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17 Nov Hilton Pond 11/11/09 (Cedar Waxwings) ["Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" ] 16 Nov Mag-eyes ["Derek J. Matthews" ] 12 Nov Re: Compressed-air powered nets help [bom ] 12 Nov RFI: Color Banded Great Egrets ["Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" ] 12 Nov Re: Compressed-air powered nets help [Jack Clinton Eitniear ] 12 Nov Re: Compressed-air powered nets help [Phil Prosser ] 12 Nov Re: Compressed-air powered nets help [M Lancaster ] 11 Nov Compressed-air powered nets help [Chris Snook ] 10 Nov Hilton Pond 11/01/09 ["Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" ] 9 Nov Banded Great Egret ["Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" ] 7 Nov hypovolaemic trauma [Manuel Grosselet ] 6 Nov Metro Beach banding report - Fall 2009 brief summary ["Allen T. Chartier" ] 4 Nov mist net effort [Manuel Grosselet ] 1 Nov Metro Beach banding report - October 28 & 31, 2009 ["Allen T. Chartier" ] 29 Oct Hilton Pond 10/22/09 ["Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" ] 24 Oct Banding Today ["R.D. Everhart" ] 24 Oct Banding Today ["R.D. Everhart" ] 23 Oct Metro Beach banding report - October 22, 2009 ["Allen T. Chartier" ] 23 Oct New Zealand ringing ["David A. Merker" ] 22 Oct Re: Color banded Say's Phoebe: Don Schroeder [bewickwren ] 21 Oct Hilton Pond 10/16/09 (White Hummingbirds) ["Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" ] 21 Oct Re: Fw: [BIRDBAND] Fwd: ringing in the US [James Cracknell ] 21 Oct Re: Fwd: ringing in the US [Kay Loughman ] 21 Oct Selling used mistnets - 60mm [Anya Illes ] 21 Oct Fw: [BIRDBAND] Fwd: ringing in the US [M Lancaster ] 21 Oct Re: Fwd: ringing in the US [Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick ] 21 Oct Fwd: ringing in the US [James Cracknell ] 19 Oct reference needed - effect of bands on birds [Anthony Hill ] 19 Oct Neotropical Arrival Dates for Hummingbirds (Autumn 2009) ["Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" ] 18 Oct Another good day Banding ["R.D. Everhart" ] 18 Oct Another good day Banding ["R.D. Everhart" ] 17 Oct Saturday Banding at LNC ["R.D. Everhart" ] 17 Oct Saturday Banding at LNC ["R.D. Everhart" ] 17 Oct Saturday Banding at LNC ["R.D. Everhart" ] 17 Oct Re: Mentor needed (Hummingbird bander) [Charlie ] 17 Oct Hilton Pond 10/01/09 (More Fall Warblers) ["Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" ] 16 Oct Color banded Say's Phoebe [bewickwren ] 16 Oct Metro Beach banding report - October 14, 2009 ["Allen T. Chartier" ] 15 Oct Re: Mentor needed (Hummingbird bander) [SAKAI_WALTER ] 15 Oct Re: Mentor needed (Hummingbird bander) [John and Sue Gregoire ] 14 Oct Re: Mentor needed (Hummingbird bander) [SAKAI_WALTER ] 14 Oct Re: Mentor needed (Hummingbird bander) [Scott Weidensaul ] 14 Oct Mentor needed (Hummingbird bander) [John and Sue Gregoire ] 12 Oct Humor for a snowy day ["R.D. Everhart" ] 12 Oct Humor for a snowy day ["R.D. Everhart" ] 11 Oct Hey! [Jennifer Dawson ] 9 Oct Metro Beach banding report - October 4 & 8, 2009 ["Allen T. Chartier" ] 8 Oct Bird banding blog update [Anthony Overs ] 5 Oct Inland Bird Banding Association Meeting ["Ingold, James" ] 3 Oct Fall Migration along the marshes of Southwestern Lake Erie [m shieldcastle ] 2 Oct recent pub: effects of mist netting on reproductive performance [Diana Humple ] 2 Oct Metro Beach banding report - September 30, 2009 ["Allen T. Chartier" ] 1 Oct Hilton Pond 09/29/09 (Obese Hummingbirds) ["Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" ] 29 Sep Hilton Pond 09/22/09 (Fall Warblers) ["Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" ] 28 Sep Weekend Bird Banding ["R.D. Everhart" ] 28 Sep Weekend Bird Banding ["R.D. Everhart" ] 27 Sep Metro Beach banding report - September 25 & 26, 2009 ["Allen T. Chartier" ] 22 Sep Hilton Pond 09/15/09 (Hugo Then & Now) ["Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" ] 22 Sep Great day banding on Sunday ["R.D. Everhart" ] 22 Sep Great day banding on Sunday ["R.D. Everhart" ] 22 Sep Great day banding on Sunday ["R.D. Everhart" ] 20 Sep Metro Beach banding report - September 17, 2009 ["Allen T. Chartier" ] 16 Sep Hilton Pond 09/01/09 ["Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" ] 15 Sep Metro Beach banding report - September 11 & 13, 2009 ["Allen T. Chartier" ] 14 Sep Sunday banding results ["R.D. Everhart" ] 14 Sep Sunday banding results ["R.D. Everhart" ] 14 Sep Sunday banding results ["R.D. Everhart" ] 9 Sep Hilton Pond 08/22/09 ["Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" ] 8 Sep Re: removing bands thread [Danielle Kaschube ] 8 Sep Re: removing bands [Philip Round ] 8 Sep band removal thread [John and Sue Gregoire ] 8 Sep Metro Beach banding report - September 3, 5 & 6 ["Allen T. Chartier" ] 7 Sep Re: removing bands [Brent Ortego ] 7 Sep Re: removing bands thread [Risto Juvaste ] 7 Sep Re: removing bands thread ["Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" ] 7 Sep removing bands thread [Jack Clinton Eitniear ] Subject: Hilton Pond 11/11/09 (Cedar Waxwings) From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:25:58 -0500 We don't know anyone who doesn't like Cedar Waxwings, so we're pleased "This Week at Hilton Pond" to be able to share our photo essay about these "elegant" berry-eating birds. For some truly up-close looks at waxwings, please visit the installment for 11-17 November at http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek091111.html Don't forget to scroll down for a list of banded birds and recaptures, including a wily Eastern Towhee that has been around Hilton Pond a long time. REMINDER: the final deadline for our 2010 midwinter Neotropical Hummingbird Expeditions is 24 November 2009, so you still have time to join us for an unforgettable experience in countries that in January and February are warm, sunny, and filled with exotic flora and fauna. Trip info is at a link from the top of the photo essay. Happy Nature Watching! BILL ========= RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA (803) 684-5852 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ================== subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Mag-eyes From: "Derek J. Matthews" <Derek.J.Matthews AT SPECTRUM-CANADA.COM> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:21:24 -0800 Hi Guys, Does anyone know where I could get a pair of high quality 'mag-eyes' - We use hobby-shop quality headset mag-eyes at our banding station for looking at molt limits etc but I was wondering if anyone has used either surgical or dental quality headlamp systems and if so if they could recommend a particular brand and supplier. Thanks. Derek Matthews Vancouver Avian Research Centre Vancouver, BC, Canada www.birdvancouver.com subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Compressed-air powered nets help From: bom <bomah AT EIRCOM.NET> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:28:58 +0000 Hi Chris Lyndon Kearsley was collecting a lot of details on this type of net a few years ago. Perhaps he would be a good source of information. Regards barry Chris Snook wrote: > Has anyone on this list any experience with building/using compressed > air-powered cannon nets? > > I am trying to build a couple of compressed-air powered cannons for a > small scale cannon net ( 6 m x 3 m, weight 800 g ) and have some questions. > > 1. What typical air pressures are used? > 2. What size and weight of projectiles are used for what net size? > > Any help will be appreciated. > > Chris Snook, > Charleston, SC > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web > site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > -- Barry O'Mahony Cork, Ireland subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: RFI: Color Banded Great Egrets From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:15:26 -0500 This week we got a report of a color banded Great Egret in Fort Mill SC and learned it had been banded more than 500 miles due north on the Great Lakes. Chip Weseloh of the Canadian Wildlife Service subsequently asked me to post the following info. Please send questions or comments directly to Chip. "The Canadian Wildlife Service has colour-banded more than 1,200 young-of-the-year Great Egrets on four colonies in the Great Lakes Basin since 2000. All birds have been fitted with at least one red leg band with white alpha numerics. Reports of these birds have come from the southeastern United States and Cuba, with one report from the Azores Islands. PLEASE check all Great Egrets seen during the winter; our winter reports have been very few for the number of birds banded. Sightings should be reported to the federal Bird Banding Laboratory and to Chip Weseloh at " More info about the Fort Mill sighting and a photo of what to look for in the way of color banded Great Egrets is included at the end of my current "This Week at Hilton Pond" installment at http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek091101.html ========= RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA (803) 684-5852 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ================== subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Compressed-air powered nets help From: Jack Clinton Eitniear <jce AT CSTBINC.ORG> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:43:39 -0800 An elastic powered net used to capture caracara was detailed in an article published in the Journal of Field Ornithology a number of years ago. A search of articles in that journal might be fruitful. Jack Eitniear CSTB inc. "We will be known forever by the tracks we leave" Dakota Indian Saying --- On Thu, 11/12/09, Phil Prosser wrote: > From: Phil Prosser > Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] Compressed-air powered nets help > To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU > Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 6:13 AM > Compressed-air powered nets have also > been called "phut" nets (from the sound they make); this > might help your research. > > But elastic power is probably simpler and better for a net > of the sort of size you're proposing.  We've used an > elastic-powered "whoosh" net (also onomatopoeically named) > up to 5 by 15 metres, powered by four elastics to catch > Anser geese.  We've also routinely used smaller ones to > catch passerines - they can be set to fire VERY fast > indeed.  