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20 Nov Palestine Sunbird in Sharm El Sheikh [Mindy Rosenzweig ] 19 Nov Re: Question on Introduced Species in the WP [] 19 Nov Re: The non-naturalised status of Alexandrine Parakeet in Israel [] 19 Nov Question on Introduced Species in the WP [Mindy Rosenzweig ] 19 Nov Re: The non-naturalised status of Alexandrine Parakeet in Israel [Mindy Rosenzweig ] 19 Nov The non-naturalised status of Alexandrine Parakeet in Israel [] 19 Nov Status Alexandrine Parakeet in Israel [Mindy Rosenzweig ] 18 Nov Wintering Birds in Northern Saudi Arabia - Report ["Ian" ] 14 Nov Re: ID help Warbler Sylvia spec. Wadi Gemal NP, Red Sea, Egypt ["M.Istvan" ] 11 Nov Re: ID help Warbler Sylvia spec. Wadi Gemal NP, Red Sea, Egypt [Mindy Rosenzweig ] 11 Nov Re: Probable MENETRIE'S WARBLER [Mary Megalli ] 11 Nov Probable MENETRIE'S WARBLER [] 11 Nov Re: ID help Warbler Sylvia spec. Wadi Gemal NP, Red Sea, Egypt ["asmustim" ] 11 Nov R: ID help Warbler Sylvia spec. Wadi Gemal NP, Red Sea, Egypt [Andrea Corso ] 11 Nov ID help Warbler Sylvia spec. Wadi Gemal NP, Red Sea, Egypt ["Dick" ] 10 Nov Fwd: Zoology in the Middle East - Vol. 48 (2009) now available [Ian Harrison ] 3 Nov RE: Re: Removal of ember [Yousef Ali Alzaoby ] 3 Nov Re: Removal of ember [Abolghasem Khaleghizadeh ] 2 Nov Removal of Member [Ian Harrison ] 02 Nov Re: Removal of member ["asmustim" ] 02 Nov Re: Removal of member [Peter Hellyer ] 2 Nov RE: Removal of member ["franur3 AT tiscali.co.uk" ] 2 Nov RE: Removal of member ["simon.tull" ] 2 Nov Re: Removal of member ["franur3 AT tiscali.co.uk" ] 2 Nov Re: Removal of member [] 2 Nov Fwd: Removal of member [Ian Harrison ] 02 Nov Removal of member ["Ian" ] 31 Oct White-breasted Waterhen, Saudi Arabia ["grlbretagne" ] 27 Oct RE: Syrian wildlife book [Yousef Ali Alzaoby ] 26 Oct Re: Syrian wildlife book [mudhafar salim ] 26 Oct Re: Syrian wildlife book [Anton Khalilieh ] 26 Oct Re: Syrian wildlife book [riyat gul ] 26 Oct Re: Syrian wildlife book [] 26 Oct Re: Syrian wildlife book [riyat gul ] 26 Oct Syrian wildlife book ["honeybuzzard1156" ] 16 Oct RE: Dubai - birding sites, distances and feasibilty ["Colin Richardson" ] 16 Oct Dubai - birding sites, distances and feasibilty [] 14 Oct RE: Posting trip reports on OSME website - how? ["Avner Cohen" ] 14 Oct RE: Posting trip reports on OSME website - how? [Tristan Norton ] 12 Oct RE: Posting trip reports on OSME website - how? ["Avner Cohen" ] 12 Oct Posting trip reports on OSME website - how? ["bluechaffinch" ] 11 Oct Other ME links: Yemen, UAE, Oman, Saudi Arabia ["Valery" ] 09 Oct Request: Odd breeding sites of C. daurica in Kyrgyzstan ["asmustim" ] 7 Oct Fwd: [WestPalBirds] Egypt links... [Ian Harrison ] 5 Oct Re: Request for Numenius morphometrics ["M.Istvan" ] 5 Oct Re: SBC ["M.Istvan" ] 5 Oct Re: Request for Numenius morphometrics ["Norman D.van Swelm" ] 5 Oct SBC [NL ] 5 Oct Re: Request for Numenius morphometrics [mudhafar salim ] 5 Oct Re: Request for Numenius morphometrics [mudhafar salim ] 5 Oct Request for Numenius morphometrics ["M.Istvan" ] 04 Oct OSME Summer Meeting 2010 ["Ian" ] 3 Oct RE: ID Help Warbler in Kuwait [Sherif Baha El Din ] 3 Oct Re: ID Help Warbler in Kuwait [] 03 Oct ID Help Warbler in Kuwait ["svlrchrd" ] 01 Oct RSPB / Birdfair grants ["keith_betton" ] 30 Sep Birding destination survey ["keith_betton" ] 27 Sep Terek Sandpiper with leg-flag Kyrgyzstan ["asmustim" ] 24 Sep International Ornithological Congress - Brazil - August 2010 ["keith_betton" ] 23 Sep RE: Bee-eater across Lebanon and Syria [richard prior ] 23 Sep Bee-eater across Syria ["yousefalzaoby" ] 23 Sep Re: Birdlife Release: Local group makes its mark at Egypt's Lake Qarun ["mary.megalli" ] 22 Sep Birdlife Release: Local group makes its mark at Egypt's Lake Qarun ["keith_betton" ] 17 Sep Update Batumi Raptor Count [pieter vantieghem ] 13 Sep Re: Manych Wetland 2009 Sociable Lapwing [SL] Survey - Update [Jeff Gordon ] 13 Sep Re: Manych Wetland 2009 Sociable Lapwing [SL] Survey - Update ["Francis Argyle" ] 13 Sep Manych Wetland 2009 Sociable Lapwing [SL] Survey - Update ["Jeff Gordon" ] 12 Sep Crested Honey-buzzard at Batumi Raptor Count [pieter vantieghem ] 11 Sep Emberiza stewarti nestlings fed by three adults ["asmustim" ] 9 Sep Manych Wetland 2009 Sociable Lapwing [SL] Survey - Update ["Jeff Gordon" ] 9 Sep Bee-eater cross southern region of Syria [Yousef Ali Alzaoby ] 4 Sep Re: Birding In Jordon ["Mike Edgecombe" ] 4 Sep RE: Birding In Jordon ["Bassima Khatib" ] 3 Sep Birding In Jordon ["Mike Edgecombe" ] 3 Sep Re: oenanthe ["M.Istvan" ] 3 Sep Re: oenanthe [Kalle Rainio ] Subject: Palestine Sunbird in Sharm El Sheikh From: Mindy Rosenzweig <egyptcalling AT yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:10:23 -0800 (PST) I just found a mention on a website about Palestine Sunbird in Sharm El Sheikh.  It seems that this species might have spread to this vicinity.  I was wondering if others have observed this species there regularly and where? Thanks!   Mindy Baha El Din New Email addresses available on Yahoo! Get the Email name you've always wanted on the new AT ymail and AT rocketmail. Hurry before someone else does! http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/aa/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: Question on Introduced Species in the WP From: LGREUK400 AT aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:09:30 EST Mindy This is a real can of worms ! There is no consistency on this whatsoever and some countries such as The Netherlands do not have a Category C (non-naturalised populations of non-native birds) I have unified the situation with my (that is the UK400 Club) version of the ''Western Palearctic List'' but there is no 'official' Western P list as such. Just a few anomalies For example, Israel claims Black-hooded Parakeet on the back of 5 birds whilst Tenerife which has several hundred does not count them Portugal has thriving populations of Black-headed Weavers and Yellow-crowned Bishops and counts them whilst Spain has even more and does not Sacred Ibises and Reeve's Pheasants thrive in certain areas of France but are not counted other than on very restricted localities, such as an isolated island In France also, there are as many Masked as Fischer's Lovebirds at large (and hybrids) yet only one is added And on and on the inconsistency goes. Once any non-native has been recorded breeding in the wild for over 20 years and has a population in excess of 100 pairs it should be added in my opinion. The trouble is however, what do you do when the population is no longer sustaining, as has what has happened with Lady Amherst's and Golden Pheasants in Britain? Do you then remove it from the list, even though the reason may be man-induced (such as in the case of the North American Ruddy Duck eradication) Best wishes Lee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: The non-naturalised status of Alexandrine Parakeet in Israel From: LGREUK400 AT aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:58:14 EST Yes - the Goliath Heron and the Three-banded Plover - both much desired. When I was last in Abu Simbel, I hired a boat and we sailed 25 miles north up the Nile and landed on some excellent bird-filled islands, one of which held a single flock of 69 African Skimmers - possibly the largest flock recorded in over 20 years. We also saw exceptional numbers of scarce species such as Yellow-billed Stork, Pink-backed Pelican and Greater Painted Snipe. The status details of both Namaqua Dove, African Collared Dove and Bonelli's Eagle are in desperate need of updating, as all field guides keep publishing far from accurate data Best wishes Lee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Question on Introduced Species in the WP From: Mindy Rosenzweig <egyptcalling AT yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:49:54 -0800 (PST) Given that my last inquiry worked out so well...   Would anyone happen to know what is the criteria for the "Western Palearctic" concerning "naturalized introduced species"?  In  the US they have to be breeding for 7 or 10 years to be considered to have sustainable breeding populations.  Given the Turkish and other breeding populations, I would assume that Alexandrine Parakeet is already included on the BWP list?   Thanks!   Mindy Baha El Din           --- On Thu, 19/11/09, LGREUK400 AT aol.com wrote: From: LGREUK400 AT aol.com Subject: [MEBirdNet] The non-naturalised status of Alexandrine Parakeet in Israel To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com Cc: egyptcalling AT yahoo.com Date: Thursday, 19 November, 2009, 9:16 PM   Mindy Hope you are well and birding is keeping you active In recent years, I have seen up to 15 Alexandrine Parakeets amongst Rose-ringed/ Ring-necked Parakeets in Tel Aviv but have never encountered them anywhere else in Israel. Furthermore, the non-naturalised population of Black-hooded Parakeet in the Pardes Hannu area near Hadera (north of Tel Aviv) numbers five individuals at best and are certainly not viable as a Category C population Alexandrine Parakeets are most numerous in NW Turkey where the population in Istanbul and parks in the suburbs now number at least 220 birds and is increasing As an aside, we have perhaps 15-18 Alexandrine Parakeets at large in Britain, plus 77 Monk Parakeets and just under 14,000 Ring-necked Parakeets. Sadly, the British government under its Defra banner have given carte blanche permission for all and sundry to dispense of 'feral' parrots by adding them to the 'pest' list and thus allowing eradication controls to take place in some areas so these numbers will most likely fall. All the very best Lee G R Evans British Birding Association UK400 Club, Rare Birds Magazine, Ornithological Consultant and Conservationist Discussion Forum/Email Group: _http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/UK400Club/ _ (http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/UK400Club/) Rare Bird Alert: _http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/RareBirdAl ertforBritainand Ireland_UK400Clu bBBA/_ (http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/RareBirdAl ertforBritainand Ireland_UK400Clu bBBA/) Email Address: LGREUK400 AT aol. com Website Address: _www.uk400clubonlin e.co.uk_ (http://www.uk400clu bonline.co. uk/) Related Blog Sites: _http://uk400clubrar ebirdalert. blogspot. com/_ (http://uk400clubrar ebirdalert. blogspot. com/) _ http://rarebirdsint hewesternpalearc tic.blogspot. com/ http://birdingamers ham.blogspot. com/_ (http://birdingamers ham.blogspot. com/) _ http://birdingtring reservoirs. blogspot. com/_ (http://birdingtring reservoirs. blogspot. com/) _http://calvertbirdi ng.blogspot. com/_ (http://calvertbirdi ng.blogspot. com/) _http://hertfordshir ebirding. blogspot. com/_ (http://hertfordshir ebirding. blogspot. com/) _http://buckinghamsh irebirding. blogspot. com/_ (http://buckinghamsh irebirding. blogspot. com/) _http://birdreportex change.blogspot. com/_ (http://birdreportex change.blogspot. com/) Chaffinch House 8 Sandycroft Road Little Chalfont Amersham Buckinghamshire England HP6 6QL Telephones: 01494 763010 and 01494 581157 Mobile/Text Alerts: 07881 906629 (Lee Evans Enterprises incorporate documentation of rare bird occurrences in Britain & Ireland and elsewhere in the Western Palearctic and in North America; Rare Bird Information and Rare Bird Alerts; Rare Birds Magazine and other related publications; Bird Tours for Birders) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] New Email addresses available on Yahoo! Get the Email name you've always wanted on the new AT ymail and AT rocketmail. Hurry before someone else does! http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/aa/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: The non-naturalised status of Alexandrine Parakeet in Israel From: Mindy Rosenzweig <egyptcalling AT yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:39:57 -0800 (PST) Lee,   Thanks so much!    I have finally after all these years, I have started to bird again.  I am also back to organizing birding tours in Egypt...but not guiding.  I am working with my old birding Egypt team who have started a new company, Thebes  Tours International.  The company rep-bird guide, AbdallaI is quite keen.   He is helping to find birding sites.  Currently we are trying to figure out how to see Three-banded Plover reliably in Aswan.  The good news is we got boats going out again on Lake Nasser at Abu Simbel.  We have also negotiating access to places where birders were experiencing problems.  In addition, we have a ground agent in the Southern Red Sea who is helping to us with boats and desert safari trips including to remote, previously inaccessable areas...Unfortunately, Elba is not amoung them!    My husband hassled...convinced me to start writing papers again, hence my inquiry..........hopefully, you will see publications from me soon.    Hope all is well with you....Let me know when you are next in Egypt..I am sure you will be back for the Goliath.   Cheers!   Mindy       --- On Thu, 19/11/09, LGREUK400 AT aol.com wrote: From: LGREUK400 AT aol.com Subject: The non-naturalised status of Alexandrine Parakeet in Israel To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com Cc: egyptcalling AT yahoo.com Date: Thursday, 19 November, 2009, 9:16 PM Mindy   Hope you are well and birding is keeping you active   In recent years, I have seen up to 15 Alexandrine Parakeets amongst Rose-ringed/Ring-necked Parakeets in Tel Aviv but have never encountered them anywhere else in Israel.   Furthermore, the non-naturalised population of Black-hooded Parakeet in the Pardes Hannu area near Hadera (north of Tel Aviv) numbers five individuals at best and are certainly not viable as a Category C population   Alexandrine Parakeets are most numerous in NW Turkey where the population in Istanbul and parks in the suburbs now number at least 220 birds and is increasing   As an aside, we have perhaps 15-18 Alexandrine Parakeets at large in Britain, plus 77 Monk Parakeets and just under 14,000 Ring-necked Parakeets. Sadly, the British government under its Defra banner have given carte blanche permission for all and sundry to dispense of 'feral' parrots by adding them to the 'pest' list and thus allowing eradication controls to take place in some areas so these numbers will most likely fall.   