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Himalayan Kingfisher,©Jan Wilczur

07 Mar Grand Forks Western Meadowlark ["apeterson AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" ]
06 Mar Mountain bluebirds and meadowlarks ["adupilka AT airspeedwireless.ca [bcintbird]" ]
06 Mar Re: Probable leucistic female mallard ["Allan Dupilka adupilka AT airspeedwireless.ca [bcintbird]" ]
6 Mar RE: Probable leucistic female mallard ["'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" ]
6 Mar Western Meadowlarks ["Tammy Proctor birdsonly4me AT yahoo.ca [bcintbird]" ]
06 Mar Probable leucistic female mallard [1 Attachment] ["adupilka AT airspeedwireless.ca [bcintbird]" ]
5 Mar Gyrfalcon, Eurasian Wigeon continue Otter Lake ["Michael Force pagodroma AT yahoo.com [bcintbird]" ]
5 Mar Hummingbirds [1 Attachment] ["Jim Mitchell butcher99 AT gmail.com [bcintbird]" ]
5 Mar Re: Red-naped Sapsucker: Late autumn and early spring sightings. ["'A & J Ginns' ginnsj AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" ]
5 Mar RE: Red-naped Sapsucker: Late autumn and early spring sightings. ["'Dick Cannings' dickcannings AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" ]
5 Mar Red-naped Sapsucker: Late autumn and early spring sightings. ["'A & J Ginns' ginnsj AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" ]
5 Mar Re: Re: Gyrfalcon, Eurasian Wigeon, and many ducks ["Chris Siddle chris.siddle AT gmail.com [bcintbird]" ]
5 Mar Re: Video of Green Woodpecker with weasel on it's back ["Tammy Proctor birdsonly4me AT yahoo.ca [bcintbird]" ]
04 Mar Re: Gyrfalcon, Eurasian Wigeon, and many ducks ["drdrdrx AT hotmail.com [bcintbird]" ]
4 Mar Otter Lake Gyr ["Chris Siddle chris.siddle AT gmail.com [bcintbird]" ]
04 Mar BCFO Bird Records Committee Round 6, February 2015, accepted records published ["gclulow AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" ]
4 Mar Gyrfalcon, Eurasian Wigeon, and many ducks ["Chris Siddle chris.siddle AT gmail.com [bcintbird]" ]
04 Mar 2015 owls surveys in Summerland ["Laurie Rockwell hardrock AT vip.net [bcintbird]" ]
04 Mar Video of Green Woodpecker with weasel on it's back ["Laurie Rockwell hardrock AT vip.net [bcintbird]" ]
03 Mar Re: postings for Bob Mckay ["Laurie Rockwell hardrock AT vip.net [bcintbird]" ]
1 Mar Coppers hawk ["Jim Mitchell butcher99 AT gmail.com [bcintbird]" ]
01 Mar Owl survey dry run in Summerland ["Laurie Rockwell hardrock AT vip.net [bcintbird]" ]
1 Mar Violet-green Swallows ["Chris Charlesworth c_charlesworth23 AT hotmail.com [bcintbird]" ]
1 Mar RE: Accipiter ID Blog [1 Attachment] ["Clive Keen clive_keen AT hotmail.com [bcintbird]" ]
1 Mar Re: Accipiter ID Blog ["Len Jellicoe jellicoes AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" ]
1 Mar Accipiter ID Blog ["'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" ]
28 Feb Whirlwind OK tour ["tyson_danny AT yahoo.ca [bcintbird]" ]
28 Feb Williamson's Sapsucker back on Anarchist Mt--earliest ever. ["les_gyug AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" ]
28 Feb my apologies to Amanda ["LW Neish natureneish AT gmail.com [bcintbird]" ]
28 Feb Re: Robert Lake birds ["'Marcia Browne' marcia3000 AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" ]
28 Feb Purple finches in Penticton [3 Attachments] ["LW Neish natureneish AT gmail.com [bcintbird]" ]
28 Feb New blog post - Twitching ["Chris Siddle chris.siddle AT gmail.com [bcintbird]" ]
27 Feb Late Winter Migration Nicola Valley [1 Attachment] ["'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" ]
27 Feb Bewick's Wren, Winfield ["Michael Force pagodroma AT yahoo.com [bcintbird]" ]
27 Feb Robert Lake birds ["Chris Charlesworth c_charlesworth23 AT hotmail.com [bcintbird]" ]
25 Feb Re: Greater White-fronted Goose continues ["Laurie Rockwell hardrock AT vip.net [bcintbird]" ]
25 Feb Greater White-fronted Goose continues ["Chris Charlesworth c_charlesworth23 AT hotmail.com [bcintbird]" ]
25 Feb Kelowna Waterfront, Feb 20 ["Michelle Lamberson mnlamberson AT yahoo.ca [bcintbird]" ]
24 Feb birding along the beach at Penticton ["'Dick Cannings' dickcannings AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" ]
24 Feb RE: Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows ["leighton.douglas AT yahoo.com [bcintbird]" ]
24 Feb RE: Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows ["'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" ]
24 Feb RE: Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows ["adupilka AT airspeedwireless.ca [bcintbird]" ]
24 Feb RE: Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows ["'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" ]
24 Feb Re: Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows ["Gary Davidson gsd37 AT yahoo.ca [bcintbird]" ]
24 Feb RE: Re: Spring Vanguard ["'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" ]
24 Feb RE: Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows ["'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" ]
24 Feb Re: Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows ["Gary Davidson gsd37 AT yahoo.ca [bcintbird]" ]
23 Feb RE: Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows ["'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" ]
23 Feb Re: Spring Vanguard ["leighton.douglas AT yahoo.com [bcintbird]" ]
23 Feb Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows ["leighton.douglas AT yahoo.com [bcintbird]" ]
23 Feb Dusky Geese in BC ["russellcannings AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" ]
23 Feb Re: Spring Vanguard ["n.isaac155 AT yahoo.ca [bcintbird]" ]
23 Feb RE: Geese in Kelowna ["Chris Charlesworth c_charlesworth23 AT hotmail.com [bcintbird]" ]
23 Feb Geese in Kelowna ["Chris Charlesworth c_charlesworth23 AT hotmail.com [bcintbird]" ]
23 Feb RE: Spring Vanguard ["'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" ]
23 Feb Re: Spring Vanguard ["'Greenie' wcoomber AT telus.net [bcintbird]" ]
23 Feb Spring Vanguard ["'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" ]
21 Feb RE: A few good birds ["'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" ]
21 Feb A few good birds ["Chris Charlesworth c_charlesworth23 AT hotmail.com [bcintbird]" ]
20 Feb Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows ["Don Cecile dcecile AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" ]
20 Feb Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows ["Michael Lancaster mbl.tenbel AT googlemail.com [bcintbird]" ]
19 Feb RE: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows ["'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" ]
19 Feb eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows ["Chris Siddle chris.siddle AT gmail.com [bcintbird]" ]
17 Feb Re: Gyrfalcon in Kelowna ["Chris Siddle chris.siddle AT gmail.com [bcintbird]" ]
17 Feb Re: Gyrfalcon in Kelowna ["Shelley Courtney shelley AT rezgeek.com [bcintbird]" ]
16 Feb BCFO Bird Records Commitee ["gclulow AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" ]
16 Feb Re: Gyrfalcon in Kelowna ["Chris Siddle chris.siddle AT gmail.com [bcintbird]" ]
16 Feb Re: Gyrfalcon in Kelowna ["Shelley Courtney shelley AT rezgeek.com [bcintbird]" ]
16 Feb Gyrfalcon in Kelowna ["Chris Charlesworth c_charlesworth23 AT hotmail.com [bcintbird]" ]
16 Feb RE: Purple Finches in Penticton ["amlahaie AT gmail.com [bcintbird]" ]
16 Feb Iceland Gull, Penticton ["Chris Charlesworth c_charlesworth23 AT hotmail.com [bcintbird]" ]
15 Feb Greater White-fronted Goose at Robert Lk ["Chris Charlesworth c_charlesworth23 AT hotmail.com [bcintbird]" ]
15 Feb RE: Purple Finches in Penticton ["'Dick Cannings' dickcannings AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" ]
15 Feb Re: Great Backyard Bird count continues today and Monday ["drdrdrx AT hotmail.com [bcintbird]" ]
15 Feb Re: Great Backyard Bird count continues today and Monday ["'A & J Ginns' ginnsj AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" ]
15 Feb Purple Finches in Penticton [1 Attachment] ["amlahaie AT gmail.com [bcintbird]" ]

Subject: Grand Forks Western Meadowlark
From: "apeterson AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 07 Mar 2015 08:11:48 -0800
Heard, then saw, my first Western Meadowlark of the season in the field behind 
our house. Also had an Evening Grosbeak hanging around the feeders. 
Subject: Mountain bluebirds and meadowlarks
From: "adupilka AT airspeedwireless.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 06 Mar 2015 17:20:13 -0800
Stopped at Wolf Ranch to get better picture of leucistic mallard but the 
mallard flock had increased to 2000+ and can't find the odd one in That group. 
But the treat of the day was 4 Mountain Bluebirds and 2 Western Meadowlarks at 
the Pritchard grasslands. 


Reba and Allan Dupilka
 

Subject: Re: Probable leucistic female mallard
From: "Allan Dupilka adupilka AT airspeedwireless.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2015 17:02:13 -0400
Yes  That is the bird.  Bad picture as it was a mile away and back lit.  
Those are standout  white blotches over the back and sides as the photo 
shows and the tail and wing tips are pure white with a creamy brown 
uniform body color. The coloration is correct  but is confusing. My 
reference to "coloration does not appear common" only refers to the 
sense that all the pictures I found of this feature in mallards did not 
produce a coloration similar to this one in particular.

On 2015-03-06 12:51 PM, 'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird] wrote:
>
>
> Hi Alan: are you referring to the lighter-coloured bird in the middle 
> of the photo?  The highlights are over-exposed so it is difficult to 
> discern details on the back area. Were there white splotches at the 
> tail  and on top of the back?
>
> Rick Howie
>
> Kamloops
>
> *From:*bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com]
> *Sent:* March-06-15 8:10 AM
> *To:* bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* [bcintbird] Probable leucistic female mallard [1 Attachment]
>
> *[Attachment(s) <#TopText> from adupilka AT airspeedwireless.ca 
>  [bcintbird] included below]*
>
> Over 1000 mallards in Wolfe Ranch pond yesterday with one that is 
> probable leucistic female.  Although coloration does not appear  
> common for leucistic mallard it does not appear to be any other parent 
> trait to be hybrid?
>
> Reba and Allan Dupilka
> Little Shuswap
>
>
>
> 
Subject: RE: Probable leucistic female mallard
From: "'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2015 08:51:26 -0800
Hi Alan: are you referring to the lighter-coloured bird in the middle of the 
photo? The highlights are over-exposed so it is difficult to discern details on 
the back area. Were there white splotches at the tail and on top of the back? 


 

Rick Howie  

Kamloops

 

From: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: March-06-15 8:10 AM
To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bcintbird] Probable leucistic female mallard [1 Attachment]

 

  

[Attachment(s) from adupilka AT airspeedwireless.ca [bcintbird] included below] 

Over 1000 mallards in Wolfe Ranch pond yesterday with one that is probable 
leucistic female. Although coloration does not appear common for leucistic 
mallard it does not appear to be any other parent trait to be hybrid? 


Reba and Allan Dupilka
Little Shuswap


Subject: Western Meadowlarks
From: "Tammy Proctor birdsonly4me AT yahoo.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2015 16:16:07 +0000 (UTC)
Just a few minutes ago (8:12 am) I heard 2 Western Meadowlarks calling. One was 
close by and the other in the distance. Spring has finally come. 

TammyAshcroft
Subject: Probable leucistic female mallard [1 Attachment]
From: "adupilka AT airspeedwireless.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 06 Mar 2015 08:09:45 -0800
Over 1000 mallards in Wolfe Ranch pond yesterday with one that is probable 
leucistic female. Although coloration does not appear common for leucistic 
mallard it does not appear to be any other parent trait to be hybrid? 


Reba and Allan Dupilka
Little Shuswap
Subject: Gyrfalcon, Eurasian Wigeon continue Otter Lake
From: "Michael Force pagodroma AT yahoo.com [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 20:55:40 -0800
Hi Birders,

Ann Gibson and myself enjoyed incredible views of the grey morph Gyrfalcon 
today, 5 March. It favoured a tall Ponderosa Pine on the west side of Otter 
Lake Road just north of the lake. Also here amongst the hundreds of Northern 
Pintail were three Eurasian Wigeon (two males, one female) and about 50 
Trumpeter Swans. The Gyrfalcon remained in the area all day. 


I visited the Bewick's Wren and easily found it in the usual spot along the 
railway tracks just north of the east end of Commonwealth Road, Winfield. 


happy birding,
Michael Force

Winfield, BC


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Subject: Re: Red-naped Sapsucker: Late autumn and early spring sightings.
From: "'A & J Ginns' ginnsj AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 11:23:24 -0800
Dick:

Today’s sapsucker looked pretty much like Sibley’s (June 2004) 
illustrations of the "Juvenile" for RNSA and YBSA. I did not see any red on the 
bird. 


That said, I had a 20 second look at the bird and it was in the shade. I headed 
for the spotting scope but when I returned it was gone. 


The December 7 bird was like Sibley’s Juveniles but with a weak tint of red 
on the crown and throat. 


I didn’t give much consideration to either bird being a YBSA as I didn’t 
think it occurred in the Okanagan. Would they be migrating through this area? 


Hopefully someone else will see more of these "immature" birds!

Cheers, Jim G

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 'Dick Cannings' dickcannings AT shaw.ca [bcintbird] 
  To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 10:39 AM
 Subject: RE: [bcintbird] Red-naped Sapsucker: Late autumn and early spring 
sightings. 



    

  Hi Jim et al.:

 How “immature”-looking was this bird? Red-naped Sapsuckers usually moult 
into adult-looking plumage by fall, so that any bird looking largely immature 
(or juvenile) in winter or spring may well be a Yellow-bellied Sapsucker (which 
has a different moult timing). 


 But to answer your main question, this is very early for Red-naped Sapsucker 
in the Okanagan, though this has been a pretty unusual spring! 


  Dick Cannings

  Penticton, BC



  From: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com] 
  Sent: March 5, 2015 9:59 AM
  To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [bcintbird] Red-naped Sapsucker: Late autumn and early spring 
sightings. 




    

   

  Red-naped Sapsucker: Late autumn and early spring sightings.

 Between 8 and 9 am this morning (March 5) I was watching 5 Steller’s Jays 
comically sorting out the seed on one of the bird feeders at 1970 Sutherland 
Road in northeast Penticton when a smaller bird flew into a Ponderosa about 30 
m away. I picked up the binocs and was surprised to see an immature Red-naped 
Sapsucker. 


 The Checklist of the Birds of the Okanagan Valley (2005) and eBird show the 
first BC spring sightings to be in the last days of March. 


 This sighting brought to mind an immature Red-naped Sapsucker that was in a 
vineyard just down the road on December 7, 2014. 


 The Checklist (2005) shows the latest autumn/winter records to be in the first 
few days of October whereas eBird's latest for BC is mid October. 


 Les Gyug reported the earliest (February 28) ever BC record for spring 
sightings of William’s Sapsuckers in the south Okanagan Valley. 


  Is it just the sapsuckers that are unusually early the spring?

  Jim Ginns

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: les_gyug AT shaw.ca [bcintbird] 

    To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com 

    Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 1:22 PM

 Subject: [bcintbird] Williamson's Sapsucker back on Anarchist Mt--earliest 
ever. 




      

 This winter has been pretty mild for the last month or more. In looking at 
eBird in the past week, I saw a Feb 15 record for Williamson's Sapsucker in 
Okanogan County not too many km down across the line. 

 I figured if they were ever going to be found in B.C. in February, then this 
would be the year. In the past decade they seem to have been showing up around 
mid-March, or end of the first week of March in really mild years. 


 So, this morning (Feb 28th) I headed to the usual spots on Anarchist Mt. I did 
find two male Williamson's Sapsuckers: one on Sidley Mt. Rd, and the other on 
Wagon Wheel Rd, both north of Highway 3 near Anarchist Summit. 

    That means they will probably also be back near Princeton at least.

    Cheers,
    Les

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Subject: RE: Red-naped Sapsucker: Late autumn and early spring sightings.
From: "'Dick Cannings' dickcannings AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 10:39:13 -0800
Hi Jim et al.:

How “immature”-looking was this bird? Red-naped Sapsuckers usually moult 
into adult-looking plumage by fall, so that any bird looking largely immature 
(or juvenile) in winter or spring may well be a Yellow-bellied Sapsucker (which 
has a different moult timing). 


But to answer your main question, this is very early for Red-naped Sapsucker in 
the Okanagan, though this has been a pretty unusual spring! 


Dick Cannings

Penticton, BC

 

From: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: March 5, 2015 9:59 AM
To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bcintbird] Red-naped Sapsucker: Late autumn and early spring 
sightings. 


 

  

 

Red-naped Sapsucker: Late autumn and early spring sightings.

Between 8 and 9 am this morning (March 5) I was watching 5 Steller’s Jays 
comically sorting out the seed on one of the bird feeders at 1970 Sutherland 
Road in northeast Penticton when a smaller bird flew into a Ponderosa about 30 
m away. I picked up the binocs and was surprised to see an immature Red-naped 
Sapsucker. 


The Checklist of the Birds of the Okanagan Valley (2005) and eBird show the 
first BC spring sightings to be in the last days of March. 


This sighting brought to mind an immature Red-naped Sapsucker that was in a 
vineyard just down the road on December 7, 2014. 


The Checklist (2005) shows the latest autumn/winter records to be in the first 
few days of October whereas eBird's latest for BC is mid October. 


Les Gyug reported the earliest (February 28) ever BC record for spring 
sightings of William’s Sapsuckers in the south Okanagan Valley. 


Is it just the sapsuckers that are unusually early the spring?

Jim Ginns

----- Original Message ----- 

From: les_gyug AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]   

To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com   

Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 1:22 PM

Subject: [bcintbird] Williamson's Sapsucker back on Anarchist Mt--earliest 
ever. 


 

  

This winter has been pretty mild for the last month or more. In looking at 
eBird in the past week, I saw a Feb 15 record for Williamson's Sapsucker in 
Okanogan County not too many km down across the line. 

I figured if they were ever going to be found in B.C. in February, then this 
would be the year. In the past decade they seem to have been showing up around 
mid-March, or end of the first week of March in really mild years. 


So, this morning (Feb 28th) I headed to the usual spots on Anarchist Mt. I did 
find two male Williamson's Sapsuckers: one on Sidley Mt. Rd, and the other on 
Wagon Wheel Rd, both north of Highway 3 near Anarchist Summit. 

That means they will probably also be back near Princeton at least.

Cheers,
Les

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Subject: Red-naped Sapsucker: Late autumn and early spring sightings.
From: "'A & J Ginns' ginnsj AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 09:58:39 -0800
Red-naped Sapsucker: Late autumn and early spring sightings.

Between 8 and 9 am this morning (March 5) I was watching 5 Steller’s Jays 
comically sorting out the seed on one of the bird feeders at 1970 Sutherland 
Road in northeast Penticton when a smaller bird flew into a Ponderosa about 30 
m away. I picked up the binocs and was surprised to see an immature Red-naped 
Sapsucker. 


The Checklist of the Birds of the Okanagan Valley (2005) and eBird show the 
first BC spring sightings to be in the last days of March. 


This sighting brought to mind an immature Red-naped Sapsucker that was in a 
vineyard just down the road on December 7, 2014. 


The Checklist (2005) shows the latest autumn/winter records to be in the first 
few days of October whereas eBird's latest for BC is mid October. 


Les Gyug reported the earliest (February 28) ever BC record for spring 
sightings of William’s Sapsuckers in the south Okanagan Valley. 


Is it just the sapsuckers that are unusually early the spring?

Jim Ginns

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: les_gyug AT shaw.ca [bcintbird] 
  To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 1:22 PM
 Subject: [bcintbird] Williamson's Sapsucker back on Anarchist Mt--earliest 
ever. 



    
 This winter has been pretty mild for the last month or more. In looking at 
eBird in the past week, I saw a Feb 15 record for Williamson's Sapsucker in 
Okanogan County not too many km down across the line. 

 I figured if they were ever going to be found in B.C. in February, then this 
would be the year. In the past decade they seem to have been showing up around 
mid-March, or end of the first week of March in really mild years. 


 So, this morning (Feb 28th) I headed to the usual spots on Anarchist Mt. I did 
find two male Williamson's Sapsuckers: one on Sidley Mt. Rd, and the other on 
Wagon Wheel Rd, both north of Highway 3 near Anarchist Summit. 

  That means they will probably also be back near Princeton at least.

  Cheers,
  Les

  
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Subject: Re: Re: Gyrfalcon, Eurasian Wigeon, and many ducks
From: "Chris Siddle chris.siddle AT gmail.com [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 08:16:42 -0800
Good one, Scott. I feel your discontent. This "shoulder" season as the
tourist people call it is hard to take.

Chris S.

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 10:35 PM, drdrdrx AT hotmail.com [bcintbird] <
bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> I was hiking around the Goose Lake highlands a couple weeks back when I
> saw what I thought was a Gyrfalcon. But as it was a ways out, I marked it
> down as a "trying to convince yourself it's something it's not" bird.
>
> On that note I'll return to the Dark-eyed Juncos in my yard and see if I
> can make a Yellow-eyed out of one of them, and hope one subsequently shows
> up.
>
> Scott Thomson
> Westbank
>
>
> 
>
Subject: Re: Video of Green Woodpecker with weasel on it's back
From: "Tammy Proctor birdsonly4me AT yahoo.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 16:14:50 +0000 (UTC)
That was an amazing photo. It didn't take long for funny photo chopping(?) of 
people on the back of the woodpecker to take place. 

TammyAshcroft
 

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Subject: Re: Gyrfalcon, Eurasian Wigeon, and many ducks
From: "drdrdrx AT hotmail.com [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 04 Mar 2015 22:35:48 -0800
Hi Chris,

I was hiking around the Goose Lake highlands a couple weeks back when I saw 
what I thought was a Gyrfalcon. But as it was a ways out, I marked it down as a 
"trying to convince yourself it's something it's not" bird. 


On that note I'll return to the Dark-eyed Juncos in my yard and see if I can 
make a Yellow-eyed out of one of them, and hope one subsequently shows up. 


Scott Thomson
Westbank
 
Subject: Otter Lake Gyr
From: "Chris Siddle chris.siddle AT gmail.com [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 20:05:58 -0800
Some blurry documentation images of today's Otter Lake Gyr can be seen on
my flickr account.

Chris Siddle
Subject: BCFO Bird Records Committee Round 6, February 2015, accepted records published
From: "gclulow AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 04 Mar 2015 16:02:29 -0800
The latest set of rare bird records accepted by the BCFO Bird Records Committee 
is now posted on the BCFO website . 


 

 Should you see, or have past sightings of provincially rare birds, your 
submissions to the committee are encouraged and welcomed. In the BRC section of 
the website you will also find the BCFO Rare Bird Report Form, and the 
Provincial Review List to support your submissions. 

 

George Clulow, Burnaby 

Subject: Gyrfalcon, Eurasian Wigeon, and many ducks
From: "Chris Siddle chris.siddle AT gmail.com [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 14:17:36 -0800
Birders and naturalists,

The marsh and flooded fields along Deep Creek at the north end of Otter
Lake between Armstrong and Vernon were full of waterfowl this morning
(Wednesday, 4 Marsh). A large gray morph Gyrfalcon perched atop a stand of
Ponderosa Pines beside the road about 05 km north of the lake for about 4
mins about 1015. With the large concentration of ducks in the area, he/she
may stick around a while.

Mallards numbered 1000-1200 and Northern Pintails perhaps 250-300, more
than I can recall ever seeing at one spot in the OK before. A handful of
American Wigeon were among the other dabblers, as well as one especially
bright headed Eurasian Wigeon. The various diving ducks that had been in
the area last week were not present.

Trumpeter Swans numbered 56 with 44 adults and 12 immatures.

Chris Siddle
Subject: 2015 owls surveys in Summerland
From: "Laurie Rockwell hardrock AT vip.net [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2015 12:36:12 -0800
Birders,

Last night I completed my annual owl surveys;first Garnet Valley and 
then Darke Lake. It takes about 3 hours to do the routes as it is a 40 
minute drive from the former to the latter. If the weather is good I 
prefer to do both routes the same night,so as to avoid the frustration 
of waiting through a spell of bad weather. With the recent cold 
spell,after strong winds on Monday, the weather was a birders dream: an 
almost full moon that tried to outshine the sun,many stars,a couple of 
planets,almost no wind, frozen,but snow and ice-free roads,little 
traffic and few barking dogs or high altitude airplanes.
Unfortunately, that was all the perfection I experienced last night as I 
was shut out of owls for the 4th time in 15 years on the Garnet Valley 
route,and the 3rd time on the Darke Lake route;not even a hint of a call 
that I could justify
using to avoid the shut out. During my dry run last Sunday I had more 
time to check the snow conditions and noted that the snow on both routes 
was frozen solid;I could walk anywhere on top of the snow. So,I wonder 
if might be one reason for a lack of owls? Oh,I forgot,no mammals,grouse 
or any other nocturnal wildlife sounds or sightings.

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Subject: Video of Green Woodpecker with weasel on it's back
From: "Laurie Rockwell hardrock AT vip.net [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2015 11:53:37 -0800
Birders,

Some of you may have seen this marvelous happening on TV or other media.

Cheers....Laurie in sunny Summerland
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> the Hornchurch Country Park seem that grey brown dull winter colour 
> even though it was the 2nd March.
>
> My wife, Ann, and I had gone for a walk. I had hoped that she might 
> see a green woodpecker as she has not really seen one before.
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Subject: Re: postings for Bob Mckay
From: "Laurie Rockwell hardrock AT vip.net [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2015 16:27:43 -0800
Birders,
Below is a message from Bob's widow for your attention/action.

Laurie in Summerland


On 3/3/2015 11:47 AM, Bob McKay wrote:
> Greetings ladies and gentlemen:
>
> I know that most of you know that Bob McKay passed away last October.  
> It is a little unsettling to me to still get emails from you on his 
> computer.  So, I would appreciate it if you would kindly take his name 
> off of your lists.
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> I know there are more of you, so please pass the work along.
> Thank you!
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> Christine Mckay


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Subject: Coppers hawk
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 17:32:21 -0700
 Saw my first Cooper's hawk of the year! Of course still in Mexico and could 
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Subject: Owl survey dry run in Summerland
From: "Laurie Rockwell hardrock AT vip.net [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2015 16:13:17 -0800
Birders,
I spent about 3 hours this morning checking out my Garnet Valley and 
Meadow Valley-Darke Lake(higher elevation) routes. It was one of those 
rare years with no snow on the roads. Thankfully the gravel portion of 
the former route was still frozen;in past years it has been quite muddy 
near the lake. Snow cover was 50% on the Garnet Valley route;100% on the 
Meadow Valley route.
The main reason for this report,however, are 3 sightings on the Meadow 
Valley route in the fist 5 stops: about 6 COMMON REDPOLLS feeding on 
water birch seeds,some seed covers falling on my truck, 4-5  VARIED 
THRUSHES (I heard 2 at Sun Oka park last Wednesday) and a calling PYGMY 
OWL,the first for my winter and 2015 lists.

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Subject: Violet-green Swallows
From: "Chris Charlesworth c_charlesworth23 AT hotmail.com [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 12:35:13 -0800
Birders,

Ryan Tomlinson reports several VIOLET-GREEN SWALLOWS over the Thomson Marshes 
in Kelowna this morning. First I've heard of in the interior this year. 


Chris Charlesworth
Kelowna, BC
 		 	   		  
Subject: RE: Accipiter ID Blog [1 Attachment]
From: "Clive Keen clive_keen AT hotmail.com [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 09:39:05 -0700
Nice timely article. I just photographed this Scooper, which people might like 
to practice on. 


 
 




 
 
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      Some of you may have seen this and/or may find it of value.
Read it carefully and beware of the picture placement because some of them 
don't seem to fit the references in the text in terms of left/right placement. 
I have not studied it in depth yet but seems to be a useful 
blog.http://blog.leica-birding.com/advanced-id-tip-sharp-shinned-or-coopers/Cheers 
Rick Howie 



    
     

    
    






   		 	   		  
Subject: Re: Accipiter ID Blog
From: "Len Jellicoe jellicoes AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 07:55:20 -0800
I will bookmark that site Rick.  Thanks.
See you in the field
Len Jellicoe
Abbotsford, BC
Canada


http://lenanddiansadventures.blogspot.ca
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> On Mar 1, 2015, at 12:58 AM, 'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird] 
 wrote: 

> 
> 
> Some of you may have seen this and/or may find it of value.
> 
> Read it carefully and beware of the picture placement because some of them 
don't seem to fit the references in the text in terms of left/right placement. 
I have not studied it in depth yet but seems to be a useful blog. 

> 
> http://blog.leica-birding.com/advanced-id-tip-sharp-shinned-or-coopers/ 
 

> Cheers
> 
>  
> 
> Rick Howie  
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Subject: Accipiter ID Blog
From: "'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 00:58:43 -0800
Some of you may have seen this and/or may find it of value.

Read it carefully and beware of the picture placement because some of them
don't seem to fit the references in the text in terms of left/right
placement. I have not studied it in depth yet but seems to be a useful blog.

http://blog.leica-birding.com/advanced-id-tip-sharp-shinned-or-coopers/

Cheers

 

Rick Howie  

 

 
Subject: Whirlwind OK tour
From: "tyson_danny AT yahoo.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 28 Feb 2015 17:43:30 -0800
Hi all,
 

 I went up on Friday morning Feb 27. First stop was the Gibson Pass Ski Road in 
Manning Park. It was woodpecker central,3 THREE-TOED, 2 HAIRY, 2 FLICKERS and 1 
PILEATED. It lightly snowed from Manning Park to Princeton and then rained most 
of the afternoon through Keremeos and Oliver. Chopaka Road had a NORTHERN 
SHRIKE, a RING-NECKED PHEASANT and 6 WESTERN BLUEBIRDS. The Osoyoos sewage 
ponds had the long staying LONG-TAILED DUCK and 2 RUDDY DUCKS. Inkaneep 
Provincial Park was loaded with DARK-EYED JUNCOS and a single SPOTTED TOWHEE, 
also here were 4 early SAY'S PHOEBES. The Penticton Esplanade Trails netted 3 
PURPLE FINCH (1 male, 2 female) and a RUBY-CROWNED KINGLET. A night of owling 
in the local hills was a bust. The only things I heard were creaking trees and 
cracking ice. 

 

 On Saturday Feb 28 I headed up to the Ellison Reservoir, only bird there was a 
single GRAY JAY. On the way down found a flock of 150 BOHEMIAN WAXWINGS between 
Km 1 and 2. The Penticton waterfront had a single GLAUCOUS-WINGED GULL and the 
Esplanade Trails had a YELLOW-RUMPED WARBLER. Meet up with a group of keen 
locals and an addition from Yellowknife in Kelowna, but we could not score the 
snow bunting. I made my way north to Winfield and found that Mike Forces 
BEWICK'S WREN had multiplied into two, a singing bird and a scolding bird. Also 
in this area were numerous CALIFORNIA QUAIL , a RING-NECKED PHEASANT and a few 
PYGMY NUTHATCHES. 

 

 Would like to have spent more time, but work calls.
 

 Good Birding,
 

 Dan Tyson
 Langley, BC
Subject: Williamson's Sapsucker back on Anarchist Mt--earliest ever.
From: "les_gyug AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 28 Feb 2015 13:22:07 -0800
This winter has been pretty mild for the last month or more. In looking at 
eBird in the past week, I saw a Feb 15 record for Williamson's Sapsucker in 
Okanogan County not too many km down across the line. 

I figured if they were ever going to be found in B.C. in February, then this 
would be the year. In the past decade they seem to have been showing up around 
mid-March, or end of the first week of March in really mild years. 


So, this morning (Feb 28th) I headed to the usual spots on Anarchist Mt. I did 
find two male Williamson's Sapsuckers: one on Sidley Mt. Rd, and the other on 
Wagon Wheel Rd, both north of Highway 3 near Anarchist Summit. 

That means they will probably also be back near Princeton at least.

Cheers,
Les
Subject: my apologies to Amanda
From: "LW Neish natureneish AT gmail.com [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 12:42:06 -0800
Sorry, I looked back at the RBA earlier in the month and it was Amanda
Lahaie who first found the Purple finches. - 3 females

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Subject: Re: Robert Lake birds
From: "'Marcia Browne' marcia3000 AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 12:25:49 -0800
Google knows everything.... Try pasting this google map link if it doesn't
open directly. John Hindle Drive is off of Glenmore Road N and will connect
through to the portion near UBCO in a couple of years. 

Marcia

 

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/John+Hindle+Dr,+Kelowna,+BC,+Canada// AT 49.941
3333,-119.4157419,15z/data=!4m8!4m7!1m5!1m1!1s0x537df27c87daac2f:0x7cbdf7029
b930313!2m2!1d-119.4083382!2d49.942814!1m0
 

 
Subject: Purple finches in Penticton [3 Attachments]
From: "LW Neish natureneish AT gmail.com [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 12:20:07 -0800
Just before an appointment this morning, I found 3 of the PUFI at the
Esplanade near the Penticton yacht club. (How many had Tanya  first
reported?) There may have been more but I only had time to click a few
record shots. They were feeding in the Russian Olives about 20 m from the
trail. It was cool to see the male with the 2 females. I checked all the
undertail coverts to make sure they weren't streaked.  They also made a
different call note than Cassin's.    Some bad record shots attached.

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Subject: New blog post - Twitching
From: "Chris Siddle chris.siddle AT gmail.com [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 10:02:04 -0800
I have just posted a new blog article, Twitching, that can be found at
http://chrissiddleokbirder.blogspot.ca/

Also look for an older post that I never announced about the Connecticut
Warbler.

Hope you enjoy them.

Chris S.
Subject: Late Winter Migration Nicola Valley [1 Attachment]
From: "'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 21:26:08 -0800
Despite all of the grasslands from Kamloops to Merritt being snow free, the
smaller lakes along Hwy 5A are all frozen except for Nicola lake. There was
a bit of open water at the very north end of Beaver Ranch Flats north of
Nicola Lake today.  There were hundreds of ducks in there, most of which
were Mallards and Pintail as expected. But there were small number of
American Wigeon and Green-winged teal. A single male Eurasian Wigeon was
present as well. I turned east towards Douglas Lake, but a friend noted
large numbers of waterfowl at the west end of Nicola Lake as well as swans.
As usual, the ducks were at the extreme northern edge of open water in the
valley.

As I gained elevation through the grasslands in the Lauder Creek drainage, I
encountered a flock of 35 Red-winged Blackbirds feeding amongst cattle.
Despite seeing vanguard bluebirds at Kamloops last weekend, I saw no
Mountain Bluebirds whatsoever today. At Glimpse Lake (1200 metres elevation,
4000 ft), there were "pussy willows opening. I was astounded and the
property owner I was visiting said he has never seen bare ground as was the
case today. He said there should be "2 feet of snow here."

 

Attached is a shot of a pair of Pintail taken at some distance mind you.

 

 

Rick Howie  

Kamloops

 
Subject: Bewick's Wren, Winfield
From: "Michael Force pagodroma AT yahoo.com [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 20:46:39 -0800
Hi Birders,

There was a Bewick's Wren this afternoon (27 Feb) in the woody thicket between 
the railroad tracks and Jim Bailey Road in Winfield, just north of the 
pedestrian crossing at the east end of Commonwealth Road (Holiday Park Resort). 
This might also be the easiest access if one is coming from the south. It 
disappeared but was relocated in the same spot by Ann Gibson and myself about 
40 minutes later. Both times it was bold, called several times, and showed well 
in full sunlight. It would then drop down and vanish. Zippo. Not a peep. 


Happy birding,

Michael Force,

Winfield, BC


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Subject: Robert Lake birds
From: "Chris Charlesworth c_charlesworth23 AT hotmail.com [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 19:33:41 -0800
Birders,

This morning Lois Moss and I saw the adult GREATER WHITE-FRONTED GOOSE on the 
east side of Robert Lk in Kelowna. Also over there were 2 CACKLING GEESE. 


Ryan Tomlinson reports an immature gray-morph GYRFALCON that flew over Robert 
Lk this afternoon at about 5:15 PM. 



Chris Charlesworth
Kelowna, BC
 		 	   		  
Subject: Re: Greater White-fronted Goose continues
From: "Laurie Rockwell hardrock AT vip.net [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:22:57 -0800
Chris,
Is Glenmore Road no longer the access to the landfill and Alki Lake? I 
could find only John Rindle Drive on a Kelowna map,not Hindle Drive; 
please clarify.

Cheers.... Laurie Rockwell,Summerland

On 2/25/2015 2:12 PM, Chris Charlesworth c_charlesworth23 AT hotmail.com 
[bcintbird] wrote:
>
>
> Birders,
>
> The continuing adult GREATER WHITE-FRONTED GOOSE was again seen this 
> morning, from John Hindle Drive which is the new access road to the 
> Kelowna Landfill. Look to the south and you'll see Tutt's Pond and in 
> the fields surrounding the pond are several hundred geese. Most are 
> CANADA GEESE, with at least a couple CACKLING GEESE and the adult GR. 
> WHITE-FRONTED GOOSE mixed in.
>
> Waterfowl are infiltrating local ponds and wetlands with Robert Lake 
> gaining numbers of REDHEAD, LESSER SCAUP, BARROW'S and COMMON 
> GOLDENEYE, MALLARD, GREEN-WINGED TEAL, AMERICAN WIGEON, NORTHERN 
> PINTAIL, GADWALL and BUFFLEHEAD. A male WESTERN BLUEBIRD was 
> inspecting a nest box along a fence line near the parking area at 
> Robert Lake this morning. On Tutt's Pond, there were dozens of ducks, 
> including a male CANVASBACK.
>
> Alki Lk at the Kelowna Landfill was covered in gulls, but nothing too 
> noteworthy. There were about 700 CALIFORNIA GULLS, all adults. Also 
> present were 450 HERRING GULLS of various ages, 6 adult THAYER'S GULLS 
> and 15 GLAUCOUS-WINGED GULLS of various ages.
>
> That's all,
>
> Chris Charlesworth
> Kelowna, BC
>
>
> 



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Subject: Greater White-fronted Goose continues
From: "Chris Charlesworth c_charlesworth23 AT hotmail.com [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:12:55 -0800
Birders,

The continuing adult GREATER WHITE-FRONTED GOOSE was again seen this morning, 
from John Hindle Drive which is the new access road to the Kelowna Landfill. 
Look to the south and you'll see Tutt's Pond and in the fields surrounding the 
pond are several hundred geese. Most are CANADA GEESE, with at least a couple 
CACKLING GEESE and the adult GR. WHITE-FRONTED GOOSE mixed in. 


Waterfowl are infiltrating local ponds and wetlands with Robert Lake gaining 
numbers of REDHEAD, LESSER SCAUP, BARROW'S and COMMON GOLDENEYE, MALLARD, 
GREEN-WINGED TEAL, AMERICAN WIGEON, NORTHERN PINTAIL, GADWALL and BUFFLEHEAD. A 
male WESTERN BLUEBIRD was inspecting a nest box along a fence line near the 
parking area at Robert Lake this morning. On Tutt's Pond, there were dozens of 
ducks, including a male CANVASBACK. 


Alki Lk at the Kelowna Landfill was covered in gulls, but nothing too 
noteworthy. There were about 700 CALIFORNIA GULLS, all adults. Also present 
were 450 HERRING GULLS of various ages, 6 adult THAYER'S GULLS and 15 
GLAUCOUS-WINGED GULLS of various ages. 


That's all,

Chris Charlesworth
Kelowna, BC
 		 	   		  
Subject: Kelowna Waterfront, Feb 20
From: "Michelle Lamberson mnlamberson AT yahoo.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 05:51:41 +0000 (UTC)
Hi there,
Meant to post this earlier, but somehow time got away from me. We were staying 
on the Kelowna Waterfront on the weekend and Friday evening I took a quick walk 
around.  It was a grebe-filled shoreline just to the south of Rotary Marsh. 
 I saw pied-billed, horned (I believe I'm correct on that one) and red-necked 
grebes. I common loon cruised by.  And the American Coots were organized in 
large flotillas - I started thinking of them as "cootillas".  

 That is entertaining behaviour to watch!  I took a short movie of them if 
anyone is interested:Cootilla on the Move 

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At the same Flickr site are the photos of the three types of grebes and the 
loon. 

There were a few bufflehead pairs in the marsh, along with the usual mallards 
and vocal red-winged blackbirds and starlings.  One female goldeneye was 
repeatedly diving.  Canada Geese were playing king of the hill on the large 
dirt piles to the north.  A few house finches were hanging about in the same 
area.  Looming above them was an American Kestrel on one of the poplars. 

Good birding!
Cheers,Michelle  Michelle N. Lamberson
Vancouver, BC 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/vitrain/
Subject: birding along the beach at Penticton
From: "'Dick Cannings' dickcannings AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 21:51:25 -0800
Hi birders:

The weather was just too nice to avoid this afternoon so I ducked out of the
office at 3:30 and cycled down to the Okanagan Lake beach at Penticton.
There was the usual group of gulls along the shore-mostly Herrings now that
the Glaucous-wingeds seem to have moved back downstream to the Columbia
(just speculation, but their numbers certainly have dropped in the past
month).  There was a nice adult Mew Gull on the western edge of the flock
(where it normally hangs out) but it was a small gull in the middle of the
flock that caught my eye-the immature Iceland that has until today eluded my
binoculars this year.  I'm not sure if this is the same one I saw with
Russell before Christmas-it seems even whiter, but may be just fading. The
only other bird of interest along the shore was a lone male Green-winged
Teal off the mouth of Penticton Creek.

I checked out the Esplanade Trails, hoping to find the Purple Finches
reported by Amanda Lahaie earlier.  A Bewick's Wren sang, but no finches to
be seen.

Cheers

Dick Cannings

Penticton, BC



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Subject: RE: Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows
From: "leighton.douglas AT yahoo.com [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 24 Feb 2015 14:44:30 -0800
 Hi Rick, Gary, et al
 

 Rick, I definitely agree with you when you say "I think Chris is on to 
something and worth some effort to clarify." 

 

 Thus I agree that late eBird TRSW records should be screened in future to 
ensure their accuracy - and prompt better documentation all round - to clarify 
this question. It would be ideal to get this point out to not just eBirders but 
to the whole BC birding community - not to mention AB, SK, MB birders - in some 
kind of informal TRSW migration clarification project. 

 

 But that is going forward. I just don't see how one can retroactively delete 
all the older records after Aug. 10 based on what is yet to be clarified, 
particularly as I would guess - from my own experience and yours too apparently 
- most or all of those records lack the kind of details required to 
substantiate them. Prompted by all this I plan to go back over my notes and see 
if any of my late records have any details, or spark any memories, that can 
help me assess them and then delete any that seem to have a high potential for 
possible misidentification. I plan to apply maximum skepticism and it will be 
interesting to see how many hit the trash bin. If everyone would do this I 
think that this scalpel approach would yield a more accurate overall view than 
the sledgehammer approach of mass deletions. 

 

 Gary, when I use your cutoff date of Aug 15 (vs Aug. 10) that reduces my late 
TRSW record total down to only 10 (in 22 years) and that will probably drop 
further after I brutally review them all. More important to this particular 
conversation, how many have you seen after Aug. 10? 

 

 Doug Leighton
 Blaeberry
 

 P.S. Rick, if you are just heading south in March, does that make you a late 
migrant? 



Subject: RE: Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows
From: "'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 10:15:10 -0800
Yikes. We will be in Phoenix on March 12. Do a sun dance - similar to what the 
cranes do. You can do it Alan. 


 

Rick Howie  

 

 

From: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: February-24-15 9:53 AM
To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [bcintbird] Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows

 

  

Rick and Gary spring is close. Heard Cranes flying north today . They are still 
only at Phoenix and only 69 F today and snowed 8 inches in Flagstaff last 
night. 