I have a document with some technical details > which I'll send you off-list if you like. > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dr Phil Prosser > Wildlife Ecotoxicologist > The Food and Environment Research Agency > Sand Hutton, York YO41 1LZ > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the > BirdBand web site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Compressed-air powered nets help From: Phil Prosser <phil.prosser AT FERA.GSI.GOV.UK> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:13:28 +0000 Compressed-air powered nets have also been called "phut" nets (from the sound they make); this might help your research. But elastic power is probably simpler and better for a net of the sort of size you're proposing. We've used an elastic-powered "whoosh" net (also onomatopoeically named) up to 5 by 15 metres, powered by four elastics to catch Anser geese. We've also routinely used smaller ones to catch passerines - they can be set to fire VERY fast indeed. I have a document with some technical details which I'll send you off-list if you like. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr Phil Prosser Wildlife Ecotoxicologist The Food and Environment Research Agency Sand Hutton, York YO41 1LZ subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Compressed-air powered nets help From: M Lancaster <mbl.tenbel AT GOOGLEMAIL.COM> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:18:45 -0000 For a net as small as this an elasticised system will suffice. The trajectory is however not very high and needs to be adjusted by stretching the elastic over a pole to give initial lift. We were catching small passerines. I think BTO (UK) have designs. I was involved with one of these several years ago and it worked fine and was much larger than your proposed net. I cannot remember details I am afraid. Barry M B Lancaster Currently, Addlestone UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Snook" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 5:53 PM Subject: [BIRDBAND] Compressed-air powered nets help > Has anyone on this list any experience with building/using compressed > air-powered cannon nets? > > I am trying to build a couple of compressed-air powered cannons for a > small scale cannon net ( 6 m x 3 m, weight 800 g ) and have some > questions. > > 1. What typical air pressures are used? > 2. What size and weight of projectiles are used for what net size? > > Any help will be appreciated. > > Chris Snook, > Charleston, SC > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web > site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Compressed-air powered nets help From: Chris Snook <snook_c AT BELLSOUTH.NET> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:53:48 -0500 Has anyone on this list any experience with building/using compressed air-powered cannon nets? I am trying to build a couple of compressed-air powered cannons for a small scale cannon net ( 6 m x 3 m, weight 800 g ) and have some questions. 1. What typical air pressures are used? 2. What size and weight of projectiles are used for what net size? Any help will be appreciated. Chris Snook, Charleston, SC subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Hilton Pond 11/01/09 From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:20:44 -0500 By late October and early November, nature is getting downright serious about preparing for winter. For a sampling of phenological happenings that occur in late autumn, please see our "This Week at Hilton Pond" photo essay for 1-10 November at http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek091101.html . There's something for almost everyone--Songbirds, hawks, pollinators, wildflowers, and info about this year's abundant mast crop. There's also a bonus photo and story about a Great Egret that's a long way from where it was originally captured--plus our usual list of birds banded and recaptured during the period--so please don't forget to scroll down the entire page. And as a reminder, the final deadline for our 2010 midwinter Neotropical Hummingbird Expeditions is 24 November 2009, so you still have time to join us for an unforgettable experience in countries that in January and February are warm, sunny, and filled with exotic flora and fauna. Happy Nature Watching! BILL ========= RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA (803) 684-5852 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ================== subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Banded Great Egret From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:31:58 -0500 I received a photo of a Great Egret near Fort Mill SC with three bands, two on its left leg and one on the right. Are you aware of anyone in the Carolinas who is banding this species? Thanks, BILL ========= RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA (803) 684-5852 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ================== subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: hypovolaemic trauma From: Manuel Grosselet <birdinnet AT YAHOO.COM.MX> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:19:24 -0800 The last time banding, we got a tropical kingbird in the net w Hi Guy, The last time banding, we got a tropical kingbird in the net with blood in the bill, and apparently trouble to breath. It wasn't able to fly. We try to keep alive, but finally it pass away. We take the bird to the veterinarian school of UNAM, mexico, to have a diagnostic. The result of the diagnostic is asphyxi and hypovolaemic trauma.. Somebody Get that before, heard about this trouble in bird in the mistnets?? It's not the first bird that we get with this trauma, and always in Tropical Kingbird.. Somebody have more information?? Let us know... All the best Manuelwww.tierradeaves.com Encuentra las mejores recetas en Yahoo! Cocina. http://mx.mujer.yahoo.com/cocina/ subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Metro Beach banding report - Fall 2009 brief summary From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1 AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:51:02 -0500 Birders and Banders, I have just posted a brief summary of results of the fall 2009 banding season at Metro Beach Metro Park, Macomb Co., Michigan on my blog. Go to: http://tinyurl.com/m5vcl2 A detailed report will be posted on my website by the end of December (or sooner hopefully). www.amazilia.net/MetroBeachBanding/ Allen T. Chartier amazilia1(at)comcast.net Inkster, Michigan, USA subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: mist net effort From: Manuel Grosselet <birdinnet AT YAHOO.COM.MX> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:16:39 -0800 I am preparing a note on my result of banding from the last Hi folks, I am preparing a note on my result of banding from the last year, and I would like to compare effort between my station and others stations in North central and South america. I need to number of birds per hours misnet for the fall 2008 (Agost to November), and spring 2009 (just april and beginning of May). If you could share your information about that It should be great. Thanks in advance. Manuel Grosselet www.tierradeaves.com Encuentra las mejores recetas en Yahoo! Cocina. http://mx.mujer.yahoo.com/cocina/ subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Metro Beach banding report - October 28 & 31, 2009 From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1 AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:33:42 -0500 Birders and Banders, I have just posted results, highlights, and photos from two banding sessions conducted on October 28 & 31, 2009 at Metro Beach Metro Park, Macomb Co., Michigan on my blog. This was the last week of fall banding here for this year. This blog entry containes one more side-by-side comparison, which has been popular among regular readers of the blog. A brief summary of the entire season will be posted at the end of this week, and the full report will be posted on my website by the end of December (or sooner hopefully). Go to: http://tinyurl.com/m5vcl2 Allen T. Chartier amazilia1(at)comcast.net Inkster, Michigan, USA subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Hilton Pond 10/22/09 From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:23:15 -0400 "This Week at Hilton Pond" we were admiring all the fall color when a swarm of insects began rising from the ground just outside our office window. Upon further examination--and the use of our olfactory nerves-- we determined they were a distinctive species of flying ants just beginning their fall mating flight. For some close-up looks at the prospective mates, please see our current photo essay for 22-31 October 2009 at http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek091022.html Don't forget to scroll down for a surprisingly diverse list of all birds banded and recaptured this week and a note about fall migrants. Happy Autumn Nature Watching! BILL ========= RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA (803) 684-5852 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ================== subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Banding Today From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:59:55 -0500 The lousy weather has kept me from banding until today and I was able to catch some interesting birds. I had 2 warbler species still present (Orange-crowned and a retrap Yellow-rumped) and 4 Fox Sparrows. Also caught 2 Golden-crowned Kinglets. Oddest bird of the day was a Northern Cardinal missing part of it's right leg. Pictures and totals for the day are at my blog: http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com If the weather holds I will be in Wisconsin tomorrow banding at a friends house. Hopefully things will still be hanging around there too. Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org _______________________________________________ mnbird mailing list mnbird AT lists.mnbird.net http://lists.mnbird.net/mailman/listinfo/mnbird Unsubscribe: %(user_optionsurl)s Subject: Banding Today From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:59:55 -0500 The lousy weather has kept me from banding until today and I was able to catch some interesting birds. I had 2 warbler species still present (Orange-crowned and a retrap Yellow-rumped) and 4 Fox Sparrows. Also caught 2 Golden-crowned Kinglets. Oddest bird of the day was a Northern Cardinal missing part of it's right leg. Pictures and totals for the day are at my blog: http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com If the weather holds I will be in Wisconsin tomorrow banding at a friends house. Hopefully things will still be hanging around there too. Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Metro Beach banding report - October 22, 2009 From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1 AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:53:17 -0400 Birders and Banders, I have just posted results, highlights, and photos from a banding session conducted on October 22, 2009 at Metro Beach Metro Park, Macomb Co., Michigan on my blog. It was not a very busy day, but interesting nonetheless. Who would have thought 5 species of warbler could have been banded this late in October? Go to: http://tinyurl.com/m5vcl2 Allen T. Chartier amazilia1(at)comcast.net Inkster, Michigan, USA subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: New Zealand ringing From: "David A. Merker" <David.A.Merker AT HITCHCOCK.ORG> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 07:43:29 -0400 Hi All My son and subpermittee is in NZ with the University of New Hampshire. He will have a few weeks in December to travel around and visit a ringing station or 2. Any New Zealander ringers out there willing to have a visitor come through? thanks subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Color banded Say's Phoebe: Don Schroeder From: bewickwren <bewickwren AT EARTHLINK.NET> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:44:53 -0700 Banders, For the first time, a post of mine on this board has failed to locate a bander for a photographed bird. The only tip that I got from the post below was that Don Schroeder, formerly (?) of Santa Barbara might know. But no contact information. So, if you don't know of someone who is color banding Say's Phoebes, perhaps you know how to contact Don? The phoebe was seen in Desert Center again on the 15th. John Green -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 8:33 PM Banders, My photographing friends have been at it again, now with a color banded Say's Phoebe at Desert Center, CA. If this bird might be yours, please contact me for photos (taken by Curtis Marantz). It was seen on 8 October and again on the 10th. Left leg service band bottom, white top; right leg green bottom, blue top. John Green Riverside, CA subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Hilton Pond 10/16/09 (White Hummingbirds) From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:00:31 -0400 For folks who feed hummingbirds, there's hardly anything more exciting than to have a white one show up unannounced among the normal-colored hummers. Thus, we devote our current installment of "This Week at Hilton Pond" to a gallery of white hummingbird images sent to us from across the country. To view our 16-21 October 2009 photo essay on albinos, leucistos, and pieds, please visit http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek091016.html While there, remember to scroll down for a look at our weekly banding totals, plus miscellanous nature notes about Wood Ducks, the status of our endangered Schweinitz's Sunflowers, and our first White-throated Sparrow of the fall. Happy NatureWatching! BILL ========= RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA (803) 684-5852 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ================== subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Fw: [BIRDBAND] Fwd: ringing in the US From: James Cracknell <james AT JCRACKNELL.CO.UK> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:10:38 +0100 Barry Before anyone else tries to fire shots at an innocent party the term "needs" is colloquial British English for "would like to". I even say it myself as in "I need to do some ringing this weekend". When you have a lot on in life (family & work) there is an urge that brings us all back to ringing birds. I need to mark a load of student coursework next week - but I also need to get the mist nets up in the garden & multi-tasking! :-) As a society in general we are not formal about presenting ourselves when using email, especially between fellow banders! I think the "ticks" issue is totally unfair - otherwise why would I ever bother hosting other ringers/banders and training them? I enjoy hosting ringers from abroad, both parties learn so much. I am personally against the concept of ticks and I think this is brought about through poor training attitudes. Any fool can close a metal band, but as for ID of confusion species, handling, ageing & sexing et al. that is completely different. The opportunity for new learning experiences sometimes doesn't come our way everyday. Alas you often end up having to create your own with every opportunity that comes your way. Perhaps that is why some of us going on banding expeditions to other places and learn from other groups? Then again youthful or even older peoples enthusiasm can be misinterpreted! J. 2009/10/21 M Lancaster > I suspect the word 'needs' should be 'I would like to' - ring. In which > case he needs to know contacts in Mexico who would allow him to band under > their licence and supervision. > > In other words get a few 'banding ticks'. > > Of course I could be totally wrong. > > Barry > M B Lancaster > Currently - Hong Kong > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick" < > CelticCail AT AOL.COM> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:39 PM > Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] Fwd: ringing in the US > > > If he wants to get his banding permits in the U.S. and so on, he's looking >> for the Bird Banding Lab: _http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/bbl/_ >> (http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/bbl/) >> >> Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick >> Bander-in-Charge >> Raccoon Ridge Bird Observatory >> Branchville, NJ >> _www.raccoonridgebirdobservatory.com_ >> (http://www.raccoonridgebirdobservatory.com) >> >> >> >> In a message dated 10/21/2009 7:17:41 A.M. 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I know we are all asked to provide proof of permit etc when purchasing them from official sellers. But can an individual (a subpermittee, no less) legally sell them to another individual? If it is not legal for individuals to sell them, does anyone know an official seller that buys used mist nets? I don't need these because 36mm mesh turned out to be better for the target species I was netting. They are sitting around being useless. Anya -- __________________________________________________ Anya E. Illes Doctoral Candidate University of Washington Biology Department 24 Kincaid Hall Box 351800 Seattle, WA, USA 98195-1800 ailles AT u.washington.edu www.ailles.com subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Fw: [BIRDBAND] Fwd: ringing in the US From: M Lancaster <mbl.tenbel AT GOOGLEMAIL.COM> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:22:05 +0800 I suspect the word 'needs' should be 'I would like to' - ring. In which case he needs to know contacts in Mexico who would allow him to band under their licence and supervision. In other words get a few 'banding ticks'. Of course I could be totally wrong. Barry M B Lancaster Currently - Hong Kong ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] Fwd: ringing in the US > If he wants to get his banding permits in the U.S. and so on, he's looking > for the Bird Banding Lab: _http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/bbl/_ > (http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/bbl/) > > Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick > Bander-in-Charge > Raccoon Ridge Bird Observatory > Branchville, NJ > _www.raccoonridgebirdobservatory.com_ > (http://www.raccoonridgebirdobservatory.com) > > > In a message dated 10/21/2009 7:17:41 A.M. 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Groups > > Start a > group Nncm91cHMyBHN0aW1lAzEyNTYwNDk5NTY-> > > in 3 easy steps. > > Connect with others. > . > > __,_._,___ > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web > site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > > > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web > site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Fwd: ringing in the US From: Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick <CelticCail AT AOL.COM> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 07:39:27 EDT If he wants to get his banding permits in the U.S. and so on, he's looking for the Bird Banding Lab: _http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/bbl/_ (http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/bbl/) Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick Bander-in-Charge Raccoon Ridge Bird Observatory Branchville, NJ _www.raccoonridgebirdobservatory.com_ (http://www.raccoonridgebirdobservatory.com) In a message dated 10/21/2009 7:17:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, james AT JCRACKNELL.CO.UK writes: Hi all in the States Can you help this chap? James ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Matthew Aeberhard Date: 2009/10/20 Subject: [btoringers] ringing in the US To: btoringers AT yahoogroups.com hi all, can anyone tell me where i should go to investigate ringing in the US? i am based in northern New Mexico for a while - and i need to ring! best, matt aeberhard __._,_.___ Messages in this topic ( 2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages| Files| Photos [image: Yahoo! Groups] Change settings via the Web(Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest| Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity Visit Your Group Give Back Yahoo! for Good Get inspired by a good cause. Y! Toolbar Get it Free! easy 1-click access to your groups. Yahoo! Groups Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. . __,_._,___ subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Fwd: ringing in the US From: James Cracknell <james AT JCRACKNELL.CO.UK> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:07:05 +0100 Hi all in the States Can you help this chap? James ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Matthew Aeberhard Date: 2009/10/20 Subject: [btoringers] ringing in the US To: btoringers AT yahoogroups.com hi all, can anyone tell me where i should go to investigate ringing in the US? i am based in northern New Mexico for a while - and i need to ring! best, matt aeberhard __._,_.___ Messages in this topic ( 2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages| Files| Photos [image: Yahoo! Groups] Change settings via the Web(Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest| Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity Visit Your Group Give Back Yahoo! for Good Get inspired by a good cause. Y! Toolbar Get it Free! easy 1-click access to your groups. Yahoo! Groups Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. . __,_._,___ subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: reference needed - effect of bands on birds From: Anthony Hill <anhinga13 AT HOTMAIL.COM> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:49:12 -0400 I recall encountering an article somewhere that described some European studies evaluating whether the presence of bands/rings on birds had any effect, good or bad, on the birds' daily lives, mate attraction, etc. Can anyone point me to any such articles? Thank you for your help. Anthony Hill Massachusetts, USA | Préservons l'environnement - Avez-vous réellement besoin d'imprimer ce courriel ? | | Please consider the environment - Do you really need to print this e-mail? | | Piense en verde. Antes de imprimir este email hágase la siguiente pregunta, es necesario?