All the very best   Lee G R Evans British Birding Association UK400 Club, Rare Birds Magazine, Ornithological Consultant and Conservationist Discussion Forum/Email Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/ Rare Bird Alert: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400ClubBBA/ Email Address: LGREUK400 AT aol.com Website Address: www.uk400clubonline.co.uk Related Blog Sites: http://uk400clubrarebirdalert.blogspot.com/ http://rarebirdsinthewesternpalearctic.blogspot.com/ http://birdingamersham.blogspot.com/ http://birdingtringreservoirs.blogspot.com/ http://calvertbirding.blogspot.com/ http://hertfordshirebirding.blogspot.com/ http://buckinghamshirebirding.blogspot.com/ http://birdreportexchange.blogspot.com/ Chaffinch House 8 Sandycroft Road Little Chalfont Amersham Buckinghamshire England HP6 6QL Telephones: 01494 763010 and 01494 581157 Mobile/Text Alerts: 07881 906629 (Lee Evans Enterprises incorporate documentation of rare bird occurrences in Britain & Ireland and elsewhere in the Western Palearctic and in North America; Rare Bird Information and Rare Bird Alerts; Rare Birds Magazine and other related publications; Bird Tours for Birders) New Email names for you! Get the Email name you've always wanted on the new AT ymail and AT rocketmail. Hurry before someone else does! http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/aa/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: The non-naturalised status of Alexandrine Parakeet in Israel From: LGREUK400 AT aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:16:33 EST Mindy Hope you are well and birding is keeping you active In recent years, I have seen up to 15 Alexandrine Parakeets amongst Rose-ringed/Ring-necked Parakeets in Tel Aviv but have never encountered them anywhere else in Israel. Furthermore, the non-naturalised population of Black-hooded Parakeet in the Pardes Hannu area near Hadera (north of Tel Aviv) numbers five individuals at best and are certainly not viable as a Category C population Alexandrine Parakeets are most numerous in NW Turkey where the population in Istanbul and parks in the suburbs now number at least 220 birds and is increasing As an aside, we have perhaps 15-18 Alexandrine Parakeets at large in Britain, plus 77 Monk Parakeets and just under 14,000 Ring-necked Parakeets. Sadly, the British government under its Defra banner have given carte blanche permission for all and sundry to dispense of 'feral' parrots by adding them to the 'pest' list and thus allowing eradication controls to take place in some areas so these numbers will most likely fall. All the very best Lee G R Evans British Birding Association UK400 Club, Rare Birds Magazine, Ornithological Consultant and Conservationist Discussion Forum/Email Group: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/) Rare Bird Alert: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400ClubBBA/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400ClubBBA/) Email Address: LGREUK400 AT aol.com Website Address: _www.uk400clubonline.co.uk_ (http://www.uk400clubonline.co.uk/) Related Blog Sites: _http://uk400clubrarebirdalert.blogspot.com/_ (http://uk400clubrarebirdalert.blogspot.com/) _ http://rarebirdsinthewesternpalearctic.blogspot.com/ http://birdingamersham.blogspot.com/_ (http://birdingamersham.blogspot.com/) _ http://birdingtringreservoirs.blogspot.com/_ (http://birdingtringreservoirs.blogspot.com/) _http://calvertbirding.blogspot.com/_ (http://calvertbirding.blogspot.com/) _http://hertfordshirebirding.blogspot.com/_ (http://hertfordshirebirding.blogspot.com/) _http://buckinghamshirebirding.blogspot.com/_ (http://buckinghamshirebirding.blogspot.com/) _http://birdreportexchange.blogspot.com/_ (http://birdreportexchange.blogspot.com/) Chaffinch House 8 Sandycroft Road Little Chalfont Amersham Buckinghamshire England HP6 6QL Telephones: 01494 763010 and 01494 581157 Mobile/Text Alerts: 07881 906629 (Lee Evans Enterprises incorporate documentation of rare bird occurrences in Britain & Ireland and elsewhere in the Western Palearctic and in North America; Rare Bird Information and Rare Bird Alerts; Rare Birds Magazine and other related publications; Bird Tours for Birders) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Status Alexandrine Parakeet in Israel From: Mindy Rosenzweig <egyptcalling AT yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:00:49 -0800 (PST) I would appreciate information on the current status is of Alexandrine Parakeet in Israel.  I found it mentioned as an introduced species in Israel on the internet.  I would like to know about its distribution, numbers, habitats and if breeding is confirmed and where?  This is for a paper I am iwriting. I would be pleased to acknowledge you or any references accordingly.   Thank you very much for all assistance.   Sincerely,   Mindy Baha El Din   --- On Sun, 15/11/09, M.Istvan wrote: From: M.Istvan Subject: Re: [MEBirdNet] ID help Warbler Sylvia spec. Wadi Gemal NP, Red Sea, Egypt To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 15 November, 2009, 5:42 AM   In April 2007 I have caught and ID, and ringed one Menetries warbler in Hurghada ( a second ringer, Arthur Niemczik from Gdansk University was present as well).  most of the Sylvia species were ringed there (atriucapilla, curruca, communis,crassirost ris, borin,bonelli, melanocephala, ruepelli) but mystacea and melanothorax were caught only one time. Probably in the scrub on the sea coast, or inside of the mountains more of them occure, but in the reed and in the surrounding tamarix bushes is just an exceptional event to be caught.     Steve Moldován István -  Ornithologist  www.birdinginegypt. com Contact person of OSME in Egypt  www.osme.org Nature Conservation Egypt  www.ncegypt. org   --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Mindy Rosenzweig wr From: Mindy Rosenzweig Subject: Re: [MEBirdNet] ID help Warbler Sylvia spec. Wadi Gemal NP, Red Sea, Egypt To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogrou ps.com Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 10:28 PM   Mementries Warbler was formerly considered a rare winter visitor to Egypt.  There are scattered records in the Eastern Desert.  Sherif found since good numbers wintering at Gabel Elba, which lends support to the probablity of seeing this species at Wadi Gemal.     We also saw once a Red-breasted Flycatcher at Wadi Gamal.     Mindy Baha El Din  --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Dick wrote: From: Dick Subject: [MEBirdNet] ID help Warbler Sylvia spec. Wadi Gemal NP, Red Sea, Egypt To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogrou ps.com Date: Wednesday, 11 November, 2009, 11:52 AM   On 30 October we (Mary Megalli and Dick Hoek) visited Wadi Gemal NP, south of Marsa Alam along the Red Sea, Egypt. Birding delivered a Red-breasted Flycatcher, many Redstarts and Chiffchaffs e.g. but also a probably female or juvenile Warbler Sylvia spec., which we could not identify. The most striking feature was the tail movements. It was not shy. I added 5 pictures of the Warbler. Please take a look at the new ID help-album and give your opinion. Regards, Dick Hoek Get your preferred Email name! Now you can AT ymail.com and AT rocketmail. com. http://mail. promotions. yahoo.com/ newdomains/ aa/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] New Email addresses available on Yahoo! Get the Email name you've always wanted on the new AT ymail and AT rocketmail. Hurry before someone else does! http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/aa/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Wintering Birds in Northern Saudi Arabia - Report From: "Ian" <ianbirds AT gmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:22:34 -0000 Dear all OSME has received a copy of Mike Jennings' report on his Abba Survey No. 40 conducted in February 2009. The title is: Wintering Birds in Northern Saudi Arabia: February 2009 (ABBA Survey 40) Mike has informed OSME that a PDF is available free to Phoenix subscribers. He also has a few hard copies at £10 each plus postage. Please contact him at either ArabianBirds AT dsl.pipex.com or Warners Farm House Warners Drove Somersham Cambridgeshire PE28 3WD Ian Harrison MEBirdnet Moderator & Hon Sec, OSME Subject: Re: ID help Warbler Sylvia spec. Wadi Gemal NP, Red Sea, Egypt From: "M.Istvan" <idegenvezeto AT yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:42:23 -0800 (PST) In April 2007 I have caught and ID, and ringed one Menetries warbler in Hurghada ( a second ringer, Arthur Niemczik from Gdansk University was present as well).  most of the Sylvia species were ringed there (atriucapilla, curruca, communis,crassirostris, borin,bonelli, melanocephala,ruepelli) but mystacea and melanothorax were caught only one time. Probably in the scrub on the sea coast, or inside of the mountains more of them occure, but in the reed and in the surrounding tamarix bushes is just an exceptional event to be caught.     Steve Moldován István -  Ornithologist  www.birdinginegypt.com Contact person of OSME in Egypt  www.osme.org Nature Conservation Egypt  www.ncegypt.org   --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Mindy Rosenzweig wr From: Mindy Rosenzweig Subject: Re: [MEBirdNet] ID help Warbler Sylvia spec. Wadi Gemal NP, Red Sea, Egypt To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 10:28 PM   Mementries Warbler was formerly considered a rare winter visitor to Egypt.  There are scattered records in the Eastern Desert.  Sherif found since good numbers wintering at Gabel Elba, which lends support to the probablity of seeing this species at Wadi Gemal.     We also saw once a Red-breasted Flycatcher at Wadi Gamal.     Mindy Baha El Din  --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Dick wrote: From: Dick Subject: [MEBirdNet] ID help Warbler Sylvia spec. Wadi Gemal NP, Red Sea, Egypt To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogrou ps.com Date: Wednesday, 11 November, 2009, 11:52 AM   On 30 October we (Mary Megalli and Dick Hoek) visited Wadi Gemal NP, south of Marsa Alam along the Red Sea, Egypt. Birding delivered a Red-breasted Flycatcher, many Redstarts and Chiffchaffs e.g. but also a probably female or juvenile Warbler Sylvia spec., which we could not identify. The most striking feature was the tail movements. It was not shy. I added 5 pictures of the Warbler. Please take a look at the new ID help-album and give your opinion. Regards, Dick Hoek Get your preferred Email name! Now you can AT ymail.com and AT rocketmail. com. http://mail. promotions. yahoo.com/ newdomains/ aa/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: ID help Warbler Sylvia spec. Wadi Gemal NP, Red Sea, Egypt From: Mindy Rosenzweig <egyptcalling AT yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:28:59 -0800 (PST) Mementries Warbler was formerly considered a rare winter visitor to Egypt.  There are scattered records in the Eastern Desert.  Sherif found since good numbers wintering at Gabel Elba, which lends support to the probablity of seeing this species at Wadi Gemal.     We also saw once a Red-breasted Flycatcher at Wadi Gamal.     Mindy Baha El Din  --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Dick wrote: From: Dick Subject: [MEBirdNet] ID help Warbler Sylvia spec. Wadi Gemal NP, Red Sea, Egypt To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 11 November, 2009, 11:52 AM   On 30 October we (Mary Megalli and Dick Hoek) visited Wadi Gemal NP, south of Marsa Alam along the Red Sea, Egypt. Birding delivered a Red-breasted Flycatcher, many Redstarts and Chiffchaffs e.g. but also a probably female or juvenile Warbler Sylvia spec., which we could not identify. The most striking feature was the tail movements. It was not shy. I added 5 pictures of the Warbler. Please take a look at the new ID help-album and give your opinion. Regards, Dick Hoek Get your preferred Email name! Now you can AT ymail.com and AT rocketmail.com. http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/aa/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: Probable MENETRIE'S WARBLER From: Mary Megalli <mary.megalli AT gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:00:18 +0200 Hello All, Dick, Lee, Dick may add to this Menetrie's comments -- we'll see if we, the two observers, agree! The bird arced its tail back and forth, not "wagging," but swinging it side to side in an arc, and also stretched its tail downward while fanning it out for us to see the white outer tail feathers (half the length of the tail) and the small white tips to the outer 3 tail feathers on each side of the tail. On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:26 PM, wrote: > > > Dick > > Just had a brief look at your outstanding five images and from what I can > see, this bird is most likely a MENETRIE'S WARBLER - although it does have > a > few anomalous features for this species > > Will have a more detailed look later and email you > > Best wishes > > Lee Evans > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Mary Megalli mary.megalli AT gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ This list is maintained by the Ornithological Society of the Middle East, Caucasus and Central Asia. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Subject: Probable MENETRIE'S WARBLER From: LGREUK400 AT aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:26:57 EST Dick Just had a brief look at your outstanding five images and from what I can see, this bird is most likely a MENETRIE'S WARBLER - although it does have a few anomalous features for this species Will have a more detailed look later and email you Best wishes Lee Evans [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: ID help Warbler Sylvia spec. Wadi Gemal NP, Red Sea, Egypt From: "asmustim" <asmus.schroter AT helsinki.fi> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:44:11 -0000 Hi all, in my opinion everything supports Sylvia mystacea! Nice photos! Regards, Asmus Schröter Subject: R: ID help Warbler Sylvia spec. Wadi Gemal NP, Red Sea, Egypt From: Andrea Corso <voloerrante AT yahoo.it> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:31:38 +0000 (GMT) It seems to be a Menetrie's Warbler though I'm surpised by the undertail coverts looking like Sardinian or Eastern Orphean... what about dimension, and what about the right tail movements?  and any call gìheard?   ciao Andrea --- Mer 11/11/09, Dick ha scritto: Da: Dick Oggetto: [MEBirdNet] ID help Warbler Sylvia spec. Wadi Gemal NP, Red Sea, Egypt A: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com Data: Mercoledì 11 novembre 2009, 12:52   On 30 October we (Mary Megalli and Dick Hoek) visited Wadi Gemal NP, south of Marsa Alam along the Red Sea, Egypt. Birding delivered a Red-breasted Flycatcher, many Redstarts and Chiffchaffs e.g. but also a probably female or juvenile Warbler Sylvia spec., which we could not identify. The most striking feature was the tail movements. It was not shy. I added 5 pictures of the Warbler. Please take a look at the new ID help-album and give your opinion. Regards, Dick Hoek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: ID help Warbler Sylvia spec. Wadi Gemal NP, Red Sea, Egypt From: "Dick" <dick.hoek AT yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:52:16 -0000 On 30 October we (Mary Megalli and Dick Hoek) visited Wadi Gemal NP, south of Marsa Alam along the Red Sea, Egypt. Birding delivered a Red-breasted Flycatcher, many Redstarts and Chiffchaffs e.g. but also a probably female or juvenile Warbler Sylvia spec., which we could not identify. The most striking feature was the tail movements. It was not shy. I added 5 pictures of the Warbler. Please take a look at the new ID help-album and give your opinion. Regards, Dick Hoek Subject: Fwd: Zoology in the Middle East - Vol. 48 (2009) now available From: Ian Harrison <ianbirds AT gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:49:20 +0000 Received recently. An article on Great Bustard in turkey. Ian Harrison ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: ZoolMidEast Date: 2009/11/6 Subject: Zoology in the Middle East - Vol. 48 (2009) now available To: Kasparek AT t-online.de *- Zoology in the Middle East - - Peer-reviewed - Covered in the Science Citation Index -* Dear colleagues, we wish to inform you that volume 48 (2009) of "Zoology in the Middle East" was just published and has been sent to the subscribers of the journal today. For your information we are attaching the table of contents. If you wish to obtain a copy of the publication, please check for prices and other information our web site www.kasparek-verlag.de, or simply contact us. The web site also contains the tables of content and abstracts of all previous issues of Zoology in the Middle East. KASPAREK Verlag ------------------------------------------------------- Kasparek Verlag Mönchhofstr. 16, 69120 Heidelberg, Germany Tel. (+49) 6221 / 47 50 69, Fax (+49) 6221 / 47 18 58 E-mail: Kasparek AT t-online.de, Internet: www.kasparek-verlag.de *TABLE OF CONTENTS VOLUME 48, 2009* * * *Mammals* Adwan H. Shehab, Mohamed Asaad, Ibrahim Mamkhair: *Morphology and distribution of the Asian Garden Dormouse, Eliomys melanurusWagner, 1840, in Syria (Rodentia: Gliridae). * *-* 48, 2009: 3-12. Mohammad S. Farhadinia, Alireza Mahdavi, Fatemeh Hosseini-Zavarei *Reproductive ecology of the Persian Leopard, Panthera pardus saxicolor, in Sarigol National Park, northeastern Iran (Mammalia: Felidae). -* 48, 2009: 13-16. Yüksel Coskun, Alaettin Kaya, Gökhan Yürümez *Chromosomal forms of the Mole Rat, **Nannospalax nehringi (Satunin, 1898), from the Van Lake Basin in Eastern Turkey (Mammalia: Rodentia). -* 48, 2009: 17-24. *Birds* Recep Karakas, Ferdi Akarsu *Recent status and distribution of the Great Bustard, Otis tarda, in Turkey (Aves: Otidae). -* 48, 2009: 25-34. Torsten Wronski *Habitat preference and diurnal activity pattern in the Sand Partridge, Ammoperdix heyi heyi (Aves: Phasianidae). -* 48, 2009: 49-62. *Reptiles* Saif M. Al-Ghais *Nesting of Hawksbill Turtles, Eretmochelys imbricata, on the islands of the Arabian Gulf (Reptilia: Cheloniidae). -* 48, 2009: 43-48. Dmitry A. Bondarenko, Evgeny A. Peregontsev *Peculiarities of landscape distribution of the Central Asian Tortoise, Agrionemys horsfieldii, in Iran (Reptilia: Testudines). -* 48, 2009: 49-62. *Fish* Brian W. Coad *Alburnus** zagrosensis n. sp., a new species of fish from the Zagros Mountains of Iran (Actinopterygii: Cyprinidae). -* 48, 2009: 63-70. *Insects* Mahmoud S. Abd El-Dayem *Two new species of the ground beetle genus Tachyura Motschulsky, 1862 from Egypt (Coleoptera: Carabidae: Trechinae: Bembidiini). -* 48, 2009: 71-74. Martin Lillig *Two new species of the genus Erodius Fabricius, 1775 from Oman and Syria (Coleoptera: Tenebrionidae: Pimeliinae). -* 48, 2009: 75-80. Bruno Massa, Paolo Fontana *On some Drymadusini from the Middle East (Orthoptera: Tettigoniidae). -*48, 2009: 81-88. *Arachnids* Zübeyde Kumbicak, Serap Ergene, Saadet Saygideger *Chromosomal data on six araneomorph spiders belonging to the families Lycosidae and Gnaphosidae (Araneae: Araneomorphae). -* 48, 2009: 89-96. Rasit Urhan *Zercon** honazicus sp. n., a new species of mite from Turkey (Acari: Zerconidae). -* 48, 2009: 97-100. *Short Communications* Mounir R. Abi-Said *First record of Wagner’s Gerbil, Gerbillus dasyurus (Wagner, 1842) (Mammalia: Rodentia), in Lebanon. -* 48, 2009: 101-102. Ferhat Matur *A cytogenetic study on the Taurus Ground Squirrel, Spermophilus taurensisGündüz et al., 2007 (Mammalia: Rodentia), in Turkey.- * 48, 2009: 103-105. Saliha Coruh *Two little-known Ichneumonidae (Hymenoptera) from Turkey, including one new for the Turkish fauna. -* 48, 2009: 106-107. Yusuf Katilmis, Suat Kiyak *New records of oak gallwasps of the genus Andricus (Burgsdorf, 1783) from Turkey (Hymenoptera: Cynipidae). -* 48, 2009: 108-109. Selcuk Altinsacli, Songül Altinsacli *The freshwater ostracod Potamocypris producta (Sars, 1924) new for Turkey (Ostracoda: **Cyprididae). -* 48, 2009: 1100-111. Oya Özulug, Serpil Yaltalier *A new record for the Ostracoda fauna of Turkey: Candonopsis scourfieldiBrady, 1910 (Crustacea: Podocopida).- * 48, 2009: 112-113. Murat Kaya, Elisabeth A. Herniou, Timothy G. Barraclough, Diego Fontaneto *A faunistic survey of bdelloid rotifers in Turkey. -* 48, 2009: 114-116. Aydin Örstan *An observation of the mating of Chondrus tournefortianus (Pulmonata: Enidae). -* 48, 2009: 117-118. Tomas Pavlicek, Csaba Csuzdi, Yüksel Coskun *First earthworm records in Mesopotamia (Oligochaetae). -* 48, 2009: 119-120 . ** * - Zoology in the Middle East - - Peer-reviewed - Covered in the Science Citation Index - * [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ This list is maintained by the Ornithological Society of the Middle East, Caucasus and Central Asia. Read all about us at http://www.osme.org To unsubscribe by email send an empty email message to:- MEBirdNet-unsubscribe AT yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MEBirdNet/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MEBirdNet/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: MEBirdNet-digest AT yahoogroups.com MEBirdNet-fullfeatured AT yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: MEBirdNet-unsubscribe AT yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Subject: RE: Re: Removal of ember From: Yousef Ali Alzaoby <DQRZ AT HOTMAIL.COM> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:23:12 +0200 Welcome Abolghasem Yousef A project for Recording the birds in southern region of Syria(Dara'a & Sweida & Qunaitra ). Tel: +963944798034 Tel&fax: +96315248387 E-mail: dqrz AT hotmail.com Syria – Dara'a – Mousaifrh P.O.BOX \ 1 \ Yousef Ali Alzaoby-Freelance bird guide Member of Global Owl Project To: mebirdnet AT yahoogroups.com From: akhaleghizadeh AT gmail.com Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:35:37 +0330 Subject: [MEBirdNet] Re: Removal of ember Dear MEBIRDNET members Many many appologies for the troubles made to you and other people (I'm very ashamed and disgusted). I also don't know how to appreciate many people backing me. I must have leaved yahoo email due to lots of junk mails and before being subject to the fraud. But I could not leave easily because of having many contacts and my well-introduced email address for several years. You know the technology have both advantages and disadvantages. The MEBIRDNET itself is hosted by Yahoo groups! Of course I was aware of such crime occurred and I've not replied many many messages received even from Yahoo service warning abouth closing my email. Sometimes accidents occur not as simple as we think. I replied when I saw the Yahoo sign of Y! beside the sender asking my personal information and I thought the global recession made them to such decisions. Unfortunately I don't remember receiving your warnings! Maybe they were deleted before being seen by myself. For your more information, I lost all of my contact list over about 100 contacts. Anyway now I joint the MEBIRDNET again by my gmail addresses. Many many appologies once agin for the problems made to all of you. With best regards, Abolghasem ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 22:22:05 +0000 Subject: Removal of Member From: ianbirds AT gmail.com To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com Re: Mr Abolghasem Khaleghizadeh Many thanks for your various expressions of support for the above person. Abolghasem is in fact extremely well known to me - at least by email. We have corresponded for the last three years over the setting up an Iran Rarities Committee, an Iran Bird Record Database and finally because I help to edit the English articles of the journal he edits (PODOCES). He has been removed from the MEBirdnet Subscriber List because of repeated messages of a commercial and scam nature associated with his yahoo email address. This is standard procedure and I am sorry that a number of you did not understand this. After warnings from myself and from other friends, he realised there was a problem associated with his yahoo address and he has informed people in his contact list about this. He has been informed of his removal in a personal email from me to one of his two other email addresses and he has been invited to use one of these two addresses so that he can continue as an MEBirdnet subscriber. I hope the above sets people's minds at rest. I also hope that none of you were tempted to purchase one of the apparently extremely good value iphones or to send money to Nigeria. Ian Harrison MEBirdnet Moderator [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Keep your friends updated—even when you’re not signed in. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_5:092010 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ This list is maintained by the Ornithological Society of the Middle East, Caucasus and Central Asia. Read all about us at http://www.osme.org To unsubscribe by email send an empty email message to:- MEBirdNet-unsubscribe AT yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MEBirdNet/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MEBirdNet/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:MEBirdNet-digest AT yahoogroups.com mailto:MEBirdNet-fullfeatured AT yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: MEBirdNet-unsubscribe AT yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Subject: Re: Removal of ember From: Abolghasem Khaleghizadeh <akhaleghizadeh AT gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:35:37 +0330 Dear MEBIRDNET members Many many appologies for the troubles made to you and other people (I'm very ashamed and disgusted). I also don't know how to appreciate many people backing me. I must have leaved yahoo email due to lots of junk mails and before being subject to the fraud. But I could not leave easily because of having many contacts and my well-introduced email address for several years. You know the technology have both advantages and disadvantages. The MEBIRDNET itself is hosted by Yahoo groups! Of course I was aware of such crime occurred and I've not replied many many messages received even from Yahoo service warning abouth closing my email. Sometimes accidents occur not as simple as we think. I replied when I saw the Yahoo sign of Y! beside the sender asking my personal information and I thought the global recession made them to such decisions. Unfortunately I don't remember receiving your warnings! Maybe they were deleted before being seen by myself. For your more information, I lost all of my contact list over about 100 contacts. Anyway now I joint the MEBIRDNET again by my gmail addresses. Many many appologies once agin for the problems made to all of you. With best regards, Abolghasem ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 22:22:05 +0000 Subject: Removal of Member From: ianbirds AT gmail.com To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com Re: Mr Abolghasem Khaleghizadeh Many thanks for your various expressions of support for the above person. Abolghasem is in fact extremely well known to me - at least by email. We have corresponded for the last three years over the setting up an Iran Rarities Committee, an Iran Bird Record Database and finally because I help to edit the English articles of the journal he edits (PODOCES). He has been removed from the MEBirdnet Subscriber List because of repeated messages of a commercial and scam nature associated with his yahoo email address. This is standard procedure and I am sorry that a number of you did not understand this. After warnings from myself and from other friends, he realised there was a problem associated with his yahoo address and he has informed people in his contact list about this. He has been informed of his removal in a personal email from me to one of his two other email addresses and he has been invited to use one of these two addresses so that he can continue as an MEBirdnet subscriber. I hope the above sets people's minds at rest. I also hope that none of you were tempted to purchase one of the apparently extremely good value iphones or to send money to Nigeria. Ian Harrison MEBirdnet Moderator [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Removal of Member From: Ian Harrison <ianbirds AT gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 22:22:05 +0000 Re: Mr Abolghasem Khaleghizadeh Many thanks for your various expressions of support for the above person. Abolghasem is in fact extremely well known to me - at least by email. We have corresponded for the last three years over the setting up an Iran Rarities Committee, an Iran Bird Record Database and finally because I help to edit the English articles of the journal he edits (PODOCES). He has been removed from the MEBirdnet Subscriber List because of repeated messages of a commercial and scam nature associated with his yahoo email address. This is standard procedure and I am sorry that a number of you did not understand this. After warnings from myself and from other friends, he realised there was a problem associated with his yahoo address and he has informed people in his contact list about this. He has been informed of his removal in a personal email from me to one of his two other email addresses and he has been invited to use one of these two addresses so that he can continue as an MEBirdnet subscriber. I hope the above sets people's minds at rest. I also hope that none of you were tempted to purchase one of the apparently extremely good value iphones or to send money to Nigeria. Ian Harrison MEBirdnet Moderator [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: Removal of member From: "asmustim" <asmus.schroter AT helsinki.fi> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:03:50 -0000 Hi all, I am highly surprised about the fact that obviously these mails are considered to be authentic and personal for which the registered member of the forum could be called to account?! I think it was instantly obvious that the mail address was hijacked and abused by someone else? I don´t know Mr. Khaleghizadeh either, but in my opinion a removal would be justified only in case it could be clearly confirmed that he sent these mails personally and deliberately. At least the one I read was that typical stupid spam style, so I wouldn´t expect that! As anybody could be affected by these pirates it would be worthwhile to clarify this issue!? Regards, Asmus Schröter Subject: Re: Removal of member From: Peter Hellyer <hellyer AT emirates.net.ae> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:44:10 +0400 Ian, one of your predecessors (Keith Betton?) suspended posts from me two or three years ago for precisely the same reason. Someone had hijacked my e-mail address and was sending out spam messages. So Keith sent me a note to explain and said he would have to moderate messages before they were posted. After a week or so, it all died down and things got back to normal. Perhaps the same will happen this time But Abolghasem is legitimate as far as I am concerned. I do hope you are discussing the issue with him on his new e-mail address to get things sorted out Peter Hellyer Abu Dhabi ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:15 PM Subject: RE: [MEBirdNet] Removal of member > > Thanks for that, Simon Tull > > Nor have I met Abolghasem myself, but I have corresponded with him direct. > More to the point, he is known to Dr Derek Scott who is a leading > authority on Iranian birds and Derek has refered most favourably about > Abolghasem to me. > > I really do not believe he would be in on these spurious emails. > > cheers, Francis Argyle, UK > > ----Original Message---- > From: simon.tull AT btopenworld.com > Date: 02/11/2009 16:28 > To: > Subj: RE: [MEBirdNet] Removal of member > > > > > > > > I wasn't too surprised to find MEBirdNet being used to circulate spam but > I > was very surprised to see it appearing to come from Mr Khaleghizadeh. I > don't know the gentleman, but I have read his various contributions to the > mailing list and take the view, like Francis Argyle, that he is a serious > and bone fide member of the group. I share the suspicion that he is an > innocent in this matter. > > Regards to all > > Simon Tull > > Secretary, Oman Bird Group > > Muscat > > Sultanate of Oman > > _____ > > From: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf > Of franur3 AT tiscali.co.uk > Sent: 02 November 2009 19:52 > To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [MEBirdNet] Removal of member > > Ian, I believe that Abolghasem is a serious ornithologist and should not > be > struck off. This particular commercial mailing has also appeared on the > African Yahoo bird group. It is more likely that it is a case of stolen > identity than by the hand of Abolghasem > > cheers, Francis Argyle, UK > > ----Original Message---- > From: ianbirds AT gmail. com > Date: 02/11/2009 13:46 > To: ps.com> > Subj: [MEBirdNet] Removal of member > > Dear Member > > I have just removed Abolghasem Khaleghizadeh akhaleghizadeh AT > yahoo.com from the MEbirdnet list. I > had > warned him a week ago but he sent a further commercial email recently. > However, his ID may have been stolen - there is also a Nigerian scam > message > associated with his name. > > I hope nobody has been incovenienced or worse. > > Ian Harrison > Hon. Sec., OSME > Moderator, MEBirdnet > > Music for life! - http://www.tiscali. > co.uk/downloads > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Music for life! - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/downloads > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > This list is maintained by the Ornithological Society of the Middle East, > Caucasus and Central Asia. > > Read all about us at http://www.osme.org > > To unsubscribe by email send an empty email message