Subject: RE: Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows
From: "adupilka AT airspeedwireless.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 24 Feb 2015 09:53:25 -0800
Rick and Gary spring is close. Heard Cranes flying north today . They are still 
only at Phoenix and only 69 F today and snowed 8 inches in Flagstaff last 
night. 
Subject: RE: Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows
From: "'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 08:57:40 -0800
Bundle up man. We were warmer than that yesterday and I was walkin' about in 
shirt sleeves. Think I will put the air conditioning on today just to keep 
things comfortable while working. 


There was a Pine Grosbeak singing near my house yesterday and the sweat was 
just pouring off his brow. 


Rick Howie  

 

 

From: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: February-24-15 8:40 AM
To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bcintbird] Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows

 

  

Hi Rick,

NO, we are not south of the cold weather line!!! *&^*&$%# We awoke to 4C this 
morning! But the mockingbirds, Tropical Kingbirds, GT Grackles, Great Egrets, 
LB Curlews are all still out there. Maybe I'll go birding in a while and watch 
some Green Jays, Altamira Orioles, Monk Parakeets, Northern Cardinals, Great 
Kiskadees, ............. 


Gary
  

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From: "'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" 
To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 8:09 AM
Subject: RE: [bcintbird] Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows

 

  

Thanks Gary. I think Chris is on to something and worth some effort to clarify.

Are you south of the cold weather line?

 

Rick 

 

From: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: February-24-15 6:36 AM
To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bcintbird] Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows

 

  

Hi Rick,

Just for the record - my 40 years of data for the Nakusp area show just 3 
September records, all during the first week and all just single birds. I also 
have one late August record of 2 birds. ALL other records are prior to Aug 15. 


Gary
  

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From:< /span> "'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" 
 

To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: [bcintbird] Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows

 

  

Doug: you raise some interesting points and worthy of reflection, as was 
Chris's earlier post. I should comment on the BBC remark that the peak movement 
of TRSW at Kamloops is 20 Aug - 3 Sep. 


The authors likely obtained part of their impressions from me as local 
observers were asked to fill out our estimates of peak movement periods. I 
can't recall the year that we did that. However, by the time I wrote the 
Kamloops checklist in 1994, I certainly did not conclude that the peak movement 
was that late in the month. I show it more in the per iod Aug 5-15 and tapering 
through August with a late date of about 20 Sep. 


But as I noted in my earlier reply to Chris, I can find few records in my data 
base after Aug 15 to corroborate my impressions and the few that I have are of 
1-5 birds at most. I have no large flock sightings. Unfortunately, those 
records are now so old that I cannot recall the details despite having the 
date, location and numbers in my notes. The "vision" of the sightings if you 
will has been stored in an inaccessible portion of the soft drive in my head. 
So either I trust my glorious past or cast a shadow on those sightings. 


It will be my intention from this point to watch for observations after 
mid-August in an att empt to put a finer point on this species. I am glad that 
Chris raised the question. As another but somewhat delinquent E-bird editor, I 
will be examining records for my own region and pondering how to handle them if 
there are any. I will closely examine the heaps of swallow droppings on Chris's 
brow for guidance. 


 

Rick Howie  (swallowing in the footprints of those who have forged ahead )

Kamloops

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From: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: February-23-15 4:38 PM
To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bcintbird] Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Sw allows

 

  

Chris, 

 

While I applaud your ef forts to maximize the accuracy of eBird records I am 
struggling to understand the basis of your decision to delete all (or most?) 
TRSW records after Aug. 10. 


 

'Birds of BC' (Campbell et al 1997 V3:140) states that "in the Central 
Interior, Southern Interior, and Southern Interior Mountains, large numbers [of 
TRSW] are still present in August. Most birds, however, have left the interior 
by early September." For the Kamloops area (V3:550) the "Peak [Autumn] 
Movement" was "20 Aug-3 Sep" with a late date of Sep 20. That is later than the 
"mid-Aug" peak they note for the Okanagan (late date 27 Sep) but similar to the 
"25-31 Aug" for Prince Geo rge. On the other hand, their late date for the 
Peace region (Ft. St. John) is Aug. 17 so one can see why an Aug. 10 cut off 
date could make s ense for that area - although there are later records for the 
AB side (e.g. Pinel et al 1993). 


 

'Birds of the Okan agan' (Cannings 1987:260-61) states that fall migration 
there "begins in early August" and "is normally over by early September" though 
"small groups or even larger flocks are occasionally seen throughout the 
month." They list 9 last-of-year records ranging from Aug 10 to Sep 27 "with a 
mean of 31 August." (Bent 1942/1963:399) notes a late date of Sept. 15 from 
Okanagan Landi ng.) 


 

Did all the earlier birders who contributed records to those books consistently 
misidentify TRSW? Has TRSW migration dramatically shifted since then? 


 

The only evidence you present to support your decision - other than your own 
personal experience - is recent data from one site: "the frequency graph for 
the V aseu x banding s tation (for which we have a decade of daily census 
data)." As Dick noted, "frequency drops below 20% by mid-August, and below 5% 
by the end of the month" with "one late September sighting." That would appear 
to be similar or the same as described in the 1987 book. And I cannot see how 
this data supports your Aug. 10 cut off date in any case. 


 

I just checked my (almost all done) eBird records for the Golden area. Over 22 
years (1993-2014) I have a total of 14 records after Aug. 10, in 7 years, 
including 10 in Aug. and 4 in Sept. (to the 7th). (In 7 other years the last 
records were in July.) The first 'la te' one was in 1996 but most (9) were in 
the past 3 years, probably due to my greater efforts since starting to eBird in 
2012. 


As TRSW nest right out our fro nt window every year - except last year when 
they were evicted by a pair of MOBL and moved to a more distant box - and VGSW 
nest in our garage, I get plenty of ID practise. While it is certainly 
possible, if not probable, that I may have misidentified some of these 'late' 
TRSWs - particularly when flying and/or distant - I am sure that I did not 
misidentify most of them, including the latest one (last year) which was 
perched on a wire. But as I never considered them to be a big deal I did not 
make any detailed notes about them, can barely remember most of them, and thus 
cannot supply the now demanded details. 


 

There is no doubt that TRSWs are "difficult to find" after early August. But 
given what the noted references stated as well as my own experience, I think 
that this Aug 10 cutoff date is too early for the southern interior, and made 
wo rse when applied retroactively. I am sure that I am not the only birder who 
did not make detailed notes, or have detailed memories, of all the now declared 
'late' TRSWs from years gone by and thus cannot 'prove' them for you. 


 

< div>

I would suggest a cutoff date of Sept. 1, or even Aug. 21, going forward. That 
call for extra caution, notes and preferably photos would then substantiate 
your "gut feeling," or not. In the meantime, I hope that no researcher consults 
the eBird record now and becomes concerned about the surprising migration 
discrepancy between southern BC and southern AB. 


 

Doug Leighton

 

Blaeberry

 

 


Subject: Re: Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows
From: "Gary Davidson gsd37 AT yahoo.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 16:39:38 +0000 (UTC)
Hi Rick,NO, we are not south of the cold weather line!!! *&^*&$%#  We awoke to 
4C this morning! But the mockingbirds, Tropical Kingbirds, GT Grackles, Great 
Egrets, LB Curlews are all still out there. Maybe I'll go birding in a while 
and watch some Green Jays, Altamira Orioles, Monk Parakeets, Northern 
Cardinals, Great Kiskadees, .............Gary 

  From: "'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]"  

 To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 8:09 AM
 Subject: RE: [bcintbird] Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows
   
  Thanks Gary. I think Chris is on to something and worth some effort to 
clarify.Are you south of the cold weather line?  Rick  From: 
bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com] 

Sent: February-24-15 6:36 AM
To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bcintbird] Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows 
   Hi Rick,Just for the record - my 40 years of data for the Nakusp area show 
just 3 September records, all during the first week and all just single birds. 
I also have one late August record of 2 birds. ALL other records are prior to 
Aug 15.Gary 

  From: "'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" 
To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: [bcintbird] Re: eBird August - October records of Tree 
Swallows   Doug: you raise some interesting points and worthy of reflection, 
as was Chris's earlier post. I should comment on the BBC remark that the peak 
movement of TRSW at Kamloops is 20 Aug  - 3 Sep.The authors likely obtained 
part of their impressions from me as local observers were asked to fill out our 
estimates of peak movement periods. I can't recall the year that we did that. 
However, by the time I wrote the Kamloops checklist in 1994, I certainly did 
not conclude that the peak movement was that late in the month. I show it more 
in the per iod Aug 5-15 and tapering through August with a late date of about 
20 Sep.  But as I noted in my earlier reply to Chris, I can find few records 
in my data base after Aug 15 to corroborate my impressions and the few that I 
have are of 1-5 birds at most. I have no large flock sightings. Unfortunately, 
those records are now so old that I cannot recall the details despite having 
the date, location and numbers in my notes. The "vision" of the sightings if 
you will has been stored in an inaccessible portion of the soft drive in my 
head. So either I trust my glorious past or cast a shadow on those sightings.It 
will be my intention from this point to watch for observations after mid-August 
in an att empt to put a finer point on this species. I am glad that Chris 
raised the question. As another but somewhat delinquent E-bird editor, I will 
be examining records for my own region and pondering how to handle them if 
there are any. I will closely examine the heaps of swallow droppings on Chris's 
brow for guidance.  Rick Howie  (swallowing in the footprints of those who 
have forged ahead )Kamloops From: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com] 

Sent: February-23-15 4:38 PM
To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bcintbird] Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows   
Chris,  While I applaud your efforts to maximize the accuracy of 
eBird records I am struggling to understand the basis of your decision 
to delete all (or most?) TRSW records after Aug. 10. 'Birds of BC' (Campbell 
et al 1997 V3:140) states that "in the Central Interior, Southern Interior, 
and Southern Interior Mountains, large numbers [of TRSW] are still present in 
August. Most birds, however, have left the interior by early September." For 
the Kamloops area (V3:550) the "Peak [Autumn] Movement" was "20 Aug-3 Sep" with 
a late date of Sep 20. That is later than the "mid-Aug" peak they note for the 
Okanagan (late date 27 Sep) but similar to the "25-31 Aug" for Prince George. 
On the other hand, their late date for the Peace region (Ft. St. John) is Aug. 
17 so one can see why an Aug. 10 cut off date could make s ense for that 
area - although there are later records for the AB side (e.g. Pinel et al 
1993). 'Birds of the Okan agan' (Cannings 1987:260-61) states that fall 
migration there "begins in early August" and "is normally over by early 
September" though "small groups or even larger flocks are occasionally seen 
throughout the month." They list 9 last-of-year records ranging from Aug 10 to 
Sep 27 "with a mean of 31 August." (Bent 1942/1963:399) notes a late date of 
Sept. 15 from Okanagan Landing.) Did all the earlier birders who contributed 
records to those books consistently misidentify TRSW? Has TRSW migration  
dramatically shifted since then?  The only evidence you present to support 
your decision - other than your own personal experience - is recent data from 
one site: "the frequency graph for the Vaseu x banding s tation (for which we 
have a decade of daily census data)." As Dick noted, "frequency drops below 20% 
by mid-August, and below 5% by the end of the month" with "one late September 
sighting." That would appear to be similar or the same as described in the 
1987 book. And I cannot see how this data supports your Aug. 10 cut off date in 
any case.   I just checked my (almost all done) eBird records for the Golden 
area. Over 22 years (1993-2014) I have a total of 14 records after Aug. 10, in 
7 years, including 10 in Aug. and 4 in Sept. (to the 7th).  (In 7 other years 
the last records were in July.) The first 'late' one was in 1996 but most (9) 
were in the past 3 years, probably due to my greater efforts since starting 
to eBird in 2012.As TRSW nest right out our fro nt window every year - except 
last year when they were evicted by a pair of MOBL and moved to a more distant 
box - and VGSW nest in our garage, I get plenty of ID practise. While it is 
certainly possible, if not probable, that I may have misidentified some of 
these 'late' TRSWs - particularly when flying and/or distant - I am sure that 
I did not misidentify most of them, including the latest one (last year) which 
was perched on a wire. But as I never considered them to be a big deal I did 
not make any detailed notes about them, can barely remember most of them, and 
thus cannot supply the now demanded details.  There is no doubt that TRSWs are 
"difficult to find" after early August. But given what the noted references 
stated as well as my own experience, I think that this Aug 10 cutoff date is 
too early for the southern interior, and made wo rse when applied 
retroactively. I am sure that I am not the only birder who did not make 
detailed notes, or have detailed memories, of all the now declared 'late' 
TRSWs from years gone by and thus cannot 'prove' them for you. I would 
suggest a cutoff date of Sept. 1, or even Aug. 21, going forward. That call for 
extra caution, notes and preferably photos would then substantiate your "gut 
feeling," or not. In the meantime, I hope that no researcher consults the eBird 
record now and becomes concerned about the surprising migration discrepancy 
between southern BC and southern AB.  Doug Leighton Blaeberry  
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Subject: RE: Re: Spring Vanguard
From: "'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 08:23:54 -0800
Doug: out of kindness to my daughter in Ontario and friends in the Maritimes, I 
have ceased reporting on the progress of spring in Kamloops which as you know, 
is always well behind places like Vancouver & Osoyoos. However, we do have Day 
Lilies pushing up in the garden and several of our herb shrubs are showing 
signs of life. Several low elevation, shallow lakes have been ice-free for 2 
weeks now. 


I was at a lecture recently being given by a retired local federal weatherman. 
Being an admitted weather geek, he has completed a study of Kamloops winter 
temperatures over the last 50 years. He confirms what many of us have felt 
intuitively and from bird records. The average winter temperature has risen 2 
degrees over that period. That's a fair amount. No Tree Swallows yet. 


Rick Howie  

 

 

From: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: February-23-15 4:47 PM
To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bcintbird] Re: Spring Vanguard

 

  

Lucky you Rick. Here in the land of still mostly ice and snow the only real 
spring vanguard has been the start of the Pileated Woodpecker drumming season 
three days ago and what sounded like a pair of Canada Geese that did a honking 
flyover tour of our neighbourhood back on the 13th - earliest yard list record 
by more than two weeks but just a one day wonder. My wife has seen a CAGO in 
Golden since and my neighbor saw a Robin a few days ago (they winter in Golden) 
so I know spring is coming... 


 

Just happy to be in BC and not Ontario where the ice cover on the Great Lakes 
is still increasing! 


 

Doug Leighton

 

Blaeberry 


Subject: RE: Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows
From: "'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 08:09:24 -0800
Thanks Gary. I think Chris is on to something and worth some effort to clarify.

Are you south of the cold weather line?

 

Rick 

 

From: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: February-24-15 6:36 AM
To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bcintbird] Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows

 

  

Hi Rick,

Just for the record - my 40 years of data for the Nakusp area show just 3 
September records, all during the first week and all just single birds. I also 
have one late August record of 2 birds. ALL other records are prior to Aug 15. 


Gary
  

  _____  

From: "'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" 
To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: [bcintbird] Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows

 

  

Doug: you raise some interesting points and worthy of reflection, as was 
Chris's earlier post. I should comment on the BBC remark that the peak movement 
of TRSW at Kamloops is 20 Aug - 3 Sep. 


The authors likely obtained part of their impressions from me as local 
observers were asked to fill out our estimates of peak movement periods. I 
can't recall the year that we did that. However, by the time I wrote the 
Kamloops checklist in 1994, I certainly did not conclude that the peak movement 
was that late in the month. I show it more in the per iod Aug 5-15 and tapering 
through August with a late date of about 20 Sep. 


But as I noted in my earlier reply to Chris, I can find few records in my data 
base after Aug 15 to corroborate my impressions and the few that I have are of 
1-5 birds at most. I have no large flock sightings. Unfortunately, those 
records are now so old that I cannot recall the details despite having the 
date, location and numbers in my notes. The "vision" of the sightings if you 
will has been stored in an inaccessible portion of the soft drive in my head. 
So either I trust my glorious past or cast a shadow on those sightings. 


It will be my intention from this point to watch for observations after 
mid-August in an att empt to put a finer point on this species. I am glad that 
Chris raised the question. As another but somewhat delinquent E-bird editor, I 
will be examining records for my own region and pondering how to handle them if 
there are any. I will closely examine the heaps of swallow droppings on Chris's 
brow for guidance. 


 

Rick Howie  (swallowing in the footprints of those who have forged ahead )

Kamloops

 

From: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: February-23-15 4:38 PM
To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bcintbird] Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows

 

  

Chris, 

 

While I applaud your efforts to maximize the accuracy of eBird records I am 
struggling to understand the basis of your decision to delete all (or most?) 
TRSW records after Aug. 10. 


 

'Birds of BC' (Campbell et al 1997 V3:140) states that "in the Central 
Interior, Southern Interior, and Southern Interior Mountains, large numbers [of 
TRSW] are still present in August. Most birds, however, have left the interior 
by early September." For the Kamloops area (V3:550) the "Peak [Autumn] 
Movement" was "20 Aug-3 Sep" with a late date of Sep 20. That is later than the 
"mid-Aug" peak they note for the Okanagan (late date 27 Sep) but similar to the 
"25-31 Aug" for Prince George. On the other hand, their late date for the Peace 
region (Ft. St. John) is Aug. 17 so one can see why an Aug. 10 cut off date 
could make s ense for that area - although there are later records for the AB 
side (e.g. Pinel et al 1993). 


 

'Birds of the Okan agan' (Cannings 1987:260-61) states that fall migration 
there "begins in early August" and "is normally over by early September" though 
"small groups or even larger flocks are occasionally seen throughout the 
month." They list 9 last-of-year records ranging from Aug 10 to Sep 27 "with a 
mean of 31 August." (Bent 1942/1963:399) notes a late date of Sept. 15 from 
Okanagan Landing.) 


 

Did all the earlier birders who contributed records to those books consistently 
misidentify TRSW? Has TRSW migration dramatically shifted since then? 


 

The only evidence you present to support your decision - other than your own 
personal experience - is recent data from one site: "the frequency graph for 
the Vaseu x banding s tation (for which we have a decade of daily census 
data)." As Dick noted, "frequency drops below 20% by mid-August, and below 5% 
by the end of the month" with "one late September sighting." That would appear 
to be similar or the same as described in the 1987 book. And I cannot see how 
this data supports your Aug. 10 cut off date in any case. 


 

I just checked my (almost all done) eBird records for the Golden area. Over 22 
years (1993-2014) I have a total of 14 records after Aug. 10, in 7 years, 
including 10 in Aug. and 4 in Sept. (to the 7th). (In 7 other years the last 
records were in July.) The first 'late' one was in 1996 but most (9) were in 
the past 3 years, probably due to my greater efforts since starting to eBird in 
2012. 


As TRSW nest right out our fro nt window every year - except last year when 
they were evicted by a pair of MOBL and moved to a more distant box - and VGSW 
nest in our garage, I get plenty of ID practise. While it is certainly 
possible, if not probable, that I may have misidentified some of these 'late' 
TRSWs - particularly when flying and/or distant - I am sure that I did not 
misidentify most of them, including the latest one (last year) which was 
perched on a wire. But as I never considered them to be a big deal I did not 
make any detailed notes about them, can barely remember most of them, and thus 
cannot supply the now demanded details. 


 

There is no doubt that TRSWs are "difficult to find" after early August. But 
given what the noted references stated as well as my own experience, I think 
that this Aug 10 cutoff date is too early for the southern interior, and made 
wo rse when applied retroactively. I am sure that I am not the only birder who 
did not make detailed notes, or have detailed memories, of all the now declared 
'late' TRSWs from years gone by and thus cannot 'prove' them for you. 


 

I would suggest a cutoff date of Sept. 1, or even Aug. 21, going forward. That 
call for extra caution, notes and preferably photos would then substantiate 
your "gut feeling," or not. In the meantime, I hope that no researcher consults 
the eBird record now and becomes concerned about the surprising migration 
discrepancy between southern BC and southern AB. 


 

Doug Leighton

 

Blaeberry

 


Subject: Re: Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows
From: "Gary Davidson gsd37 AT yahoo.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 14:35:31 +0000 (UTC)
Hi Rick,Just for the record - my 40 years of data for the Nakusp area show just 
3 September records, all during the first week and all just single birds. I 
also have one late August record of 2 birds. ALL other records are prior to Aug 
15.Gary 

  From: "'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]"  

 To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 7:35 PM
 Subject: RE: [bcintbird] Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows
   
  Doug: you raise some interesting points and worthy of reflection, as was 
Chris's earlier post. I should comment on the BBC remark that the peak movement 
of TRSW at Kamloops is 20 Aug  - 3 Sep.The authors likely obtained part of 
their impressions from me as local observers were asked to fill out our 
estimates of peak movement periods. I can't recall the year that we did that. 
However, by the time I wrote the Kamloops checklist in 1994, I certainly did 
not conclude that the peak movement was that late in the month. I show it more 
in the period Aug 5-15 and tapering through August with a late date of about 20 
Sep.  But as I noted in my earlier reply to Chris, I can find few records in 
my data base after Aug 15 to corroborate my impressions and the few that I have 
are of 1-5 birds at most. I have no large flock sightings. Unfortunately, those 
records are now so old that I cannot recall the details despite having the 
date, location and numbers in my notes. The "vision" of the sightings if you 
will has been stored in an inaccessible portion of the soft drive in my head. 
So either I trust my glorious past or cast a shadow on those sightings.It will 
be my intention from this point to watch for observations after mid-August in 
an attempt to put a finer point on this species. I am glad that Chris raised 
the question. As another but somewhat delinquent E-bird editor, I will be 
examining records for my own region and pondering how to handle them if there 
are any. I will closely examine the heaps of swallow droppings on Chris's brow 
for guidance.  Rick Howie  (swallowing in the footprints of those who have 
forged ahead )Kamloops  From: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com] 

Sent: February-23-15 4:38 PM
To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bcintbird] Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows    
Chris,  While I applaud your efforts to maximize the accuracy of 
eBird records I am struggling to understand the basis of your decision 
to delete all (or most?) TRSW records after Aug. 10.  'Birds of BC' (Campbell 
et al 1997 V3:140) states that "in the Central Interior, Southern Interior, 
and Southern Interior Mountains, large numbers [of TRSW] are still present in 
August. Most birds, however, have left the interior by early September." For 
the Kamloops area (V3:550) the "Peak [Autumn] Movement" was "20 Aug-3 Sep" with 
a late date of Sep 20. That is later than the "mid-Aug" peak they note for the 
Okanagan (late date 27 Sep) but similar to the "25-31 Aug" for Prince George. 
On the other hand, their late date for the Peace region (Ft. St. John) is Aug. 
17 so one can see why an Aug. 10 cut off date could make s ense for that 
area - although there are later records for the AB side (e.g. Pinel et al 
1993).  'Birds of the Okanagan' (Cannings 1987:260-61) states that fall 
migration there "begins in early August" and "is normally over by early 
September" though "small groups or even larger flocks are occasionally seen 
throughout the month." They list 9 last-of-year records ranging from Aug 10 to 
Sep 27 "with a mean of 31 August." (Bent 1942/1963:399) notes a late date of 
Sept. 15 from Okanagan Landing.)  Did all the earlier birders who 
contributed records to those books consistently misidentify TRSW? 
Has TRSW migration  dramatically shifted since then?  The only evidence you 
present to support your decision - other than your own personal experience - 
is recent data from one site: "the frequency graph for the Vaseu x 
banding station (for which we have a decade of daily census data)." As Dick 
noted, "frequency drops below 20% by mid-August, and below 5% by the end of 
the month" with "one late September sighting." That would appear to be similar 
or the same as described in the 1987 book. And I cannot see how this data 
supports your Aug. 10 cut off date in any case.    I just checked my (almost 
all done) eBird records for the Golden area. Over 22 years (1993-2014) I have a 
total of 14 records after Aug. 10, in 7 years, including 10 in Aug. and 4 in 
Sept. (to the 7th).  (In 7 other years the last records were in July.) The 
first 'late' one was in 1996 but most (9) were in the past 3 years, probably 
due to my greater efforts since starting to eBird in 2012.As TRSW nest right 
out our front window every year - except last year when they were evicted by a 
pair of MOBL and moved to a more distant box - and VGSW nest in our garage, I 
get plenty of ID practise. While it is certainly possible, if not 
probable, that I may have misidentified some of these 'late' TRSWs - 
particularly when flying and/or distant - I am sure that I did not misidentify 
most of them, including the latest one (last year) which was perched on a wire. 
But as I never considered them to be a big deal I did not make any detailed 
notes about them, can barely remember most of them, and thus cannot supply the 
now demanded details.  There is no doubt that TRSWs are "difficult to find" 
after early August. But given what the noted references stated as well as my 
own experience, I think that this Aug 10 cutoff date is too early for the 
southern interior, and made worse when applied retroactively. I am sure that 
I am not the only birder who did not make detailed notes, or have detailed 
memories, of all the now declared 'late' TRSWs from years gone by and thus 
cannot 'prove' them for you.  I would suggest a cutoff date of Sept. 1, or 
even Aug. 21, going forward. That call for extra caution, notes and preferably 
photos would then substantiate your "gut feeling," or not. In the meantime, I 
hope that no researcher consults the eBird record now and becomes concerned 
about the surprising migration discrepancy between southern BC and southern 
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Subject: RE: Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows
From: "'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 19:35:02 -0800
Doug: you raise some interesting points and worthy of reflection, as was 
Chris's earlier post. I should comment on the BBC remark that the peak movement 
of TRSW at Kamloops is 20 Aug - 3 Sep. 


The authors likely obtained part of their impressions from me as local 
observers were asked to fill out our estimates of peak movement periods. I 
can't recall the year that we did that. However, by the time I wrote the 
Kamloops checklist in 1994, I certainly did not conclude that the peak movement 
was that late in the month. I show it more in the period Aug 5-15 and tapering 
through August with a late date of about 20 Sep. 


But as I noted in my earlier reply to Chris, I can find few records in my data 
base after Aug 15 to corroborate my impressions and the few that I have are of 
1-5 birds at most. I have no large flock sightings. Unfortunately, those 
records are now so old that I cannot recall the details despite having the 
date, location and numbers in my notes. The "vision" of the sightings if you 
will has been stored in an inaccessible portion of the soft drive in my head. 
So either I trust my glorious past or cast a shadow on those sightings. 


It will be my intention from this point to watch for observations after 
mid-August in an attempt to put a finer point on this species. I am glad that 
Chris raised the question. As another but somewhat delinquent E-bird editor, I 
will be examining records for my own region and pondering how to handle them if 
there are any. I will closely examine the heaps of swallow droppings on Chris's 
brow for guidance. 


 

Rick Howie  (swallowing in the footprints of those who have forged ahead )

Kamloops

 

From: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: February-23-15 4:38 PM
To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bcintbird] Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows

 

  

Chris, 

 

While I applaud your efforts to maximize the accuracy of eBird records I am 
struggling to understand the basis of your decision to delete all (or most?) 
TRSW records after Aug. 10. 


 

'Birds of BC' (Campbell et al 1997 V3:140) states that "in the Central 
Interior, Southern Interior, and Southern Interior Mountains, large numbers [of 
TRSW] are still present in August. Most birds, however, have left the interior 
by early September." For the Kamloops area (V3:550) the "Peak [Autumn] 
Movement" was "20 Aug-3 Sep" with a late date of Sep 20. That is later than the 
"mid-Aug" peak they note for the Okanagan (late date 27 Sep) but similar to the 
"25-31 Aug" for Prince George. On the other hand, their late date for the Peace 
region (Ft. St. John) is Aug. 17 so one can see why an Aug. 10 cut off date 
could make s ense for that area - although there are later records for the AB 
side (e.g. Pinel et al 1993). 


 

'Birds of the Okanagan' (Cannings 1987:260-61) states that fall migration there 
"begins in early August" and "is normally over by early September" though 
"small groups or even larger flocks are occasionally seen throughout the 
month." They list 9 last-of-year records ranging from Aug 10 to Sep 27 "with a 
mean of 31 August." (Bent 1942/1963:399) notes a late date of Sept. 15 from 
Okanagan Landing.) 


 

Did all the earlier birders who contributed records to those books consistently 
misidentify TRSW? Has TRSW migration dramatically shifted since then? 


 

The only evidence you present to support your decision - other than your own 
personal experience - is recent data from one site: "the frequency graph for 
the Vaseu x banding station (for which we have a decade of daily census data)." 
As Dick noted, "frequency drops below 20% by mid-August, and below 5% by the 
end of the month" with "one late September sighting." That would appear to be 
similar or the same as described in the 1987 book. And I cannot see how this 
data supports your Aug. 10 cut off date in any case. 


 

I just checked my (almost all done) eBird records for the Golden area. Over 22 
years (1993-2014) I have a total of 14 records after Aug. 10, in 7 years, 
including 10 in Aug. and 4 in Sept. (to the 7th). (In 7 other years the last 
records were in July.) The first 'late' one was in 1996 but most (9) were in 
the past 3 years, probably due to my greater efforts since starting to eBird in 
2012. 


As TRSW nest right out our front window every year - except last year when they 
were evicted by a pair of MOBL and moved to a more distant box - and VGSW nest 
in our garage, I get plenty of ID practise. While it is certainly possible, if 
not probable, that I may have misidentified some of these 'late' TRSWs - 
particularly when flying and/or distant - I am sure that I did not misidentify 
most of them, including the latest one (last year) which was perched on a wire. 
But as I never considered them to be a big deal I did not make any detailed 
notes about them, can barely remember most of them, and thus cannot supply the 
now demanded details. 


 

There is no doubt that TRSWs are "difficult to find" after early August. But 
given what the noted references stated as well as my own experience, I think 
that this Aug 10 cutoff date is too early for the southern interior, and made 
worse when applied retroactively. I am sure that I am not the only birder who 
did not make detailed notes, or have detailed memories, of all the now declared 
'late' TRSWs from years gone by and thus cannot 'prove' them for you. 


 

I would suggest a cutoff date of Sept. 1, or even Aug. 21, going forward. That 
call for extra caution, notes and preferably photos would then substantiate 
your "gut feeling," or not. In the meantime, I hope that no researcher consults 
the eBird record now and becomes concerned about the surprising migration 
discrepancy between southern BC and southern AB. 


 

Doug Leighton

 

Blaeberry


Subject: Re: Spring Vanguard
From: "leighton.douglas AT yahoo.com [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 23 Feb 2015 16:46:39 -0800
Lucky you Rick. Here in the land of still mostly ice and snow the only real 
spring vanguard has been the start of the Pileated Woodpecker drumming season 
three days ago and what sounded like a pair of Canada Geese that did a honking 
flyover tour of our neighbourhood back on the 13th - earliest yard list record 
by more than two weeks but just a one day wonder. My wife has seen a CAGO in 
Golden since and my neighbor saw a Robin a few days ago (they winter in Golden) 
so I know spring is coming... 

 

 Just happy to be in BC and not Ontario where the ice cover on the Great Lakes 
is still increasing! 

 

 Doug Leighton
 

 Blaeberry 

Subject: Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows
From: "leighton.douglas AT yahoo.com [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 23 Feb 2015 16:37:47 -0800
Chris, 
 

 While I applaud your efforts to maximize the accuracy of eBird records I am 
struggling to understand the basis of your decision to delete all (or most?) 
TRSW records after Aug. 10. 

 

 'Birds of BC' (Campbell et al 1997 V3:140) states that "in the Central 
Interior, Southern Interior, and Southern Interior Mountains, large numbers [of 
TRSW] are still present in August. Most birds, however, have left the interior 
by early September." For the Kamloops area (V3:550) the "Peak [Autumn] 
Movement" was "20 Aug-3 Sep" with a late date of Sep 20. That is later than the 
"mid-Aug" peak they note for the Okanagan (late date 27 Sep) but similar to the 
"25-31 Aug" for Prince George. On the other hand, their late date for the Peace 
region (Ft. St. John) is Aug. 17 so one can see why an Aug. 10 cut off date 
could make sense for that area - although there are later records for the AB 
side (e.g. Pinel et al 1993). 

 

 'Birds of the Okanagan' (Cannings 1987:260-61) states that fall migration 
there "begins in early August" and "is normally over by early September" though 
"small groups or even larger flocks are occasionally seen throughout the 
month." They list 9 last-of-year records ranging from Aug 10 to Sep 27 "with a 
mean of 31 August." (Bent 1942/1963:399) notes a late date of Sept. 15 from 
Okanagan Landing.) 

 

 Did all the earlier birders who contributed records to those books 
consistently misidentify TRSW? Has TRSW migration dramatically shifted since 
then? 

 

 The only evidence you present to support your decision - other than your own 
personal experience - is recent data from one site: "the frequency graph for 
the Vaseux banding station (for which we have a decade of daily census data)." 
As Dick noted, "frequency drops below 20% by mid-August, and below 5% by the 
end of the month" with "one late September sighting." That would appear to be 
similar or the same as described in the 1987 book. And I cannot see how this 
data supports your Aug. 10 cut off date in any case. 

 

 I just checked my (almost all done) eBird records for the Golden area. Over 22 
years (1993-2014) I have a total of 14 records after Aug. 10, in 7 years, 
including 10 in Aug. and 4 in Sept. (to the 7th). (In 7 other years the last 
records were in July.) The first 'late' one was in 1996 but most (9) were in 
the past 3 years, probably due to my greater efforts since starting to eBird in 
2012. 


 As TRSW nest right out our front window every year - except last year when 
they were evicted by a pair of MOBL and moved to a more distant box - and VGSW 
nest in our garage, I get plenty of ID practise. While it is certainly 
possible, if not probable, that I may have misidentified some of these 'late' 
TRSWs - particularly when flying and/or distant - I am sure that I did not 
misidentify most of them, including the latest one (last year) which was 
perched on a wire. But as I never considered them to be a big deal I did not 
make any detailed notes about them, can barely remember most of them, and thus 
cannot supply the now demanded details. 

 

 There is no doubt that TRSWs are "difficult to find" after early August. But 
given what the noted references stated as well as my own experience, I think 
that this Aug 10 cutoff date is too early for the southern interior, and made 
worse when applied retroactively. I am sure that I am not the only birder who 
did not make detailed notes, or have detailed memories, of all the now declared 
'late' TRSWs from years gone by and thus cannot 'prove' them for you. 

 

 I would suggest a cutoff date of Sept. 1, or even Aug. 21, going forward. That 
call for extra caution, notes and preferably photos would then substantiate 
your "gut feeling," or not. In the meantime, I hope that no researcher consults 
the eBird record now and becomes concerned about the surprising migration 
discrepancy between southern BC and southern AB. 

 

 Doug Leighton
 

 Blaeberry


Subject: Dusky Geese in BC
From: "russellcannings AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 23 Feb 2015 12:38:41 -0800
To add to Chris and Rick's conversation re: Dusky Geese in BC: 

 In my experience Dusky Geese (medium-sized birds with chocolaty chests and 
lacking the 'sheen' that some Cacklers can have as noted by Chris C). I have 
only come across this form (Dusky) once in the interior of BC--on the Cawston 
CBC maybe around 6 years ago. My memory is foggy but there were at least 2 with 
a flock of regulars along the Similkameen River that day. 

 

 They also seem to be rare in Vancouver, however they are regular enough in 
migration on Vancouver Island in my experience with the Saanich Peninsula 
perhaps being one of the better sites for pure flocks of them. I would imagine 
Tofino would be good as well although I cannot say I've actually seen them 
there despite having counted many thousands of geese in that area. 

 

 Plenty of Canada Geese down here in NZ (introduced) though I doubt I'll be 
seeing any Duskies in the near future, 

 

 Russ Cannings
 Cambridge, NZ
Subject: Re: Spring Vanguard
From: "n.isaac155 AT yahoo.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 23 Feb 2015 12:17:59 -0800
Great early sighting Rick! That is quite the ambitious blackbird up at a 
high-elevation pond! 


 I was very surprised yesterday when I saw a male Mountain Bluebird at the West 
End lookout at Kenna Cartwright Park. I saw it at a distance and it's back was 
turned, so even though it could have been a Western that would be quite 
uncommon in the park. 

 

 I still have not seen my first of year Western Meadowlark.
 

 Isaac
Subject: RE: Geese in Kelowna
From: "Chris Charlesworth c_charlesworth23 AT hotmail.com [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 11:20:12 -0800
The link to my flickr account didn't work in the last email..

http://www.flickr.com/charlesworth30

Chris Charlesworth

To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com
From: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 11:16:47 -0800
Subject: [bcintbird] Geese in Kelowna














 

 



  


    
      
      
      


Rick,

Yes, I saw many of these 'Dusky' type Canada Geese in Oregon where they are 
common in winter, in December. Having studied the Cackling / Canada goose 
plates in the new version of the Sibley Guide, there is a chance that my three 
'Dusky' Canadas were actually Cackling Geese of what Sibley calls the Pacific 
race. This particular race has a nice purplish sheen across the upper breast 
and that was certainly noted on several of the birds at Robert Lake. My only 
issue with calling the three 'Dusky' geese Cacklers was that their bills did 
not seem short and stubby enough. I photographed one such 'Pacific' Cackling 
Goose at Thomson Brook Marsh in Kelowna yesterday though. You can see a photo 
of the bird at http://www.flickr.com/charlesworth30. Note the bird has purplish 
sheen to the breast, a small stubby bill and a relatively short neck. 


Chris Charlesworth
Kelowna, BC



To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com
From: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 17:19:14 -0800
Subject: RE: [bcintbird] A few good birds














 

 



  


    
      
      
      
Interesting report on Dusky Canada Geese Chris. Allegedly, they winter almost 
exclusively in the Willamette Valley of Oregon and migrate across the Pacific 
west of Vancouver Island and up the coast through Haida Gwaii to the Copper 
River Delta and adjacent Middleton Island where they nest. Rick Howie From: 
bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com] 

Sent: February-21-15 4:20 PM
To: bc intbird
Subject: [bcintbird] A few good birds   Birders,

Tanya Seebacher and I checked the Penticton waterfront this morning, with high 
hopes of finding the Iceland Gull. We had no luck with that bird, though there 
were quite a few HERRING, RING-BILLED, CALIFORNIA, GLAUCOUS-WINGED and up to 4 
THAYER'S GULLS present on the beach near the SS Sicamous. At the marina and 
Esplanade area we found just one YELLOW-RUMPED WARBLER, and heard one song from 
the BEWICK'S WREN. There was a large female adult COOPER'S HAWK here, which may 
have kept some of the other birds in hiding. We heard several CEDAR WAXWINGS 
overhead. One last attempt to find the gull, we tried the N.E. corner of Skaha 
Lake. There was a gull here, just a single adult RING-BILLED GULL, but the main 
highlight was a pair of EURASIAN WIGEON on a small pond at Rotary Park. The 
male was in brilliant breeding plumage, but the female was much more subtle. 


Back in Kelowna, we checked out Robert Lk and saw there were many birds to scan 
through. Waterfowl includes LESSER SCAUP, CANVASBACK, COMMON GOLDENEYE, 
BUFFLEHEAD, NORTHERN PINTAIL, GREEN-WINGED TEAL, AMERICAN WIGEON, GADWALL, 
MALLARD and loads and loads of CANADA GEESE. There were several of what I would 
call 'Dusky' Canada Geese that were smaller and darker than the local Canadas, 
with rusty upper breasts. Gulls on the lake included HERRING, CALIFORNIA and 
RING-BILLED GULLS, and Tanya spotted an immature GLAUCOUS GULL just before it 
flew north towards the lake. Howard Braun and I carried on to John Hindle Drive 
and scanned through more geese at Tutt's Pond where we caught up with the adult 
GREATER WHITE-FRONTED GOOSE that has been hanging around. 


Photos: http://www.flickr.com/charlesworth30

Chris Charlesworth
Kelowna, BC


    
     

    
    






   		 	   		  



    
     

    
    






   		 	   		  
Subject: Geese in Kelowna
From: "Chris Charlesworth c_charlesworth23 AT hotmail.com [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 11:16:47 -0800
Rick,

Yes, I saw many of these 'Dusky' type Canada Geese in Oregon where they are 
common in winter, in December. Having studied the Cackling / Canada goose 
plates in the new version of the Sibley Guide, there is a chance that my three 
'Dusky' Canadas were actually Cackling Geese of what Sibley calls the Pacific 
race. This particular race has a nice purplish sheen across the upper breast 
and that was certainly noted on several of the birds at Robert Lake. My only 
issue with calling the three 'Dusky' geese Cacklers was that their bills did 
not seem short and stubby enough. I photographed one such 'Pacific' Cackling 
Goose at Thomson Brook Marsh in Kelowna yesterday though. You can see a photo 
of the bird at http://www.flickr.com/charlesworth30. Note the bird has purplish 
sheen to the breast, a small stubby bill and a relatively short neck. 


Chris Charlesworth
Kelowna, BC



To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com
From: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 17:19:14 -0800
Subject: RE: [bcintbird] A few good birds














 

 



  


    
      
      
      
Interesting report on Dusky Canada Geese Chris. Allegedly, they winter almost 
exclusively in the Willamette Valley of Oregon and migrate across the Pacific 
west of Vancouver Island and up the coast through Haida Gwaii to the Copper 
River Delta and adjacent Middleton Island where they nest. Rick Howie From: 
bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com] 

Sent: February-21-15 4:20 PM
To: bc intbird
Subject: [bcintbird] A few good birds   Birders,

Tanya Seebacher and I checked the Penticton waterfront this morning, with high 
hopes of finding the Iceland Gull. We had no luck with that bird, though there 
were quite a few HERRING, RING-BILLED, CALIFORNIA, GLAUCOUS-WINGED and up to 4 
THAYER'S GULLS present on the beach near the SS Sicamous. At the marina and 
Esplanade area we found just one YELLOW-RUMPED WARBLER, and heard one song from 
the BEWICK'S WREN. There was a large female adult COOPER'S HAWK here, which may 
have kept some of the other birds in hiding. We heard several CEDAR WAXWINGS 
overhead. One last attempt to find the gull, we tried the N.E. corner of Skaha 
Lake. There was a gull here, just a single adult RING-BILLED GULL, but the main 
highlight was a pair of EURASIAN WIGEON on a small pond at Rotary Park. The 
male was in brilliant breeding plumage, but the female was much more subtle. 


Back in Kelowna, we checked out Robert Lk and saw there were many birds to scan 
through. Waterfowl includes LESSER SCAUP, CANVASBACK, COMMON GOLDENEYE, 
BUFFLEHEAD, NORTHERN PINTAIL, GREEN-WINGED TEAL, AMERICAN WIGEON, GADWALL, 
MALLARD and loads and loads of CANADA GEESE. There were several of what I would 
call 'Dusky' Canada Geese that were smaller and darker than the local Canadas, 
with rusty upper breasts. Gulls on the lake included HERRING, CALIFORNIA and 
RING-BILLED GULLS, and Tanya spotted an immature GLAUCOUS GULL just before it 
flew north towards the lake. Howard Braun and I carried on to John Hindle Drive 
and scanned through more geese at Tutt's Pond where we caught up with the adult 
GREATER WHITE-FRONTED GOOSE that has been hanging around. 


Photos: http://www.flickr.com/charlesworth30

Chris Charlesworth
Kelowna, BC


    
     

    
    






   		 	   		  
Subject: RE: Spring Vanguard
From: "'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 08:39:27 -0800
Thanks Wendy: yes we get Redwings overwintering as well. Most stay pretty
well in the valley bottom before either moving on completely or filtering
out into the wetlands around the landscape. I also received a very early
report of a Yellow-headed Blackbird at an upper elevation pond where they
breed regularly. The date was about Feb. 7 but it may have been a bird that
was overwintering in the valley bottom and just moved upslope. As migrants,
I don't really expect them until late March.

I was not aware of such a large aggregation of eagles in the winter at Cache
Creek. What do you think the food source is? I have explored that area to
some degree and there certainly are some good roost trees in a nice quiet
area. I wonder why so many would stay until May which is long after nesting
has started and cattle calving should be done as well. Non-breeders?

 

Rick Howie  

Kamloops

 

From: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: February-23-15 8:19 AM
To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bcintbird] Spring Vanguard

 

  

We counted over 100 Redwinged Blackbirds on our Christmas Bird Count, Dec.
23, on the Ashcroft Reserve and 6 robins were seen the same day in Cache
Creek although they didn't make it onto the official list. However, both are
frequent flyers on our CBC list over the 10 years that we've been keeping
stats. More interesting is what isn't on the list (which is not handy at the
moment). People were telling us that we missed such and such a bird because
they had already come and gone - usually by 2-3 weeks.

 

What I can tell you is that our eagle gathering was early this year - also
by 2-3 weeks. For at least the past 5 or 6 years, dozens of bald eagles have
been roosting in the trees beside the Bonaparte River behind the sewage
treatment plant in Cache Creek from January to May. This year they started
gathering in December. The plant operator told me a couple of weeks ago that
he's counted up to 70 this year. It's a really bizarre feeling to stand
there and listen to them "talk" to each other.

 

Wendy Coomber

Cache Creek

 

From: 'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]
  

Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 1:38 AM

To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com 

Cc: KNCinfo AT googlegroups.com 

Subject: [bcintbird] Spring Vanguard

 

Western Meadowlarks reported at Kamloops yesterday and I saw Mountain
Bluebirds for the first time today. These observations are the earliest I
have on record for the past 36 years. The next earliest date that I am aware
of is Feb. 26 for both species. There was a Redwinged Blackbird singing on
territory at a frozen marsh at the 1100+ metre elevation today and there was
a Robin in my neighbourhood yesterday. I have seen none in my area all
winter although a few wintered over along the South Thompson I think. House
Finches are singing lustily and Starlings are spreading out into the
hinterlands from their winter aggregations in the valley here.

 

Rick Howie  RP Bio

Aspen Park Consulting

4898 Spurraway Road

Kamloops, BC

V2H 1M6

 

ph - 250-578-7542

cell - 250-371-2551

 


Subject: Re: Spring Vanguard
From: "'Greenie' wcoomber AT telus.net [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 08:18:38 -0800
We counted over 100 Redwinged Blackbirds on our Christmas Bird Count, Dec. 23, 
on the Ashcroft Reserve and 6 robins were seen the same day in Cache Creek 
although they didn't make it onto the official list. However, both are frequent 
flyers on our CBC list over the 10 years that we've been keeping stats. More 
interesting is what isn't on the list (which is not handy at the moment). 
People were telling us that we missed such and such a bird because they had 
already come and gone - usually by 2-3 weeks. 


What I can tell you is that our eagle gathering was early this year - also by 
2-3 weeks. For at least the past 5 or 6 years, dozens of bald eagles have been 
roosting in the trees beside the Bonaparte River behind the sewage treatment 
plant in Cache Creek from January to May. This year they started gathering in 
December. The plant operator told me a couple of weeks ago that he's counted up 
to 70 this year. It's a really bizarre feeling to stand there and listen to 
them "talk" to each other. 


Wendy Coomber
Cache Creek


From: 'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird] 
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 1:38 AM
To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com 
Cc: KNCinfo AT googlegroups.com 
Subject: [bcintbird] Spring Vanguard





Western Meadowlarks reported at Kamloops yesterday and I saw Mountain Bluebirds 
for the first time today. These observations are the earliest I have on record 
for the past 36 years. The next earliest date that I am aware of is Feb. 26 for 
both species. There was a Redwinged Blackbird singing on territory at a frozen 
marsh at the 1100+ metre elevation today and there was a Robin in my 
neighbourhood yesterday. I have seen none in my area all winter although a few 
wintered over along the South Thompson I think. House Finches are singing 
lustily and Starlings are spreading out into the hinterlands from their winter 
aggregations in the valley here. 


 

Rick Howie  RP Bio

Aspen Park Consulting

4898 Spurraway Road

Kamloops, BC

V2H 1M6

 

ph - 250-578-7542

cell - 250-371-2551

 



Subject: Spring Vanguard
From: "'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 01:38:51 -0800
Western Meadowlarks reported at Kamloops yesterday and I saw Mountain
Bluebirds for the first time today. These observations are the earliest I
have on record for the past 36 years. The next earliest date that I am aware
of is Feb. 26 for both species. There was a Redwinged Blackbird singing on
territory at a frozen marsh at the 1100+ metre elevation today and there was
a Robin in my neighbourhood yesterday. I have seen none in my area all
winter although a few wintered over along the South Thompson I think. House
Finches are singing lustily and Starlings are spreading out into the
hinterlands from their winter aggregations in the valley here.

 

Rick Howie  RP Bio

Aspen Park Consulting

4898 Spurraway Road

Kamloops, BC

V2H 1M6

 

ph - 250-578-7542

cell - 250-371-2551

 
Subject: RE: A few good birds
From: "'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 17:19:14 -0800
Interesting report on Dusky Canada Geese Chris. Allegedly, they winter
almost exclusively in the Willamette Valley of Oregon and migrate across the
Pacific west of Vancouver Island and up the coast through  Haida Gwaii to
the Copper River Delta and adjacent Middleton Island where they nest. 

Rick Howie  

 

From: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: February-21-15 4:20 PM
To: bc intbird
Subject: [bcintbird] A few good birds

 

  

Birders,

Tanya Seebacher and I checked the Penticton waterfront this morning, with
high hopes of finding the Iceland Gull. We had no luck with that bird,
though there were quite a few HERRING, RING-BILLED, CALIFORNIA,
GLAUCOUS-WINGED and up to 4 THAYER'S GULLS present on the beach near the SS
Sicamous. At the marina and Esplanade area we found just one YELLOW-RUMPED
WARBLER, and heard one song from the BEWICK'S WREN. There was a large female
adult COOPER'S HAWK here, which may have kept some of the other birds in
hiding. We heard several CEDAR WAXWINGS overhead. One last attempt to find
the gull, we tried the N.E. corner of Skaha Lake. There was a gull here,
just a single adult RING-BILLED GULL, but the main highlight was a pair of
EURASIAN WIGEON on a small pond at Rotary Park. The male was in brilliant
breeding plumage, but the female was much more subtle. 

Back in Kelowna, we checked out Robert Lk and saw there were many birds to
scan through. Waterfowl includes LESSER SCAUP, CANVASBACK, COMMON GOLDENEYE,
BUFFLEHEAD, NORTHERN PINTAIL, GREEN-WINGED TEAL, AMERICAN WIGEON, GADWALL,
MALLARD and loads and loads of CANADA GEESE. There were several of what I
would call 'Dusky' Canada Geese that were smaller and darker than the local
Canadas, with rusty upper breasts. Gulls on the lake included HERRING,
CALIFORNIA and RING-BILLED GULLS, and Tanya spotted an immature GLAUCOUS
GULL just before it flew north towards the lake. Howard Braun and I carried
on to John Hindle Drive and scanned through more geese at Tutt's Pond where
we caught up with the adult GREATER WHITE-FRONTED GOOSE that has been
hanging around. 

Photos: http://www.flickr.com/charlesworth30

Chris Charlesworth
Kelowna, BC


Subject: A few good birds
From: "Chris Charlesworth c_charlesworth23 AT hotmail.com [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 16:20:00 -0800
Birders,

Tanya Seebacher and I checked the Penticton waterfront this morning, with high 
hopes of finding the Iceland Gull. We had no luck with that bird, though there 
were quite a few HERRING, RING-BILLED, CALIFORNIA, GLAUCOUS-WINGED and up to 4 
THAYER'S GULLS present on the beach near the SS Sicamous. At the marina and 
Esplanade area we found just one YELLOW-RUMPED WARBLER, and heard one song from 
the BEWICK'S WREN. There was a large female adult COOPER'S HAWK here, which may 
have kept some of the other birds in hiding. We heard several CEDAR WAXWINGS 
overhead. One last attempt to find the gull, we tried the N.E. corner of Skaha 
Lake. There was a gull here, just a single adult RING-BILLED GULL, but the main 
highlight was a pair of EURASIAN WIGEON on a small pond at Rotary Park. The 
male was in brilliant breeding plumage, but the female was much more subtle. 


Back in Kelowna, we checked out Robert Lk and saw there were many birds to scan 
through. Waterfowl includes LESSER SCAUP, CANVASBACK, COMMON GOLDENEYE, 
BUFFLEHEAD, NORTHERN PINTAIL, GREEN-WINGED TEAL, AMERICAN WIGEON, GADWALL, 
MALLARD and loads and loads of CANADA GEESE. There were several of what I would 
call 'Dusky' Canada Geese that were smaller and darker than the local Canadas, 
with rusty upper breasts. Gulls on the lake included HERRING, CALIFORNIA and 
RING-BILLED GULLS, and Tanya spotted an immature GLAUCOUS GULL just before it 
flew north towards the lake. Howard Braun and I carried on to John Hindle Drive 
and scanned through more geese at Tutt's Pond where we caught up with the adult 
GREATER WHITE-FRONTED GOOSE that has been hanging around. 


Photos: http://www.flickr.com/charlesworth30

Chris Charlesworth
Kelowna, BC
 		 	   		  
Subject: Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows
From: "Don Cecile dcecile AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 09:10:46 -0800
My database is insufficient to be so precise about departure times for Tree
Swallow in August but I have always made note of September occurrences after
I discovered how hard those birds were to find in September.  I have 8 data
entries for (September 1-18) Tree Swallows since 2000 (it took me a few
years to realize they were rare in Sept.)
I agree with Chris that Swallow identification is not straight-forward in
the fall as there are lots of strange-looking swallows that time of year and
8 Sept records over 15 years would indeed suggest that this bird is a rarity
in Sept.  I should also mention that finding a single Tree Swallow in Sept
is made more difficult by the massive numbers of other swallows moving at
that time.  I have been in Salmon Arm and looked through 3000 swallows
before finding one lone Tree Swallow and more often than not, I can look
through flocks of thousands in Sept and find no Tree Swallows.

Cheers,
Don


From:  "Chris Siddle chris.siddle AT gmail.com [bcintbird]"

Reply-To:  
Date:  Thursday, February 19, 2015 at 10:32 PM
To:  
Subject:  [bcintbird] eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows

 
 
 
 
   

Dear eBird contributor and interested observers,

It has been my experience both in the Peace River and the North Okanagan
that finding a Tree Swallow after about 5 August is difficult. When I asked
Dick Cannings, provincial expert, his experience with Tree Swallows where he
had lived in the province Dick responded:

{Departure of Tree Swallows in early August is]  certainly the case in the
South Okanagan.  Ill paste the frequency graph for the Vaseux banding
station (for which we have a decade of daily census data).  As you can see,
frequency drops below 20% by mid-August, and below 5% by the end of the
month.  Looks like we have one late September sighting but I dont know who
reported that one.

 
In spite of this evidence, I find that I am flooded with Tree Swallow
observations, particularly from the Shuswap for all of August-early October,
and yet when I have visited Salmon Arm during this time period I haven't
seen any Trees, but lots of most other species. My gut feeling is that
people are misidentifying young Violet-greens and Northern Rough-wings for
Tree Swallows. 

It is clear to anyone who has visited Salmon Arm Bay in late August and
early September that swallows congregate there in large numbers. However, in
spite of this I still believe that Tree Swallows are the rare exception
rather than the rule among the common Violet-green, Bank, Barn, Cliff and
Northern Rough-winged swallows.

Therefore I am taking the unusual step of rejecting all Tree Swallow records
after August 10 unless the sightings are supported with physical
descriptions of the birds seen or photos or videos. Since the vast majority
of Tree Swallow records for this period are accompanied by no notes, they
will be marked as invalid unless the contributor forwards to me convincing
details, as is the custom within the tradition of birding.

Furthermore I urge all observers to take close looks at bi-coloured swallows
in late summer and early autumn and make descriptive notes of any that they
feel are Tree Swallows.

Chris Siddle
 
   

 

Subject: Re: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows
From: "Michael Lancaster mbl.tenbel AT googlemail.com [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 09:48:36 +0000
Chris,
Perhaps you ought to point out that the records will remain on 
contributors personal database, merely not be accepted for ebird statistics.

As it happens, I have Tree Swallow records right until the end of Aug 
and two records at Vaseux on the 18th and 19th of Sept one year. One of 
those was a flock of 15 (18th) and the fact that the species occurred on 
consecutive days suggests that unless I misidentified them a movement 
was taking place. Identification could have been wrong as it was my 
first year at Vaseux (2003) - but my third year in the OK. I did record 
Violet-Green on the 19th but not the 18th. These would be Obs records as 
I do not do census. It might be interesting to look at Obs for Aug/Sept 
at Vaseux as the time available for these observations is about 4 times 
that of census takers and involves more individuals usually.

Barry
On 20/02/2015 06:32, Chris Siddle chris.siddle AT gmail.com [bcintbird] wrote:
> Dear eBird contributor and interested observers,
>
> It has been my experience both in the Peace River and the North 
> Okanagan that finding a Tree Swallow after about 5 August is 
> difficult. When I asked Dick Cannings, provincial expert, his 
> experience with Tree Swallows where he had lived in the province Dick 
> responded:
>
> {Departure of Tree Swallows in early August is]  certainly the case in 
> the South Okanagan.  I’ll paste the frequency graph for the Vaseux 
> banding station (for which we have a decade of daily census data).  As 
> you can see, frequency drops below 20% by mid-August, and below 5% by 
> the end of the month.  Looks like we have one late September sighting 
> but I don’t know who reported that one.
>
> In spite of this evidence, I find that I am flooded with Tree Swallow 
> observations, particularly from the Shuswap for all of August-early 
> October, and yet when I have visited Salmon Arm during this time 
> period I haven't seen any Trees, but lots of most other species. My 
> gut feeling is that people are misidentifying young Violet-greens and 
> Northern Rough-wings for Tree Swallows.
>
> It is clear to anyone who has visited Salmon Arm Bay in late August 
> and early September that swallows congregate there in large numbers. 
> However, in spite of this I still believe that Tree Swallows are the 
> rare exception rather than the rule among the common Violet-green, 
> Bank, Barn, Cliff and Northern Rough-winged swallows.
>
> Therefore I am taking the unusual step of rejecting all Tree Swallow 
> records after August 10 unless the sightings are supported with 
> physical descriptions of the birds seen or photos or videos. Since the 
> vast majority of Tree Swallow records for this period are accompanied 
> by no notes, they will be marked as invalid unless the contributor 
> forwards to me convincing details, as is the custom within the 
> tradition of birding.
>
> Furthermore I urge all observers to take close looks at bi-coloured 
> swallows in late summer and early autumn and make descriptive notes of 
> any that they feel are Tree Swallows.
>
> Chris Siddle
> 

-- 
M B Lancaster
Currently, Addlestone, UK
Subject: RE: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows
From: "'Rick Howie' r.howie AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 22:53:58 -0800
Chris: your perceptive note has me swallowing hard as I look over the Kamloops 
checklist. I ranked Tree Swallow as showing a dramatic decline from being 
common up until almost mid-August followed by a consistent drop in numbers 
through mid Sep. This may, as you point out, be due to erroneous data from past 
years. Looking back at my old notes, I actually have very few records after 
early August and even then, they were of 1-5 birds at most. The records are now 
so old that I cannot recall details so they are suspect even though they are my 
own. I don't know why I was so optimistic about Tree Swallow abundance back in 
1994 when I first published the checklist 


By contrast, I show much higher numbers of all other swallows through August 
and into Sept. which fits your observations at Salmon Arm. 


Thanks for raising this flag. I will be on the alert for TRSW after early Aug 
and I will be doing some serious review of the species for my next checklist 
revision which needs to be done soon. 


 

Rick Howie  

Kamloops

 

From: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: February-19-15 10:32 PM
To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bcintbird] eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows

 

  

Dear eBird contributor and interested observers,

 

It has been my experience both in the Peace River and the North Okanagan that 
finding a Tree Swallow after about 5 August is difficult. When I asked Dick 
Cannings, provincial expert, his experience with Tree Swallows where he had 
lived in the province Dick responded: 


 

{Departure of Tree Swallows in early August is] certainly the case in the South 
Okanagan. I’ll paste the frequency graph for the Vaseux banding station (for 
which we have a decade of daily census data). As you can see, frequency drops 
below 20% by mid-August, and below 5% by the end of the month. Looks like we 
have one late September sighting but I don’t know who reported that one. 


 

 

In spite of this evidence, I find that I am flooded with Tree Swallow 
observations, particularly from the Shuswap for all of August-early October, 
and yet when I have visited Salmon Arm during this time period I haven't seen 
any Trees, but lots of most other species. My gut feeling is that people are 
misidentifying young Violet-greens and Northern Rough-wings for Tree Swallows. 


 

It is clear to anyone who has visited Salmon Arm Bay in late August and early 
September that swallows congregate there in large numbers. However, in spite of 
this I still believe that Tree Swallows are the rare exception rather than the 
rule among the common Violet-green, Bank, Barn, Cliff and Northern Rough-winged 
swallows. 


 

Therefore I am taking the unusual step of rejecting all Tree Swallow records 
after August 10 unless the sightings are supported with physical descriptions 
of the birds seen or photos or videos. Since the vast majority of Tree Swallow 
records for this period are accompanied by no notes, they will be marked as 
invalid unless the contributor forwards to me convincing details, as is the 
custom within the tradition of birding. 


 

Furthermore I urge all observers to take close looks at bi-coloured swallows in 
late summer and early autumn and make descriptive notes of any that they feel 
are Tree Swallows. 


 

Chris Siddle


Subject: eBird August - October records of Tree Swallows
From: "Chris Siddle chris.siddle AT gmail.com [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 22:32:09 -0800
Dear eBird contributor and interested observers,

It has been my experience both in the Peace River and the North Okanagan
that finding a Tree Swallow after about 5 August is difficult. When I asked
Dick Cannings, provincial expert, his experience with Tree Swallows where
he had lived in the province Dick responded:

{Departure of Tree Swallows in early August is]  certainly the case in the
South Okanagan.  I’ll paste the frequency graph for the Vaseux banding
station (for which we have a decade of daily census data).  As you can see,
frequency drops below 20% by mid-August, and below 5% by the end of the
month.  Looks like we have one late September sighting but I don’t know who
reported that one.


In spite of this evidence, I find that I am flooded with Tree Swallow
observations, particularly from the Shuswap for all of August-early
October, and yet when I have visited Salmon Arm during this time period I
haven't seen any Trees, but lots of most other species. My gut feeling is
that people are misidentifying young Violet-greens and Northern Rough-wings
for Tree Swallows.

It is clear to anyone who has visited Salmon Arm Bay in late August and
early September that swallows congregate there in large numbers. However,
in spite of this I still believe that Tree Swallows are the rare exception
rather than the rule among the common Violet-green, Bank, Barn, Cliff and
Northern Rough-winged swallows.

Therefore I am taking the unusual step of rejecting all Tree Swallow
records after August 10 unless the sightings are supported with physical
descriptions of the birds seen or photos or videos. Since the vast majority
of Tree Swallow records for this period are accompanied by no notes, they
will be marked as invalid unless the contributor forwards to me convincing
details, as is the custom within the tradition of birding.

Furthermore I urge all observers to take close looks at bi-coloured
swallows in late summer and early autumn and make descriptive notes of any
that they feel are Tree Swallows.

Chris Siddle
Subject: Re: Gyrfalcon in Kelowna
From: "Chris Siddle chris.siddle AT gmail.com [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:54:56 -0800
Hi Shelley,

Re. Tutt's Pond.

I drive down the new road that branches off Glenmore Road at the south edge
of the landfill-farm (new traffic light there), pull over  and examine the
pond with a scope. I don't climb the fence because I don't like trespassing
either. It ruins the birding experience for me.

Chris S.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Shelley Courtney shelley AT rezgeek.com
[bcintbird]  wrote:

>
>
> Sorry for the confusion, Chris, I mean the road that continues on beside
> the lake towards UBCO. Here's a recent news article about the current
> situation.
> 
http://www.kelownanow.com/watercooler/news/news/Kelowna/15/02/17/UBCO_Appearing_in_Supreme_Court_for_Access_to_Private_Road 

>
> Homeowners are now "standing guard" at the private road to turn people
> away.
>
> I would like to know still how people access Tutt's pond? I'm
> uncomfortable accessing private property without permission.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 16, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Chris Siddle chris.siddle AT gmail.com
> [bcintbird]  wrote:
>
>
>
> Shelley,
>
> When you say "the small road", do you mean the road to the Robert Lake
> natural features sign where everyone stands and looks at the lake or do you
> mean the road that continues around the east side of the lake towards UBCO?
>
> Chris Siddle
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Shelley Courtney shelley AT rezgeek.com
> [bcintbird]  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Chris, what's the best way to access Tutt's Pond? I am going to make a
>> separate post for this, but the homeowners on the Curtis Rd properties have
>> started cracking down on the use of the the small road  beside Robert Lake
>> they don't want people on. It's important birders are respectful of the
>> sign.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2015, at 4:42 PM, Chris Charlesworth
>> c_charlesworth23 AT hotmail.com [bcintbird] 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Birders,
>>
>> Ryan Tomlinson had a gray phase GYRFALCON at Tutt's Pond, just north of
>> Robert Lk in Kelowna, in the afternoon on Feb 16. The bird was perched near
>> the edge of the pond, then interacted with Red-tailed Hawks as it continued
>> to fly north.
>>
>> Good find Ryan!
>>
>> Chris Charlesworth
>> Kelowna, BC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> 
>
Subject: Re: Gyrfalcon in Kelowna
From: "Shelley Courtney shelley AT rezgeek.com [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:48:31 -0800
Sorry for the confusion, Chris, I mean the road that continues on beside the 
lake towards UBCO. Here's a recent news article about the current situation. 
http://www.kelownanow.com/watercooler/news/news/Kelowna/15/02/17/UBCO_Appearing_in_Supreme_Court_for_Access_to_Private_Road 


Homeowners are now "standing guard" at the private road to turn people away. 

I would like to know still how people access Tutt's pond? I'm uncomfortable 
accessing private property without permission. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 16, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Chris Siddle chris.siddle AT gmail.com [bcintbird] 
 wrote: 

> 
> Shelley,
> 
> When you say "the small road", do you mean the road to the Robert Lake 
natural features sign where everyone stands and looks at the lake or do you 
mean the road that continues around the east side of the lake towards UBCO? 

> 
> Chris Siddle
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Shelley Courtney shelley AT rezgeek.com 
[bcintbird]  wrote: 

>> 
>> 
>> Chris, what's the best way to access Tutt's Pond? I am going to make a 
separate post for this, but the homeowners on the Curtis Rd properties have 
started cracking down on the use of the the small road beside Robert Lake they 
don't want people on. It's important birders are respectful of the sign. 

>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 16, 2015, at 4:42 PM, Chris Charlesworth 
c_charlesworth23 AT hotmail.com [bcintbird]  wrote: 

>>> 
>>>  
>>> Birders,
>>> 
>>> Ryan Tomlinson had a gray phase GYRFALCON at Tutt's Pond, just north of 
Robert Lk in Kelowna, in the afternoon on Feb 16. The bird was perched near the 
edge of the pond, then interacted with Red-tailed Hawks as it continued to fly 
north. 

>>> 
>>> Good find Ryan!
>>> 
>>> Chris Charlesworth
>>> Kelowna, BC
> 
> 
Subject: BCFO Bird Records Commitee
From: "gclulow AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 16 Feb 2015 22:29:02 -0800
There is an upcoming vacancy on the very active BCFO Bird Records Committee 
that we would like to fill. For details, please see the BCFO website 
 

 

 Thanks,
 

George Clulow, Burnaby
Subject: Re: Gyrfalcon in Kelowna
From: "Chris Siddle chris.siddle AT gmail.com [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 18:34:35 -0800
Shelley,

When you say "the small road", do you mean the road to the Robert Lake
natural features sign where everyone stands and looks at the lake or do you
mean the road that continues around the east side of the lake towards UBCO?

Chris Siddle

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Shelley Courtney shelley AT rezgeek.com
[bcintbird]  wrote:

>
>
> Chris, what's the best way to access Tutt's Pond? I am going to make a
> separate post for this, but the homeowners on the Curtis Rd properties have
> started cracking down on the use of the the small road  beside Robert Lake
> they don't want people on. It's important birders are respectful of the
> sign.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 16, 2015, at 4:42 PM, Chris Charlesworth
> c_charlesworth23 AT hotmail.com [bcintbird] 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Birders,
>
> Ryan Tomlinson had a gray phase GYRFALCON at Tutt's Pond, just north of
> Robert Lk in Kelowna, in the afternoon on Feb 16. The bird was perched near
> the edge of the pond, then interacted with Red-tailed Hawks as it continued
> to fly north.
>
> Good find Ryan!
>
> Chris Charlesworth
> Kelowna, BC
>
>
>
> 
>
Subject: Re: Gyrfalcon in Kelowna
From: "Shelley Courtney shelley AT rezgeek.com [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 17:17:30 -0800
Chris, what's the best way to access Tutt's Pond? I am going to make a separate 
post for this, but the homeowners on the Curtis Rd properties have started 
cracking down on the use of the the small road beside Robert Lake they don't 
want people on. It's important birders are respectful of the sign. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 16, 2015, at 4:42 PM, Chris Charlesworth c_charlesworth23 AT hotmail.com 
[bcintbird]  wrote: 

> 
> Birders,
> 
> Ryan Tomlinson had a gray phase GYRFALCON at Tutt's Pond, just north of 
Robert Lk in Kelowna, in the afternoon on Feb 16. The bird was perched near the 
edge of the pond, then interacted with Red-tailed Hawks as it continued to fly 
north. 

> 
> Good find Ryan!
> 
> Chris Charlesworth
> Kelowna, BC
> 
Subject: Gyrfalcon in Kelowna
From: "Chris Charlesworth c_charlesworth23 AT hotmail.com [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 16:42:25 -0800
Birders,

Ryan Tomlinson had a gray phase GYRFALCON at Tutt's Pond, just north of Robert 
Lk in Kelowna, in the afternoon on Feb 16. The bird was perched near the edge 
of the pond, then interacted with Red-tailed Hawks as it continued to fly 
north. 


Good find Ryan!

Chris Charlesworth
Kelowna, BC
 		 	   		  
Subject: RE: Purple Finches in Penticton
From: "amlahaie AT gmail.com [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 16 Feb 2015 16:00:17 -0800
I was back in there again this afternoon and managed to relocate one of the 
purple finches near where the bewick's wren usually is. 


 Amanda
Subject: Iceland Gull, Penticton
From: "Chris Charlesworth c_charlesworth23 AT hotmail.com [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 12:59:03 -0800
Birders,

Amanda Lahaie reports the first year ICELAND GULL is on the beach near the SS 
Sicamous in Penticton on Okanagan Lake right now, 12:45 PM, Feb 16. 


Chris Charlesworth
Kelowna, BC
 		 	   		  
Subject: Greater White-fronted Goose at Robert Lk
From: "Chris Charlesworth c_charlesworth23 AT hotmail.com [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 22:13:02 -0800
The adult GREATER WHITE-FRONTED GOOSE found yesterday at Robert Lk in Kelowna, 
by Tanya Seebacher was again there at dusk today (Feb 15). There were hundreds 
of CANADA GEESE in the area, along with 1-2 CACKLING GEESE as well. The 
white-fronted was seen both days on the grassy hillsides on the far side of the 
lake. 


Chris Charlesworth
Kelowna, BC

PS - Ryan Tomlinson tells me he had a SNOW BUNTING and a WESTERN MEADOWLARK 
yesterday (Feb 14) at Thompson Brook Marsh, Kelowna. 



 		 	   		  
Subject: RE: Purple Finches in Penticton
From: "'Dick Cannings' dickcannings AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:22:22 -0800
Hi Amanda et al.:

I looked for these birds today without any luck. I did find a single 
Yellow-rumped Warbler and a dozen Cedar Waxwings along the Esplanade trails. 


Dick Cannings

Penticton, BC

 

 

From: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: February 15, 2015 11:58 AM
To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bcintbird] Purple Finches in Penticton [1 Attachment]

 

  

[Attachment(s) from amlahaie AT gmail.com [bcintbird] included below] 

Hey everyone,

 

I was birding the Yacht club and Esplanade yesterday afternoon and ran into a 
small flock of 3 Purple Finches. The birds were in the dense brush just along 
the road. Hopefully they will stick around for a bit. 


 

Amanda





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Subject: Re: Great Backyard Bird count continues today and Monday
From: "drdrdrx AT hotmail.com [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 15 Feb 2015 16:03:06 -0800
I didn't see any meadowlarks today, but I did see a grasshopper. Not what I was 
expecting for the middle of February. 


Scott Thomson
Westbank
Subject: Re: Great Backyard Bird count continues today and Monday
From: "'A & J Ginns' ginnsj AT shaw.ca [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 15:11:57 -0800
Speaking of Meadowlarks, on Thursday (Feb 12) Janna Leslie and I were at Vaseux 
Bluffs and heard several Meadowlark calls. Despite spending about 30 mins 
trying to see a Meadowlark, the only birds in the area of the calls were 
Starlings! And eventually 3 Canyon Wrens began calling/singing. 


Cheers,  Jim G

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 'Dick Cannings' dickcannings AT shaw.ca [bcintbird] 
 To: bcintbird AT yahoogroups.com ; bcvibirds AT yahoogroups.com ; 
wkbirds AT yahoogroups.com ; vanbcbirds AT yahoogroups.com 

  Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 9:03 AM
  Subject: [bcintbird] Great Backyard Bird count continues today and Monday


    

  Hi birders:

 It's a beautiful day in BC, so remember to get out there and find some birds. 
And remember to report you sightings to the Great Backyard Bird Count at 
http://gbbc.birdcount.org/ -- it's easy, and great fun to watch the sightings 
come in. Just keep a checklist of what you see at each birding spot, and spend 
at least 15 minutes at each spot. 


 And here in Penticton, spring has officially sprung-the meadowlarks are 
singing! 


  Cheers

  Dick Cannings

  Penticton, BC




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Subject: Purple Finches in Penticton [1 Attachment]
From: "amlahaie AT gmail.com [bcintbird]" <bcintbird@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 15 Feb 2015 11:58:12 -0800
Hey everyone,
 

 I was birding the Yacht club and Esplanade yesterday afternoon and ran into a 
small flock of 3 Purple Finches. The birds were in the dense brush just along 
the road. Hopefully they will stick around for a bit. 

 

 Amanda