| = _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Neotropical Arrival Dates for Hummingbirds (Autumn 2009) From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:32:50 -0400 By now, nearly all the Ruby-throated Hummingbirds (Archilochus colubris) that will migrate from the U.S. and Canada have departed North America. They are either on the way to non-breeding grounds in Mexico and Central America or have already arrived in the Neotropics. I would be very interested in knowing this year's autumn arrival dates for RTHU if you are in Mexico or any of the seven countries of Central America. I'm also interested in knowing the sex of each RTHU if you can determine it. (Adult males have full red gorgets. Some immature males at this time of year have a few red feathers on their throats. RTHU with white throats could be adult females, immature females, or immature males and should be called "unknown sex.") You can e-mail this information to me, but it would be specially helpful if you could report it through my Operation RubyThroat on-line protocols at EarthTrek at http://goearthtrek.com . You will need to join EarthTrek to report data, but there is no cost to you. Please note that you may report early arrival dates from previous years if you have those data in your files. Next spring you can also report the last dates that you observe RTHU in the Neotropics. The first autumn arrival date reported for 2009 was an adult male on 8 October in Guanacaste Province, Costa Rica--not far from where I have been conducting research on RTHU in January and February. Thank you in advance for your help, BILL ========= RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA (803) 684-5852 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ================== subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Another good day Banding From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:50:05 -0500 Cool and windy didn't get in the way of a pretty good morning banding by my school. 20 birds of 8 species including 2 late Tennessee Warblers. http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Weather looks wet later this week but hopefully clears up for next weekend! Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org _______________________________________________ mnbird mailing list mnbird AT lists.mnbird.net http://lists.mnbird.net/mailman/listinfo/mnbird Unsubscribe: %(user_optionsurl)s Subject: Another good day Banding From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:50:05 -0500 Cool and windy didn't get in the way of a pretty good morning banding by my school. 20 birds of 8 species including 2 late Tennessee Warblers. http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Weather looks wet later this week but hopefully clears up for next weekend! Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Saturday Banding at LNC From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:42:41 -0500 Finally a break in the lousy weather of the last week! It came just in time for the monthly banding session at the Lowry Nature Center near Victoria, MN. What a great day! We were busy from the first net run. Birds were everywhere. Birds of note included Golden-crowned Kinglet, a late Eastern Phoebe and 2 Hermit Thrushes. Totals, pictures and a short video from this morning are at: http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com We're headed back out tomorrow though it sounds like the wind might be picking up over the next two days. Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN http://www.ncbo.org _______________________________________________ mnbird mailing list mnbird AT lists.mnbird.net http://lists.mnbird.net/mailman/listinfo/mnbird Unsubscribe: %(user_optionsurl)s Subject: Saturday Banding at LNC From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:42:41 -0500 Finally a break in the lousy weather of the last week! It came just in time for the monthly banding session at the Lowry Nature Center near Victoria, MN. What a great day! We were busy from the first net run. Birds were everywhere. Birds of note included Golden-crowned Kinglet, a late Eastern Phoebe and 2 Hermit Thrushes. Totals, pictures and a short video from this morning are at: http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com We're headed back out tomorrow though it sounds like the wind might be picking up over the next two days. Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN http://www.ncbo.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Saturday Banding at LNC From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:42:41 -0500 Finally a break in the lousy weather of the last week! It came just in time for the monthly banding session at the Lowry Nature Center near Victoria, MN. What a great day! We were busy from the first net run. Birds were everywhere. Birds of note included Golden-crowned Kinglet, a late Eastern Phoebe and 2 Hermit Thrushes. Totals, pictures and a short video from this morning are at: http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com We're headed back out tomorrow though it sounds like the wind might be picking up over the next two days. Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN http://www.ncbo.org #################### You received this email because you are subscribed to the Wisconsin Birding Network (Wisbirdn). To UNSUBSCRIBE or SUBSCRIBE, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: http://www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. To set DIGEST or VACATION modes, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: http://www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. Visit Wisbirdn ARCHIVES at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/wisbirdn. Subject: Re: Mentor needed (Hummingbird bander) From: Charlie <cmmbirds AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:03:30 -0700 All, Not wanting this person to just be ignored, I decided to send him a message in an attempt to explain to him what we all seem to understand, but which many, many people out there do not. Please note I didn't name the listserv and didn't send this on behalf of any group or organization, just as an individual. Perhaps it would be valuable for some organization (AFO?) to put together some sort of a similar letter for generic use when we recieve such inquiries? While these folks have (in our collective opinion) unrealistic expectations, it's just not fair to them to not set them straight at the earliest opportunity. Or, perhaps you folks can tell me if I'm out of line here? Cheers, Charlie Muise Lamar County, GA Hello TJ, Your name and request has been passed on to me. I gather that you are trying to obtain training to work with hummingbirds prior to this spring. I feel it important to tell you that it would exceedingly difficult to obtain such training anywhere in North America in that timing. My only recommendation would be to try to contact one of the winter banders in Texas or Louisiana. Realistically, you'd need to handle at least a few hundred birds to obtain a master permit; perhaps with as few as one hundred birds you could find someone willing to take you on as a sub permittee, which may be all you need. There are so few hummber banders in the US (less than 1 out of 100 or more banders?) that you have very few options. You may or may not realize that hummer banding is very special. I've been a master bander for 3 years, and managed 2 stations as a sub-permittee for 6 years before that. Prior to that I had been obtaining training as I could since 1992. I took two classes from the Institute for Bird Populations. I now operate 2 banding stations year-round, band at my home in winter, trap Loggerhead Shrikes on the road year-round, and try to band owls in the winter. However, I am nowhere near ready to try to go for the next step, which is banding hummingbirds. I've been told by a couple of very well-known hummer banders that they'd be willing to train me, and that it would take a minimum of 2 weeks of constant effort - which would have to happen at a time and place where we could catch dozens of birds per day. Of course, that only happens in certain places and at certain times - most of which have passed for the year. I hate to send a "gloom and doom" type message, but I feel it's important that you understand the difficulty of what you are trying to accomplish. Cheers, Charlie Muise Lamar County, GA subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Hilton Pond 10/01/09 (More Fall Warblers) From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:10:54 -0400 A couple of weeks ago we devoted a "This Week at Hilton Pond" photo essay to making some "confusing fall warblers" less so. After lots of kind comments from Web site visitors, we decided to cover a few more species that migrated through during the first half of October. To view our latest series on migrant parulids, please check out the 1-15 October 2009 installment at http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek091001.html After puzzling over the warblers, don't forget to scroll down for our usual list of birds banded or recaptured during the period, as well as a couple of miscellaneous nature notes. We also reveal the winner of our "Chubby Hummingbird Naming Contest." Happy Nature Watching! BILL ========= RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA (803) 684-5852 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ================== subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Color banded Say's Phoebe From: bewickwren <bewickwren AT EARTHLINK.NET> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:32:57 -0700 Banders, My photographing friends have been at it again, now with a color banded Say's Phoebe at Desert Center, CA. If this bird might be yours, please contact me for photos (taken by Curtis Marantz). It was seen on 8 October and again on the 10th. Left leg service band bottom, white top; right leg green bottom, blue top. John Green Riverside, CA subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Metro Beach banding report - October 14, 2009 From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1 AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:54:48 -0400 Birders and Banders, I have just posted results, highlights, and photos from a banding session conducted on October 14, 2009 at Metro Beach Metro Park, Macomb Co., Michigan on my blog. This day had an overall record for birds banded, breaking a 19 year old record, and also was a record day for one species, 72 of them in one day. To find out which species this is, check out the blog! Go to: http://tinyurl.com/m5vcl2 Allen T. Chartier amazilia1(at)comcast.net Inkster, Michigan, USA subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Mentor needed (Hummingbird bander) From: SAKAI_WALTER <SAKAI_WALTER AT SMC.EDU> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:57:42 -0700 How true. I have seen Master Banders simply "give" their graduate students permits so they can work on their dissertations, after a couple days of training in the field. Well, I take that back. At least, in my opinion, the graduate student was poorly trained. In one case, a graduate student was even taking