to:- > MEBirdNet-unsubscribe AT yahoogroups.com > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > Subject: RE: Removal of member From: "franur3 AT tiscali.co.uk" <franur3@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:15:00 +0100 (GMT+01:00) Thanks for that, Simon Tull Nor have I met Abolghasem myself, but I have corresponded with him direct. More to the point, he is known to Dr Derek Scott who is a leading authority on Iranian birds and Derek has refered most favourably about Abolghasem to me. I really do not believe he would be in on these spurious emails. cheers, Francis Argyle, UK ----Original Message---- From: simon.tull AT btopenworld.com Date: 02/11/2009 16:28 To: Subj: RE: [MEBirdNet] Removal of member I wasn't too surprised to find MEBirdNet being used to circulate spam but I was very surprised to see it appearing to come from Mr Khaleghizadeh. I don't know the gentleman, but I have read his various contributions to the mailing list and take the view, like Francis Argyle, that he is a serious and bone fide member of the group. I share the suspicion that he is an innocent in this matter. Regards to all Simon Tull Secretary, Oman Bird Group Muscat Sultanate of Oman _____ From: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of franur3 AT tiscali.co.uk Sent: 02 November 2009 19:52 To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [MEBirdNet] Removal of member Ian, I believe that Abolghasem is a serious ornithologist and should not be struck off. This particular commercial mailing has also appeared on the African Yahoo bird group. It is more likely that it is a case of stolen identity than by the hand of Abolghasem cheers, Francis Argyle, UK ----Original Message---- From: ianbirds AT gmail. com Date: 02/11/2009 13:46 To: ps.com> Subj: [MEBirdNet] Removal of member Dear Member I have just removed Abolghasem Khaleghizadeh akhaleghizadeh AT yahoo.com from the MEbirdnet list. I had warned him a week ago but he sent a further commercial email recently. However, his ID may have been stolen - there is also a Nigerian scam message associated with his name. I hope nobody has been incovenienced or worse. Ian Harrison Hon. Sec., OSME Moderator, MEBirdnet Music for life! - http://www.tiscali. co.uk/downloads [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Music for life! - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/downloads [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: RE: Removal of member From: "simon.tull" <simon.tull AT btopenworld.com> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:28:42 +0400 I wasn't too surprised to find MEBirdNet being used to circulate spam but I was very surprised to see it appearing to come from Mr Khaleghizadeh. I don't know the gentleman, but I have read his various contributions to the mailing list and take the view, like Francis Argyle, that he is a serious and bone fide member of the group. I share the suspicion that he is an innocent in this matter. Regards to all Simon Tull Secretary, Oman Bird Group Muscat Sultanate of Oman _____ From: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of franur3 AT tiscali.co.uk Sent: 02 November 2009 19:52 To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [MEBirdNet] Removal of member Ian, I believe that Abolghasem is a serious ornithologist and should not be struck off. This particular commercial mailing has also appeared on the African Yahoo bird group. It is more likely that it is a case of stolen identity than by the hand of Abolghasem cheers, Francis Argyle, UK ----Original Message---- From: ianbirds AT gmail. com Date: 02/11/2009 13:46 To: ps.com> Subj: [MEBirdNet] Removal of member Dear Member I have just removed Abolghasem Khaleghizadeh akhaleghizadeh AT yahoo.com from the MEbirdnet list. I had warned him a week ago but he sent a further commercial email recently. However, his ID may have been stolen - there is also a Nigerian scam message associated with his name. I hope nobody has been incovenienced or worse. Ian Harrison Hon. Sec., OSME Moderator, MEBirdnet Music for life! - http://www.tiscali. co.uk/downloads [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: Removal of member From: "franur3 AT tiscali.co.uk" <franur3@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:52:04 +0100 (GMT+01:00) Ian, I believe that Abolghasem is a serious ornithologist and should not be struck off. This particular commercial mailing has also appeared on the African Yahoo bird group. It is more likely that it is a case of stolen identity than by the hand of Abolghasem cheers, Francis Argyle, UK ----Original Message---- From: ianbirds AT gmail.com Date: 02/11/2009 13:46 To: Subj: [MEBirdNet] Removal of member Dear Member I have just removed Abolghasem Khaleghizadeh akhaleghizadeh AT yahoo.com from the MEbirdnet list. I had warned him a week ago but he sent a further commercial email recently. However, his ID may have been stolen - there is also a Nigerian scam message associated with his name. I hope nobody has been incovenienced or worse. Ian Harrison Hon. Sec., OSME Moderator, MEBirdnet Music for life! - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/downloads [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: Removal of member From: <ArabianBirds AT dsl.pipex.com> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:17:28 -0000 Hi Ian, I think you are being a bit hard and premature on Abolghasem. I received and an almost identical email seeming to be from another associate recently, also needing cash fast!. This is just another example how everyone needs to be very careful about how they deal with emails that seem at all suspect. I also received several phone scam emails a short while ago, so perhaps Abolghasem has been caught on that one too. Abolghasem is most embarrassed and saddened by what has happened and has now closed his Yahoo email which he thinks is the problem. He now uses the hotmail address shown. For the record if ever I am stuck penniless in Nigeria I will not be asking OSME or its members to send money. Mike Jennings Coordinator: Atlas of the Breeding Birds of Arabia and Editor of the Phoenix newsletter (ISSN 0268-487X) Warners Farm House, Warners Drove, Somersham, Cambridgeshire, PE28 3WD, UK. Tel/Fax 01487 841733 (Intl 0044 1487 841733) Email: ArabianBirds AT dsl.pipex.com Website: http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/arabian.birds/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Harrison To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 2:13 PM Subject: Fwd: [MEBirdNet] Removal of member For your information I received the following email message shortly after my posting on MEBirdnet regarding the removal of Abolghasam. Ian harrison ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 2009/11/2 Subject: Re: [MEBirdNet] Removal of member To: Ian Ian, i checked this bloke's web-site and am pretty sure something wrong. They offer iPhones at an unrealistic price and ask for card payment. Best wish -jan -- SpiderTech Speranskintie 3 FI-00150 HELSINKI Tel +358-9-6822020 Fax +358-9-6822080 Cell +358-400-416652www.spidertech.fihttp://sivuvalossa.blogit.fi/ Please consider the impact on environment before printing this e-mail Ian kirjoitti: Dear Member I have just removed Abolghasem Khaleghizadeh akhaleghizadeh AT yahoo.comfrom the MEbirdnet list. I had warned him a week ago but he sent a further commercial email recently. However, his ID may have been stolen - there is also a Nigerian scam message associated with his name. I hope nobody has been incovenienced or worse. Ian Harrison Hon. Sec., OSME Moderator, MEBirdnet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Fwd: Removal of member From: Ian Harrison <ianbirds AT gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:13:30 +0000 For your information I received the following email message shortly after my posting on MEBirdnet regarding the removal of Abolghasam. Ian harrison ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 2009/11/2 Subject: Re: [MEBirdNet] Removal of member To: Ian Ian, i checked this bloke's web-site and am pretty sure something wrong. They offer iPhones at an unrealistic price and ask for card payment. Best wish -jan -- SpiderTech Speranskintie 3 FI-00150 HELSINKI Tel +358-9-6822020 Fax +358-9-6822080 Cell +358-400-416652www.spidertech.fihttp://sivuvalossa.blogit.fi/ Please consider the impact on environment before printing this e-mail Ian kirjoitti: Dear Member I have just removed Abolghasem Khaleghizadeh akhaleghizadeh AT yahoo.comfrom the MEbirdnet list. I had warned him a week ago but he sent a further commercial email recently. However, his ID may have been stolen - there is also a Nigerian scam message associated with his name. I hope nobody has been incovenienced or worse. Ian Harrison Hon. Sec., OSME Moderator, MEBirdnet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Removal of member From: "Ian" <ianbirds AT gmail.com> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:46:34 -0000 Dear Member I have just removed Abolghasem Khaleghizadeh akhaleghizadeh AT yahoo.com from the MEbirdnet list. I had warned him a week ago but he sent a further commercial email recently. However, his ID may have been stolen - there is also a Nigerian scam message associated with his name. I hope nobody has been incovenienced or worse. Ian Harrison Hon. Sec., OSME Moderator, MEBirdnet Subject: White-breasted Waterhen, Saudi Arabia From: "grlbretagne" <grlbretagne AT yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:37:54 -0000 A White-breasted Waterhen was seen briefly & photographed at Sabkhat al Fasl, Jubail at about 06:15 on 30 0ctober, 2009. Previous accessible Arabian records refer to Oman & UAE. If anyone can supply documented information about previous Saudi records, that would be appreciated. At about 07:30 at the same site, we also recorded singles of Spur-winged Plover & White-tailed Lapwing together: two other rarities at this location. Graham Lobley Subject: RE: Syrian wildlife book From: Yousef Ali Alzaoby <DQRZ AT HOTMAIL.COM> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 03:57:43 +0200 Dear all Any body send Email this man Ahmad? Thanks A project for Recording the birds in southern region of Syria(Dara'a & Sweida & Qunaitra ). Tel: +963944798034 Tel&fax: +96315248387 E-mail: dqrz AT hotmail.com Syria – Dara'a – Mousaifrh P.O.BOX \ 1 \ Yousef Ali Alzaoby-Freelance bird guide Member of Global Owl Project To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com From: mudhafarsalim AT yahoo.com Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:01:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [MEBirdNet] Syrian wildlife book I know Ahmed .. He is very enthusuiast naturalist who wants to do something good in this field. I read the draft of his work "A Guide to the Biodiversity of Deer-Al-Zoor Area" which was very good initiation to describe this poorly-known but important area. His book was good and worth to be supported to increase the knowledge of this area and to support the local conservation efforts. Regards Mudhafar A. Salim Head of the Bird Division Nature Iraq org --- On Mon, 10/26/09, honeybuzzard1156 wrote: From: honeybuzzard1156 Subject: [MEBirdNet] Syrian wildlife book To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 4:06 PM Ahmad Aidek, who lives in NE Syria has written an identification book (in Arabic) about birds / flowers / mammals in his part of the country. He plans to print off 1000 copies and distribute them for free. Information in Arabic is clearly enormously important in a country where awareness about wildlife is very limited. Photographs are being included and there are still some gaps to be filled. These are listed below and anyone who is willing to help can email me (paul AT birdvideodvd. com ). Birds See-see Partridge, Black Francolin, Iraq Babbler. Mammals Wolf, Ruppells Fox, Striped Hyena, Crested Jerboa Any help would be very gratefully received. Paul Doherty [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Friends get your Flickr, Yelp, and Digg updates when they e-mail you. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_3:092010 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ This list is maintained by the Ornithological Society of the Middle East, Caucasus and Central Asia. Read all about us at http://www.osme.org To unsubscribe by email send an empty email message to:- MEBirdNet-unsubscribe AT yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MEBirdNet/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MEBirdNet/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:MEBirdNet-digest AT yahoogroups.com mailto:MEBirdNet-fullfeatured AT yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: MEBirdNet-unsubscribe AT yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Subject: Re: Syrian wildlife book From: mudhafar salim <mudhafarsalim AT yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:01:41 -0700 (PDT) I know Ahmed .. He is very enthusuiast naturalist who wants to do something good in this field. I read the draft of his work "A Guide to the Biodiversity of Deer-Al-Zoor Area" which was very good initiation to describe this poorly-known but important area. His book was good and worth to be supported to increase the knowledge of this area and to support the local conservation efforts.   Regards   Mudhafar A. Salim Head of the Bird Division Nature Iraq org --- On Mon, 10/26/09, honeybuzzard1156 wrote: From: honeybuzzard1156 Subject: [MEBirdNet] Syrian wildlife book To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 4:06 PM   Ahmad Aidek, who lives in NE Syria has written an identification book (in Arabic) about birds / flowers / mammals in his part of the country. He plans to print off 1000 copies and distribute them for free. Information in Arabic is clearly enormously important in a country where awareness about wildlife is very limited. Photographs are being included and there are still some gaps to be filled. These are listed below and anyone who is willing to help can email me (paul AT birdvideodvd. com ). Birds See-see Partridge, Black Francolin, Iraq Babbler. Mammals Wolf, Ruppells Fox, Striped Hyena, Crested Jerboa Any help would be very gratefully received. Paul Doherty [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: Syrian wildlife book From: Anton Khalilieh <anton_khalilieh AT yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Hi Paul I am a Palestinian Birder, Bird ringer, and photographer. I am so glad to hear about publishing such a great book, especially it is in Arabic. I will be so happy to support this work by using some of my bird pictures in this book. Please follow the links: http://pa.photoshelter.com/c/apollo/gallery/WILDLIFE/G0000jdxv3iaJlJ8 http://www.flickr.com . Then search the website for Birds of Palestine (Page 1-5) If you needed any of the pictures, please e mail me back and i will send you the pictures with a high resolution (maximum 28 MP.) I have more photos for more bird species but unfortunately i did not put them on website yet, so if other species are needed please contact me. Is it possible to get the contact information of Ahmad Aidek?. Best Anton I. Khalilieh MSc Student, Environmental Studies Mitrani Department of Desert Ecology Jacob Blaustein Institutes for Desert Research Ben-Gurion University of the Negav Sede Boqer Campus 84990, Midreshet Ben-Gurion, Israel Mobile #: 0528006447 E mail: anton_khalilieh AT yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: Syrian wildlife book From: riyat gul <riyattgul AT yahoo.com.tr> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:05:45 +0000 (GMT) You are welcome Paul, I would be pleased to go birding together, Riyat ________________________________ From: "aykurt1 AT superonline.com" To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 26 October, 2009 19:22:26 Subject: Re: [MEBirdNet] Syrian wildlife book   Thanks Riyat , I hope to see you  in Ankara . On Mon 26/10/09 16:06 , riyat gul riyattgul AT yahoo. com.tr sent:   Hi Paul, I'm a Turkish birder and photographer. !'m happy to