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30 Apr Great news for seabird conservation in SA [Ross Wanless ]
8 Nov (no subject) [Paul Bartho ]
1 Jul Oceans of Life photocomp now open for submissions [Ross Wanless ]
30 Jan g-Bird Android ["Kevin Ravno" ]
12 Jan Re: Out of Africa [Helen Larson ]
10 Jan Out of Africa [sally king ]
27 Aug 3-D African Bird Atlas updates ["Kevin Ravno" ]
11 Jul weaver colony size changes & Weaver Wednesdays [Dieter Oschadleus ]
11 Jul weaver colony size changes & Weaver Wednesdays [Dieter Oschadleus ]
2 Jul Pelagic trip from Maputo MZ, 30th June 2012 [Gary Allport ]
29 Mar Re: Birding video going viral! [John Tongue ]
28 Mar Re: Birding video going viral! ["Valentine, Peter" ]
24 Aug Video PHOWN [Dieter Oschadleus ]
9 Feb The new SA BirdNet [Déwald Swanepoel ]
8 Feb Garden food for Brown-headed Parrots? [Gary Allport ]
7 Feb Re: Old vs New sabirdnet [Penny de Vries ]
07 Feb Old vs New sabirdnet ["Jenny Norman" ]
7 Feb FW: Atlasing: Pentad 2640_2525 Delareyville Northwest Province ["RihannG" ]
6 Feb iSabirdnet iPhone app and Yahoo! Groups [Ivor Williams ]
06 Feb Re: No mail? [Joel Avni ]
6 Feb Re: No mail? [Bharat Bhushan ]
6 Feb Re: No mail? ["Theo Wassenaar" ]
06 Feb Re: No mail? [Adrian Haagner ]
6 Feb Re: No mail? ["Lesley Frescura" ]
6 Feb Re: No mail? ["Lynette Rens" ]
6 Feb Re: No mail? ["Gill Jensen" ]
6 Feb Re: No mail? ["Peter" ]
6 Feb Re: No mail? ["Theo Wassenaar" ]
6 Feb Re: Northern KZN [Richard Mckibbin ]
6 Feb Fw: kruger [Richard Mckibbin ]
6 Feb Re: No mail? ["Lesley Frescura" ]
6 Feb P.S. ["Lynette Rens" ]
6 Feb Re: No mail? ["Lynette Rens" ]
6 Feb At least this address works! ["Lynette Rens" ]
6 Feb Re: No mail? [Allan Ridley ]
6 Feb Bee-eaters ["BARRY PORTER" ]
5 Feb Northern KZN [Gregory de Klerk ]
5 Feb Re: No mail? ["Lynette Rens" ]
5 Feb Re: I got my message from this address ["Lynette Rens" ]
5 Feb Re: I got my message from this address ["Lynette Rens" ]
5 Feb I got my message from this address ["Lynette Rens" ]
5 Feb Fw: Most sought-after African and world birds? ["Lynette Rens" ]
5 Feb Re: No mail? ["Lynette Rens" ]
5 Feb Re: No mail? ["Jon Cilliers" ]
5 Feb No mail? [bruce ]
31 Jan Trip Report BIRDING TOUR 27th November to 11th DECEMBER 2010 [Maans Booysen ]
31 Jan Re: Trip Report 12th to 21st January 2011 [Maans Booysen ]
29 Jan RFI Velddrift [Francois-Pierre Joubert ]
25 Jan Volunteers wanted for a 20-day pelagic trip! [Ross Wanless ]
25 Jan Re: The Common Myna [Craig ]
25 Jan Re: The Common Myna ["Bryan Groom" ]
25 Jan Re: The Common Myna ["Errol de Beer" ]
25 Jan Re: The Common Myna [Nigel Anderson ]
25 Jan Re: The Common Myna ["Bronwyn Howard (Editor - The Birder Online)" ]
25 Jan Re: The Common Myna [Ronald Orenstein ]
25 Jan Re: Most sought-after African and world birds? ["Ralda Heyns" ]
25 Jan Re: Most sought-after African and world birds? ["Lynette Rens" ]
25 Jan Re: The Common Myna [Dawie Rotteveel ]
25 Jan Atlassing Ulundi..... [Justin Nicolau ]
25 Jan Re: Recent rains bring joy to birding ["Theo Wassenaar" ]
25 Jan Atlassing Ulundi..... [Justin Nicolau ]
25 Jan Re: Recent rains bring joy to birding ["Dirk Human (dirkh AT absa.co.za)" ]
25 Jan Re: Recent rains bring joy to birding ["Crystelle Wilson" ]
25 Jan RFI Northern Cape road conditions [Francois Dreyer ]
25 Jan The Common Myna ["Roger Fieldwick" ]
25 Jan Re: 800 birds for the Bustards. Progress report []
25 Jan Re: Island rat eradication ["Bronwyn Howard (Editor - The Birder Online)" ]
25 Jan Most sought-after African and world birds? [Birding Ecotours ]
25 Jan Lesser Flamingo at Albasini Dam [Samson Mulaudzi ]
24 Jan Island rat eradication [Mark Anderson ]
24 Jan Re: 800 birds in a year. 2011 is the year! ["Mark Muller & Alison Flatt" ]
24 Jan Re: 800 birds for the Bustards. Progress report ["Pieter la Grange" ]
24 Jan Re: Fund raising ["Danie van den Bergh" ]
24 Jan Fund raising ["BARRY PORTER" ]
24 Jan Re: 800 birds in a year. 2011 is the year! ["Bronwyn Howard (Editor - The Birder Online)" ]
24 Jan Re: 800 birds in a year. 2011 is the year! [Craig ]

Subject: Great news for seabird conservation in SA
From: Ross Wanless <rosswanless AT gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 11:31:20 +0200
Hi all
A great day for BirdLife South Africa's efforts in reducing seabird deaths
in the SA trawl fishery. In 2008 it was estimated that 18 000 birds were
dying in this fishery each year. We've just released a paper that reports
on how that figure has changed. It's pretty dramatic - for all seabirds the
reduction is of the order of 90%, but for albatrosses its more like 99%
fewer mortalities. This is thanks to the Albatross Task Force team's
efforts, and a very cooperative fishery that worked with the ATF to ensure
the risks were addressed. The fishery has Marine Stewardship Council
certification, and that was an important factor in ensuring this fantastic
outcome.

The research is available from http://doi.wiley.com/10.1111/acv.12126. The
full citation is:

Maree, BA, Wanless RM, Fairweather TP, Sullivan BJ & Yates O. 2014.
Significant reductions in mortality of threatened seabirds in a South
African trawl fishery. Animal Conservation 17: published online

Regards
Ross

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Subject: (no subject)
From: Paul Bartho <p.bartho AT gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 17:18:18 +1100
For those of you interested, I have posted a couple of bird reports (with
pictures) on outings to Werribee and the Yarra Bend Park in Melbourne. To
see the posts go to http://www.blpn.org.

Paul Bartho
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Subject: Oceans of Life photocomp now open for submissions
From: Ross Wanless <rosswanless AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 09:58:10 +0200
Hi all
I am writing in my capacity as seabird Division manager at BirdLife South
Africa. Each year our division runs the Save Our Seabirds Festival, with
the Oceans of Life marine photographic competition at its core. Today we
opened the competition for entries. The ORYX prize for the winning entry,
sponsored by ORYX photographic expeditions, is a trip for two with One
Oceans Expeditions to the Arctic - valued at up to $15K (depending on which
departure is chosen by the winner). That's a pretty serious prize! There's
also a youth prize from Canon - an EOS 7D body and lens kit worth about $2K.

Note that although seabirds have always been a powerful theme in each
competition to date, the criterion is for marine biodiversity, not just
seabirds.

Please register & submit your pictures, and send this as wide as you can;
the more popular the competition the better. Check out
http://www.sosfestival.co.za/, and thanks in advance for your support!
Cheers
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Subject: g-Bird Android
From: "Kevin Ravno" <kevin AT natworld.org>
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:58:12 -0800
Hi everyone
The Android version of g-Bird was recently released and is available for Free 
download from the Google PlayStore. 

The app is aimed at making it quick, easy and loads of fun to record what you 
are currently viewing in the field and provide a large amount of feedback 
including maps, lists, reports, out-of-range vetting and trip-counters. Once 
uploaded, your sightings will then also be viewable in 3-D GoogleEarth on 
www.g-bird.org and can be emailed to others who birded with you. 


The app can be used in any country in Africa and features full Country lists 
for each country in several different languages. Each sighting added from your 
trip is shown to fall either inside or outside of its known distribution range 
for that species at the point where you recorded it. I have found this to be 
really useful when birding in an area outside of where I am familiar with and 
am not sure as to whether a particular species should occur there. The 
immediate feedback gives one the chance to re-id the bird while it is still in 
front of you in the case of it being confused with a similar species. 


The iPhone version is also available for free download from the Apple iStore.

We hope this proves useful to birders in the future

Regards
Kevin Ravno
NaturalWorld Foundation

www.g-bird.org
www.facebook.com/groups/gbirdwebsite/

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Subject: Re: Out of Africa
From: Helen Larson <gobywan2001 AT yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 01:57:21 +0000 (GMT)
Come in May! Just as Bob said. Top End is magic then. And you can get 
around.... 

August-September is best if you are looking for freshwater fishes, but not for 
birds. 

Helen

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Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 23:15
Subject: [Birding-Aus] Out of Africa
 
Hi to the Net

Paul and I are in the throes of planning visit to Darwin and the Top End
this year, but cannot decide on the best time to go (I am sure there are
various 'best times').

We are led to believe that the sensible time to go is between  May and the
start of the Wet in November. Our initial thoughts were to go in June, but
this is peak holiday time and some areas could still be flooded. Others
have suggested Aug/Sep but a few reports we have read suggest that it could
be very windy at that time. When to go???  Any advice will be much
appreciated.

Good birding

Sally Bartho
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Subject: Out of Africa
From: sally king <sallyxking AT gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:15:16 +0200
Hi to the Net

Paul and I are in the throes of planning visit to Darwin and the Top End
 this year, but cannot decide on the best time to go (I am sure there are
various 'best times').

We are led to believe that the sensible time to go is between  May and the
start of the Wet in November. Our initial thoughts were to go in June, but
this is peak holiday time and some areas could still be flooded. Others
have suggested Aug/Sep but a few reports we have read suggest that it could
be very windy at that time. When to go???  Any advice will be much
appreciated.

Good birding

Sally Bartho
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Subject: 3-D African Bird Atlas updates
From: "Kevin Ravno" <kevin AT natworld.org>
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 23:04:58 -0700
Hi everyone

Just a quick thanks to everyone who responded to this new project. We have 
rewritten a large part of the project and it should be a lot faster and easier 
to use now. We also added several online Help videos if you wish to see more 
details on how to use the system, or you can log in as the Test user and view 
the Test data to get more of an idea of how to use the system. 


g-Bird allows you to quickly and easily record what you are currently seeing in 
the field for any country in Africa and upload your sightings from the field to 
the server. You will then be able to view your sightings in 3-D Google Earth on 
www.g-bird.org The system will also flag any sighting that falls outside of its 
known distribution range for anywhere in Africa allowing one the chance to 
re-assess the id of the bird while it is still in front of you in the field in 
case of a mis-id. 



g-Bird is designed to be a fun, easy to use 3-D interface that provides a large 
amount of feedback to birders in a variety of different ways. It also allows 
you to Export your sightings into MS Excel or CSV format from the system in 
order to use in personal databases of your choice. Registration is free and the 
iPhone app is also available for free download from the iStore and will GPS and 
Timestamp all sightings that you add to your Trip lists. 



If you have any questions or suggestions please dont hesitate to send us a mail

Regards
Kevin Ravno
NaturalWorld Foundation

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Subject: weaver colony size changes & Weaver Wednesdays
From: Dieter Oschadleus <doschadleus AT gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 20:15:05 +0200
Hi all

*Weaver Wednesdays*

Want to know more about different weaver species? Bookmark
http://weavers.adu.org.za where, every Wednesday, one species will be
covered with interesting information and illustrations. To see a list of
species already covered, see http://weavers.adu.org.za/species.php

*Weaver colony sizes*

Relatively little is known about weaver colony sizes, and even less about
seasonal and annual changes in colony sizes.

By contributing regular PHOWN (PHOtos of Weaver Nests,
http://weavers.adu.org.za/phown.php) records, the PHOWN database can start
to provide insights into colony sizes of weavers.
Choose a weaver colony near to your home or work that you can monitor on a
regular basis. The suggested interval for repeats is weekly, but you can
submit repeats on a daily, monthly or random basis (although regular is
best).
If you have already participated, note that you save your colony in the
gazetteer, making it even quicker and easier to submit repeat records, than
submitting new records.

If you have not taken part yet, you can start now! You can also register
your colony (for repeats) by sending me an email, but registration is not
necessary - just send records.
Single records are still valuable too!

Read more about Repeats at http://weavers.adu.org.za/phownrepeat.php

* PHOWN is a Virtual Museum, citizen science project of the Animal
Demography Unit, to collect and monitor breeding distributions and colony
sizes of weaver birds globally.

Dieter


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Subject: weaver colony size changes & Weaver Wednesdays
From: Dieter Oschadleus <doschadleus AT gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 20:15:05 +0200
Hi all

*Weaver Wednesdays*

Want to know more about different weaver species? Bookmark
http://weavers.adu.org.za where, every Wednesday, one species will be
covered with interesting information and illustrations. To see a list of
species already covered, see http://weavers.adu.org.za/species.php

*Weaver colony sizes*

Relatively little is known about weaver colony sizes, and even less about
seasonal and annual changes in colony sizes.

By contributing regular PHOWN (PHOtos of Weaver Nests,
http://weavers.adu.org.za/phown.php) records, the PHOWN database can start
to provide insights into colony sizes of weavers.
Choose a weaver colony near to your home or work that you can monitor on a
regular basis. The suggested interval for repeats is weekly, but you can
submit repeats on a daily, monthly or random basis (although regular is
best).
If you have already participated, note that you save your colony in the
gazetteer, making it even quicker and easier to submit repeat records, than
submitting new records.

If you have not taken part yet, you can start now! You can also register
your colony (for repeats) by sending me an email, but registration is not
necessary - just send records.
Single records are still valuable too!

Read more about Repeats at http://weavers.adu.org.za/phownrepeat.php

* PHOWN is a Virtual Museum, citizen science project of the Animal
Demography Unit, to collect and monitor breeding distributions and colony
sizes of weaver birds globally.

Dieter


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Animal Demography Unit      tel: (021) 650-2421
University of Cape Town   NEW fax: (021) 650-3301 (Zoology)
Rondebosch 7701 RSA   After-hours: 083-285-6889
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Subject: Pelagic trip from Maputo MZ, 30th June 2012
From: Gary Allport <Gary.Allport AT birdlife.org>
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 10:06:04 +0000
Dear All

As quite a few people on this list are aware, I have been trying and mostly 
failing to organise pelagic trips off Maputo, Mozambique for the last 18 
months. The problems have been many, but lack of decent boats indeed decent 
Captains, and then the conspiring weather have all added up to very limited 
success so far. I have only managed to get out of Maputo Bay twice in the last 
18 months and both times were on fishing trips which really never got to the 
interesting areas. Nevertheless the results were encouraging. 


So, having found a reasonable looking boat and a Captain of some local repute 
it was great that the forecasted weather looked good for the weekend and so a 
team from Johannesburg put together by Niall Perrins trekked over to Maputo on 
Friday. 


The day had its ups and downs, not least the discovery that the Captain had 
failed to check the tides and the boat was very nearly aground on the falling 
tide when we arrived to board in Maputo Marina. Indeed it took 20 minutes of 
hauling and punting the boat off the shoals before we finally escaped for the 
open sea. The boat 'Number 1' was about as small a craft as one would want to 
take out on the high seas holding six passengers with little protection from 
the water. But the weather was flat calm, as predicted, when we left Maputo so 
no one was really worried. 


The trip across Maputo Bay took around 40 minutes and we saw a few Cape Gulls 
and some groups of Swift Terns and Cape Gannets en route plus a couple of 
Bottle-nosed Dolphins as we approached Inhaca Island from the Bay side. The sea 
state from the tidal race was quite heavy as we reached Portuguese Island on 
the eastern side of the bay but as we got into deeper water it was clear that 
the sea conditions were quite different from those forecast. The swell was 
running a 2m plus from the north with a fresh northerly breeze (1m swell from 
the south, near calm predicted) but we ploughed offshore, running a line of 
fish oil, hopeful. 


It was very quiet. On the two previous occasions I have been out (May & 
October) there has been lots of activity over the shelf, even quite close 
inshore, with feeding groups of tuna with flocks of Sooty Terns above and 
pelagic species amongst them even just a few km out from Inhaca Island. There 
were no feeding groups of birds so we just headed out to see what the chum 
might bring. 


At 10 km we encountered our first Flesh-footed Shearwaters and at 18km we set a 
large chum slick and tried a frozen block of fish which drew in a few more 
Flesh-foots and a Wilson's Storm Petrel. Two larger darker birds turned on the 
horizon but remained frustratingly unseen. Whale blows were seen twice, almost 
certainly Humpbacks, but the viewing conditions precluded us from confirming 
their identity. At 25km offshore we hit the 500m depth line and set a big slick 
and tossed in another frozen block which brought in seven Flesh-foots and a 
single Wilson's. We saw single Wilson's four times in all but were not sure if 
it was the same bird following us around. 


By this time four folk had succumbed to the rock and roll of the small boat and 
so we elected to head for shelter, seeing a few more Flesh-foots on the trek 
back inshore. We then checked through the groups of Cape Gannets and Swift 
Terns feeding along the high edge of the shelf but found nothing else of 
interest. We found several groups of bait fish on the surface but there were 
few birds working them over, surprisingly. 


So, overall it was good to get offshore and get a first snapshot of birds off 
Maputo at this time of year. There were few birds around and with no feeding 
groups of tuna and no fishing vessels around there was nothing to concentrate 
the birds and it was quite hard work therefore. But equally there were some 
birds to be seen and the team is keen to try again later in the year. 


I am still on the lookout for a larger boat but we will go out on Number 1 
again as it is fast and seaworthy, if a little character building. 


Anon

Gary Allport

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Maputo Pelagic
30th June 2012
0630-1500
Route: ENE across Maputo Bay, passing Inhaca light at 0720, ESE over drop off 
to 500m depth ca 10.30am. Returned WSW to 5km from shore then NE along 50m 
contour to Baixo Danae, returning to Maputo Marina WSW. 

Observers: Gary Allport, Ross Hughes, Niall Perrins, Allan Ridley, Kerry 
Fairley, Kevin Forsberg 


Birds:

Swift Tern - c80
Common Tern (ident) - 1
Cape Gannet - c200
Flesh-footed Shearwater - c20 (in pairs and singles, with one group of seven. 
All in heavy moult) 

Wilson's Petrel - 1-4

Cetaceans:

Bottle-nosed Dolphin - 2.
Whale sp - 2


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Subject: Re: Birding video going viral!
From: John Tongue <jspk AT iprimus.com.au>
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 09:43:08 +1100
Brilliant!  I can see myself there so many times.

John Tongue
Ulverstone, Tas


On 29/03/2012, at 5:32 AM, Gunnar Engblom wrote:

> "Here we go" - sorry for crossposting.
> 
> There is video on YouTube about birding and us birders that is going viral
> since yesterday by Jason Kessler http://youtu.be/NaX7i1Q7-Rw. It is very
> funny. It has almost 15000 views in only 3 days. I managed to get an
> interview with Jason here
> http://birdingblogs.com/2012/Gunnar/shit-birders-say and you can also watch
> the video there. And there is a small competition there as well. Can you
> guess how many views the clip will have by May 3?
> 
> Now what strikes me is that it would be fantastic if this short video could
> reach say a million viewers. Why? It would have an tremendous impact
> bridging to non-birders. The combination of this view of birders and the
> one that is showing on the film the Big Year makes a fuller picture what
> birding is all about. The struggles with identification and problems of
> pointing out a bird to someone.
> 
> I ask you please to send/share the video or my blogpost to all birders you
> know or anyone you know who has seen The Big Year movie.
> 
> Have a laugh...maybe you even recognize yourself.
> 
> 
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Subject: Re: Birding video going viral!
From: "Valentine, Peter" <peter.valentine AT jcu.edu.au>
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 14:29:22 -0700
OK by me


On 29/03/2012, at 4:32 AM, Gunnar Engblom wrote:

> "Here we go" - sorry for crossposting.
> 
> There is video on YouTube about birding and us birders that is going viral
> since yesterday by Jason Kessler http://youtu.be/NaX7i1Q7-Rw. It is very
> funny. It has almost 15000 views in only 3 days. I managed to get an
> interview with Jason here
> http://birdingblogs.com/2012/Gunnar/shit-birders-say and you can also watch
> the video there. And there is a small competition there as well. Can you
> guess how many views the clip will have by May 3?
> 
> Now what strikes me is that it would be fantastic if this short video could
> reach say a million viewers. Why? It would have an tremendous impact
> bridging to non-birders. The combination of this view of birders and the
> one that is showing on the film the Big Year makes a fuller picture what
> birding is all about. The struggles with identification and problems of
> pointing out a bird to someone.
> 
> I ask you please to send/share the video or my blogpost to all birders you
> know or anyone you know who has seen The Big Year movie.
> 
> Have a laugh...maybe you even recognize yourself.
> 
> 
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Subject: Video PHOWN
From: Dieter Oschadleus <doschadleus AT gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:47:49 +0200
Hi

You can upload videos of weaver colonies from anywhere in the world to YouTube 
and link them to a 

PHOWN (PHotos Of Weaver Nests)record.
By linking your video clip to PHOWN, you add value to this project, and 
will obtain expert commentary on your clip.
If you already have clips of weaver colonies on YouTube, you can submit 
a PHOWN record if you have the date that the clip was taken and know the 
exact locality.

Two clips are available to see how this will work - see 
http://weavers.adu.org.za/phown_ut.php and choose to see one of the 2 clips.

To take part in this, read more here: 
http://weavers.adu.org.za/ph_help12.php

If you don't have a video camera, bookmark 
http://weavers.adu.org.za/phown_ut.php and come back later to view new 
additions.

Dieter

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Subject: The new SA BirdNet
From: Déwald Swanepoel <dewald.swanepoel AT gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 20:58:38 +0200
Greetings birders,

 

It seems that there is still wide scale confusion as to how to subscribe to
the new SA BirdNet. I've posted a message a while ago with a simpler method
of subscribing than visiting the Yahoo Groups website and finding the
"sabirdnet" group. It seems though that I didn't make it simple enough and
now I find myself as the unofficial official technical support for people
still struggling to subscribe. I've decided to write a more detailed e-mail
with precise instructions on how to subscribe. Hopefully this will clear up
any confusion that would-be subscribers might still have and free up my
inbox from requests for help ;-)

 

First of all, it is perhaps worth noting that the new SA BirdNet differs
from the old one in a few aspects. It offers all the features of the
previous one and more. These in itself might have been sufficient reason for
the move to be made but Jenny's hand was forced anyway when the server
hosting the old SA BirdNet was configured with a new firewall that precludes
it from being utilised as a bulk e-mail mailing server.

 

Most of the advanced features that the new SA BirdNet offers are only
available if you have a Yahoo account. To register for a Yahoo account is
free and fairly simple but this write-up does not deal with the steps
required to do that. If you do not have a Yahoo account you can still
subscribe to the new SA BirdNet in which case it will work in much the same
way as the old one that you are used to.

 

There are four ways in which you can subscribe to the new SA BirdNet, the
first two require that you have a Yahoo account while the last two require
only that you have an e-mail address. My suspicion is that anyone who has a
Yahoo account or knows how to register for a Yahoo account doesn't really
need to be coached through subscribing to "sabirdnet" either. If you don't
feel that you fall in that category, skip straight to Method 3 below.

 

Method 1: Visit the group page for "sabirdnet" on Yahoo Groups. The address
for the group is http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/sabirdnet/ (don't ask me
why Yahoo sorts it under "pets"). On the right and towards the top of the
page there will be a blue rectangular button with the words "Join This
Group!". Click on this button. If you are not already logged in to your
Yahoo account you will be prompted to do it, after which you will be
subscribed to the group.

 

Method 2: Send an e-mail to sabirdnet-subscribe AT yahoogroups.com. Don't write
anything in the subject line or in the body, just send a blank e-mail to the
address. You will shortly receive an e-mail from YahooGroups with a link on
which you can click (or copy and paste into your internet browser) to
complete your subscription. When the website opens you will see the text
"Join the group" in large blue letters in the middle of the screen. Once you
click on the text you will be prompted to log in to your Yahoo account after
which you will be subscribed to the group.

*side note* Instead of clicking on the text "Join the group", you can also
click on the link towards the bottom of the page that reads "join the
mailing list instead". This will subscribe you without the need for a Yahoo
account and is essentially the same as method 3 below although method 3 is
easier.

 

Method 3: Send an e-mail to sabirdnet-subscribe AT yahoogroups.com. Don't write
anything in the subject line or in the body, just send a blank e-mail to the
address. You will shortly receive an e-mail from YahooGroups with a link on
which you can click. Do not click on this link as it will require you to log
in to your Yahoo account which I'm assuming you don't have if you're opting
for method 3. Simply reply to the e-mail. Don't change the subject line,
don't change the message body, simply reply to the e-mail and send it. You
will shortly receive an e-mail from YahooGroups confirming that you are
subscribed to the "sabirdnet" mailing list.

 

Method 4: This isn't really a viable option but I'm including it for the
sake of completeness. The group's moderator (Jenny Norman) can specifically
invite you to the group. The reason I'm saying it is not a viable option is
because she can only send a limited number of invitations per day and the
old SA BirdNet had thousands of subscribers.

 

One last comment, you may have noticed that I made mention in methods 1 and
2 of the sabirdnet “group” while method 3 refers to the sabirdnet “mailing
list”. Being a member of the group means that, apart from being included in
the mailing list, you have some tools available to you through the website
with which you can search older messages and edit your membership, all of
which requires a Yahoo account of course. By just being subscribed to the
sabirdnet mailing list, you can only send and receive e-mails, as with the
old SA BirdNet.

 

I hope this helps to get everyone subscribed again. The length of this
e-mail belies the simplicity of the process but I wanted to leave no bases
uncovered (which I probably have anyway).

 

Regards,

Dewald Swanepoel

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Subject: Garden food for Brown-headed Parrots?
From: Gary Allport <Gary.Allport AT birdlife.org>
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 06:31:26 +0000
Dear All

We have quite a few Brown-headed Parrots in the trees around are garden in 
Maputo and I would like to put out food that might attract them down to feed 
where the children can see them. Does anyone have any advice on what might 
work? I would eb grateful for any advice. 


Many thanks


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Subject: Re: Old vs New sabirdnet
From: Penny de Vries <PDeVries AT mrpricegroup.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 14:44:06 +0200
Think the address should be http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sabirdnet/

I couldn't access it until I added the 's' to group

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[mailto:sabirdnet-bounces AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za] On Behalf Of Jenny Norman 

Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 14:34
To: SABIRDNET AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za
Subject: [SABN] Old vs New sabirdnet

Hi Guys
 
The old (this one) sabirdnet had been giving lots of problems so I made the 
decision to restart it on yahoo groups. Please go to 
http://group.yahoo.com/group/sabirdnet/ and click on the Join this Group button 
if you are not already subscribed (or follow the instructions given by other 
people already). This group will be falling away once everyone has been invited 
or subscribed to the new list. 

 
I cannot guarantee that this one will work (and we might be charged for it in 
the future). 

 
Please do not use this one any more.
 
Jenny

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Subject: Old vs New sabirdnet
From: "Jenny Norman" <norman AT ukzn.ac.za>
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 14:33:47 +0200
Hi Guys
 
The old (this one) sabirdnet had been giving lots of problems so I made the 
decision to restart it on yahoo groups. Please go to 
http://group.yahoo.com/group/sabirdnet/ and click on the Join this Group button 
if you are not already subscribed (or follow the instructions given by other 
people already). This group will be falling away once everyone has been invited 
or subscribed to the new list. 

 
I cannot guarantee that this one will work (and we might be charged for it in 
the future). 

 
Please do not use this one any more.
 
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Subject: FW: Atlasing: Pentad 2640_2525 Delareyville Northwest Province
From: "RihannG" <RihannG AT nda.agric.za>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 13:48:16 +0200
 

 

________________________________

 

Hi all

 

I atlased the 2640_2525 Delareyville pentad again on 21/10/2011. I
mainly birded the area around the pan and adjacent woodland behind the
silos, a large saline pan that basically can't be seen when driving
through the town of Delareyville. I stayed over at Pigmy Lodge just west
of the pan. This is the fullest I have seen this pan after many rain the
past month.  

 

I managed to see 71 species in 2 hours (52 species after 1 hour) and
this time I did not get any ORF's

 

Highlight of this days late afternoon birding include large flocks of
LESSER and GREATER FLAMINGO. This was the largest flocks of Flamingos I
have seen on this pan. As always CHESTNUT-BANDED PLOVERS were present
and I have seen them every time I visit this area. CAPE SHOVELER and
CAPE TEAL were the most common ducks on the pan. Two BLACK-NECKED GREBES
were also seen, the first I have seen on this pan. 

 

Other birds seen include BOKMAKIERIE, CHESTNUT-VENTED TIT-BABBLER,
YELLOW CANARY, DESERT CISTICOLA, COMMON GREENSHANK, RUFF, LITTLE STINT,
WOOD SANDPIPER, AFRICAN QUAILFINCH, SA CLIFF-SWALLOW, ACACIA
PIED-BARBET, PIED AVOCET, SOUTH AFRICAN SHELDUCK, BLACK-WINGED STILT,
SOUTHERN POCHARD, MARCH SANDPIPER, KITTLITZ'S PLOVER, KALAHARI
SCRUB-ROBIN, CRIMSON-BREASTED SHRIKE, BARN OWL and BURCHELL'S COUCAL to
name a few

 

Happy birding  

 

 

Rihann F. Geyser

Cell: 074 8022891

E-mail: RihannG AT daff.gov.za / RihannG AT NDA.AGRIC.ZA

 

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Subject: iSabirdnet iPhone app and Yahoo! Groups
From: Ivor Williams <ivor.williams AT gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 12:44:03 -0500
Greetings,

I recently released iSabirdnet, an iPhone app for use with this list server
(see http://isabirdnet.wordpress.com/ for details), and was waiting for
approval from the list moderator before publicizing it here.

This app relies on the Sabirdnet archive data available from
http://lists.ukzn.ac.za/pipermail/sabirdnet/.  Given that at least 27
Yahoo-based messages have already been posted, and none have appeared on the
sabirdnet archives, I think it's fair to say that this data stream has dried
up, and that iSabirdnet has reached a premature end-of-life.

My apologies if you were one of the users who stumbled upon iSabirdnet, paid
for and downloaded it.  Fortunately, there were only one or two of you!

Cheers, and good birding!

Ivor Williams
ivor.williams AT gmail.com
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Subject: Re: No mail?
From: Joel Avni <jav AT telkomsa.net>
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 18:59:15 +0200
Hi Lynette:

Yes, it works.

Follow Dewald's instructions exactly and you will come to a screen that 
asks for input; note the names, passwords and every other detail it asks 
you -- including the many options you tick or leave unticked -- and you 
are subscribed.

Just remember what options you tick or don't, write them down if you 
have to; follow the screen options you are given, starting at the top 
left and working down to the bottom right. It's simple, it works, and 
anyone who understands basic English can do it.

Messages from the new server are tagged sabirdnet in the subject line of 
your e-mail program, full out all lower case; messages from the old 
server are tagged SABN in the subject line, an upper-case abbreviation.

Yes, you are missing the messages from the new server. The two systems 
seem to be working in parallel for the moment. Look forward to your 
first e-mail from sabirdnet.

Regards,
Joel

On 2011/02/06 08:26 AM, Lynette Rens wrote:
> Dear Allan,
>
> As far as ALL of us are aware, Jenny has migrated the new Birdnet to a Yahoo
> group.  But has anyone tested it?  Has  anyone had success in sending and
> receiving mails via that route?
>
> I have received mails via the SABIRDNET route, some new birding mails, and
> plenty telling me that it does not work.
>
> Please could someone tell me in words of one syllable so that my tiny brain
> can understand, why we cannot all simply use the SABIRDNET address that
> works?
>
> Yours in total frustration
>
> Lynette
>
> Lynette Rens
> 3 Escombe Ave
> Parktown
> Johannesburg 2193
> Ph: (011) 482 2246
> Cell: 082 5611 182
>
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Subject: Re: No mail?
From: Bharat Bhushan <bharatbhushan AT yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 08:49:12 -0800 (PST)

 
From
Dr. Bharat Bhushan
Dean (Academic) and Secretary, YASHADA
Professor, Environmental Planning, & Director, Centre for Environment and 
Development, YASHADA, 


 
I think most invitations may have gone over to spam mail. the birdnet group 
admin would have to keep changing the 'subject line' to get more to move over. 

 
 
 
With best wishes,
 
Bharat Bhushan 
Yashwantrao Chavan Academy of Development Administration (YASHADA) 



From: Adrian Haagner 
To: Theo Wassenaar 
Cc: 'Lesley Frescura' ; SABIRDNET AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za; 
'Lynette Rens'  

Sent: Sunday, February 6, 2011 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [SABN] No mail?

I also missed out on the mails that let on about the shift to 
yahoogroups. Registered this morning and see I've missed quite a bit of 
activity. Best everyone hop over, the news is carrying on!

Regards

Adrian Haagner
Project Manager: Consulting and Operations
Agreenco Environmental Projects



On 2011/02/06 04:29 PM, Theo Wassenaar wrote:
> O my word
>
> Lesley, how did you hear about the move to yahoogroups? When did Jenny tell
> us all of this? All I know is the birdnet e-mails stopped coming for a while
> and suddenly Lynette was frustrating about yahoogroups. How did Dewald know
> about the move to yahoo? How did ANYONE know?? Was I the only one that did
> not know??? Aaarghh, I am being left out again! Just like at pre-primary
> school!!!
>
> And now, another password to remember, omeingottt
>
> With Lynette absolutely in sheer frustration
> Theo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sabirdnet-bounces AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za
> [mailto:sabirdnet-bounces AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za] On Behalf Of Lesley Frescura
> Sent: 06 February 2011 09:36 AM
> To: Lynette Rens
> Cc: SABIRDNET AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za
> Subject: Re: [SABN] No mail?
>
> Dear Lynette,
>
> The new Birdnet on Yahoo groups is working perfectly as far as I am
> concerned, and since I registered for it I have had no trouble accessing it,
> and reading the posts.  Follow Dewald's instructions and there you are!  I
> do know that Jenny said she could only put on 50 people per day, so
> obviously there is a delay in getting on to it.
>
> It is different from previously of course in that you have to go into Yahoo
> groups and give your address and password, and I now have a yahoo email
> address, I'm not a fundi but if you want to retain your present address on
> it, I think you can register it as the default address.
>
> As for the sabirdnet route, it seems that you are able to communicate with
> others via it, but the actual posts which is why we subscribe to the birdnet
> are not on it, and for that you need yahoogroups.
>
> And as for not being able to use the address, I think that Jenny explained
> that with the new firewall at UKZN, she had to change SABirdnet.
>
> Why not try accessing Yahoogroups - just follow the instructions.  If I
> could do it, so can you.
>
> Regards
> Lesley
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sabirdnet-bounces AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za
> [mailto:sabirdnet-bounces AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za]On Behalf Of Lynette Rens
> Sent: 06 February 2011 08:27 AM
> To: Allan Ridley
> Cc: SABIRDNET AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za
> Subject: Re: [SABN] No mail?
>
>
> Dear Allan,
>
> As far as ALL of us are aware, Jenny has migrated the new Birdnet to a Yahoo
> group.  But has anyone tested it?  Has  anyone had success in sending and
> receiving mails via that route?
>
> I have received mails via the SABIRDNET route, some new birding mails, and
> plenty telling me that it does not work.
>
> Please could someone tell me in words of one syllable so that my tiny brain
> can understand, why we cannot all simply use the SABIRDNET address that
> works?
>
> Yours in total frustration
>
> Lynette
>
> Lynette Rens
> 3 Escombe Ave
> Parktown
> Johannesburg 2193
> Ph: (011) 482 2246
> Cell: 082 5611 182
>
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Subject: Re: No mail?
From: "Theo Wassenaar" <awr AT mweb.com.na>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 18:14:23 +0200
Hi Gill
Before we get carried away and this becomes yet another(!) rant thread on
birdnet, here's what I was told by Sue Oertli:

"Jenny was only able to put out the message about the demise of SABN on the
Pretoria net & the Cape Bird net.
This was on 2nd & 3rd Feb, obviously hoping that the word would spread ( as
SABN was out of order & could nor be used to warn subscribers!).
As of today, there are 27 new messages that can be read on the yahoo groups
site."

So looks like the move to Yahoo Groups was "uit nood gebore". 

Theo

-----Original Message-----
From: Gill Jensen [mailto:gilljen AT mweb.co.za] 
Sent: 06 February 2011 05:44 PM
To: Theo Wassenaar; 'Lesley Frescura'; 'Lynette Rens'
Cc: SABIRDNET AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za
Subject: Re: [SABN] No mail?

I quite agree Theo - there has been no notification that I have received 
about the move  - what's going on ??

Where are we supposed to pick up sabirdnet emails - do they not come into 
our Outlook Express automatically as before once we are registered with 
Yahoo Groups ?

Yours in dofness
Gill Jensen

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Theo Wassenaar" 
To: "'Lesley Frescura'" ; "'Lynette Rens'" 

Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [SABN] No mail?


>O my word
>
> Lesley, how did you hear about the move to yahoogroups? When did Jenny 
> tell
> us all of this? All I know is the birdnet e-mails stopped coming for a 
> while
> and suddenly Lynette was frustrating about yahoogroups. How did Dewald 
> know
> about the move to yahoo? How did ANYONE know?? Was I the only one that did
> not know??? Aaarghh, I am being left out again! Just like at pre-primary
> school!!!
>
> And now, another password to remember, omeingottt
>
> With Lynette absolutely in sheer frustration
> Theo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sabirdnet-bounces AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za
> [mailto:sabirdnet-bounces AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za] On Behalf Of Lesley 
> Frescura
> Sent: 06 February 2011 09:36 AM
> To: Lynette Rens
> Cc: SABIRDNET AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za
> Subject: Re: [SABN] No mail?
>
> Dear Lynette,
>
> The new Birdnet on Yahoo groups is working perfectly as far as I am
> concerned, and since I registered for it I have had no trouble accessing 
> it,
> and reading the posts.  Follow Dewald's instructions and there you are!  I
> do know that Jenny said she could only put on 50 people per day, so
> obviously there is a delay in getting on to it.
>
> It is different from previously of course in that you have to go into 
> Yahoo
> groups and give your address and password, and I now have a yahoo email
> address, I'm not a fundi but if you want to retain your present address on
> it, I think you can register it as the default address.
>
> As for the sabirdnet route, it seems that you are able to communicate with
> others via it, but the actual posts which is why we subscribe to the 
> birdnet
> are not on it, and for that you need yahoogroups.
>
> And as for not being able to use the address, I think that Jenny explained
> that with the new firewall at UKZN, she had to change SABirdnet.
>
> Why not try accessing Yahoogroups - just follow the instructions.  If I
> could do it, so can you.
>
> Regards
> Lesley
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sabirdnet-bounces AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za
> [mailto:sabirdnet-bounces AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za]On Behalf Of Lynette Rens
> Sent: 06 February 2011 08:27 AM
> To: Allan Ridley
> Cc: SABIRDNET AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za
> Subject: Re: [SABN] No mail?
>
>
> Dear Allan,
>
> As far as ALL of us are aware, Jenny has migrated the new Birdnet to a 
> Yahoo
> group.  But has anyone tested it?  Has  anyone had success in sending and
> receiving mails via that route?
>
> I have received mails via the SABIRDNET route, some new birding mails, and
> plenty telling me that it does not work.
>
> Please could someone tell me in words of one syllable so that my tiny 
> brain
> can understand, why we cannot all simply use the SABIRDNET address that
> works?
>
> Yours in total frustration
>
> Lynette
>
> Lynette Rens
> 3 Escombe Ave
> Parktown
> Johannesburg 2193
> Ph: (011) 482 2246
> Cell: 082 5611 182
>
> To unsubscribe from the sabirdnet please go to the web page and choose 
> edit
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Subject: Re: No mail?
From: Adrian Haagner <adrian AT agreenco.co.za>
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 18:43:27 +0200
I also missed out on the mails that let on about the shift to 
yahoogroups. Registered this morning and see I've missed quite a bit of 
activity. Best everyone hop over, the news is carrying on!

Regards

Adrian Haagner
Project Manager: Consulting and Operations
Agreenco Environmental Projects



On 2011/02/06 04:29 PM, Theo Wassenaar wrote:
> O my word
>
> Lesley, how did you hear about the move to yahoogroups? When did Jenny tell
> us all of this? All I know is the birdnet e-mails stopped coming for a while
> and suddenly Lynette was frustrating about yahoogroups. How did Dewald know
> about the move to yahoo? How did ANYONE know?? Was I the only one that did
> not know??? Aaarghh, I am being left out again! Just like at pre-primary
> school!!!
>
> And now, another password to remember, omeingottt
>
> With Lynette absolutely in sheer frustration
> Theo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sabirdnet-bounces AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za
> [mailto:sabirdnet-bounces AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za] On Behalf Of Lesley Frescura
> Sent: 06 February 2011 09:36 AM
> To: Lynette Rens
> Cc: SABIRDNET AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za
> Subject: Re: [SABN] No mail?
>
> Dear Lynette,
>
> The new Birdnet on Yahoo groups is working perfectly as far as I am
> concerned, and since I registered for it I have had no trouble accessing it,
> and reading the posts.  Follow Dewald's instructions and there you are!  I
> do know that Jenny said she could only put on 50 people per day, so
> obviously there is a delay in getting on to it.
>
> It is different from previously of course in that you have to go into Yahoo
> groups and give your address and password, and I now have a yahoo email
> address, I'm not a fundi but if you want to retain your present address on
> it, I think you can register it as the default address.
>
> As for the sabirdnet route, it seems that you are able to communicate with
> others via it, but the actual posts which is why we subscribe to the birdnet
> are not on it, and for that you need yahoogroups.
>
> And as for not being able to use the address, I think that Jenny explained
> that with the new firewall at UKZN, she had to change SABirdnet.
>
> Why not try accessing Yahoogroups - just follow the instructions.  If I
> could do it, so can you.
>
> Regards
> Lesley
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sabirdnet-bounces AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za
> [mailto:sabirdnet-bounces AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za]On Behalf Of Lynette Rens
> Sent: 06 February 2011 08:27 AM
> To: Allan Ridley
> Cc: SABIRDNET AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za
> Subject: Re: [SABN] No mail?
>
>
> Dear Allan,
>
> As far as ALL of us are aware, Jenny has migrated the new Birdnet to a Yahoo
> group.  But has anyone tested it?  Has  anyone had success in sending and
> receiving mails via that route?
>
> I have received mails via the SABIRDNET route, some new birding mails, and
> plenty telling me that it does not work.
>
> Please could someone tell me in words of one syllable so that my tiny brain
> can understand, why we cannot all simply use the SABIRDNET address that
> works?
>
> Yours in total frustration
>
> Lynette
>
> Lynette Rens
> 3 Escombe Ave
> Parktown
> Johannesburg 2193
> Ph: (011) 482 2246
> Cell: 082 5611 182
>
> To unsubscribe from the sabirdnet please go to the web page and choose edit
> options at the bottom of the page.
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Subject: Re: No mail?
From: "Lesley Frescura" <galefra AT mweb.co.za>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 18:27:12 +0200
Dear all,

Sue is quite correct - it was an emergency for Jenny, and she had no way of
notifying all the Birdnet subscribers.

I am a subscriber to Pretoria Birds so got early warning, and also read
Dewald's original email there.  As Lynette says, he gave readers two options
to get onto the site.  I have just been there and saw that Lynette had sent
two messages - testing.

So it's now different, but I'm sure we'll all get used to it.

Ciao
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Subject: Re: No mail?
From: "Lynette Rens" <lynetter AT xsinet.co.za>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 17:44:34 +0200
Hullo there

I, as a Johannesburg member of the Natal Bird Club, asked Lesley to ask
Jenny what had happened when I sent a mail to SABirdnet and it didn't arrive
in my inbox and I couldn't get hold of Jenny.  That is how Lesley got
involved.  She is a very helpful lady.

How Dewald got involved I don't know, but his instructions were very helpful
and easy to follow, but didn't tell us about the pitfalls.

Now for the routine:

You follow Dewald's instructions which are:

Simply send an e-mail to the following e-mail address:
sabirdnet-subscribe AT yahoogroups.com

You don't have to give a subject or message body or anything, just send a
blank e-mail to this address. You will then receive an e-mail back with
instructions on how to complete your subscription. It will give you a link
on which you can click or you can simply reply to that e-mail.

You join the group.

WHEN THE POP-UP BOX POPS UP, AND YOU ARE ASKED FOR A SIGNON AND A PASSWORD:
IGNORE IT.

The address nobody told us about for the new SA Birdnet is
sabirdnet AT yahoogroups.com

Mails posted to that address will arrive automatically in your inbox.

A word of warning - I have already had several spam mails inviting me to
read other people's yahoo postings.  I have blocked them from my server via
Outlook Express Message Rules.

I shall happily work with the SABIRDNET address that was working.  I only
registered with the yahoo group because I didn't want to miss any mails that
were posted there.

Vasbyt

regards

Lynette

Lynette Rens
3 Escombe Ave
Parktown
Johannesburg 2193
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Subject: Re: No mail?
From: "Gill Jensen" <gilljen AT mweb.co.za>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 17:43:57 +0200
I quite agree Theo - there has been no notification that I have received 
about the move  - what's going on ??

Where are we supposed to pick up sabirdnet emails - do they not come into 
our Outlook Express automatically as before once we are registered with 
Yahoo Groups ?

Yours in dofness
Gill Jensen

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Theo Wassenaar" 
To: "'Lesley Frescura'" ; "'Lynette Rens'" 

Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [SABN] No mail?


>O my word
>
> Lesley, how did you hear about the move to yahoogroups? When did Jenny 
> tell
> us all of this? All I know is the birdnet e-mails stopped coming for a 
> while
> and suddenly Lynette was frustrating about yahoogroups. How did Dewald 
> know
> about the move to yahoo? How did ANYONE know?? Was I the only one that did
> not know??? Aaarghh, I am being left out again! Just like at pre-primary
> school!!!
>
> And now, another password to remember, omeingottt
>
> With Lynette absolutely in sheer frustration
> Theo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sabirdnet-bounces AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za
> [mailto:sabirdnet-bounces AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za] On Behalf Of Lesley 
> Frescura
> Sent: 06 February 2011 09:36 AM
> To: Lynette Rens
> Cc: SABIRDNET AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za
> Subject: Re: [SABN] No mail?
>
> Dear Lynette,
>
> The new Birdnet on Yahoo groups is working perfectly as far as I am
> concerned, and since I registered for it I have had no trouble accessing 
> it,
> and reading the posts.  Follow Dewald's instructions and there you are!  I
> do know that Jenny said she could only put on 50 people per day, so
> obviously there is a delay in getting on to it.
>
> It is different from previously of course in that you have to go into 
> Yahoo
> groups and give your address and password, and I now have a yahoo email
> address, I'm not a fundi but if you want to retain your present address on
> it, I think you can register it as the default address.
>
> As for the sabirdnet route, it seems that you are able to communicate with
> others via it, but the actual posts which is why we subscribe to the 
> birdnet
> are not on it, and for that you need yahoogroups.
>
> And as for not being able to use the address, I think that Jenny explained
> that with the new firewall at UKZN, she had to change SABirdnet.
>
> Why not try accessing Yahoogroups - just follow the instructions.  If I
> could do it, so can you.
>
> Regards
> Lesley
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sabirdnet-bounces AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za
> [mailto:sabirdnet-bounces AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za]On Behalf Of Lynette Rens
> Sent: 06 February 2011 08:27 AM
> To: Allan Ridley
> Cc: SABIRDNET AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za
> Subject: Re: [SABN] No mail?
>
>
> Dear Allan,
>
> As far as ALL of us are aware, Jenny has migrated the new Birdnet to a 
> Yahoo
> group.  But has anyone tested it?  Has  anyone had success in sending and
> receiving mails via that route?
>
> I have received mails via the SABIRDNET route, some new birding mails, and
> plenty telling me that it does not work.
>
> Please could someone tell me in words of one syllable so that my tiny 
> brain
> can understand, why we cannot all simply use the SABIRDNET address that
> works?
>
> Yours in total frustration
>
> Lynette
>
> Lynette Rens
> 3 Escombe Ave
> Parktown
> Johannesburg 2193
> Ph: (011) 482 2246
> Cell: 082 5611 182
>
> To unsubscribe from the sabirdnet please go to the web page and choose 
> edit
> options at the bottom of the page.
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Subject: Re: No mail?
From: "Peter" <rangerpiet AT gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 16:46:19 +0200
You actually do not have to join Yahoo.

Send a blank message to sabirdnet-subscribe AT yahoogroups.com from the email
you want to use

Click on the link in the return message from Yahoo groups.

Then either register and join the group or simply click on the 'subscribe to
mailing list towards the bottom of the page. This last option does not
require you to join Yahoo, but will enter you to the list as well as let you
post to it. The address for this will be in the next email from Yahoo.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: sabirdnet-bounces AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za
[mailto:sabirdnet-bounces AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za] On Behalf Of Theo Wassenaar
Sent: 06 February 2011 16:30
To: 'Lesley Frescura'; 'Lynette Rens'
Cc: SABIRDNET AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za
Subject: Re: [SABN] No mail?

O my word

Lesley, how did you hear about the move to yahoogroups? When did Jenny tell
us all of this? All I know is the birdnet e-mails stopped coming for a while
and suddenly Lynette was frustrating about yahoogroups. How did Dewald know
about the move to yahoo? How did ANYONE know?? Was I the only one that did
not know??? Aaarghh, I am being left out again! Just like at pre-primary
school!!!

And now, another password to remember, omeingottt

With Lynette absolutely in sheer frustration
Theo

-----Original Message-----
From: sabirdnet-bounces AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za
[mailto:sabirdnet-bounces AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za] On Behalf Of Lesley Frescura
Sent: 06 February 2011 09:36 AM
To: Lynette Rens
Cc: SABIRDNET AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za
Subject: Re: [SABN] No mail?

Dear Lynette,

The new Birdnet on Yahoo groups is working perfectly as far as I am
concerned, and since I registered for it I have had no trouble accessing it,
and reading the posts.  Follow Dewald's instructions and there you are!  I
do know that Jenny said she could only put on 50 people per day, so
obviously there is a delay in getting on to it.

It is different from previously of course in that you have to go into Yahoo
groups and give your address and password, and I now have a yahoo email
address, I'm not a fundi but if you want to retain your present address on
it, I think you can register it as the default address.

As for the sabirdnet route, it seems that you are able to communicate with
others via it, but the actual posts which is why we subscribe to the birdnet
are not on it, and for that you need yahoogroups.

And as for not being able to use the address, I think that Jenny explained
that with the new firewall at UKZN, she had to change SABirdnet.

Why not try accessing Yahoogroups - just follow the instructions.  If I
could do it, so can you.

Regards
Lesley


-----Original Message-----
From: sabirdnet-bounces AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za
[mailto:sabirdnet-bounces AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za]On Behalf Of Lynette Rens
Sent: 06 February 2011 08:27 AM
To: Allan Ridley
Cc: SABIRDNET AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za
Subject: Re: [SABN] No mail?


Dear Allan,

As far as ALL of us are aware, Jenny has migrated the new Birdnet to a Yahoo
group.  But has anyone tested it?  Has  anyone had success in sending and
receiving mails via that route?

I have received mails via the SABIRDNET route, some new birding mails, and
plenty telling me that it does not work.

Please could someone tell me in words of one syllable so that my tiny brain
can understand, why we cannot all simply use the SABIRDNET address that
works?

Yours in total frustration

Lynette

Lynette Rens
3 Escombe Ave
Parktown
Johannesburg 2193
Ph: (011) 482 2246
Cell: 082 5611 182

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Subject: Re: No mail?
From: "Theo Wassenaar" <awr AT mweb.com.na>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 16:29:49 +0200
O my word

Lesley, how did you hear about the move to yahoogroups? When did Jenny tell
us all of this? All I know is the birdnet e-mails stopped coming for a while
and suddenly Lynette was frustrating about yahoogroups. How did Dewald know
about the move to yahoo? How did ANYONE know?? Was I the only one that did
not know??? Aaarghh, I am being left out again! Just like at pre-primary
school!!!

And now, another password to remember, omeingottt

With Lynette absolutely in sheer frustration
Theo

-----Original Message-----
From: sabirdnet-bounces AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za
[mailto:sabirdnet-bounces AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za] On Behalf Of Lesley Frescura
Sent: 06 February 2011 09:36 AM
To: Lynette Rens
Cc: SABIRDNET AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za
Subject: Re: [SABN] No mail?

Dear Lynette,

The new Birdnet on Yahoo groups is working perfectly as far as I am
concerned, and since I registered for it I have had no trouble accessing it,
and reading the posts.  Follow Dewald's instructions and there you are!  I
do know that Jenny said she could only put on 50 people per day, so
obviously there is a delay in getting on to it.

It is different from previously of course in that you have to go into Yahoo
groups and give your address and password, and I now have a yahoo email
address, I'm not a fundi but if you want to retain your present address on
it, I think you can register it as the default address.

As for the sabirdnet route, it seems that you are able to communicate with
others via it, but the actual posts which is why we subscribe to the birdnet
are not on it, and for that you need yahoogroups.

And as for not being able to use the address, I think that Jenny explained
that with the new firewall at UKZN, she had to change SABirdnet.

Why not try accessing Yahoogroups - just follow the instructions.  If I
could do it, so can you.

Regards
Lesley


-----Original Message-----
From: sabirdnet-bounces AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za
[mailto:sabirdnet-bounces AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za]On Behalf Of Lynette Rens
Sent: 06 February 2011 08:27 AM
To: Allan Ridley
Cc: SABIRDNET AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za
Subject: Re: [SABN] No mail?


Dear Allan,

As far as ALL of us are aware, Jenny has migrated the new Birdnet to a Yahoo
group.  But has anyone tested it?  Has  anyone had success in sending and
receiving mails via that route?

I have received mails via the SABIRDNET route, some new birding mails, and
plenty telling me that it does not work.

Please could someone tell me in words of one syllable so that my tiny brain
can understand, why we cannot all simply use the SABIRDNET address that
works?

Yours in total frustration

Lynette

Lynette Rens
3 Escombe Ave
Parktown
Johannesburg 2193
Ph: (011) 482 2246
Cell: 082 5611 182

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Subject: Re: Northern KZN
From: Richard Mckibbin <kingcrownedeagle AT yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 05:39:52 -0800 (PST)
Hi Greg

You will enjoy your trip!!  

Southern banded snake eagle can be quite easily found in Cape Vidal (st Lucia 
wetland park), between 3 - 5km from the campsite on the main road (often on 
telephone poles) and also at the end of 'vlei loop'.  

Green malkoha is found regularly in Vidal too, but best found in a private farm 

alongside Harold Johnson near Tugela River (I can give more details on this if 
you would like to visit, there is also a crowned eagle nest there), or 
Amatikulu 

nature reserve (not sure you will go that far south though), else Vidal is a 
good option.
Broadbill is best found in Mkhuze (in main campsite on the river walk, and in 
fig forest walk), neergards can be found there too, as well as Ndumo (though 
recent news regarding the situation at Ndumo would require some investigation).

Hope that helps, happy to help more if you need.

Richard




________________________________
From: Gregory de Klerk 
To: SABIRDNET AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za
Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 11:32:02 PM
Subject: [SABN] Northern KZN

Hi All, 

Planning a trip through to Northern Natal in March, when I'm on leave. 
Particularly the Muzi Pans, Mkhuze through to Kosi. I'm looking for a few 
lifers 


as I've recorded 351 birds to date and I'm hoping for 550 by year end. Can 
anyone give me good hints on where to stay AND where to find a few specials in 
the line of Green Malkoha, African Broad Bill, Southern Banded Snake Eagle, 
Neergaards Sunbird and Rosy Throated Longclaw or anything else that is special 
(I believe Golden Pipit was seen earlier this year in Pongola?).

I'm a field guide in Limpopo at a five star lodge within Thornybush reserve, so 

get regular chances to bird around the fringes of Kruger. Will update any 
specials we get over the next few months.

Regards
Greg


      
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Subject: Fw: kruger
From: Richard Mckibbin <kingcrownedeagle AT yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 05:26:53 -0800 (PST)
Hi all... 

I sent this 2 weeks ago from Kruger... hope it gets through :)

Rich



----- Forwarded Message ----
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To: Sabirdnet AT lists.ukzn.ac.za
Sent: Sat, January 29, 2011 4:09:57 PM
Subject: kruger


Hi all

If you have ever said "someday I must go birding in Kruger" let me say that NOW 

IS THE TIME!!

I have never seen such thick bush and abundance like this.  It is thrilling!  
Quelea and insects everywhere!
For example, In one drive on a particular road (H4-1), you can literally get 8 
cuckoo species! : Striped, jacobin, african, red-chested, klaas', black, 
diederik, and great spotted!!!   I saw and heard most of these this morning...

I also for my first time in kruger found the Black coucal, on the S29 north 
west 

of Lower Sabie heading to Mlondozi dam, and then shortly after that got an 
African Crake on the road.  (found what looked like could only have 
been Spotted 

necked otter tracks in the puddle on the side of the road!!), buttonquails are 
quite common, as are common quails.  Sightings of pygmy kingfisher have been 
good, as well as giant eagle owls, pearlys, nesting saddle billed storks, the 
glorious sound of the woodland kingfisher (as I type from my verandah) and 
more!  


I watched an amazing scene of literally Hundreds of juvenile river frogs 
crossing the tar road, and it was easy pickings for kites and rollers.  The 
amurs are pretty happy out here.  


among the mix have been some cracking leopard sightings (my favourite :)) 
including a tiny 8 week old cub, and a black rhino...

My new zealand guests were loving it!  Still here for a little while longer...

Happy birding!!

Rich


      
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Subject: Re: No mail?
From: "Lesley Frescura" <galefra AT mweb.co.za>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:36:22 +0200
Dear Lynette,

The new Birdnet on Yahoo groups is working perfectly as far as I am
concerned, and since I registered for it I have had no trouble accessing it,
and reading the posts.  Follow Dewald's instructions and there you are!  I
do know that Jenny said she could only put on 50 people per day, so
obviously there is a delay in getting on to it.

It is different from previously of course in that you have to go into Yahoo
groups and give your address and password, and I now have a yahoo email
address, I'm not a fundi but if you want to retain your present address on
it, I think you can register it as the default address.

As for the sabirdnet route, it seems that you are able to communicate with
others via it, but the actual posts which is why we subscribe to the birdnet
are not on it, and for that you need yahoogroups.

And as for not being able to use the address, I think that Jenny explained
that with the new firewall at UKZN, she had to change SABirdnet.

Why not try accessing Yahoogroups - just follow the instructions.  If I
could do it, so can you.

Regards
Lesley


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:sabirdnet-bounces AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za]On Behalf Of Lynette Rens
Sent: 06 February 2011 08:27 AM
To: Allan Ridley
Cc: SABIRDNET AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za
Subject: Re: [SABN] No mail?


Dear Allan,

As far as ALL of us are aware, Jenny has migrated the new Birdnet to a Yahoo
group.  But has anyone tested it?  Has  anyone had success in sending and
receiving mails via that route?

I have received mails via the SABIRDNET route, some new birding mails, and
plenty telling me that it does not work.

Please could someone tell me in words of one syllable so that my tiny brain
can understand, why we cannot all simply use the SABIRDNET address that
works?

Yours in total frustration

Lynette

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Subject: P.S.
From: "Lynette Rens" <lynetter AT xsinet.co.za>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:05:09 +0200
The only reason I am trying to sign up with theYahoo group is that if I am 
not signed up, I might miss something.

Otherwise it is the above address for me.

regards

Lynette

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Subject: Re: No mail?
From: "Lynette Rens" <lynetter AT xsinet.co.za>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 08:26:35 +0200
Dear Allan,

As far as ALL of us are aware, Jenny has migrated the new Birdnet to a Yahoo 
group.  But has anyone tested it?  Has  anyone had success in sending and 
receiving mails via that route?

I have received mails via the SABIRDNET route, some new birding mails, and
plenty telling me that it does not work.

Please could someone tell me in words of one syllable so that my tiny brain
can understand, why we cannot all simply use the SABIRDNET address that
works?

Yours in total frustration

Lynette

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Parktown
Johannesburg 2193
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Subject: At least this address works!
From: "Lynette Rens" <lynetter AT xsinet.co.za>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 07:43:22 +0200
I had another go this morning to sign in to the yahoo group, and the 
confirming address can't be found.

1)  How do I get in there now?

2)  Once I am in there, what do I enter as my own address?  Do I put the 
whole lynetter AT xsinet.co.za or only part of it, or do I modify it for a 
yahoo.com?

3)  What do I do about the password?  Dewald said no password would be 
required.

4)  Once I am signed on, what address do I use to send mails?

5)  How will messages be delivered to my inbox?

6)  Why can I not just use the above SABIRDNET address which works like a 
charm?

Yours, in total confusion

Lynette

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Subject: Re: No mail?
From: Allan Ridley <allan.ridley AT gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 06:39:49 +0200
Hi all who may be on the old Birdnet

As far as I'm aware Jenny has migrated the birdnet to a new yahoo group.
I've copied below some text from Dewald Swanepoel explaining how to easily
subscribe to the new birdnet.

"There is a very simple alternative way to
subscribe to the new SABN. Simply send an e-mail to the following e-mail
address:
sabirdnet-subscribe AT yahoogroups.com

You don't have to give a subject or message body or anything, just send a
blank e-mail to this address. You will then receive an e-mail back with
instructions on how to complete your subscription. It will give you a link
on which you can click or you can simply reply to that e-mail.

Hope this makes it easier.

Regards,
Déwald Swanepoel"


The Yahoo Groups birdnet is already up and running. It's easy to subscribe
to, and will make Jenny's administration easier in the long-run, as well as
the birdnet more reliable.
Cheers

Allan

On 5 February 2011 21:57, Lynette Rens  wrote:

> Hullo there
>
> What I am saying is that I feel there is no need for me to battle with a
> yahoo group, when the above SABirdnet address works perfectly well, which
> is
> shown by the fact that you received my mail.
>
> You should receive this mail twice - once to you personally, and once
> through the Birdnet address I have used.
>
> Bye now
>
> regards
>
> Lynette Rens
> 3 Escombe Ave
> Parktown
> Johannesburg 2193
> Ph: (011) 482 2246
> Cell: 082 5611 182
>
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Subject: Bee-eaters
From: "BARRY PORTER" <hella AT mweb.co.za>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 04:46:03 +0200
There are not many records of the occurrence of European Bee-eaters in
southern KZN. They seem to contrive to avoid this part of the land. But they
do appear to fly over S. KZN occasionally.

I remember a number of years ago whilst chatting to Robin Guy at Hella
Hella, we heard a distinctive call, and on looking up, we could see a flock
of about 30 bee-eaters cruising at high altitude. Although the morphological
details were not that easy to see with the naked eye, they were definitely
distinguishable as bee-eaters, and as they vocalised incessantly, we
concluded that we had seen a flock of European Bee-eaters.

At the beginning of November 2010, Eric Kok noticed a flock of 24
bee-eaters flying high over Umtentweni, KZN South Coast. Again they were
very vocal, and the sound emanating from them matched that of the European
Bee-eater.

I would like to know if other birders have had similar experiences in S.
KZN. Is this a common phenomenon that goes unnoticed because the birds fly
very high, or is it just a rare event?

Barry Porter.
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Subject: Northern KZN
From: Gregory de Klerk <deklegm AT yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 13:32:02 -0800 (PST)
Hi All, 

Planning a trip through to Northern Natal in March, when I'm on leave. 
Particularly the Muzi Pans, Mkhuze through to Kosi. I'm looking for a few 
lifers 

as I've recorded 351 birds to date and I'm hoping for 550 by year end. Can 
anyone give me good hints on where to stay AND where to find a few specials in 
the line of Green Malkoha, African Broad Bill, Southern Banded Snake Eagle, 
Neergaards Sunbird and Rosy Throated Longclaw or anything else that is special 
(I believe Golden Pipit was seen earlier this year in Pongola?).

I'm a field guide in Limpopo at a five star lodge within Thornybush reserve, so 

get regular chances to bird around the fringes of Kruger. Will update any 
specials we get over the next few months.

Regards
Greg


      
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Subject: Re: No mail?
From: "Lynette Rens" <lynetter AT xsinet.co.za>
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 21:57:50 +0200
Hullo there

What I am saying is that I feel there is no need for me to battle with a
yahoo group, when the above SABirdnet address works perfectly well, which is 
shown by the fact that you received my mail.

You should receive this mail twice - once to you personally, and once
through the Birdnet address I have used.

Bye now

regards

Lynette Rens
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Subject: Re: I got my message from this address
From: "Lynette Rens" <lynetter AT xsinet.co.za>
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 21:58:16 +0200
Well, I am having success with sending mails to 
SABIRDNET AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za, and it must be working because you received 
it, and so have other subscribers.

You should get this reply twice - once to you personally, and once to my 
newly found Birdnet address.

regards

Lynette

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Subject: Re: I got my message from this address
From: "Lynette Rens" <lynetter AT xsinet.co.za>
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 21:26:53 +0200
Ladies and Gentlemen,

I sent my message to SABIRDNET AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za and I have received it in
my inbox, as well as a response from another subscriber who included my mail 
below it.

I have tried to sign up through the yahoo group, but not being computer
literate, wasn't able to complete the opening of an account.

Believe me my friends, I'd rather use the above address because it does seem 
to get the mail through to subscribers' inboxes.

Just my simple mind trying to find an easy way to do things.

I hope I do get messages from those who have managed to sign on to a Yahoo 
group because I shan't be going into the Internet to search for them, and 
I'd hate to miss anything.

regards

Lynette

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Subject: I got my message from this address
From: "Lynette Rens" <lynetter AT xsinet.co.za>
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 20:25:30 +0200
Hullo

I am not what one would call computer literate.

My mail to SABirdnet AT lists went missing, but when I sent one to 
SABIRDNET AT dbnmail2 I received it.  I have had responses from other 
subscribers who must have received it on this address.

Why would I also have to go on to a yahoo group?

My little mind is boggling

Bye

Lynette

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Subject: Fw: Most sought-after African and world birds?
From: "Lynette Rens" <lynetter AT xsinet.co.za>
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 18:39:23 +0200
The below mail got tangled in the wiring, so I am trying a different address 
for SA Birdnet.  Perhaps this will work.

Lynette Rens
3 Escombe Ave
Parktown
Johannesburg 2193
Ph: (011) 482 2246
Cell: 082 5611 182

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lynette Rens" 
To: "Birding Ecotours" ; "SAbirdnet" 

Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [SABN] Most sought-after African and world birds?


> Good day to you all.
>
> Since Chris Lotz first posted this I haven't seen any responses at all 
> from
> Birdnetters, unless they were all private and direct to him.
>
> I responded off the top of my head about my World birds, and I am now 
> going
> to respond off the top of my head about my South African birds:
>
> Black Crake
> Crowned Crane
> Little Bee Eater
> Southern Boubou
> Waxbills of any description, including Swee and Grey
> Bald Ibis
> Black Egret
> Paradise Fly Catcher
> Breeding male Wattled Starling
> and
> and
> and
>
> Oh but we are spoilt for choice.
>
> Lynette Rens
> 3 Escombe Ave
> Parktown
> Johannesburg 2193
> Ph: (011) 482 2246
> Cell: 082 5611 182
> 

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Subject: Re: No mail?
From: "Lynette Rens" <lynetter AT xsinet.co.za>
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 18:22:17 +0200
Hullo there

Well, I received a message from you and it had to be the Birdnet one.
Please let me know whether you receive my reply, and which address it came
in on.

The problem has been that UKZN installed a new firewall, and Jenny has had
to change SABirdnet and I heard something about going on to Yahoo groups. I
have no idea how that works, but Jenny would let us all know when things are
up and running again.

regards

Lynette

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Subject: Re: No mail?
From: "Jon Cilliers" <jon AT stedone.co.za>
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 15:23:21 +0000
It has been quiet - but I would rather have it quiet until a relevant topic or 
question comes up than have 50 000 mails about trivial nonsense! 


Jon
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Subject: [SABN] No mail?
Sent: Feb 5, 2011 16:50

Hi, my ADSL was not working for some days, since being fixed I recieved two 
new SABN messages ,then none! Is there a problem with the system that I missed 
hearing about when off-line?

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Subject: No mail?
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Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:50:39 +0200
Hi, my ADSL was not working for some days, since being fixed I recieved two 
new SABN messages ,then none! Is there a problem with the system that I missed 
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Subject: Trip Report BIRDING TOUR 27th November to 11th DECEMBER 2010
From: Maans Booysen <maans AT weto.co.za>
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 21:16:36 +0200
WETO BIRDING TOURS
 
BIRDING TOUR 27th November to 11th DECEMBER 2010 
TO CENTRAL SOUTHERN MOZAMBIQUE AND EASTERN HIGHLANDS OF ZIMBABWE
 
TRIP REPORT
TOUR LEADER: Maans Booysen
 
 
We are back after a satisfactory birding tour to the Eastern Highlands of 
Zimbabwe and South Central Mozambique. We travelled in three vehicles, and in 
our group of 11 were: In First vehicle Rodney & Anneke Vincent. In the second 
vehicle Brian & Wilma Moreby and thrid vehicle Debbie van Zyl, Betsie Lategan, 
Thailia Barnes, Elmien Adendorf, Tana Coetzer, my son Gerhard and myself. 

 
Day 1
 
After crossing into Zimbabwe at Beit Bridge, we travelled to Masvingo, birding 
en route. We saw Boulder Chat en route to the Inn of Great Zimbabwe where we 
spent the night. 

 
Day 2
 
Early morning departure for the Vumba and Eastern Highlands of Zimbabwe. We had 
Miombo specials like: Miombo Double-collared Sunbird, MiomboTit, Miombo 
Rockthrush around Lake Kyle. 

To name a few seen at the Vumba were: Augur Buzzard, Variable Sunbird, 
Yellow-bellied Waxbill, Red-faced Crimsonwing, Yellow-streaked- and 
Stripe-cheeked Greenbul, Swynnerton’s- and White-starred Robin, White-tailed 
Crested Flycatcher, Chirinda Apalis, Robert’s Warbler, , Orange Ground Thrush, 
Buff-spotted Flufftail and Eastern Bronze-naped Pigeons. We spent the night at 
the White Horse Inn. 

 
Day 3
 
Early morning birding at the Vumba and Eastern Highlands area produce 
Red-throated Twinspot, Silwery-cheeked Hornbill, Barratt’s -, Broad-tailed 
Warbler, Singing Cisticola, Tree Pipit, Cabanis’s Bunting and Eastern 
Saw-wings. Overnight at the White Horse Inn. 

 
Day 4
 
We departed early for Beira. En route we saw various Lanner Falcons, Eastern 
Nicator, as well as Black- and Yellow-billed Kites. Overnight at Ninho Da 
Farol. 

 
Day 5
 
Birding at Rio Savanne produced: Bat Hawk, African Marsh Harrier, Saddle-billed 
Stork, Black-headed Apalis, Tiny Greenbul, Mangrove Kingfisher, Blue-spotted 
Wood Dove, hundreds of Open-billed Storks, Rufous-bellied Heron, Green Malkoa, 
Locust- & Red-headed Quelea, various Egrets and Herons in the flooded areas. 
Overnight at Ninho Da Farol in Beira. 

 
Day 6
 
We departed for Catapu where we spent three nights at Mpingwe Camp. The 
surrounding area produced: African Broadbill, Golden Weaver, Southern Banded 
Snake Eagle, Grey-headed Parrot, Böhm’s Spinetail. 

 
Day 6
 
At Coutada 12 we saw Miombo Blue-eared Starlings, Cabanis’s Bunting, Mosque 
Swallow, Emerald Cuckoo, Chestnut-fronted Helmet-Shrike, Blue-mantle Crested-, 
Livingstone’s Flycatcher, Plain-backed Sunbird Woodward’s Batis and Booted 
Eagle, to name a few. 

 
Day 8
 
We travelled to Caia where we saw the Copper Sunbird, Swamp Boubou, 
Brown-throated- & Yellow Weaver, as well as Lesser Jacana. 

 
Day 9
 
An early departure for the Gorongosa area where we saw the Pale Batis, 
Red-winged Warbler, European-, African Hobby, Cuckoo Hawk, Overnight at 
Environtrade Camp. 

 
Day 10
 
At Gorongosa Mountain: Short-winged & Singing Cisticola, Black-winged Bishop, 
Moustached Warbler, Broad-tailed Warbler, Pallid Honeyguide, Variable Sunbird, 
Honey Buzzard African Erasian & Green-headed Oriole. Overnight at Environtrade 
Camp. 

 
Day 11
 
Mashona Hyliota, Red-faced Crombeck, Speckle-throated- & Green-backed 
Woodpecker, Collared Palm Thrush & Red-necked Francolin. Overnight at 
Environtrade Camp. 

 
Day 12
 
We left and travelled to Harare. Broad-billed Roller, and several other species 
were seen en route. It rained quite a lot. We spent the night at the Flufftail 
& Crake Cottages. 

 
Day 13
 
Spotted Tree Creeper, Whyte’s Barbet, Eurasian-, African Marsh Harrier, Cuckoo 
Finch, Rosy –Throated Longclaw, Red Chested Flufftail, Black Coucal, 
Yellow-mantled Widowbird & Broad-tailed Warbler in the vlei area, then back to 
Harare. Overnight at the Flufftail & Crake Cottages 

 
Day 14 
 
An early departure for the Lion & Elephant Inn where we overnight.
 
Day 15
 
Homeward bound.
 
OUR NEXT MOZAMBIQUE TOUR WILL BE TO SOUTHERN MOZAMBIQUE, XAI-XAI, PANDA & PONTO 
DA BARRA. IT IS SCHEDULED FOR 16th - 22nd FEBRUARY 2011 

 
For more information, contact:
MAANS BOOYSEN
Tel:  +27(0)729166103
 
Or visit:                                          www.weto.co.za
 
 
 
  		 	   		  
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Subject: Re: Trip Report 12th to 21st January 2011
From: Maans Booysen <maans AT weto.co.za>
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 21:12:50 +0200
Hi All
 
 
WETO BIRDING TOURS
 
BIRDING TOUR 12th to 21st January 2011 
TO Cape and  Cruise MSC Melody 
 
TRIP REPORT
TOUR LEADER: Maans Booysen
 
 
We are back after a satisfactory birding tour to the Eastern Cape, Western Cape 
then MSC Melody with Ian Sinclair to Walvisbay and back to Capetown. Then back 
to Pretoria via Brandvlei. We travelled in one vehicle, and our group of 4 
were: Andre Stapelberg, Lesley Ryan, Ria Mynhardt and myself. 

 
Day 1
 
After crossing into Northern Cape we took a detour and travelled to a 
overflowing Gariep dam, birding en route. We saw lots of Lesser Kestrells 
flying to roost at Colesberg where we overnight. 

 
Day 2
 
Early morning departure for Cape Receive. Blue Khorhaan en route. We had 
Roseate-, Swift-, Sandwich-, Common Terns & Black Oystercatchers at the roost 
at Cape Receive. 

 
Day 3
 
We departed early for Knysna. En route we had Denham’s Bustard. Black- and 
Yellow-billed Kites. At Ebb & Flow where we overnight, we saw Knysna Turaco, 
Karoo Prinia, Alpine Swift & Sombre Bulbul. 

 
Day 4
 
We departed early for Capetown. Near Caledon we had Agulhas Longbill Lark, 
Largebill Lark & Blue Cranes with young. 

Birding at Boulders we saw African Penguin and at Rooi-els ; Cape Rockjumper, 
Cape Rockthrush, Cape Sugarbird, Orange Breasted Sunbird. 

 
Day 5
 
We departed for Robin Island where we spent two hours with the local parks & 
marine biologist . We had Chukar Partridge, Peafowl, Black Oystercatchers 
nesting and with young, Common Starlings, Swift Tern Roost, Cape Gull Breading 
Colony, African Penguin, Cape-, Crowned-, Bank Cormorant, Rock Kestrell and 
Common Buzzard. Later We Visit Tokaai were we had Chaffinch & Cape Siskin.We 
overnight at Kommetjie and saw Chaffinch in Camp. 

 
 
 
 
Day 6-10
 
We travelled to Cape point where we saw the Hottentot Buttonquail, Cape Siskin, 
Cape Sugarbird , Orange-breasted Sunbird. 

 
 Then we were off to Capetown harbour where we embark on the MSC Melody for a 
Birding Cruise led by Ian Sinclair. The next four days pass to quick. We had 
great views of birds in good numbers and information given generously by our 
host Ian. We shared a great time on deck with lots of fun and laughter. 

 
Day 11
 
Mid morning departure for Clanwiliam. Birding en route at Westcoast National 
Park where we have seen Southern Black Korhaan, Black Harrier, Cape Penduline 
Tit, Cape Bulbul, Greyback Cisticola & Cape Spurfowl. Overnight at Clanwilliam. 

 
 
 
Day 12 
 
We departed early for Van Wyksvlei. At Clanwilliam we had Protea Seedeater. 
Then at Botterkloof Cinnamon-breasted Warbler, Layards Titbabler, Then near 
Brandvlei Black-eared -, Grey-backed Sparrowlark, Tracktrack Chat, Karoo Chat, 
Karoo-, Red-, Spikeheeled lark, Karoo Longbill Lark, Karoo Korhaan,Namaqua 
Sandgrouse& Southern Shellduck. Had heavy rain (30mm) a very wet Karoo.We 
overnight at Van Wyksvlei 

 
Day 13 
 
We departed early for Pretoria; very wet dirt roads. Near Kimberley Western 
Redfooted Kestrell with Lesser kestrell & Amur Falcon. 

 
 
OUR NEXT MOZAMBIQUE TOUR WILL BE TO SOUTHERN MOZAMBIQUE, XAI-XAI, PANDA & PONTO 
DA BARRA. IT IS SCHEDULED FOR 7 days 16th FEBRUARY 2011 

 
For more information, contact:
MAANS BOOYSEN
Tel:  +27(0)729166103
 
Or visit:                                          www.weto.co.za
 
 
 
  		 	   		  
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Subject: RFI Velddrift
From: Francois-Pierre Joubert <fpjcustard AT hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:27:36 +0000
Hi the net

I'm planning a trip up to the Berg river estuary next Saturday. Hoping in 
particular to connect with Chestnut-banded Plover and Black-necked Grebe. But 
I'm wondering if anybody has been there recently and maybe tell me what other 
goodies are lurking around. Also wondering what the access to the salt pans is 
like. Must I call ahead or can I just rock up? 


Thanks in advance. I always find your information most helpful!

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Subject: Volunteers wanted for a 20-day pelagic trip!
From: Ross Wanless <rosswanless AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:53:10 +0200
Hi all
The RV Algoa will be sailing on Feb 28 for 20 days, conducting
oceanographic observations over the Agulhas Bank, and it will have
space for 1-2 bird observers. We don't have funds to pay any salary
but accommodation and food would be provided for a volunteer. Please
spread the word and contact me directly if you are interested and
available. An ability to reliably identify seabirds is a must.

Cheers
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Subject: Re: The Common Myna
From: Craig <the AT sylum.co.za>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:49:30 +0200
I guess you could say the Common Myna has an apartheid legacy.
Thus, if you want to get rid of them, tell the this to the powers that be.
The risk is though, that they may be elevated to 'hero' status.

On 2011/01/25 03:45 PM, Bronwyn Howard (Editor - The Birder Online) wrote:
> The Common Myna is not an indigenous bird at all - in fact, it came to South
> Africa from India (it used to be called the Indian Mynah) as a cage bird
> when Indian immigrants were brought out here to work in the sugar cane
> fields in KZN.
>

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Subject: Re: The Common Myna
From: "Bryan Groom" <bmgroom AT telkomsa.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:27:19 +0200
Hi All,
During my visit to Australia Sept/Oct last year, one of my hosts filled me 
in on the Myna eradication programme that a number of east Australian 
communities are involved in. About 30 country town communities are actively 
involved in trapping and euthanaising of this alien pest species, with a 
fair measure of success, particularly in areas that have recently been 
invaded, and control measures instituted before it becomes a big problem.

The Canberra Indian Myna Action Group has a very informative web site for 
those interested.

http://www.indianmynaaction.org.au/

Anyone one out there in a position to take up the cudgels for something 
similar in this country?

Regards,
Bryan


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nigel Anderson" 
To: "Dawie Rotteveel" 
Cc: "SaBirdnet" ; "Roger Fieldwick" 

Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [SABN] The Common Myna


> An 'interesting' observation is that when I was stationed at Oribi
> Gorge N/R on the KZN south coast we very seldom saw Myna's at the
> Hutted Camp yet not 200m away at the Co-op they were very common. I
> strongly believe the reason for this was the predominantly indigenous
> vegetation at the Hutted Camp as opposed to the mainly alien
> vegetation at the co-op? Perhaps planting more indigenous gardens will
> curb the influx of Myna's?
>
> Regards
> Nigel
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Dawie Rotteveel
>  wrote:
>> That the Common Myna is a very handsome bird, I am not going to argue 
>> about.
>> However, I would exchange the words "established itself strongly" with
>> "infested".
>>
>> This bird has monopolized many (probably most) gardens I know. Gardens, 
>> such
>> as our own, used to have regular Red Bishop, Cape Robin-Chat and Green
>> Wood-Hoopoe, just to name those that immediately come to mind. Since we 
>> have
>> had a family (or extended family) of Myna moving in under our roof, even 
>> the
>> Laughing Doves have become fewer. The previously mentioned species are 
>> now
>> erratic visitors.
>>
>> We all know how hardy and down-right stubborn Dark-capped Bulbuls can be,
>> but they also are not visiting as frequently as they used to. Now you 
>> might
>> say that this is purely by chance, but I have, on more than one occasion,
>> seen Myna chasing other birds from the bird-bath and from the bird 
>> feeder.
>> >From the bird-bath they drink water, but I have never seen them feeding 
>> >at
>> the feeder - therefore I can only arrive at the conclusion that they are
>> "protecting their territory" or simply being selfish.
>>
>> In China I also noticed that in the parks where there are many Myna
>> (Crested) the other birds aren't easily found, whereas where the Myna 
>> aren't
>> around, other species seem much more at ease.
>>
>> If I am of a false opinion, I would appreciate it if others will my 
>> views.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dawie
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Roger Fieldwick
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The Common Myna is probably the most unpopular bird in South Africa and 
>>> I
>>> have never understood why. Here we have a handsome bird with black and 
>>> brown
>>> plumage and white wing patches, bright yellow face, bill, legs and feet. 
>>> It
>>> has a raucous, unmusical but cheerful song, it struts or bounds along 
>>> and is
>>> a bird with character. In the past 20 years it has established itself
>>> strongly in Gauteng and is now expanding its range rapidly in all
>>> directions. It is commensal with man, but at the same time very wary. I 
>>> view
>>> it as a welcome addition to the urban avifauna. I might add that I am
>>> impatiently awaiting the arrival of the Common Starling to Pretoria.
>>>
>>> I rest my case for the defence and look forward to the response from the
>>> prosecution.
>>>
>>> Roger Fieldwick
>>>
>>> Pretoria
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Subject: Re: The Common Myna
From: "Errol de Beer" <erroldb AT mweb.co.za>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:53:19 +0200
Yeah, nice and colourful and not too small, makes for good target 
practice............................

Just kidding....

Errol de Beer

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger Fieldwick" 
To: "SaBirdnet" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 11:23 AM
Subject: [SABN] The Common Myna


> The Common Myna is probably the most unpopular bird in South Africa and I 
> have never understood why. Here we have a handsome bird with black and 
> brown plumage and white wing patches, bright yellow face, bill, legs and 
> feet. It has a raucous, unmusical but cheerful song, it struts or bounds 
> along and is a bird with character. In the past 20 years it has 
> established itself strongly in Gauteng and is now expanding its range 
> rapidly in all directions. It is commensal with man, but at the same time 
> very wary. I view it as a welcome addition to the urban avifauna. I might 
> add that I am impatiently awaiting the arrival of the Common Starling to 
> Pretoria.
>
> I rest my case for the defence and look forward to the response from the 
> prosecution.
>
> Roger Fieldwick
>
> Pretoria
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Subject: Re: The Common Myna
From: Nigel Anderson <nigelanderson28 AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:50:07 +0200
An 'interesting' observation is that when I was stationed at Oribi
Gorge N/R on the KZN south coast we very seldom saw Myna's at the
Hutted Camp yet not 200m away at the Co-op they were very common. I
strongly believe the reason for this was the predominantly indigenous
vegetation at the Hutted Camp as opposed to the mainly alien
vegetation at the co-op? Perhaps planting more indigenous gardens will
curb the influx of Myna's?

Regards
Nigel

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Dawie Rotteveel
 wrote:
> That the Common Myna is a very handsome bird, I am not going to argue about.
> However, I would exchange the words "established itself strongly" with
> "infested".
>
> This bird has monopolized many (probably most) gardens I know. Gardens, such
> as our own, used to have regular Red Bishop, Cape Robin-Chat and Green
> Wood-Hoopoe, just to name those that immediately come to mind. Since we have
> had a family (or extended family) of Myna moving in under our roof, even the
> Laughing Doves have become fewer. The previously mentioned species are now
> erratic visitors.
>
> We all know how hardy and down-right stubborn Dark-capped Bulbuls can be,
> but they also are not visiting as frequently as they used to. Now you might
> say that this is purely by chance, but I have, on more than one occasion,
> seen Myna chasing other birds from the bird-bath and from the bird feeder.
> >From the bird-bath they drink water, but I have never seen them feeding at
> the feeder - therefore I can only arrive at the conclusion that they are
> "protecting their territory" or simply being selfish.
>
> In China I also noticed that in the parks where there are many Myna
> (Crested) the other birds aren't easily found, whereas where the Myna aren't
> around, other species seem much more at ease.
>
> If I am of a false opinion, I would appreciate it if others will my views.
>
> Regards,
> Dawie
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Roger Fieldwick
> wrote:
>
>> The Common Myna is probably the most unpopular bird in South Africa and I
>> have never understood why. Here we have a handsome bird with black and brown
>> plumage and white wing patches, bright yellow face, bill, legs and feet. It
>> has a raucous, unmusical but cheerful song, it struts or bounds along and is
>> a bird with character. In the past 20 years it has established itself
>> strongly in Gauteng and is now expanding its range rapidly in all
>> directions. It is commensal with man, but at the same time very wary. I view
>> it as a welcome addition to the urban avifauna. I might add that I am
>> impatiently awaiting the arrival of the Common Starling to Pretoria.
>>
>> I rest my case for the defence and look forward to the response from the
>> prosecution.
>>
>> Roger Fieldwick
>>
>> Pretoria
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Subject: Re: The Common Myna
From: "Bronwyn Howard (Editor - The Birder Online)" <0110252021 AT neomail.co.za>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:45:48 +0200
The Common Myna is not an indigenous bird at all - in fact, it came to South 
Africa from India (it used to be called the Indian Mynah) as a cage bird 
when Indian immigrants were brought out here to work in the sugar cane 
fields in KZN.  Apparently some of them escaped and they first colonized KZN 
and then started to move to other areas and now I think they are pretty much 
everywhere.  My father, who grew up in Durban, always maintained that Mynah 
Birds were better mimics and potentially better talkers than African Greys, 
so go figure!  The problem is that the bird is very aggressive and will dive 
bomb domestic dogs and cats as well as other birds.  It also chases away 
other birds - I have seen it doing so - especially when there is food 
around.   Interestingly enough, it does not seem to hover around our current 
bird feeder but I think that is because the feeder is usually chock a block 
with Red Bishops, Southern Masked Weavers, sparrows of various kinds and 
Grey Go-way Birds, along with various others (safety in numbers and all 
that).  The mynahs do seem to avoid larger birds such as Spotted Thick-knees 
and Wattled and Crowned Lapwings.

There is a conference and meeting happening in Cape Town to discuss how to 
deal with alien species such as the House Crow - which is a big problem in 
Cape Town, I believe, also an "illegal immigrant" and very aggressive, as 
well as the Mallard Duck, which is interbreeding with a lot of our local 
ducks and compromising the genetic diversity and biodiversity of our ducks. 
I wonder if they are going to recommend measures for "mynah birds" as well? 
Someone is reporting back to me on these meetings as I cannot attend and we 
hope to run a feature in our e-zine soon, which should be interesting.

Bronwyn Howard
Editor - The Birder
Suite No. 123, Private Bag X2, Dainfern, 2055, South Africa
Tel: 011 025 2021
Cell: 084 246 9223
E-mail: editor AT thebirderonline.com
Web site: www.thebirderonline.com


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From: "Roger Fieldwick" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 11:23 AM
To: "SaBirdnet" 
Subject: [SABN] The Common Myna

> The Common Myna is probably the most unpopular bird in South Africa and I 
> have never understood why. Here we have a handsome bird with black and 
> brown plumage and white wing patches, bright yellow face, bill, legs and 
> feet. It has a raucous, unmusical but cheerful song, it struts or bounds 
> along and is a bird with character. In the past 20 years it has 
> established itself strongly in Gauteng and is now expanding its range 
> rapidly in all directions. It is commensal with man, but at the same time 
> very wary. I view it as a welcome addition to the urban avifauna. I might 
> add that I am impatiently awaiting the arrival of the Common Starling to 
> Pretoria.
>
> I rest my case for the defence and look forward to the response from the 
> prosecution.
>
> Roger Fieldwick
>
> Pretoria
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Subject: Re: The Common Myna
From: Ronald Orenstein <ron.orenstein AT rogers.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 05:41:40 -0800 (PST)
Interestingly enough, in Malaysia the Javan Myna, a more recent introduction 
than the Common, appears to be displacing it, at least in urban areas.  In 
Kuching, Sarawak, where I spend a fair bit of time, the Javan occupies the town 

centre where Commons are now rarely seen, while Commons are prevalent in the 
suburbs and surrounding countryside.

 Ronald Orenstein
1825 Shady Creek Court
Mississauga, ON L5L 3W2
Canada




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From: Dawie Rotteveel 
To: Roger Fieldwick 
Cc: SaBirdnet 
Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 7:20:29 AM
Subject: Re: [SABN] The Common Myna

That the Common Myna is a very handsome bird, I am not going to argue about.
However, I would exchange the words "established itself strongly" with
"infested".

This bird has monopolized many (probably most) gardens I know. Gardens, such
as our own, used to have regular Red Bishop, Cape Robin-Chat and Green
Wood-Hoopoe, just to name those that immediately come to mind. Since we have
had a family (or extended family) of Myna moving in under our roof, even the
Laughing Doves have become fewer. The previously mentioned species are now
erratic visitors.

We all know how hardy and down-right stubborn Dark-capped Bulbuls can be,
but they also are not visiting as frequently as they used to. Now you might
say that this is purely by chance, but I have, on more than one occasion,
seen Myna chasing other birds from the bird-bath and from the bird feeder.
>From the bird-bath they drink water, but I have never seen them feeding at
the feeder - therefore I can only arrive at the conclusion that they are
"protecting their territory" or simply being selfish.

In China I also noticed that in the parks where there are many Myna
(Crested) the other birds aren't easily found, whereas where the Myna aren't
around, other species seem much more at ease.

If I am of a false opinion, I would appreciate it if others will my views.

Regards,
Dawie

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Roger Fieldwick
wrote:

> The Common Myna is probably the most unpopular bird in South Africa and I
> have never understood why. Here we have a handsome bird with black and brown
> plumage and white wing patches, bright yellow face, bill, legs and feet. It
> has a raucous, unmusical but cheerful song, it struts or bounds along and is
> a bird with character. In the past 20 years it has established itself
> strongly in Gauteng and is now expanding its range rapidly in all
> directions. It is commensal with man, but at the same time very wary. I view
> it as a welcome addition to the urban avifauna. I might add that I am
> impatiently awaiting the arrival of the Common Starling to Pretoria.
>
> I rest my case for the defence and look forward to the response from the
> prosecution.
>
> Roger Fieldwick
>
> Pretoria
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Subject: Re: Most sought-after African and world birds?
From: "Ralda Heyns" <ralda1 AT law.co.za>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:25:17 +0200
Hi Lynette 

I envy you the opportunity to do bird watching abroad! I took a quick peak in 
the HBW to at least see what the Painted Stork ao birds you mentioned, look 
like - absolutely wonderful! I would love to see a Puffin, but is it not 
difficult to choose between the Atlantic, Horned and Tufted Puffin? 


Regards

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  Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 2:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [SABN] Most sought-after African and world birds?


  Hullo

  For the World...

  A couple of my best would be:

  India:                Painted Stork
  Florida, U.S.    Breeding male Brown Pelican
                          Breeding Male Summer Tanager - All-over different
                          shades of crimson.

  I have seen a Kiwi, but not in the wild.  I went to the breeding station in
  Rotarua, where they breed the birds for release into the wild.

  One I haven't seen yet:

  The Puffin!

  Of course, then there are the other birds which I don't know about yet
  so I can't list them.  That is not to say that I don't know any other birds,
  so please don't jump to conclusions - you might break a leg.

  Lynette Rens
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Subject: Re: Most sought-after African and world birds?
From: "Lynette Rens" <lynetter AT xsinet.co.za>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:27:58 +0200
Hullo

For the World...

A couple of my best would be:

India:                Painted Stork
Florida, U.S.    Breeding male Brown Pelican
                        Breeding Male Summer Tanager - All-over different
                        shades of crimson.

I have seen a Kiwi, but not in the wild.  I went to the breeding station in
Rotarua, where they breed the birds for release into the wild.

One I haven't seen yet:

The Puffin!

Of course, then there are the other birds which I don't know about yet
so I can't list them.  That is not to say that I don't know any other birds,
so please don't jump to conclusions - you might break a leg.

Lynette Rens
3 Escombe Ave
Parktown
Johannesburg 2193
Ph: (011) 482 2246
Cell: 082 5611 182

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Subject: Re: The Common Myna
From: Dawie Rotteveel <dawierotteveel AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:20:29 +0200
That the Common Myna is a very handsome bird, I am not going to argue about.
However, I would exchange the words "established itself strongly" with
"infested".

This bird has monopolized many (probably most) gardens I know. Gardens, such
as our own, used to have regular Red Bishop, Cape Robin-Chat and Green
Wood-Hoopoe, just to name those that immediately come to mind. Since we have
had a family (or extended family) of Myna moving in under our roof, even the
Laughing Doves have become fewer. The previously mentioned species are now
erratic visitors.

We all know how hardy and down-right stubborn Dark-capped Bulbuls can be,
but they also are not visiting as frequently as they used to. Now you might
say that this is purely by chance, but I have, on more than one occasion,
seen Myna chasing other birds from the bird-bath and from the bird feeder.
>From the bird-bath they drink water, but I have never seen them feeding at
the feeder - therefore I can only arrive at the conclusion that they are
"protecting their territory" or simply being selfish.

In China I also noticed that in the parks where there are many Myna
(Crested) the other birds aren't easily found, whereas where the Myna aren't
around, other species seem much more at ease.

If I am of a false opinion, I would appreciate it if others will my views.

Regards,
Dawie

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Roger Fieldwick
wrote:

> The Common Myna is probably the most unpopular bird in South Africa and I
> have never understood why. Here we have a handsome bird with black and brown
> plumage and white wing patches, bright yellow face, bill, legs and feet. It
> has a raucous, unmusical but cheerful song, it struts or bounds along and is
> a bird with character. In the past 20 years it has established itself
> strongly in Gauteng and is now expanding its range rapidly in all
> directions. It is commensal with man, but at the same time very wary. I view
> it as a welcome addition to the urban avifauna. I might add that I am
> impatiently awaiting the arrival of the Common Starling to Pretoria.
>
> I rest my case for the defence and look forward to the response from the
> prosecution.
>
> Roger Fieldwick
>
> Pretoria
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Subject: Atlassing Ulundi.....
From: Justin Nicolau <j.nicolau AT hotmail.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 13:56:03 +0200
 
 
Hi All,
 
This is just a short message to sum up a very memorable weekend, I would have 
typed up a much longer trip report and may still do so, but I thought that some 

information should reach the bird net as soon as possible. 
 
A group of KZN atlassers and this obnoxious Student from Jhb (Myself) went to 
try atlas as many virgin pentads as possible in the area of Ulundi. I may be 
wrong, but I think we managed to cover between 25 to 30 new pentads, and with 
that obviously came the ORF's. 

 
It is this information that I would like to put out here, as I came across a 
few notable species for this part of KZN as well as KZN as a whole in some 
instances: 

 
* Red-Headed Weaver 2829_3130 (I think there are only 2 sabap2 records for this 
species in the province. The bird has a nest on a powerline and thus should 
remain in the area for some time) 

* Bronze-Winged Courser (A bird seen on the Schoonstroom farm near Ophathe NR 
as well as in the NE of Ulundi) 

* Temminck's Coursers (4 birds seen East of Ulundi)
* Icterine Warbler ( seen in Ondini, just east of Ulundi)
* LESSER MOORHEN 2820_3125 (I found a pair in a small patch of water on top of 
the road leading to Mars House within Ophathe NR, this is the 2nd record 
according to sabap2 for the province.) 

* Burnt-Necked Eremomela (Quite South East, seen at the Ulundi Airport in the 
row of Fever Trees by the enterance) 

* Great-Reed Warbler (Heard near Phobane Lake in patch of reeds near the 
entrance to a citrus farm) 

* African Pygmy Kingfisher (Ophathe NR)
* Dusky Lark 2820_3120 (At the main entrance to Ophathe NR, feeding on the 
lawn) - This is only the 3rd record for KZN according to Sabap2. 

* Striped Kingishers (Seen on Schoonstroom farm, as well as West and East of 
Ulundi) 

* Chestnut-Vented Tit-Babbler (Ulundi East)
* South-African Cliff-Swallow (Near Smaldeel)
* European Roller (Seen in Ophathe NR, Very Few reocrds in the Central parts of 
KZN) 

* Eurasian Golden Oriole (Heard at Schoonstroom by another member, but If it is 
the case, there are less than 20 records, and non near this part of KZN) 

* Red-Headed Finch 2815_3040 (A male seen feeding with a group of sparrow 
around some kraals, also only about 20 records for KZN and this one being the 
second futherest East) 

* White-Bellied Korhaan 2810_3040 
 
I hope this information is of use to some of the KZN listers and birders in 
general. (Please note that sightings of these species took place over the 
21/22/23 of 01/2011) 

 
If any futher information is required, feel free to e-mail me or get hold of me 
on 082 927 0685. 

 
Cheers,
 
Justin Nicolau
 		 	   		  
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Subject: Re: Recent rains bring joy to birding
From: "Theo Wassenaar" <awr AT mweb.com.na>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 13:48:54 +0200
Hi Mpho
I love the Anteating Chat! Looks like he was massively surprised by
something...
Great photos.



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Subject: [SABN] Recent rains bring joy to birding

Hi Netters,
The recent heavy rains have brought joy to birding while driving around the
country this days, with pools and ponds of water forming along sides some
roads. This has brought bird watching nearer home. You do not have to travel
far for some birding. If you are lucky enough you may even add something to
your list. I have some of the images at http://mafikengbirds.blogspot.com
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Subject: Atlassing Ulundi.....
From: Justin Nicolau <j.nicolau AT hotmail.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 13:47:11 +0200
 
 
Hi All,
 
This is just a short message to sum up a very memorable weekend, I would have 
typed up a much longer trip report and may still do so, but I thought that some 

information should reach the bird net as soon as possible. 
 
A group of KZN atlassers and this obnoxious Student from Jhb (Myself) went to 
try atlas as many virgin pentads as possible in the area of Ulundi. I may be 
wrong, but I think we managed to cover between 25 to 30 new pentads, and with 
that obviously came the ORF's. 

 
It is this information that I would like to put out here, as I came across a 
few notable species for this part of KZN as well as KZN as a whole in some 
instances: 

 
* Red-Headed Weaver 2829_3130 (I think there are only 2 sabap2 records for this 
species in the province. The bird has a nest on a powerline and thus should 
remain in the area for some time) 

* Bronze-Winged Courser (A bird seen on the Schoonstroom farm near Ophathe NR 
as well as in the NE of Ulundi) 

* Temminck's Coursers (4 birds seen East of Ulundi)
* Icterine Warbler ( seen in Ondini, just east of Ulundi)
* LESSER MOORHEN 2820_3125 (I found a pair in a small patch of water on top of 
the road leading to Mars House within Ophathe NR, this is the 2nd record 
according to sabap2 for the province.) 

* Burnt-Necked Eremomela (Quite South East, seen at the Ulundi Airport in the 
row of Fever Trees by the enterance) 

* Great-Reed Warbler (Heard near Phobane Lake in patch of reeds near the 
entrance to a citrus farm) 

* African Pygmy Kingfisher (Ophathe NR)
* Dusky Lark 2820_3120 (At the main entrance to Ophathe NR, feeding on the 
lawn) - This is only the 3rd record for KZN according to Sabap2. 

* Striped Kingishers (Seen on Schoonstroom farm, as well as West and East of 
Ulundi) 

* Chestnut-Vented Tit-Babbler (Ulundi East)
* South-African Cliff-Swallow (Near Smaldeel)
* European Roller (Seen in Ophathe NR, Very Few reocrds in the Central parts of 
KZN) 

* Eurasian Golden Oriole (Heard at Schoonstroom by another member, but If it is 
the case, there are less than 20 records, and non near this part of KZN) 

* Red-Headed Finch 2815_3040 (A male seen feeding with a group of sparrow 
around some kraals, also only about 20 records for KZN and this one being the 
second futherest East) 

* White-Bellied Korhaan 2810_3040 
 
I hope this information is of use to some of the KZN listers and birders in 
general. (Please note that sightings of these species took place over the 
21/22/23 of 01/2011) 

 
If any futher information is required, feel free to e-mail me or get hold of me 
on 082 927 0685. 

 
Cheers,
 
Justin Nicolau 		 	   		  
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Subject: Re: Recent rains bring joy to birding
From: "Dirk Human (dirkh AT absa.co.za)" <dirkh@absa.co.za>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:26:54 +0200
Agree. Some wonderful photos there!

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Sent: 25 January 2011 12:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [SABN] Recent rains bring joy to birding

Hi Mpho,
Great pics!
Crystelle



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Subject: [SABN] Recent rains bring joy to birding

Hi Netters,
The recent heavy rains have brought joy to birding while driving around the 
country this days, with pools and ponds of water forming along sides some 
roads. This has brought bird watching nearer home. You do not have to travel 
far for some birding. If you are lucky enough you may even add something to 
your list. I have some of the images at http://mafikengbirds.blogspot.com Thanx 
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Subject: Re: Recent rains bring joy to birding
From: "Crystelle Wilson" <wilsonc AT wirelessza.co.za>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:12:46 +0200
Hi Mpho,
Great pics!
Crystelle



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Subject: [SABN] Recent rains bring joy to birding

Hi Netters,
The recent heavy rains have brought joy to birding while driving around the 
country this days, with pools and ponds of water forming along sides some 
roads. This has brought bird watching nearer home. You do not have to travel 
far for some birding. If you are lucky enough you may even add something to 
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Subject: RFI Northern Cape road conditions
From: Francois Dreyer <francoisdreyer AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:08:59 +0200
With all the rain that has been falling over large areas of the country and
rain still predicted I would like to find out from those living in the
following areas or maybe currently visiting them what the conditions of the
roads are.

Spitskop dam area
Onseepkans
Pofadder general area including Koa dunes area
Bloemhof dam (Sandveld Nature Reserve) - technically in North West but I
wanted to keep the subject line short :-)

Are the roads and access roads to these areas passable in a sedan vehicle?

Since I sneaked North West in maybe some comment on the "sedan" routes in
Mapungubwe

Regards

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Subject: The Common Myna
From: "Roger Fieldwick" <fieldwickr AT telkomsa.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:23:35 +0200
The Common Myna is probably the most unpopular bird in South Africa and I have 
never understood why. Here we have a handsome bird with black and brown plumage 
and white wing patches, bright yellow face, bill, legs and feet. It has a 
raucous, unmusical but cheerful song, it struts or bounds along and is a bird 
with character. In the past 20 years it has established itself strongly in 
Gauteng and is now expanding its range rapidly in all directions. It is 
commensal with man, but at the same time very wary. I view it as a welcome 
addition to the urban avifauna. I might add that I am impatiently awaiting the 
arrival of the Common Starling to Pretoria. 


I rest my case for the defence and look forward to the response from the 
prosecution. 


Roger Fieldwick

Pretoria
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Subject: Re: 800 birds for the Bustards. Progress report
From: jeej AT global.co.za
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:05:14 +0000
Hi Niall,

We are rooting for you, and wish you the very best of luck in your quest for 
800 in a year. 


From,  Eric, Jacqui and Humphrey Ehlers!!
------Original Message------
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Subject: [SABN] 800 birds for the Bustards. Progress report
Sent: Jan 24, 2011 10:35

As I haven't yet updated the website, I'll give you all a quick update
on where I am at, with the end of January approaching rapidly.

 

My total as at 23rd January is at 399.

 

Bird # 100 on 2nd January was Southern Hyliota

Bird # 200 on 5th January was Cape Gloss Starling

Bird #300 on 9th January was Common Sandpiper

 

So what will bird #400 be? It will be this week, guaranteed! Who wants
to sponsor Bustards in the name of bird #400?! 

 

Cheers

 

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Subject: Re: Island rat eradication
From: "Bronwyn Howard (Editor - The Birder Online)" <0110252021 AT neomail.co.za>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:02:27 +0200
Thanks for sharing, Mark.  This is quite interesting when you consider the
impact that alien species have had in countries such as Australia, for
example, where introduced rabbits and other supposedly "innocuous" creatures
have been responsible for wiping out a huge swathe of their very unusual
species.  Gerald Durrell wrote about this in some of his books, as I recall.
It was the first time I became aware of some of these problems.

Eradicating "pests" is a huge problem everywhere but the injudicious use of
poisons has an extremely negative effect on birds, especially carnivores and
scavengers such as raptors, vultures and Marabou Storks.  I read recently on
the BirdLife International web site that vultures in East Africa are
suffering from feeding on poisoned carcasses of wildlife, where a poison has
been used to eradicate wild animals such as lions and other predators to
stop them from feeding on domestic stock.  Unfortunately, birds don't know
that the carcasses are poisoned.  They say that vultures in particular could
have declined by between 60 - 70% in the last 30 years in Kenya alone and
particularly in the last 10 - 20 years because of the practice.  If we're
not careful, Africa will loose most of its wildlife and important birds.  I
don't even want to speculate what the consequences for ecology and natural
balances in these areas will be - or the ultimate impact on humans.
Southern Asia has lost about 80% of its vulture population if I remember
correctly and people are definitely experiencing problems now with the
spread of diseases (to both animals and people) as well as a surge in the
populations of feral cats and dogs.  The loss of most of the Indian vultures
was attributed to the use of a drug to treat kidney disease in cattle, which
had an extremely negative effect on vultures, effectively poisoning them.
Apparently this drug is starting to be used in Africa and South Africa as
well.  Vultures may also die of lead poisoning if they feed on carcasses
which have been killed using lead shot and raptors can also be affected by
even eating rats and mice that have been poisoned using domestic poisons
such as Ratex.  With a large number of raptors starting to migrate to cities
(birds such as Verreaux's Eagles, Long-crested Eagles and even African Fish
Eagles, for example, are now being seen around Johannesburg), using poisons
in gardens or to kill rats or mice or deal with those termites under the
house is something residents really need to think about very carefully.

Makes you think, doesn't it.  If we don't stop this, no one else will.

Kind regards
Bronwyn

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--------------------------------------------------
From: "Mark Anderson" 
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 8:01 PM
To: "SAbirdnet" 
Subject: [SABN] Island rat eradication

> Hi SABirdNetters
>
> See http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110118/full/news.2011.24.html
> regarding a rat eradication programme which resulted in bird
> (including Bald Eagle) mortalities.
>
> Regards,
> Mark
> -- 
> Mark D. Anderson
> Chief Executive Officer
> P. O. Box 515, Randburg 2125
> South Africa
> Tel: +27(0)11-7891122
> Mobile: +27(0)82-7880961
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Subject: Most sought-after African and world birds?
From: Birding Ecotours <info AT birdingecotours.co.za>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:39:29 +0200
Dear Birders
I have started compiling a list of perhaps the world's most sought-after birds, 
including birds which: 


1) I have personally dreamed about seeing (some of them since I was a child) 
and have now seen 


2)      I have been dreaming about seeing but have not yet seen

3)       World birders tell me are top birds for them
I have also started an African version of this list.

I would love nominations for what other birders feel are their top 10, 20 or 30 
birds in southern Africa, Africa or the world. 


For me, my greatest birding dream was to see a Snowy Owl. When I finally saw 
this bird, my top bird I wanted to see became Great Grey Owl. Now it's a bird 
of paradise, Resplendent Quetzal and Ivory-breasted Pitta highest up on my 
wish-list. 


I'd be quite keen to compile a list of top birds according to a consensus and 
not just according to my own personal preferences. 


The most asked-about bird for visiting birders to this country may well be Cape 
Rock-jumper - that is very often the number one target bird for foreign birders 
visiting South Africa and is the bird they say they most want to see. 


My initial top (most sought-after?) WORLD BIRDS (African birds later) are 
(more-or-less in order of priority): 


Snowy Owl
Great Grey Owl
Pel's Fishing Owl
Resplendent Quetzal
Several of the more spectacular Birds of Paradise
Ivory-breasted Pitta
Emperor Penguin
Snow Petrel
Tufted Puffin
Marvellous Spatuletail hummingbird
Sword-billed Hummingbird
Amazonian Umbrella-bird
Crimson Fruit-crow
Hyacinth Macaw
Andean or Guianian Cock-of-the-rock (I would choose the latter if only one)
a Kiwi
Lyrebird
Plains-wanderer
A Fairy-wren
Shoebill
One of the two Picathartes
Great Blue Turaco, Violet Turaco, White-crested Turaco or Ruspoli's Turaco
Wallcreeper
A Ground-Jay
Green/Inca Jay
Great Slaty Woodpecker (or Ivory-billed Woodpecker if not extinct)
Satyr Tragopan
Himalayan Monal
Rail Babbler
Beautiful of Velvet-fronted Nuthatch
Mountain Quail
Chestnut-sided or Blackburnian Warbler
Helmet Vanga
A mesite
A ground-roller
White-winged Flufftail - or whatever flufftail one has had the best view of
Long-whiskered Owlet
Buff-fronted Owlet
Any toucan (Mountain Toucans great)
Paradise Tanager or Grass-green Tanager
Pied Harrier
Black Harrier
Peregrine Falcon (widespread globally, but if I could choose only ONE falcon to 
see in my life it would nevertheless be this one - a fast and awesome bird) 

----------------

TOP AFRICAN BIRD (most sought-after?) - INITIAL NOMINATIONS:
Shoebill
One of the Picarthartes
Congo Peacock
Egyptian Plover
Quail Plover
African or Green-breasted Pitta
Great Blue, Violet, White-crested or Ruspoli's Turaco
African Green Broadbill
Any flufftail - could be rarest (White-winged) or the one a person gets the 
best views of 

Yellow-crested Hemlet-shrike
Shelley's Crimsonwing
Cape or Drakensberg Rockjumper
Streseman's Bush Crow
African Grey Parrot (in the wild, please!)
Pel's Fishing Owl (or perhaps even better, Rufous Fishing Owl)
Congo Bay Owl
Standard-winged or Pennant-winged Nightjar
White-headed Wood-hoopoe
Rosy Bee-eater, Black Bee-eater or Carmine Bee-eater (either)
Secretarybird
White-crested Hornbill
One of the two Ground Hornbills
Yellow-bellied Wattle-eye
One of the Bush-shrikes, probably topped by Rosy-patched, Gorgeous or Doherty's
Golden-breasted Starling
Golden-winged Sunbird, Nile Valley Sunbird, Malachite Sunbird (especially 
Red-tufted Malachite), Anchieta's Sunbird or one of the other sunbirds 

Black Harrier
Taita Falcon (albeit easy to see right now, at two sites in South Africa)

Let me know what yours are.

Cheers,
Chris
---
Chris Lotz
BIRDING ECOTOURS
www.birdingecotours.co.za
Cell phone: +27 72 635 1501
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Subject: Lesser Flamingo at Albasini Dam
From: Samson Mulaudzi <mulaudzims AT googlemail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 08:00:37 +0200
-- 
Samson Mulaudzi
LIMPOPO BIRD GUIDE
Specialist for Soutpansberg and Venda
Cell:+27(0)83 662 9960
Tel:+27(0)15 556 3406
Email:samson.birdguide AT webmail.co.za
mulaudzims AT googlemail.com
Web:www.birdingroutes.co.za
Operating Area:Limpopo Province,Central Soutpansberg and
Venda-Roodewal Forest,Hanglip Forest,Entabeni Forest,Muirhead
Dams,Albasini Conservancy,Thathe Vondo Forest,Venda-Sagole and
Northern Kruger

Registered SABAP & BIRP Observer No:2187 Blog:www.samsonbirding.blogspot.com






Hi all.

Last week On 20th January Thursday about late afternoon 4 Lesser
Flamingo were seen flying over Albasini Dam towards western side from
the dam wall.I remember last time a single Rock Pratincole was
recorded also here in September 2006.

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Subject: Island rat eradication
From: Mark Anderson <torgos.t AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 20:01:28 +0200
Hi SABirdNetters

See http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110118/full/news.2011.24.html
regarding a rat eradication programme which resulted in bird
(including Bald Eagle) mortalities.

Regards,
Mark
-- 
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Chief Executive Officer
P. O. Box 515, Randburg 2125
South Africa
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Mobile: +27(0)82-7880961
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Subject: Re: 800 birds in a year. 2011 is the year!
From: "Mark Muller & Alison Flatt" <mullerflatt AT botsnet.bw>
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:37:47 +0200
Well said Hanno & Niall all the best to you - I would LOVE to have a big
year for myself & chase 800.

How about keeping a diary & publishing it afterwards, as a couple of other
folk have done elsewhere in the world!!! I (& I am sure many others) would
love to read how it all goes.

Best regards Mark.

Mark Muller & Alison Flatt
P O Box 101
Maun, Botswana
Email:  mullerflatt AT botsnet.bw 

-----Original Message-----
From: Hanno Langenhoven [mailto:birds AT obenbosch.com] 
Sent: 23 January 2011 02:47 PM
To: sabirdnet AT lists.ukzn.ac.za
Subject: Re: [SABN] 800 birds in a year. 2011 is the year!

Hi everyone

I am once again amazed at the way that people on this newsgroup go after
other people. In case you don't want to read to the end, please grow up! 

I have known Niall for a number of years now and birded with him all over
the show. Yes to try and see 800 birds are going to cost Niall money, his
own. Probably less than joining a trip on the Aghulas to search for birds on
the southern oceans! But have anyone ever considered that Niall chooses not
to spend money on other things we take for granted? His money, his choice
and that should be it!

Further, the conservation effort that will mark this endeavour is hardly
tacked on the end. One only have to look at the numerous conservation
efforts Niall has been involved in. Clearing areas of Pilanesberg Reserve of
alien vegetation, monitoring Golden Harvest, initiating ATLAS projects in
Madikwe Game Reserve, sponsoring teams involved in Big Birding Day and
numerous SABAP 2 protocol cards including a number of hard to reach places.
Of course he birds while doing it and enjoys it, hence we get valuable and
informed information. What would you rather have; a enthusiastic birder
using his time to do bird conservation or someone doing bird conservation
that does not enjoy birds one bit? Why do we do conservation and research in
the fields we do? BECAUSE WE ENJOY IT AND IT IS A PASSION!! Going for 800 in
a year is a personal journey and aim which need no legitimizing. If you want
to do it, do it and good luck. To use it to gather funds, support
conservation and highlight the pursuit of birding in general via photos,
blogs, articles, TV etc just enriches the journey for Niall and others at
the same time.

And Joel, people are hardly jumping up and shooting the messenger. Lynette
could have asked (relevant) questions in private. With all the information
she could then have contacted the public web or maybe realized there is no
issues. Rather Lynette made a choice that, at least implicitly, casts a
shadow on the purpose of the bank account he created as well as his
integrity as a person. I have got to know Niall as a person whose integrity
is above reproach, who seriously committed to the conservation of birds and
who enjoys the passion that is birding.

In Bambi Thumper's dad tells him: "If you don't have something good to say,
then don't say anything at all." Maybe it is time that we remember this
simple rule of courtesy on this net. At the same time applaud someone of not
going out birding for him/herself, but chooses to contribute to the greater
community of birds and birders.

Good luck Niall, may it be a year of memories made, milestones achieved and
great birding all around!

Hanno Langenhoven

Ps. Jealousy is a nasty affliction.

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[mailto:sabirdnet-bounces AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za] On Behalf Of Joel Avni
Sent: 23 January 2011 02:16 PM
To: SA Birdnet
Subject: Re: [SABN] 800 birds in a year. 2011 is the year!

PS: If Niall and BirdLife are struggling to recruit someone for the 
thankless role of trustee they could hardly choose anyone better than 
the indomitable Ms Rens. And she now could hardly reject their overtures :).

Joel
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Subject: Re: 800 birds for the Bustards. Progress report
From: "Pieter la Grange" <lagrange.pieter AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 17:43:01 +0200
Hi Niall

I wish you all the best of luck for the magic 800.

You're welcome to come and tick bird number 400 in my garden:  Cape bulbul. 
[Free boarding; however, plane ticket not included]

Regards

Pieter
Stellenbosch

-----Original Message----- 
From: Niall Perrins
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 10:35 AM
To: sabirdnet AT lists.ukzn.ac.za ; AfricanBirding AT yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SABN] 800 birds for the Bustards. Progress report

As I haven't yet updated the website, I'll give you all a quick update
on where I am at, with the end of January approaching rapidly.



My total as at 23rd January is at 399.



Bird # 100 on 2nd January was Southern Hyliota

Bird # 200 on 5th January was Cape Gloss Starling

Bird #300 on 9th January was Common Sandpiper



So what will bird #400 be? It will be this week, guaranteed! Who wants
to sponsor Bustards in the name of bird #400?!



Cheers



Niall.

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Subject: Re: Fund raising
From: "Danie van den Bergh" <danie AT zenprop.co.za>
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 16:00:41 +0200
Ummm.. am I on the right mailing list? For the last couple of days feels
like I am part of the SARS or Binnelanders SUB JUDICE emailing group
hahaha... ha...no?

(just had a horrible thought of how un-exciting my life could have been)


Anyway.. Looking forward to being a part of this with you NIALL.. did I
spell that correctly?, no matter how small my/our contribution to this
worthwhile cause ;) 

DD


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[mailto:sabirdnet-bounces AT dbnmail2.ukzn.ac.za] On Behalf Of BARRY PORTER
Sent: 24 January 2011 02:32 PM
To: S.A. BIRDNET
Subject: [SABN] Fund raising

Just a  comment for general  information.
As I understand the law of our land, any organisation/body wishing to
raise 
funds, whether it be for an old age home, or to alleviate the plight of
the 
Ethiopian garbage fly, is obliged to register and acquire a "FUND
RAISING 
NUMBER" _ .
The possession of this number serves to legitimise the persons
collecting 
funds. It allows donors to check if the cause is genuine, and also
serves to 
inform the tax man about the scheme. BLSA and all affiliated
organisations, 
are obliged to register as section 21 companies, - Companies Not For
Profit. 
according to SARS. This ensures that all financial records are audited
and 
submitted to SARS annually.
BLSA, and the associated bird clubs are thus covered, as they can merely
use 
their NPO registration numbers as fund raising numbers.
It would thus appear that this is the best way to go if funds for any
bird 
related project need to be solicited.
Barry Porter 

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Subject: Fund raising
From: "BARRY PORTER" <hella AT mweb.co.za>
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:31:50 +0200
Just a  comment for general  information.
As I understand the law of our land, any organisation/body wishing to raise 
funds, whether it be for an old age home, or to alleviate the plight of the 
Ethiopian garbage fly, is obliged to register and acquire a "FUND RAISING 
NUMBER" _ .
The possession of this number serves to legitimise the persons collecting 
funds. It allows donors to check if the cause is genuine, and also serves to 
inform the tax man about the scheme. BLSA and all affiliated organisations, 
are obliged to register as section 21 companies, - Companies Not For Profit. 
according to SARS. This ensures that all financial records are audited and 
submitted to SARS annually.
BLSA, and the associated bird clubs are thus covered, as they can merely use 
their NPO registration numbers as fund raising numbers.
It would thus appear that this is the best way to go if funds for any bird 
related project need to be solicited.
Barry Porter 

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Subject: Re: 800 birds in a year. 2011 is the year!
From: "Bronwyn Howard (Editor - The Birder Online)" <0110252021 AT neomail.co.za>
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:42:55 +0200
Lynette raises a very good point.  I ran into this problem a little while 
ago when wanting to do environmental education - you actually need to 
register as a non-profit and all sorts of things, which gets hugely 
complicated for a one-off thing like Neill is doing.  I think the way Neill 
is doing it now going through BirdLife is a great idea!

Advertising in the BirdLife E-newsletter, by the way, also funds the bustard 
project, so bear that in mind.  Rates are extremely reasonable and BirdLife 
members get a discounted rate too.

Good for you, Neill as well.

Bronwyn Howard
Editor - The Birder
Suite No. 123, Private Bag X2, Dainfern, 2055, South Africa
Tel: 011 025 2021
Cell: 084 246 9223
E-mail: editor AT thebirderonline.com
Web site: www.thebirderonline.com


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From: "Craig" 
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:14 PM
To: "Lynette Rens" 
Cc: "SAbirdnet" 
Subject: Re: [SABN] 800 birds in a year. 2011 is the year!

> Thank goodness everyone on the net isn't so an*l
>
> Lynette, you forgot to add the tax implications, to both donor and do'nee
>
>
> On 2011/01/23 07:37 AM, Lynette Rens wrote:
>> I should like to make a few comments:
>>
>> The 32 Day Notice Account:
>>
>> The Account is in the personal Name of ND Perrins.
>>
>> I assume that the account will be used purely to collect money towards 
>> this
>> conservation project.
>>
>> It is therefore in effect a Trust Account.
>>
>> Is there a Trust document?
>> Who are the Trustees/Administrators?
>>
>> Shoul Niall die before any distribution of funds is made, would this 
>> account
>> form part of his Estate?
>>
>> I am of the opinion that while Niall may have all the good intentions in 
>> the
>> world, there are serious legal irregularities connected with this 
>> account.
>>
>> Sorry to rain on the parade.
>>
>> Lynette Rens
>> 3 Escombe Ave
>> Parktown
>> Johannesburg 2193
>> Ph: (011) 482 2246
>> Cell: 082 5611 182
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Subject: Re: 800 birds in a year. 2011 is the year!
From: Craig <the AT sylum.co.za>
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:14:50 +0200
Thank goodness everyone on the net isn't so an*l

Lynette, you forgot to add the tax implications, to both donor and do'nee


On 2011/01/23 07:37 AM, Lynette Rens wrote:
> I should like to make a few comments:
>
> The 32 Day Notice Account:
>
> The Account is in the personal Name of ND Perrins.
>
> I assume that the account will be used purely to collect money towards this
> conservation project.
>
> It is therefore in effect a Trust Account.
>
> Is there a Trust document?
> Who are the Trustees/Administrators?
>
> Shoul Niall die before any distribution of funds is made, would this account
> form part of his Estate?
>
> I am of the opinion that while Niall may have all the good intentions in the
> world, there are serious legal irregularities connected with this account.
>
> Sorry to rain on the parade.
>
> Lynette Rens
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