blood samples. Sorry to offend Master Banders/Professors in academia, but this is where I have seen most of the abuse. This is part of the reason for the NABC certification program that many banders have resisted. A more independent evaluation of a prospective bander would be preferable to the above, although I am sure most Masters banders expect very high standards of training and internship before giving a subpermit. Walt -----Original Message----- From: Bird Bander's Forum [mailto:BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On Behalf Of John and Sue Gregoire Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:17 AM To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] Mentor needed (Hummingbird bander) We have seen the same thing Walt. Some of them have left us because the time/procedural requirements were too much and then headed for one of the "trainer" sessions. It's more than a bit scary when they return to the area within 6 months with a permit. I much prefer the apprentice system of learning as you describe. No one will become a competent bander in a week or two. -- John and Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett,NY 14818-9626 Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/ "Conserve and Create Habitat" On Wed, October 14, 2009 14:07, SAKAI_WALTER wrote: > This is a common problem that I encounter. I regularly have graduate > students and biological consultant-types, who think they can come out > for a few banding session and become competent banders. When I inform > them that they have come out at the crack of dawn for a full year to > "see" breeding condition, molts, and the various problems that they may > encounter while banding, just to become a passable bander, the > enthusiasm to learn how to band wanes precipitously. I can usually tell > after a few cycles if the person has the passion for bird banding. The > ones that don't disappear. > > Walt > > Walter H. Sakai > Professor of Biology, Santa Monica College, 1900 Pico Blvd, Santa > Monica, CA 90405-1628 > Research Associate, Entomology Section, Natural History Museum of L.A. > Research Associate, Western Foundation of Vertebrate Zoology > Editor, Western Section, North American Bird Bander > Tele: 310.434.4702 FAX: 310.434.3624 > email: sakai_walter AT smc.edu; DanauSakai AT aol.com > homepage: http://homepage.smc.edu/sakai_walter > Federal Bird Banding Permit # 22030 > "Migrate with the Monarchs" > "The best way to learn something is to teach it." > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bird Bander's Forum [mailto:BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On > Behalf Of John and Sue Gregoire > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:33 AM > To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU > Subject: [BIRDBAND] Mentor needed (Hummingbird bander) > > Might one of you who lives closer be able to assist TJ? Please respond > to him > directly as he is not on the listserv. He'll obviously need to adjust > his time > availability and require more training than he thinks, but it would be > nice for > someone to nurture this interest. > Best, > John > > My name is T.J. Zenzal and I am one of Frank Moore's masters students at > the > University of Southern Mississippi. I am looking into possibly doing my > masters > project working with hummingbirds. I was told by Sara Kaiser that you > may be willing > to train banders. If you or anyone else you know would be willing to > train me > possibly before the spring (march), I would be very interested in that. > I would be > available to train anytime between Dec 15th and March 15th. > > Thank you, > > T.J. Zenzal > > -- > T.J. Zenzal > Migratory Bird Research Group > Department of Biological Sciences > University of Southern Mississippi > 118 College Drive Box 5018 > Hattiesburg, MS 39406-0001 > tjzenzal AT gmail.com > > 601-266-4394 > > -- > John and Sue Gregoire > Field Ornithologists > Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory > 5373 Fitzgerald Road > Burdett,NY 14818-9626 > Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/ > "Conserve and Create Habitat" > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web > site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Mentor needed (Hummingbird bander) From: John and Sue Gregoire <khmo AT EMPACC.NET> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:17:07 -0400 We have seen the same thing Walt. Some of them have left us because the time/procedural requirements were too much and then headed for one of the "trainer" sessions. It's more than a bit scary when they return to the area within 6 months with a permit. I much prefer the apprentice system of learning as you describe. No one will become a competent bander in a week or two. -- John and Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett,NY 14818-9626 Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/ "Conserve and Create Habitat" On Wed, October 14, 2009 14:07, SAKAI_WALTER wrote: > This is a common problem that I encounter. I regularly have graduate > students and biological consultant-types, who think they can come out > for a few banding session and become competent banders. When I inform > them that they have come out at the crack of dawn for a full year to > "see" breeding condition, molts, and the various problems that they may > encounter while banding, just to become a passable bander, the > enthusiasm to learn how to band wanes precipitously. I can usually tell > after a few cycles if the person has the passion for bird banding. The > ones that don't disappear. > > Walt > > Walter H. Sakai > Professor of Biology, Santa Monica College, 1900 Pico Blvd, Santa > Monica, CA 90405-1628 > Research Associate, Entomology Section, Natural History Museum of L.A. > Research Associate, Western Foundation of Vertebrate Zoology > Editor, Western Section, North American Bird Bander > Tele: 310.434.4702 FAX: 310.434.3624 > email: sakai_walter AT smc.edu; DanauSakai AT aol.com > homepage: http://homepage.smc.edu/sakai_walter > Federal Bird Banding Permit # 22030 > "Migrate with the Monarchs" > "The best way to learn something is to teach it." > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bird Bander's Forum [mailto:BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On > Behalf Of John and Sue Gregoire > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:33 AM > To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU > Subject: [BIRDBAND] Mentor needed (Hummingbird bander) > > Might one of you who lives closer be able to assist TJ? Please respond > to him > directly as he is not on the listserv. He'll obviously need to adjust > his time > availability and require more training than he thinks, but it would be > nice for > someone to nurture this interest. > Best, > John > > My name is T.J. Zenzal and I am one of Frank Moore's masters students at > the > University of Southern Mississippi. I am looking into possibly doing my > masters > project working with hummingbirds. I was told by Sara Kaiser that you > may be willing > to train banders. If you or anyone else you know would be willing to > train me > possibly before the spring (march), I would be very interested in that. > I would be > available to train anytime between Dec 15th and March 15th. > > Thank you, > > T.J. Zenzal > > -- > T.J. Zenzal > Migratory Bird Research Group > Department of Biological Sciences > University of Southern Mississippi > 118 College Drive Box 5018 > Hattiesburg, MS 39406-0001 > tjzenzal AT gmail.com > > 601-266-4394 > > -- > John and Sue Gregoire > Field Ornithologists > Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory > 5373 Fitzgerald Road > Burdett,NY 14818-9626 > Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/ > "Conserve and Create Habitat" > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web > site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Mentor needed (Hummingbird bander) From: SAKAI_WALTER <SAKAI_WALTER AT SMC.EDU> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:07:00 -0700 This is a common problem that I encounter. I regularly have graduate students and biological consultant-types, who think they can come out for a few banding session and become competent banders. When I inform them that they have come out at the crack of dawn for a full year to "see" breeding condition, molts, and the various problems that they may encounter while banding, just to become a passable bander, the enthusiasm to learn how to band wanes precipitously. I can usually tell after a few cycles if the person has the passion for bird banding. The ones that don't disappear. Walt Walter H. Sakai Professor of Biology, Santa Monica College, 1900 Pico Blvd, Santa Monica, CA 90405-1628 Research Associate, Entomology Section, Natural History Museum of L.A. Research Associate, Western Foundation of Vertebrate Zoology Editor, Western Section, North American Bird Bander Tele: 310.434.4702 FAX: 310.434.3624 email: sakai_walter AT smc.edu; DanauSakai AT aol.com homepage: http://homepage.smc.edu/sakai_walter Federal Bird Banding Permit # 22030 "Migrate with the Monarchs" "The best way to learn something is to teach it." -----Original Message----- From: Bird Bander's Forum [mailto:BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On Behalf Of John and Sue Gregoire Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:33 AM To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Subject: [BIRDBAND] Mentor needed (Hummingbird bander) Might one of you who lives closer be able to assist TJ? Please respond to him directly as he is not on the listserv. He'll obviously need to adjust his time availability and require more training than he thinks, but it would be nice for someone to nurture this interest. Best, John My name is T.J. Zenzal and I am one of Frank Moore's masters students at the University of Southern Mississippi. I am looking into possibly doing my masters project working with hummingbirds. I was told by Sara Kaiser that you may be willing to train banders. If you or anyone else you know would be willing to train me possibly before the spring (march), I would be very interested in that. I would be available to train anytime between Dec 15th and March 15th. Thank you, T.J. Zenzal -- T.J. Zenzal Migratory Bird Research Group Department of Biological Sciences University of Southern Mississippi 118 College Drive Box 5018 Hattiesburg, MS 39406-0001 tjzenzal AT gmail.com 601-266-4394 -- John and Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett,NY 14818-9626 Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/ "Conserve and Create Habitat" subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Mentor needed (Hummingbird bander) From: Scott Weidensaul <scottweidensaul AT VERIZON.NET> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:42:57 -0400 Apparently Mr. Zenzal approached most or all licensed hummingbird banders in North America, including those of us who live in the north where there are no hummers to speak of in the Dec. 15-March 15 period in which he wants to train. I gather he's now looking for someone in the tropics with whom to work. Scott Weidensaul Schuylkill Haven, PA >Might one of you who lives closer be able to assist TJ? Please respond to him >directly as he is not on the listserv. He'll obviously need to adjust his time >availability and require more training than he thinks, but it would >be nice for >someone to nurture this interest. >Best, >John > >My name is T.J. Zenzal and I am one of Frank Moore's masters students at the >University of Southern Mississippi. I am looking into possibly doing >my masters >project working with hummingbirds. I was told by Sara Kaiser that >you may be willing >to train banders. If you or anyone else you know would be willing to train me >possibly before the spring (march), I would be very interested in >that. I would be >available to train anytime between Dec 15th and March 15th. > >Thank you, > >T.J. Zenzal > >-- >T.J. Zenzal >Migratory Bird Research Group >Department of Biological Sciences >University of Southern Mississippi >118 College Drive Box 5018 >Hattiesburg, MS 39406-0001 >tjzenzal AT gmail.com > >601-266-4394 > >-- >John and Sue Gregoire >Field Ornithologists >Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory >5373 Fitzgerald Road >Burdett,NY 14818-9626 > Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/ >"Conserve and Create Habitat" > >subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: >http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Mentor needed (Hummingbird bander) From: John and Sue Gregoire <khmo AT EMPACC.NET> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:33:04 -0400 Might one of you who lives closer be able to assist TJ? Please respond to him directly as he is not on the listserv. He'll obviously need to adjust his time availability and require more training than he thinks, but it would be nice for someone to nurture this interest. Best, John My name is T.J. Zenzal and I am one of Frank Moore's masters students at the University of Southern Mississippi. I am looking into possibly doing my masters project working with hummingbirds. I was told by Sara Kaiser that you may be willing to train banders. If you or anyone else you know would be willing to train me possibly before the spring (march), I would be very interested in that. I would be available to train anytime between Dec 15th and March 15th. Thank you, T.J. Zenzal -- T.J. Zenzal Migratory Bird Research Group Department of Biological Sciences University of Southern Mississippi 118 College Drive Box 5018 Hattiesburg, MS 39406-0001 tjzenzal AT gmail.com 601-266-4394 -- John and Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett,NY 14818-9626 Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/ "Conserve and Create Habitat" subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Humor for a snowy day From: "R.D. 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Chartier amazilia1(at)comcast.net Inkster, Michigan, USA subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Bird banding blog update From: Anthony Overs <anthony.overs AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 13:29:40 +1100 Hi everyone We had our first banding trip to Monga NP on the weekend. See http://birdbander.blogspot.com/ for details Cheers Anthony subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Inland Bird Banding Association Meeting From: "Ingold, James" <James.Ingold AT LSUS.EDU> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:17:33 -0500 Our annual meeting is being November 6-8 in St. Louis, MO hosted by the World Bird Sanctuary. The meeting will include a presentation by Brad Jacobs, Missouri State Ornithologist of the Missouri Department of Conservation regarding his work at Pico Bonito on Friday evening and a live bird presentation by Walter C. Crawford, Jr. and staff of the World Bird Sanctuary on Saturday evening. Saturday morning sessions will include an early morning driving tour of the Lone Elk St. Louis County Park and then a behind the scenes tour of the World Bird Sanctuary. Presentation of Papers and Workshops will be Saturday afternoon. The deadline for registration is this Friday. Details and registration forms can be found at our new web page: http://ibbainfo.org/ Thanks! Jim Ingold, President IBBA LSU in Shreveport This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee(s) and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, and/or EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this communication in error, please destroy all copies of the message, whether in electronic or hard copy format, as well as attachments and immediately contact the sender by replying to this email. subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Fall Migration along the marshes of Southwestern Lake Erie From: m shieldcastle <mcshieldcastle AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 16:02:37 -0400 The 20th year of daily fall migration has finally picked up along the southern shore of Lake Erie at Black Swamp Bird Observatory's main banding station at Navarre Marsh (Ottawa NWR) in northern Ohio. A good example of lake effect can be gleaned by compairing captures with Allen Chartier's along the NW shore region. After a near record spring migration (see http://www.bsbo.org/passerine/spring_navarre_pmm.htm ) this fall has been slow with predominant NE winds throuout early September. Now that west northwest winds have started in regularity activity has picked up. You can see daily activity at http://www.bsbo.org/passerine/fall_passerine_migration_monitoring.htm or follow the Banders blog at http://bsbobirdbander.blogspot.com/ More research and education activities can be found from the home page at http://www.bsbobird.org/ We expect movements to continue for at least another 4 weeks. subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: recent pub: effects of mist netting on reproductive performance From: Diana Humple <dhumple AT PRBO.ORG> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 13:38:09 -0700 FYI, from the most recent issue of The Condor. If you don't have access to it, feel free to email Scott Jennings (sjennings AT prbo.org) for a PDF. Effects of Mist Netting on Reproductive Performance of Wrentits and Song Sparrows in Central Coastal California Scott Jennings, Thomas Gardali, Nathaniel E. Seavy, and Geoffrey R. Geupel PRBO Conservation Science, 3820 Cypress Drive #11, Petaluma, CA 94954 The Condor 111(3):488-496. 2009 Abstract. Mist netting is widely used to monitor the reproductive success of passerines, yet little is known about its effects on bird ecology. Using a 25-year data set from central California, we evaluated the effects of constant-effort mist netting on the reproductive performance of the Wrentit (Chamaea fasciata) and Song Sparrow (Melospiza melodia). We compared nest survival, number of young fledged, and an index of nestling condition (mass corrected for body size) at nests where at least one parent was captured while the nest was active to these variables at nests where neither parent was captured. We also compared these characteristics for nests at varying distances from nets run at different frequencies. Wrentit nestlings from nests closer to less frequently run nets were in poorer condition than those from nests close to more frequently run nets and than those far away from any nets. For the Song Sparrow, daily nest survival was higher where at least one parent was captured while the nest was active. For all other comparisons, there was no statistical evidence that mist netting had an effect on reproductive performance of these species. This information should ease concerns about the use of mist nets in monitoring avian demographics. --- Diana Humple PRBO Conservation Science Palomarin Field Station PO Box 1157 999 Mesa Road Bolinas CA 94924 office 415.868.0655 x 386 cell 415.717.6390 www.prbo.org To report observations of oiled wildlife in California, call the OWCN Response Hotline at 1-877-UCD-OWCN subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Metro Beach banding report - September 30, 2009 From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1 AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:03:14 -0400 Birders and Banders, I have just posted results, highlights, and photos from a banding session conducted on September 30, 2009 at Metro Beach Metro Park, Macomb Co., Michigan on my blog. It was the busiest day so far this fall, and one of the ten busiest ever, with new arrivals and several highlights. Go to: http://tinyurl.com/m5vcl2 Allen T. Chartier amazilia1(at)comcast.net Inkster, Michigan, USA subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Hilton Pond 09/29/09 (Obese Hummingbirds) From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:34:44 -0400 In autumn, Ruby-throated Hummingbirds typically put on a good deal of fat that sustains them in their long south-bound migratory flight. Through the years we've captured and banded several rather rotund ruby- throats, but a few days ago we caught the ultimate in chubbiness. For our somewhat tongue-in-cheek look at obesity in hummingbirds, please visit the bonus installment of "This Week at Hilton Pond" for 29-30 September 2009. The latest photo essay is at http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek090929.html While there, scroll down to see what birds we banded in the short, two- day period and get an update on our hummer banding progress in 2009. Happy Heavy Hummingbird Watching! BILL ========= RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA (803) 684-5852 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ================== subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Hilton Pond 09/22/09 (Fall Warblers) From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:11:18 -0400 We don't know whether Roger Tory Peterson actually coined the phrase "confusing fall warblers," but the concept shouldn't really apply if you spend a little time learning field marks. To help, we've put together a collection of mug shots and profile images of 11 fall warblers we captured so far this month and posted it as the latest installment of "This Week at Hilton Pond." To view the photo essay for 22-28 September 2009, go to http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek090922.html After reading about fall warblers, please don't forget to scroll down for a list of all birds banded or recaptured during the third week of September, as well as nature notes about late-breeding American Goldfinches, the current status of Ruby-throated Hummingbird banding at Hilton Pond, and the sighting of a bird seldom seen at the Center. Happy Nature Watching! BILL ========= RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA (803) 684-5852 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ================== subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Weekend