hear about such books and want to support this project. Albeit my photographs are available in an album in the web (addressed below) I would recommend you entering to the Turkish Birds and Mammals Photography sites and ask for the photos you need. The photoes are of very good quality in those sites. Unfortunately both sites are in Turkish but you can enter to the species page by following the link "Turkiyenin kuslari" in the main page and choose the bird's (or mammal's) name either in Latin or in English. You' ll see the owner's nickname under the photo and by clicking on the nickname you'll reach to the member's page. You can send an e-mail to the owner and request permit by clicking on the "uyeye mail at". Most of the members of those sites can speak English. In case of difficulty you are welcome to ask for any kind of help. Best regards Riyat GUL Bird research society Ankara-Turkey My albums: www.picasaweb. google.com/ cilibit Turkish bird photo. site: www.trakus.org Mammals site: www.tramem.org ____________ _________ _________ __ From: honeybuzzard1156 To: Sent: Monday, 26 October, 2009 15:06:16 Subject: [MEBirdNet] Syrian wildlife book   Ahmad Aidek, who lives in NE Syria has written an identification book (in Arabic) about birds / flowers / mammals in his part of the country. He plans to print off 1000 copies and distribute them for free. Information in Arabic is clearly enormously important in a country where awareness about wildlife is very limited. Photographs are being included and there are still some gaps to be filled. These are listed below and anyone who is willing to help can email me (paul AT birdvideodvd. com ). Birds See-see Partridge, Black Francolin, Iraq Babbler. Mammals Wolf, Ruppells Fox, Striped Hyena, Crested Jerboa Any help would be very gratefully received. Paul Doherty [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: Syrian wildlife book From: aykurt1 AT superonline.com Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:22:26 +0200 Thanks Riyat , I hope to see you  in Ankara . On Mon 26/10/09 16:06 , riyat gul riyattgul AT yahoo.com.tr sent:   Hi Paul, I'm a Turkish birder and photographer. !'m happy to hear about such books and want to support this project. Albeit my photographs are available in an album in the web (addressed below) I would recommend you entering to the Turkish Birds and Mammals Photography sites and ask for the photos you need. The photoes are of very good quality in those sites. Unfortunately both sites are in Turkish but you can enter to the species page by following the link "Turkiyenin kuslari" in the main page and choose the bird's (or mammal's) name either in Latin or in English. You' ll see the owner's nickname under the photo and by clicking on the nickname you'll reach to the member's page. You can send an e-mail to the owner and request permit by clicking on the "uyeye mail at". Most of the members of those sites can speak English. In case of difficulty you are welcome to ask for any kind of help. Best regards Riyat GUL Bird research society Ankara-Turkey My albums: www.picasaweb.google.com/cilibit Turkish bird photo. site: www.trakus.org Mammals site: www.tramem.org ________________________________ From: honeybuzzard1156 To: Sent: Monday, 26 October, 2009 15:06:16 Subject: [MEBirdNet] Syrian wildlife book   Ahmad Aidek, who lives in NE Syria has written an identification book (in Arabic) about birds / flowers / mammals in his part of the country. He plans to print off 1000 copies and distribute them for free. Information in Arabic is clearly enormously important in a country where awareness about wildlife is very limited. Photographs are being included and there are still some gaps to be filled. These are listed below and anyone who is willing to help can email me (paul AT birdvideodvd. com ). Birds See-see Partridge, Black Francolin, Iraq Babbler. Mammals Wolf, Ruppells Fox, Striped Hyena, Crested Jerboa Any help would be very gratefully received. Paul Doherty [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: Syrian wildlife book From: riyat gul <riyattgul AT yahoo.com.tr> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:06:45 +0000 (GMT) Hi Paul, I'm a Turkish birder and photographer. !'m happy to hear about such books and want to support this project. Albeit my photographs are available in an album in the web (addressed below) I would recommend you entering to the Turkish Birds and Mammals Photography sites and ask for the photos you need. The photoes are of very good quality in those sites. Unfortunately both sites are in Turkish but you can enter to the species page by following the link "Turkiyenin kuslari" in the main page and choose the bird's (or mammal's) name either in Latin or in English. You'll see the owner's nickname under the photo and by clicking on the nickname you'll reach to the member's page. You can send an e-mail to the owner and request permit by clicking on the "uyeye mail at". Most of the members of those sites can speak English. In case of difficulty you are welcome to ask for any kind of help. Best regards Riyat GUL Bird research society Ankara-Turkey My albums: www.picasaweb.google.com/cilibit Turkish bird photo. site: www.trakus.org Mammals site: www.tramem.org ________________________________ From: honeybuzzard1156 To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 26 October, 2009 15:06:16 Subject: [MEBirdNet] Syrian wildlife book   Ahmad Aidek, who lives in NE Syria has written an identification book (in Arabic) about birds / flowers / mammals in his part of the country. He plans to print off 1000 copies and distribute them for free. Information in Arabic is clearly enormously important in a country where awareness about wildlife is very limited. Photographs are being included and there are still some gaps to be filled. These are listed below and anyone who is willing to help can email me (paul AT birdvideodvd. com ). Birds See-see Partridge, Black Francolin, Iraq Babbler. Mammals Wolf, Ruppells Fox, Striped Hyena, Crested Jerboa Any help would be very gratefully received. Paul Doherty [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Syrian wildlife book From: "honeybuzzard1156" <paul AT birdvideodvd.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:06:16 -0000 Ahmad Aidek, who lives in NE Syria has written an identification book (in Arabic) about birds / flowers / mammals in his part of the country. He plans to print off 1000 copies and distribute them for free. Information in Arabic is clearly enormously important in a country where awareness about wildlife is very limited. Photographs are being included and there are still some gaps to be filled. These are listed below and anyone who is willing to help can email me (paul AT birdvideodvd.com ). Birds See-see Partridge, Black Francolin, Iraq Babbler. Mammals Wolf, Ruppells Fox, Striped Hyena, Crested Jerboa Any help would be very gratefully received. Paul Doherty [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: RE: Dubai - birding sites, distances and feasibilty From: "Colin Richardson" <Richar AT cytanet.com.cy> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:40:09 +0300 Hi Colin, There are many UAE-based birders on this forum and I believe all would recommend you check-out www.uaebirding.com for all the answers to your queries, one of the best birding sites in Arabia, run by UAE Bird Recorder Tommy Pedersen. Late October is one of the best times to visit and you should have some great sightings even if your time is limited. Cheers, Colin Colin Richardson BirdLife Cyprus Bird Recorder P.O. Box 62893 8069 Paphos Cyprus Tel (00357) 26946682 _____ From: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of colin.mcnamee AT printpost.ie Sent: 16 October 2009 10:54 To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com Subject: [MEBirdNet] Dubai - birding sites, distances and feasibilty Hi, I will be in Dubai for the last week in October and will have some free but limited time for birding. If there are any Dubai based birders on the list, I'd be grateful for any assistance they can provide regarding choosing where to go and what species are currently around. It could save a lot of wasted effort and time, If you could reply directly, that would be great to colin.mcnamee AT printpost.ie Many thanks Colin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Dubai - birding sites, distances and feasibilty From: <colin.mcnamee AT printpost.ie> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:53:34 +0100 Hi, I will be in Dubai for the last week in October and will have some free but limited time for birding. If there are any Dubai based birders on the list, I'd be grateful for any assistance they can provide regarding choosing where to go and what species are currently around. It could save a lot of wasted effort and time, If you could reply directly, that would be great to colin.mcnamee AT printpost.ie Many thanks Colin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: RE: Posting trip reports on OSME website - how? From: "Avner Cohen" <AvnerCo AT fundtech.co.il> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:02:53 +0200 Hi Tristan, PDF would be just fine, we can than have it for the benefit of other birders in the following format: http://www.israbirding.com/reports/birding_reports/march_14_28_2009/ Regards, Avner Cohen Office: 972-3-6116537 Cell: 972-52-6116537 ________________________________ From: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tristan Norton Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:55 PM To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [MEBirdNet] Posting trip reports on OSME website - how? Hi Avner, Many thanks - I'd be delighted for you to use my report. How would you like it? I have a PDF file and word document. Regards, Tristan --- On Mon, 12/10/09, Avner Cohen > wrote: From: Avner Cohen > Subject: RE: [MEBirdNet] Posting trip reports on OSME website - how? To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 12 October, 2009, 1:56 PM Hi Tristan, In case you are interested, we will be happy to post it over the israbirding. com reports section: < http://www.israbird ing.com/reports/ birding_reports/> Regards, Avner Cohen Office: 972-3-6116537 Cell: 972-52-6116537 ____________ _________ _________ __ From: MEBirdNet AT yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:MEBirdNet AT yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of bluechaffinch Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 2:38 PM To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogrou ps.com Subject: [MEBirdNet] Posting trip reports on OSME website - how? Hi there, Bit of a technical query - I have a report of a recent trip to Israel and would like to post it on the OSME website. Any idea how? There don't appear to be any recent reports at all on the site and no obvious way to submit. Any help would be most appreciated. Many thanks, Tristan Norton, UK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: RE: Posting trip reports on OSME website - how? From: Tristan Norton <bluechaffinch AT yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:55:18 +0000 (GMT) Hi Avner,   Many thanks - I'd be delighted for you to use my report. How would you like it? I have a PDF file and word document.   Regards,   Tristan --- On Mon, 12/10/09, Avner Cohen wrote: From: Avner Cohen Subject: RE: [MEBirdNet] Posting trip reports on OSME website - how? To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 12 October, 2009, 1:56 PM   Hi Tristan, In case you are interested, we will be happy to post it over the israbirding. com reports section: < http://www.israbird ing.com/reports/ birding_reports/> Regards, Avner Cohen Office: 972-3-6116537 Cell: 972-52-6116537 ____________ _________ _________ __ From: MEBirdNet AT yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:MEBirdNet AT yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of bluechaffinch Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 2:38 PM To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogrou ps.com Subject: [MEBirdNet] Posting trip reports on OSME website - how? Hi there, Bit of a technical query - I have a report of a recent trip to Israel and would like to post it on the OSME website. Any idea how? There don't appear to be any recent reports at all on the site and no obvious way to submit. Any help would be most appreciated. Many thanks, Tristan Norton, UK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: RE: Posting trip reports on OSME website - how? From: "Avner Cohen" <AvnerCo AT fundtech.co.il> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:56:38 +0200 Hi Tristan, In case you are interested, we will be happy to post it over the israbirding.com reports section: < http://www.israbirding.com/reports/birding_reports/> Regards, Avner Cohen Office: 972-3-6116537 Cell: 972-52-6116537 ________________________________ From: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bluechaffinch Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 2:38 PM To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com Subject: [MEBirdNet] Posting trip reports on OSME website - how? Hi there, Bit of a technical query - I have a report of a recent trip to Israel and would like to post it on the OSME website. Any idea how? There don't appear to be any recent reports at all on the site and no obvious way to submit. Any help would be most appreciated. Many thanks, Tristan Norton, UK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Posting trip reports on OSME website - how? From: "bluechaffinch" <bluechaffinch AT yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:38:08 -0000 Hi there, Bit of a technical query - I have a report of a recent trip to Israel and would like to post it on the OSME website. Any idea how? There don't appear to be any recent reports at all on the site and no obvious way to submit. Any help would be most appreciated. Many thanks, Tristan Norton, UK Subject: Other ME links: Yemen, UAE, Oman, Saudi Arabia From: "Valery" <valeryschollaert AT scarlet.be> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:50:02 -0000 Hi all, Thanks Ian for forwarding that Egypt message. I'm now ready with YEMEN http://www.valeryschollaert.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=407&Itemid=349 OMAN http://www.valeryschollaert.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=585&Itemid=349 EMIRATES http://www.valeryschollaert.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=408&Itemid=349 SAUDI ARABIA http://www.valeryschollaert.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=409&Itemid=349 All comments or addition for improving those pages are really welcome. I hope to finish all Middle-Eastern pages this month. A very exciting area indeed! Regards, Valéry Schollaert --- In MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com, Ian Harrison wrote: > > Members may be interested in the following on Egypt. > > Ian Harrison > Moderator, ME Birdnet > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Valery > Date: 2009/10/6 > Subject: [WestPalBirds] Egypt links... > To: WestPalBirds AT yahoogroups.com > > > > > Hi all, > > I just finish Egypt page. > http://www.valeryschollaert.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=341&Itemid=349 > > I expected much more links and photo websites... did I miss some? May be > I'll find more while preparing Israël page... > > If you know other links to be added, please e-mail me! > > Thanks > > Valéry > > --- In WestPalBirds AT yahoogroups.com , > "Valery" wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > After a long silence, I'm back with my world birding pages, that time with > Cape Verde > > > > > http://www.valeryschollaert.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=437&Itemid=349 > > > > I've improved oganisation of the page, and this is the first one fully > available in English, French, Portuguese and Spanish (click on the flag to > chose your language). > > > > Any links to be added, any comment are welcome. > > > > Thanks for your help; I was optimistic expecting finishing WP for > September... now I think December is a possibility. I just don't dare > starting UK... > > :-) > > > > Cheers > > > > Valéry > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Subject: Request: Odd breeding sites of C. daurica in Kyrgyzstan From: "asmustim" <asmus.schroter AT helsinki.fi> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 09:02:00 -0000 Dear all, a typical breeding place of Cecropis daurica in the Kyrgyz Fergana–valley and the adjacent "lowland" seems to be f.ex the beton ruins and left-overs of soviet collective sheep farms etc. spread all over the landscape. This breeding places are often surprisingly low, often only a meter or so above the ground. Moreover and to my big surprise in some small villages in the Rayon of Bazar Korgon I found daurica frequently breeding in very dark and cave-like small "buildings" like the typical southern kyrgyz mudbrick hen-houses or sheep-shelter, that offer beside the small door or a small hole for the hens to move in and out no more lightsource and the interior space is almost entirely dark! Please see the uploaded three photos (files!) named "Daurica hen-shelter Gumchana", and "Daurica Gumchana2" and "Daurica Gumchana3". This photos were made in the small village of Gumchana close to Arslanbob/Jajalabad Oblast and show the typicall building for small livestock in every Kyrgyz backyard. In that village alone a pointed search provided more then ten examples of breeding daurica in such "caves" much more darker and smaller than f.ex.the typical rustica-cowhouses! More over in the example shown on the photos the two daurica pairs were accompanied by a pair of Parus flavipectus raising its offspring in an abondened nest of daurica. I am pretty familiar with daurica and it´s typical nesting behaviour on bridges, mosques, tunnels etc. at least within its mediterranean breeding area, but this "cave-breeding" was a surprise for me and the relevant literature regularly just states "buildings", "bridges" etc, which I would not associate directly with these dark, small and low "caves" shown on the photos. Has anyone of you ever seen comparable daurica breeding sites elsewhere? Is it just a gap in my knowledge and this behaviour might be more common and more widespread than I assume? Any comments are highly appreciated! Kind regards, Asmus Schröter Subject: Fwd: [WestPalBirds] Egypt links... From: Ian Harrison <ianbirds AT gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 05:39:45 +0100 Members may be interested in the following on Egypt. Ian Harrison Moderator, ME Birdnet ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Valery Date: 2009/10/6 Subject: [WestPalBirds] Egypt links... To: WestPalBirds AT yahoogroups.com Hi all, I just finish Egypt page. http://www.valeryschollaert.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=341&Itemid=349 I expected much more links and photo websites... did I miss some? May be I'll find more while preparing Israël page... If you know other links to be added, please e-mail me! Thanks Valéry --- In WestPalBirds AT yahoogroups.com , "Valery" wrote: > > Hi all, > > After a long silence, I'm back with my world birding pages, that time with Cape Verde > > http://www.valeryschollaert.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=437&Itemid=349 > > I've improved oganisation of the page, and this is the first one fully available in English, French, Portuguese and Spanish (click on the flag to chose your language). > > Any links to be added, any comment are welcome. > > Thanks for your help; I was optimistic expecting finishing WP for September... now I think December is a possibility. I just don't dare starting UK... > :-) > > Cheers > > Valéry > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: Request for Numenius morphometrics From: "M.Istvan" <idegenvezeto AT yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 02:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Norman, I really appreciate it. Please send them trough as soon as you can. Sure,  I will buy any specimen available in the markets, took DNA samples and preserve them as well. It was the original idea, but I was lazy to mention all details now. That will be mentioned in the guideline. I will be happy to handle them to any European museum which will be ready to preserve them as a "balg". I will cover the cost of the birds from the market, and I will store them as much as I can. It would be useful to get an official permit to take them out of the country.  But first of all, I hope that I will find only live specimens. Many of them are stored alive as the merchants do not have refrigerators. Ugly death for the poor birds, by starvation, thirst and stress in a market... Steve Moldován István   Ornithologist     Contact person of OSME- Egypt Mobile: Egypt: 002-0161472905              Hungary: 0036706413000   www.birdinginegypt.com   --- On Mon, 10/5/09, Norman D.van Swelm wrote: From: Norman D.van Swelm Subject: Re: [MEBirdNet] Request for Numenius morphometrics To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com, "Egypt Bird Group" , "WestPal Birdlist" , "ABC" Cc: "NicolaCrockford" Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 12:03 PM   Dear Steve, I could photograph, if you like, the relevant sections for you from 'Geographical variations in Waders' by Engelmoer & Roselaar which is the best source available. If I may add a word of advice: there are very few curlew/whimbrel specimen available in collections from the ME & Africa. For instance in the Nat.His.Mus. in Leiden, The Netherlands we have one N.a.sushkini, one N.a.orientalis and one N.p.alboaxillaris from Africa! So if it possible I suggest you buy and preserve the birds on offer. Also I suggest to take DNA samples from and photograph each bird you are able to get. Good luck, Norman >As you may already know, the last push in the search of the critically endangered Sllender-billed Curlew begin this autumn. In collaboration with SBC Working group www.slenderbilledcu rlew.net , I am drafting a proposal in order to search the bird markets all around North Africa and Middle East. There will be practical guidelines, with morphometrics of the 3 Curlews, in order to be able to measure and ID the possible Curlews for sale in the markets. I would like to ask your help regarding the morphometrics of each of the 3 species (bill lenght, bill + skull, tarsus, wing lenght, wing formula, etc, etc.) If there is anyone of you in possesion of such kind of informations, please send it to my address, or to Nicola Crockford nicola.crockford AT rspb.org. uk. Another important issue would be to translate this proposal into arabic. Is anyone willing to do this? It will be no more than one page. Thanks for your cooperation, Steve Moldován István Ornithologist Contact person of OSME- Egypt Mobile: Egypt: 002-0161472905 Hungary: 0036706413000 www.birdinginegypt. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: SBC From: "M.Istvan" <idegenvezeto AT yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 02:25:48 -0700 (PDT) Lali ! good to hear from you ! Well, I am not sure about it, but I am definitely interested in the mentioned articles. send them trough. As far as I know, there is no overlap in the bill`s length, and a few other morpho`s. I don`t know on which basis the authors are presuming to be a hybrid. I would be glad to hear also the vocalization of the bird, as I have only the description of the call. There was mentioned anything regarding mDNA sampling and analysis in the articles? Looking forward to her from you, and switch to private in order to spare the others from our disscusions. And it will be far more simple for us to disscuse in hungarian, I suppose:) Steve Moldován István   Ornithologist     Contact person of OSME- Egypt Mobile: Egypt: 002-0161472905              Hungary: 0036706413000   www.birdinginegypt.com   --- On Mon, 10/5/09, NL wrote: From: NL Subject: [MEBirdNet] SBC To: "mebirdnet" Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 11:49 AM Hi Buddy, Checking the markets on an organized way is certainly a great idea! Which was interesting, some people saying SBC is possibly a hybrid between Curlew and Whimbrel, I wasn't looking for articles, but I would be very curious for details? (Its sad, but the last confirmed sighting was here in Hungary, 2001 with Janos Olah jr. and a japanese group.) Regards, Lajos ************************************** Lajos Nemeth-Boka, managing director GreenEye Ecotours & Images http://greeneye.org.uk ________________________________________________________ Genertel biztosítások online, néhány perc alatt! Kötelezõ? Casco? Lakásbiztosítás? Számolja ki díját és szerzõdjön online, mindenféle papírmunka nélkül! Kérjen ajánlatot most! http://ad.adverticum.net/b/cl,1,6022,311580,382434/click.prm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ This list is maintained by the Ornithological Society of the Middle East, Caucasus and Central Asia. Read all about us at http://www.osme.org To unsubscribe by email send an empty email message to:- MEBirdNet-unsubscribe AT yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: Request for Numenius morphometrics From: "Norman D.van Swelm" <Norman.vanswelm AT wxs.nl> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:03:31 +0200 Dear Steve, I could photograph, if you like, the relevant sections for you from 'Geographical variations in Waders' by Engelmoer & Roselaar which is the best source available. If I may add a word of advice: there are very few curlew/whimbrel specimen available in collections from the ME & Africa. For instance in the Nat.His.Mus. in Leiden, The Netherlands we have one N.a.sushkini, one N.a.orientalis and one N.p.alboaxillaris from Africa! So if it possible I suggest you buy and preserve the birds on offer. Also I suggest to take DNA samples from and photograph each bird you are able to get. Good luck, Norman >As you may already know, the last push in the search of the critically endangered Sllender-billed Curlew begin this autumn. In collaboration with SBC Working group www.slenderbilledcurlew.net , I am drafting a proposal in order to search the bird markets all around North Africa and Middle East. There will be practical guidelines, with morphometrics of the 3 Curlews, in order to be able to measure and ID the possible Curlews for sale in the markets. I would like to ask your help regarding the morphometrics of each of the 3 species (bill lenght, bill + skull, tarsus, wing lenght, wing formula, etc, etc.) If there is anyone of you in possesion of such kind of informations, please send it to my address, or to Nicola Crockford nicola.crockford AT rspb.org.uk. Another important issue would be to translate this proposal into arabic. Is anyone willing to do this? It will be no more than one page. Thanks for your cooperation, Steve Moldován István Ornithologist Contact person of OSME- Egypt Mobile: Egypt: 002-0161472905 Hungary: 0036706413000 www.birdinginegypt.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: SBC From: NL <gelists6 AT freemail.hu> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:49:37 +0200 (CEST) Hi Buddy, Checking the markets on an organized way is certainly a great idea! Which was interesting, some people saying SBC is possibly a hybrid between Curlew and Whimbrel, I wasn't looking for articles, but I would be very curious for details? (Its sad, but the last confirmed sighting was here in Hungary, 2001 with Janos Olah jr. and a japanese group.) Regards, Lajos ************************************** Lajos Nemeth-Boka, managing director GreenEye Ecotours & Images http://greeneye.org.uk ________________________________________________________ Genertel biztosítások online, néhány perc alatt! Kötelezõ? Casco? Lakásbiztosítás? Számolja ki díját és szerzõdjön online, mindenféle papírmunka nélkül! Kérjen ajánlatot most! http://ad.adverticum.net/b/cl,1,6022,311580,382434/click.prm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ This list is maintained by the Ornithological Society of the Middle East, Caucasus and Central Asia. Read all about us at http://www.osme.org To unsubscribe by email send an empty email message to:- MEBirdNet-unsubscribe AT yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MEBirdNet/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MEBirdNet/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:MEBirdNet-digest AT yahoogroups.com mailto:MEBirdNet-fullfeatured AT yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: MEBirdNet-unsubscribe AT yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Subject: Re: Request for Numenius morphometrics From: mudhafar salim <mudhafarsalim AT yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 01:37:13 -0700 (PDT) It would be my pleasure to translate your proposal into Arabic. Just finish it, and send it me as Word file.   Regards   Mudhafar A. Salim Head of Bird Division Nature Iraq mudhafar.salim AT natureiraq.org mudhafarsalim AT yahoo.com --- On Mon, 10/5/09, M.Istvan wrote: From: M.Istvan Subject: [MEBirdNet] Request for Numenius morphometrics To: "Egypt Bird Group" , "Middle East" , "WestPal Birdlist" , "ABC" Cc: "NicolaCrockford" Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 11:21 AM   Dear Friends, As you may already know, the last push in the search of the critically endangered  Sllender-billed Curlew begin this autumn.   In collaboration with SBC Working group www.slenderbilledcu rlew.net , I am drafting a proposal in order to search the bird markets all around North Africa and Middle East. There will be practical guidelines, with morphometrics of the 3 Curlews, in order to be able to measure and ID  the possible Curlews for sale in the markets. I would like to ask your help regarding the morphometrics of each of the 3 species (bill lenght, bill + skull, tarsus, wing lenght, wing formula, etc, etc.)  If there is anyone of you in possesion of such kind of informations, please send it to my address, or to Nicola Crockford nicola.crockford AT rspb.org. uk. Another important issue would be to translate this proposal into arabic. Is anyone willing to do this? It will be no more than one page. Thanks for your cooperation, Steve Moldován István   Ornithologist     Contact person of OSME- Egypt Mobile: Egypt: 002-0161472905              Hungary: 0036706413000   www.birdinginegypt. com   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: Request for Numenius morphometrics From: mudhafar salim <mudhafarsalim AT yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 01:37:13 -0700 (PDT) It would be my pleasure to translate your proposal into Arabic. Just finish it, and send it me as Word file.   Regards   Mudhafar A. Salim Head of Bird Division Nature Iraq mudhafar.salim AT natureiraq.org mudhafarsalim AT yahoo.com --- On Mon, 10/5/09, M.Istvan wrote: From: M.Istvan Subject: [MEBirdNet] Request for Numenius morphometrics To: "Egypt Bird Group" , "Middle East" , "WestPal Birdlist" , "ABC" Cc: "NicolaCrockford" Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 11:21 AM   Dear Friends, As you may already know, the last push in the search of the critically endangered  Sllender-billed Curlew begin this autumn.   In collaboration with SBC Working group www.slenderbilledcu rlew.net , I am drafting a proposal in order to search the bird markets all around North Africa and Middle East. There will be practical guidelines, with morphometrics of the 3 Curlews, in order to be able to measure and ID  the possible Curlews for sale in the markets. I would like to ask your help regarding the morphometrics of each of the 3 species (bill lenght, bill + skull, tarsus, wing lenght, wing formula, etc, etc.)  