
at some time between 12 midnight amd 1 AM. 


Mike Alibone
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dave Appleton 
  To: 'ukbirdnet' 
  Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 6:52 PM
  Subject: [UKbirdnet] Night-singing Woodpigeons


 Last night at 1.10 am I was surprised to hear a Woodpigeon singing outside my 
bedroom. It was quiet but distinct, and sung several times over a few minutes. 
At one point it appeared to be echoed by a second bird, though I cannot 
eliminate the possibility of it being the same bird singing more quietly. There 
were no street lights in the area and it wasn't a particularly bright night 
with moonlight etc. A Tawny Owl also called briefly while the Woodpigeon was 
singing but otherwise it was quiet. 


   

 Has anyone else heard Woodpigeons singing in the middle of the night? I can't 
find any references to this. 


   

  Cheers,

  Dave Appleton



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Subject: Night-singing Woodpigeons
From: "Dave Appleton" <appleton.dave AT googlemail.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:52:38 -0000
Last night at 1.10 am I was surprised to hear a Woodpigeon singing outside
my bedroom.  It was quiet but distinct, and sung several times over a few
minutes.  At one point it appeared to be echoed by a second bird, though I
cannot eliminate the possibility of it being the same bird singing more
quietly.  There were no street lights in the area and it wasn't a
particularly bright night with moonlight etc.  A Tawny Owl also called
briefly while the Woodpigeon was singing but otherwise it was quiet.

 

Has anyone else heard Woodpigeons singing in the middle of the night?  I
can't find any references to this.

 

Cheers,

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Subject: Re: SAVE THE VALLE GROTARI MARANO LAGOON FROM DEVELOPMENT
From: "Jim Barton" <redwingatfp1986 AT comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 10:46:25 -0500
 Hello. Re the below: delete "italia.epolis.friuli" address. which is bad, and 
will prevent your message from being sent. 


    Jim Barton
    Cambridge, MA, U.S.A.
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  Subject: [UKbirdnet] SAVE THE VALLE GROTARI MARANO LAGOON FROM DEVELOPMENT


 Please support WWF Italia in their campaign to stop the building development 
of the Valle Grotari Marano Lagoon and preserve its abundant bird and other 
wildlife. 


 Click the link below for more background information and to send a protest 
mail 


 
http://www.proact-campaigns.net/localcampaigns/valle_grotari_marano_lagoon.html 


  Thank you,

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Subject: Northumberland (UK) pelagics 2011
From: "Martin Kitching" <Martin.Kitching1 AT btopenworld.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:35:38 -0000
It may only be mid-February, and the summer may seem a long time in the future, 
but bookings for our 2011 pelagics (in association with the Northumberland & 
Tyneside Bird Club) are already coming in. 




This year we've extended our range to include a pelagic on a high speed RIB. 
The destination for that is the Farne Deeps, location of probably the best 
Northern Experience trip during 2010. We'll be repeating our groundbreaking 
Farne Deeps trip from Royal Quays as well and with my survey work for the 
Northeast Cetacean Project still continuing, as well as our involvement on the 
regional hub of Netgain (the North Sea Marine Conservation Zones Project), our 
pelagic trips offer an unrivalled opportunity to connect with the cetaceans 
that inhabit the North Sea off Northumberland. 




Northern Experience Pelagic Trip Programme 2011

 

Friday 22nd July 2011

A 4-hour evening pelagic departing Royal Quays Marina at 18:00. Cost £30 per 
person. Target species; Storm Petrel, Great Skua, cetaceans 


 

Wednesday 27th July 2011

A 5-hour pelagic to the Farne Deeps on a high-speed RIB, departing Seahouses 
Harbour, time tbc. Cost £70 per person. Target species; White-beaked Dolphin, 
Common Dolphin, Minke Whale 


 

Friday 29th July 2011

A 4-hour evening pelagic departing Royal Quays Marina at 18:00. Cost £30 per 
person. Target species; Storm Petrel, Great Skua, cetaceans 


 

Wednesday 3rd August 2011

A 4-hour evening pelagic departing Royal Quays Marina at 18:00. Cost £30 per 
person. Target species; Storm Petrel, Great Skua, cetaceans 


 

Thursday 11th August 2011

A 10-hour pelagic to the Farne Deeps departing Royal Quays Marina at 08:00. 
Cost £70 per person. Target species; White-beaked Dolphin, Common Dolphin, 
Minke Whale 


 

Saturday 3rd September 2011

An 8-hour day pelagic departing Royal Quays Marina at 09:00. Cost £47.50 per 
person. Target species; skuas, shearwaters, cetaceans 


 

Saturday 10th September 2011

A 4-hour Whale and Dolphin Cruise departing Seahouses Harbour at 10:00. Cost 
£35/adult, £20/child. Target species; White-beaked Dolphin, Minke Whale, 
Harbour Porpoise. 


 

Saturday 17th September 2011

An 8-hour day pelagic departing Royal Quays Marina at 09:00. Cost £47.50 per 
person. Target species; skuas, shearwaters, cetaceans 


 

Our pelagic trips from Royal Quays take place on the SarahJFK, a 44ft converted 
lifeboat which is used for sea-angling charters and for the last ten years has 
been chartered for our pelagic trips. The boat offers an excellent vantage 
point for observation of wildlife. All of our Royal Quays pelagics are limited 
to a maximum of 12 participants, allowing all on board a good opportunity to 
see any birds or cetaceans which are found. Some truly outstanding 
opportunities for photography occur on our pelagic trips as well, with many 
birds being attracted very close to the boat. 


 

Our Whale & Dolphin Cruise from Seahouses will be on Glad Tidings V.

 

Our pelagic trips have proved very successful and they are an excellent way to 
enjoy our offshore wildlife in the company of other birders who are always 
willing to help any less experienced participants. More experienced birders may 
well find that the North Sea is a new frontier for their birding. Pelagic 
birding is very unpredictable but highlights of our trips on the SarahJFK have 
included the 1st British North Sea Wilsonís Petrel (2002), Long-tailed Skua 
(2002), Sabineís Gull (2005), Harbour Porpoise (2006), Minke Whale (2006 and 
2007), Great Shearwater, Balearic Shearwater and Pomarine Skua (2007), 
excellent views of Sooty Shearwater in each of the last nine years and several 
very close encounters with White-beaked Dolphins, most recently on our Farne 
Deeps trip in September 2010 
http://www.newtltd.co.uk/blog/index.php/birdwatching/life-begins-at-40 . 


 

Participants should bring their own food and drink and warm/waterproof 
clothing. 


 

To reserve a place on any of these trips, please contact Martin Kitching 
martin AT newtltd.co.uk or (01670) 827465 and send a deposit of £10 per person per 
trip (cheque payable to ĎNorthern Experience Wildlife Tours Ltdí, 
non-refundable if you cancel at a later date) to NEWT Ltd, 18 Frances Ville, 
Scotland Gate, Northumberland, NE62 5ST. Alternatively, you can book online at 
http://www.newtltd.co.uk/tours.php?id=15. The balance of payment is due 2 weeks 
before sailing. 




best wishes

Martin Kitching



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Subject: SAVE THE VALLE GROTARI MARANO LAGOON FROM DEVELOPMENT
From: Proact Campaigns <proact-campaigns AT online.de>
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:28:04 +0100
Please support WWF Italia in their campaign to stop the building 
development of the Valle Grotari Marano Lagoon and preserve its abundant 
bird and other wildlife.

Click the link below for more background information and to send a 
protest mail

http://www.proact-campaigns.net/localcampaigns/valle_grotari_marano_lagoon.html

Thank you,

David
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Subject: Re: Your favourite bird in 2010
From: "Roy Hargreaves" <roy.hargreaves AT btinternet.com>
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 22:45:48 -0000
My favourite was the adult-type male Red-footed Falcon that I found on my
local patch (Tring Reservoirs). First acceptable record for the site, second
for Herts and widely appreciated. Yellow-browed Warbler are little gems but
adult male Red-footed Falcon - wow! Lesser Kestrel near Minsmere was a close
second but the local bird has it - just.

 

Roy

 

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[mailto:ukbirdnet-bounces AT dcs.bbk.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Malcolm Ogilvie
Sent: 12 February 2011 17:40
To: ukbirdnet AT dcs.bbk.ac.uk
Subject: Re: [UKbirdnet] Your favourite bird in 2010

 

 

I quite enjoyed the Yellow-browed Warbler in my garden :-)

Malcolm


In message , Nick
Morgan  writes
>It has to be the young White-tailed Eagle I saw in the fields below
>our house. Not even 'tickable' (one of the Scottish releases) but
>such an astonishingly unexpected sight that it knocks everything
>else into a cocked hat
> 
>Nick
>North Yorkshire
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>  Cracknell
>  Sent: 12 February 2011 14:57
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>  Subject: [UKbirdnet] Your favourite bird in 2010
>
>
>  So what was your favourite bird that you saw in the UK in 2010
>  and why?
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Subject: Fw: Why does Scotland need windmills?
From: "Norman Deans van Swelm" <norman.vanswelm AT wxs.nl>
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 23:06:04 +0100
Ok James if the need for clean energy is so urgent then please answer my 
question why such a huge hydroplant, covering about the whole of the central 
highlands stands idle most of the time? 

Three cheers BTW for Roy Dennis who has the backbone to stand up for our 
eagles! 

All the best, Norman

>Don't say: oh not again please! Last night I watched Prof. Iain Stewart's 
program on how Glasgow got rid of Cholera in the 1800's. It was done by leading 
clean water from Loch Katherine through an ingenious system of pipes and 
reservoirs to the City. This was the start of mass destruction of Scotland's 
Highland lakes and rivers in order to produce electricity by means of hydro 
electric plants. Today these works are in excellent condition and ready to 
produce clean electricity on a large scale for the National grid at any time it 
is reguired. Guess what? The hydroplants only deliver when the national grid is 
faced with peak demands f.i. when the English soccer team was send home during 
the World Championship in SA this summer! Other than that they stand idle! The 
reason given was that hydroplants' production depends on the availability of 
water! Now there is an argument for windmills! Eh? Can anyone explain why we 
should molest the landscape of Scotland again when so much production capacity 
of clean energy just stands there switched off? If the plants really are of no 
use anymore is it not time to restore the rivers and lakes in their old glory? 
Good for Salmon too! 

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Subject: Re: Your favourite bird in 2010
From: Malcolm Ogilvie <Malcolm AT ogilvie.org>
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 17:39:54 +0000
I quite enjoyed the Yellow-browed Warbler in my garden :-)

Malcolm


In message , Nick 
Morgan  writes
>It†has†to be the young White-tailed Eagle I saw in the fields below
>our house. Not even†'tickable' (one of the Scottish releases) but
>such an astonishingly unexpected sight that it knocks everything
>else into a cocked hat
>†
>Nick
>North Yorkshire
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>
>
>  So what was your favourite bird that you saw in the UK in 2010
>  and why?
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Subject: Re: Why does Scotland need windmills?
From: sylvia wallace <sylvia.wallace AT gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 16:01:44 +0000
Well,  it is time to waken up and stop yawning.

There was a time 19 years ago when birds and their wild habitats really
mattered.  It was a time when one could feel confident to trust
those claiming that they would do "nothing abhorrent to birds" but, it seems
the wind industry's interests appear to be uppermost in the minds of some
of those endorsing the development of windmills.  Is it vested interests and
shares in the wind industry that makes those claiming to protect birds a
 "convert" to windpower?

Tiresome maybe, but when the "converted"  failed to preach to their "non
converted" flock prior to endorsing harmful wind turbines that result in so
many dead birds, perhaps it is time to waken up, or 'man up' and take the
flak.

Once people talked about birds in the UK but now they have to spend time
trying to stop the destruction of their wild habitats.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-12089353
http://tohatchacrow.blogspot.com/2011/01/hillwalkers-wake-for-wilderness.html


Sylvia.

On 12 February 2011 14:54, James Cracknell  wrote:

> *yawn* after 19yrs on here to see this list become what it is, is so sad.
> There is no point preaching to the converted. It is so tiresome.
>
> Once people talked about birds in the UK.
>   On 12 Feb 2011 14:43, "sylvia wallace"  wrote:
> > You didn't complain about American Mink or Voles being off topic.
> Although
> > these creatures may affect ground nesting birds, windmills also affect
> birds
> > and preybirds too! Double standards?
> >
> > Sylvia
> >
> > On 6 February 2011 14:32, Malcolm Ogilvie  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Off-topic for this mailing list.
> >>
> >> Malcolm
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In message <3656AC866A83490D9032F90521C2784A AT NORMAN>, Norman Deans van
> >> Swelm  writes
> >>
> >>> Don't say: oh not again please! Last night I watched Prof. Iain St
> >>> ewart's program on how Glasgow got rid of Cholera in the 1800's. It
> >>> was done by leading clean water from Loch Katherine through an
> >>> ingenious system of pipes and reservoirs to the City. This was the
> >>> start of mass destruction of Scotland's Highland lakes and rivers in
> >>> order to produce electricity by means of hydro electric plants.
> >>> Today these works are in excellent condition and ready to produce
> >>> clean electricity on a large scale for the National grid at any time it
> >>> is reguired. Guess what? The hydroplants only deliver when the
> >>> national grid is faced with peak demands f.i. when the English
> >>> soccer team was send home during the World Championship in SA
> >>> this summer! Other than that they stand idle! The reason given was
> >>> that hydroplants' production depends on the availability of water!
> >>> Now there is an argument for windmills! Eh? Can anyone explain
> >>> why we should molest the landscape of Scotland again when so
> >>> much production capacity of clean energy just stands there
> >>> switched off? If the plants really are of no use anymore is it not time
> >>> to restore the rivers and lakes in their old glory? Good for Salmon
> >>> too!
> >>> Cheers, Norman
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> >>
> >> --
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Subject: Re: Your favourite bird in 2010
From: "Nick Morgan" <nick.morgan1 AT virgin.net>
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:58:38 -0000
It has to be the young White-tailed Eagle I saw in the fields below our
house. Not even 'tickable' (one of the Scottish releases) but such an
astonishingly unexpected sight that it knocks everything else into a cocked
hat

Nick
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Subject: Re: Why does Scotland need windmills?
From: sylvia wallace <sylvia.wallace AT gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 14:40:23 +0000
You didn't complain about American Mink or Voles being off topic.  Although
these creatures may affect ground nesting birds, windmills also affect birds
and preybirds too! Double standards?

Sylvia

On 6 February 2011 14:32, Malcolm Ogilvie  wrote:

>
> Off-topic for this mailing list.
>
> Malcolm
>
>
>
>
> In message <3656AC866A83490D9032F90521C2784A AT NORMAN>, Norman Deans van
> Swelm  writes
>
>>  Don't say: oh not again please! Last night I watched Prof. Iain St
>> ewart's program on how Glasgow got rid of Cholera in the 1800's. It
>> was done by leading clean water from Loch Katherine through an
>> ingenious system of pipes and reservoirs to the City. This was the
>> start of mass destruction of Scotland's Highland lakes and rivers in
>> order to produce electricity by means of hydro electric plants.
>> Today these works are in excellent condition and ready to produce
>> clean electricity on a large scale for the National grid at any time it
>> is reguired. Guess what? The hydroplants only deliver when the
>> national grid is faced with peak demands f.i. when the English
>> soccer team was send home during the World Championship in SA
>> this summer! Other than that they stand idle! The reason given was
>> that hydroplants' production depends on the availability of water!
>> Now there is an argument for windmills! Eh? Can anyone explain
>> why we should molest the landscape of Scotland again when so
>> much production capacity of clean energy just stands there
>> switched off? If the plants really are of no use anymore is it not time
>> to restore the rivers and lakes in their old glory? Good for Salmon
>> too!
>> Cheers, Norman
>> _______________________________________________
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>
> --
> Malcolm Ogilvie, Isle of Islay
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Subject: White-tailed Eagles love Egyptian Geese!
From: "Norman Deans van Swelm" <norman.vanswelm AT wxs.nl>
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 17:30:07 +0100
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bX0l1R8vhg
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Subject: Re: it's the American Mink or is it
From: "Norman Deans van Swelm" <norman.vanswelm AT wxs.nl>
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 02:29:21 +0100
Malcolm, by now you must know I do not have other agenda's. I am and allways 
have been a conservationist with a great interest in nature management, 
population biology, logic and law. From that my 'waffle' descends and if you 
see a resemblance with the views of the animal rights movement than I 
suggest you analyse their ideas they may not be so bad after all. I am 
disappointed you presented so few if any arguments but instead aimed at 
killing any debate and declare a perfectly descent question as Off-topic in 
order not having to respond while at the same time bullying others to follow 
you. How strange it is to see you blame me for not denying I made false 
claims! I am not aware I made false claims, it is not in my nature to do so. 
Still I hope that others have learned from this debate despite your 
disapproval.
Cheers, Norman


Malcolm Ogilvie states: > I note that you can't answer my question but just 
indulge in a lot of
> meaningless waffle. Nor have you denied that you are making false claim 
> after false claim about culls based not on knowledge but on an animal 
> rights agenda.
>
> I won't bother to respond again. I'll leave you to flail around in your 
> own little AR pond.
>
> Malcolm
>
>
> In message <1DCA3B172EBD40C7AB3C98D9101F05A8 AT NORMAN>, Norman Deans van 
> Swelm  writes
>>
>>Now you really surprise me Malcolm! You declare my plea for the 
>>restoration of the Scottish rivers to the benefit of Salmon and.... 
>>Dippers as: Off-topic for this mailing list and next you ask my opinion on 
>>rat extermination in the Galapagos!
>>
>>So you think I have another agenda. What agenda might that be?
>>
>>
>>Malcolm Ogilvie wrote: >> Here you go again :-(
>>>
>>> I'm beginning to think that you are anti-cull regardless of any merits 
>>> of  such programs. You are making false claim after false claim about 
>>> culls  which suggests to me you have another agenda.
>>>
>>> Tell me, Norman, what is your view of the extermination of rats from, 
>>> e.g.  Lundy, Canna, Ailsa Craig, Handa, several New Zealand and Fijian 
>>> islands,  and the campaign ongoing in the Galapagos?
>>>
>>> Malcolm
>>>  In message , Norman Deans van 
>>> Swelm  writes
>>>>When culling is not gueranteed 100% successfull it's pointless even to 
>>>>consider it. Remember them Ruddy Ducks? Before that
>>>>program even began it was known that the maximum result to be
>>>>had was a reduction to ca. twice the number of ducks that were
>>>>released in 1948! Costly and even more ridiculous as the
>>>>accusation that Ruddies were a threat to the survival of the
>>>>White-headed Duck turned out to be humbug! Culling creates
>>>>vacant territories and may lead to an increase in litters as well a
>>>>stimulation to spread to new areas!
>>>>Cheers, Norman
>>>>>“Oh I do understand the full picture, I am no advocate of releasing
>>>>alien species if that is what you think but when such a thing is a
>>>>fact I advise to keep calm and to stick to the facts instead of
>>>>exaggerating it's influence to the native fauna.
>>>>
>>>>  Cheers, Norman‚ÄĚ

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Subject: Re: it's the American Mink or is it
From: "Michael Watkins" <michaelwatkins936 AT btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 22:52:12 -0000
One thing I have found interesting in this discussion is the apparent 
difference of opinion about the meaning of the word "cull". Some appear to 
mean the complete elimination of an introduced species, whereas I have 
always thought of "cull" as meaning a reduction in numbers - as when the 
word was used in relation to a cull of the seal population, when there was, 
as far as I recall, no suggestion of an attempt at 100% elimination. Was it 
not the late Professor Joad who used to say "It depends what you mean by"?

Michael Watkins

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From: "Malcolm Ogilvie" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [UKbirdnet] it's the American Mink or is it


>
> I note that you can't answer my question but just indulge in a lot of 
> meaningless waffle. Nor have you denied that you are making false claim 
> after false claim about culls based not on knowledge but on an animal 
> rights agenda.
>
> I won't bother to respond again. I'll leave you to flail around in your 
> own little AR pond.
>
> Malcolm
>
>
> In message <1DCA3B172EBD40C7AB3C98D9101F05A8 AT NORMAN>, Norman Deans van 
> Swelm  writes
>>
>>Now you really surprise me Malcolm! You declare my plea for the 
>>restoration of the Scottish rivers to the benefit of Salmon and.... 
>>Dippers as: Off-topic for this mailing list and next you ask my opinion on 
>>rat extermination in the Galapagos!
>>
>>So you think I have another agenda. What agenda might that be?
>>
>>
>>Malcolm Ogilvie wrote: >> Here you go again :-(
>>>
>>> I'm beginning to think that you are anti-cull regardless of any merits 
>>> of  such programs. You are making false claim after false claim about 
>>> culls  which suggests to me you have another agenda.
>>>
>>> Tell me, Norman, what is your view of the extermination of rats from, 
>>> e.g.  Lundy, Canna, Ailsa Craig, Handa, several New Zealand and Fijian 
>>> islands,  and the campaign ongoing in the Galapagos?
>>>
>>> Malcolm
>>>  In message , Norman Deans van 
>>> Swelm  writes
>>>>When culling is not gueranteed 100% successfull it's pointless even to 
>>>>consider it. Remember them Ruddy Ducks? Before that
>>>>program even began it was known that the maximum result to be
>>>>had was a reduction to ca. twice the number of ducks that were
>>>>released in 1948! Costly and even more ridiculous as the
>>>>accusation that Ruddies were a threat to the survival of the
>>>>White-headed Duck turned out to be humbug! Culling creates
>>>>vacant territories and may lead to an increase in litters as well a
>>>>stimulation to spread to new areas!
>>>>Cheers, Norman
>>>>>“Oh I do understand the full picture, I am no advocate of releasing
>>>>alien species if that is what you think but when such a thing is a
>>>>fact I advise to keep calm and to stick to the facts instead of
>>>>exaggerating it's influence to the native fauna.
>>>>
>>>>  Cheers, Norman‚ÄĚ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  I am now confused. Maybe it is too early on a Monday morning
>>>>  to be reading this but I must say, Norman, if you understand the
>>>>  full picture you would surely understand the need to eradicate
>>>>  destructive alien species. Do you believe that Grey Squirrel
>>>>  should be allowed spread unhindered at the expense of the
>>>>  native Red Squirrel or is it ok to cull them at every opportunity
>>>>  so long as it is not those killing birds of prey that do it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Who exactly was you first e-mail aimed at?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Bob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  From: ukbirdnet-bounces AT dcs.bbk.ac.uk
>>>>  [mailto:ukbirdnet-bounces AT dcs.bbk.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
>>>>  Norman Deans van Swelm
>>>>  Sent: 06 February 2011 00:42
>>>>  To: Eddie Chapman; UKBN
>>>>  Subject: Re: [UKbirdnet] it's the American Mink or is it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Hi Eddie I'll answer your questions below and have a few of my
>>>>  own a well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Cheers, Norman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Eddie Chapman>I am a bit late out with this, sorry!! But since
>>>>  Norm has just answered
>>>>  > Malcolm then I take it the thread is not entirely dead.
>>>>  > Norman, a few questions and one or two comments about the
>>>>  American Mink here
>>>>  > in Norway, where it is causing huge damage on isolated
>>>>  sea-bird colonies
>>>>  > amongst other things.<
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  can you give some examples please Eddy?
>>>>
>>>>  > We have seen releases of captive Mink by animal activists but
>>>>  most of those
>>>>  > animals were caught again (by hand!) or were hit by cars etc.
>>>>  >
>>>>  > Here in Norway it was the mink farmer himself who let the
>>>>  animals out in
>>>>  > many cases. sThe bottom had fallen out of the market here in
>>>>  Norway, there
>>>>  > was no money to be made so they didn't have enough to pay
>>>>  for the mink's
>>>>  > food, slaughtering them or disposing of their bodies. In fact,
>>>>  many mink
>>>>  > farmers were over the moon if animal activists paid them a visit
>>>>  and
>>>>  > liberated the animals. Then they could claim on the insurance,
>>>>  which many
>>>>  > did.
>>>>  > This being the case - What country are you referring to? Who
>>>>  caught these
>>>>  > escaped/liberated minks by hand? Here in Norway the animal
>>>>  activists
>>>>  > wouldn't as this would only mean that the animals were
>>>>  returned to their
>>>>  > cages. The mink farmers wouldn't, they were already claiming
>>>>  losses on their
>>>>  > insurance. > I think very few made it into the wild<
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  my examples concern The Netherlands Eddy where the mink
>>>>  farmers are furious when their mink have been released, perhaps
>>>>  the insurance doesn't pay here, I don't know. Each time Mink
>>>>  had been released the press report that farmers were able to
>>>>  recover most of the animals and that some were killed by traffic. I
>>>>  have been puzzled by the fact that American Mink hasn't really
>>>>  established itself here like it has in Norway and in the UK. It
>>>>  could be the presence of PCB's which caused the Otter to
>>>>  become extinct. PCB's are blamed as the prime cause for the
>>>>  extinction of the European Mink in large parts of the European
>>>>  mainland. On the other hand chance may play a role as well
>>>>  when so few animals escape they may be of the same sex . The
>>>>  Dutch escapees may not be as fit as the Norwegian ones, who
>>>>  knows they have been fed Dutch Eel full of PCB's? In any case
>>>>  there is no proof of American Mink settling and reproducing in
>>>>  The Netherlands.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  > Maybe on Planet Norm! but not here in Norway. The first mink
>>>>  farm was set
>>>>  > up in 1927 and the first American Mink were found in the wild
>>>>  in 1930. From
>>>>  > that day the animal has spread along the Norwegian coast line
>>>>  and inland
>>>>  > along waterway systems. On an average, as many as 6-7000
>>>>  mink are killed by
>>>>  > hunters here in Norway, either by shooting or trapping. Now
>>>>  Norm, if "very
>>>>  > few made it into the wild" as you state, how is that the
>>>>  numbers killed here
>>>>  > in Norway have remained stable? That figure is most probably
>>>>  only the top of
>>>>  > the iceberg as many hunters don't bother to send in their stats
>>>>  to the
>>>>  > hunting authorities. In addition there are the many minks that
>>>>  are killed by
>>>>  > your average Joe Blogs or by cars.<
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  If hunting pressure is so intense in Norway it will surely
>>>>  stimulate Mink to have large litters in any case the numbers you
>>>>  mention proof that persecuting Mink is to no avail and therefore
>>>>  senseless!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  > On a last note. Many animal activists have apologised for
>>>>  releasing the
>>>>  > American Mink into the Norwegian fauna and they realise the
>>>>  big mistake they
>>>>  > have made. So Norman it is a pity that you won't or don't
>>>>  understand the
>>>>  > full picture. <
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Oh I do understand the full picture, I am no advocate of
>>>>  releasing alien species if that is what you think but when such a
>>>>  thing is a fact I advise to keep calm and to stick to the facts
>>>>  instead of exaggerating it's influence to the native fauna.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Cheers, Norman
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