Bird Banding From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 07:30:05 -0500 I was able to get out both mornings this weekend by myself to do some banding and had pretty good results. I ended up with 24 birds of 12 species even though Sunday was very windy and rain hit just as I was making the last net run. Species caught confirm migration is still in full swing but some groups are almost done. Warblers caught are typical later fall migrants like Orange-crowned. Sparrows are beginning to move through this area with good numbers of White-throateds being seen. I have posted some photos at: http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN _______________________________________________ mnbird mailing list mnbird AT lists.mnbird.net http://lists.mnbird.net/mailman/listinfo/mnbird Unsubscribe: %(user_optionsurl)s Subject: Weekend Bird Banding From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 07:30:05 -0500 I was able to get out both mornings this weekend by myself to do some banding and had pretty good results. I ended up with 24 birds of 12 species even though Sunday was very windy and rain hit just as I was making the last net run. Species caught confirm migration is still in full swing but some groups are almost done. Warblers caught are typical later fall migrants like Orange-crowned. Sparrows are beginning to move through this area with good numbers of White-throateds being seen. I have posted some photos at: http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Metro Beach banding report - September 25 & 26, 2009 From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1 AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:29:29 -0400 Birders and Banders, I have just posted results, highlights, and photos from banding sessions conducted on September 25 & 26, 2009 at Metro Beach Metro Park, Macomb Co., Michigan on my blog. Nearly 250 birds were banded on these two days, with several first arrivals for the fall and a couple surprises. Go to: http://tinyurl.com/m5vcl2 Allen T. Chartier amazilia1(at)comcast.net Inkster, Michigan, USA subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Hilton Pond 09/15/09 (Hugo Then & Now) From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:39:57 -0400 Twenty years ago this morning we awoke at Hilton Pond to a new post- Hurricane Hugo world. The "storm of the century" spared our old farmhouse but several big trees received damage still visible two decades later. Hugo then and now is the topic for our 15-21 September 2009 installment of "This Week at Hilton Pond," available at http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek090915.html After viewing the photo essay, please scroll down for our usual list of birds banded during the week, as well as miscellaneous nature notes about some more recent storm-related damage, the week's tally of banded hummers, and a link to our latest publication about migration research with Ruby-throated Hummingbirds. Happy Nature Watching! BILL ========= RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA (803) 684-5852 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ================== subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Great day banding on Sunday From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:29:36 -0500 Had a wonderful fall banding session last Sunday with perfect weather and lots of birds. Caught several first of fall migrants and one first ever species. Pictures and lists are at: http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN _______________________________________________ mnbird mailing list mnbird AT lists.mnbird.net http://lists.mnbird.net/mailman/listinfo/mnbird Unsubscribe: %(user_optionsurl)s Subject: Great day banding on Sunday From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:29:36 -0500 Had a wonderful fall banding session last Sunday with perfect weather and lots of birds. Caught several first of fall migrants and one first ever species. Pictures and lists are at: http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Great day banding on Sunday From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:29:36 -0500 Had a wonderful fall banding session last Sunday with perfect weather and lots of birds. Caught several first of fall migrants and one first ever species. Pictures and lists are at: http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN #################### You received this email because you are subscribed to the Wisconsin Birding Network (Wisbirdn). To UNSUBSCRIBE or SUBSCRIBE, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: http://www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. To set DIGEST or VACATION modes, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: http://www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. Visit Wisbirdn ARCHIVES at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/wisbirdn. Subject: Metro Beach banding report - September 17, 2009 From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1 AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:23:37 -0400 Birders and Banders, I have just posted results, highlights, and photos from a banding session conducted on September 17, 2009 at Metro Beach Metro Park, Macomb Co., Michigan on my blog. Warbler and thrush numbers have picked up again, and several firsts for the season were captured. Go to: http://tinyurl.com/m5vcl2 Allen T. Chartier amazilia1(at)comcast.net Inkster, Michigan, USA subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Hilton Pond 09/01/09 From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:08:02 -0400 Although folks often associate dragonflies and damselflies with the heat of summer, many species are still alive and well into late fall. "This Week at Hilton Pond" we take a photographic look at some of these "autumn odonates" and talk about their taxonomy, morphology, and behavior. To view our photo essay for 1-14 September 2009, visit http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek090901.html While there, please scroll down for a list of all birds banded and recaptured during the period, as well as some miscellaneous nature notes about a record-setting Ruby-throated Hummingbird, a plague of mosquitoes, and a worn-out Eastern Tufted Titmouse. Happy Nature Watching! BILL ========= RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA (803) 684-5852 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ================== subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Metro Beach banding report - September 11 & 13, 2009 From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1 AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:39:31 -0400 Birders and Banders, I have just posted results, highlights, and photos from banding sessions conducted on September 11 & 13, 2009 at Metro Beach Metro Park, Macomb Co., Michigan on my blog. Migration has slowed, but still some interesting birds were captured. Go to: http://tinyurl.com/m5vcl2 Allen T. Chartier amazilia1(at)comcast.net Inkster, Michigan, USA subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Sunday banding results From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:27:28 -0500 We held a banding session on Sunday at Ritter Farm Park just south of the Twin Cities metro area here in Minnesota and had good results. Pictures are posted at: http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com I also just took a peek at the national radar map and it appears that there is excellent movement again tonight all across the eastern U.S.. Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN _______________________________________________ mnbird mailing list mnbird AT lists.mnbird.net http://lists.mnbird.net/mailman/listinfo/mnbird Unsubscribe: %(user_optionsurl)s Subject: Sunday banding results From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:27:28 -0500 We held a banding session on Sunday at Ritter Farm Park just south of the Twin Cities metro area here in Minnesota and had good results. Pictures are posted at: http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com I also just took a peek at the national radar map and it appears that there is excellent movement again tonight all across the eastern U.S.. Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Sunday banding results From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:27:28 -0500 We held a banding session on Sunday at Ritter Farm Park just south of the Twin Cities metro area here in Minnesota and had good results. Pictures are posted at: http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com I also just took a peek at the national radar map and it appears that there is excellent movement again tonight all across the eastern U.S.. Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN #################### You received this email because you are subscribed to the Wisconsin Birding Network (Wisbirdn). To UNSUBSCRIBE or SUBSCRIBE, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: http://www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. To set DIGEST or VACATION modes, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: http://www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. Visit Wisbirdn ARCHIVES at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/wisbirdn. Subject: Hilton Pond 08/22/09 From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:24:37 -0400 There have been lots of butterflies flitting around as of late, which reminded us of a query once posed by Marston Bates: "What good is a butterfly?" That odd question long ago had major impact on the way we study and teach about natural history, so we decided "This Week at Hilton Pond" to ruminate on a butterfly's value. To view our latest photo essay for 22-31 August 2009, visit http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek090822.html While you're there, please scroll down for a list of all birds banded and recaptured during the period, plus some miscellaneous nature notes--including one about a significant local increase in hummingbird numbers. Happy Nature Watching! BILL ========= RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA (803) 684-5852 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ================== subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: removing bands thread From: Danielle Kaschube <dkaschube AT BIRDPOP.ORG> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 15:46:15 -0400 I'm very fond of end-nipper pliers! You align the open edges of the pliers with the seam of the band and, as you close the pliers, the wedge shape of the nippers opens the band. If the band is over lapped you can use the nippers to cut/nip the overlaping portion off and then once a seam is available you can use the wedge technique mentioned above. The nice thing is that this technique works even if a band is right up against the leg and the pliers work on all sizes of bands. You can buy them at almost any hardware store for about $10. Cheers, Danielle At 03:55 PM 9/7/2009, Jack Clinton Eitniear wrote: >Banders > >If the bands are put on wrong such that they overlap you have >virtually no room , tarsus fills everything, to insert opening >pliers. Any options here except to get two pliers and pry the band open? > >Jack Eitniear >San Antonio > > >"We will be known forever by the tracks we leave" Dakota Indian Saying > >subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: >http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: removing bands From: Philip Round <pdround AT KSC.TH.COM> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 21:09:17 +0700 You can buy specially modified circlip pliers for band removal (along with a range of other banding equipment) from the UK company Porzana Ltd. www.porzana.co.uk/ Enquiries to Kevin Thornton at porzana AT cfs-broadband.co.uk Philip D. Round Regional Representative, The Wetland Trust, Assistant Professor, Department of Biology, Faculty of Science, Mahidol Unversity, Rama 6 Road, Bangkok 10400, Thailand. Tel. ++66-2-201-5278 (office) ++66-81-914-8675 (mobile) ++66-2-445-7306 (residence) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Clinton Eitniear" To: Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] removing bands > Birdbanders > > This was probably already addressed but worth repeating. From time to time > I have occassion to remove a metal band. Especially when you have no > assistance it is very challenging as one, of course, does not want to harm > the bird in the process. Any suggestions or tricks anyone has discovered? > > Jack Eitniear > San Antonio > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web > site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4403 (20090907) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: band removal thread From: John and Sue Gregoire <khmo AT EMPACC.NET> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 09:55:13 -0400 Hi everyone! Banding has been very slow here to date; was surprised to hear of Yellow Warblers still in Ontario as ours in NY have been gone for weeks and no migrants have been seen. In reading the many responses to band removal I'd like to add a few points. 1. Although using band wire is an old and reliable method, it takes two and a very fine pressure. Not recommended as we have better tools available. 2. Why bother purchasing expensive removal tools when you can make your own? A very inexpensive set of snap ring pliers can be purchased. We bought several for a couple dollars each under the Master Mechanic brand from an automotive supply store (NAPA). It's then an easy matter to file the tips down to sizes that work in a range from OA to 2 at least. We have one pair filed to very fine tips to accommodate laps. It's a simple tool, lightweight and easy to use by one person. Pf course, if you wish, you can purchase more expensive versions of the snap ring pliers but they don't work any better. 3. An old time alternative that I still use is a pair of medical hemostats, You can scounge these from your doctor or dentist and they do come in several sizes/tip functions. Best, John -- John and Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett,NY 14818-9626 Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/ "Conserve and Create Habitat" subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Metro Beach banding report - September 3, 5 & 6 From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1 AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 08:01:03 -0400 Birders and Banders, I have just posted results, highlights, and photos from banding sessions conducted on September 3, 5 & 6, 2009 at Metro Beach Metro Park, Macomb Co., Michigan on my blog. Three interesting days! Go to: http://tinyurl.com/m5vcl2 Allen T. Chartier amazilia1(at)comcast.net Inkster, Michigan, USA subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: removing bands From: Brent Ortego <brentortego AT HOTMAIL.COM> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 19:33:33 -0500 I introduced Avinet to the retainer-ring pliers with 1 mm wide (outside tip to outside tip) tips. The tool is manufactured by Chicago Tools and can be ordered through any quality hardware store. If I buy them in bulk, I can usually get them for about $15 each plus shipping. They are very good for removing hummingbird bands on the leg of the bird and can easily open bands up to 1B. I use them to start a gap in bands up to size 2 and then finish the job with larger band opening pliers. Lacking these, I have used very sharp and pointed scissors to snip the gap where the butt ends come together with success, and I have heard other banders using nail clippers to cut hummer bands if all other techniques don't work. Brent Ortego Raisin, TX > Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 14:30:02 -0400 > From: amazilia1 AT COMCAST.NET > Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] removing bandsn > To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU > > I've used this band removal tool from Avinet for years and it does work very > well, to a point. Last week I was trying to get a size 1B band off a bird > and it was a considerable struggle. This tool is simply not robust enough to > remove any band larger than size 1. Either the delicate tips will break (as > has happened to me once) or the handles themselves may break (they were > bending under the strain of trying to open the 1B band). > > Allen T. Chartier > amazilia1(at)comcast.net > Inkster, Michigan, USA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 11:19 AM > Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] removing bands > > > > > > I don't mean to be particularly obvious, but do you have a pair of band > > removal pliers? The process of removing a band with them takes only a few > > seconds and is completely harmless to everything but the smallest of birds > > (where there is very little space between the band and the bird's scales, > > which occasionally get superficially scratched). > > > > If not, you can get a pair here: > > _http://www.avinet.com/avi_order.taf?_function=view&ct_id=1_ > > (http://www.avinet.com/avi_order.taf?_function=view&ct_id=1) or at any > > other banding equipment supplier. They're under $30. > > > > Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick > > Bander-in-Charge > > Raccoon Ridge Bird Observatory > > Branchville, NJ > > _www.raccoonridgebirdobservatory.com_ > > (http://www.raccoonridgebirdobservatory.com) > > > > > > In a message dated 9/7/2009 10:55:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > jce AT CSTBINC.ORG writes: > > > > Birdbanders > > > > This was probably already addressed but worth repeating. From time to > > time > > I have occassion to remove a metal band. Especially when you have no > > assistance it is very challenging as one, of course, does not want to > > harm the > > bird in the process. Any suggestions or tricks anyone has discovered? > > > > Jack Eitniear > > San Antonio > > > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web > > site: > > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > > > > > > > > > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web > > site: > > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: removing bands thread From: Risto Juvaste <risto.juvaste AT KOLUMBUS.FI> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 23:26:06 +0300 Hi Very easy and quick way is to use *ordinary cheap Locking pliers*, *Mole grips* (*Mole wrench*) or *Vise-Grips* (they can be locked into position). You just lock them axially from the side of ring (= between the ends) and then the ring is steady and can be opened by other pliers (similar or just by normal ringing pliers or any) This is easy even when there is no space inside the ring (not even for fishimhg line). They do not hurt the leg. Risto Juvaste Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH) kirjoitti: > JACK . . . > > The fishing line trick described already by James Cracknell works. I > use the wires the bands come on rather than monofilament. > > It always helps to have one person hold the bird while you remove the > band. > > Cheers, > > BILL > > ========= > > On Sep 7, 2009, at 3:55 PM, Jack Clinton Eitniear wrote: > >> Banders >> >> If the bands are put on wrong such that they overlap you have >> virtually no room , tarsus fills everything, to insert opening >> pliers. Any options here except to get two pliers and pry the band open? >> >> Jack Eitniear >> San Antonio >> >> >> "We will be known forever by the tracks we leave" Dakota Indian Saying >> >> subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand >> web site: >> http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > > ========= > > RESEARCH PROGRAM > c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director > Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History > 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA > (803) 684-5852 > > Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): > Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at > http://www.hiltonpond.org > "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at > http://www.rubythroat.org > > ================== > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand > web site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: removing bands thread From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 16:06:09 -0400 JACK . . . The fishing line trick described already by James Cracknell works. I use the wires the bands come on rather than monofilament. It always helps to have one person hold the bird while you remove the band. Cheers, BILL ========= On Sep 7, 2009, at 3:55 PM, Jack Clinton Eitniear wrote: > Banders > > If the bands are put on wrong such that they overlap you have > virtually no room , tarsus fills everything, to insert opening > pliers. Any options here except to get two pliers and pry the band > open? > > Jack Eitniear > San Antonio > > > "We will be known forever by the tracks we leave" Dakota Indian Saying > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand > web site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm ========= RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA (803) 684-5852 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ================== subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: removing bands thread From: Jack Clinton Eitniear <jce AT CSTBINC.ORG> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 12:55:54 -0700 Banders If the bands are put on wrong such that they overlap you have virtually no room , tarsus fills everything, to insert opening pliers. Any options here except to get two pliers and pry the band open? Jack Eitniear San Antonio "We will be known forever by the tracks we leave" Dakota Indian Saying subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm