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31 Aug Tuesday night radar ["R.D. Everhart" ] 31 Aug Tuesday night radar ["R.D. Everhart" ] 31 Aug Tuesday night radar ["R.D. Everhart" ] 31 Aug Migration Should Pick up ["R.D. Everhart" ] 31 Aug Migration Should Pick up ["R.D. Everhart" ] 31 Aug Migration Should Pick up ["R.D. Everhart" ] 29 Aug Metro Beach banding report - August 27-28, 2010 ["Allen T. Chartier" ] 29 Aug Young Cardinal and Ovenbird ["R.D. Everhart" ] 29 Aug Young Cardinal and Ovenbird ["R.D. Everhart" ] 27 Aug WBBA meeting [Josee Rousseau ] 27 Aug Friday birding ["R.D. Everhart" ] 27 Aug Friday birding ["R.D. Everhart" ] 27 Aug Friday birding ["R.D. Everhart" ] 27 Aug Hilton Pond 08/22/10 (Front Yards & Sourwoods) ["Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" ] 26 Aug Quiet morning ["R.D. Everhart" ] 26 Aug Quiet morning ["R.D. Everhart" ] 25 Aug Looking for experienced Great Blue Heron banders [m shieldcastle ] 25 Aug Photos of Sparrows ["R.D. Everhart" ] 25 Aug Photos of Sparrows ["R.D. Everhart" ] 25 Aug Photos of Sparrows ["R.D. Everhart" ] 24 Aug color-banded Ruddy Turnstone (RUTU) [Anthony Hill ] 24 Aug FW: Ed Henckel passes away last night [Cal Cooper ] 24 Aug Re: banding pliers? [Debbie Waters ] 24 Aug burrowing owls [Lois Balin ] 24 Aug banding pliers? [Debbie Waters ] 24 Aug Migration picks up behind storm front ["R.D. Everhart" ] 24 Aug Migration picks up behind storm front ["R.D. Everhart" ] 24 Aug Migration picks up behind storm front ["R.D. Everhart" ] 23 Aug Re: mystery nestling [John and Sue Gregoire ] 22 Aug Banding fall migrants ["R.D. Everhart" ] 22 Aug Hilton Pond 08/11/10 (New River Hummingbirds) ["Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" ] 22 Aug Re: Metro Beach banding report - August 18, 2010 ["Allen T. Chartier" ] 22 Aug mystery nestling [David Rintoul ] 22 Aug Re: Metro Beach banding report - August 18, 2010 [M Lancaster ] 22 Aug Re: Metro Beach banding report - August 18, 2010 [M Lancaster ] 22 Aug Banding fall migrants ["R.D. Everhart" ] 22 Aug Banding fall migrants ["R.D. Everhart" ] 21 Aug RFI banded Double-Crested Cormorant (DCCO) [Anthony Hill ] 21 Aug Re: Metro Beach banding report - August 18, 2010 ["Allen T. Chartier" ] 21 Aug Re: Metro Beach banding report - August 18, 2010 [M Lancaster ] 20 Aug Metro Beach banding report - August 18, 2010 ["Allen T. Chartier" ] 16 Aug Any hummingbird banders in NW Ohio? [Jackie Augustine ] 16 Aug Metro Beach banding report - August 14, 2010 ["Allen T. Chartier" ] 12 Aug Metro Beach Banding Report - August 7, 2010 ["Allen T. Chartier" ] 12 Aug Re: empidonax vocalising in hand [Tom Koronkiewicz ] 12 Aug Re: empidonax vocalising in hand ["Allen T. Chartier" ] 12 Aug empidonax vocalising in hand [Manuel Grosselet ] 11 Aug Hilton Pond 08/01/10 (Land Between the Lakes) ["Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" ] 11 Aug recapturing known age Inca Doves [Mary Gustafson ] 9 Aug Re: FW: patagially-marked "seagull" [H Thomas Bartlett ] 9 Aug Re: FW: patagially-marked "seagull" [Stacy Hanks ] 9 Aug Re: Fwd: [BIRDBAND] RFI on an ethical issue [Lyndon Kearsley ] 9 Aug FW: patagially-marked "seagull" ["Ingold, James" ] 8 Aug Re: link to BirdBand web site [Jean Bickal ] 8 Aug Re: link to BirdBand web site [Lyndon Kearsley ] 6 Aug Re: link to BirdBand web site ["Allen T. Chartier" ] 6 Aug Re: link to BirdBand web site ["John N. Riggins" ] 6 Aug Re: link to BirdBand web site [SAKAI_WALTER ] 6 Aug color band for big sparrow [Manuel Grosselet ] 4 Aug Re: Fwd: [BIRDBAND] RFI on an ethical issue [Cindy Cartwright ] 2 Aug Re: Fwd: [BIRDBAND] RFI on an ethical issue ["C. John Ralph" ] 2 Aug Re: Fwd: [BIRDBAND] RFI on an ethical issue [Richter Museum ] 2 Aug Re: Fwd: [BIRDBAND] RFI on an ethical issue [Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick ] 2 Aug Re: RFI on an ethical issue [Scott Weidensaul ] 2 Aug Re: Fwd: [BIRDBAND] RFI on an ethical issue [Wood/Williamson ] 2 Aug Fwd: [BIRDBAND] RFI on an ethical issue [Mark Newstrom ] 2 Aug Re: RFI on an ethical issue [Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick ] 2 Aug Re: RFI on an ethical issue [Jack Clinton Eitniear ] 2 Aug Re: RFI on an ethical issue ["Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" ] 2 Aug Re: RFI on an ethical issue [Mara McDonald ] 2 Aug RFI on an ethical issue [Wood/Williamson ] 1 Aug Hummingbird blog update ["Allen T. Chartier" ] 25 Jul Hilton Pond 07/08/10 (Big Tree Hurt) ["Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" ] 24 Jul Color marking inquiry [Robert Welch ] 23 Jul Bird Job Announcement for Starr Ranch Bird Observatory ["C. John Ralph" ] 23 Jul Re: banding stations, data collections, and the Gulf oil crisis ["R.D. Everhart" ] Subject: Tuesday night radar From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 22:32:35 -0500 As of 10:30 CST the front moving across the upper midwest is causing the winds behind to shift to out of the north and radar shows an apparent strong movement of birds tonight. Should be some new stuff in the yard tomorrow! Radar image at: http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org _______________________________________________ mnbird mailing list mnbird AT lists.mnbird.net http://lists.mnbird.net/mailman/listinfo/mnbird Unsubscribe: %(user_optionsurl)s Subject: Tuesday night radar From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 22:32:35 -0500 As of 10:30 CST the front moving across the upper midwest is causing the winds behind to shift to out of the north and radar shows an apparent strong movement of birds tonight. Should be some new stuff in the yard tomorrow! Radar image at: http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Tuesday night radar From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 22:32:35 -0500 As of 10:30 CST the front moving across the upper midwest is causing the winds behind to shift to out of the north and radar shows an apparent strong movement of birds tonight. Should be some new stuff in the yard tomorrow! Radar image at: http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org #################### You received this email because you are subscribed to the Wisconsin Birding Network (Wisbirdn). To UNSUBSCRIBE or SUBSCRIBE, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: http://www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. To set DIGEST or VACATION modes, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: http://www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. Visit Wisbirdn ARCHIVES at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/wisbirdn. Subject: Migration Should Pick up From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 00:01:34 -0500 Hey everyone - It's been blazing hot and humid in Minnesota the last few days and the birds have been really quiet around my house. However, there is a big storm front moving through the state tonight (radar images are pretty impressive) with a significant change in wind direction and temperature set to occur Tuesday through Wednesday. I think the end of the week will see more bird migration activity so plan accordingly. While waiting for that I've posted some images of a Bobolink we banded this summer up north. Enjoy! http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org _______________________________________________ mnbird mailing list mnbird AT lists.mnbird.net http://lists.mnbird.net/mailman/listinfo/mnbird Unsubscribe: %(user_optionsurl)s Subject: Migration Should Pick up From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 00:01:34 -0500 Hey everyone - It's been blazing hot and humid in Minnesota the last few days and the birds have been really quiet around my house. However, there is a big storm front moving through the state tonight (radar images are pretty impressive) with a significant change in wind direction and temperature set to occur Tuesday through Wednesday. I think the end of the week will see more bird migration activity so plan accordingly. While waiting for that I've posted some images of a Bobolink we banded this summer up north. Enjoy! http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org #################### You received this email because you are subscribed to the Wisconsin Birding Network (Wisbirdn). To UNSUBSCRIBE or SUBSCRIBE, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: http://www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. To set DIGEST or VACATION modes, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: http://www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. Visit Wisbirdn ARCHIVES at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/wisbirdn. Subject: Migration Should Pick up From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 00:01:34 -0500 Hey everyone - It's been blazing hot and humid in Minnesota the last few days and the birds have been really quiet around my house. However, there is a big storm front moving through the state tonight (radar images are pretty impressive) with a significant change in wind direction and temperature set to occur Tuesday through Wednesday. I think the end of the week will see more bird migration activity so plan accordingly. While waiting for that I've posted some images of a Bobolink we banded this summer up north. Enjoy! http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Metro Beach banding report - August 27-28, 2010 From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1 AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:39:07 -0400 Birders and Banders, I have updated my blog with results, photos, and highlights from banding sessions conducted on August 27 & 28 at Metro Beach Metropark, Macomb Co., Michigan (42*34'29.9"N, 82*48'31.5"W). Among a near-blizzard of goldfinches, an interesting mix of warblers including a Connecticut, as well as other interesting species and observations. Check out the blog at: http://tinyurl.com/m5vcl2 Allen T. Chartier amazilia1(at)comcast.net Inkster, Michigan, USA archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Young Cardinal and Ovenbird From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:04:22 -0500 I've posted a couple of pictures of a young cardinal caught yesterday during banding and of the first Ovenbird in my nets this fall. Hot weather continues to make this slow around here birdwise. http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org _______________________________________________ mnbird mailing list mnbird AT lists.mnbird.net http://lists.mnbird.net/mailman/listinfo/mnbird Unsubscribe: %(user_optionsurl)s Subject: Young Cardinal and Ovenbird From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:04:22 -0500 I've posted a couple of pictures of a young cardinal caught yesterday during banding and of the first Ovenbird in my nets this fall. Hot weather continues to make this slow around here birdwise. http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: WBBA meeting From: Josee Rousseau <josee.rousseau AT MAIL.MCGILL.CA> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:56:43 -0400 Hello, The program and registration form for the WBBA meeting are now online (see links below). Hope to see you in Southern California! Josée WBBA TO MEET ON SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA RANCH The Western Bird Banding Association will meet at the peak of landbird migration for their 2010 annual meeting at the lovely Starr Ranch Bird Observatory, September 30 to October 3, 2010. SRBO is within the Starr Ranch Sanctuary (http://www.starrranch.org/), a 4,000-acre National Audubon Society preserve in the foothills of the of the Santa Ana Mountains, in the mild and semiarid Mediterranean climate of southeastern Orange County, approximately 60 miles southeast of Los Angeles. The meeting is not to be missed, and will have exciting demonstrations and workshops of banding, data management, and analysis of banding data. Located at a long-running banding station in a riparian corridor amongst the unique California coastal sage scrub, the historic ranch boasts an old orange grove, offers shady trees for camping and some limited bunk space, as well as outdoor cooking facilities and nearby motels. Paper and poster presentations can reflect original research, summarize existing information, or address the use of banding as a tool in avian research and monitoring. Mist nets will be operated for the first time at Starr Ranch during fall migration. An NABC certification for banders is also planned. Please submit abstracts for papers or workshops electronically to C. J. Ralph (EM: cjr2 AT humboldt.edu), specifying workshop, paper, or poster. For additional information on abstract submission and about WBBA's 2010 meeting, please visit the WBBA website (URL: http://www.westernbirdbanding.org/next-meetings.html), or contact C.J. at 707 499-9707. ___________________________________ Josée Rousseau Redwood Sciences Laboratory, USFS Klamath Bird Observatory Temporary address and phone number: 4886 Cottage Grove Ave. McKinleyville, CA, 95519 (707) 840-9479 josee.rousseau AT mail.mcgill.ca ___________________________________ archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Friday birding From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:17:29 -0500 I headed out today for a bit of birding and to check out the condition of some of the local wetlands. We've been needing rain for a while now and even though we've had some pretty good storms some of the marshes are still low on water and vegetation is filling in the dryer spots. I only saw a couple of Turkey Vultures floating overhead and a group of Barn Swallows on some telephone lines. Also saw lots of dragonflies out over the cornfields. The hotter winds out of the south will probably slow down migrants for a few days but things might pick up again by early next week. This should give birds some time to build up those fat reserves. I've added some more warbler photos at: http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org _______________________________________________ mnbird mailing list mnbird AT lists.mnbird.net http://lists.mnbird.net/mailman/listinfo/mnbird Unsubscribe: %(user_optionsurl)s Subject: Friday birding From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:17:29 -0500 I headed out today for a bit of birding and to check out the condition of some of the local wetlands. We've been needing rain for a while now and even though we've had some pretty good storms some of the marshes are still low on water and vegetation is filling in the dryer spots. I only saw a couple of Turkey Vultures floating overhead and a group of Barn Swallows on some telephone lines. Also saw lots of dragonflies out over the cornfields. The hotter winds out of the south will probably slow down migrants for a few days but things might pick up again by early next week. This should give birds some time to build up those fat reserves. I've added some more warbler photos at: http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Friday birding From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:17:29 -0500 I headed out today for a bit of birding and to check out the condition of some of the local wetlands. We've been needing rain for a while now and even though we've had some pretty good storms some of the marshes are still low on water and vegetation is filling in the dryer spots. I only saw a couple of Turkey Vultures floating overhead and a group of Barn Swallows on some telephone lines. Also saw lots of dragonflies out over the cornfields. The hotter winds out of the south will probably slow down migrants for a few days but things might pick up again by early next week. This should give birds some time to build up those fat reserves. I've added some more warbler photos at: http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org #################### You received this email because you are subscribed to the Wisconsin Birding Network (Wisbirdn). To UNSUBSCRIBE or SUBSCRIBE, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: http://www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. To set DIGEST or VACATION modes, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: http://www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. Visit Wisbirdn ARCHIVES at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/wisbirdn. Subject: Hilton Pond 08/22/10 (Front Yards & Sourwoods) From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 07:54:11 -0400 "This Week at Hilton Pond" we explore our small front yard at the Center, finding and photographing a diverse assemblage of flora and fauna from predatory insects to immature hummingbirds to unexpected orchids. For a photo essay about these organisms that could be hanging out in your own front yard, please see our installment for 22-26 August 2010 at http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek100822.html . We also pose a question about the importance of Sourwood trees as a hummingbird nectar source. This edition includes the exiting first announcement of how YOU--thanks to the amazing generosity of an alumnus from past Operation RubyThroat expeditions--can go with us for FREE next winter to Costa Rica. If you've always wanted to study hummingbirds in the warm, sunny Neotropics when winter weather is at its worst in North America, here's your big chance to receive one of TWO $1,799 trip scholarships while supporting Hilton Pond Center's education, research, and conservation endeavors. Don't forget to scroll down for a list of birds banded at Hilton Pond during the most recent period, as well as a couple of miscellaneous nature notes. Happy Nature Watching! BILL ========= RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA office & cell (803) 684-5852 fax (803) 684-0255 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ================== archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Quiet morning From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 23:25:52 -0500 I really had hopes of a busy day banding this morning but the woods around me were relatively quiet. I did manage to catch the following: Black-capped Chickadee - 2 Trail's Flycatcher (Willow/Alder combined) - 1 Nashville Warbler - 1 Common Yellowthroat - 1 >From reports around Duluth there are still a lot of birds heading this way but the weather for the weekend is supposed to be hot and humid again. I don't know how that will impact birds moving this way. We'll see. http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org _______________________________________________ mnbird mailing list mnbird AT lists.mnbird.net http://lists.mnbird.net/mailman/listinfo/mnbird Unsubscribe: %(user_optionsurl)s Subject: Quiet morning From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 23:25:52 -0500 I really had hopes of a busy day banding this morning but the woods around me were relatively quiet. I did manage to catch the following: Black-capped Chickadee - 2 Trail's Flycatcher (Willow/Alder combined) - 1 Nashville Warbler - 1 Common Yellowthroat - 1 From reports around Duluth there are still a lot of birds heading this way but the weather for the weekend is supposed to be hot and humid again. I don't know how that will impact birds moving this way. We'll see. http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Looking for experienced Great Blue Heron banders From: m shieldcastle <mcshieldcastle AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:01:52 -0400 Anyone that has experience in capturing Great Blue Heron adults and may be looking for a job for a few weeks may want to call Ric Zarwell. He is involved in the clean up of the Michigan Oil Spill and they are in need of capturing a few herons that have had contact with oil. If interested call Ric at 563-419-4991 Mark Shieldcastle Black Swamp Bird Observatory 13551 W SR 2 Oak Harbor, OH 43449 419-898-4070 archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Photos of Sparrows From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:43:51 -0500 With sparrows still a while from making their way south in numbers I thought I'd post some photos of sparrows banded this spring and summer. The photos can be enlarged by clicking on them and if anyone would like to use any of these for educational purposes please feel free. http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org _______________________________________________ mnbird mailing list mnbird AT lists.mnbird.net http://lists.mnbird.net/mailman/listinfo/mnbird Unsubscribe: %(user_optionsurl)s Subject: Photos of Sparrows From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:43:51 -0500 With sparrows still a while from making their way south in numbers I thought I'd post some photos of sparrows banded this spring and summer. The photos can be enlarged by clicking on them and if anyone would like to use any of these for educational purposes please feel free. http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Photos of Sparrows From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:43:51 -0500 With sparrows still a while from making their way south in numbers I thought I'd post some photos of sparrows banded this spring and summer. The photos can be enlarged by clicking on them and if anyone would like to use any of these for educational purposes please feel free. http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org #################### You received this email because you are subscribed to the Wisconsin Birding Network (Wisbirdn). To UNSUBSCRIBE or SUBSCRIBE, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: http://www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. To set DIGEST or VACATION modes, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: http://www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. Visit Wisbirdn ARCHIVES at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/wisbirdn. Subject: color-banded Ruddy Turnstone (RUTU) From: Anthony Hill <anhinga13 AT HOTMAIL.COM> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:18:43 -0400 I've just been looking through some photos taken while on field work in July and find I have a photo of a RUTU wearing color bands: on the Right leg -- metal over Green, on the Left leg -- Red over Green. Does anyone recognize this combination? My photo doesn't show any legible numbers on the metal band. I'm happy to share the details with the bander. Anthony Hill S. Hadley, MA | Préservons l'environnement - Avez-vous réellement besoin d'imprimer ce courriel ? | | Please consider the environment - Do you really need to print this e-mail? | | Piense en verde. Antes de imprimir este email hágase la siguiente pregunta, es necesario?|** BUY a duck stamp at the Post Office and conserve habitat ** archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: FW: Ed Henckel passes away last night From: Cal Cooper <cacooperii AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:07:43 -0700 Dear all --   I am profoundly grieved to announce the news that Ed Henckel, long-time raptor bander and vulture researcher from Pennsylvania passed away last night after battling cancer.   Ed was a genuine person.  He spoke his mind and had strong opinions.  He was not duplicitous and he was not devious.  You knew exactly where you stood with Ed.  He battled you sometimes, encouraged you sometimes, worked hard, and showed us the power of fortitude.  In my last phone conversation with Ed, he told me of his day-to-day struggles with the insidious disease, and how he had good days and not so good ones.  But his voice was so strong that I was not aware of the gravity of his illness except by hearing from mutual friends.   I am sure that Ed Henckel was enthusiastic about raptors until his last breath.  I could feel him and his influence when I visited hawk nests, banded individuals or thought about what raptors need and what they deserve.  He was an inspiration and a mentor.   Ed Henckel will be sorely missed and never forgotten.  Condolences go out to Ed's wife, Judy, and to others of his extended friends and family.     Stan Moore       archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Re: banding pliers? From: Debbie Waters <dwaters AT HAWKRIDGE.ORG> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 11:40:39 -0500 What a wonderful group of folks! Thank you all for your replies. Looks like everyone agrees, Michigans are the best. Unless you've got some MacDonalds stashed away somewhere. The prices are soon to be submitted to the insurance company. My future banded birds thank you! ____________________________ Debbie Waters Education Director Hawk Ridge Bird Observatory P.O. Box 3006 Duluth, MN 55803-3006 218.428.3539 dwaters AT hawkridge.org www.hawkridge.org Are you a member of Hawk Ridge? Join us! "I'm an early bird and I'm a night owl, so I'm wise and I have worms." - Michael Scott, The Office From: Debbie Waters [mailto:dwaters AT hawkridge.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 9:47 AM To: Bird Bander's Forum Subject: banding pliers? Hi folks, Due to an unfortunate burglary in our storage unit, I have the opportunity to purchase all new banding tools! I'm happy with all the equipment I've been using with the exception of the banding pliers. I need to replace both small and large pliers, for bands size 0A to 3. If you are happy with yours, I'd love to know what brand/model they are and where to purchase them. Especially if you LOVE yours. ;-) The ones I had got "sticky" after only a year of minimal use. No matter what I did to improve their function, they just didn't work smoothly. Thanks, Debbie p.s. We'd appreciate everyone keeping their eyes open for any equipment marked "HRBO". Not sure how the thieves are planning to pawn 85 pairs of binoculars painted with "HRBO" all over them, but you never know. ____________________________ Debbie Waters Education Director Hawk Ridge Bird Observatory P.O. Box 3006 Duluth, MN 55803-3006 218.428.3539 dwaters AT hawkridge.org www.hawkridge.org Are you a member of Hawk Ridge? Join us! "I'm an early bird and I'm a night owl, so I'm wise and I have worms." - Michael Scott, The Office archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: burrowing owls From: Lois Balin <Lois.Balin AT TPWD.STATE.TX.US> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:15:36 -0500 Hello all, Can anyone recommend what type and where to purchase auxiliary field-readable bands (with numbers) I can use for burrowing owls? Thanks, Lois Balin, Urban Wildlife Biologist Texas Parks & Wildlife Department 200 N. Clark Drive El Paso, TX 79905 915-774-9603 915-774-9823 fax archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: banding pliers? From: Debbie Waters <dwaters AT HAWKRIDGE.ORG> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:46:57 -0500 Hi folks, Due to an unfortunate burglary in our storage unit, I have the opportunity to purchase all new banding tools! I'm happy with all the equipment I've been using with the exception of the banding pliers. I need to replace both small and large pliers, for bands size 0A to 3. If you are happy with yours, I'd love to know what brand/model they are and where to purchase them. Especially if you LOVE yours. ;-) The ones I had got "sticky" after only a year of minimal use. No matter what I did to improve their function, they just didn't work smoothly. Thanks, Debbie p.s. We'd appreciate everyone keeping their eyes open for any equipment marked "HRBO". Not sure how the thieves are planning to pawn 85 pairs of binoculars painted with "HRBO" all over them, but you never know. ____________________________ Debbie Waters Education Director Hawk Ridge Bird Observatory P.O. Box 3006 Duluth, MN 55803-3006 218.428.3539 dwaters AT hawkridge.org www.hawkridge.org Are you a member of Hawk Ridge? Join us! "I'm an early bird and I'm a night owl, so I'm wise and I have worms." - Michael Scott, The Office archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Migration picks up behind storm front From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 00:16:38 -0500 Radar tonight (Monday) shows apparent migratory movement in the Dakotas and Nebraska as a storm front moves across the middle of the country. Tuesday should find migrants showing up across much of the upper midwest. Radar image at: http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org _______________________________________________ mnbird mailing list mnbird AT lists.mnbird.net http://lists.mnbird.net/mailman/listinfo/mnbird Unsubscribe: %(user_optionsurl)s Subject: Migration picks up behind storm front From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 00:16:38 -0500 Radar tonight (Monday) shows apparent migratory movement in the Dakotas and Nebraska as a storm front moves across the middle of the country. Tuesday should find migrants showing up across much of the upper midwest. Radar image at: http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Migration picks up behind storm front From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 00:16:38 -0500 Radar tonight (Monday) shows apparent migratory movement in the Dakotas and Nebraska as a storm front moves across the middle of the country. Tuesday should find migrants showing up across much of the upper midwest. Radar image at: http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org #################### You received this email because you are subscribed to the Wisconsin Birding Network (Wisbirdn). To UNSUBSCRIBE or SUBSCRIBE, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: http://www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. To set DIGEST or VACATION modes, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: http://www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. Visit Wisbirdn ARCHIVES at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/wisbirdn. Subject: Re: mystery nestling From: John and Sue Gregoire <khmo AT EMPACC.NET> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 08:30:41 -0400 Hyperlink didn't work for us. Please forward. From the mouth pattern and coloration the nestling appears to be a member of the cuckoo family. Black-billed mouth pattern most closely approximates this photo although there are some slight differences. John -- Dr. John and Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett,NY 14818-9626 Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/ "Conserve and Create Habitat" On Sun, August 22, 2010 17:59, David Rintoul wrote: > Greetings > > Here is a link to some images of a nestling found this month in Topeka, > KS. The wildlife rehabber who received the bird would like to know what > it is, and I hope that someone here can help. The link has a hyperlink > that will allow you to send comments or suggestions directly to the > rehabber. Any and all help will be appreciated. > > http://www.davidrintoul.com/nestling/ > > Thanks > > Dave > > David A. Rintoul, Ph.D > Interim Director > Biology Division - Kansas State University > Manhattan KS 66506 > > archives and subscription options can be found at: > http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html > archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Banding fall migrants From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 15:23:11 -0500 Hello all - After a summer that didn't see me in the field as much as I'd hoped, yesterday was the first fall banding session at Carver Park in Victoria, Minnesota. With summer winding down and fall approaching the birding is picking up. We had a very busy morning with 47 individuals of 14 species yesterday including 5 warbler species. Some pictures and the totals can be found at: http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Numbers should continue to increase for the foreseeable future. Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org _______________________________________________ mnbird mailing list mnbird AT lists.mnbird.net http://lists.mnbird.net/mailman/listinfo/mnbird Unsubscribe: %(user_optionsurl)s Subject: Hilton Pond 08/11/10 (New River Hummingbirds) From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:20:48 -0400 We wandered off to the Mountain State this past week for the first-ever New River Hummingbird Festival in Fayette County WV. For an account of what this was all about, please see our "This Week at Hilton Pond" photo essay for 11-21 August 2010 at http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek100811.html While there don't forget to scroll down for a list of birds banded and recaptured back at Hilton Pond, as well as miscellaneous nature notes and an acknowledgement of recent donors. Happy (Still Hot!) Nature Watching! BILL ========= RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA office & cell (803) 684-5852 fax (803) 684-0255 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ================== archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Re: Metro Beach banding report - August 18, 2010 From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1 AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 19:59:29 -0400 Barry, Your approach of questioning first rather than assuming was appreciated, and it is also reassuring that number of people confused by the wording on my blog so far is only two... Allen T. Chartier amazilia1(at)comcast.net Inkster, Michigan, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Lancaster" To: "Allen T. Chartier" ; Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] Metro Beach banding report - August 18, 2010 > John, > Upon re-reading your blog, I can see what you intended to write but > actually > did not. The use of the past tense would have solved > this. Just as perhaps I should have stated American Goldfinch :-) > > I very carefully worded my question so as not to cause offence. I trust > none > was taken. > > Barry > > M B Lancaster > Currently- Oliver, BC, Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allen T. Chartier" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 3:37 PM > Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] Metro Beach banding report - August 18, 2010 > > >> Barry, >> >> Your message is not clear to which bird you're referring to, but I >> presume >> it is the foreign recapture of American Goldfinch that was wearing a band >> on its left leg. My blog does not state that the bird had a band on both >> legs, or that I even put a band on it at all, it states that it was >> banded >> on the left leg when captured. I always band on the right leg, but rarely >> will band on the left if only the right leg is symtomatic of pox (no band >> if both legs are), for example. The bander who banded this goldfinch >> bands >> on the left leg, but she's right handed. To each his own. >> >> So, there is no problem here, and no difficulty in reporting, though I do >> not use Bandit as it generates thousands of errors that need fixing when >> old data is imported, which I have no time to fix. I'm waiting for the >> program to work properly before switching from BandManager. >> >> Allen T. Chartier >> amazilia1(at)comcast.net >> Inkster, Michigan, USA >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "M Lancaster" >> To: "Allen T. Chartier" ; >> >> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 4:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] Metro Beach banding report - August 18, 2010 >> >> >>> Having caught a bird with a band on a leg, apart from the band being in >>> such a state that it warranted removal and re-banding, why was the bird >>> also banded on the other leg? If the bird now has two bands, is there >>> not >>> a difficulty in reporting - how does one for example enter the data in >>> Bandit? >>> >>> Many left-handed banders band birds on the left leg ( I am not left >>> handed) and I also use the left leg with colour combinations for unique >>> identification. >>> >>> Just curious. >>> >>> Barry >>> M B Lancaster >>> Currently- Oliver, BC, Canada >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Allen T. Chartier" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 6:40 PM >>> Subject: [BIRDBAND] Metro Beach banding report - August 18, 2010 >>> >>> >>>> Birders and Banders, >>>> >>>> I have updated my blog with results, photos, and highlights from a >>>> banding session on August 18 at Metro Beach Metropark, Macomb Co., >>>> Michigan. Warblers have arrived, and there is a good selection of >>>> photos, as well as an oddly-plumaged Yellow Warbler, and a very >>>> interesting "foreign recapture". >>>> >>>> Check out the blog at: http://tinyurl.com/m5vcl2 >>>> >>>> Allen T. Chartier >>>> amazilia1(at)comcast.net >>>> Inkster, Michigan, USA >>>> >>>> archives and subscription options can be found at: >>>> http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html >>> >> >> archives and subscription options can be found at: >> http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html > archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: mystery nestling From: David Rintoul <drintoul AT KSU.EDU> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:59:26 -0500 Greetings Here is a link to some images of a nestling found this month in Topeka, KS. The wildlife rehabber who received the bird would like to know what it is, and I hope that someone here can help. The link has a hyperlink that will allow you to send comments or suggestions directly to the rehabber. Any and all help will be appreciated. http://www.davidrintoul.com/nestling/ Thanks Dave David A. Rintoul, Ph.D Interim Director Biology Division - Kansas State University Manhattan KS 66506 archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Re: Metro Beach banding report - August 18, 2010 From: M Lancaster <mbl.tenbel AT GOOGLEMAIL.COM> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 14:51:47 -0700 Oops ! apologies Allen, long morning in the field. Barry M B Lancaster Currently- Oliver, BC, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen T. Chartier" To: Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] Metro Beach banding report - August 18, 2010 > Barry, > > Your message is not clear to which bird you're referring to, but I presume > it is the foreign recapture of American Goldfinch that was wearing a band > on its left leg. My blog does not state that the bird had a band on both > legs, or that I even put a band on it at all, it states that it was banded > on the left leg when captured. I always band on the right leg, but rarely > will band on the left if only the right leg is symtomatic of pox (no band > if both legs are), for example. The bander who banded this goldfinch bands > on the left leg, but she's right handed. To each his own. > > So, there is no problem here, and no difficulty in reporting, though I do > not use Bandit as it generates thousands of errors that need fixing when > old data is imported, which I have no time to fix. I'm waiting for the > program to work properly before switching from BandManager. > > Allen T. Chartier > amazilia1(at)comcast.net > Inkster, Michigan, USA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M Lancaster" > To: "Allen T. Chartier" ; > > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 4:08 PM > Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] Metro Beach banding report - August 18, 2010 > > >> Having caught a bird with a band on a leg, apart from the band being in >> such a state that it warranted removal and re-banding, why was the bird >> also banded on the other leg? If the bird now has two bands, is there not >> a difficulty in reporting - how does one for example enter the data in >> Bandit? >> >> Many left-handed banders band birds on the left leg ( I am not left >> handed) and I also use the left leg with colour combinations for unique >> identification. >> >> Just curious. >> >> Barry >> M B Lancaster >> Currently- Oliver, BC, Canada >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Allen T. Chartier" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 6:40 PM >> Subject: [BIRDBAND] Metro Beach banding report - August 18, 2010 >> >> >>> Birders and Banders, >>> >>> I have updated my blog with results, photos, and highlights from a >>> banding session on August 18 at Metro Beach Metropark, Macomb Co., >>> Michigan. Warblers have arrived, and there is a good selection of >>> photos, as well as an oddly-plumaged Yellow Warbler, and a very >>> interesting "foreign recapture". >>> >>> Check out the blog at: http://tinyurl.com/m5vcl2 >>> >>> Allen T. Chartier >>> amazilia1(at)comcast.net >>> Inkster, Michigan, USA >>> >>> archives and subscription options can be found at: >>> http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html >> > > archives and subscription options can be found at: > http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Re: Metro Beach banding report - August 18, 2010 From: M Lancaster <mbl.tenbel AT GOOGLEMAIL.COM> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 14:20:38 -0700 John, Upon re-reading your blog, I can see what you intended to write but actually did not. The use of the past tense would have solved this. Just as perhaps I should have stated American Goldfinch :-) I very carefully worded my question so as not to cause offence. I trust none was taken. Barry M B Lancaster Currently- Oliver, BC, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen T. Chartier" To: Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] Metro Beach banding report - August 18, 2010 > Barry, > > Your message is not clear to which bird you're referring to, but I presume > it is the foreign recapture of American Goldfinch that was wearing a band > on its left leg. My blog does not state that the bird had a band on both > legs, or that I even put a band on it at all, it states that it was banded > on the left leg when captured. I always band on the right leg, but rarely > will band on the left if only the right leg is symtomatic of pox (no band > if both legs are), for example. The bander who banded this goldfinch bands > on the left leg, but she's right handed. To each his own. > > So, there is no problem here, and no difficulty in reporting, though I do > not use Bandit as it generates thousands of errors that need fixing when > old data is imported, which I have no time to fix. I'm waiting for the > program to work properly before switching from BandManager. > > Allen T. Chartier > amazilia1(at)comcast.net > Inkster, Michigan, USA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M Lancaster" > To: "Allen T. Chartier" ; > > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 4:08 PM > Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] Metro Beach banding report - August 18, 2010 > > >> Having caught a bird with a band on a leg, apart from the band being in >> such a state that it warranted removal and re-banding, why was the bird >> also banded on the other leg? If the bird now has two bands, is there not >> a difficulty in reporting - how does one for example enter the data in >> Bandit? >> >> Many left-handed banders band birds on the left leg ( I am not left >> handed) and I also use the left leg with colour combinations for unique >> identification. >> >> Just curious. >> >> Barry >> M B Lancaster >> Currently- Oliver, BC, Canada >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Allen T. Chartier" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 6:40 PM >> Subject: [BIRDBAND] Metro Beach banding report - August 18, 2010 >> >> >>> Birders and Banders, >>> >>> I have updated my blog with results, photos, and highlights from a >>> banding session on August 18 at Metro Beach Metropark, Macomb Co., >>> Michigan. Warblers have arrived, and there is a good selection of >>> photos, as well as an oddly-plumaged Yellow Warbler, and a very >>> interesting "foreign recapture". >>> >>> Check out the blog at: http://tinyurl.com/m5vcl2 >>> >>> Allen T. Chartier >>> amazilia1(at)comcast.net >>> Inkster, Michigan, USA >>> >>> archives and subscription options can be found at: >>> http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html >> > > archives and subscription options can be found at: > http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Banding fall migrants From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 15:23:11 -0500 Hello all - After a summer that didn't see me in the field as much as I'd hoped, yesterday was the first fall banding session at Carver Park in Victoria, Minnesota. With summer winding down and fall approaching the birding is picking up. We had a very busy morning with 47 individuals of 14 species yesterday including 5 warbler species. Some pictures and the totals can be found at: http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Numbers should continue to increase for the foreseeable future. Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org #################### You received this email because you are subscribed to the Wisconsin Birding Network (Wisbirdn). To UNSUBSCRIBE or SUBSCRIBE, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: http://www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. To set DIGEST or VACATION modes, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: http://www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. Visit Wisbirdn ARCHIVES at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/wisbirdn. Subject: Banding fall migrants From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 15:23:11 -0500 Hello all - After a summer that didn't see me in the field as much as I'd hoped, yesterday was the first fall banding session at Carver Park in Victoria, Minnesota. With summer winding down and fall approaching the birding is picking up. We had a very busy morning with 47 individuals of 14 species yesterday including 5 warbler species. Some pictures and the totals can be found at: http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Numbers should continue to increase for the foreseeable future. Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: RFI banded Double-Crested Cormorant (DCCO) From: Anthony Hill <anhinga13 AT HOTMAIL.COM> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 21:24:21 -0400 Hello All - A top-notch birder friend of mine spotted a DCCO today and was able to get some information about the 2 bands the bird was wearing. On the right leg, the bird had a field-readable band, black letters on a white background CCK. On the left leg, the bird had a standard US BBL metal band, partial number 868-959_ _. Does anyone recognize this field readable band, or the series on the BBL band? He sent me an excellent digiscoped photo which I could share, along with details of the sighting if anyone can help. Thanks. Anthony Hill S. Hadley, MA, USA archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Re: Metro Beach banding report - August 18, 2010 From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1 AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 18:37:09 -0400 Barry, Your message is not clear to which bird you're referring to, but I presume it is the foreign recapture of American Goldfinch that was wearing a band on its left leg. My blog does not state that the bird had a band on both legs, or that I even put a band on it at all, it states that it was banded on the left leg when captured. I always band on the right leg, but rarely will band on the left if only the right leg is symtomatic of pox (no band if both legs are), for example. The bander who banded this goldfinch bands on the left leg, but she's right handed. To each his own. So, there is no problem here, and no difficulty in reporting, though I do not use Bandit as it generates thousands of errors that need fixing when old data is imported, which I have no time to fix. I'm waiting for the program to work properly before switching from BandManager. Allen T. Chartier amazilia1(at)comcast.net Inkster, Michigan, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Lancaster" To: "Allen T. Chartier" ; Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] Metro Beach banding report - August 18, 2010 > Having caught a bird with a band on a leg, apart from the band being in > such a state that it warranted removal and re-banding, why was the bird > also banded on the other leg? If the bird now has two bands, is there not > a difficulty in reporting - how does one for example enter the data in > Bandit? > > Many left-handed banders band birds on the left leg ( I am not left > handed) and I also use the left leg with colour combinations for unique > identification. > > Just curious. > > Barry > M B Lancaster > Currently- Oliver, BC, Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allen T. Chartier" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 6:40 PM > Subject: [BIRDBAND] Metro Beach banding report - August 18, 2010 > > >> Birders and Banders, >> >> I have updated my blog with results, photos, and highlights from a >> banding session on August 18 at Metro Beach Metropark, Macomb Co., >> Michigan. Warblers have arrived, and there is a good selection of photos, >> as well as an oddly-plumaged Yellow Warbler, and a very interesting >> "foreign recapture". >> >> Check out the blog at: http://tinyurl.com/m5vcl2 >> >> Allen T. Chartier >> amazilia1(at)comcast.net >> Inkster, Michigan, USA >> >> archives and subscription options can be found at: >> http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html > archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Re: Metro Beach banding report - August 18, 2010 From: M Lancaster <mbl.tenbel AT GOOGLEMAIL.COM> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 13:08:13 -0700 Having caught a bird with a band on a leg, apart from the band being in such a state that it warranted removal and re-banding, why was the bird also banded on the other leg? If the bird now has two bands, is there not a difficulty in reporting - how does one for example enter the data in Bandit? Many left-handed banders band birds on the left leg ( I am not left handed) and I also use the left leg with colour combinations for unique identification. Just curious. Barry M B Lancaster Currently- Oliver, BC, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen T. Chartier" To: Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 6:40 PM Subject: [BIRDBAND] Metro Beach banding report - August 18, 2010 > Birders and Banders, > > I have updated my blog with results, photos, and highlights from a banding > session on August 18 at Metro Beach Metropark, Macomb Co., Michigan. > Warblers have arrived, and there is a good selection of photos, as well as > an oddly-plumaged Yellow Warbler, and a very interesting "foreign > recapture". > > Check out the blog at: http://tinyurl.com/m5vcl2 > > Allen T. Chartier > amazilia1(at)comcast.net > Inkster, Michigan, USA > > archives and subscription options can be found at: > http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Metro Beach banding report - August 18, 2010 From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1 AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 21:40:43 -0400 Birders and Banders, I have updated my blog with results, photos, and highlights from a banding session on August 18 at Metro Beach Metropark, Macomb Co., Michigan. Warblers have arrived, and there is a good selection of photos, as well as an oddly-plumaged Yellow Warbler, and a very interesting "foreign recapture". Check out the blog at: http://tinyurl.com/m5vcl2 Allen T. Chartier amazilia1(at)comcast.net Inkster, Michigan, USA archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Any hummingbird banders in NW Ohio? From: Jackie Augustine <jaugustine AT LIMA.OHIO-STATE.EDU> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:56:01 -0400 Hello everyone, I have my master banding permit, but I would like to add hummingbirds to the permit. I have been running a breeding bird banding station and have caught quite a few hummingbirds this summer. My ultimate goal is to monitor survival of birds in various habitats using mark-recapture techniques. I have no hummingbird training now, so I am in need of one or two hummingbird banders who wouldn't mind me tagging along, so I could learn the techniques. Thanks, -Jackie Dr. Jackie Augustine Assistant Professor The Ohio State University at Lima 4240 Campus Dr., LL330 Lima, OH 45804 Augustine.63 AT osu.edu 419-995-8237 archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Metro Beach banding report - August 14, 2010 From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1 AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 07:30:36 -0400 Birders and Banders, On Saturday, August 14, we operated the banding station at Metro Beach Metropark, Macomb Co., Michigan for the first full day of the fall banding season. Highlights included the first hummingbirds and first migrant warblers of the season, and an interesting recapture. Check out the blog at: http://tinyurl.com/m5vcl2 Allen T. Chartier amazilia1(at)comcast.net Inkster, Michigan, USA archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Metro Beach Banding Report - August 7, 2010 From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1 AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:34:43 -0400 Birders and Banders, On Saturday, August 7, a team of volunteers and I re-opened the net lanes at Metro Beach Metropark, Macomb Co., Michigan in preparation for the fall banding season. After a lot of work, the nets were opened briefly and a few birds captured and banded. I have posted a brief summary of the day on my blog. The plan is to have enough volunteers come out (two needed per day) to operate the station two days a week from now until the end of October. Check out the blog at: http://tinyurl.com/m5vcl2 Allen T. Chartier amazilia1(at)comcast.net Inkster, Michigan, USA archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Re: empidonax vocalising in hand From: Tom Koronkiewicz <tkoronkiewicz AT SWCA.COM> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 09:15:25 -0700 I have had E. traillii vocalize (primary song) while in the bird bag. Tom Koronkiewicz SWCA Environmental Consultants 114 N. San Francisco Street Flagstaff, Arizona 86001 office 928.774.5500 ext 201 fax 928.779.2709 -----Original Message----- From: Bird Bander's Forum [mailto:BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On Behalf Of Manuel Grosselet Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:24 AM To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Subject: [BIRDBAND] empidonax vocalising in hand One questions, did you know one species of Empidonax who vocal Hi Guys One questions, did you know one species of Empidonax who vocalize regularly during the handling process?? I ask that because, in México the White throated do (14 samples), and I would like to use this caracteristic as describitive I know there are lot of individual variation, but all my WTFL was emiting calls. Let me know, I am probably wrong Manuel www.tierradeaves.com __________________________________________________ Correo Yahoo! Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! Regístrate ya - http://correo.yahoo.com.mx/ archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Re: empidonax vocalising in hand From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1 AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:36:56 -0400 Manuel, I have had Least, Yellow-bellied, and Traill's (Willow/Alder) vocalize in-hand, and have recorded these sounds. My recordings were sent to Cornell years ago, and are being used by Arch McCallum for some of his research. They are not calls one hears in the wild and all are virtually identical to my ear, but apparently can be distinguished using sonograms. The sound is a plaintive "pweee" similar to one call of Yellow-bellied, but as I discovered, all four species make a very similar vocalization in-hand. In my experience, the longer it took to extract an Empid from a mist net, the more likely it was to vocalize. Over the years, as I've gotten more efficient in extracting birds (and Empids don't often get badly tangled), I have heard fewer Empids vocalize in-hand. So, in my opinion, I'd not use the fact that an Empid vocalizes in-hand for anything important, like identification... Allen T. Chartier amazilia1(at)comcast.net Inkster, Michigan, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Manuel Grosselet" To: Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 11:24 AM Subject: [BIRDBAND] empidonax vocalising in hand One questions, did you know one species of Empidonax who vocal Hi Guys One questions, did you know one species of Empidonax who vocalize regularly during the handling process?? I ask that because, in México the White throated do (14 samples), and I would like to use this caracteristic as describitive I know there are lot of individual variation, but all my WTFL was emiting calls. Let me know, I am probably wrong Manuel www.tierradeaves.com __________________________________________________ Correo Yahoo! Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! Regístrate ya - http://correo.yahoo.com.mx/ archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: empidonax vocalising in hand From: Manuel Grosselet <birdinnet AT YAHOO.COM.MX> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 08:24:07 -0700 One questions, did you know one species of Empidonax who vocal Hi Guys One questions, did you know one species of Empidonax who vocalize regularly during the handling process?? I ask that because, in México the White throated do (14 samples), and I would like to use this caracteristic as describitive I know there are lot of individual variation, but all my WTFL was emiting calls. Let me know, I am probably wrong Manuel www.tierradeaves.com __________________________________________________ Correo Yahoo! Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! Regístrate ya - http://correo.yahoo.com.mx/ archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Hilton Pond 08/01/10 (Land Between the Lakes) From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 21:21:30 -0400 Hummingbirds must like it hot, for there were tons of them in sweltering 90-degree-plus weather at Land Between the Lakes this week when we went out for annual Hummingbird Festival at Woodlands Nature Station in Kentucky. We did see lots of hummers--including one with an interesting foot problem--but also encountered plenty of other birds, mammals, and insects worth showing to Ernesto Carman Jr., our Costa Rican guide who's been visiting "This Week at Hilton Pond." For a look at what Ernesto saw (plus one of his tropical hummer images), please visit our photo essay for 1-10 August 2010 at http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek100801.html . Don't forget to scroll down for a list of birds banded or recaptured at Hilton Pond during the period. There's also a nature note and acknowledgement for our most recent contributors. Happy (Hot) Nature Watching! BILL ========= RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA office & cell (803) 684-5852 fax (803) 684-0255 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ================== archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: recapturing known age Inca Doves From: Mary Gustafson <live4birds AT AOL.COM> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:07:46 -0400 I'd be interested in corresponding off list with anyone who recaptures known age Inca Doves, to help test a possible new ageing criterion. Please respond to me directly at live4birds AT aol.com. Mary Gustafson Mission, Texas archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Re: FW: patagially-marked "seagull" From: H Thomas Bartlett <hthomas.bartlett AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 19:23:37 -0400 One site that you may want to check (besides the Bird Banding Lab) is: http://report.bandedbirds.org/ Although the site is mainly for shorebirds, several gull species are listed. Tom Bartlett On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Stacy Hanks wrote: > I know that Massachusetts DCR (department of conservation and recreation) > has tagged gulls in this manner for a water protection gull study. We have > had a few show up in Connecticut. This is the link for info: > http://www.mass.gov/dcr/watersupply/watershed/study/index.htm > Stacy Hanks > Milford, CT > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Ingold, James" > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:07 PM > To: > Subject: [BIRDBAND] FW: patagially-marked "seagull" > > fyi >> >> >> >> From: ORNITH-L: the scientific discussion of Ornithology [mailto: >> ORNITH-L AT SI-LISTSERV.SI.EDU] On Behalf Of Randy Lauff >> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 8:36 AM >> To: ORNITH-L AT SI-LISTSERV.SI.EDU >> Subject: patagially-marked "seagull" >> >> >> >> All, >> >> >> >> A colleage (a cell biologist - so forgive the vagueness in this report) >> came into work and noted that one of the retired priests on campus was >> feeding pigeons and gulls; one of the so-called "seagulls" had a yellow >> patagial tag with a three-digit code on it. Given the range of species we >> have here, it was likely either a Ring-billed Gull or Herring Gull. >> >> >> >> I have alerted the birders on campus and in the area to be alert for this >> bird, so we can get the number and species. Is there anyone on the list who >> is doing such work, and whose bird this may be? I'd like to give the local >> birders some more background, if possible. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Randy >> >> >> >> This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee(s) and may >> contain information that is PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, and/or EXEMPT FROM >> DISCLOSURE under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you >> are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of >> the information contained herein is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received >> this communication in error, please destroy all copies of the message, >> whether in electronic or hard copy format, as well as attachments and >> immediately contact the sender by replying to this email. >> >> ________________________ >> >> >> >> R.F. Lauff >> >> Department of Biology >> >> St. Francis Xavier University >> >> 2320 Notre Dame Avenue >> >> Antigonish, NS B2G 2W5 >> >> >> >> (902) 867-2471 rlauff AT stfx.ca >> >> (902) 867-2389 (fax) >> >> >> >> http://people.stfx.ca/rlauff/lauff.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> archives and subscription options can be found at: >> http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html >> > > archives and subscription options can be found at: > http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html > -- H. Thomas Bartlett Tiffin, Ohio hthomas.bartlett AT gmail.com archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Re: FW: patagially-marked "seagull" From: Stacy Hanks <flybird AT OPTONLINE.NET> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 18:32:00 -0400 I know that Massachusetts DCR (department of conservation and recreation) has tagged gulls in this manner for a water protection gull study. We have had a few show up in Connecticut. This is the link for info: http://www.mass.gov/dcr/watersupply/watershed/study/index.htm Stacy Hanks Milford, CT -------------------------------------------------- From: "Ingold, James" Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:07 PM To: Subject: [BIRDBAND] FW: patagially-marked "seagull" > fyi > > > > From: ORNITH-L: the scientific discussion of Ornithology > [mailto:ORNITH-L AT SI-LISTSERV.SI.EDU] On Behalf Of Randy Lauff > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 8:36 AM > To: ORNITH-L AT SI-LISTSERV.SI.EDU > Subject: patagially-marked "seagull" > > > > All, > > > > A colleage (a cell biologist - so forgive the vagueness in this report) > came into work and noted that one of the retired priests on campus was > feeding pigeons and gulls; one of the so-called "seagulls" had a yellow > patagial tag with a three-digit code on it. Given the range of species we > have here, it was likely either a Ring-billed Gull or Herring Gull. > > > > I have alerted the birders on campus and in the area to be alert for this > bird, so we can get the number and species. Is there anyone on the list > who is doing such work, and whose bird this may be? I'd like to give the > local birders some more background, if possible. > > > > Thanks, > > Randy > > > > This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee(s) and may > contain information that is PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, and/or EXEMPT FROM > DISCLOSURE under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, > you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use > of the information contained herein is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you > received this communication in error, please destroy all copies of the > message, whether in electronic or hard copy format, as well as attachments > and immediately contact the sender by replying to this email. > > ________________________ > > > > R.F. Lauff > > Department of Biology > > St. Francis Xavier University > > 2320 Notre Dame Avenue > > Antigonish, NS B2G 2W5 > > > > (902) 867-2471 rlauff AT stfx.ca > > (902) 867-2389 (fax) > > > > http://people.stfx.ca/rlauff/lauff.html > > > > > > > > archives and subscription options can be found at: > http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Re: Fwd: [BIRDBAND] RFI on an ethical issue From: Lyndon Kearsley <lkearsley AT PANDORA.BE> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 17:57:02 +0200 Hi Cindy, "everything within 100 miles of his home is "his backyard"" pretty well describes the country I live in, Belgium. Which is a small place by anyones standard. We have around 250 banders in that area. The upside is that we have allot of "foreign" controls. We do luckily work closely together ;-) I hope Mr B comes around and starts playing a team game. regards Lyndon On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Cindy Cartwright wrote: > Sheri, > > I have a similar problem but no answer. Here is another difficult > situation. > > Bander A (me) asked Bander B several times between September and April > where he planned to band the following year because Bander C (a new bander) > was looking for sites and waiting for an answer. Each time Bander B was > asked, the answer was always "I haven't decided yet". > > In April, I recommended that Bander C go ahead and choose some sites > because the banding season was beginning. I told him to stay away from one > Conservation Area where there was an ongoing, long term study. Bander C > asked for, and was given permission by Site Managers to band at two other > locations, each about 30 miles from the long term study site. > > Bander B became very angry when he found out about the sites. There were > many nasty emails and nothing but bad feelings since. He stated that Bander > C had infringed on his territory (the entire county) because he had banded a > couple of times in the past at one site and he "planned" to band at the > other site sometime in the future. > > When I called to clarify, the Site Manager at one site told me that Bander > B had given banding demonstrations there once or twice before, but he had > not heard anything from Bander B about returning and he felt there was no > reason there couldn't be two banders there if Bander B did decide to return > for a day. The Site Manager at the other site stated that she had never > been asked for permission to band there by anyone prior to Bander C. > > None of the solutions offered so far seem to fit this situation. > Communication was blocked by Bander B. There was no long term study at > either site. All equipment was removed at the end of each banding session. > The Site Manager did not feel there would be a problem and did not have a > preference for one bander or the other. The banders would not even have > been present on the same day. > > How can you avoid this when one bander claims that everything within 100 > miles of his home is "his backyard"? > > Cindy Cartwright > Ontario Hummingbird Project > Ontario, Canada > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick > To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 4:27 PM > Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] Fwd: [BIRDBAND] RFI on an ethical issue > > > I still don't really see an issue. If Bander B was planning to take down > or otherwise interfere with Bander A's equipment, that's unacceptable in my > opinion, but otherwise, why can't two people be doing the same thing at the > same time? Maybe it's just my station, but the way I'm set up, I can't > really imagine why/how another bander doing their own thing would be > interfering with my research just due to their presence. It seems like more > of a territoriality issue than anything else. > > My only concern would be the health of the birds, for instance, if a > hummingbird is getting caught many times a day because of an excess of nets > in one area. Additionally, it might be somewhat annoying to deal with > recaps from the other bander, but as long as the two banders communicated > and told each other their band numbers, any real annoyance can be avoided. > > If you worry there's going to be a problem, communication is key. Talk to > the other bander, talk to the landowner and see if you can all work out > something that makes you all happy. > > Good luck. > > Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick > Raccoon Ridge Bird Observatory, NJ > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wood/Williamson > To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU > Sent: Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:02 pm > Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] Fwd: [BIRDBAND] RFI on an ethical issue > > > Allow me to clarify a couple of points: > > * The land owner/manager absolutely has the last word on who gets to use > the property (though one would hope that issues of priority and/or > interference between the two projects would be considered in making the > decision). I didn't intend to put landowners' decisions under scrutiny here. > > * This scenario involves two projects that are virtually identical in > site, timing, taxa, and capture methods. I agree that projects involving > different taxa or sufficiently isolated trapping locations (on larger > properties) wouldn't be likely to interfere with one another's results and > so shouldn't raise any ethical issues. > > Sheri Williamson, Director > Southeastern Arizona Bird Observatory > Bisbee, Arizona > sheri AT sabo.org > 520/432-1388 > http://www.sabo.org > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web > site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > > > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web > site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web > site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: FW: patagially-marked "seagull" From: "Ingold, James" <James.Ingold AT LSUS.EDU> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 11:07:55 -0500 fyi From: ORNITH-L: the scientific discussion of Ornithology [mailto:ORNITH-L AT SI-LISTSERV.SI.EDU] On Behalf Of Randy Lauff Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 8:36 AM To: ORNITH-L AT SI-LISTSERV.SI.EDU Subject: patagially-marked "seagull" All, A colleage (a cell biologist - so forgive the vagueness in this report) came into work and noted that one of the retired priests on campus was feeding pigeons and gulls; one of the so-called "seagulls" had a yellow patagial tag with a three-digit code on it. Given the range of species we have here, it was likely either a Ring-billed Gull or Herring Gull. I have alerted the birders on campus and in the area to be alert for this bird, so we can get the number and species. Is there anyone on the list who is doing such work, and whose bird this may be? I'd like to give the local birders some more background, if possible. Thanks, Randy This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee(s) and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, and/or EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this communication in error, please destroy all copies of the message, whether in electronic or hard copy format, as well as attachments and immediately contact the sender by replying to this email. ________________________ R.F. Lauff Department of Biology St. Francis Xavier University 2320 Notre Dame Avenue Antigonish, NS B2G 2W5 (902) 867-2471 rlauff AT stfx.ca (902) 867-2389 (fax) http://people.stfx.ca/rlauff/lauff.html archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Re: link to BirdBand web site From: Jean Bickal <jbickal AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 08:06:57 -0400 Hi Lyndon: I changed the footer on the list and put a link to the Listserv Birdband site where there is a link to subscribe: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html I thought I saved a copy of the webpage but I can't find it. If you want to send me a copy, I'll put it up. Jean On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Lyndon Kearsley wrote: > Hi Walter, > > Yahoo bought out Geocities some years ago and has recently closed it down. > I > have taken a copy of the file and am in the process of placing it on > another > server. URL will follow as soon as the update is complete. > > The instructions for subscribing are: > > Subscription and Posting Options To subscribe to BIRDBAND send a mail to: > listserv AT listserv.arizona.edu As message (no subject line) put: subscribe > BIRDBAND > > > After you subscribe, a listowner has to confirm you to be able to post > messages to the list. This generally takes a few hours to a day depending > on > how often the listowners check their mail. You will get a message saying > that your subscription options have been updated. > > Regards, > > Lyndon Kearsley > > European Co-listowner Birdband > > > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 11:47 PM, SAKAI_WALTER > wrote: > > > Hi - the link to the following does not work (or is it just me). Someone > > is asking me about joining BirdBand. > > > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web > > site: > > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm < > > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm> > > > > Walt > > > > Walter H. Sakai > > Professor of Biology > > Life Sciences Dept., Santa Monica College, 1900 Pico Blvd, Santa Monica, > CA > > 90405 > > Research Associate, Natural History Museum of L.A., Entomology > > Research Associate, Western Foundation of Vertebrate Zoology > > Western Section Editor, North American Bird Bander > > Federal Bird Banding Permit #22030 > > Emails: sakai_walter AT smc.edu, DanauSakai AT aol.com > > Homepage: http://homepage.smc.edu/sakai_walter > > Telephone: 310.434.4702, college direct line > > FAX: 310.434.3624 > > "The best way to learn something is to teach it." > > > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web > > site: > > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > > > > archives and subscription options can be found at: > http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html > archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Re: link to BirdBand web site From: Lyndon Kearsley <lkearsley AT PANDORA.BE> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 00:37:40 +0200 Hi Walter, Yahoo bought out Geocities some years ago and has recently closed it down. I have taken a copy of the file and am in the process of placing it on another server. URL will follow as soon as the update is complete. The instructions for subscribing are: Subscription and Posting Options To subscribe to BIRDBAND send a mail to: listserv AT listserv.arizona.edu As message (no subject line) put: subscribe BIRDBAND After you subscribe, a listowner has to confirm you to be able to post messages to the list. This generally takes a few hours to a day depending on how often the listowners check their mail. You will get a message saying that your subscription options have been updated. Regards, Lyndon Kearsley European Co-listowner Birdband On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 11:47 PM, SAKAI_WALTER wrote: > Hi - the link to the following does not work (or is it just me). Someone > is asking me about joining BirdBand. > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web > site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm < > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm> > > Walt > > Walter H. Sakai > Professor of Biology > Life Sciences Dept., Santa Monica College, 1900 Pico Blvd, Santa Monica, CA > 90405 > Research Associate, Natural History Museum of L.A., Entomology > Research Associate, Western Foundation of Vertebrate Zoology > Western Section Editor, North American Bird Bander > Federal Bird Banding Permit #22030 > Emails: sakai_walter AT smc.edu, DanauSakai AT aol.com > Homepage: http://homepage.smc.edu/sakai_walter > Telephone: 310.434.4702, college direct line > FAX: 310.434.3624 > "The best way to learn something is to teach it." > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web > site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > archives and subscription options can be found at: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html Subject: Re: link to BirdBand web site From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1 AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 20:37:08 -0400 Geocities went out of business more than a year ago... Allen T. Chartier amazilia1(at)comcast.net Inkster, Michigan, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John N. Riggins" To: Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] link to BirdBand web site > > SAKAI_WALTER wrote: >> Hi - the link to the following does not work (or is it just me). Someone >> is asking me about joining BirdBand. >> subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web >> site: >> http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm >> > > Agreed. I too could not reach the site listed at the bottom of group > messages. Here is what I received when I attempted: > > Sorry, the GeoCities web site you were trying to reach is no longer > available. > > John > > -- > > -== JNR ==- > > jnrigg AT myrealbox.com > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web > site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: link to BirdBand web site From: "John N. Riggins" <jnrigg AT MYREALBOX.COM> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 14:27:25 -1000 > SAKAI_WALTER wrote: > Hi - the link to the following does not work (or is it just me). Someone is asking me about joining BirdBand. > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Agreed. I too could not reach the site listed at the bottom of group messages. Here is what I received when I attempted: Sorry, the GeoCities web site you were trying to reach is no longer available. John -- -== JNR ==- jnrigg AT myrealbox.com subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: link to BirdBand web site From: SAKAI_WALTER <SAKAI_WALTER AT SMC.EDU> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 14:47:06 -0700 Hi - the link to the following does not work (or is it just me). Someone is asking me about joining BirdBand. subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Walt Walter H. Sakai Professor of Biology Life Sciences Dept., Santa Monica College, 1900 Pico Blvd, Santa Monica, CA 90405 Research Associate, Natural History Museum of L.A., Entomology Research Associate, Western Foundation of Vertebrate Zoology Western Section Editor, North American Bird Bander Federal Bird Banding Permit #22030 Emails: sakai_walter AT smc.edu, DanauSakai AT aol.com Homepage: http://homepage.smc.edu/sakai_walter Telephone: 310.434.4702, college direct line FAX: 310.434.3624 "The best way to learn something is to teach it." subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: color band for big sparrow From: Manuel Grosselet <birdinnet AT YAHOO.COM.MX> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 08:46:39 -0700 One questions which color band did recommend for Fox Sparrow?? Hi Guys One questions which color band did recommend for Fox Sparrow?? It's for Striped Sparrow...But around the same size... Thanks Manuel www.tierradeaves.com subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Fwd: [BIRDBAND] RFI on an ethical issue From: Cindy Cartwright <pom AT BMTS.COM> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:42:15 -0400 Sheri, I have a similar problem but no answer. Here is another difficult situation. Bander A (me) asked Bander B several times between September and April where he planned to band the following year because Bander C (a new bander) was looking for sites and waiting for an answer. Each time Bander B was asked, the answer was always "I haven't decided yet". In April, I recommended that Bander C go ahead and choose some sites because the banding season was beginning. I told him to stay away from one Conservation Area where there was an ongoing, long term study. Bander C asked for, and was given permission by Site Managers to band at two other locations, each about 30 miles from the long term study site. Bander B became very angry when he found out about the sites. There were many nasty emails and nothing but bad feelings since. He stated that Bander C had infringed on his territory (the entire county) because he had banded a couple of times in the past at one site and he "planned" to band at the other site sometime in the future. When I called to clarify, the Site Manager at one site told me that Bander B had given banding demonstrations there once or twice before, but he had not heard anything from Bander B about returning and he felt there was no reason there couldn't be two banders there if Bander B did decide to return for a day. The Site Manager at the other site stated that she had never been asked for permission to band there by anyone prior to Bander C. None of the solutions offered so far seem to fit this situation. Communication was blocked by Bander B. There was no long term study at either site. All equipment was removed at the end of each banding session. The Site Manager did not feel there would be a problem and did not have a preference for one bander or the other. The banders would not even have been present on the same day. How can you avoid this when one bander claims that everything within 100 miles of his home is "his backyard"? Cindy Cartwright Ontario Hummingbird Project Ontario, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] Fwd: [BIRDBAND] RFI on an ethical issue I still don't really see an issue. If Bander B was planning to take down or otherwise interfere with Bander A's equipment, that's unacceptable in my opinion, but otherwise, why can't two people be doing the same thing at the same time? Maybe it's just my station, but the way I'm set up, I can't really imagine why/how another bander doing their own thing would be interfering with my research just due to their presence. It seems like more of a territoriality issue than anything else. My only concern would be the health of the birds, for instance, if a hummingbird is getting caught many times a day because of an excess of nets in one area. Additionally, it might be somewhat annoying to deal with recaps from the other bander, but as long as the two banders communicated and told each other their band numbers, any real annoyance can be avoided. If you worry there's going to be a problem, communication is key. Talk to the other bander, talk to the landowner and see if you can all work out something that makes you all happy. Good luck. Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick Raccoon Ridge Bird Observatory, NJ -----Original Message----- From: Wood/Williamson To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Sent: Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:02 pm Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] Fwd: [BIRDBAND] RFI on an ethical issue Allow me to clarify a couple of points: * The land owner/manager absolutely has the last word on who gets to use the property (though one would hope that issues of priority and/or interference between the two projects would be considered in making the decision). I didn't intend to put landowners' decisions under scrutiny here. * This scenario involves two projects that are virtually identical in site, timing, taxa, and capture methods. I agree that projects involving different taxa or sufficiently isolated trapping locations (on larger properties) wouldn't be likely to interfere with one another's results and so shouldn't raise any ethical issues. Sheri Williamson, Director Southeastern Arizona Bird Observatory Bisbee, Arizona sheri AT sabo.org 520/432-1388 http://www.sabo.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Fwd: [BIRDBAND] RFI on an ethical issue From: "C. John Ralph" <cjralph AT HUMBOLDT1.COM> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 15:14:44 -0700 Dear Sheri, My sincere sympathy for this situation. It isn't , I'm sure, a fun thing to face. It seems quite clear to me, with the other person using the same capture techniques, there is a ethical issue here, in my opinion. Their operation within a short distance would affect your capture and recapture rate. Our research with mist nets has found essentially no effect if the stations are more than a kilometer apart. Closer and you begin to have a potential problem, and "virtually identical in site" is not a great idea at all. However, a site at least a half km away could provide some fantastic collaborative and corroborative data! If I may be of assistance, let me know. kind regards, c.j. -- -----Dr. C. John Ralph --- U.S. Forest Service, Redwood Sciences Laboratory, Mail address: 1700 Bayview Drive, Arcata, California 95521 Temporary office: 4886 Cottage Grove Ave. McKinleyville, CA 95519 Telephone (cell): (707) 499-9707 (fax: 840-9408) home: 822-2015 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cjralph AT humboldt1.com c.ralph AT humboldt.edu cralph AT fs.fed.us http://www.fs.fed.us/psw/programs/TimberManagement/staff/cralph/ subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Fwd: [BIRDBAND] RFI on an ethical issue From: Richter Museum <richter AT UWGB.EDU> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 16:09:01 -0500 NO!! Bander A has the rights to the site with the landowners permission. If you've started a long term project and suddenly someone else interferes with, biases your information, or disrupts your activities you've lost your project! When working with colonial nest species on population dynamics, which included monitoring nests, eggs, young and fledging, the last thing you want is another party running around your colony disrupting the nesting. For working on colonial fish eating species this type of situation almost never happens as researchers know who is doing what. If you're doing long term population dynamics, say woodland raptors, and you are working state, prvt. or federal land and may even be under contract to do so, you do not want some casual bander to come into one of your study nest sites and disrupt the nesting, and bias the data. The Banding Lab to my knowledge frowns on this, and usually goes with the original bander and their studies. Tom Erdman, Green Bay WI -----Original Message----- From: Bird Bander's Forum [mailto:BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On Behalf Of Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 3:28 PM To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] Fwd: [BIRDBAND] RFI on an ethical issue I still don't really see an issue. If Bander B was planning to take down or otherwise interfere with Bander A's equipment, that's unacceptable in my opinion, but otherwise, why can't two people be doing the same thing at the same time? Maybe it's just my station, but the way I'm set up, I can't really imagine why/how another bander doing their own thing would be interfering with my research just due to their presence. It seems like more of a territoriality issue than anything else. My only concern would be the health of the birds, for instance, if a hummingbird is getting caught many times a day because of an excess of nets in one area. Additionally, it might be somewhat annoying to deal with recaps from the other bander, but as long as the two banders communicated and told each other their band numbers, any real annoyance can be avoided. If you worry there's going to be a problem, communication is key. Talk to the other bander, talk to the landowner and see if you can all work out something that makes you all happy. Good luck. Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick Raccoon Ridge Bird Observatory, NJ -----Original Message----- From: Wood/Williamson To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Sent: Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:02 pm Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] Fwd: [BIRDBAND] RFI on an ethical issue Allow me to clarify a couple of points: * The land owner/manager absolutely has the last word on who gets to use the property (though one would hope that issues of priority and/or interference between the two projects would be considered in making the decision). I didn't intend to put landowners' decisions under scrutiny here. * This scenario involves two projects that are virtually identical in site, timing, taxa, and capture methods. I agree that projects involving different taxa or sufficiently isolated trapping locations (on larger properties) wouldn't be likely to interfere with one another's results and so shouldn't raise any ethical issues. Sheri Williamson, Director Southeastern Arizona Bird Observatory Bisbee, Arizona sheri AT sabo.org 520/432-1388 http://www.sabo.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Fwd: [BIRDBAND] RFI on an ethical issue From: Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick <celticcail AT AOL.COM> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 16:27:57 -0400 I still don't really see an issue. If Bander B was planning to take down or otherwise interfere with Bander A's equipment, that's unacceptable in my opinion, but otherwise, why can't two people be doing the same thing at the same time? Maybe it's just my station, but the way I'm set up, I can't really imagine why/how another bander doing their own thing would be interfering with my research just due to their presence. It seems like more of a territoriality issue than anything else. My only concern would be the health of the birds, for instance, if a hummingbird is getting caught many times a day because of an excess of nets in one area. Additionally, it might be somewhat annoying to deal with recaps from the other bander, but as long as the two banders communicated and told each other their band numbers, any real annoyance can be avoided. If you worry there's going to be a problem, communication is key. Talk to the other bander, talk to the landowner and see if you can all work out something that makes you all happy. Good luck. Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick Raccoon Ridge Bird Observatory, NJ -----Original Message----- From: Wood/Williamson To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Sent: Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:02 pm Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] Fwd: [BIRDBAND] RFI on an ethical issue Allow me to clarify a couple of points: * The land owner/manager absolutely has the last word on who gets to use the property (though one would hope that issues of priority and/or interference between the two projects would be considered in making the decision). I didn't intend to put landowners' decisions under scrutiny here. * This scenario involves two projects that are virtually identical in site, timing, taxa, and capture methods. I agree that projects involving different taxa or sufficiently isolated trapping locations (on larger properties) wouldn't be likely to interfere with one another's results and so shouldn't raise any ethical issues. Sheri Williamson, Director Southeastern Arizona Bird Observatory Bisbee, Arizona sheri AT sabo.org 520/432-1388 http://www.sabo.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: RFI on an ethical issue From: Scott Weidensaul <scottweidensaul AT VERIZON.NET> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 16:06:12 -0400 It's not quite that simple. For example, if Bander A is running a MAPS protocol, based on limited and predictable banding to prevent bias from net-shyness, overlapping banding could seriously screw up the dataset. I can think of several other scenarios in which this would pose a significant problem, especially if the underlying study is targeting survivorship and demographics. One would hope that reasonable, adult conversation would correct the problem, but failing that, I'd fall back on playground rules: First come, first served. A bander should respect the fact that someone else has a pre-existing arrangement with the landowner (and the landowner may need some gentle education on the reasons why more isn't always merrier). Scott Weidensaul Schuylkill Haven, PA > > As longas their banding equipment didn't interfere at all with my >bandingequipment and we were using different areas of the site, I >see no issuewhatsoever. The land belongs to the landowner, not >Bander A. > >If Bander B were asking to use EXACTLY the same area as Bander A, >you'dthink the landowner would realize that and tell them to talk to >BanderA. Two banders cannot use the exact same site unless they are >workingtogether, of course. > >Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick >Raccoon Ridge Bird Observatory, NJ > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Wood/Williamson >To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU >Sent: Mon, Aug 2, 2010 1:42 pm >Subject: [BIRDBAND] RFI on an ethical issue > > >Greetings, colleagues, > >I would like your opinions on a scenario that doesn't seem to be >covered in the existing codes of ethics for banders/ringers: > >Bander A has a long-running project in cooperation with a land >owner/manager. Bander B asks the owner/manager for permission to >begin a similar project at the same site without consulting Bander A. > >How would you handle this if it happened at your study site? > >Thanks in advance, > >Sheri Williamson, Director >Southeastern Arizona Bird Observatory >Bisbee, Arizona >sheri AT sabo.org >520/432-1388 >http://www.sabo.org > >subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: >http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > > > >subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: >http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Fwd: [BIRDBAND] RFI on an ethical issue From: Wood/Williamson <sabobird AT MINDSPRING.COM> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:02:52 -0700 Allow me to clarify a couple of points: * The land owner/manager absolutely has the last word on who gets to use the property (though one would hope that issues of priority and/or interference between the two projects would be considered in making the decision). I didn't intend to put landowners' decisions under scrutiny here. * This scenario involves two projects that are virtually identical in site, timing, taxa, and capture methods. I agree that projects involving different taxa or sufficiently isolated trapping locations (on larger properties) wouldn't be likely to interfere with one another's results and so shouldn't raise any ethical issues. Sheri Williamson, Director Southeastern Arizona Bird Observatory Bisbee, Arizona sheri AT sabo.org 520/432-1388 http://www.sabo.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Fwd: [BIRDBAND] RFI on an ethical issue From: Mark Newstrom <marknewstrom AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 14:01:49 -0500 All -- Landowner should have informed Bander A of Bander B's project, but the two should be able to co-exist; landowner hopefully does not hold bias toward either bander. If the projects are mutually exclusive (e.g. Bander A hummingbirds, Bander B songbirds) then co-existence should be easy; difficulty might increase proportionally with project similarity. Each should report times of presence in the field, any incidental recaptures and other data pertinent to both projects. Continued communications between landowner, Bander A and Bander B is key. -- Mark Newstrom North Central Bird Observatory ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Wood/Williamson Date: Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 12:42 PM Subject: [BIRDBAND] RFI on an ethical issue To: BIRDBAND AT listserv.arizona.edu Greetings, colleagues, I would like your opinions on a scenario that doesn't seem to be covered in the existing codes of ethics for banders/ringers: Bander A has a long-running project in cooperation with a land owner/manager. Bander B asks the owner/manager for permission to begin a similar project at the same site without consulting Bander A. How would you handle this if it happened at your study site? Thanks in advance, Sheri Williamson, Director Southeastern Arizona Bird Observatory Bisbee, Arizona sheri AT sabo.org 520/432-1388 http://www.sabo.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: RFI on an ethical issue From: Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick <celticcail AT AOL.COM> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 14:36:52 -0400 As longas their banding equipment didn't interfere at all with my bandingequipment and we were using different areas of the site, I see no issuewhatsoever. The land belongs to the landowner, not Bander A. If Bander B were asking to use EXACTLY the same area as Bander A, you'dthink the landowner would realize that and tell them to talk to BanderA. Two banders cannot use the exact same site unless they are workingtogether, of course. Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick Raccoon Ridge Bird Observatory, NJ -----Original Message----- From: Wood/Williamson To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Sent: Mon, Aug 2, 2010 1:42 pm Subject: [BIRDBAND] RFI on an ethical issue Greetings, colleagues, I would like your opinions on a scenario that doesn't seem to be covered in the existing codes of ethics for banders/ringers: Bander A has a long-running project in cooperation with a land owner/manager. Bander B asks the owner/manager for permission to begin a similar project at the same site without consulting Bander A. How would you handle this if it happened at your study site? Thanks in advance, Sheri Williamson, Director Southeastern Arizona Bird Observatory Bisbee, Arizona sheri AT sabo.org 520/432-1388 http://www.sabo.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: RFI on an ethical issue From: Jack Clinton Eitniear <jce AT CSTBINC.ORG> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 11:27:19 -0700 Sounds like a communication issue. I would think it would be beneficial to get all three parties together. One on one with the landowner will promote miscommunications. Get together and talk it out! Jack Jack Eitniear jce AT cstbinc.org www.cstbinc.org "We will be known forever by the tracks we leave" Dakota Indian Saying --- On Mon, 8/2/10, Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH) wrote: > From: Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH) > Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] RFI on an ethical issue > To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU > Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 1:00 PM > SHERI . . . > > No question about it. Bander B is ethically and morally but > not legally obligated to talk with bander A before > progressing. > > I would hope the land owner/manager would advise Bander B > that he/she needs to speak with Bander A before new > permission is granted. > > Optimistically, an initial dialog between bander A & > bander B might result in a collaborative effort with synergy > that yields an even better outcome. > > > Hope it works out. > > BILL > > > On Aug 2, 2010, at 1:42 PM, Wood/Williamson wrote: > > > Greetings, colleagues, > > > > I would like your opinions on a scenario that doesn't > seem to be covered in the existing codes of ethics for > banders/ringers: > > > > Bander A has a long-running project in cooperation > with a land owner/manager. Bander B asks the owner/manager > for permission to begin a similar project at the same site > without consulting Bander A. > > > > How would you handle this if it happened at your study > site? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Sheri Williamson, Director > > Southeastern Arizona Bird Observatory > > Bisbee, Arizona > > sheri AT sabo.org > > 520/432-1388 > > http://www.sabo.org > > > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at > the BirdBand web site: > > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > > ========= > > RESEARCH PROGRAM > c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director > Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History > 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA > office & cell (803) 684-5852 > fax (803) 684-0255 > > Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): > Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org > "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org > > ================== > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the > BirdBand web site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: RFI on an ethical issue From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 14:00:54 -0400 SHERI . . . No question about it. Bander B is ethically and morally but not legally obligated to talk with bander A before progressing. I would hope the land owner/manager would advise Bander B that he/she needs to speak with Bander A before new permission is granted. Optimistically, an initial dialog between bander A & bander B might result in a collaborative effort with synergy that yields an even better outcome. Hope it works out. BILL On Aug 2, 2010, at 1:42 PM, Wood/Williamson wrote: > Greetings, colleagues, > > I would like your opinions on a scenario that doesn't seem to be covered in the existing codes of ethics for banders/ringers: > > Bander A has a long-running project in cooperation with a land owner/manager. Bander B asks the owner/manager for permission to begin a similar project at the same site without consulting Bander A. > > How would you handle this if it happened at your study site? > > Thanks in advance, > > Sheri Williamson, Director > Southeastern Arizona Bird Observatory > Bisbee, Arizona > sheri AT sabo.org > 520/432-1388 > http://www.sabo.org > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm ========= RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA office & cell (803) 684-5852 fax (803) 684-0255 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ================== subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: RFI on an ethical issue From: Mara McDonald <mamcdona AT WISC.EDU> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 12:57:34 -0500 I would first ask the landowner what his thinking was when he granter permission. This discussion would help you know whether the landowner had a motive for doing it and if he would back you up if there is a conflict. Then I would approach the other bander whether he knew what you were doing and whether there was some way to "share" the territory. It depends on what you are doing (is it part of a thesis project); whether additional data would be beneficial to the overall project; how the landowner views the two projects (favoring one over the other?). Can you work out some mutually agreeable solution? Else, I would think you had the first claim. Mara McDonald, Madison WI At 10:42 AM -0700 8/2/10, Wood/Williamson wrote: >Greetings, colleagues, > >I would like your opinions on a scenario that doesn't seem to be >covered in the existing codes of ethics for banders/ringers: > >Bander A has a long-running project in cooperation with a land >owner/manager. Bander B asks the owner/manager for permission to >begin a similar project at the same site without consulting Bander A. > >How would you handle this if it happened at your study site? > >Thanks in advance, > >Sheri Williamson, Director >Southeastern Arizona Bird Observatory >Bisbee, Arizona >sheri AT sabo.org >520/432-1388 >http://www.sabo.org > >subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: >http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm -- Mara McDonald, Ph.D. Assistant Administrator Laboratory of Genetics, and J.F. Crow Institute for the Study of Evolution 425-G Henry Mall Rm 1436 University of Wisconsin Madison WI 53706-1580 608-263-8941 (tel) 608-262-2976 (FAX) mamcdona AT wisc.edu http://www.evolution.wisc.edu Biocore Prairie Bird Observatory http://waa.uwalumni.com/lakeshorepreserve/birdbanding.html GENETICS CENTENNIAL SYMPOSIUM MAY 20-22, 2010 http://centennial.genetics.wisc.edu/ subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: RFI on an ethical issue From: Wood/Williamson <sabobird AT MINDSPRING.COM> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 10:42:47 -0700 Greetings, colleagues, I would like your opinions on a scenario that doesn't seem to be covered in the existing codes of ethics for banders/ringers: Bander A has a long-running project in cooperation with a land owner/manager. Bander B asks the owner/manager for permission to begin a similar project at the same site without consulting Bander A. How would you handle this if it happened at your study site? Thanks in advance, Sheri Williamson, Director Southeastern Arizona Bird Observatory Bisbee, Arizona sheri AT sabo.org 520/432-1388 http://www.sabo.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Hummingbird blog update From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1 AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 15:32:52 -0400 Birders, I have just updated my blog with a new posting briefly summarizing summer hummingbird banding activities, particularly July, as well as specific results from the Fourth Annual Michigan Hummingbird Festival held July 31, 2010 at the River Lake Inn. Check out the blog at: http://tinyurl.com/m5vcl2 Allen T. Chartier amazilia1(at)comcast.net Inkster, Michigan, USA subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Hilton Pond 07/08/10 (Big Tree Hurt) From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 18:46:22 -0400 When a massive Southern Red Oak loses a big limb, it can hurt--and we don't just mean the tree--as we learned "This Week at Hilton Pond." To read about a calamity that could have become a catastrophe, please visit out photo essay for 8-21 July 2010 athttp://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek100708.html While there, please don't forget to scroll down for a list of all birds banded and recaptured during the period, plus some miscellaneous notes about hummingbirds such as our oldest ever at Hilton Pond. We also acknowledge donors who recently have been thoughtful in supporting our work. Happy (Hot) Nature Watching! BILL ========= RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA office & cell (803) 684-5852 fax (803) 684-0255 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ================== subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Color marking inquiry From: Robert Welch <welchr AT EXECPC.COM> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 09:47:29 -0500 Greetings fellow bird banders! I am going to submit application in mid August to BBL to use red, yellow and medium green color DARVIC bands on WBNU; DOWO; & HAWO at Sandhill Wildlife Area, located in SW Wood County, WI 20 mi W of Wisconsin Rapids (lat long 0441-0900). Prior to doing so I'm trying to contact other persons doing bird banding in Central Wisconsin, as required, to determine if other banders may be conducting studies on these species and using color bands. Please let me know - affirmative or negative - whether you have issues with me using these colors on these three species! I'd also appreicate it if you could pass this email on to any other banders in Central Wisconsin whom you may be aware of who might be color-banding these species. Thanks! Dick Thiel Coordinator-Sandhill Outdoor Skills Center Department of Natural Resources Sandhill Wildlife Area PO Box 156 Babcock, WI 54413 Phone: 715-884-6333 subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Bird Job Announcement for Starr Ranch Bird Observatory From: "C. John Ralph" <cjralph AT HUMBOLDT1.COM> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 21:11:32 -0700 Dear Folks, Think about this opportunity!! cheers, c.j. Audubon California's 4000-acre Starr Ranch Sanctuary in southeast Orange County, California solicits applicants for positions (2) as seasonal biologist-educator for bird programs. One position extends November 2010 -- March 2011 and the other from April through July 2011. Both positions will integrate long term songbird monitoring into education programs that involve kids and adults in applied avian research. _November 2010 - March 2011_: responsibilities include supervision of volunteers who assist with songbird banding during winter migrant monitoring (Monitoring Overwintering Survival or "MoSI"). Also will do data entry, data summary, and point counts. Will instruct fall and winter /Ecology Programs/, 1-2 hour field research simulations that offer groups of all ages an opportunity to experience nature hands-on as wildlife biologists and plan and instruct a week-end adult bird research camp.. _April - July 2011_: will supervise volunteers who assist with long term songbird banding during breeding season (Monitoring Avian Productivity and Survivorship or "MAPS"). May also conduct spring and summer area searches for songbirds in coastal sage scrub restoration sites, will conduct point counts and enter and summarize data. Will help coordinate volunteers and conduct surveys of the rare Coastal Cactus Wren. Will instruct spring /Ecology Programs /and also /Starr Ranch Junior Biologists/, spring and summer programs for kids ages 8 -- 16, who join the Starr Ranch scientific team to experience how biologists study native animals and habitats. Opportunity to do applied bird research that is integrated into Starr Ranch land management, conservation, and education programs. We seek applicants who wish to contribute to wildland conservation through research-based education and who are enthusiastic, dedicated, organized, self-starting and thorough. Opportunity to live in a private cabin in an oak woodland on our 4000-acre Sanctuary. *Salary*: Commensurate with education and experience plus housing in a private one bedroom cabin. *Qualifications*: Graduate degree preferred in biology or ecology with strong ornithological background and experience. Background in songbird banding, ageing, and sexing as well as other bird monitoring techniques essential. Strong knowledge and interest in birds and bird watching and general natural history of animals and their habitats. 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John Ralph --- U.S. Forest Service, Redwood Sciences Laboratory, Mail address: 1700 Bayview Drive, Arcata, California 95521 Temporary office: 4886 Cottage Grove Ave. McKinleyville, CA 95519 Telephone (cell): (707) 499-9707 (fax: 840-9408) home: 822-2015 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cjralph AT humboldt1.com c.ralph AT humboldt.edu cralph AT fs.fed.us http://www.fs.fed.us/psw/programs/TimberManagement/staff/cralph/ subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: banding stations, data collections, and the Gulf oil crisis From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 21:13:11 -0500 I would also throw out the name of Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar. She has taken great interest in the oil spill and has met with our non-game chief and other specialists (Raptor Center, etc.) to be briefed because of her concern for what might happen to migrant birds form here. Loons seem to especially be of interest. Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN ---- Original Message ---- From: mamcdona AT WISC.EDU To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] banding stations, data collections, and the Gulf oil crisis Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:47:50 -0500 > >Great, Bill! > >Here are the members on the US Senate Science Committee. Boxer from >California may be interested. The Udalls from NM have a family >history of being environmental advocates, and may be a strong >advocate. > >Anyone from NM or CA who would like to contact their Senator? > >Otherwise, I might contact Udall's office. > >Mara >On Jul 22, 2010, at 11:15 AM, Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH) wrote: > >> I believe the Bird Banding Laboratory would have been shut down >long ago were it not for the fact that half the birds banded each >year are waterfowl. We can be grateful to duck and goose hunters, for >it is the various game agencies (federal and state) that use >waterfowl data to assign bag limits and indirectly provide a venue >through which nongame banders are able to operate and submit data. >> >> The North American Banding Council already exists as a consortium >of banding-oriented individuals and organizations. It may be that >what needs to be done is for NABC to find a member of Congress who is >pro-banding (for whatever reason) and assist that member in offering >a bill that increases BBL funding. I should think with hunting >lobbyists on our side we nongame banders could make a strong case for >enhancing BBL, which has long been underfunded and understaffed. (I >personally don't know how BBL staffers are able to do all that they >do on our behalf.) >> >> Anyone have a very close friend in Congress who understands that >bird banding is poised to provide invaluable data post-oil spill? >Timing is very important in that regard, and I don't think we're >talking about millions of dollars to bump the BBL's capabilities up a >notch or two. (Maybe BP should fund it!) >> >> Happy Banding! >> >> BILL >> >> >> On Jul 22, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Mara McDonald wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I've recently been reading The Beak of the Finch about the Grants' >work on Darwin's Finches. They were suitably situated by the 1983 El >Nino to actually measure evolutionary change in their populations, >using some of the same measures some banding stations take (bill >length, depth,width, wingchord, tarsus, etc.). >>> >>> The Biocore Prairie Bird Observatory on the UW-Madison campus has >collected these data for 9 years. Unfortunately, we just operate 1/2 >day through 3 seasons, and don't have an extensive collection of >data. However, we would be able to evaluate changes in some species >due to the oil crisis, assuming the migrants come through the Gulf >corridor. Other stations may be better suited. I suggest that many >of you consider collecting data similar to the Grants from migrants, >so that changes might be documented. This is a critical window of >time for banding stations and BBL to get recognized for the work we >do, and possibly to justify asking for money, both for BBL and for >research at the station level. >>> >>> I have been concerned with BBL's lack of resources, especially >with developing BANDIT. I think we could all argue to our >representatives that more funds need to be invested in BBL (and bird >banding in general) because we are poised to assess major changes in >bird populations due to unforeseen circumstances, like Katrina, BP >oil spill, and a number of other occurrences. I also think this >would be an excellent opportunity for us to use our data collected >over the years as a public service. >>> >>> I am open to constructive feedback and possibly to discussing >collaborations among the banding stations. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> -- >>> Mara McDonald, Ph.D. >>> Assistant Administrator >>> Laboratory of Genetics, and >>> J.F. Crow Institute for the Study of Evolution >>> 425-G Henry Mall Rm 1436 >>> University of Wisconsin >>> Madison WI 53706-1580 >>> >>> 608-263-8941 (tel) >>> 608-262-2976 (FAX) >>> mamcdona AT wisc.edu >>> http://www.evolution.wisc.edu >>> >>> Biocore Prairie Bird Observatory >>> http://waa.uwalumni.com/lakeshorepreserve/birdbanding.html >>> >>> GENETICS CENTENNIAL SYMPOSIUM MAY 20-22, 2010 >>> http://centennial.genetics.wisc.edu/ >>> >>> subscription options and posting rules can be found at the >BirdBand web site: >>> http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm >> >> ========= >> >> RESEARCH PROGRAM >> c/o BILL HILTON JR. 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