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3 Sep Hama beads as colour bands. [Michael Lancaster ] 3 Sep Hilton Pond 08/22/08 [Research at Hilton Pond ] 3 Sep Re: Steel Bands for NOCA [Kathy Klimkiewicz ] 2 Sep Re: Steel Bands for NOCA [James Cracknell ] 2 Sep [Fwd: A letter to AC Hughes for new color band size] [Anya Illes ] 2 Sep A letter to AC Hughes for new color band size [Anya Illes ] 2 Sep Advanced Bird Banding Workshop - still space [Andrew Vitz ] 2 Sep Re: Steel Bands for NOCA [Kathy Klimkiewicz ] 2 Sep Re: color band preference [] 2 Sep Re: color band preference [Jack Eitniear ] 2 Sep Re: Steel Bands for NOCA [Kathy Klimkiewicz ] 2 Sep Re: Steel Bands for NOCA [James Cracknell ] 2 Sep Re: Steel Bands for NOCA [Kathy Klimkiewicz ] 2 Sep Re: Steel Bands for NOCA [Kathy Klimkiewicz ] 30 Aug Re: Steel Bands for NOCA [MERET WILSON ] 29 Aug Re: Steel Bands for NOCA [Charlie ] 29 Aug Re: Steel Bands for NOCA ["John and Sue Gregoire ] 29 Aug Re: Steel Bands for NOCA [Michael Lancaster ] 29 Aug Hilton Pond 08/15/08 (Blue-winged Warbler) [Research at Hilton Pond ] 29 Aug Steel Bands for NOCA [MERET WILSON ] 28 Aug Re: Blue-winged Warbler Wing Chord [Michael Lancaster ] 28 Aug Blue-winged Warbler Wing Chord [Research at Hilton Pond ] 27 Aug Hilton Pond 08/01/08 [Research at Hilton Pond ] 20 Aug Meetings of interest to birders ["R.D. Everhart" ] 19 Aug Advanced Bird Banding Workshop - Corrected e-mail! [Andrew Vitz ] 14 Aug WBBA 2008 Annual Meeting [Kay Loughman ] 14 Aug New Gadget on Minnesotabirdnerd ["R.D. Everhart" ] 14 Aug New Gadget on Minnesotabirdnerd ["R.D. Everhart" ] 14 Aug New Gadget on Minnesotabirdnerd ["R.D. Everhart" ] 11 Aug Advanced Bird Banding Workshop [Andrew Vitz ] 11 Aug Re: Color banding Inca Doves [Jack Eitniear ] 9 Aug Re: Color banding Inca Doves [Mary Gustafson ] 8 Aug Hilton Pond 07/15/08 (Hummingbird Myths) [Research at Hilton Pond ] 7 Aug Re: Color banding Inca Doves [M Lancaster ] 7 Aug Re: Color banding Inca Doves [Charlie ] 6 Aug Re: Color banding Inca Doves [Jack Eitniear ] 6 Aug Re: Color banding Inca Doves [Kathy Klimkiewicz ] 6 Aug Inland Bird Banding Assoc. Meeting ["R.D. Everhart" ] 6 Aug Inland Bird Banding Assoc. Meeting ["R.D. Everhart" ] 6 Aug Inland Bird Banding Assoc. Meeting ["R.D. Everhart" ] 6 Aug IBBA 2008 Annual Meeting Information and Registration Materials [Eric Soehren ] 5 Aug List of Meetings ["R.D. Everhart" ] 5 Aug List of Meetings ["R.D. Everhart" ] 2 Aug Saturday morning banding ["R.D. Everhart" ] 2 Aug Saturday morning banding ["R.D. Everhart" ] 2 Aug Saturday morning banding ["R.D. Everhart" ] 31 Jul Beginner Bird Banding Class in Virginia [Danielle Kaschube ] 30 Jul Color banding Inca Doves [Jack Eitniear ] 28 Jul Rusty Blackbird Conference at Powdermill [Robert Mulvihill ] 26 Jul Characteristics of young birds ["R.D. Everhart" ] 26 Jul Characteristics of young birds ["R.D. Everhart" ] 26 Jul Characteristics of young birds ["R.D. Everhart" ] Subject: Hama beads as colour bands. From: Michael Lancaster <mbl.tenbel AT GOOGLEMAIL.COM> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:57:33 -0700 Two or three years ago, my attention was drawn to a posting ( either Birdband or cr-birding) by some French workers who were using Hama beads on House Sparrows. As I was about to embark on some colour banding I investigated further. I have used Hama Midi beads on House Sparrows, Blackcaps (Sylvia atricapilla) and Bobolinks. I have not banded a large number of birds but enough to satisfy myself that they stay on and are visible in the field, both by sightings and recapture. I do not seal the beads.Normal internal diameter for Midi is about 2.6-2.7 thus about 1B size - most useful!!! Midi beads are slightly 'bulkier' than 1B in overall dimensions. Hama beads are made of a soft plastic and thus are flexible to some extent, they are also amenable to stretching and thus stressing, and obtaining a slightly wider internal diameter. They can be stretched to the point that they become 'flaccid' and slightly eccentric but if they are sealed, I am sure they will be useful for a size between 3.1 and 4mm internal diameter. I do stretch them a little to fit male Bobolinks (3.1) and that is also the size I put on nestlings since there is no guarantee that smaller tarsi are females (is there?). I use BTO band removal pliers to stretch them, inserting from both sides. Experience will determine how much stretching will result in the desired final 'resting' internal diameter. I suggest that concentricity is maintained by placing stretched beads on a nail or knitting needle? of the desired (or slightly larger?) diameter. I have measured beads stretched to 3.1 after several months, and even if on nail, wire, whatever, of less than 3.1 diameter, they remain close to 3.1. Most of the time, I am using the beads just as they come - except of course cut longitudinally. They may be obtained in packs of 100 - 10,000 and are incredibly cheap. A useful pack is 1000 of 10 plain colours and will cost a few dollars. NB not all colours will be of equal number because kids prefer some colours. They do 3 sizes, Midi equates with 1B; I have no experience of Mini but have seen Maxi and these could be useful for larger birds - internal diameter 5.6mm. External diameters: Mini 2.5mm; Midi 5mm; Maxi 10mm. Hama beads can be obtained from Toys 'R' Us so should be widely available. Google brings up dozens of sites and they can be bought online. This is a useful site for getting specifics http://www.beadmerrily.co.uk/index.php?manufacturers_id=10 Barry M B Lancaster, Currently - Oliver, Canada. subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Hilton Pond 08/22/08 From: Research at Hilton Pond <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 10:26:17 -0400 The last week in August was really "big" at Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History. Our Costa Rican guide and some mutual friends came to visit; we added new bird, plant, and insect species to the yard list; a PBS documentarian shot footage of our hummingbird work; and--oh, yes--Hurricane Fay dumped drought-busting rain that overflowed the rain gauge and nearly restored Hilton Pond itself. To view our far-ranging photo essay, please visit the 22-31 August 2008 installment of "This Week at Hilton Pond" at http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek080822.html As always we provide a list of birds banded and recaptured, plus miscellaneous nature notes. This week we even include a Costa Rican's advice on how to properly brew good coffee. Happy Nature Watching! BILL -- RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA research AT hiltonpond.org, (803) 684-5852, eFax: (503) 218-0845 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ********** subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Steel Bands for NOCA From: Kathy Klimkiewicz <kklimkiewicz AT USGS.GOV> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:03:39 -0400 I'll look into this and contact the bander who gave the workshop. Will post reply later. Cheers, Kathy M. Kathleen Klimkiewicz, Biologist USGS Patuxent WRC BBL 12100 Beech Forest RD STE 4037 Laurel MD 20708-4037 301-497-5795 work Fax 301-497-5717 KKlimkiewicz AT usgs.gov Report bands: reportband.gov and get instant feedback! http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/bbl "James Cracknell" 09/02/2008 06:30 PM To "'Kathy Klimkiewicz'" cc Subject RE: [BIRDBAND] Steel Bands for NOCA Hi I?d have to disagree with his statement. However, there are many types of Stainless Steel ? each having different properties with respect to fatigue. I still believe that though you might not see problems when the band is fitted ? it might occur later. Have any tests been done where the band is checked in 12mths, 24mths and so on. Will it cause the band to open slightly after time? The web has a great deal on fatigue properties of SS ? the basic trade off with SS is the harder the band the more likely it is to have problems with metal fatigue. The softer (more annealed) it is, the more it is likely to be scratched and worn. Has anyone spoken to someone who fully understands this issue? Cheers J. From: Kathy Klimkiewicz [mailto:kklimkiewicz AT usgs.gov] Sent: 02 September 2008 17:46 To: James Cracknell Cc: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Subject: RE: [BIRDBAND] Steel Bands for NOCA According to the gentleman who gave the workshop this was not an issue with hard metal bands? He claims that, although this is a definite problem with the aluminum alloy bands, it is not the case with hard metal bands. Cheers, Kathy M. Kathleen Klimkiewicz, Biologist USGS Patuxent WRC BBL 12100 Beech Forest RD STE 4037 Laurel MD 20708-4037 301-497-5795 work Fax 301-497-5717 KKlimkiewicz AT usgs.gov Report bands: reportband.gov and get instant feedback! http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/bbl "James Cracknell" 09/02/2008 12:21 PM To "'Kathy Klimkiewicz'" , cc Subject RE: [BIRDBAND] Steel Bands for NOCA Kathy The only thing to add is if people use bands for practice, then putting them on birds later risks metal fatigue and weakening the band (thus raising bird welfare issues). Of course my suggestion would be sourcing from Porzana and using their pliers! J. -----Original Message----- From: Bird Bander's Forum [mailto:BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On Behalf Of Kathy Klimkiewicz Sent: 02 September 2008 16:01 To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] Steel Bands for NOCA Another suggestion that was made at the EBBA meeting is to practice, practice, practice! You can open and close the hard metal bands over and over without running the band. At the meeting the presentor used small wooden dowells the size closest to the band size and practiced closing them on the dowell. Then you can slip it over the end and open it again etc. etc. etc. One thing that is very clear with sizes above 1A is that it does take a lot of strength to open and close these bands. Some of the tern banders have had band retention problems probably due to lack of strength of the persons closing the bands. It does take a lot of hand strength. Cheers, Kathy M. Kathleen Klimkiewicz, Biologist USGS Patuxent WRC BBL 12100 Beech Forest RD STE 4037 Laurel MD 20708-4037 301-497-5795 work Fax 301-497-5717 KKlimkiewicz AT usgs.gov Report bands: reportband.gov and get instant feedback! http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/bbl "John and Sue Gregoire " Sent by: Bird Bander's Forum 08/29/2008 05:50 PM Please respond to khmo AT att.net To BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU cc Subject Re: [BIRDBAND] Steel Bands for NOCA I believe the devices mentioned are called "internal or external retaining rings" in the US. One can easily find such pliers at any auto store chain. They'll probably be Made in China however and some of those are pretty flimsy/cheap! That said, we prefer a good pair of the proper size needle nosed pliers. I use those on the SS2s as well. We have some domestic light and also some heavier duty ones that we've used for about 25 years now. The heavy duty set comes with a selection of attachments and you could find one that will fit the SS 1As. On the lighter set, we've filed down the tips very fine and use them to remove bands as they will slip gently between tarsus and band for most small sizes. It's much more expensive for the BBL to provide pre-opened bands and that's why we get to struggle. I'm still using some experimental British manufactured hard bands that were indeed pre-opened and love them - but we're running out. Use the BTO pliers on the third hole to close SS1As then turn the band a quarter turn and do it again or gently apply pressure using the 2 hole. You should get a clean closure. However Meret, it will still take a strong hand/wrist to open the band with any of these tools. If you can get them you can also use SS forceps but they don't have the reverse action of the retaining ring pliers. Best, John -- John & Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett, NY 14818-9626 "Conserve & Create HABITAT" http://home.att.net/~kestrelhaven/ subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htmMeret et al, I suggest that you take yourselves off to Canadian Tyre (or the US equivalent) and take a band with you. Then find a pair of what I, as 'Brit', call 'circlip pliers'. These are in fact almost identical to the band opening pliers that are supplied by the BTO(UK) but come in various sizes depending on the size of the circlip( which are made of stainless steel, or at least steel) The band opening pliers supplied by the BTO might even do the job. Frankly, it makes commonsense to supply these particular bands already open. Closing them will be enough of a problem. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "MERET WILSON" To: Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:17 AM Subject: [BIRDBAND] Steel Bands for NOCA I took Kathy K's suggestion and tried several ways to try to get open the stainless steal bands for my NOCA. I am having no luck at finding a decent way of opening them. They flip every which way, bend open at weird angles. And now my post is also broken off, happening before I had read about others having problems. Did anyone come up with a good solution besides going back to aluminum for NOCA??? Any info would be greatly appreciated! Meret WilsonOrmond Beach, FL _________________________________________________________________ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Phot o_Gallery_082008 subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3405 (20080901) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. part000.txt - is OK http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3405 (20080901) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. Email message - is OK Email message - is OK http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3409 (20080902) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. Email message - is OK Email message - is OK http://www.eset.com subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Steel Bands for NOCA From: James Cracknell <james AT JCRACKNELL.CO.UK> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 23:30:47 +0100 Hi I'd have to disagree with his statement. However, there are many types of Stainless Steel - each having different properties with respect to fatigue. I still believe that though you might not see problems when the band is fitted - it might occur later. Have any tests been done where the band is checked in 12mths, 24mths and so on. Will it cause the band to open slightly after time? The web has a great deal on fatigue properties of SS - the basic trade off with SS is the harder the band the more likely it is to have problems with metal fatigue. The softer (more annealed) it is, the more it is likely to be scratched and worn. Has anyone spoken to someone who fully understands this issue? Cheers J. From: Kathy Klimkiewicz [mailto:kklimkiewicz AT usgs.gov] Sent: 02 September 2008 17:46 To: James Cracknell Cc: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Subject: RE: [BIRDBAND] Steel Bands for NOCA According to the gentleman who gave the workshop this was not an issue with hard metal bands? He claims that, although this is a definite problem with the aluminum alloy bands, it is not the case with hard metal bands. Cheers, Kathy M. Kathleen Klimkiewicz, Biologist USGS Patuxent WRC BBL 12100 Beech Forest RD STE 4037 Laurel MD 20708-4037 301-497-5795 work Fax 301-497-5717 KKlimkiewicz AT usgs.gov Report bands: reportband.gov and get instant feedback! http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/bbl "James Cracknell" 09/02/2008 12:21 PM To "'Kathy Klimkiewicz'" , cc Subject RE: [BIRDBAND] Steel Bands for NOCA Kathy The only thing to add is if people use bands for practice, then putting them on birds later risks metal fatigue and weakening the band (thus raising bird welfare issues). Of course my suggestion would be sourcing from Porzana and using their pliers! J. -----Original Message----- From: Bird Bander's Forum [mailto:BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On Behalf Of Kathy Klimkiewicz Sent: 02 September 2008 16:01 To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] Steel Bands for NOCA Another suggestion that was made at the EBBA meeting is to practice, practice, practice! You can open and close the hard metal bands over and over without running the band. At the meeting the presentor used small wooden dowells the size closest to the band size and practiced closing them on the dowell. Then you can slip it over the end and open it again etc. etc. etc. One thing that is very clear with sizes above 1A is that it does take a lot of strength to open and close these bands. Some of the tern banders have had band retention problems probably due to lack of strength of the persons closing the bands. It does take a lot of hand strength. Cheers, Kathy M. Kathleen Klimkiewicz, Biologist USGS Patuxent WRC BBL 12100 Beech Forest RD STE 4037 Laurel MD 20708-4037 301-497-5795 work Fax 301-497-5717 KKlimkiewicz AT usgs.gov Report bands: reportband.gov and get instant feedback! http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/bbl "John and Sue Gregoire " Sent by: Bird Bander's Forum 08/29/2008 05:50 PM Please respond to khmo AT att.net To BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU cc Subject Re: [BIRDBAND] Steel Bands for NOCA I believe the devices mentioned are called "internal or external retaining rings" in the US. One can easily find such pliers at any auto store chain. They'll probably be Made in China however and some of those are pretty flimsy/cheap! That said, we prefer a good pair of the proper size needle nosed pliers. I use those on the SS2s as well. We have some domestic light and also some heavier duty ones that we've used for about 25 years now. The heavy duty set comes with a selection of attachments and you could find one that will fit the SS 1As. On the lighter set, we've filed down the tips very fine and use them to remove bands as they will slip gently between tarsus and band for most small sizes. It's much more expensive for the BBL to provide pre-opened bands and that's why we get to struggle. I'm still using some experimental British manufactured hard bands that were indeed pre-opened and love them - but we're running out. Use the BTO pliers on the third hole to close SS1As then turn the band a quarter turn and do it again or gently apply pressure using the 2 hole. You should get a clean closure. However Meret, it will still take a strong hand/wrist to open the band with any of these tools. If you can get them you can also use SS forceps but they don't have the reverse action of the retaining ring pliers. Best, John -- John & Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett, NY 14818-9626 "Conserve & Create HABITAT" http://home.att.net/~kestrelhaven/ subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htmMeret et al, I suggest that you take yourselves off to Canadian Tyre (or the US equivalent) and take a band with you. Then find a pair of what I, as 'Brit', call 'circlip pliers'. These are in fact almost identical to the band opening pliers that are supplied by the BTO(UK) but come in various sizes depending on the size of the circlip( which are made of stainless steel, or at least steel) The band opening pliers supplied by the BTO might even do the job. Frankly, it makes commonsense to supply these particular bands already open. Closing them will be enough of a problem. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "MERET WILSON" To: Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:17 AM Subject: [BIRDBAND] Steel Bands for NOCA I took Kathy K's suggestion and tried several ways to try to get open the stainless steal bands for my NOCA. I am having no luck at finding a decent way of opening them. They flip every which way, bend open at weird angles. And now my post is also broken off, happening before I had read about others having problems. Did anyone come up with a good solution besides going back to aluminum for NOCA??? Any info would be greatly appreciated! Meret WilsonOrmond Beach, FL _________________________________________________________________ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Phot o_Gallery_082008 subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3405 (20080901) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. part000.txt - is OK http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3405 (20080901) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. Email message - is OK Email message - is OK http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3409 (20080902) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. Email message - is OK Email message - is OK http://www.eset.com subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: [Fwd: A letter to AC Hughes for new color band size] From: Anya Illes <ailles AT U.WASHINGTON.EDU> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:52:32 -0600 I left off the email address: sales AT achughes.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: A letter to AC Hughes for new color band size Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:49:33 -0600 From: Anya Illes To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Hello All, Once yearly for a few years now I've written to AC Hughes PLEADING to them to make a color band that would fit 25 - 45g birds, such as medium to larger sized sparrows, towhees or orioles. This is also around the size of a US Federal size 1D, or in other words, somewhere in between 3.1 and 4.0 mm internal diameter. This would be a band that would be larger than Darvic XCL (3.1mm) and smaller than Darvic XB (the putative 4.0mm, but which I often find to be larger than that! The size gap is getting ridiculous!). If any of you have similar feelings, it would be fantastic if we could let them know collectively that there would be a market for such a band. Please forward the letter below (or write one of your own) if you feel like supporting the cause. Otherwise, disregard. I know this is an ongoing crusade for those of us who band birds of such a size, and that many of you have found your own personal solutions, but once a year I figure I'll just give this a shot. Maybe one day they'll listen. Thank you, Anya Illes Frequent color-bander of Central American and Mexican /Aimophila /sparrows _____________________________________________________________________________________ To the management at AC Hughes, I frequently use your colored plastic rings for marking birds, and for the most part am very happy with your product. Thank you for supplying the bird-ringing community with a much-needed resource. However, I write to encourage you to make a new ring size. I would have great use for a color ring that falls somewhere in between your XCL (3.1 mm internal diameter) and XB (4.0 mm) sizes. Perhaps 3.5 -3.7 mm (*or insert your preferred size*). Your array of rings for smaller birds span a wide variety of sizes, except for in this range. The .9mm gap in between the XCL and XB is the largest size gap in this category. It poses a great problem for those of us wishing to band 25 - 45g birds. For many species of birds, there is simply no colored plastic ring that will fit. The XCL is unacceptably tight, and the XB is dangerously large. Thank you very much for your time, and I assure you that if you were to make such a product, that I would become a long-term or high quantity purchaser. Best regards, *sign here.* subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: A letter to AC Hughes for new color band size From: Anya Illes <ailles AT U.WASHINGTON.EDU> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:49:33 -0600 Hello All, Once yearly for a few years now I've written to AC Hughes PLEADING to them to make a color band that would fit 25 - 45g birds, such as medium to larger sized sparrows, towhees or orioles. This is also around the size of a US Federal size 1D, or in other words, somewhere in between 3.1 and 4.0 mm internal diameter. This would be a band that would be larger than Darvic XCL (3.1mm) and smaller than Darvic XB (the putative 4.0mm, but which I often find to be larger than that! The size gap is getting ridiculous!). If any of you have similar feelings, it would be fantastic if we could let them know collectively that there would be a market for such a band. Please forward the letter below (or write one of your own) if you feel like supporting the cause. Otherwise, disregard. I know this is an ongoing crusade for those of us who band birds of such a size, and that many of you have found your own personal solutions, but once a year I figure I'll just give this a shot. Maybe one day they'll listen. Thank you, Anya Illes Frequent color-bander of Central American and Mexican /Aimophila /sparrows _____________________________________________________________________________________ To the management at AC Hughes, I frequently use your colored plastic rings for marking birds, and for the most part am very happy with your product. Thank you for supplying the bird-ringing community with a much-needed resource. However, I write to encourage you to make a new ring size. I would have great use for a color ring that falls somewhere in between your XCL (3.1 mm internal diameter) and XB (4.0 mm) sizes. Perhaps 3.5 -3.7 mm (*or insert your preferred size*). Your array of rings for smaller birds span a wide variety of sizes, except for in this range. The .9mm gap in between the XCL and XB is the largest size gap in this category. It poses a great problem for those of us wishing to band 25 - 45g birds. For many species of birds, there is simply no colored plastic ring that will fit. The XCL is unacceptably tight, and the XB is dangerously large. Thank you very much for your time, and I assure you that if you were to make such a product, that I would become a long-term or high quantity purchaser. Best regards, *sign here.* subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Advanced Bird Banding Workshop - still space From: Andrew Vitz <acvitz AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:09:53 -0700 Advanced Bird Banding Workshop: We still have 2 openings for the banding workshop at the Powdermill Nature Reserve in the beautiful mountains of western Pennsylvania. This workshop will run from September 23-28. Participants will arrive on Tuesday evening (23rd) and depart on Sunday afternoon (28th). This will allow for 5 full days (weather permitting) of bird banding. Participants in this workshop are expected to already be comfortable extracting birds from mist-nets, and the focus will be on the aging and sexing of passerines (using molt limits, plumage, iris color, and skull pneumatization). The majority of time will be spent in the field with live birds; however, these sessions will be complemented with some afternoon or evening presentations. The workshop costs $500 per person and on site lodging (with kitchen) is included. If you are interested in the workshop or would like additional details please contact Dr. Andrew Vitz (acvitz AT yahoo.com). subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Steel Bands for NOCA From: Kathy Klimkiewicz <kklimkiewicz AT USGS.GOV> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 14:08:54 -0400 Hi Meret -- Am putting this to the Bird Band list also so that folks don't panic. Your information about the 1B bands is not correct. We have them in aluminum and hard metal. There are no plans to discontinue aluminum in 1B. We have a lot of sizes in hard metal and the 1B is that way for the shorebird and petrel banders. Hope this helps clear up this misunderstanding. Cheers, Kathy M. Kathleen Klimkiewicz, Biologist USGS Patuxent WRC BBL 12100 Beech Forest RD STE 4037 Laurel MD 20708-4037 301-497-5795 work Fax 301-497-5717 KKlimkiewicz AT usgs.gov Report bands: reportband.gov and get instant feedback! http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/bbl MERET WILSON Sent by: Bird Bander's Forum 08/30/2008 02:21 PM Please respond to MERET WILSON To BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU cc Subject Re: [BIRDBAND] Steel Bands for NOCA Thanks to all of you for your great responses. I have tried some of your suggestions without too much success and John G hit on one good point. I do NOT have a lot of strength in my hands. I have tried the reverse tool for removing bands (which I find very trying when getting off a heavily bird-beak closed band). The one from the US doesn't work well for me at all. I am going to head out to some auto part stores etc and see if anyone has what some of you recommended. Any other suggestions will be welcomed...and it is VERY discouraging to hear that the 1Bs are now SS. Meret Wilson Ormond Beach, FL> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:50:56 +0000> From: khmo AT ATT.NET> Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] Steel Bands for NOCA> To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU> > I believe the devices mentioned are called "internal or external retaining rings" in the US. One can easily find such pliers at any auto store chain. They'll probably be Made in China however and some of those are pretty flimsy/cheap! That said, we prefer a good pair of the proper size needle nosed pliers. I use those on the SS2s as well.> > We have some domestic light and also some heavier duty ones that we've used for about 25 years now. The heavy duty set comes with a selection of attachments and you could find one that will fit the SS 1As. On the lighter set, we've filed down the tips very fine and use them to remove bands as they will slip gently between tarsus and band for most small sizes.> > It's much more expensive for the BBL to provide pre-opened bands and that's why we get to struggle. I'm still using some experimental British manufactured hard bands that were indeed pre-opened and love them - but we're running out.> > Use the BTO pliers on the third hole to close SS1As then turn the band a quarter turn and do it again or gently apply pressure using the 2 hole. You should get a clean closure.> > However Meret, it will still take a strong hand/wrist to open the band with any of these tools. If you can get them you can also use SS forceps but they don't have the reverse action of the retaining ring pliers.> > Best,> John> --> John & Sue Gregoire > Field Ornithologists > Kestrel Haven Avian Migration > Observatory > 5373 Fitzgerald Road > Burdett, NY 14818-9626 > "Conserve & Create HABITAT" > http://home.att.net/~kestrelhaven/ > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site:> http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm _________________________________________________________________ Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be?learn how to burn a DVD with Windows®. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/ subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: color band preference From: mamcdona AT FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:17:10 -0500 Dave DeSante, in the late 1970's, thought he was seeing some mate choice based on color bands in Spotted Towhees, I think. Mara >Several papers have been published indicating that the color of bands impacts >mate choice in certain estrilidid finches. Apparently this only happens where >color plays an important role in mate choice. >Does anyone have knowledge of such a response in any of our native passerines >that use color for mate choice? > >Jack Eitniear >San Antonio > > >subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: >http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm -- Mara McDonald, Ph.D. Assistant Administrator Laboratory of Genetics, and The Evolution Initiative 425-G Henry Mall Rm 1436 University of Wisconsin Madison WI 53706-1580 608-263-8941 (tel) 608-262-2976 (FAX) mamcdona AT wisc.edu http://www.evolution.wisc.edu Biocore Prairie Bird Observatory http://waa.uwalumni.com/lakeshorepreserve/birdbanding.html subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: color band preference From: Jack Eitniear <jce AT CSTBINC.ORG> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 10:10:08 -0700 Several papers have been published indicating that the color of bands impacts mate choice in certain estrilidid finches. Apparently this only happens where color plays an important role in mate choice. Does anyone have knowledge of such a response in any of our native passerines that use color for mate choice? Jack Eitniear San Antonio subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Steel Bands for NOCA From: Kathy Klimkiewicz <kklimkiewicz AT USGS.GOV> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:46:03 -0400 According to the gentleman who gave the workshop this was not an issue with hard metal bands? He claims that, although this is a definite problem with the aluminum alloy bands, it is not the case with hard metal bands. Cheers, Kathy M. Kathleen Klimkiewicz, Biologist USGS Patuxent WRC BBL 12100 Beech Forest RD STE 4037 Laurel MD 20708-4037 301-497-5795 work Fax 301-497-5717 KKlimkiewicz AT usgs.gov Report bands: reportband.gov and get instant feedback! http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/bbl "James Cracknell" 09/02/2008 12:21 PM To "'Kathy Klimkiewicz'" , cc Subject RE: [BIRDBAND] Steel Bands for NOCA Kathy The only thing to add is if people use bands for practice, then putting them on birds later risks metal fatigue and weakening the band (thus raising bird welfare issues). Of course my suggestion would be sourcing from Porzana and using their pliers! J. -----Original Message----- From: Bird Bander's Forum [mailto:BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On Behalf Of Kathy Klimkiewicz Sent: 02 September 2008 16:01 To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] Steel Bands for NOCA Another suggestion that was made at the EBBA meeting is to practice, practice, practice! You can open and close the hard metal bands over and over without running the band. At the meeting the presentor used small wooden dowells the size closest to the band size and practiced closing them on the dowell. Then you can slip it over the end and open it again etc. etc. etc. One thing that is very clear with sizes above 1A is that it does take a lot of strength to open and close these bands. Some of the tern banders have had band retention problems probably due to lack of strength of the persons closing the bands. It does take a lot of hand strength. Cheers, Kathy M. Kathleen Klimkiewicz, Biologist USGS Patuxent WRC BBL 12100 Beech Forest RD STE 4037 Laurel MD 20708-4037 301-497-5795 work Fax 301-497-5717 KKlimkiewicz AT usgs.gov Report bands: reportband.gov and get instant feedback! http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/bbl "John and Sue Gregoire " Sent by: Bird Bander's Forum 08/29/2008 05:50 PM Please respond to khmo AT att.net To BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU cc Subject Re: [BIRDBAND] Steel Bands for NOCA I believe the devices mentioned are called "internal or external retaining rings" in the US. One can easily find such pliers at any auto store chain. They'll probably be Made in China however and some of those are pretty flimsy/cheap! That said, we prefer a good pair of the proper size needle nosed pliers. I use those on the SS2s as well. We have some domestic light and also some heavier duty ones that we've used for about 25 years now. The heavy duty set comes with a selection of attachments and you could find one that will fit the SS 1As. On the lighter set, we've filed down the tips very fine and use them to remove bands as they will slip gently between tarsus and band for most small sizes. It's much more expensive for the BBL to provide pre-opened bands and that's why we get to struggle. I'm still using some experimental British manufactured hard bands that were indeed pre-opened and love them - but we're running out. Use the BTO pliers on the third hole to close SS1As then turn the band a quarter turn and do it again or gently apply pressure using the 2 hole. You should get a clean closure. However Meret, it will still take a strong hand/wrist to open the band with any of these tools. If you can get them you can also use SS forceps but they don't have the reverse action of the retaining ring pliers. Best, John -- John & Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett, NY 14818-9626 "Conserve & Create HABITAT" http://home.att.net/~kestrelhaven/ subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htmMeret et al, I suggest that you take yourselves off to Canadian Tyre (or the US equivalent) and take a band with you. Then find a pair of what I, as 'Brit', call 'circlip pliers'. These are in fact almost identical to the band opening pliers that are supplied by the BTO(UK) but come in various sizes depending on the size of the circlip( which are made of stainless steel, or at least steel) The band opening pliers supplied by the BTO might even do the job. Frankly, it makes commonsense to supply these particular bands already open. Closing them will be enough of a problem. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "MERET WILSON" To: Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:17 AM Subject: [BIRDBAND] Steel Bands for NOCA I took Kathy K's suggestion and tried several ways to try to get open the stainless steal bands for my NOCA. I am having no luck at finding a decent way of opening them. They flip every which way, bend open at weird angles. And now my post is also broken off, happening before I had read about others having problems. Did anyone come up with a good solution besides going back to aluminum for NOCA??? Any info would be greatly appreciated! Meret WilsonOrmond Beach, FL _________________________________________________________________ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Phot o_Gallery_082008 subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3405 (20080901) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. part000.txt - is OK http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3405 (20080901) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. Email message - is OK Email message - is OK http://www.eset.com subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Steel Bands for NOCA From: James Cracknell <james AT JCRACKNELL.CO.UK> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 17:21:11 +0100 Kathy The only thing to add is if people use bands for practice, then putting them on birds later risks metal fatigue and weakening the band (thus raising bird welfare issues). Of course my suggestion would be sourcing from Porzana and using their pliers! J. -----Original Message----- From: Bird Bander's Forum [mailto:BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On Behalf Of Kathy Klimkiewicz Sent: 02 September 2008 16:01 To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] Steel Bands for NOCA Another suggestion that was made at the EBBA meeting is to practice, practice, practice! You can open and close the hard metal bands over and over without running the band. At the meeting the presentor used small wooden dowells the size closest to the band size and practiced closing them on the dowell. Then you can slip it over the end and open it again etc. etc. etc. One thing that is very clear with sizes above 1A is that it does take a lot of strength to open and close these bands. Some of the tern banders have had band retention problems probably due to lack of strength of the persons closing the bands. It does take a lot of hand strength. Cheers, Kathy M. Kathleen Klimkiewicz, Biologist USGS Patuxent WRC BBL 12100 Beech Forest RD STE 4037 Laurel MD 20708-4037 301-497-5795 work Fax 301-497-5717 KKlimkiewicz AT usgs.gov Report bands: reportband.gov and get instant feedback! http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/bbl "John and Sue Gregoire " Sent by: Bird Bander's Forum 08/29/2008 05:50 PM Please respond to khmo AT att.net To BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU cc Subject Re: [BIRDBAND] Steel Bands for NOCA I believe the devices mentioned are called "internal or external retaining rings" in the US. One can easily find such pliers at any auto store chain. They'll probably be Made in China however and some of those are pretty flimsy/cheap! That said, we prefer a good pair of the proper size needle nosed pliers. I use those on the SS2s as well. We have some domestic light and also some heavier duty ones that we've used for about 25 years now. The heavy duty set comes with a selection of attachments and you could find one that will fit the SS 1As. On the lighter set, we've filed down the tips very fine and use them to remove bands as they will slip gently between tarsus and band for most small sizes. It's much more expensive for the BBL to provide pre-opened bands and that's why we get to struggle. I'm still using some experimental British manufactured hard bands that were indeed pre-opened and love them - but we're running out. Use the BTO pliers on the third hole to close SS1As then turn the band a quarter turn and do it again or gently apply pressure using the 2 hole. You should get a clean closure. However Meret, it will still take a strong hand/wrist to open the band with any of these tools. If you can get them you can also use SS forceps but they don't have the reverse action of the retaining ring pliers. Best, John -- John & Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett, NY 14818-9626 "Conserve & Create HABITAT" http://home.att.net/~kestrelhaven/ subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htmMeret et al, I suggest that you take yourselves off to Canadian Tyre (or the US equivalent) and take a band with you. Then find a pair of what I, as 'Brit', call 'circlip pliers'. These are in fact almost identical to the band opening pliers that are supplied by the BTO(UK) but come in various sizes depending on the size of the circlip( which are made of stainless steel, or at least steel) The band opening pliers supplied by the BTO might even do the job. Frankly, it makes commonsense to supply these particular bands already open. Closing them will be enough of a problem. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "MERET WILSON" To: Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:17 AM Subject: [BIRDBAND] Steel Bands for NOCA I took Kathy K's suggestion and tried several ways to try to get open the stainless steal bands for my NOCA. I am having no luck at finding a decent way of opening them. They flip every which way, bend open at weird angles. And now my post is also broken off, happening before I had read about others having problems. Did anyone come up with a good solution besides going back to aluminum for NOCA??? Any info would be greatly appreciated! Meret WilsonOrmond Beach, FL _________________________________________________________________ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Phot o_Gallery_082008 subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3405 (20080901) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. part000.txt - is OK http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3405 (20080901) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. Email message - is OK Email message - is OK http://www.eset.com subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Steel Bands for NOCA From: Kathy Klimkiewicz <kklimkiewicz AT USGS.GOV> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:00:48 -0400 Another suggestion that was made at the EBBA meeting is to practice, practice, practice! You can open and close the hard metal bands over and over without running the band. At the meeting the presentor used small wooden dowells the size closest to the band size and practiced closing them on the dowell. Then you can slip it over the end and open it again etc. etc. etc. One thing that is very clear with sizes above 1A is that it does take a lot of strength to open and close these bands. Some of the tern banders have had band retention problems probably due to lack of strength of the persons closing the bands. It does take a lot of hand strength. Cheers, Kathy M. Kathleen Klimkiewicz, Biologist USGS Patuxent WRC BBL 12100 Beech Forest RD STE 4037 Laurel MD 20708-4037 301-497-5795 work Fax 301-497-5717 KKlimkiewicz AT usgs.gov Report bands: reportband.gov and get instant feedback! http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/bbl "John and Sue Gregoire " Sent by: Bird Bander's Forum 08/29/2008 05:50 PM Please respond to khmo AT att.net To BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU cc Subject Re: [BIRDBAND] Steel Bands for NOCA I believe the devices mentioned are called "internal or external retaining rings" in the US. One can easily find such pliers at any auto store chain. They'll probably be Made in China however and some of those are pretty flimsy/cheap! That said, we prefer a good pair of the proper size needle nosed pliers. I use those on the SS2s as well. We have some domestic light and also some heavier duty ones that we've used for about 25 years now. The heavy duty set comes with a selection of attachments and you could find one that will fit the SS 1As. On the lighter set, we've filed down the tips very fine and use them to remove bands as they will slip gently between tarsus and band for most small sizes. It's much more expensive for the BBL to provide pre-opened bands and that's why we get to struggle. I'm still using some experimental British manufactured hard bands that were indeed pre-opened and love them - but we're running out. Use the BTO pliers on the third hole to close SS1As then turn the band a quarter turn and do it again or gently apply pressure using the 2 hole. You should get a clean closure. However Meret, it will still take a strong hand/wrist to open the band with any of these tools. If you can get them you can also use SS forceps but they don't have the reverse action of the retaining ring pliers. Best, John -- John & Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett, NY 14818-9626 "Conserve & Create HABITAT" http://home.att.net/~kestrelhaven/ subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htmMeret et al, I suggest that you take yourselves off to Canadian Tyre (or the US equivalent) and take a band with you. Then find a pair of what I, as 'Brit', call 'circlip pliers'. These are in fact almost identical to the band opening pliers that are supplied by the BTO(UK) but come in various sizes depending on the size of the circlip( which are made of stainless steel, or at least steel) The band opening pliers supplied by the BTO might even do the job. Frankly, it makes commonsense to supply these particular bands already open. Closing them will be enough of a problem. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "MERET WILSON" To: Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:17 AM Subject: [BIRDBAND] Steel Bands for NOCA I took Kathy K's suggestion and tried several ways to try to get open the stainless steal bands for my NOCA. I am having no luck at finding a decent way of opening them. They flip every which way, bend open at weird angles. And now my post is also broken off, happening before I had read about others having problems. Did anyone come up with a good solution besides going back to aluminum for NOCA??? Any info would be greatly appreciated! Meret WilsonOrmond Beach, FL _________________________________________________________________ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Photo_Gallery_082008 subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Steel Bands for NOCA From: Kathy Klimkiewicz <kklimkiewicz AT USGS.GOV> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:49:14 -0400 Please try small needle nose pliers or something similar. You will have to open one end and then the other if they are not small enough. There was a workshop at the EBBA meeting on opening and closing incoloy bands. NOCA is a species that should have hard metal bands as they can remove bands or, worse, mutilate the band to the point that it injuries the leg. Anyone who has suggestions, please reply to the list so we all benefit. Thanks. Cheers, Kathy M. Kathleen Klimkiewicz, Biologist USGS Patuxent WRC BBL 12100 Beech Forest RD STE 4037 Laurel MD 20708-4037 301-497-5795 work Fax 301-497-5717 KKlimkiewicz AT usgs.gov Report bands: reportband.gov and get instant feedback! http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/bbl MERET WILSON Sent by: Bird Bander's Forum 08/29/2008 02:17 PM Please respond to MERET WILSON To BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU cc Subject [BIRDBAND] Steel Bands for NOCA I took Kathy K's suggestion and tried several ways to try to get open the stainless steal bands for my NOCA. I am having no luck at finding a decent way of opening them. They flip every which way, bend open at weird angles. And now my post is also broken off, happening before I had read about others having problems. Did anyone come up with a good solution besides going back to aluminum for NOCA??? Any info would be greatly appreciated! Meret WilsonOrmond Beach, FL _________________________________________________________________ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Photo_Gallery_082008 subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Steel Bands for NOCA From: MERET WILSON <wilsonsplover AT HOTMAIL.COM> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:21:48 -0400 Thanks to all of you for your great responses. I have tried some of your suggestions without too much success and John G hit on one good point. I do NOT have a lot of strength in my hands. I have tried the reverse tool for removing bands (which I find very trying when getting off a heavily bird-beak closed band). The one from the US doesn't work well for me at all. I am going to head out to some auto part stores etc and see if anyone has what some of you recommended. Any other suggestions will be welcomed...and it is VERY discouraging to hear that the 1Bs are now SS. Meret Wilson Ormond Beach, FL> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:50:56 +0000> From: khmo AT ATT.NET> Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] Steel Bands for NOCA> To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU> > I believe the devices mentioned are called "internal or external retaining rings" in the US. One can easily find such pliers at any auto store chain. They'll probably be Made in China however and some of those are pretty flimsy/cheap! That said, we prefer a good pair of the proper size needle nosed pliers. I use those on the SS2s as well.> > We have some domestic light and also some heavier duty ones that we've used for about 25 years now. The heavy duty set comes with a selection of attachments and you could find one that will fit the SS 1As. On the lighter set, we've filed down the tips very fine and use them to remove bands as they will slip gently between tarsus and band for most small sizes.> > It's much more expensive for the BBL to provide pre-opened bands and that's why we get to struggle. I'm still using some experimental British manufactured hard bands that were indeed pre-opened and love them - but we're running out.> > Use the BTO pliers on the third hole to close SS1As then turn the band a quarter turn and do it again or gently apply pressure using the 2 hole. You should get a clean closure.> > However Meret, it will still take a strong hand/wrist to open the band with any of these tools. If you can get them you can also use SS forceps but they don't have the reverse action of the retaining ring pliers.> > Best,> John> --> John & Sue Gregoire > Field Ornithologists > Kestrel Haven Avian Migration > Observatory > 5373 Fitzgerald Road > Burdett, NY 14818-9626 > "Conserve & Create HABITAT" > http://home.att.net/~kestrelhaven/ > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site:> http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm _________________________________________________________________ Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be—learn how to burn a DVD with Windows®. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/ subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Steel Bands for NOCA From: Charlie <cmmbirds AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:37:50 -0700 I use steel bands for Loggerhead Shrike (Lanius ludovicianus). About 6 years ago I stopped using the post on my pliers for anything bigger than size 1C (when I had those). I instead have 2 different "band opener" devices. I think I bought one from BTO and the other from AFO. They are both good, but are 2 different sizes. I always open a band part-way, then flip it over and finish opening it. I found that if I just open it all the way on one side, it doesn't close evenly - one side of the butt-ends comes together, leaving a gap at the other side. One nice thing about this using this tool instead of the posts on banding pliers is that when things get cranking very fast, and I have adequate help, I can have a person open one bands for me. This person sits across the table, so if (when) a band is dropped, it's onto the table between us. It's especially good when we have many birds of the same species, such as Indigo Buntings. Charlie Muise Lamar County, GA --- On Fri, 8/29/08, MERET WILSON wrote: > From: MERET WILSON > Subject: [BIRDBAND] Steel Bands for NOCA > To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU > Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 2:17 PM > I took Kathy K's suggestion and tried several ways to > try to get open the stainless steal bands for my NOCA. I am > having no luck at finding a decent way of opening them. > They flip every which way, bend open at weird angles. And > now my post is also broken off, happening before I had read > about others having problems. Did anyone come up with a > good solution besides going back to aluminum for NOCA??? > Any info would be greatly appreciated! Meret WilsonOrmond > Beach, FL > _________________________________________________________________ > Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new > ways to share. > http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Photo_Gallery_082008 > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the > BirdBand web site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Steel Bands for NOCA From: "John and Sue Gregoire <khmo AT att.net>" Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:50:56 +0000 I believe the devices mentioned are called "internal or external retaining rings" in the US. One can easily find such pliers at any auto store chain. They'll probably be Made in China however and some of those are pretty flimsy/cheap! That said, we prefer a good pair of the proper size needle nosed pliers. I use those on the SS2s as well. We have some domestic light and also some heavier duty ones that we've used for about 25 years now. The heavy duty set comes with a selection of attachments and you could find one that will fit the SS 1As. On the lighter set, we've filed down the tips very fine and use them to remove bands as they will slip gently between tarsus and band for most small sizes. It's much more expensive for the BBL to provide pre-opened bands and that's why we get to struggle. I'm still using some experimental British manufactured hard bands that were indeed pre-opened and love them - but we're running out. Use the BTO pliers on the third hole to close SS1As then turn the band a quarter turn and do it again or gently apply pressure using the 2 hole. You should get a clean closure. However Meret, it will still take a strong hand/wrist to open the band with any of these tools. If you can get them you can also use SS forceps but they don't have the reverse action of the retaining ring pliers. Best, John -- John & Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett, NY 14818-9626 "Conserve & Create HABITAT" http://home.att.net/~kestrelhaven/ subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htmMeret et al, I suggest that you take yourselves off to Canadian Tyre (or the US equivalent) and take a band with you. Then find a pair of what I, as 'Brit', call 'circlip pliers'. These are in fact almost identical to the band opening pliers that are supplied by the BTO(UK) but come in various sizes depending on the size of the circlip( which are made of stainless steel, or at least steel) The band opening pliers supplied by the BTO might even do the job. Frankly, it makes commonsense to supply these particular bands already open. Closing them will be enough of a problem. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "MERET WILSON" To: Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:17 AM Subject: [BIRDBAND] Steel Bands for NOCA I took Kathy K's suggestion and tried several ways to try to get open the stainless steal bands for my NOCA. I am having no luck at finding a decent way of opening them. They flip every which way, bend open at weird angles. And now my post is also broken off, happening before I had read about others having problems. Did anyone come up with a good solution besides going back to aluminum for NOCA??? Any info would be greatly appreciated! Meret WilsonOrmond Beach, FL _________________________________________________________________ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Photo_Gallery_082008 subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Steel Bands for NOCA From: Michael Lancaster <mbl.tenbel AT GOOGLEMAIL.COM> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:51:34 -0700 Meret et al, I suggest that you take yourselves off to Canadian Tyre (or the US equivalent) and take a band with you. Then find a pair of what I, as 'Brit', call 'circlip pliers'. These are in fact almost identical to the band opening pliers that are supplied by the BTO(UK) but come in various sizes depending on the size of the circlip( which are made of stainless steel, or at least steel) The band opening pliers supplied by the BTO might even do the job. Frankly, it makes commonsense to supply these particular bands already open. Closing them will be enough of a problem. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "MERET WILSON" To: Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:17 AM Subject: [BIRDBAND] Steel Bands for NOCA I took Kathy K's suggestion and tried several ways to try to get open the stainless steal bands for my NOCA. I am having no luck at finding a decent way of opening them. They flip every which way, bend open at weird angles. And now my post is also broken off, happening before I had read about others having problems. Did anyone come up with a good solution besides going back to aluminum for NOCA??? Any info would be greatly appreciated! Meret WilsonOrmond Beach, FL _________________________________________________________________ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Photo_Gallery_082008 subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Hilton Pond 08/15/08 (Blue-winged Warbler) From: Research at Hilton Pond <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:28:49 -0400 We're a bit behind in posting, but a very early fall migrant Blue-winged Warbler is the topic for our 15-21 August 2008 installment of "This Week at Hilton Pond." To view the photo essay, please visit http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek080815.html As always we provide a tally of birds banded and recaptured--including a rather old male Northern Cardinal--as well as a note about drought-stressed Hilton Pond. Please note that recent hurricane-induced rainfall occurred AFTER the period covered in this week's photo essay; more about the effects of the deluge NEXT week. :-) Happy Nature Watching! BILL -- RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA research AT hiltonpond.org, (803) 684-5852, eFax: (503) 218-0845 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ********** subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Steel Bands for NOCA From: MERET WILSON <wilsonsplover AT HOTMAIL.COM> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:17:25 -0400 I took Kathy K's suggestion and tried several ways to try to get open the stainless steal bands for my NOCA. I am having no luck at finding a decent way of opening them. They flip every which way, bend open at weird angles. And now my post is also broken off, happening before I had read about others having problems. Did anyone come up with a good solution besides going back to aluminum for NOCA??? Any info would be greatly appreciated! Meret WilsonOrmond Beach, FL _________________________________________________________________ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Photo_Gallery_082008 subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Blue-winged Warbler Wing Chord From: Michael Lancaster <mbl.tenbel AT GOOGLEMAIL.COM> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:30:04 -0700 Look them up in Bandit. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Research at Hilton Pond" To: Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:25 PM Subject: [BIRDBAND] Blue-winged Warbler Wing Chord > Could someone post the wing chord ranges for male and female Blue-winged > Warbler? > > (I gave my copy of Pyle et al. to my Costa Rican field assistant when he > visited recently and my re-order hasn't arrived yet.) :-) > > Thanks in advance, > > BILL > -- > > RESEARCH PROGRAM > c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director > Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History > 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA > research AT hiltonpond.org, (803) 684-5852, eFax: (503) 218-0845 > > Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): > Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at > http://www.hiltonpond.org > "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at > http://www.rubythroat.org > > ********** > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web > site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Blue-winged Warbler Wing Chord From: Research at Hilton Pond <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:25:32 -0400 Could someone post the wing chord ranges for male and female Blue-winged Warbler? (I gave my copy of Pyle et al. to my Costa Rican field assistant when he visited recently and my re-order hasn't arrived yet.) :-) Thanks in advance, BILL -- RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA research AT hiltonpond.org, (803) 684-5852, eFax: (503) 218-0845 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ********** subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Hilton Pond 08/01/08 From: Research at Hilton Pond <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:07:48 -0400 During the first half of August 2008, the Carolina Piedmont was showing effects of a devastating drought; we were especially concerned about the impact of ever-scarcer water on Hilton Pond itself and the organisms that depend on it. For a photo essay on some plants and animals affected by local drought, please visit our "This Week at Hilton Pond" installment for 1-14 August 2008 at http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek080801.html As always we provide a tally of all birds banded and recaptured during the period--including a much improved number of Ruby-throated Hummingbirds. Happy Nature Watching! BILL -- RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA research AT hiltonpond.org, (803) 684-5852, eFax: (503) 218-0845 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ********** subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Meetings of interest to birders From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:24:00 -0500 I have posted a list of upcoming meetings that may be of interest to birders at: http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Information for a particular meeting can be accessed by following the provided links. Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Advanced Bird Banding Workshop - Corrected e-mail! From: Andrew Vitz <acvitz AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:53:29 -0700 I have recently posted information on an Advanced Bird Banding Workshop at Powdermill Nature Reserve. I have just noticed an error in my e-mail address associated with that posting. To inquire about or to register for the workshop please contact Dr. Andrew Vitz (e-mail: acvitz AT yahoo.com; or phone (724)593-7521. Thanks! subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: WBBA 2008 Annual Meeting From: Kay Loughman <kayloughman AT EARTHLINK.NET> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:01:51 -0700 It's time to register - there are only three weeks left before the meeting: The Western Bird Banding Association invites you to attend its 2008 Annual Meeting, to be held September 5-7 in Boise, ID. A Molt-limit workshop and NABC bander certification sessions are planned for September 2-4. The meeting will feature workshops, demonstrations, presentations of original research, guest speakers, and exciting field trips. The Call for Papers, and additional information about the meeting are included in the meeting brochure: http://www.westernbirdbanding.org/2008AnnMtg.pdf We look forward to meeting you in Boise. Kay Loughman Berkeley, CA subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: New Gadget on Minnesotabirdnerd From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:12:56 -0500 Hey everyone, I wanted to let you know that I have added a new gadget to my blog that will allow you to see what notable sightings have been posted on eBird for your state. It's in the sidebar and all you have to do is go to your state for an update. Nothing has been posted on eBird for Minnesota recently. :-( http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com I also thought I'd remind everyone that we will be banding at Carver Park (near Victoria, MN) on Saturday and Ritter Farm Park (Lakeville, MN) on Sunday. The weather sounds like it will cooperate and the last front that moved through may have brought in the first migrants of the fall. Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org --- This mailing list is sponsored by the Minnesota Ornithologists' Union. Mailing list membership available on-line at http://moumn.org/subscribe.html. ----- To unsubscribe send a blank email to mou-net-request AT moumn.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Subject: New Gadget on Minnesotabirdnerd From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:12:56 -0500 Hey everyone, I wanted to let you know that I have added a new gadget to my blog that will allow you to see what notable sightings have been posted on eBird for your state. It's in the sidebar and all you have to do is go to your state for an update. Nothing has been posted on eBird for Minnesota recently. :-( http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com I also thought I'd remind everyone that we will be banding at Carver Park (near Victoria, MN) on Saturday and Ritter Farm Park (Lakeville, MN) on Sunday. The weather sounds like it will cooperate and the last front that moved through may have brought in the first migrants of the fall. Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: New Gadget on Minnesotabirdnerd From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:12:56 -0500 Hey everyone, I wanted to let you know that I have added a new gadget to my blog that will allow you to see what notable sightings have been posted on eBird for your state. It's in the sidebar and all you have to do is go to your state for an update. Nothing has been posted on eBird for Minnesota recently. :-( http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com I also thought I'd remind everyone that we will be banding at Carver Park (near Victoria, MN) on Saturday and Ritter Farm Park (Lakeville, MN) on Sunday. The weather sounds like it will cooperate and the last front that moved through may have brought in the first migrants of the fall. Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org _______________________________________________ mnbird mailing list mnbird AT lists.mnbird.net http://lists.mnbird.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mnbird Subject: Advanced Bird Banding Workshop From: Andrew Vitz <acvitz AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:30:22 -0700 Dear Banders, I would like to announce an Advanced Bird Banding Workshop at Powdermill Nature Reserve. This workshop will run from September 23-28. Participants will arrive on Tuesday evening (23rd) and will depart on Sunday afternoon (28th). This will allow for 5 full days (weather permitting) of bird banding. Participants in this workshop are expected to already be comfortable extracting birds from mist-nets, and the focus will be on the aging and sexing of passerines. The majority of time will be spent in the field with live birds; however, these sessions will be complemented with some afternoon or evening presentations. The workshop costs $500 per person and on site lodging (with kitchen) is included. Space is limited and these workshops generally fill up quickly. If you are interested in the workshop or would like additional details please contact Andrew Vitz (acitz AT yahoo.com). subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Color banding Inca Doves From: Jack Eitniear <jce AT CSTBINC.ORG> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:23:39 -0700 I would like to thank everyone for the suggestions on color bands for Inca Doves. Cutting the bands in half and using striped bands (augmented with some improved optics for viewing) seems to be doing the trick. I am amazed at the differences in trapping the various species of doves. White-winged Doves are the easiest. In fact, I once had one venture into a coffee can used to scoop seed and get stuck! This species is incredibly easy to capture. Inca Doves are more wary but if you are observant you can place the traps and construct them in a manner that is more tolerated. Finally, White-tipped doves are very difficult. I have had little luck with traps and have to resort to mist nets. Like many field techniques one size does not fit all! Thanks again for the suggestions on color bands. Jack Jack Eitniear "We will be known forever by the tracks we leave" Dakota Indian Saying Editor/Texas Ornithological Society publications editor AT texasbirds.org www.texasbirds.org Director/Center for the Study of Tropical Birds, Incorporated CSTB correspondence jce AT cstbinc.org www.cstbinc.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Color banding Inca Doves From: Mary Gustafson <Mary.Gustafson AT TPWD.STATE.TX.US> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 20:55:58 -0500 Hi Charlie Talk to the folks banding the San Clemente Loggerheads or Susan Craig in Colorado. When I quit tracking the color banding of shrikes the protocol at that time was to make a two-band sandwich to foil them removing the color bands. One band was applied normally, and then a color band the next size larger was applied over the top. The bands were aligned so the seams did not align. The whole thing was then sealed, giving you a shrike-proof band. I think the technique was published in North American Bird Bander. It has also been used for other large-billed birds like Northern Cardinal and various Grosbeaks. Good luck Mary Gustafson Mission TX -----Original Message----- From: Bird Bander's Forum on behalf of Charlie Sent: Thu 8/7/2008 8:50 PM To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Cc: Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] Color banding Inca Doves Jack, Would it be possible to shorten the bands? If you're using plastic/darvic, could you just use an X-acto knife? I'm still trying to figure out how to band LOSH... I can't find wrap-around color bands for that size. Charlie Muise Georgia --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Jack Eitniear wrote: > From: Jack Eitniear > Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] Color banding Inca Doves > To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:19 PM > Kathy > I do not think that it would be possible to read a number > on an Inca Dove band > except under idea conditions. I was able to add a few new > colors to the combination but I am not too excited about > putting on two color bands as it takes up nearly the entire > tarsus. Being a behavior study I do not want to impact > behavior with the bands. > Thanks for the suggestions. > Jack > > Kathy Klimkiewicz wrote: > How about a field readable band with a code or number or > combination of alpha-numeric although this might be more > difficult to read in the field. > > Cheers, > Kathy > > M. Kathleen Klimkiewicz, Biologist > USGS Patuxent WRC BBL > 12100 Beech Forest RD STE 4037 > Laurel MD 20708-4037 > 301-497-5795 work > Fax 301-497-5717 > KKlimkiewicz AT usgs.gov > Report bands: reportband.gov and get instant feedback! > http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/bbl > > > > > Jack Eitniear > Sent by: Bird Bander's Forum > 07/30/2008 03:30 PM > Please respond to > jce AT CSTBINC.ORG > > > To > BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU cc > > Subject > [BIRDBAND] Color banding Inca Doves > > > > > > > Birdbanders > > I am currently color banding Inca Doves for a behavioral > study. The problem is that > the tarsus of Inca's is so small one hardly has room > for two darvic color bands. > The USFWS band is too wide to include a color band on that > leg as well. > I guess I am looking for color bands that are not so wide > or another marking suggestion? > > Thanks! > > Jack Eitniear > San Antonio/ Salineno, Texas > > > "We will be known forever by the tracks we > leave" Dakota Indian Saying > > Editor/Texas Ornithological Society publications > editor AT texasbirds.org www.texasbirds.org > > Director/Center for the Study of Tropical Birds, > Incorporated > CSTB correspondence jce AT cstbinc.org www.cstbinc.org > > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the > BirdBand web site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > > > > > "We will be known forever by the tracks we leave" > Dakota Indian Saying > > Editor/Texas Ornithological Society publications > editor AT texasbirds.org www.texasbirds.org > > Director/Center for the Study of Tropical Birds, > Incorporated > CSTB correspondence jce AT cstbinc.org www.cstbinc.org > > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the > BirdBand web site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Hilton Pond 07/15/08 (Hummingbird Myths) From: Research at Hilton Pond <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:22:43 -0400 Hummingbirds are amazing creatures that hover, feed on flower nectar, and--despite their small size--can migrate long distances each fall and spring. Based on phone calls, e-mails, and questions we get at public presentations, hummers also are often misunderstood--hence our effort "This Week at Hilton Pond" to dispel the "Top Ten" Hummingbird Myths (plus two). For a photo essay about strange misconceptions some people have about hummingbirds, please visit our current double installment for 15-31 July 2008 at http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek080715.html As always we include a tally of birds banded and recaptured during the period--we caught a bunch of new (and old) ruby-throats--and a note about a recent visit to Hilton Pond by students from York Technical College. Happy Nature Watching! BILL -- RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA research AT hiltonpond.org, (803) 684-5852, eFax: (503) 218-0845 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ********** subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Color banding Inca Doves From: M Lancaster <mbl.tenbel AT GOOGLEMAIL.COM> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:38:27 -0700 I made the same suggestion to Jack privately. Small grinding/cutting tools can be bought with a variety of small discs for cutting which I am sure would cut a band in half no problem. I have actually used my tool for touching up banding pliers to enable more satisfactory closure without the band 'sticking' in the pliers. Why cannot 'new' manufactures just copy EXACTLY the dimensions of the 'original' two hole pliers? What is a LOSH? Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie" To: Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] Color banding Inca Doves > Jack, > > Would it be possible to shorten the bands? If you're using > plastic/darvic, could you just use an X-acto knife? > > I'm still trying to figure out how to band LOSH... I can't find > wrap-around color bands for that size. > > Charlie Muise > Georgia > > > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Jack Eitniear wrote: > >> From: Jack Eitniear >> Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] Color banding Inca Doves >> To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU >> Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:19 PM >> Kathy >> I do not think that it would be possible to read a number >> on an Inca Dove band >> except under idea conditions. I was able to add a few new >> colors to the combination but I am not too excited about >> putting on two color bands as it takes up nearly the entire >> tarsus. Being a behavior study I do not want to impact >> behavior with the bands. >> Thanks for the suggestions. >> Jack >> >> Kathy Klimkiewicz wrote: >> How about a field readable band with a code or number or >> combination of alpha-numeric although this might be more >> difficult to read in the field. >> >> Cheers, >> Kathy >> >> M. Kathleen Klimkiewicz, Biologist >> USGS Patuxent WRC BBL >> 12100 Beech Forest RD STE 4037 >> Laurel MD 20708-4037 >> 301-497-5795 work >> Fax 301-497-5717 >> KKlimkiewicz AT usgs.gov >> Report bands: reportband.gov and get instant feedback! >> http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/bbl >> >> >> >> >> Jack Eitniear >> Sent by: Bird Bander's Forum >> 07/30/2008 03:30 PM >> Please respond to >> jce AT CSTBINC.ORG >> >> >> To >> BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU cc >> >> Subject >> [BIRDBAND] Color banding Inca Doves >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Birdbanders >> >> I am currently color banding Inca Doves for a behavioral >> study. The problem is that >> the tarsus of Inca's is so small one hardly has room >> for two darvic color bands. >> The USFWS band is too wide to include a color band on that >> leg as well. >> I guess I am looking for color bands that are not so wide >> or another marking suggestion? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Jack Eitniear >> San Antonio/ Salineno, Texas >> >> >> "We will be known forever by the tracks we >> leave" Dakota Indian Saying >> >> Editor/Texas Ornithological Society publications >> editor AT texasbirds.org www.texasbirds.org >> >> Director/Center for the Study of Tropical Birds, >> Incorporated >> CSTB correspondence jce AT cstbinc.org www.cstbinc.org >> >> >> subscription options and posting rules can be found at the >> BirdBand web site: >> http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm >> >> >> >> >> "We will be known forever by the tracks we leave" >> Dakota Indian Saying >> >> Editor/Texas Ornithological Society publications >> editor AT texasbirds.org www.texasbirds.org >> >> Director/Center for the Study of Tropical Birds, >> Incorporated >> CSTB correspondence jce AT cstbinc.org www.cstbinc.org >> >> >> subscription options and posting rules can be found at the >> BirdBand web site: >> http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > > > > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web > site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Color banding Inca Doves From: Charlie <cmmbirds AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 18:50:00 -0700 Jack, Would it be possible to shorten the bands? If you're using plastic/darvic, could you just use an X-acto knife? I'm still trying to figure out how to band LOSH... I can't find wrap-around color bands for that size. Charlie Muise Georgia --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Jack Eitniear wrote: > From: Jack Eitniear > Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] Color banding Inca Doves > To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:19 PM > Kathy > I do not think that it would be possible to read a number > on an Inca Dove band > except under idea conditions. I was able to add a few new > colors to the combination but I am not too excited about > putting on two color bands as it takes up nearly the entire > tarsus. Being a behavior study I do not want to impact > behavior with the bands. > Thanks for the suggestions. > Jack > > Kathy Klimkiewicz wrote: > How about a field readable band with a code or number or > combination of alpha-numeric although this might be more > difficult to read in the field. > > Cheers, > Kathy > > M. Kathleen Klimkiewicz, Biologist > USGS Patuxent WRC BBL > 12100 Beech Forest RD STE 4037 > Laurel MD 20708-4037 > 301-497-5795 work > Fax 301-497-5717 > KKlimkiewicz AT usgs.gov > Report bands: reportband.gov and get instant feedback! > http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/bbl > > > > > Jack Eitniear > Sent by: Bird Bander's Forum > 07/30/2008 03:30 PM > Please respond to > jce AT CSTBINC.ORG > > > To > BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU cc > > Subject > [BIRDBAND] Color banding Inca Doves > > > > > > > Birdbanders > > I am currently color banding Inca Doves for a behavioral > study. The problem is that > the tarsus of Inca's is so small one hardly has room > for two darvic color bands. > The USFWS band is too wide to include a color band on that > leg as well. > I guess I am looking for color bands that are not so wide > or another marking suggestion? > > Thanks! > > Jack Eitniear > San Antonio/ Salineno, Texas > > > "We will be known forever by the tracks we > leave" Dakota Indian Saying > > Editor/Texas Ornithological Society publications > editor AT texasbirds.org www.texasbirds.org > > Director/Center for the Study of Tropical Birds, > Incorporated > CSTB correspondence jce AT cstbinc.org www.cstbinc.org > > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the > BirdBand web site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > > > > > "We will be known forever by the tracks we leave" > Dakota Indian Saying > > Editor/Texas Ornithological Society publications > editor AT texasbirds.org www.texasbirds.org > > Director/Center for the Study of Tropical Birds, > Incorporated > CSTB correspondence jce AT cstbinc.org www.cstbinc.org > > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the > BirdBand web site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Color banding Inca Doves From: Jack Eitniear <jce AT CSTBINC.ORG> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:19:06 -0700 Kathy I do not think that it would be possible to read a number on an Inca Dove band except under idea conditions. I was able to add a few new colors to the combination but I am not too excited about putting on two color bands as it takes up nearly the entire tarsus. Being a behavior study I do not want to impact behavior with the bands. Thanks for the suggestions. Jack Kathy Klimkiewicz wrote: How about a field readable band with a code or number or combination of alpha-numeric although this might be more difficult to read in the field. Cheers, Kathy M. Kathleen Klimkiewicz, Biologist USGS Patuxent WRC BBL 12100 Beech Forest RD STE 4037 Laurel MD 20708-4037 301-497-5795 work Fax 301-497-5717 KKlimkiewicz AT usgs.gov Report bands: reportband.gov and get instant feedback! http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/bbl Jack Eitniear Sent by: Bird Bander's Forum 07/30/2008 03:30 PM Please respond to jce AT CSTBINC.ORG To BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU cc Subject [BIRDBAND] Color banding Inca Doves Birdbanders I am currently color banding Inca Doves for a behavioral study. The problem is that the tarsus of Inca's is so small one hardly has room for two darvic color bands. The USFWS band is too wide to include a color band on that leg as well. I guess I am looking for color bands that are not so wide or another marking suggestion? Thanks! Jack Eitniear San Antonio/ Salineno, Texas "We will be known forever by the tracks we leave" Dakota Indian Saying Editor/Texas Ornithological Society publications editor AT texasbirds.org www.texasbirds.org Director/Center for the Study of Tropical Birds, Incorporated CSTB correspondence jce AT cstbinc.org www.cstbinc.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm "We will be known forever by the tracks we leave" Dakota Indian Saying Editor/Texas Ornithological Society publications editor AT texasbirds.org www.texasbirds.org Director/Center for the Study of Tropical Birds, Incorporated CSTB correspondence jce AT cstbinc.org www.cstbinc.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Color banding Inca Doves From: Kathy Klimkiewicz <kklimkiewicz AT USGS.GOV> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:50:58 -0400 How about a field readable band with a code or number or combination of alpha-numeric although this might be more difficult to read in the field. Cheers, Kathy M. Kathleen Klimkiewicz, Biologist USGS Patuxent WRC BBL 12100 Beech Forest RD STE 4037 Laurel MD 20708-4037 301-497-5795 work Fax 301-497-5717 KKlimkiewicz AT usgs.gov Report bands: reportband.gov and get instant feedback! http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/bbl Jack Eitniear Sent by: Bird Bander's Forum 07/30/2008 03:30 PM Please respond to jce AT CSTBINC.ORG To BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU cc Subject [BIRDBAND] Color banding Inca Doves Birdbanders I am currently color banding Inca Doves for a behavioral study. The problem is that the tarsus of Inca's is so small one hardly has room for two darvic color bands. The USFWS band is too wide to include a color band on that leg as well. I guess I am looking for color bands that are not so wide or another marking suggestion? Thanks! Jack Eitniear San Antonio/ Salineno, Texas "We will be known forever by the tracks we leave" Dakota Indian Saying Editor/Texas Ornithological Society publications editor AT texasbirds.org www.texasbirds.org Director/Center for the Study of Tropical Birds, Incorporated CSTB correspondence jce AT cstbinc.org www.cstbinc.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Inland Bird Banding Assoc. Meeting From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 10:31:04 -0500 Hello all- Yesterday I posted some meetings I thought would be of interest to birders and completely forgot to include this year's IBBA meeting. To atone for that error I have posted the official meeting announcement for that meeting along with pictures from last year's meeting in Wisconsin. http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org --- This mailing list is sponsored by the Minnesota Ornithologists' Union. Mailing list membership available on-line at http://moumn.org/subscribe.html. ----- To unsubscribe send a blank email to mou-net-request AT moumn.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Subject: Inland Bird Banding Assoc. Meeting From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 10:31:04 -0500 Hello all- Yesterday I posted some meetings I thought would be of interest to birders and completely forgot to include this year's IBBA meeting. To atone for that error I have posted the official meeting announcement for that meeting along with pictures from last year's meeting in Wisconsin. http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Inland Bird Banding Assoc. Meeting From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 10:31:04 -0500 Hello all- Yesterday I posted some meetings I thought would be of interest to birders and completely forgot to include this year's IBBA meeting. To atone for that error I have posted the official meeting announcement for that meeting along with pictures from last year's meeting in Wisconsin. http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org _______________________________________________ mnbird mailing list mnbird AT lists.mnbird.net http://lists.mnbird.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mnbird Subject: IBBA 2008 Annual Meeting Information and Registration Materials From: Eric Soehren <eric.soehren AT DCNR.ALABAMA.GOV> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 07:11:06 -0700 The Inland Bird Banding Association's 2008 Annual Meeting will be held at Weeks Bay National Estuarine Research Reserve near Fairhope, Alabama (Baldwin County) on 3-5 October. If interested in attending, please visit the IBBA website (http://aves.net/InlandBBA/) for meeting information and registration materials. I hope to see you there. Eric Soehren Alabama DCNR, State Lands Division Natural Heritage Section 64 North Union Street Montgomery, AL 36130 P (334) 242-3484 Email: eric.soehren AT dcnr.alabama.gov subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: List of Meetings From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:40:22 -0500 I have posted some upcoming ornithological meeting information on my blog for those who might be interested. http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart North Central Bird Observatory Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org --- This mailing list is sponsored by the Minnesota Ornithologists' Union. Mailing list membership available on-line at http://moumn.org/subscribe.html. ----- To unsubscribe send a blank email to mou-net-request AT moumn.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Subject: List of Meetings From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:40:22 -0500 I have posted some upcoming ornithological meeting information on my blog for those who might be interested. http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart North Central Bird Observatory Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Saturday morning banding From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:18:52 -0500 I took a few hours this morning to try and catch Sedge Wrens at Carver Park near Victoria, MN for a study I'm doing. I had some success and have posted pictures of birds in the hand on my blog for those who might be interested. http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org --- This mailing list is sponsored by the Minnesota Ornithologists' Union. Mailing list membership available on-line at http://moumn.org/subscribe.html. ----- To unsubscribe send a blank email to mou-net-request AT moumn.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Subject: Saturday morning banding From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:18:52 -0500 I took a few hours this morning to try and catch Sedge Wrens at Carver Park near Victoria, MN for a study I'm doing. I had some success and have posted pictures of birds in the hand on my blog for those who might be interested. http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Saturday morning banding From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:18:52 -0500 I took a few hours this morning to try and catch Sedge Wrens at Carver Park near Victoria, MN for a study I'm doing. I had some success and have posted pictures of birds in the hand on my blog for those who might be interested. http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org _______________________________________________ mnbird mailing list mnbird AT lists.mnbird.net http://lists.mnbird.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mnbird Subject: Beginner Bird Banding Class in Virginia From: Danielle Kaschube <dkaschube AT BIRDPOP.ORG> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:10:12 -0400 Please join Environmental Studies on the Piedmont, in cooperation with the Institute for Bird Populations (IBP), for a beginner bird banding class to be held September 28 through October 4, 2008 in western Virginia. A typical day will be spent at mist nets with birds in the hand in the morning and in classroom sessions in the afternoon. The pace of the course is fast, but there is also some free time. The introductory course is designed to provide both amateur birders and professional biologists with the skills necessary to participate in monitoring and research programs involving bird banding. For more information and a registration form please see the Environmental Studies on the Piedmont website at http://www.envstudies.org/ or contact the class host at es AT IAPM.org. Hope to see you there! ****************************** Danielle Kaschube MAPS Coordinator dkaschube AT birdpop.org In New Jersey : 609-625-0767 California Main Office: The Institute for Bird Populations P.O. Box 1346 Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1346 Phone: 415-663-1436 Fax: 415-663-9482 ****************************** Visit IBP's website at www.birdpop.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Color banding Inca Doves From: Jack Eitniear <jce AT CSTBINC.ORG> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:30:03 -0700 Birdbanders I am currently color banding Inca Doves for a behavioral study. The problem is that the tarsus of Inca's is so small one hardly has room for two darvic color bands. The USFWS band is too wide to include a color band on that leg as well. I guess I am looking for color bands that are not so wide or another marking suggestion? Thanks! Jack Eitniear San Antonio/ Salineno, Texas "We will be known forever by the tracks we leave" Dakota Indian Saying Editor/Texas Ornithological Society publications editor AT texasbirds.org www.texasbirds.org Director/Center for the Study of Tropical Birds, Incorporated CSTB correspondence jce AT cstbinc.org www.cstbinc.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Rusty Blackbird Conference at Powdermill From: Robert Mulvihill <mulvihill AT PABIRDATLAS.ORG> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:52:23 -0400 Dear Banders, The 2008 Meeting of the International Rusty Blackbird Technical Group will be held at Powdermill Nature Reserve from October 8-11. The IRBTWG was formed in February 2005 to develop a cross-seasonal and comprehensive research program to develop the information needed to understand the causes and ecological significance of the Rusty Blackbirds' decline. This information and the future information gathered by long-term monitoring (e.g., banding) programs are critical to developing on-the-ground conservation strategies and management programs to stem the rapid decline of this species. I have been asked by the IRBTWG group to poll banders, especially those working in the Great Lakes and mid-Appalachian region (but anywhere RUBLs occur regularly and in numbers), to see who might be interested in attending and contributing to the upcoming meeting at Powdermill (see highlightedportions in the Notes copied below). Any of you who regularly bands RUBLs in spring, fall, or winter, or who regularly observes RUBLs in the area where you do your banding, could contribute greatly to the process of establishing and implementing RUBL-specific banding protocols, which, in turn, could result in the collection of important data for understanding RUBL declines and for informing management decisions aimed at recovering populations of this quintessential boreal bird. For more information on the IRBTWG and the RUBL decline, go to: http://nationalzoo.si.edu/ConservationAndScience/MigratoryBirds/Research/Rusty_Blackbird/ *Please reply directly to me* if you are interested in attending the upcoming Rusty Blackbird meeting/workshop at Powdermill and contributing to the discussions about developing RUBL-specific banding protocols. I realize that this is a potentially very busy time for many of you at your own stations, but the input and participation of experienced banders in this effort is critical, so please seriously consider investing a few days in October for this important conservation cause. Many thanks, Bob Mulvihill -- Robert S. Mulvihill Carnegie Museum of Natural History Field Ornithology Projects Coordinator Coordinator, 2nd PA Breeding Bird Atlas Powdermill Avian Research Center 1847 Route 381 Rector, PA 15677 724.593.6022 mulvihill AT pabirdatlas.org > NOTES FROM STEVE MATSUOKA FROM APRIL TECONF ON SUBJECT OF OCT WORKSHOP > _4/22/08 > Conference call, International Rusty Blackbird Technical Group > In attendance: Russ Greenberg, Steve Matsuoka, Claudia Mettke-Hofmann, > Nathan Dias, Bob Mullville > Topic: 2008 Meeting of the International Rusty Blackbird Technical Group Meeting location, organization, and schedule > Location: Powdermill Research Reserve ( > http://www.powdermill.org/information.htm) > Host: Powdermill Avian Research Center, Bob Mulvihill > Steering Committee: Nathan Dias, Russ Greenberg, Steve Matsuoka, Claudia > Mettke-Hofmann, Bob Mulvihill, (others likely that were not on the call). > Local organization: Bob Mulvihill and the Powdermill staff > Nearest airport: Pittsburgh, PA, 60 miles from Powdermill. > Nearest town: Ligonier. > Proposed Dates: Week of October 6th or 13th > Schedule: Wednesday: travel > Thursday-Friday: meeting sessions > Saturday: Field trips or banding workshop > Sunday: travel > Conference facilities: Sufficient to easily host 25–30 people; conference > line available, no cell phone coverage in area. > On-site accommodations: Cabins are available at Powdermill; enough to house > ~35 people. This is a shared housing arrangement with 6–15 people in a > cabin with a full kitchen and bathrooms. The cabins are in a beautiful > rustic setting and within walking distance to the meeting location. Cabin > rate is $40 per night, less for a group. > Off-site hotel accommodations: Hotels are within a 15-min drive, however, > October is a busy tourist season to view Fall colors so you will need to > reserve a hotel room in advance. > Food: Food in not served at Powdermill. Food will need to be catered, self > prepared, or order in town. > Banding station: Will be in full operation all day long; this will be the > peak period of passage for many species, incl. Rusties. > Field trips: Possibilities include banding station, Falling Water, Carnegie > Museum. > Banding workshop: This could be organized for one day to discuss methods of > trapping, tissue collection, aging, standardizing data collection. > Ideas on meeting program (to be more fully developed during subsequent > conference calls). > 1) Less presentation more discussion compared to Stoneville meeting > (2007). > 2) Open with 2–4 talks to summarize our current understanding of the > species. This might include an overview, breeding, migration, wintering, > matrix > 3) Could have poster with more detail for new or specific research > projects. > 4) 2–3 discussion sessions. Possible topics include: > > a. How to direct growing interest in the conservation and study of > the species. > b. How to gather data during migration, banding stations, etc. > > i. We could recruit people from banding stations to attend and > develop a strategy / protocols. > > c. Steps on wintering grounds to identify important areas with > concentrations of birds. > i. February "blitz". A more focused count, key states and sites > could be targeted. Organized far in advance. > ii. This is needed because birds tend to arrive on true "winter > sites" in December. CBC detection quite variable because birds have not yet > fully settled during the count period. > > d. Registry of wintering sites supporting >50 birds on a regular > basis. > e. Return to matrix and prioritize research and conservation. > i. It still is not clear what times of the year or what major > factors are governing the decline. Discussion on the next steps would be > valuable. > > f. Developing research and monitoring on winter ground to inform > habitat management / restoration. > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Characteristics of young birds From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:52:36 -0500 Hi everyone, I have posted some photos of young birds showing juvenile characteristics from last weekends banding session. A short discussion of each photo is included. http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart North Central Bird Observatory Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org --- This mailing list is sponsored by the Minnesota Ornithologists' Union. Mailing list membership available on-line at http://moumn.org/subscribe.html. ----- To unsubscribe send a blank email to mou-net-request AT moumn.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Subject: Characteristics of young birds From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:52:36 -0500 Hi everyone, I have posted some photos of young birds showing juvenile characteristics from last weekends banding session. A short discussion of each photo is included. http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart North Central Bird Observatory Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org _______________________________________________ mnbird mailing list mnbird AT lists.mnbird.net http://lists.mnbird.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mnbird Subject: Characteristics of young birds From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:52:36 -0500 Hi everyone, I have posted some photos of young birds showing juvenile characteristics from last weekends banding session. A short discussion of each photo is included. http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart North Central Bird Observatory Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm