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18 Nov Still Flying on Long Island ["Annette" ] 17 Nov Still flying ["LARRY FEDERMAN" ] 17 Nov Dragon from elsewhere [] 16 Nov Re: the last ode for 2009? ["PAMELA HUNT" ] 15 Nov the last ode for 2009? [lance biechele ] 15 Nov Off Topic [Glenn Corbiere ] 14 Nov Sympetrum [David Grotke ] 14 Nov Re: Road Trip! [] 11 Nov Re: November fliers with Amber Wings [June Tveekrem ] 11 Nov November fliers with Amber Wings [] 10 Nov November fliers ["mrcnaturally" ] 10 Nov Late flier ["Quackenbush, J Kevin" ] 10 Nov Late flier ["John and Sue Gregoire" ] 9 Nov Re: Ophiogomphus carolus [Dennis Paulson ] 09 Nov re: Darner! oops from Ithaca NY ["asiootusloe" ] 09 Nov Darner! ["asiootusloe" ] 9 Nov Ophiogomphus carolus ["Michael Blust" ] 7 Nov paper acquired [Dennis Paulson ] 6 Nov paper request [Dennis Paulson ] 04 Nov Late Odes Maine [James MacDougall ] 3 Nov RE: New Book(s) ... ["Intl Odonata Research Inst" ] 3 Nov New Book(s) ... ["Quackenbush, J Kevin" ] 3 Nov For New Yorkers ["MARIE HEMEON" ] 28 Oct New Jersey Odonata Field Guide pre-orders being taken [Allen Barlow ] 15 Oct Spam e-mail [Robert Packard ] 11 Oct Re: Clubtail ID? [Dennis Paulson ] 11 Oct Clubtail ID? [Y Mer ] 8 Oct Re: Identification help [] 8 Oct Identification help [4 Attachments] ["Hunts" ] 07 Oct Re: Late season Swamp Darner and County records ... [Blair Nikula ] 6 Oct video of Cordulegaster erronea (Tiger Spiketail) ["John and Sue Gregoire" ] 4 Oct Re: Late season Swamp Darner and County records ... [] 4 Oct Late season Swamp Darner and County records ... ["Quackenbush, J Kevin" ] 4 Oct Epiaeshna heros ["John and Sue Gregoire" ] 3 Oct Re: Late season Swamp Darner [Earle Baldwin ] 03 Oct Late season Swamp Darner ["Michelle St.Sauveur" ] 30 Sep Re: Lestes ["Steve Walter" ] 30 Sep Re: Lestes [Steven Price ] 30 Sep Re: Lestes [Dennis Paulson ] 30 Sep Lestes [Steven Price ] 30 Sep Lestes [Steven Price ] 28 Sep Re: ID Help [Allen Barlow ] 27 Sep Fw: ID Help [Glenn Corbiere ] 27 Sep ID Help ["Gregory P. Sargeant MS Ed. BCBA" ] 22 Sep Re: Interspecies mating ["Steve Walter" ] 21 Sep Fw: ID Help [Glenn Corbiere ] 21 Sep ID Help [4 Attachments] [Ginny Alfano ] 21 Sep Re: Identification Help Requested [Glenn Corbiere ] 21 Sep Odes in Hillsborough NH Sunday ["PAMELA HUNT" ] 21 Sep Interspecies mating [1 Attachment] [Bob Moul ] 21 Sep Re: Interspecies Aeshna mating wheel (?) [Dennis Paulson ] 21 Sep Identification Help Requested [2 Attachments] ["Hunts" ] 21 Sep Re: Interspecies Aeshna mating wheel (?) [Glenn Corbiere ] 21 Sep Interspecies Aeshna mating wheel (?) [Tom Young ] 19 Sep Ae. subarctica ["D W Bridgehouse" ] 18 Sep Aeshna subartica [1 Attachment] ["John and Sue Gregoire" ] 17 Sep Zigzag Darner, Aeshna sitchensis in Southern Ontario ["D&Y Bree" ] 14 Sep Re: Newbie pictures ["mary b. ffolliott" ] 14 Sep Newbie pictures ["Gregory P. Sargeant MS Ed. BCBA" ] 12 Sep Identification queries [Simon Tickle ] 10 Sep Halloween Pennant - Celithemis eponina [2 Attachments] [] 09 Sep Re: Another example of predator becoming prey [June Tveekrem ] 9 Sep Re: Sites for Odes [Glenn Corbiere ] 09 Sep Sites for Odes [] 8 Sep Another example of predator becoming prey [1 Attachment] [] 06 Sep Re: Aeshna clepsydra. ["Steve Walter" ] 06 Sep Saturday Odonates on local Creeks ["asiootusloe" ] 5 Sep Aeshna clepsydra. ["MARIE HEMEON" ] 30 Aug Decent day for observation ... ["Quackenbush, J Kevin" ] 29 Aug Re: Dragonflies in Ballparks ["Steve Walter" ] 29 Aug Re: Dragonflies in Ballparks [Dennis Paulson ] 29 Aug Dragonflies in Ballparks ["Steve Walter" ] 24 Aug RE: Stylurus plagiatus (Russet-tipped Clubtail) ["Chip Krilowicz" ] 24 Aug Fw: Stylurus plagiatus (Russet-tipped Clubtail) [Glenn Corbiere ] 24 Aug Re: The dragon doesn't always win. [Hal White ] 23 Aug The dragon doesn't always win. [1 Attachment] [Bob Moul ] Subject: Still Flying on Long Island From: "Annette" <graphicartist04 AT yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:49:40 -0000 Today it was 53 degrees F and the sun was out in Suffolk County on Long Island. I had at least 25 Autumn Meadowhawks (Sympetrum vicinum). They were still guarding and ovapositing. We had one freeze a few weeks ago. I have been finding only Autumn Meadowhawks this week. Last week I found about 5 Spotted Spreadwings (Lestes congener). Annette Oliveira Subject: Still flying From: "LARRY FEDERMAN" <birderlarry AT verizon.net> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:25:25 -0500 I had a sympetrum land on my PFD this afternoon at our RamsHorn-Livingston Sanctuary, Town of Catskill, Greene County, NY. Saw several others, too. Larry Federman Education Coordinator Audubon New York Rheinstrom Hill, Buttercup Farm, RamsHorn-Livingston Audubon Centers and Sanctuaries ----- Original Message ----- From: avankeur AT nycap.rr.com To: NEOdes AT yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: [NEodes] Dragon from elsewhere Hello all, While dreaming of next season and reviewing the past summer an image from the November 2009 issue of National Geographic caught my attention. See page 94 for the image of a Dragonfly species from Madagascar Usually this magazine provides an identification of species illustrated. This time it was included. Any ideas of who it is? Regards, Alison Van Keuren Subject: Dragon from elsewhere From: <avankeur AT nycap.rr.com> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:03:19 -0500 Hello all, While dreaming of next season and reviewing the past summer an image from the November 2009 issue of National Geographic caught my attention. See page 94 for the image of a Dragonfly species from Madagascar Usually this magazine provides an identification of species illustrated. This time it was included. Any ideas of who it is? Regards, Alison Van Keuren Subject: Re: the last ode for 2009? From: "PAMELA HUNT" <biodiva AT myfairpoint.net> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:00:25 -0500 My last ode (so far...): Last night while up on a nearby hill watching the sunset, a Shadow Darner (Aeshna umbrosa) was working it's way between the rows of apple trees - new late date for NH by 5 days. But it's staying warm and sunny, so who knows, and I'll bet there are still some Autumn Meadowhawks lurking somewhere nearby... Pam Hunt Concord, NH ----- Original Message ----- From: lance biechele To: NEodes AT yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 10:13 PM Subject: [NEodes] the last ode for 2009? Hi Folks, Well, about 11:00 this morning, the clouds finally receded and the sun shimmered it's warm rays out on the Delmarva. Flying across the road, was a green darner. A solemn testiment of Nature's endurance. Best Wishes, Lance Subject: the last ode for 2009? From: lance biechele <ltb0076 AT yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:13:12 -0800 (PST) Hi Folks,    Well, about 11:00 this morning, the clouds finally receded and the sun shimmered it's warm rays out on the Delmarva.    Flying across the road, was a green darner.    A solemn testiment of Nature's endurance. Best Wishes, Lance Subject: Off Topic From: Glenn Corbiere <gcorbiere AT dragonhunter.net> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:26:13 -0800 (PST) This is off topic, but I'm sure many will be interested in this article: http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/magazine/articles/2009/11/15/whats_killing_the_bats?mode=PF Glenn Glenn Corbiere Chester, MA www.dragonhunter.net Subject: Sympetrum From: David Grotke <aintdave AT roadrunner.com> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:28:35 -0500 Somewhat, but not totally, surprised, I found nine sympetrum vicinum resting on the wooden handrail of a walkway over a section of the Tonawanda National Wildlife Refuge this afternoon. Temp was about 64°. Sun was out, but a bit clouded. No wind. They were spaced out across the walkway, not flying. Easy to approach. When I exhaled onto one, it lifted off, but soon settled back. The ones I spoke to simply cocked their heads. The NWR is in Western New York, east of Buffalo, NY. David Grotke Subject: Re: Road Trip! From: MariaAA AT aol.com Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:42:56 -0500 I beg your pardon!? Everyone is always dissing the libellulids for being so "boring" and "regular" and "commonplace"...aargh! Maria -----Original Message----- From: Michael Blust To: Bryan Pfeiffer ; Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu; NEOdes Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 11:41 pm Subject: RE: [NEodes] Road Trip! So, what'll it be? The Libellula Lager - for those that like ordinary beer The Pantala Pale Ale - keeps you hoppin' or The Somatochlora Stout - Dark and mysterious Cheers, Mike ------------------------------------------------------------ Michael Blust Dept. of Natural Science Green Mountain College Poultney, VT 05764 802-287-8331 blustm AT greenmtn.edu From: Bryan Pfeiffer Sent: Wed 11/11/2009 3:20 PM To: Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu; NEOdes Subject: [NEodes] Road Trip! Perhaps the Dragonfly Society of the Americas can sponsor a "field trip" to investigate this: http://www.odonatabeer.com/ I volunteer to organize and lead an "expedition" to this "wet land." Best, Bryan Pfeiffer -- Wings Environmental: www.wingsenvironmental.com Wings Photography: www.wingsphotography.com Vermont Bird Tours: www.vermontbirdtours.com Subject: Re: November fliers with Amber Wings From: June Tveekrem <damselfly AT southernspreadwing.com> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:03:15 -0500 Female Common Green Darners (Anax junius) often have a lot of amber in the wings. June -- June Tveekrem Columbia, Maryland, U.S. damselfly|AT|southernspreadwing.com http://SouthernSpreadwing.com jdanielschell AT netscape.net wrote: > While walking the trails at the Arcadia Sanctuary in Northampton, Ma > yesterday (11/10) I had the briefest glimpse of a darner-sized > dragonfly as it rose up and away through the trees. The only field > mark I had time to note was that all four wings were distinctly > amber. Any ideas as to the species? > > Daniel Schell > Hatfield, MA Subject: November fliers with Amber Wings From: jdanielschell AT netscape.net Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:53:50 -0500 While walking the trails at the Arcadia Sanctuary in Northampton, Ma yesterday (11/10) I had the briefest glimpse of a darner-sized dragonfly as it rose up and away through the trees. The only field mark I had time to note was that all four wings were distinctly amber. Any ideas as to the species? Daniel Schell Hatfield, MA Subject: November fliers From: "mrcnaturally" <mrcnaturally AT optonline.net> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:54:10 -0000 Yesterday Monday 11/09/09 at Lenoir Nature Preserve, Yonkers, NY there were Anax junius and a Sympetrum species (Meadowhawk species) possibly S. rubicundulum (Ruby Meadowhawk). There are 3 photos in November fliers, so if anyone can ID the Sympetrum please let me know. Walter Chadwick Subject: Late flier From: "Quackenbush, J Kevin" <jquacken AT foxboro.com> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:47:22 -0500 And, a similar experience on Sunday [8 Nov] AT Borderland State Park, in eastern Ma. Whilst playing Frisbee golf, my son was surprised to see a large Ode soar past him about ten feet up, and sail quickly off over some bushes. He is well used to seeing them when out with me during the 'season', and he tentatively ID'd as Anax J.. He also noted a number of 'paired Meadowhawks' ... as he knew I'd be interested in any Ode reports. Q. J. Kevin Quackenbush Principal Conductivity/Resistivity & Sr. Application Specialist Invensys - Foxboro / E'Chem. Analytical TAC 38 Neponset Ave. - Bldg. #4 - NO4-3 Foxboro, Ma. 02035, U.S.A. 508-549-4731 (voice) j.quackenbush AT ips.invensys.com Agis quod Adis Quackus Perfectus Recipient of the 2008-2009 Protea - Biscuit Award - for Dependability ________________________________ From: NEodes AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:NEodes AT yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John and Sue Gregoire Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:51 AM To: NEOdes; KHAMOLISTSERV Subject: [NEodes] Late flier We were birding the shore of Cayuga Lake (Central NY) yesterday when a large dragonfly soared past us and up the road. It hooked a right and sped over a hedge before we could mentally switch from Loon mode to Ode mode and recognize it but John thought he saw the blue of an Anax junius (Green Darner). It has been very warm the last few days but still, this was a bit of a surprise. A few Sympetrum vicinum (Autumn Meadowhawks) are still around, but that's not unusual. Always nice to see them hanging in though. Sue G. PS: Also heard a cricket! -- John and Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett,NY 14818-9626 Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/ "Conserve and Create Habitat" *** Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any associated or attached files, is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. This email comes from a division of the Invensys Group, owned by Invensys plc, which is a company registered in England and Wales with its registered office at Portland House, Bressenden Place, London, SW1E 5BF (Registered number 166023). For a list of European legal entities within the Invensys Group, please go to http://www.invensys.com/legal/default.asp?top_nav_id=77&nav_id=80&prev_id=77. You may contact Invensys plc on +44 (0)20 7821 3848 or e-mail inet.hqhelpdesk AT invensys.com. This e-mail and any attachments thereto may be subject to the terms of any agreements between Invensys (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates) and the recipient (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates). Subject: Late flier From: "John and Sue Gregoire" <khmo AT empacc.net> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:50:57 -0500 We were birding the shore of Cayuga Lake (Central NY) yesterday when a large dragonfly soared past us and up the road. It hooked a right and sped over a hedge before we could mentally switch from Loon mode to Ode mode and recognize it but John thought he saw the blue of an Anax junius (Green Darner). It has been very warm the last few days but still, this was a bit of a surprise. A few Sympetrum vicinum (Autumn Meadowhawks) are still around, but that's not unusual. Always nice to see them hanging in though. Sue G. PS: Also heard a cricket! -- John and Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett,NY 14818-9626 Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/ "Conserve and Create Habitat" Subject: Re: Ophiogomphus carolus From: Dennis Paulson <dennispaulson AT comcast.net> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:54:08 -0800 Mike, When I was doing research on seasonal regulation in North Carolina, I routinely collected last-instar larvae (nymphs, naiads, whatever) of a variety of species all through the fall and winter and often had them emerge not too long thereafter. I think once they have come out of diapause, the only thing that prevents them from emerging is low water temperature, and as soon as temps rise in spring, they're ready to go. The earlier instars that I collected would also molt and grow right through the winter once they were in a warm environment. Dennis On Nov 9, 2009, at 6:26 AM, Michael Blust wrote: > > Hal may be seeing good numbers of fall odes, but I was surprised > last week to see a freshly emerged O. carolus. OK, so it was in my > office and came out of my aquarium, but I was still surprised to see > it. I had collected some nymphs a few weeks ago for another purpose > and threw them in my office aquarium when I was done. I thought > there was an off chance that I might see an adult next May. The > heat control in my office is minimal (unfortunately) and generally > is in the 75-80 degree range when I am not there with the window open. > > > > Given that I normally wait until April to collect nymphs for rearing > for ID confirmations, I am now wondering whether nymphs that are > mature in the fall are generally capable of emergence as soon as the > temperature conditions are suitable. > > > > Mike > > _________________________________ > > Michael Blust > > Professor of Biology > > Green Mountain College > > Poultney, VT 05764 > > 802-287-8331 > > blustm AT greenmtn.edu > > > > > ----- Dennis Paulson 1724 NE 98 St. Seattle, WA 98115 206-528-1382 dennispaulson AT comcast.net Subject: re: Darner! oops from Ithaca NY From: "asiootusloe" <mmh3 AT cornell.edu> Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:41:54 -0000 Sorry about not posting from where I am watching these insects! Of course from Ithaca NY. I remembered that I need to add location when I started typing, but forgot by the time I finished typing. If I post directly from yahoo group there is no address attached to it. If I post from my regular e-mail, which has a location file attached to it, seem not to get posted to the list. Probably goes into spam mail. Something fishy about my cornell.edu e-mail address on yahoo groups for both NEOdes and NYSbutterflies! And it is pain to go to yahoo groups to post these messages, so often these days I just dont post. Meena Ithaca NY USA Eart:-) Subject: Darner! From: "asiootusloe" <mmh3 AT cornell.edu> Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:16:14 -0000 Just now I was working on my computer and in my peripheral vision I saw something coming towards my fourth floor office window. So I looked up to see a darner heading south! May have been a Green Darner. With temps in 60+ it did seem springy on my walk to work (30 min through some wooded area) where Robins were going crazy. Yesterday afternoon, again when temp was in 65s, I came out to work in my garden, when a female Sympetrum vicinum, Autumn Meadowhawk landed on a dry oak leaf as if challenging me to photograph her. She was there for quite sometime. Weird, but I am enjoying this warm spell! Meena Subject: Ophiogomphus carolus From: "Michael Blust" <blustm AT greenmtn.edu> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:26:30 -0500 Hal may be seeing good numbers of fall odes, but I was surprised last week to see a freshly emerged O. carolus. OK, so it was in my office and came out of my aquarium, but I was still surprised to see it. I had collected some nymphs a few weeks ago for another purpose and threw them in my office aquarium when I was done. I thought there was an off chance that I might see an adult next May. The heat control in my office is minimal (unfortunately) and generally is in the 75-80 degree range when I am not there with the window open. Given that I normally wait until April to collect nymphs for rearing for ID confirmations, I am now wondering whether nymphs that are mature in the fall are generally capable of emergence as soon as the temperature conditions are suitable. Mike _________________________________ Michael Blust Professor of Biology Green Mountain College Poultney, VT 05764 802-287-8331 blustm AT greenmtn.edu Subject: paper acquired From: Dennis Paulson <dennispaulson AT comcast.net> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:07:29 -0800 Hello, all. Thanks for all the responses I got when I asked about a Northeast Naturalist paper yesterday. Steve Collins had a pdf of it and sent it to me, so I'm happy. This certainly shows one of the wonderful aspects of the internet and of lists such as this! Dennis ----- Dennis Paulson 1724 NE 98 St. Seattle, WA 98115 206-528-1382 dennispaulson AT comcast.net Subject: paper request From: Dennis Paulson <dennispaulson AT comcast.net> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 20:11:09 -0800 Does anyone on this list know how I can get a copy of this paper? Gibbs, K. E., B. Bradeen, & D. Boland. 2004. Spatial and temporal segregation among six species of coexisting Ophiogomphus (Odonata: Gomphidae) in the Aroostook River, Maine. Northeastern Naturalist 11 (3): 295-312. Thanks! Dennis ----- Dennis Paulson 1724 NE 98 St. Seattle, WA 98115 206-528-1382 dennispaulson AT comcast.net Subject: Late Odes Maine From: James MacDougall <jm3 AT mac.com> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:08:37 -0500 Hi Yesterday in China, Maine, I saw 3 Sympetrum vicinum (Autumn Meadowhawk) and a darner that I could not see well since it was flying and backlit. No butterflies. Jim MacDougall Campmeeting Road Topsfield, Mass. 978-857-6826 http://web.mac.com/jm3/ Subject: RE: New Book(s) ... From: "Intl Odonata Research Inst" <iodonata AT bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:13:35 -0500 The revised edition of the Df of N.A. will be out in about 1 - 1 /2 years Advanced orders will be taken through this web site once its publication date and price are secured. Bill Mauffray International Odonata Research Institute PO Box 147100 Gainesville FL 32614-7100 352-219-3141 cell iodonata AT bellsouth.net http://www.iodonata.net _____ From: NEodes AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:NEodes AT yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Quackenbush, J Kevin Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 12:31 PM To: NEodes Subject: [NEodes] New Book(s) ... All, Alas, the cold is upon us. (More) Time for books ! Does anyone know if there is a new(est) revised version [i.e. newer than the 2000 version] of Needham, J.G.; Westfall, M.J.; May, M.L. Dragonflies of North America (Revised Edition) ... coming out ... soon ? And, if so ... does anyone know how to pre-order ? Any comments on the 2000 version ? Also, book related ... Can anyone suggest a best field guide (or, other literature source) for N. American (preferably New England) Odonate Exuviae identification ? Thanks, Quack J. Kevin Quackenbush Principal Conductivity/Resistivity & Sr. Application Specialist Invensys - Foxboro / E'Chem. Analytical TAC Agis quod Adis DragonHunter _____ From: NEodes AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:NEodes AT yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Paulson Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 7:55 PM To: Y Mer Cc: NEodes Subject: Re: [NEodes] Clubtail ID? Hi, Yvonne. My best guess as to the identity of your Gomphus is Gomphus spicatus, Dusky Clubtail. I can see nothing about it that would eliminate that species, which is common in northeastern lakes. Dennis On Oct 11, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Y Mer wrote: I am hoping for any help in identification of what I think is a Gomphus sp. that I found in Central NY in June. Instead of posting the pic here, I am linking to my galleries for a close-up view (please click on Original size format just below the image at pbase). http://www.pbase. com/4dabirds/image/113671892 I thought it freshly emerged because of wing position. Despite it being on my website for months, as well as an ID inquiry on BugGuide, I still am unsure of it's identity. It was located on a trail bisecting meadows and mixed woods several acres from water at the Beaver Lake Nature Center near Baldwinsville in Onondaga County, NY. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Yvonne Merriam ymerriamphoto AT yahoo.com Photo galleries may be viewed by clicking: http://www.pbase. com/4dabirds .-- Dennis Paulson 1724 NE 98 St. Seattle, WA 98115 206-528-1382 dennispaulson AT comcast.net _____ *** Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any associated or attached files, is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. This email comes from a division of the Invensys Group, owned by Invensys plc, which is a company registered in England and Wales with its registered office at Portland House, Bressenden Place, London, SW1E 5BF (Registered number 166023). For a list of European legal entities within the Invensys Group, please go to http://www.invensys .com/legal/default.asp?top_nav_id=77&nav_id=80&prev_id=77. You may contact Invensys plc on +44 (0)20 7821 3848 or e-mail inet.hqhelpdesk AT invensys.com. This e-mail and any attachments thereto may be subject to the terms of any agreements between Invensys (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates) and the recipient (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates). _____ Subject: New Book(s) ... From: "Quackenbush, J Kevin" <jquacken AT foxboro.com> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:30:46 -0500 All, Alas, the cold is upon us. (More) Time for books ! Does anyone know if there is a new(est) revised version [i.e. newer than the 2000 version] of Needham, J.G.; Westfall, M.J.; May, M.L. Dragonflies of North America (Revised Edition) ... coming out ... soon ? And, if so ... does anyone know how to pre-order ? Any comments on the 2000 version ? Also, book related ... Can anyone suggest a best field guide (or, other literature source) for N. American (preferably New England) Odonate Exuviae identification ? Thanks, Quack J. Kevin Quackenbush Principal Conductivity/Resistivity & Sr. Application Specialist Invensys - Foxboro / E'Chem. Analytical TAC Agis quod Adis DragonHunter ________________________________ From: NEodes AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:NEodes AT yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Paulson Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 7:55 PM To: Y Mer Cc: NEodes Subject: Re: [NEodes] Clubtail ID? Hi, Yvonne. My best guess as to the identity of your Gomphus is Gomphus spicatus, Dusky Clubtail. I can see nothing about it that would eliminate that species, which is common in northeastern lakes. Dennis On Oct 11, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Y Mer wrote: I am hoping for any help in identification of what I think is a Gomphus sp. that I found in Central NY in June. Instead of posting the pic here, I am linking to my galleries for a close-up view (please click on Original size format just below the image at pbase). http://www.pbase.com/4dabirds/image/113671892 I thought it freshly emerged because of wing position. Despite it being on my website for months, as well as an ID inquiry on BugGuide, I still am unsure of it's identity. It was located on a trail bisecting meadows and mixed woods several acres from water at the Beaver Lake Nature Center near Baldwinsville in Onondaga County, NY. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Yvonne Merriam ymerriamphoto AT yahoo.com Photo galleries may be viewed by clicking: http://www.pbase.com/4dabirds .-- Dennis Paulson 1724 NE 98 St. Seattle, WA 98115 206-528-1382 dennispaulson AT comcast.net *** Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any associated or attached files, is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. This email comes from a division of the Invensys Group, owned by Invensys plc, which is a company registered in England and Wales with its registered office at Portland House, Bressenden Place, London, SW1E 5BF (Registered number 166023). For a list of European legal entities within the Invensys Group, please go to http://www.invensys.com/legal/default.asp?top_nav_id=77&nav_id=80&prev_id=77. You may contact Invensys plc on +44 (0)20 7821 3848 or e-mail inet.hqhelpdesk AT invensys.com. This e-mail and any attachments thereto may be subject to the terms of any agreements between Invensys (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates) and the recipient (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates). Subject: For New Yorkers From: "MARIE HEMEON" <mariekevinhemeon AT msn.com> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:15:46 -0500 This may be off topic unless they would have to cut through a bog or other wetland but, I don't think it is too far removed. It is amazing the difficulty to do something so common sense. From Audubon: Tupper Lake has suffered for more than a decade with a single power supply line, which often fails in storms and in the winter. A new additional power line is in development that would bring hydro power to Tupper Lake and improve reliability. To avoid a 6 mile detour around State Forest Preserve Land that would fragment old growth forest and cut through endangered Spruce Grouse habitat, the New York Power Authority (NYPA) and National Grid have proposed locating the line along the roadside of Rt. 56, going through 6 acres of Forest Preserve land found along the roadside that doesn't contain any unique natural resources. In exchange for this 6 acres, the company will purchase at least 10 acres (and up to 43 acres) of forest land for inclusion into the state's Forest Preserve. In order for this important land swap to be authorized, a constitutional amendment is required to be approved by the voters. Proposition 1 on the ballot this Tuesday would authorize this deal, and we strongly urge our members to vote yes on this important proposal to protect the ecological integrity of the Adirondack Park and provide the people of Tupper Lake with more reliable power. Please forward this announcement on to other registered voters in New York. Subject: New Jersey Odonata Field Guide pre-orders being taken From: Allen Barlow <allenb.cwf AT gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:10:36 -0400 Hi All, Many of you had probably given up on this book ever becoming a reality. After much frustration and many false starts it is finally set for shipment in mid-November. The attached link will provide anyone interested with a simple way to purchase a copy (or more if you want!). I am told that shipping is being waived on pre-orders so don't be shy. to order: http://www.conservewildlifenj.org/explorations/fall09/Guide.html Best, -- Allen Barlow Subject: Spam e-mail From: Robert Packard <packardr90 AT hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:32:19 +0000 Hi all, if you get a message from me titled Hi, e, or Hi, 7, don't open it. It is a spam e-mail. I will be changing my e-mail address shortly Sorry, Bob Bob Packard Riverside, CA packardr90 AT hotmail.com Subject: Re: Clubtail ID? From: Dennis Paulson <dennispaulson AT comcast.net> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:54:55 -0700 Hi, Yvonne. My best guess as to the identity of your Gomphus is Gomphus spicatus, Dusky Clubtail. I can see nothing about it that would eliminate that species, which is common in northeastern lakes. Dennis On Oct 11, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Y Mer wrote: > I am hoping for any help in identification of what I think is a > Gomphus sp. that I found in Central NY in June. Instead of posting > the pic here, I am linking to my galleries for a close-up view > (please click on Original size format just below the image at pbase). > > http://www.pbase.com/4dabirds/image/113671892 > > I thought it freshly emerged because of wing position. Despite it > being on my website for months, as well as an ID inquiry on > BugGuide, I still am unsure of it's identity. It was located on a > trail bisecting meadows and mixed woods several acres from water at > the Beaver Lake Nature Center near Baldwinsville in Onondaga County, > NY. > > Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. > > Yvonne Merriam > ymerriamphoto AT yahoo.com > > Photo galleries may be viewed by clicking: > > http://www.pbase.com/4dabirds > > > .-- Dennis Paulson 1724 NE 98 St. Seattle, WA 98115 206-528-1382 dennispaulson AT comcast.net Subject: Clubtail ID? From: Y Mer <ymerriamphoto AT yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:17:18 -0700 (PDT) I am hoping for any help in identification of what I think is a Gomphus sp. that I found in Central NY in June. Instead of posting the pic here, I am linking to my galleries for a close-up view (please click on Original size format just below the image at pbase). http://www.pbase.com/4dabirds/image/113671892 I thought it freshly emerged because of wing position. Despite it being on my website for months, as well as an ID inquiry on BugGuide, I still am unsure of it's identity. It was located on a trail bisecting meadows and mixed woods several acres from water at the Beaver Lake Nature Center near Baldwinsville in Onondaga County, NY. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Yvonne Merriam ymerriamphoto AT yahoo.com Photo galleries may be viewed by clicking: http://www.pbase.com/4dabirds Subject: Re: Identification help From: opihi AT mindspring.com Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:27:49 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Identification help [4 Attachments] From: "Hunts" <hph1 AT atlanticbb.net> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 20:42:39 -0400 Hi, I was wondering if anyone might be able to help with the identification of this dragonfly. I took these photos last Sunday, October 4, in Talbot County, Maryland. There were a number of these fellows in a marshy area at a small cove at the edge of the Chesapeake Bay. When I first saw the red abdomens, I thought they were a species of meadowhawk (Sympetrum spp.). But, when I looked more closely and saw the green face, blue eyes, and brown/green of the thorax and shoulders, I wasn't sure what they were. Hopefully I'm providing photos from enough angles (and with good enough quality) to assist with identification. Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks! Harry Hunt Johnstown, PA Subject: Re: Late season Swamp Darner and County records ... From: Blair Nikula <odenews AT odenews.org> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:53:04 -0400 County records for Massachusetts are on the Ode News web site at: http://www.odenews.org/county1.htm I believe this list is up to date, but if anyone notes any omissions, please let me know. Unfortunately, to my knowledge, no one is tracking early and late dates in Massachusetts, though some of that information can be gleaned from past issues of Ode News. I'm not aware of any October Swamp Darner records in MA. County and flight dates for Connecticut are at: http://ghostmoth.eeb.uconn.edu/dragons/records.pdf This apparently was last updated in May, 2007. The late date they have listed for Swamp Darner is 14 October. There is also a 7 October record from CT. So, Michelle's bug, although certainly very late, is not quite record late for southern New England (though it may be for RI). I assume similar data was collected for the Rhode Island Atlas a few years ago, but, unfortunately, this data has not yet been published (to my knowledge). Blair Nikula At 10:04 PM 10/4/2009, Quackenbush, J Kevin wrote: > > >Michelle … most excellent. And, your question >about the possibility of a record date touches >on another question, which perhaps someone among >the group can answer … be it for Rhode Island or >Massachusetts … i.e. who maintains and/or where >might I (we) obtain a listing of Ode’s by county >for each State … and, e.g. early/late dates ? > >I re-call seeing something like this in past Ode >News (Blair, if you’re reading … well missed), >but have not stumbled on that info anywhere else. > > > >Any assistance much appreciated ! > >Regards all, > >Quack > > > >From: NEodes AT yahoogroups.com >[mailto:NEodes AT yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michelle St.Sauveur >Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 5:50 AM >To: NEodes AT yahoogroups.com >Subject: [NEodes] Late season Swamp Darner > > > > > >On Friday 10/2/09 I photographed a female Swamp >Darner (Epiaeschna heros) at Trustom Pond >National Wildlife Refuge in South Kingstown, >Rhode Island. According to my field guides, the >normal flight season of this species runs >through to about early September. I'm wondering >if anyone knows if this is a record late date for A. heros. > >Here's a link to the photo ... > >http://picasaweb.google.com/michellelynnsts/EpiaeschnaHerosSwampDarner# > >Michelle St.Sauveur >Coventry, RI > > >---------- >*** Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, >including any associated or attached files, is >intended solely for the individual or entity to >which it is addressed. This e-mail is >confidential and may well also be legally >privileged. If you have received it in error, >you are on notice of its status. Please notify >the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then >delete this message from your system. Please do >not copy it or use it for any purposes, or >disclose its contents to any other person. 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If you go to this link, his website, and scroll to the bottom left, click on the link that says: Recent Videos Mate recognition and mating... http://www.bugaddiction.com/ I hope this works for you all. Sue G. -- John and Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett,NY 14818-9626 Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/ "Conserve and Create Habitat" Subject: Re: Late season Swamp Darner and County records ... From: opihi AT mindspring.com Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 22:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Late season Swamp Darner and County records ... From: "Quackenbush, J Kevin" <jquacken AT foxboro.com> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 22:04:46 -0400 Michelle ... most excellent. And, your question about the possibility of a record date touches on another question, which perhaps someone among the group can answer ... be it for Rhode Island or Massachusetts ... i.e. who maintains and/or where might I (we) obtain a listing of Ode's by county for each State ... and, e.g. early/late dates ? I re-call seeing something like this in past Ode News (Blair, if you're reading ... well missed), but have not stumbled on that info anywhere else. Any assistance much appreciated ! Regards all, Quack ________________________________ From: NEodes AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:NEodes AT yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michelle St.Sauveur Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 5:50 AM To: NEodes AT yahoogroups.com Subject: [NEodes] Late season Swamp Darner On Friday 10/2/09 I photographed a female Swamp Darner (Epiaeschna heros) at Trustom Pond National Wildlife Refuge in South Kingstown, Rhode Island. According to my field guides, the normal flight season of this species runs through to about early September. I'm wondering if anyone knows if this is a record late date for A. heros. Here's a link to the photo ... http://picasaweb.google.com/michellelynnsts/EpiaeschnaHerosSwampDarner# Michelle St.Sauveur Coventry, RI *** Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any associated or attached files, is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. This email comes from a division of the Invensys Group, owned by Invensys plc, which is a company registered in England and Wales with its registered office at Portland House, Bressenden Place, London, SW1E 5BF (Registered number 166023). For a list of European legal entities within the Invensys Group, please go to http://www.invensys.com/legal/default.asp?top_nav_id=77&nav_id=80&prev_id=77. You may contact Invensys plc on +44 (0)20 7821 3848 or e-mail inet.hqhelpdesk AT invensys.com. This e-mail and any attachments thereto may be subject to the terms of any agreements between Invensys (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates) and the recipient (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates). Subject: Epiaeshna heros From: "John and Sue Gregoire" <khmo AT empacc.net> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:38:37 -0400 That's a great photo. Superb job on the focal point. And yes, this is way late. It got me thinking: I watched 4 E. heros ovipositing in wet logs in a small woodland pond this summer (end of June). The water level has dropped steadily since then. Am I correct in thinking that the eggs won't hatch until the water level comes back up in the spring and submerges these logs? I have two exuviae I collected on 8 August one year and they are huge, much larger than Anax junius (Green Darner). So do they do all their growing in the spring and summer or do they take two years to mature? I suspect the latter. Anyone know? Sue G. -- John and Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett,NY 14818-9626 Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/ "Conserve and Create Habitat" Subject: Re: Late season Swamp Darner From: Earle Baldwin <earlebaldwin AT gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 09:38:50 -0400 an unusual look in this remarkable photo, This is wonderful On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 5:50 AM, Michelle St.Sauveur wrote: > > > On Friday 10/2/09 I photographed a female Swamp Darner (Epiaeschna heros) > at Trustom Pond National Wildlife Refuge in South Kingstown, Rhode Island. > According to my field guides, the normal flight season of this species runs > through to about early September. I'm wondering if anyone knows if this is a > record late date for A. heros. > > Here's a link to the photo ... > > http://picasaweb.google.com/michellelynnsts/EpiaeschnaHerosSwampDarner# > > Michelle St.Sauveur > Coventry, RI > > > Subject: Late season Swamp Darner From: "Michelle St.Sauveur" <bittern AT verizon.net> Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 09:50:21 -0000 On Friday 10/2/09 I photographed a female Swamp Darner (Epiaeschna heros) at Trustom Pond National Wildlife Refuge in South Kingstown, Rhode Island. According to my field guides, the normal flight season of this species runs through to about early September. I'm wondering if anyone knows if this is a record late date for A. heros. Here's a link to the photo ... http://picasaweb.google.com/michellelynnsts/EpiaeschnaHerosSwampDarner# Michelle St.Sauveur Coventry, RI Subject: Re: Lestes From: "Steve Walter" <swalter15 AT verizon.net> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:11:44 -0400 I'm curious about your spreadwing's habitat. I know of a population that lingers through September on Long Island, on a large sand bottomed lake. (I go to this lake to see the only known Sympetrum costiferum population in southern New York). The spreadwings here took me by surprise when I first encountered them, because they were obviously not the species that are typical of this season (rectangularis, congener, forcipatus) and they were pruinose. Their large size and terminal appendages suggested Swamp (vigilax) (and in fact, I do have pictures from this site of individuals showing traces of green on the thorax). I surmised that Swamp is very slow in attaining pruinosity. In most places they may die off without becoming pruinose, but this population persisted long enough to do so. I posted images several years through this forum and the general thought was this it was Swamp. Steve Walter Bayside, NY ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Price To: Dennis Paulson Cc: NEodes group Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [NEodes] Lestes Thank you very much, Dennis. My initial thought was Swamp, but then I questioned the shape of the basal plate and the fact that she's ovipositing alone (not sure how variable those traits are). I believe Amber-winged are no longer flying in my neck of the woods, but I suppose that's variable too. Has anyone seen Amber-winged this late in the season in MA or anywhere in New England? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Dennis Paulson To: Steven Price Cc: NE Odes Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:52:53 PM Subject: Re: [NEodes] Lestes Steve, The tricolored eyes make me wonder if it might be Swamp or Elegant. I've never seen a female of either with pruinose thorax, but spreadwings definitely vary in that characteristic in both males and females. Mature Sweetflag and Northern females can have either striped or solidly pruinose thorax, and maybe this can occur in other species. The dark tibiae might eliminate Elegant, making Swamp more likely. But I think Amber-winged should be considered as a possibility also, as male Amber-winged develop a very pruinose thorax, unlike both Swamp and Elegant. I'm not sure if the wings are too unpigmented to be that species, but all the darned spreadwings vary. I don't think any other species can have yellow on the ventral surface of the eyes, but perhaps that is variable too! Identifying it might depend on others in your part of the world having evidence of pruinose females in any of those species. If yours is the first, ID may be difficult or impossible, which is a shame. Dennis On Sep 30, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Steven Price wrote: Oops, I forgot the link. There are 6 images in all. The other five are to the right of this one: http://picasaweb. google.com/ eggshapedcat/ Damselflies# 5387310404940869 394 . ----- Dennis Paulson 1724 NE 98 St. Seattle, WA 98115 206-528-1382 dennispaulson AT comcast.net Subject: Re: Lestes From: Steven Price <eggshapedcat AT yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Thank you very much, Dennis.  My initial thought was Swamp, but then I questioned the shape of the basal plate and the fact that she's ovipositing alone (not sure how variable those traits are).  I believe Amber-winged are no longer flying in my neck of the woods, but I suppose that's variable too.  Has anyone seen Amber-winged this late in the season in MA or anywhere in New England? ________________________________ From: Dennis Paulson To: Steven Price Cc: NE Odes Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:52:53 PM Subject: Re: [NEodes] Lestes   Steve, The tricolored eyes make me wonder if it might be Swamp or Elegant. I've never seen a female of either with pruinose thorax, but spreadwings definitely vary in that characteristic in both males and females. Mature Sweetflag and Northern females can have either striped or solidly pruinose thorax, and maybe this can occur in other species. The dark tibiae might eliminate Elegant, making Swamp more likely. But I think Amber-winged should be considered as a possibility also, as male Amber-winged develop a very pruinose thorax, unlike both Swamp and Elegant. I'm not sure if the wings are too unpigmented to be that species, but all the darned spreadwings vary. I don't think any other species can have yellow on the ventral surface of the eyes, but perhaps that is variable too! Identifying it might depend on others in your part of the world having evidence of pruinose females in any of those species. If yours is the first, ID may be difficult or impossible, which is a shame. Dennis On Sep 30, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Steven Price wrote: > >Oops, I forgot the link.  There are 6 images in all.  The other five are to the right of this one: >http://picasaweb. google.com/ eggshapedcat/ Damselflies# 5387310404940869 394 >.  > ----- Dennis Paulson 1724 NE 98 St. Seattle, WA 98115 206-528-1382 dennispaulson AT comcast.net Subject: Re: Lestes From: Dennis Paulson <dennispaulson AT comcast.net> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:52:53 -0700 Steve, The tricolored eyes make me wonder if it might be Swamp or Elegant. I've never seen a female of either with pruinose thorax, but spreadwings definitely vary in that characteristic in both males and females. Mature Sweetflag and Northern females can have either striped or solidly pruinose thorax, and maybe this can occur in other species. The dark tibiae might eliminate Elegant, making Swamp more likely. But I think Amber-winged should be considered as a possibility also, as male Amber-winged develop a very pruinose thorax, unlike both Swamp and Elegant. I'm not sure if the wings are too unpigmented to be that species, but all the darned spreadwings vary. I don't think any other species can have yellow on the ventral surface of the eyes, but perhaps that is variable too! Identifying it might depend on others in your part of the world having evidence of pruinose females in any of those species. If yours is the first, ID may be difficult or impossible, which is a shame. Dennis On Sep 30, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Steven Price wrote: > > Oops, I forgot the link. There are 6 images in all. The other five > are to the right of this one: > http://picasaweb.google.com/eggshapedcat/Damselflies#5387310404940869394 > . > > ----- Dennis Paulson 1724 NE 98 St. Seattle, WA 98115 206-528-1382 dennispaulson AT comcast.net Subject: Lestes From: Steven Price <eggshapedcat AT yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Oops, I forgot the link.  There are 6 images in all.  The other five are to the right of this one: http://picasaweb.google.com/eggshapedcat/Damselflies#5387310404940869394 Subject: Lestes From: Steven Price <eggshapedcat AT yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:33:41 -0700 (PDT) Hello everyone,   I had an interesting Lestes (Spreadwing) yesterday 29 SEPT 2009 in Devens, MA (Middlesex Co).  She was ovipositing solo, but certainly appeared to be anything but L. rectangularis (Slender Spreadwing).  I still have to pour over all of my books, but in the meantime, any thoughts and opinions would be greatly appreciated.  Here's what I've noticed so far: * S7 - very long, I would say longer than ovipositor * If you enlarge the last image, I think you can make out a blunt tip on the basal plate of the ovipositor * Enough pruinosity for several female Lestes * Ovipositing solo * Appears to have dark vein on wing tips As always, thank you to all who take their time to help! Steve Subject: Re: ID Help From: Allen Barlow <allenb.cwf AT gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:18:24 -0400 I would agree with Glenn that this is an Aeshna verticlis (Green-striped Darner) female and that it is rather aged given the darkend wings. Very good photos and a big help for ID. Regards, Allen Barlow Budd Lake, New Jersey On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Gregory P. Sargeant MS Ed. BCBA < sargeguy AT earthlink.net> wrote: > > > I need help IDing this one: > > http://picasaweb.google.com/sargeguy.RI/Insects#5385938540595986146 > > http://picasaweb.google.com/sargeguy.RI/Insects#5385937760287614258 > > To my untrained eye its a darner, but I cannot match it to anything in my > guide. > > Thanks > > > -- Allen Subject: Fw: ID Help From: Glenn Corbiere <gcorbiere AT dragonhunter.net> Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:57:18 -0700 (PDT)   Glenn Corbiere 100 Prospect St. Chester, MA. 01011-9657 www.dragonhunter.net ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Glenn Corbiere To: Gregory P. Sargeant MS Ed. BCBA Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:56:33 PM Subject: Re: [NEodes] ID Help Hello Gregory, It looks like Aeshna verticalis (Green-striped Darner) to my eyes - a heteromorphic female (cerci are missing or severely truncated - from that and the wing color, she has some miles on her!).  Nice photos there, and a helpful selection of angles! Oh, an Best Regards, Glenn   Glenn Corbiere 100 Prospect St. Chester, MA. 01011-9657 www.dragonhunter.net ________________________________ From: Gregory P. Sargeant MS Ed. BCBA To: NEodes AT yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:02:46 PM Subject: [NEodes] ID Help   I need help IDing this one:   http://picasaweb. google.com/ sargeguy. RI/Insects# 5385938540595986 146   http://picasaweb. google.com/ sargeguy. RI/Insects# 5385937760287614 258   To my untrained eye its a darner, but I cannot match it to anything in my guide. Thanks Subject: ID Help From: "Gregory P. Sargeant MS Ed. BCBA" <sargeguy AT earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 23:02:46 -0400 I need help IDing this one: http://picasaweb.google.com/sargeguy.RI/Insects#5385938540595986146 http://picasaweb.google.com/sargeguy.RI/Insects#5385937760287614258 To my untrained eye its a darner, but I cannot match it to anything in my guide. Thanks Subject: Re: Interspecies mating From: "Steve Walter" <swalter15 AT verizon.net> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:15:14 -0400 Some of you may recall that early in the summer I reported a male Martha's Pennant (Celithemis martha) with a female Double-ringed Pennant (Celithemis verna). There were no signs of rejection here. Steve Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Moul To: NEodes AT yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 7:14 PM Subject: [NEodes] Interspecies mating [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Bob Moul included below] The thread on interspecies mating reminded me that earlier this summer, as I was photographing a Dot-tailed Whiteface (Leucorrhinia intacta), a Blue Dasher (Pachydiplax longipennis) came diving in and hooked up briefly. She was having none of it though and after a few more tries the Dasher left rejected and dejected. See attachment. -- Best, Bob Bob Moul (N8urePix AT Comcast.net) Adams County, PA USA "PROTECTING NATURE THROUGH EDUCATION" Photo Galleries: http://www.pbase.com/rcm1840 http://bob.moul.oiseaux.net/index.en.html Subject: Fw: ID Help From: Glenn Corbiere <gcorbiere AT dragonhunter.net> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:12:41 -0700 (PDT)   Glenn Corbiere 100 Prospect St. Chester, MA. 01011-9657 www.dragonhunter.net ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Glenn Corbiere To: Ginny Alfano Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:06:44 PM Subject: Re: [NEodes] ID Help [4 Attachments] Hi Ginny, Tough angles you have there for IDs! Nevertheless, I think they're both the same species.  I would say a male and female Aeshna umbrosa - the Shadow Darner. Glenn   Glenn Corbiere 100 Prospect St. Chester, MA. 01011-9657 www.dragonhunter.net ________________________________ From: Ginny Alfano To: neodes AT yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:21:58 PM Subject: [NEodes] ID Help [4 Attachments]   [Attachment(s) from Ginny Alfano included below] Hi Everyone, I'm hoping someone can help me with my dragon ID or ID's.  The first two photos of the same dragon were taken a week ago Sunday.  I know the photos look the same, but the clarity may be better in one then the other.  The second set of photos were taken this past Sunday - again two photos for clarity reasons.  At first I thought this weeks dragon was the same as last weeks, but now I'm not sure. Can anyone help me with either an ID or ID's? Thank you so much!    Ginny Alfano Canastota & Constableville, NY     "The last word in ignorance is the man who says of an animal or plant: 'What good is it?'"   Aldo Leopold - A Sand County Almanac Subject: ID Help [4 Attachments] From: Ginny Alfano <jgalfano AT yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:21:58 -0700 (PDT) Hi Everyone, I'm hoping someone can help me with my dragon ID or ID's.  The first two photos of the same dragon were taken a week ago Sunday.  I know the photos look the same, but the clarity may be better in one then the other.  The second set of photos were taken this past Sunday - again two photos for clarity reasons.  At first I thought this weeks dragon was the same as last weeks, but now I'm not sure. Can anyone help me with either an ID or ID's?   Thank you so much!    Ginny Alfano Canastota & Constableville, NY     "The last word in ignorance is the man who says of an animal or plant: 'What good is it?'"   Aldo Leopold - A Sand County Almanac Subject: Re: Identification Help Requested From: Glenn Corbiere <gcorbiere AT dragonhunter.net> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:47:22 -0700 (PDT) Hi Harry, That is a female Dusky Dancer (Argia translata) Here is another photo: http://www.dragonhunter.net/argia_translata_f.html Welcome to NEodes! Best Wishes, Glenn   Glenn Corbiere 100 Prospect St. Chester, MA. 01011-9657 www.dragonhunter.net ________________________________ From: Hunts To: NE Odes Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 5:04:41 PM Subject: [NEodes] Identification Help Requested [2 Attachments]   [Attachment(s) from Hunts included below] Hi,   This is my first time posting to the group.  I was wondering if anyone has any thoughts on what species this damselfly might be.   I shot these photos at 11:18 a.m. on August 18, 2009, on the Greenbrier River Trail, near the Anthony Trail Head, Greenbrier County, West Virginia.  This was about 25 or 30 yards from the Greenbrier River.    Other species that I found there at that time were Powdered Dancers (Argia moesta) and Black-shouldered Spineylegs (Dromogomphus spinosus).  These two species were actually one rocks down at the river's edge.   Thank you.   Harry Hunt Johnstown, PA Subject: Odes in Hillsborough NH Sunday From: "PAMELA HUNT" <biodiva AT myfairpoint.net> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:23:22 -0400 Greetings all, Martha Reinhardt, Nancy Rideout, and I spent yesterday afternoon searching for odonates in the town of Hillsborough, NH (northwest corner of Hillsborough County). It was an absolutely perfect day, and roughly between 12 and 4:30 we found the following 23 species. The ironic thing is that this is one of my higher one-day totals all year, and here it was in a single afternoon 2/3 of the way through September... We mostly visited three sites: 1) a neat shallow pond off Bear Hill Road on the south side of the Contoocook (also home to 2 bitterns!), 2) the Contoocook River itself in the same area, where a small stream enters at the town athletic fields 3) Farrar Marsh WMA in the northeast corner of town. American Rubyspot (Hetaerina americana) - one male briefly perched on a sandbar on the Contoocook Spotted Spreadwing (Lestes congener) - common throughout Northern Spreadwing (L. disjunctus) - here and there Slender Spreadwing (L. rectangularis) - a couple Variable Dancer (Argia fumipennis) - several at Farrar Marsh Powdered Dancer (A. moesta) - a couple on the river Azure Bluet (Enallagma aspersum) - a couple the pond (our only bluets) Eastern Forktail (Ischnura verticalis) - a handful at the pond, surprisingly scarce Canada Darber (Aeshna canadensis) - here and there Lance-tipped Darner (A. constricta) - female at the pond Black-tipped Darner (A. tuberculifera) - a few at Farrar Marsh Green-striped Darner (A. verticalis) - fairly common, with two on the walk out from Mud Pond, and more at the unnamed pond Fawn Darner (Boyeria vinosa) - several along the Contoocook Dragonhunter (Hagenius brevistylus) - one perched on a rock in the Contoocook Zebra Clubtail (Stylurus scudderi) - a least two along the Contoocook, including some great looks at one perched on a sandbar Arrow Clubtail (S. spiniceps) - at least 2 along the Contoocook, including an ovipositing female. This is a new most-upstream site along the Contoocook for this species Swift River Cruiser (Macromia illinoiensis) - one along the river (getting quite late!) Slaty Skimmer (Libellula incesta) - one male at the small pond Twelve-spotted Skimmer (L. pulchella) - as above Cherry-faced Meadowhawk (Sympetrum internum) - a few here and there White-faced Meadowhawk (S. obtrusum) - male at small pond Band-winged Meadowhawk (S. semicinctum) - tandem pair at Farrar Marsh Autumn Meadowhawk (S. vicinum) - by far the most abundant bug out there. Literally hundreds were ovipositiing at the unnamed pond, and lots in other places as well. So the equinox may be looming, but a good diversity of bugs is still flying - enjoy them while you can! Pam Hunt Penacook, NH Subject: Interspecies mating [1 Attachment] From: Bob Moul <n8urepix AT comcast.net> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:14:24 -0400 The thread on interspecies mating reminded me that earlier this summer, as I was photographing a Dot-tailed Whiteface (Leucorrhinia intacta), a Blue Dasher (Pachydiplax longipennis) came diving in and hooked up briefly. She was having none of it though and after a few more tries the Dasher left rejected and dejected. See attachment. -- Best, Bob Bob Moul (N8urePix AT Comcast.net) Adams County, PA USA "PROTECTING NATURE THROUGH EDUCATION" Photo Galleries: http://www.pbase.com/rcm1840 http://bob.moul.oiseaux.net/index.en.html Subject: Re: Interspecies Aeshna mating wheel (?) From: Dennis Paulson <dennispaulson AT comcast.net> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:26:06 -0700 In my experience, male Aeshna seem willing to attempt to mate with any female Aeshna they come across, their own species or not; Rhionaeschna may do the same. Usually the female rejects an inappropriate "advance" immediately, presumably because the appendages don't feel quite right, but very often even though she won't copulate, he won't let her go, and I think this is responsible for some of the times you see Aeshna flying around in tandem. Often such attempts generate such a flurry of rejection that the two individuals fall out of the air onto the water or into the vegetation. I have found drowned pairs apparently resulting from these interspecific attempts. I think you would have to use other characters to be sure that female was Green-striped rather than Canada. So far, I have never found a mismated pair that went into full wheel position, but I suppose it happens. I don't think there are any documented records of definite hybrids in this group, not that it would be the easiest thing to detect! Dennis On Sep 21, 2009, at 1:50 PM, Glenn Corbiere wrote: > To answer your second question, here's a picture of a green form > Canada Darner. > http://www.dragonhunter.net/a_canadensis_f.html > > I don't know if A. canadensis could breed with A. verticalis and > produce viable offspring, but it wouldn't surprise me to hear that > they could. > > Glenn > > Glenn Corbiere > 100 Prospect St. > Chester, MA. 01011-9657 > > www.dragonhunter.net > From: Tom Young > To: neodes AT yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 4:34:40 PM > Subject: [NEodes] Interspecies Aeshna mating wheel (?) > > Yesterday, while poking around a beaver pond here in Merrimack, > NH, I netted a flying pair of Aeshna darners that were in the mating > position. Having extracted them from the net, I was able to identify > the male as a Canada Darner (Aeshna canadensis); the species is > quite common around here, and this individual was known by the shape > of the blue lateral thoracic stripes as well as the yellow spot > between them. But then I was surprised to see the female: her > thoracic stripes were entirely green, as were the spots on her > abdomen; she had no blue coloration on her body at all. There was no > sign of a yellow spot between the thoracic stripes. Evidently, she > was a Green-striped Darner (Aeshna verticalis). > And now my questions: Are interspecies pairs known in Aeshna? > Aeshna canadensis and A. verticalis certainly looksimilar, but can > they interbreed and produce fertile offspring? Or am I on the wrong > track entirely, and is there a "green form" female Canada Darner (A. > canadensis)? I've never knowingly seen one, nor do I recall any > mention of such a thing in the literature, although I have seen > quite a few "green form" Lance-tipped (A. constricta), Variable (A. > interrupta), and Mottled (A. clepsydra) Darners. > I would, of course, welcome any thoughts on this. > > Tom Young > Merrimack, NH > rustysnaketail AT yahoo.com > > > ----- Dennis Paulson 1724 NE 98 St. Seattle, WA 98115 206-528-1382 dennispaulson AT comcast.net Subject: Identification Help Requested [2 Attachments] From: "Hunts" <hph1 AT atlanticbb.net> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:04:41 -0400 Hi, This is my first time posting to the group. I was wondering if anyone has any thoughts on what species this damselfly might be. I shot these photos at 11:18 a.m. on August 18, 2009, on the Greenbrier River Trail, near the Anthony Trail Head, Greenbrier County, West Virginia. This was about 25 or 30 yards from the Greenbrier River. Other species that I found there at that time were Powdered Dancers (Argia moesta) and Black-shouldered Spineylegs (Dromogomphus spinosus). These two species were actually one rocks down at the river's edge. Thank you. Harry Hunt Johnstown, PA Subject: Re: Interspecies Aeshna mating wheel (?) From: Glenn Corbiere <gcorbiere AT dragonhunter.net> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:50:12 -0700 (PDT) To answer your second question, here's a picture of a green form Canada Darner. http://www.dragonhunter.net/a_canadensis_f.html I don't know if A. canadensis could breed with A. verticalis and produce viable offspring, but it wouldn't surprise me to hear that they could. Glenn Glenn Corbiere 100 Prospect St. Chester, MA. 01011-9657 www.dragonhunter.net ________________________________ From: Tom Young To: neodes AT yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 4:34:40 PM Subject: [NEodes] Interspecies Aeshna mating wheel (?)      Yesterday, while poking around a beaver pond here in Merrimack, NH, I netted a flying pair of Aeshna darners that were in the mating position. Having extracted them from the net, I was able to identify the male as a Canada Darner (Aeshna canadensis); the species is quite common around here, and this individual was known by the shape of the blue lateral thoracic stripes as well as the yellow spot between them. But then I was surprised to see the female: her thoracic stripes were entirely green, as were the spots on her abdomen; she had no blue coloration on her body at all. There was no sign of a yellow spot between the thoracic stripes. Evidently, she was a Green-striped Darner (Aeshna verticalis).    And now my questions: Are interspecies pairs known in Aeshna? Aeshna canadensis and A. verticalis certainly look similar, but can they interbreed and produce fertile offspring? Or am I on the wrong track entirely, and is there a "green form" female Canada Darner (A. canadensis)? I've never knowingly seen one, nor do I recall any mention of such a thing in the literature, although I have seen quite a few "green form" Lance-tipped (A. constricta), Variable (A. interrupta), and Mottled (A. clepsydra) Darners.    I would, of course, welcome any thoughts on this. Tom Young Merrimack, NH rustysnaketail AT yahoo.com Subject: Interspecies Aeshna mating wheel (?) From: Tom Young <rustysnaketail AT yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:34:40 -0700 (PDT)    Yesterday, while poking around a beaver pond here in Merrimack, NH, I netted a flying pair of Aeshna darners that were in the mating position. Having extracted them from the net, I was able to identify the male as a Canada Darner (Aeshna canadensis); the species is quite common around here, and this individual was known by the shape of the blue lateral thoracic stripes as well as the yellow spot between them. But then I was surprised to see the female: her thoracic stripes were entirely green, as were the spots on her abdomen; she had no blue coloration on her body at all. There was no sign of a yellow spot between the thoracic stripes. Evidently, she was a Green-striped Darner (Aeshna verticalis).    And now my questions: Are interspecies pairs known in Aeshna? Aeshna canadensis and A. verticalis certainly look similar, but can they interbreed and produce fertile offspring? Or am I on the wrong track entirely, and is there a "green form" female Canada Darner (A. canadensis)? I've never knowingly seen one, nor do I recall any mention of such a thing in the literature, although I have seen quite a few "green form" Lance-tipped (A. constricta), Variable (A. interrupta), and Mottled (A. clepsydra) Darners.    I would, of course, welcome any thoughts on this.     Tom Young Merrimack, NH rustysnaketail AT yahoo.com Subject: Ae. subarctica From: "D W Bridgehouse" <d.bridgehouse AT ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 11:01:44 -0300 John & Sue and all - on the Labor Day weekend here in Nova Scotia a fellow res assoc and I from the NSM of Nat History visited a bog in eastern Hants County looking for late summer /early fall flying odes. Turns out we may have taken county records for Ae. subarctica which were plenty , Ae. sitchensis and also Somatochlora incurvata. Waiting to talk to Paul Brunelle our Ode /ADIP keeper of records. Your thread is what got me thinking that perhaps your mystery Somat might indeed be _incurvata_ as they are a peatland bog species . I don't know how uncommon they are in NY state ?? But this time of year I always cant help from hoping that I might bag the elusive Somat brevicincta . We were fortunate to get the incurvata "in cop". So when in the bog - "tread lightly & carry a big net " Derek Bridgehouse in Nova Scotia Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:48:18 -0400 From: John and Sue Gregoire Subject: [NEodes] Aeshna subartica [1 Attachment] 'Tis the season! While all else is winding down, the Aeshnas continue to provide thrills and chills. On Wednesday, we and Fred Sibley scoured a bog in Chenango County, NY, for Aeshna subartica (Subartic Darner) and any other Odonates we could find. This species has an historic but elusive past in this southern part of the Northeast, with this location being only one of a few in the state. It was chilly and pretty cloudy when we arrived and we had to wait for better conditions before sun and warmth brought out any activity. We used that time to carefully wend our way across the very wet and unreliable sphagnum mat to choice spots near the waterline, secure a position, and poise ourselves for action. Here I have to brag that, being about 50 pounds lighter than John or Fred I was able to traverse the wettest areas without falling through (except for once, fortunately when neither of them was looking). It took a while, sifting through many A. canadensis (Canada darners) but Fred finally caught a male A. subartica. We stayed longer, and were treated to overflying passes by an unknown Somatachlora (Emerald) and a male Anax longipes (Comet darner). As the sun began to wane and we picked our way back to solid ground, quite a few Aeshnas took to the brushline along the still sunny northeastern edge of the bog, preparing for evening roost. We headed home to do the same. Sue G. -- John and Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett,NY 14818-9626 Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/ ****************** Derek W. Bridgehouse 85 Prince Albert Rd. Dartmouth, NS B2Y 1M1 CANADA d.bridgehouse AT ns.sympatico.ca Subject: Aeshna subartica [1 Attachment] From: "John and Sue Gregoire" <khmo AT empacc.net> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:48:18 -0400 'Tis the season! While all else is winding down, the Aeshnas continue to provide thrills and chills. On Wednesday, we and Fred Sibley scoured a bog in Chenango County, NY, for Aeshna subartica (Subartic Darner) and any other Odonates we could find. This species has an historic but elusive past in this southern part of the Northeast, with this location being only one of a few in the state. It was chilly and pretty cloudy when we arrived and we had to wait for better conditions before sun and warmth brought out any activity. We used that time to carefully wend our way across the very wet and unreliable sphagnum mat to choice spots near the waterline, secure a position, and poise ourselves for action. Here I have to brag that, being about 50 pounds lighter than John or Fred I was able to traverse the wettest areas without falling through (except for once, fortunately when neither of them was looking). It took a while, sifting through many A. canadensis (Canada darners) but Fred finally caught a male A. subartica. We stayed longer, and were treated to overflying passes by an unknown Somatachlora (Emerald) and a male Anax longipes (Comet darner). As the sun began to wane and we picked our way back to solid ground, quite a few Aeshnas took to the brushline along the still sunny northeastern edge of the bog, preparing for evening roost. We headed home to do the same. Sue G. -- John and Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett,NY 14818-9626 Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/ "Conserve and Create Habitat" Subject: Zigzag Darner, Aeshna sitchensis in Southern Ontario From: "D&Y Bree" <dbree AT kos.net> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:55:16 -0400 Hi All Observations here in Prince Edward County, Ontario might mean there is an "irruption" of this northern species into the south this fall. Prince Edward County is the bit that hangs down south into Lake Ontario - easy to see on any map. The south-east corner is called Prince Edward Point and on Monday Sept 14 Bruce Ripley caught and photo documented a male Aeshna sitchensis at this location. This was the first time this species has been recorded in southern Ontario to my knowledge. The nearest known colony, itself a southern outlier of the main popluation base, is on Manitoulin Island 450 kilometres to the NW. Bruce collected this indivdual as a voucher specimen. On Wednesday Sept 16 I caught and photo-doumented a male Aeshna sitchensis at Point Petre, the south-west corner of Prince Edward County, 26 kilometres west from the first record. This location also had about 1000 Green Darners and a handful of other Aeshna, a not unusual situation for this location at this time. So one would be an exciting vagrant, does two make an irruption? If you live along the Lake Ontario shoreline or other areas where migrating darners it might be worth while to keep your eyes open for small Aeshna that like to perch on the ground. David Bree Bloomfield, Ontario Subject: Re: Newbie pictures From: "mary b. ffolliott" <luckydogfarm AT earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:30:19 -0400 The very large fly is tabanus autumnalis - Large Marsh horsefly. The eyes are as big as Kim Jong Il sunglasses! Sissy ffolliott Lucky Dog Farm Ipswich MA On Sep 14, 2009, at 9:56 PM, Gregory P. Sargeant MS Ed. BCBA wrote: > > Like Simon I am a birder who has recently become interested in > Dragonflies. I have an 8 month old daughter, who has drastically > curtailed my birding activity. Since I couldn't get to to the > shore much, I started birding my local power line cut during my > lunch hour. There weren't a lot of birds but I did find lots of > interesting butterflies and dragonflies which has piued my > interest. I have started an album here: > > http://picasaweb.google.com/sargeguy.RI/Insects# > > Any help with the IDs would be much appreciated, > Thanks, > > Greg Sargeant > Providence, RI > > > > > > Subject: Newbie pictures From: "Gregory P. Sargeant MS Ed. BCBA" <sargeguy AT earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:56:57 -0400 Like Simon I am a birder who has recently become interested in Dragonflies. I have an 8 month old daughter, who has drastically curtailed my birding activity. Since I couldn't get to to the shore much, I started birding my local power line cut during my lunch hour. There weren't a lot of birds but I did find lots of interesting butterflies and dragonflies which has piued my interest. I have started an album here: http://picasaweb.google.com/sargeguy.RI/Insects# Any help with the IDs would be much appreciated, Thanks, Greg Sargeant Providence, RI Subject: Identification queries From: Simon Tickle <simontickle AT yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 11:00:05 +0000 (GMT) Hi NEodes, I need some help identifying some odonata and would value your opinions. I have started a blog about dragonflies in response to the adherents on my bird blog complaining that I should "stick to the birds" and stop posting odonata pictures. More than anything, I value accuracy and would hate to post anything that was incorrect. For that reason, I hope that you might take a look at www.redgannetsdragonflies.blogspot.com Also, www.redgannet.blogspot.com where some pictures are mixed in amongst the birdies. Any input from NEodes would be especially pertinent as a couple of posts have been from your area. If you are able to offer any feedback as comments, that would be great. Otherwise return e-mail here. My g-mail account is innaccessible as we speak. Thank you very much. simontickle AT yahoo.co.uk rsvp thankyou Subject: Halloween Pennant - Celithemis eponina [2 Attachments] From: sleitkam AT yahoo.com Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:22:20 -0700 (PDT) A few days ago I was walking through a wet meadow type area near my home photographing pollinators and other things of interest. It was dusk, as I was working myself towards my car, when I spotted a male Halloween Pennant - Celithemis eponina perched on some vegetation. After taking a few pictures it became apparent to me that the dragonfly was asleep. I played around with various angels, as well as different degrees of flash. I'm not meaning to sound boastful, but I'm pleased with some of the effects. There's definitely some exposure problems in some of the images, but I'm still glad I had the opportunity to get such close-ups. During the day I can sometimes approach them, but never to this degree. I've placed 20 of the images in the photos section in 'Steve's Pics' if you'd care to take a look, plus I'm attaching a few as well. I hope you enjoy them. Steve Subject: Re: Another example of predator becoming prey From: June Tveekrem <damselfly AT southernspreadwing.com> Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:29:14 -0400 I think it's a great photo. Dragonflies being preyed upon isn't "dragonfly-unfriendly"; it's just part of nature. I have several photos of one odonate eating another odonate. June -- June Tveekrem Columbia, Maryland, U.S. damselfly|AT|southernspreadwing.com http://SouthernSpreadwing.com sleitkam AT yahoo.com wrote: In my case, however, the dragonfly (I think it's Gomphus exilis, but please correct me if I'm wrong) had fallen prey to a fishing spider with a legspan of approximately 3.5 inches. I'm attaching one photo... And finally, I'm aware that this is a dragonfly list, and that these aren't particularly dragonfly friendly photos. So I'll post some strictly dragonfly shots in a few days. Steve Subject: Re: Sites for Odes From: Glenn Corbiere <gcorbiere AT dragonhunter.net> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:38:46 -0700 (PDT) Hi Steve, Sorry to hear about your frustrations. You should have sent an email out to this group before you visited the first time - I'm sure you would have gotten plenty of help offers. It was not the greatest of years around here for dragonflies. In particular in June and July, we heard again and again that numbers were way down for numbers and diversity of species. Anyway, I'd be happy to help you next time around to the extent I can if you're going to spend any time within a few hours drive of where I am. Please drop me a line when you know when and what parts of New England you plan on visiting. You can visit my site and if you seen anything there that you'd be interested in seeing, let me know, and if you're around at the right time for those species, we'll give them a try. You have lucky, too - some days there are just not that many bugs out there. If it's not on my web site, I haven't had much luck finding it so far myeslf, or at least not so much luck photographing it! I'm sure you know that you can spend years and years trying to photograph some of the "trickier and rarer species", otherwise they wouldn't be tricky or rare! Anyway, I'm sure you'll recieve other offers of help, but you have at least one. Best Wishes, Glenn Glenn Corbiere 100 Prospect St. Chester, MA. 01011-9657 www.dragonhunter.net ________________________________ From: "birdseekers AT talktalk.net" To: NEodes AT yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 2:04:41 PM Subject: [NEodes] Sites for Odes   Having just visited New England for 2 weeks I found it very frustrating that I could not find any information on specific sites to see dragons & damsels. Armed with a map I visited as many ponds and rivers as possible finding most with no public access! I managed to get a little info from a freinds, freind and did see some excellent species on several very small accessible ponds. I intend to visit again next year from the U.K and would really appreciate any info on specific sites, for specific species. When you only have a few weeks to see and photograph as much as possible it really would help save time! I do hope some of you can help especially with thr trickier and rarer species. Steve birdseekers AT talktalk. net Subject: Sites for Odes From: birdseekers AT talktalk.net Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:04:41 -0400 Having just visited New England for 2 weeks I found it very frustrating that I could not find any information on specific sites to see dragons & damsels. Armed with a map I visited as many ponds and rivers as possible finding most with no public access! I managed to get a little info from a freinds, freind and did see some excellent species on several very small accessible ponds. I intend to visit again next year from the U.K and would really appreciate any info on specific sites, for specific species. When you only have a few weeks to see and photograph as much as possible it really would help save time! I do hope some of you can help especially with thr trickier and rarer species. Steve birdseekers AT talktalk.net Subject: Another example of predator becoming prey [1 Attachment] From: sleitkam AT yahoo.com Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 18:38:58 -0700 (PDT) Hi Everyone, I've been a member for quit a while, but this is my first time posting. When I saw Bob Moul's post on August 23rd, 'The dragon doesn't always win' I was reminded of a similar encounter I happened upon a couple of years ago. In my case, however, the dragonfly (I think it's Gomphus exilis, but please correct me if I'm wrong) had fallen prey to a fishing spider with a legspan of approximately 3.5 inches. I'm attaching one photo, and the rest of the set, plus a couple of composites that I'd put together for some of the less biologically oriented people at my office, can be seen in the photo section in 'Steve's Pics'. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEodes/photos/album/1400352351/pic/list The composite sheets also include additional information such as date and location.  And Finally, I'm aware that this is a dragonfly list, and that these aren't particularly dragonfly friendly photos.  So I'll post some strictly dragonfly shots in a few days. I hope you'll find these of interest. Steve Subject: Re: Aeshna clepsydra. From: "Steve Walter" <swalter15 AT verizon.net> Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 19:40:09 -0400 Kevin, I don't think clepsydra has an aversion to sunlight. Looking at flight shots I took last year of several males on Long Island, the time stamps are around 4:00 and they're well lit. (same for an ovipositing female). And my guys were patrolling away from the shoreline and higher above the water than yours, I'd say about 3-4 feet (or a comfortable level for photography). Steve Walter Bayside, NY ----- Original Message ----- From: MARIE HEMEON To: _NEodes Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 8:35 PM Subject: [NEodes] Aeshna clepsydra. I found Aeshna clepsydra (10 patrolling males at least) at a bog fringed pond in upstate NY this evening and the other night in a similar pond next county north of me. In both cases it was in the evening (earlier tonight but during a cloudy spell). The pond I visited had patrolling A. interrupta and canadensis this afternoon. I went back after dinner and found only the A. clepsydra. When the clouds parted, these left but, came back when the sun went below the horizon. I wonder if they prefer to patrol late in the day and that is part of their not being found often? They were patrolling 6-12 inches above the water, along the shore, hovering to check the shoreline sedges as well as dipping into patches of pickerel weed and flying amongst the stems, and were not too difficult to net. No, I did not net all 10. Kevin Subject: Saturday Odonates on local Creeks From: "asiootusloe" <mmh3 AT cornell.edu> Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 11:43:40 -0000 Hi all, I spent a few hours on Fall Creek (3 hrs) and Toughannock Creek (2 hrs) trying to watch and photograph odnonates. On Fall Creek between suspension bridge and Freese Road bridge saw about 50+ American Rubyspots, mostly males. I think I must have seen jsut about 4 or 5 females. I spent an hour and half photographing one male! Watched his tactics of catching insects and also grooming. I took several minutes of videos and is being uploaded to Youtube, see the link below. I also had at least four Boyeria individuals looking for females along the creeks. Two males in Toughannock Creek had very set path in search of females. Both spent a whole lot of time at one spot, between a rock and a deep water with some vegetation under water. I sat with my camera hoping to get at least one pciture of each. I did get a few shots, but all images are blur, showing how fast the insects fly during search. My photo exposure time was 100 th of a sec or less, but in that the image of the darner is blurred. Actually, I think one can calculate the speed of flight using the spot size and its width that would give us how much he traveled in 1/100 of a sec. Based on the photos at least one of them is Fawn Darner, Boyeria vinosa. I also found several darenrs in a field near Freese road, the one I could id were Swamp Darner (female), Green Darner (f), Green-striped (M), and a few more "darn" darner as I could not get anywhere near to idying them, though they came very near to me to check me out. There were also a few Meadowhawks both males and females, but I did not spend much time looking at them. I found several Powdered dancers (Argia moesta) laying eggs. I also saw Argia fumipennis (Violet Dancers), Ischnura verticalis Eastern Forktails), Ischnura posita (Fragile forktail), Tule (E. carculatum) and Familiar Bluets (E. civile). Meena Ithaca New York. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXlZNdo1lUo Subject: Aeshna clepsydra. From: "MARIE HEMEON" <mariekevinhemeon AT msn.com> Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 20:35:36 -0400 I found Aeshna clepsydra (10 patrolling males at least) at a bog fringed pond in upstate NY this evening and the other night in a similar pond next county north of me. In both cases it was in the evening (earlier tonight but during a cloudy spell). The pond I visited had patrolling A. interrupta and canadensis this afternoon. I went back after dinner and found only the A. clepsydra. When the clouds parted, these left but, came back when the sun went below the horizon. I wonder if they prefer to patrol late in the day and that is part of their not being found often? They were patrolling 6-12 inches above the water, along the shore, hovering to check the shoreline sedges as well as dipping into patches of pickerel weed and flying amongst the stems, and were not too difficult to net. No, I did not net all 10. Kevin Subject: Decent day for observation ... From: "Quackenbush, J Kevin" <jquacken AT foxboro.com> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 23:09:29 -0400 Well, last Sunday (23 August) it was ... for about two hours. I had some time to fill before I needed to pick someone up, so decided to cruise Myles Standish State forest in Plymouth, Ma. I have had some success there in the past, and though a storm was brewing, figured I'd give it a try. My first stop was a small weedy pond I'd visited before ... turns out I spent the entire two hours there. As I approached it seemed there was little activity ... but, upon closer scrutiny that impression changed quickly. Among the first Dragons I saw were ~ five male Martha's Pennant (Celithemis Martha), a male Halloween Pennant (Celithemis eponina), and at least six male Golden-winged skimmers (Libellula auripennis) [and, one female though of Golden-winged or Needham I am not certain] ... also present were two Slaty skimmer - male (Libellula incesta) ... in addition, at least four male Mottled darners and one female (Aeshna clepsydra). However, the highlight of the two hours were two sightings ... a single close fly-by of a Comet darner - male (Anax longipes) ... from about 12 feet - an unmistakable Dragon (!), and three Carolina saddlebags (Tramea Carolina), two males and a female ... one pair eventually in Wheel (!). They traveled a circuit from one side of the small pond to the other and back, from about ten feet out to maybe ~ 35 feet. I watched them for at least 45 minutes ... during which time they went from three individuals, to the wheel forming (they flew about that way for awhile) then, the ovipositing began. The female would break away from the male when they were 6 to 10 feet from the pond surface. She would drop down to the surface to oviposit, dabbing her abdomen into the water, then fly back up and re-join with the male. This happened every three to five minutes for at least 20-25 minutes. Finally, the female broke away from the male, dropped to the pond surface, completed her egg laying, then rose again into the air, but avoided the male in his attempts to re-join her. She flew at least forty feet into the air avoiding his approaches, before he broke away. She then flew to the pond edge and landed on an upright reed emergent from the water. She was clearly visible, and stayed there for about 20 minutes. Finally when I glanced back she had departed. During this time one of the males made repeated passes along the shore where I paced (along a very narrow incline, with poor footing) net in hand. I had one very close approach with the male coming well within net range, but alas from behind me ... and, I saw him too late as he flapped and glided past me. Oh, I swung ... but was woefully late ! Time was up, and I needed to leave ... but what a rewarding two hours. ________________________________ ** Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any associated or attached files, is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. This email is from the Invensys Process Systems business unit of the Invensys Group, a group of companies owned by Invensys plc, which is a company registered in England and Wales with its registered office at Portland House, Bressenden Place, London, SW1E 5BF (Registered number 166023). For a list of European legal entities within the Invensys Group, please go to http://www.invensys.com/legal/default.asp?top_nav_id=77&nav_id=80&prev_id=77. You may contact Invensys plc on +44 (0)20 7821 3848 or e-mail inet.hqhelpdesk AT invensys.com. This e-mail and any attachments thereto may be subject to the terms of any agreements between Invensys (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates) and the recipient (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates). Subject: Re: Dragonflies in Ballparks From: "Steve Walter" <swalter15 AT verizon.net> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:31:28 -0400 Why not? The all time classic was the Sora Rail on Soldier Field (during a preseason Giants - Bears game). So we know they migrate through Chicago in August. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Paulson To: Steve Walter Cc: 'NE Odes' Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [NEodes] Dragonflies in Ballparks Maybe by monitoring professional sports we will be able to get a handle on dragonfly migration across America! On Aug 29, 2009, at 1:51 PM, Steve Walter wrote: If you're in the northeast, stuck indoors because of the weather, and wanting to see dragonfly activity, turn to the Fox network outlet in your area. There's a swarm in Wrigley Field in Chicago, enough so that the announcers were talking about them. One commentator commented that "so far they're not bothering the players but we'll have to keep an eye on them" (with memories of the midges in Cleveland). I guess they don't know that they're harmless. I might also mention that there were some dragonflies in Yankee Stadium Thursday. Steve Walter Bayside, NY ----- Dennis Paulson 1724 NE 98 St. Seattle, WA 98115 206-528-1382 dennispaulson AT comcast.net Subject: Re: Dragonflies in Ballparks From: Dennis Paulson <dennispaulson AT comcast.net> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:45:36 -0700 Maybe by monitoring professional sports we will be able to get a handle on dragonfly migration across America! On Aug 29, 2009, at 1:51 PM, Steve Walter wrote: > > If you're in the northeast, stuck indoors because of the weather, > and wanting to see dragonfly activity, turn to the Fox network > outlet in your area. There's a swarm in Wrigley Field in Chicago, > enough so that the announcers were talking about them. One > commentator commented that "so far they're not bothering the players > but we'll have to keep an eye on them" (with memories of the midges > in Cleveland). I guess they don't know that they're harmless. I > might also mention that there were some dragonflies in Yankee > Stadium Thursday. > > Steve Walter > Bayside, NY > > > ----- Dennis Paulson 1724 NE 98 St. Seattle, WA 98115 206-528-1382 dennispaulson AT comcast.net Subject: Dragonflies in Ballparks From: "Steve Walter" <swalter15 AT verizon.net> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:51:08 -0400 If you're in the northeast, stuck indoors because of the weather, and wanting to see dragonfly activity, turn to the Fox network outlet in your area. There's a swarm in Wrigley Field in Chicago, enough so that the announcers were talking about them. One commentator commented that "so far they're not bothering the players but we'll have to keep an eye on them" (with memories of the midges in Cleveland). I guess they don't know that they're harmless. I might also mention that there were some dragonflies in Yankee Stadium Thursday. Steve Walter Bayside, NY Subject: RE: Stylurus plagiatus (Russet-tipped Clubtail) From: "Chip Krilowicz" <chippop AT verizon.net> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:57:42 -0400 Hi Glen: I am sorry to say that the angle given is the only one that I have. Looking at the raw photo on a HD monitor, my original comments stay the same. Looks like this bug will be just a mystery unless I can collect it. Thanks for your input. Regards, Ed (Chip) Krilowicz Haddonfield, NJ USA chippop AT verizon.net http://sites.google.com/site/audubonwildlifesociety/Home/ From: NEodes AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:NEodes AT yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Corbiere Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:10 AM To: NE Odes Subject: Fw: [NEodes] Stylurus plagiatus (Russet-tipped Clubtail) Sorry - I meant to send this to the group: ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Glenn Corbiere To: Chip Krilowicz Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:55:29 PM Subject: Re: [NEodes] Stylurus plagiatus (Russet-tipped Clubtail) [1 Attachment] Hi Chip, It's difficult to tell just what we're seeing with the image size that you uploaded, but it certainly appears that the head is, at the least, quite deformed, or as you pointed out perhaps not even present even though there eyes and apparantly mouth parts that can function. That is bizarre. I have never seen anything like it. You don't have any other angles by chance, do you? What I really would love to know is, what did the larva look like? Glenn Glenn Corbiere 100 Prospect St. Chester, MA. 01011-9657 www.dragonhunter.net _____ From: Chip Krilowicz To: "NEodes AT yahoogroups.com Odes" ; njodes AT yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 6:01:43 PM Subject: [NEodes] Stylurus plagiatus (Russet-tipped Clubtail) [1 Attachment] HI; I was at my local park today (National Park, Gloucester County, NJ) looking for Stylurus plagiatus (Russet-tipped Clubtail). I was lucky to see one male and this female. Looking at the female through the camera, I could not get a clear view of the head. I thought the prey it was eating was obscuring it. To my great surprise when I opened the photo that I took, the head and mouth parts appears to be part of the thorax! The but is an adult and must be feeding and flying as normal. Are my observations correct? Has anything like this been reported before? Regards, Ed (Chip) Krilowicz Haddonfield, NJ USA chippop AT verizon. net http://sites. google.com/ site/audubonwild lifesociety/ Home/ Subject: Fw: Stylurus plagiatus (Russet-tipped Clubtail) From: Glenn Corbiere <gcorbiere AT dragonhunter.net> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 07:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Sorry - I meant to send this to the group: ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Glenn Corbiere To: Chip Krilowicz Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:55:29 PM Subject: Re: [NEodes] Stylurus plagiatus (Russet-tipped Clubtail) [1 Attachment] Hi Chip, It's difficult to tell just what we're seeing with the image size that you uploaded, but it certainly appears that the head is, at the least, quite deformed, or as you pointed out perhaps not even present even though there eyes and apparantly mouth parts that can function.  That is bizarre.  I have never seen anything like it. You don't have any other angles by chance, do you? What I really would love to know is, what did the larva look like? Glenn   Glenn Corbiere 100 Prospect St. Chester, MA. 01011-9657 www.dragonhunter.net ________________________________ From: Chip Krilowicz To: "NEodes AT yahoogroups.com Odes" ; njodes AT yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 6:01:43 PM Subject: [NEodes] Stylurus plagiatus (Russet-tipped Clubtail) [1 Attachment]   [Attachment(s) from Chip Krilowicz included below] HI;   I was at my local park today (National Park, Gloucester County, NJ) looking for Stylurus plagiatus (Russet-tipped Clubtail). I was lucky to see one male and this female.  Looking at the female through the camera, I could not get a clear view of the head.  I thought the prey it was eating was obscuring it.  To my great surprise when I opened the photo that I took, the head and mouth parts appears to be part of the thorax!  The but is an adult and must be feeding and flying as normal.   Are my observations correct?  Has anything like this been reported before?   Regards, Ed (Chip) Krilowicz Haddonfield, NJ USA chippop AT verizon. net http://sites. google.com/ site/audubonwild lifesociety/ Home/     Subject: Re: The dragon doesn't always win. From: Hal White <halwhite AT udel.edu> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:27:44 -0400 Bob, This is a paragraph from the Delmarva book I am writing. One day while wading in a marsh at Lums Pond, New Castle County, Delaware, I noticed several tussocks of tall grass that were ringed by dragonfly wings floating in the water. Upon examination, each tussock had a resident, well-camouflaged preying mantis patiently waiting for the next unsuspecting dragonfly to land. Because of their abundance, Blue Dashers were the predominant victims (Bree, 2001). Bree, D. (2001) Mandids eating dragonflies, ARGIA 13(1), 27-28. Hal Bob Moul wrote: > > [Attachment(s) <#TopText> from Bob Moul included below] > > This Widow Skimmer wasn't quite fast enough this morning. The mantid is > a nymph but does anyone know what species? I am used to seeing the green > Chinese Mantids here. All the Chinese nymphs I have seen were green. > -- > > Best, > Bob > > Bob Moul (N8urePix AT Comcast.net ) > Adams County, PA USA > > "PROTECTING NATURE THROUGH EDUCATION" > Photo Galleries: > http://www.pbase.com/rcm1840 > http://bob.moul.oiseaux.net/index.en.html > > > Subject: The dragon doesn't always win. [1 Attachment] From: Bob Moul <n8urepix AT comcast.net> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:39:07 -0400 This Widow Skimmer wasn't quite fast enough this morning. The mantid is a nymph but does anyone know what species? I am used to seeing the green Chinese Mantids here. All the Chinese nymphs I have seen were green. -- Best, Bob Bob Moul (N8urePix AT Comcast.net) Adams County, PA USA "PROTECTING NATURE THROUGH EDUCATION" Photo Galleries: http://www.pbase.com/rcm1840 http://bob.moul.oiseaux.net/index.en.html