If there is anyone of you in possesion of such kind of informations, please send it to my address, or to Nicola Crockford nicola.crockford AT rspb.org. uk. Another important issue would be to translate this proposal into arabic. Is anyone willing to do this? It will be no more than one page. Thanks for your cooperation, Steve Moldován István   Ornithologist     Contact person of OSME- Egypt Mobile: Egypt: 002-0161472905              Hungary: 0036706413000   www.birdinginegypt. com   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Request for Numenius morphometrics From: "M.Istvan" <idegenvezeto AT yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 01:21:12 -0700 (PDT) Dear Friends, As you may already know, the last push in the search of the critically endangered  Sllender-billed Curlew begin this autumn.   In collaboration with SBC Working group www.slenderbilledcurlew.net , I am drafting a proposal in order to search the bird markets all around North Africa and Middle East. There will be practical guidelines, with morphometrics of the 3 Curlews, in order to be able to measure and ID  the possible Curlews for sale in the markets. I would like to ask your help regarding the morphometrics of each of the 3 species (bill lenght, bill + skull, tarsus, wing lenght, wing formula, etc, etc.)  If there is anyone of you in possesion of such kind of informations, please send it to my address, or to Nicola Crockford nicola.crockford AT rspb.org.uk. Another important issue would be to translate this proposal into arabic. Is anyone willing to do this? It will be no more than one page. Thanks for your cooperation, Steve Moldován István   Ornithologist     Contact person of OSME- Egypt Mobile: Egypt: 002-0161472905              Hungary: 0036706413000   www.birdinginegypt.com   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: OSME Summer Meeting 2010 From: "Ian" <ianbirds AT gmail.com> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 05:20:08 -0000 Advance Notice The 2010 Summer Meeting (and AGM)of the Ornithological Society of the Middle East, the Caucasus and Central Asia (OSME)has been scheduled for Saturday 10 July at the BTO Headquarters, Thetford, Norfolk. Make a note in your diary! Ian Harrison Hon. Sec., OSME Subject: RE: ID Help Warbler in Kuwait From: Sherif Baha El Din <sherif_baha AT hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 17:00:52 +0000 hi Richard looks like wood warbler Sherif Baha El Din, PhD Environmental Consultant 3 Abdala El Katib St, Dokki, Cairo, Egypt. Tel/Fax: 202-37608160 Mobile: 0122180709 To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com From: kwibirder AT gmail.com Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:39:10 +0000 Subject: [MEBirdNet] ID Help Warbler in Kuwait I've uploaded two photos of warbler seen on 25 Sep 2009. ID help please. Richard Saval kwibirder AT gmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: ID Help Warbler in Kuwait From: LGREUK400 AT aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 11:55:23 EDT Hi Richard Unfortunately, I couldn't enlarge your small images of the bird but in the first shot the bird looks like a Willow Warbler but in the second a Wood Warbler. If you can enlarge the bird from your original and then place that up, it should be readily identifiable All the very best Lee Evans [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: ID Help Warbler in Kuwait From: "svlrchrd" <kwibirder AT gmail.com> Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:39:10 -0000 I've uploaded two photos of warbler seen on 25 Sep 2009. ID help please. Richard Saval kwibirder AT gmail.com Subject: RSPB / Birdfair grants From: "keith_betton" <keith_betton AT hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 19:10:46 -0000 Dear friends and colleagues Apologies for cross-postings. This is a reminder that tomorrow is the closing date of the 2009 call for applications to the Birdfair/RSPB Research Fund for Endangered Birds. This fund gives awards of up to $2000 to researchers working on species listed by IUCN/BirdLife International as Critically Endangered, Endangered and Data Deficient. Further details are on the application form, which can be downloaded from http://www.rspb.org.uk/ourwork/science/international/smallgrants/endange redbirdgrants.asp Please forward this email to anyone you think might be interested in applying. We will be happy to accept applications up to the end of this week. Best wishes Paul Dr Paul F. Donald Principal Conservation Scientist International Research Team RSPB The Lodge Sandy Bedfordshire SG19 2DL UK phone (direct dial): +44 (0)1767 693063 phone (switchboard): +44 (0)1767 680551 fax: +44 (0)1767 692365 email: paul.donald AT ... www.rspb.org.uk Subject: Birding destination survey From: "keith_betton" <keith_betton AT hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:52:13 -0000 Dear all This is not strictly a Middle East questionnaire, but it includes the region within it - as well as all continents. If you are happy to spare a few minutes it would be great to get your input. The results will appear in Birdwatch magazine. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=MAJ4KnHyueelSVblMyynkA_3d_3d Regards Keith Subject: Terek Sandpiper with leg-flag Kyrgyzstan From: "asmustim" <asmus.schroter AT helsinki.fi> Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:26:27 -0000 Dear all, in late May I found a Terek Sandpiper with one bright yellow leg-flag without any inscriptions on the left tibiotarsus and surprisingly no metal ring at all! The bird was one of roughly 105 birds present at a pond area with muddy and almost dry fishponds not far from Bishkek, the capital of Kyrgyzstan. I had very good sighting conditions out of the car on a navigable small dam from a minimum distance and I am sure that it didn´t bear a metal ring. The european projects working with Xenus registered at euring only use color-rings and the only project to my knowledge working since a long time with leg-flags is Asia-Pacific Shorebird Network, but all the used flags show inscripted numbers or letters, needless to say they all use the national metal rings as well. In my opinion it is higly unlikely that a (proper) fixed metal ring will drop off before the plastic leg-flag, if at all (!?) Has enyone suggestions about the history of that bird and the origin of that leg-flag or knows a "project" that provides waders only with leg-flags without metal rings? Regards, Asmus Schröter Subject: International Ornithological Congress - Brazil - August 2010 From: "keith_betton" <keith_betton AT hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 07:32:19 -0000 Details of next year's conference are here: http://www.acquaviva.com.br/ioc2010 Included is the opportunity to register interest in presenting a paper. Keith Subject: RE: Bee-eater across Lebanon and Syria From: richard prior <richwprior AT hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:30:16 +0000 A lot of Bee eaters passing through Lebanon this week, many flying too high for the hunters thankfully! Richard Prior To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com From: DQRZ AT HOTMAIL.COM Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:24:31 +0000 Subject: [MEBirdNet] Bee-eater across Syria Dear all At the theard time in this season group from Eu Bee-eater a cross southern region of Syria today Wednesday morning approx#37. Regards [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Bee-eater across Syria From: "yousefalzaoby" <DQRZ AT HOTMAIL.COM> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:24:31 -0000 Dear all At the theard time in this season group from Eu Bee-eater a cross southern region of Syria today Wednesday morning approx#37. Regards Subject: Re: Birdlife Release: Local group makes its mark at Egypt's Lake Qarun From: "mary.megalli" <mary.megalli AT gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:29:22 -0000 --- In MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com, "keith_betton" wrote: > > Local group makes its mark at Egypt's Lake Qarun > 22-09-2009 > > Egypt's first IBA-Local Conservation Group/Site Support Group (SSG) has persuaded one of the country's largest construction groups to end the dumping of waste at Lake Qarun, which holds regionally important numbers of waterbirds in winter. The construction company has also pledged to restore an area of saltmarsh destroyed by tourism development along the lake shore, as a bird sanctuary. > The Lake Qarun Protected Area LCG/SSG was established by Nature Conservation Egypt (NCE; BirdLife Partner) in 2008, with a grant from the Aage V. Jensen Charity Foundation. > > The lake occupies the deepest part of the Fayoum Depression, more than 40 metres below sea level. Once a large body of fresh water supporting Nilotic flora and fauna, the lake now receives almost all its water as drainage from irrigated land. As a result, and because the only `outflow' is via evaporation, levels of salinity have been steadily increasing. The lake is now slightly more salty than seawater. > > Because of these environmental changes, a local subspecies of Sardinian Warbler Sylvia melanocephala norrisae has become extinct, while Slender-billed Gull Larus genei, which began breeding in the 1990s, has now reached around 8,500 pairs. Numbers of breeding Spur-winged Lapwing Vanellus spinosus also meet IBA criteria, as does the wintering population of Black-necked Grebe Podiceps nigricollis. > A salt extraction processing plant has been set up, which over time will improve water quality and permit habitats to be restored, as well as providing employment. But unregulated tourist development along the southern shores of the lake is destroying the best waterbird habitats, particularly mudflats and saltmarshes, and leading to increased disturbance to birds. Hunters, including organised parties from Europe, regularly ignore the lake's protected status. > > The SSG was set up to enhance biodiversity conservation and benefit-sharing with local communities, in recognition that local people could make a significant contribution towards conservation efforts by reducing exploitation and hunting in the protected area. > "The SSG we established has 20 members, 13 men and 7 ladies, including fishermen, school teachers, farmers, and some people who work at the salt factory", said Dr Kohar Garo Varjabedian, Principal Coordinator of the SSG project. > > SSG members have removed shooting blinds erected by duck hunters, and plan to erect signboards with information about the lake's protected status, and its importance as an IBA. They are also involved in awareness raising and education activities with schoolchildren. > > The local government has an ecotourism strategy for Lake Qarum, which is increasingly seen as a premium tourist destination. "We are focusing on ecotourism and its related economic benefits for local communities, by convincing the fishermen to rent their boats for nature trips along the lake during the closed season for fishing", Dr Kohar Garo Varjabedian explained. > > The SSG has proved to be an important point of contact between the lakeside community and the Protected Area authority, and also the Egyptian government. "For example, we have taken some of the problems that the fishermen were facing to governmental institutions such as the Fish Development Authority and Water and Environmental Police", added Dr Varjabedian. Better communications between the fishermen and the authorities, together with stricter law enforcement, has reduced illegal fishing. "The fishermen report that fish yields are improving". > > When one of the country's most powerful construction companies began work on a tourist development on the south western shore, the SSG moved into action. "We had reports that the workers at the site of the project were dumping piles of cement, sand and rock, and destroying the saltmarsh habitats of the birds", said Dr Varjabedian. "We showed the photos that we had taken to the Egyptian Environmental Affairs Agency (EEAA), and the director stopped them, and the bulldozers were quickly pulled back to 30 metres from the shoreline. > > "The construction company's owner has pledged to set aside a proportion of his shoreline for saltmarshes to be re-established, providing a small bird sanctuary on the lake. This was to have been a hunting lodge in his original plan, and he has made a commitment not to allow or sanction hunting parties along the lake. These actions from his side were announced after our meeting with him." > In the summer of 1998, some 3,000 fledgling Slender-billed Gulls were found dead on El Qarn island, their main breeding site, almost certainly the victims of poisoning. Now local attitudes have changed. "Recently some fishermen found a wounded flamingo and took it to the LQPA office to be treated", said Dr Varjabedian. "This has never happened before at LQPA." > Subject: Birdlife Release: Local group makes its mark at Egypt's Lake Qarun From: "keith_betton" <keith_betton AT hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:48:08 -0000 Local group makes its mark at Egypt's Lake Qarun 22-09-2009 Egypt's first IBA-Local Conservation Group/Site Support Group (SSG) has persuaded one of the country's largest construction groups to end the dumping of waste at Lake Qarun, which holds regionally important numbers of waterbirds in winter. The construction company has also pledged to restore an area of saltmarsh destroyed by tourism development along the lake shore, as a bird sanctuary. The Lake Qarun Protected Area LCG/SSG was established by Nature Conservation Egypt (NCE; BirdLife Partner) in 2008, with a grant from the Aage V. Jensen Charity Foundation. The lake occupies the deepest part of the Fayoum Depression, more than 40 metres below sea level. Once a large body of fresh water supporting Nilotic flora and fauna, the lake now receives almost all its water as drainage from irrigated land. As a result, and because the only `outflow' is via evaporation, levels of salinity have been steadily increasing. The lake is now slightly more salty than seawater. Because of these environmental changes, a local subspecies of Sardinian Warbler Sylvia melanocephala norrisae has become extinct, while Slender-billed Gull Larus genei, which began breeding in the 1990s, has now reached around 8,500 pairs. Numbers of breeding Spur-winged Lapwing Vanellus spinosus also meet IBA criteria, as does the wintering population of Black-necked Grebe Podiceps nigricollis. A salt extraction processing plant has been set up, which over time will improve water quality and permit habitats to be restored, as well as providing employment. But unregulated tourist development along the southern shores of the lake is destroying the best waterbird habitats, particularly mudflats and saltmarshes, and leading to increased disturbance to birds. Hunters, including organised parties from Europe, regularly ignore the lake's protected status. The SSG was set up to enhance biodiversity conservation and benefit-sharing with local communities, in recognition that local people could make a significant contribution towards conservation efforts by reducing exploitation and hunting in the protected area. "The SSG we established has 20 members, 13 men and 7 ladies, including fishermen, school teachers, farmers, and some people who work at the salt factory", said Dr Kohar Garo Varjabedian, Principal Coordinator of the SSG project. SSG members have removed shooting blinds erected by duck hunters, and plan to erect signboards with information about the lake's protected status, and its importance as an IBA. They are also involved in awareness raising and education activities with schoolchildren. The local government has an ecotourism strategy for Lake Qarum, which is increasingly seen as a premium tourist destination. "We are focusing on ecotourism and its related economic benefits for local communities, by convincing the fishermen to rent their boats for nature trips along the lake during the closed season for fishing", Dr Kohar Garo Varjabedian explained. The SSG has proved to be an important point of contact between the lakeside community and the Protected Area authority, and also the Egyptian government. "For example, we have taken some of the problems that the fishermen were facing to governmental institutions such as the Fish Development Authority and Water and Environmental Police", added Dr Varjabedian. Better communications between the fishermen and the authorities, together with stricter law enforcement, has reduced illegal fishing. "The fishermen report that fish yields are improving". When one of the country's most powerful construction companies began work on a tourist development on the south western shore, the SSG moved into action. "We had reports that the workers at the site of the project were dumping piles of cement, sand and rock, and destroying the saltmarsh habitats of the birds", said Dr Varjabedian. "We showed the photos that we had taken to the Egyptian Environmental Affairs Agency (EEAA), and the director stopped them, and the bulldozers were quickly pulled back to 30 metres from the shoreline. "The construction company's owner has pledged to set aside a proportion of his shoreline for saltmarshes to be re-established, providing a small bird sanctuary on the lake. This was to have been a hunting lodge in his original plan, and he has made a commitment not to allow or sanction hunting parties along the lake. These actions from his side were announced after our meeting with him." In the summer of 1998, some 3,000 fledgling Slender-billed Gulls were found dead on El Qarn island, their main breeding site, almost certainly the victims of poisoning. Now local attitudes have changed. "Recently some fishermen found a wounded flamingo and took it to the LQPA office to be treated", said Dr Varjabedian. "This has never happened before at LQPA." Subject: Update Batumi Raptor Count From: pieter vantieghem <pvtlvd AT yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 06:09:09 -0700 (PDT) A new update on the Batumi Raptor Count blog can be found including a sighting of a group of 20 sociable lapwings in the Chorokhi-delta just south of the city! http://www.batumiraptorcount.org/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: Manych Wetland 2009 Sociable Lapwing [SL] Survey - Update From: Jeff Gordon <jeffandolga AT gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 23:40:35 +0400 I apologise, thought that OSME members would know Manych after they had read the last issue of Sandgrouse. Manych Wetlands, Stavropol Region, Russia. Cheers, Jeff Gordon. On 13/09/2009, Francis Argyle wrote: > > It could be a good idea to add a couple of words after "Manych Wetland" like > the province and country of this location - or am I the only one in the > world who doesn't know where this site is to be found? I guess this > principle could apply to any posting. > > cheers, Francis Argyle (UK) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jeff Gordon > To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 5:34 PM > Subject: [MEBirdNet] Manych Wetland 2009 Sociable Lapwing [SL] Survey - > Update > > > Apologies for cross posting. > > Yesterday, Saturday the 12th Sep, a flock of 432 SL was found which, > together with smaller flocks, produced a daily total of almost 600 birds. > This is by far the largest daily total of SL's since the surveys began 4 > years ago. > > Survey is funded by RSPB. > > Jeff Gordon et al. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > -- Jeff and Olga Gordon Tel: +787934 20092 Subject: Re: Manych Wetland 2009 Sociable Lapwing [SL] Survey - Update From: "Francis Argyle" <franur3 AT tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:16:05 +0100 It could be a good idea to add a couple of words after "Manych Wetland" like the province and country of this location - or am I the only one in the world who doesn't know where this site is to be found? I guess this principle could apply to any posting. cheers, Francis Argyle (UK) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Gordon To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 5:34 PM Subject: [MEBirdNet] Manych Wetland 2009 Sociable Lapwing [SL] Survey - Update Apologies for cross posting. Yesterday, Saturday the 12th Sep, a flock of 432 SL was found which, together with smaller flocks, produced a daily total of almost 600 birds. This is by far the largest daily total of SL's since the surveys began 4 years ago. Survey is funded by RSPB. Jeff Gordon et al. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Manych Wetland 2009 Sociable Lapwing [SL] Survey - Update From: "Jeff Gordon" <jeffandolga AT gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:34:46 +0400 Apologies for cross posting. Yesterday, Saturday the 12th Sep, a flock of 432 SL was found which, together with smaller flocks, produced a daily total of almost 600 birds. This is by far the largest daily total of SL's since the surveys began 4 years ago. Survey is funded by RSPB. Jeff Gordon et al. Subject: Crested Honey-buzzard at Batumi Raptor Count From: pieter vantieghem <pvtlvd AT yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:01:13 -0700 (PDT) At the 10th september a female Crested Honey-buzzard could be picked out of the stream of raptors at the Batumi Raptor Count (Georgia). More information is on the raptor count website, a record shot picture of the bird will be posted on the website also. http://www.batumiraptorcount.org/ greetings Pieter Vantieghem [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Emberiza stewarti nestlings fed by three adults From: "asmustim" <asmus.schroter AT helsinki.fi> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:26:35 -0000 Dear all, in context of a population survey in the Juglans-Forests of Arslanbob area in Kyrgyzstan (Jalalabad Oblast; Bazar Korgon Rayon) I found surprisingly within one week even two cases of Emberiza stewarti nestlings that were fed by THREE adults, in both instances two females and one male. Emberiza stewarti is very common there and breeds in high density.Is it just mere chance that I found it even two times in this species or has Emberiza stewarti a tendency for this extraordinary behaviour? Is it known from any other species of the Genus? Might it be triggered by high population density/concurrence? I haven´t found any literature references yet that might indicate Emberiza stewarti is predestinated for that behaviour. Does anyone have personal experiences with Emberiza stewarti (maybe from other populations in Centralasia or India, Pakistan, Iran etc.) that would help me further in that case? Regards, Asmus Schröter Subject: Manych Wetland 2009 Sociable Lapwing [SL] Survey - Update From: "Jeff Gordon" <jeffandolga AT gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 20:43:38 +0400 Apologies for cross posting. Survey commenced 3 days ago and results very encouraging. SL are widespread throughout an area of 120 kilometres east of Divenoe, the only area covered so far. Almost 200 birds today and yesterday with no duplication of numbers and about 150 birds prior to this. One bird positively identified by colour rings as being from Kazakhstan breeding population. Weather too windy at the moment for more colour ring checks. Weather forecast is good so look forward to more discoveries. Survey is funded by RSPB. Jeff Gordon et al. Subject: Bee-eater cross southern region of Syria From: Yousef Ali Alzaoby <DQRZ AT HOTMAIL.COM> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 17:36:19 +0200 Dear all Larg group from European Bee-eater today -Wednesday- to cross the southern region of syria.Regards A project for Recording the birds in southern region of Syria(Dara'a & Sweida & Qunaitra ). Tel: +963944798034 Tel&fax: +96315248387 E-mail: dqrz AT hotmail.com Syria – Dara'a – Mousaifrh P.O.BOX \ 1 \ Yousef Ali Alzaoby-Freelance bird guide Member of Global Owl Project _________________________________________________________________ Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ This list is maintained by the Ornithological Society of the Middle East, Caucasus and Central Asia. Read all about us at http://www.osme.org To unsubscribe by email send an empty email message to:- MEBirdNet-unsubscribe AT yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MEBirdNet/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MEBirdNet/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:MEBirdNet-digest AT yahoogroups.com mailto:MEBirdNet-fullfeatured AT yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: MEBirdNet-unsubscribe AT yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Subject: Re: Birding In Jordon From: "Mike Edgecombe" <m.edgecombe AT virgin.net> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 17:49:22 +0100 Many thanks for this info. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bassima Khatib" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 3:55 PM Subject: RE: [MEBirdNet] Birding In Jordon > Dear Mike, > > I suggest for you to contact Liath Moghrabi from the Royal Society for the > Conservation of Nature-RSCN. RSCN is the BirdLife partner in Jordan. You > can > get to contact Liath at the following email: laith.elmoghrabi AT rscn.org.jo > > Best Regards, > > Bassima > > > > From: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf > Of Mike Edgecombe > Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 12:02 AM > To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com > Subject: [MEBirdNet] Birding In Jordon > > > > > > Dear All, > > I am hoping someone might be able to help with information on birding in > Jordan. It is likely that I will be there for a week next spring and would > appreciate any info on the following species: > > Humes Tawny Owl, > Nubian Nightjar, > Egyptian Nightjar > Verreaux Eagle, > > It would also be appreciated if any recent info from Aqaba, Wadi Rum and > Petra. > > Thanks > > Mike Edgecombe > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > This list is maintained by the Ornithological Society of the Middle East, > Caucasus and Central Asia. > > Read all about us at http://www.osme.org > > To unsubscribe by email send an empty email message to:- > MEBirdNet-unsubscribe AT yahoogroups.com > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > Subject: RE: Birding In Jordon From: "Bassima Khatib" <bkhatib AT cyberia.net.lb> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 17:55:19 +0300 Dear Mike, I suggest for you to contact Liath Moghrabi from the Royal Society for the Conservation of Nature-RSCN. RSCN is the BirdLife partner in Jordan. You can get to contact Liath at the following email: laith.elmoghrabi AT rscn.org.jo Best Regards, Bassima From: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Edgecombe Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 12:02 AM To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com Subject: [MEBirdNet] Birding In Jordon Dear All, I am hoping someone might be able to help with information on birding in Jordan. It is likely that I will be there for a week next spring and would appreciate any info on the following species: Humes Tawny Owl, Nubian Nightjar, Egyptian Nightjar Verreaux Eagle, It would also be appreciated if any recent info from Aqaba, Wadi Rum and Petra. Thanks Mike Edgecombe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Birding In Jordon From: "Mike Edgecombe" <m.edgecombe AT virgin.net> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 22:02:08 +0100 Dear All, I am hoping someone might be able to help with information on birding in Jordan. It is likely that I will be there for a week next spring and would appreciate any info on the following species: Humes Tawny Owl, Nubian Nightjar, Egyptian Nightjar Verreaux Eagle, It would also be appreciated if any recent info from Aqaba, Wadi Rum and Petra. Thanks Mike Edgecombe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: oenanthe From: "M.Istvan" <idegenvezeto AT yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 03:57:38 -0700 (PDT) Youp ! Indeed, I just find an enlarged picture on the forum http://birding.hu/viewImage.do?img=31477-YP2WLFE7IJ46GM5OVWGPNQCXYJ7IUKZ1    and I just noticed the white outer tail feather.   I retract my previous opinion that is a Desert W. It is rather a strange looking hispanica. I think lajos should ask Mr.Panov about it. I can send you his e-mail in private if you want.   Steve Moldován István   Ornithologist     Contact person of OSME- Egypt Mobile: Egypt: 002-0161472905              Hungary: 0036706413000   www.birdinginegypt.com   --- On Thu, 9/3/09, Kalle Rainio wrote: From: Kalle Rainio Subject: Re: [MEBirdNet] oenanthe To: MEBirdNet AT yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 12:45 PM   Hi, white on tail feathers is visible in the picture, though mostly concealed because the tail is closed.To me, the alternatives seem to be O. hispanica / O. pleschanka. White throat indicates hispanica (though the rare form 'vittata' of pleschanka has also white throat); this shoud be adult male after completing the postbreeding moult. Kalle Rainio Finland On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:13 AM, M.Istvan wrote: > > > For me it is a moulting male Oenanthe deserti. The tail is entirely black, > and look at the covers : white trail on the edge. > Or there is anything similar in the Palearctic and I don`t have idea about > it? > > But I can not find the debate! It is in the forums? On which topic? > > Steve > > Moldován István > Ornithologist > Contact person of OSME- Egypt > Mobile: Egypt: 002-0161472905 >              Hungary: 0036706413000 >   www.birdinginegypt. com > > > --- On Sat, 8/29/09, NL wrote: > > From: NL > Subject: [MEBirdNet] oenanthe > To: "mebirdnet" > Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 10:52 PM > > > > Hello, > > There is a heavy dispute about a young Oenanthe which was seen yesterday > next to Budapest. > If there is any opinion here, what is exactly on the picture, please let us > know! > > http://birding. hu/viewImage. do?img=31477- YP2WLFE7IJ46GM5O > VWGPNQCXYJ7IUKZ1 > > Regards, > Lajos > ************ ********* ********* ******** > Lajos Nemeth-Boka, managing director > GreenEye Ecotours & Images > http://greeneye. org.uk > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ________< br>Domino > mobilinternet - Mobil Broadband Stick IV Domino csomagban 12 990 Ft helyett > 9 990 Ft csak a T-Mobile Webshopban. > br>http://ad.adverticu m.net/b/cl, 1,6022,347427, 429035/click. prm > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: oenanthe From: Kalle Rainio <krainio AT gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 12:45:02 +0300 Hi, white on tail feathers is visible in the picture, though mostly concealed because the tail is closed.To me, the alternatives seem to be O. hispanica / O. pleschanka. White throat indicates hispanica (though the rare form 'vittata' of pleschanka has also white throat); this shoud be adult male after completing the postbreeding moult. Kalle Rainio Finland On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:13 AM, M.Istvan wrote: > > > For me it is a moulting male Oenanthe deserti. The tail is entirely black, > and look at the covers : white trail on the edge. > Or there is anything similar in the Palearctic and I don`t have idea about > it? > > But I can not find the debate! It is in the forums? On which topic? > > Steve > > Moldován István > Ornithologist > Contact person of OSME- Egypt > Mobile: Egypt: 002-0161472905 >              Hungary: 0036706413000 >   www.birdinginegypt.com > > > --- On Sat, 8/29/09, NL wrote: > > From: NL > Subject: [MEBirdNet] oenanthe > To: "mebirdnet" > Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 10:52 PM > > > > Hello, > > There is a heavy dispute about a young Oenanthe which was seen yesterday > next to Budapest. > If there is any opinion here, what is exactly on the picture, please let us > know! > > http://birding. hu/viewImage. do?img=31477- YP2WLFE7IJ46GM5O > VWGPNQCXYJ7IUKZ1 > > Regards, > Lajos > ************ ********* ********* ******** > Lajos Nemeth-Boka, managing director > GreenEye Ecotours & Images > http://greeneye. org.uk > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ________< br>Domino > mobilinternet - Mobil Broadband Stick IV Domino csomagban 12 990 Ft helyett > 9 990 Ft csak a T-Mobile Webshopban. > br>http://ad.adverticu m.net/b/cl, 1,6022,347427, 429035/click. prm > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >