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12 Jul Summer hummingbird research in Michigan [Allen Chartier ]
15 May Finally some migration movement in the midwest ["R.D. Everhart" ]
17 Dec Ten years of bird banding at Metro Beach [Allen Chartier ]
28 Oct Metro Beach banding report - October 16-25, 2014 [Allen Chartier ]
19 Oct Last Week's Banding ["R.D. Everhart" ]
18 Oct Interesting Radar from last night ["R.D. Everhart" ]
18 Oct Interesting Radar from last night ["R.D. Everhart" ]
27 Sep Banding Note ["R.D. Everhart" ]
19 Aug Fall Migration Banding ["R.D. Everhart" ]
8 Jun Metro Beach banding station - Spring finale [Allen Chartier ]
2 Jun Metro Beach banding report - May 29 & 31, 2014 [Allen Chartier ]
26 May Metro Beach banding report - May 17-24, 2014 [Allen Chartier ]
24 May Migration still on ["R.D. Everhart" ]
20 May Banding summary from last weekend ["R.D. Everhart" ]
16 May Movement on radar matches wind map ["R.D. Everhart" ]
16 May Movement on radar matches wind map ["R.D. Everhart" ]
14 May Warbler Banding ["R.D. Everhart" ]
15 Apr Fw: News [maren gimpel ]
14 Apr Metro Beach banding station report - April 6 & 9, 2014 [Allen Chartier ]
8 Nov Metro Beach banding station report - October 20 - November 3, 2013 [Allen Chartier ]
29 Oct A few migrants still around ["R.D. Everhart" ]
25 Oct Banding Report ["R.D. Everhart" ]
17 Oct Migrants continue to move through ["R.D. Everhart" ]
12 Oct A bird in the hand...can hurt ["R.D. Everhart" ]
28 Sep Cold Front Moves Birds ["R.D. Everhart" ]
26 Sep Fall Vireos ["R.D. Everhart" ]
28 Sep Cold Front Moves Birds ["R.D. Everhart" ]
17 Sep Interesting Chickadee from Sunday ["R.D. Everhart" ]
16 Sep Sunday morning Bird Banding ["R.D. Everhart" ]
10 Sep Fall Banding Update ["R.D. Everhart" ]
2 Sep Metro Beach banding station report - August 21-31, 2013 [Allen Chartier ]
18 Aug Blog update [Allen Chartier ]
4 May Migration Hot Spots Tonight ["R.D. Everhart" ]
4 May Migration Hot Spots Tonight ["R.D. Everhart" ]
30 Apr Heavy Migration Tonight ["R.D. Everhart" ]
10 Apr Storm holding up migration ["R.D. Everhart" ]
10 Apr Storm holding up migration ["R.D. Everhart" ]
3 Jan Re: Pine Siskins [Lori Schubring ]
3 Jan Re: Pine Siskins [Kim Kreimann ]
03 Jan Pine Siskins [Mara McDonald ]
25 Sep Fall Banding Update ["R.D. Everhart" ]
10 May Banding this past weekend ["R.D. Everhart" ]
15 Apr Oops ["R.D. Everhart" ]
15 Apr Birds using strong winds behind storm Front ["R.D. Everhart" ]
15 Apr Oops ["R.D. Everhart" ]
15 Apr Birds using strong winds behind storm Front ["R.D. Everhart" ]
26 Mar Birds moving north ["R.D. Everhart" ]
26 Mar Birds moving north ["R.D. Everhart" ]
20 Feb February Banding at Lowry Nature Center ["R.D. Everhart" ]
11 Nov Fw: [BIRDBAND] final comments [Jack Clinton Eitniear ]
11 Nov final comments [Ellen Paul ]
11 Nov FW: final comments [Doug Collister ]
10 Nov banding photography query [Yola Monakhov ]
8 Nov Hilton Pond 10/22/11 (White Hummingbirds) ["Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" ]
8 Nov ringing (banding) in Gelderland [Norman Deans van Swelm ]
8 Nov Re: marlene condon (UNCLASSIFIED) ["Stratford, Jeffrey" ]
8 Nov Re: marlene condon (UNCLASSIFIED) ["Voisine, Matthew NAN02" ]
8 Nov Re: Change of Subject- NSWO Recording [Scott Weidensaul ]
8 Nov Re: seconding Derek's comments [John and Sue Gregoire ]
8 Nov Re: seconding Derek's comments [Lyndon Kearsley ]
8 Nov Re: final comments [Lyndon Kearsley ]
8 Nov Re: Father of bird-banding [Rob Robinson ]
8 Nov Re: Important article [ ]
7 Nov Re: Important article [Diana Humple ]
7 Nov marlene condon [Jean Bickal ]
8 Nov seconding Derek's comments [James Cracknell ]
7 Nov Re: seconding Derek's comments [Derek J Matthews ]
7 Nov seconding Derek's comments [Julian Hudson ]
7 Nov Change of Subject- NSWO Recording [George Rowsom ]
7 Nov Re: final comments [Peter Wilkinson ]
7 Nov final comments [Ellen Paul ]
7 Nov FW: [BIRDBAND] final comments [Derek J Matthews ]
7 Nov Re: final comments [James Cracknell ]
7 Nov Re: final comments [Marlene Condon ]
7 Nov Re: Father of bird-banding [Mara McDonald ]
7 Nov Re: final comments [ ]

Subject: Summer hummingbird research in Michigan
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 19:00:57 -0400
Everyone,

Although I've been doing this for 16 years now, there is often little that
occurs that is interesting enough for me to post about our summer
Ruby-throated Hummingbird research. The past couple of weeks have been more
interesting than usual, with some happenings that might surprise you. So I
have updated my blog, with some photos.

Check it out at: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/

Allen T. Chartier
Inkster, Michigan
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Subject: Finally some migration movement in the midwest
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 22:44:10 -0500
I have posted a radar image tonight showing an impressive movement of
birds in the Great Lakes region. I haven't seen it look this heavy in
quite a while. See the image here:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

Saturday could be a banner day in the field!


Roger Everhart
Apple Valley, MN


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Subject: Ten years of bird banding at Metro Beach
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:11:05 -0500
Birders and banders,

I have just posted a short entry to my blog about two final days of banding
at an alternate site within Lake St. Clair Metropark, Macomb County,
Michigan, during November. After 10 years of banding, my site in Pt. Rosa
marsh (Metro Beach banding station) has been flooded out due to successful
restoration of the hydrology of the marsh. As a result, I'll have to find a
new place to band in the park in the future. I have posted totals banded
there from 2004-2014, and compared totals to those banded by my predecessor
Ellie Cox (deceased in 2012) from 1989-1999; during which I was a regular
banding assistant. Several interesting differences can be seen, and a few
species banded in the recent 10 years were not captured previously, and
vice-versa. Also note the lower numbers of thrushes and vireos, and many
warblers during the recent 10 year period. Many factors contributed to
this, including some related to effort and habitat. In the coming months,
I'll be working on a more detailed comparison between these two decades of
banding.

Go to: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/

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Subject: Metro Beach banding report - October 16-25, 2014
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 21:47:30 -0400
Birders and Banders,

I have updated my blog with results and highlights from 4 days of banding
over the past two weeks. Bird numbers are diminishing, but there were some
interesting highlights. Two more days of banding this week will finish the
season.

Go to: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/

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Subject: Last Week's Banding
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 22:18:06 -0500
   For those of you interested, I have posted photos from some of
last week's banding sessions and a complete list of birds banded at
the public program held Saturday at the Lowry Nature Center in Carver
Park near Victoria, Minnesota.
   We have been battling windy days and cool mornings but the birds
keep showing up. I'm afraid this banding season is winding down. If
weather cooperates we might make it into November!

Here's a link to my post:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

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Subject: Interesting Radar from last night
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 07:51:09 -0500
   I was checking out radar returns last night to see if anything was
moving in Minnesota and found that in many places migration is still
pretty heavy. The most interesting area I saw was the north shore of
Lake Superior in Minnesota. The returns seem to show a big movement
of birds across the lake into northern Wisconsin and the U.P. of
Michigan. I posted a shot of the image at:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

  We have a regular banding session today and I will post results on
Sunday.

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Subject: Interesting Radar from last night
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 07:51:09 -0500
http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

  We have a regular banding session today and I will post results on
Sunday.

Roger Everhart
Apple Valley, MN


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Subject: Banding Note
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 08:15:39 -0500
Banding last weekend we saw the beginning of the end of warbler
migration and the ramping up of sparrow movement. Catches were
typical for September. Late warblers and juvenile sparrows dominated.

I'm heading back out this morning but wanted to post a few photos
from last week at:

 http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

More updates to follow.

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Subject: Fall Migration Banding
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 12:12:40 -0500
   We have started our fall bird banding season with last Saturday's
session at the Lowry Nature Center near Victoria, Minnesota. It was a
good day with good diversity. I have posted photos and a list of
birds banded at:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com


  Our next public program will be the 3rd Saturday of September.

Roger Everhart
North Central Bird Observatory
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Subject: Metro Beach banding station - Spring finale
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 15:07:36 -0400
Birders and banders,

I have updated my blog with the results and highlights from the last week
of spring banding at Lake St. Clair Metropark, Macomb Co., Michigan. I have
also included a basic tally of birds banded this season.

Go to: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/

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Subject: Metro Beach banding report - May 29 & 31, 2014
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 22:03:24 -0400
Birders and banders,

I have just updated my blog with results and highlights from two days of
banding last week at Lake St. Clair Metropark, Macomb Co., Michigan.
Probably the biggest highlight was the station's first ever INTERNATIONAL
recapture.

Go to: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/

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Subject: Metro Beach banding report - May 17-24, 2014
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 23:02:26 -0400
Birders and banders,

I have updated my blog with results and highlights from 3 days of bird
banding last week at Lake St. Clair Metropark, Macomb Co., Michigan.
Migrants remain in low numbers, but once again there were a few surprises.

Go to: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/

Allen T. Chartier
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Subject: Migration still on
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 02:31:28 -0500
   I stayed up late to watch the meteor shower tonight which wasn't
as impressive as hoped so I thought I'd take a quick look at radar.
Migration seems to be winding down in the south but the upper
Mississippi River Valley still is showing some movement. Radar image
at:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

  Today was a slow birding day and I suspect the south winds moved
birds north. Hopefully there will be some more birds tomorrow that
are just arriving.

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Subject: Banding summary from last weekend
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 08:57:30 -0500
   We had a great weekend banding. I have posted a summary at:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com


  One of the best migration springs around here for a few years. Wish
it would last longer!

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Subject: Movement on radar matches wind map
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 23:11:42 -0500
   Tonight I was checking the radar returns for migration movement
and noticed that movement was heavy in Texas but almost non-existent
in the southeast. Checking the current winds it was easy to see what
might be causing the difference. Calm winds in Georgia and Florida
are not moving birds but strong wind flow in Texas is pushing lots of
birds north.

   I have posted both types of images for comparison at:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

   Checking the wind map may help predict migration movement in some
areas before radar returns actually show movement. Ya gotta love
technology...

Roger Everhart
Apple valley, MN



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Subject: Movement on radar matches wind map
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 23:11:42 -0500
http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

   Checking the wind map may help predict migration movement in some
areas before radar returns actually show movement. Ya gotta love
technology...

Roger Everhart
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Subject: Warbler Banding
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 09:54:45 -0500
  Since we are finally seeing migrants in good numbers I figured it
was time to put up the nets and see what was around. I wasn't
disappointed.

   I have posted photos of some of the birds caught during last
weekends banding at:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com


   For those of you in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area we will be doing
banding at the Lowry Nature Center in Carver Park near Victoria on
Saturday morning and at Ritter Farm Park in Lakeville on Sunday. Both
programs are from 9-noon. The weather should cooperate for good
banding both days.

Roger Everhart
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Subject: Fw: News
From: maren gimpel <pierre-yves.guenot AT wanadoo.fr>
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2014 02:33:12 +0100
Hi!       

News:  http://evolutionisnotscientific.com/qgyi/link.php

 

maren gimpel

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Subject: Metro Beach banding station report - April 6 & 9, 2014
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 16:46:28 -0400
Birders & banders,

I have updated my blog with results and photo highlights from the first
week of spring banding at Lake St. Clair Metropark, Macomb Co., Michigan.
It was a better than average start, and warmer than expected after the
record-setting winter.

Go to: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/

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Subject: Metro Beach banding station report - October 20 - November 3, 2013
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 15:35:02 -0500
Birders and Banders,

I have updated my blog with highlights, photos, and totals of birds banded
on 5 days between October 20 and November 3, 2013 at Lake St. Clair
Metropark, Macomb Co., Michigan. This is the end of the fall banding season
there, and a brief summary of totals banded will be posted in a few days.

Go to: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/

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Subject: A few migrants still around
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 06:59:23 -0500
  Sat at my banding station Sunday morning trying to stay warm and
was lucky enough to still get a few birds. New for the fall (for me)
were Fox Sparrows. Also had a couple of local residents but the big
surprise (and a non-catch) was the first Northern Shrike of the fall.
Had a chance to watch it hover and hunt the area around my school.
  I thought this might be the last banding of the fall but there is a
chance that next weekend will be OK after a storm system rolls
through on Tuesday and Wednesday. I guess I won't take the equipment
out of the van just yet.

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

Roger Everhart
Apple Valley, MN




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Subject: Banding Report
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 18:15:39 -0500
   I have updated my blog with results from last weekend's banding
sessions. I also have posted a couple of photos along with the update.

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

  The weather reports look like Sunday might be a possible banding
day to see if anything is still moving through. My backyard feeders
have been very busy with juncos and goldfinches. However there is a
good possibility that early next week will see a winter storm moving
through our area.

Good birding and Stay Warm!

Roger Everhart
Apple Valley, MN



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Subject: Migrants continue to move through
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 21:57:24 -0500
I have posted photos and a description of the migrants that I banded
last weekend before the weather started to deteriorate at the link
below. I had some late warblers and some of the expected species for
this time of year. As the weather continues to get colder with rain
possible, birds that are here are probably going to be pushed south.

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

If you are in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota the regularly
scheduled banding program at the Lowry Nature Center in Carver Park
Reserve is this Saturday from 9am to noon. Come out and visit!

Roger Everhart
Apple Valley, MN



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Subject: A bird in the hand...can hurt
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 19:49:09 -0500
  I had the great fortune to catch a Sharp-shinned Hawk while banding
on Friday. I got a couple of nice photos to share at:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

  Also had Nashville Warbler, Hermit Thrush and Golden-crowned
Kinglet. Then the winds grew to hurricane force and I went home. If
the weather is good tomorrow I'm going to band in the morning and
hope the migrants are around.

Roger Everhart
Apple Valley, MN




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Subject: Cold Front Moves Birds
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 22:39:22 -0500
   Radar tonight shows heavy movement behind a cold front crossing
the Upper Mississippi River area. The front brought rain and cold
temps to my area of Minnesota but I suspect it will also bring new
migrants to my yard in the morning.

Radar image at:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

  This could be the first big push of sparrows headed south.

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Subject: Fall Vireos
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 22:17:39 -0500
Last weekend during our banding programs we caught 3 species of
vireo. I have posted photos to show fall plumages of these vireos and
include a short discussion on separating Warbling Vireo from
Philadelphia Vireo.

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

The weather seems like it will cooperate for another weekend of
banding this week. These strong south winds sure are helping the
migrants go south.

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Subject: Cold Front Moves Birds
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 22:39:22 -0500
Radar image at:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

  This could be the first big push of sparrows headed south.

Roger Everhart
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Subject: Interesting Chickadee from Sunday
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 17:33:10 -0500
   Even when the banding is slow a relatively common species like a
Black-capped Chickadee can teach us something. We caught a young bird
that showed heavy fault barring on its tail and wings. I've posted
some photos and a short discussion of this phenomenon at:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com


   Still waiting for a significant movement of birds through my area.
We should be seeing late warblers and early sparrows just about now.
We have banding scheduled both Saturday and Sunday so we're hoping
for good weather.

Roger Everharty
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Subject: Sunday morning Bird Banding
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:13:06 -0500
Hopes for a busy day banding were dashed as a cool cloudy morning
greeted us at the banding site at Ritter Farm Park in Lakeville, MN.
A passing rain storm, while much needed, kept things pretty quiet.
Wind was not helping either.

We did catch a couple of migrating species but never did walk up to
the nets to find little yellow bodies waiting for us. I did post
pictures of 2 of the birds we handled yesterday:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

Hopefully next weekends banding will be busier.

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Subject: Fall Banding Update
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:35:44 -0500
We've been having some unbearably hot weather here in Minnesota
lately but last Sunday there was a break in the heat and I got out to
do a bit of banding. I have posted photos on my blog. It was the
first time we had good numbers of warblers moving through. Monday it
was back to oppressive heat once again.

See what we caught at:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

Temps are predicted to fall as the week progresses. We have a banding
program scheduled for Sunday so I'm hoping for a busy day. I'll keep
everyone posted.

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Subject: Metro Beach banding station report - August 21-31, 2013
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 17:59:50 -0400
Birders and banders,

I have just updated my blog with results, photos, and highlights from 4
days of banding during the last half of August. Warblers are trickling in
slower than expected, and there was a surprise first for the station on the
31st.

To view the blog, go to: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/

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Subject: Blog update
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3 AT gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 13:30:45 -0400
Birders and banders,

I have updated my blog with results, highlights, and photos from four days
of banding conducted during the first half of August. As expected, mostly
young of locally nesting species were banded, though the number banded was
unusually high. And only one individual of a migrant species was banded.
That will change significantly by the end of this month.

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Subject: Migration Hot Spots Tonight
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 23:35:35 -0500
It looks like 2 areas are experiencing heavier migration than most of
the eastern U.S.. South Texas and Wisconsin are really lit up on
radar. Images from approximately 11:30 pm are posted at:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

The large weather system that has been causing all this unusual
weather is finally falling apart so migration for the next week
should pick up in those areas where it has been held back.

If you're in the areas that got snow (14+ inches in some parts of MN
and WI) keep your feeders full, including hummingbird feeders.

Keep looking up,
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Subject: Migration Hot Spots Tonight
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 23:35:35 -0500
It looks like 2 areas are experiencing heavier migration than most of
the eastern U.S.. South Texas and Wisconsin are really lit up on
radar. Images from approximately 11:30 pm are posted at:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

The large weather system that has been causing all this unusual
weather is finally falling apart so migration for the next week
should pick up in those areas where it has been held back.

If you're in the areas that got snow (14+ inches in some parts of MN
and WI) keep your feeders full, including hummingbird feeders.

Keep looking up,
Roger Everhart
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Subject: Heavy Migration Tonight
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 22:52:08 -0500
Radar is indicating heavy movement everywhere in the eastern U.S.
south of a cold front moving across the upper midwest. I have posted
a radar image here:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

Everyone south of the front should notice a significant change in the
birds present in their area by tomorrow morning.

Good Birding,

Roger Everhart
Apple Valley, MN (north of the cold front...)

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Subject: Storm holding up migration
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 01:23:33 -0500
The winter storm moving through the mid-west is really shutting down
migration movement into the northern plains and Great Lakes region.
Heavy movement still appears in south Texas.

I have posted a couple of radar images here:

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Now to see if I can find that shovel I put away...

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Subject: Storm holding up migration
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 01:23:33 -0500
The winter storm moving through the mid-west is really shutting down
migration movement into the northern plains and Great Lakes region.
Heavy movement still appears in south Texas.

I have posted a couple of radar images here:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

Now to see if I can find that shovel I put away...

Roger Everhart
Apple Valley, MN


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Subject: Re: Pine Siskins
From: Lori Schubring <wbuwausau AT gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:25:44 -0600
I suspect that all states from Eastern to Western Canada and the northern
tier of the US, have experienced
the 2012 Eruption of Pine Siskins. The numbers appear to rival the huge
eruption in 2008/9. With that comes
the inevitable problem of too many birds and the culling of the herd by the
spread of Salmonellosis, through their droppings. I'm not a rehabber nor do
I claim to be an expert on the topic but here's what I've learned from my
well educated sources:
What to do:
-- Keep your feeders clean, wipe off all droppings, and use a 10% bleach
solution to kill any bacteria in the tray's or on the
sides of the feeders. Do this often during the feeding week.
-- Keep the ground area clean as well, by watering in the droppings and
picking up and disposing of any unused seed.
-- Keep bird baths clean and apply the same bleach solution to your bath
water drinking area.
-- Please *DO* *NOT* remove your bird feeders or bird watering areas. The
Pine Siskens need food and water, to overcome the illness.
On My Last Point:
In that the Pine Siskin is a flocking bird, and the flock will stay
together in the evening at their roost, the spread of
Salmonellosis, will continue as they will defecate in that area, and during
the day, if they fly to a resting area.
I disagree with those who say, take your feeders down for a week or so to
disperse the flock. The flock will not break apart, they will only disperse
to
another yard or resting area. The flock will stay together for protection.
Much like the human species, and other critters, who may be ill, we need
food and water to overcome any illness we may have. The Pine Siskens
need a clean feeding area, with food and fresh water to make it through
this crisis. Removing the food and water will only exacerbate the problem
and cause more Pine Siskens to die, for lack of appropriate nourishment.

If you think this info can help anyone else please feel free to share!



On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Kim Kreimann  wrote:

> I have had sick ones in Dodge County, 2 died, also 1 redpoll which I took
> to Wildlife in Need yesterday. From the symptoms I posted on Wisconsin
> Birding on FB, I was told it sounded like salmonella. I read that siskins
> are more susceptible to salmonella. I took down my finch feeders and heated
> baths today and bleached everything according to directions I found online,
> I should keep them down for a couple weeks. I hate having to do that but
> don't want to see this spread. I will follow up with Wildlife in Need to
> see if the redpoll made it and if they think it is salmonella. I had been
> shoveling thistle leftovers out from under the feeders so it isn't like
> there were mounds of buildup. It is very frustrating to see this happen.
> Kim KreimannDodge county
>  > From: mamcdona AT wisc.edu
> > Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 17:17:35 -0600
> > Subject: [wisb] Pine Siskins
> > CC: wisbirdn AT freelists.org
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> > Jackie Edmunds has noticed more Siskins being admitted into the Four
> Lakes Wildlife Clinic in Madison, WI.  Does anyone have an idea as to why?C
> > > PS - on a weird note... we've been seeing an odd number of Pine
> Siskins admitted to FLWC!  Heard anything about their populations recently?
> It's a bit worrisome…
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Subject: Re: Pine Siskins
From: Kim Kreimann <k9house1 AT hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:06:37 -0600
I have had sick ones in Dodge County, 2 died, also 1 redpoll which I took to 
Wildlife in Need yesterday. From the symptoms I posted on Wisconsin Birding on 
FB, I was told it sounded like salmonella. I read that siskins are more 
susceptible to salmonella. I took down my finch feeders and heated baths today 
and bleached everything according to directions I found online, I should keep 
them down for a couple weeks. I hate having to do that but don't want to see 
this spread. I will follow up with Wildlife in Need to see if the redpoll made 
it and if they think it is salmonella. I had been shoveling thistle leftovers 
out from under the feeders so it isn't like there were mounds of buildup. It is 
very frustrating to see this happen. Kim KreimannDodge county 

 > From: mamcdona AT wisc.edu
> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 17:17:35 -0600
> Subject: [wisb] Pine Siskins
> CC: wisbirdn AT freelists.org
> To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
> 
> Jackie Edmunds has noticed more Siskins being admitted into the Four Lakes 
Wildlife Clinic in Madison, WI. Does anyone have an idea as to why?C 

> > PS - on a weird note... we've been seeing an odd number of Pine Siskins 
admitted to FLWC! Heard anything about their populations recently? It's a bit 
worrisome… 

> ************************
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Subject: Pine Siskins
From: Mara McDonald <mamcdona AT wisc.edu>
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 17:17:35 -0600
Jackie Edmunds has noticed more Siskins being admitted into the Four Lakes 
Wildlife Clinic in Madison, WI. Does anyone have an idea as to why?C 

> PS - on a weird note... we've been seeing an odd number of Pine Siskins 
admitted to FLWC! Heard anything about their populations recently? It's a bit 
worrisome… 

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Assistant Administrator
Laboratory of Genetics &
J.F. Crow Institute for the Study of Evolution
425 Henry Mall-Rm 1436 Genetics
University of Wisconsin
Madison WI 53706-1580

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608-262-2976 (FAX)
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Subject: Fall Banding Update
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 10:04:20 -0500
It has been a long time since I have updated banding info on my blog
but the last session of fall banding at Ritter Farm Park near
Lakeville, MN. was busy and varied. I have posted photos of some of
the highlights here:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

Migration continues to be strong in my area of Minnesota and as long
as the weather cooperates we will have a good banding season.

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Subject: Banding this past weekend
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 18:19:02 -0500
Hi Everyone-

   I've just updated our banding results from last Sunday at Ritter
Farm Park near Lakeville Minnesota. Nice morning with 11 species.
Photos are posted at:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

  Totals are on the Ritter Farm page at:

www.ncbo.org

   Headed to do some banding up north this weekend and will post upon
return.

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Subject: Oops
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 00:46:49 -0500
Sorry I forgot to add my signature -

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Subject: Birds using strong winds behind storm Front
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 00:41:31 -0500
A storm system is moving out of the Great Plains toward the Great
Lakes and behind the system there is a heavy movement of migrants
tonight. I have posted both a map showing the wind patterns across
the U.S. tonight and a radar image showing the heavy migration behind
this storm front:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

Birders and banders south of a line from southern Iowa to Ohio should
see a significant influx of birds on Sunday. Once this front passes
the prediction in Minnesota is to turn cold with a chance of SNOW in
the northern part of the state. Chances are the migrants moving
tonight will not be in my neck of the woods anytime soon.


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Subject: Oops
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 00:46:49 -0500
Sorry I forgot to add my signature -

Roger Everhart
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Subject: Birds using strong winds behind storm Front
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 00:41:31 -0500
A storm system is moving out of the Great Plains toward the Great
Lakes and behind the system there is a heavy movement of migrants
tonight. I have posted both a map showing the wind patterns across
the U.S. tonight and a radar image showing the heavy migration behind
this storm front:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

Birders and banders south of a line from southern Iowa to Ohio should
see a significant influx of birds on Sunday. Once this front passes
the prediction in Minnesota is to turn cold with a chance of SNOW in
the northern part of the state. Chances are the migrants moving
tonight will not be in my neck of the woods anytime soon.


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Subject: Birds moving north
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 22:34:22 -0500
A check of radar tonight shows a pretty good liftoff in the southern
Mississippi River Valley. I have posted 2 images showing the
progression of lift off just after sundown tonight at:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

I hope some of those birds make up to Minnesota by tomorrow morning!

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Subject: Birds moving north
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 22:34:22 -0500
A check of radar tonight shows a pretty good liftoff in the southern
Mississippi River Valley. I have posted 2 images showing the
progression of lift off just after sundown tonight at:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

I hope some of those birds make up to Minnesota by tomorrow morning!

Roger Everhart
Apple Valley, MN

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Subject: February Banding at Lowry Nature Center
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:50:23 -0600
After a hiatus from posting on my blog, I have finally finished
beating the old computer to death with a hammer and now have a new
machine which I hope will keep me on line more regularly.

We had a typical banding session last Saturday and I have posted some
photos along with the results. If interested you can look at:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com


Got out into the field today and noticed a movement of eagles to the
north on the strong winds we are experiencing out of the south.
Counted at least a dozen soaring over in small groups of 2-3. There
is a front moving through tonight which will bring rain/snow. Temps
back above normal tomorrow though.

Good Birding,
Roger Everhart
Apple Valley, MN
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Subject: Fw: [BIRDBAND] final comments
From: Jack Clinton Eitniear <jce AT CSTBINC.ORG>
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:57:47 -0800
It is my impression that the days of "recreational banding" are




It is my impression that the days of "recreational banding" are over. The 
Banding Laboratory requires a detailed research plan that 

justifies all banding and marking. Sub-permitees as well have to undergo some 
pretty rigorous training ......a far cry from the past.  

Banding does stress birds and can, on occasion, create added mortality but 
hopefully this is mitigated by the data obtained. 

My only "beef" from banding is that I think the data obtained by most banders 
should be worked and published more than it is.  

Ornithologist still rely too heavy on study skins for questions of molt and 
morphometrics despite numerous specimens being  

handled on a regular basis by banders.  The journal North American Bird Bander 
should have twice the page count!   


Jack Clinton Eitniear
 
"We will be known forever by the tracks we leave" Dakota Indian Saying 







________________________________
From: Ellen Paul 
To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 6:57 PM
Subject: [BIRDBAND] final comments

The problem is that Ms. Condon assumed that banders do not do 
cost-benefit, that banders do not care about the impact of their 
research, and do not strive to minimize or eliminate that impact. In 
fact, they do that (cost-benefit), they do care, and they do strive. 
They have two sets of ethical standards - the North American Banding 
Council manuals (and the accompanying training) and the Ornithological 
Council's /Guidelines to the Use of Wild Birds in Research/. 
Furthermore, they are subject to permit requirements (BBL and BBO) that 
themselves indicate these agencies have determined that the cost is 
outweighed by the benefit, and, in the case of researchers who receive 
federal (U.S. or Canadian funding), the legally mandated review and 
approval by Animal Care and Use Committees.

She didn't say "the costs and benefits should be considered." She made 
the calculation that the cost outweighed the benefit
 based entirely on 
her personal emotional reaction to banding and without an ounce of data.

Ellen Paul

Ellen Paul
Executive Director
The Ornithological Council
Email:ellen.paul AT verizon.net
"Providing Scientific Information about Birds"
http://www.nmnh.si.edu/BIRDNET"


On 11/11/11 2:23 PM, Doug Collister wrote:
> I have read Marlene Condon's contribution in The Wildlife Professional Vol 5
> No. 3 2011 and do not find it unreasonable.  My view is that banders need to
> accept challenges to the cost/benefit of banding projects and provide
> rational and measured justification to the challengers and ourselves that
> what we are doing is appropriate and scientifically valuable.
>
>
>
> I am disappointed in the tenor that has characterized the exchange with
> respect to
 this issue and Ms. Condon.  As banders we need to remind
> ourselves of the privilege we have been granted to study birds with this
> invasive technique.  Associated with that privilege is the responsibility to
> continually reassess the cost/benefit.  There is no question that capturing
> and handling during banding studies results in stress to the birds including
> a small number of injuries and a smaller number of mortalities.
>
>
>
> Along with its scientific value banding is exciting and fun and this may
> sometimes cloud our ability to objectively assess the cost/benefit.  It is
> important that we don't band simply because we can.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Doug Collister
>
> President
>
> Calgary Bird Banding Society
>
>
>
>  
 
> www.calgarybirdbandingsociety.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> archives and subscription options can be found at:
> http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html
>

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Subject: final comments
From: Ellen Paul <ellen.paul AT VERIZON.NET>
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:57:04 -0500
The problem is that Ms. Condon assumed that banders do not do 
cost-benefit, that banders do not care about the impact of their 
research, and do not strive to minimize or eliminate that impact. In 
fact, they do that (cost-benefit), they do care, and they do strive. 
They have two sets of ethical standards - the North American Banding 
Council manuals (and the accompanying training) and the Ornithological 
Council's /Guidelines to the Use of Wild Birds in Research/. 
Furthermore, they are subject to permit requirements (BBL and BBO) that 
themselves indicate these agencies have determined that the cost is 
outweighed by the benefit, and, in the case of researchers who receive 
federal (U.S. or Canadian funding), the legally mandated review and 
approval by Animal Care and Use Committees.

She didn't say "the costs and benefits should be considered." She made 
the calculation that the cost outweighed the benefit based entirely on 
her personal emotional reaction to banding and without an ounce of data.

Ellen Paul

Ellen Paul
Executive Director
The Ornithological Council
Email:ellen.paul AT verizon.net
"Providing Scientific Information about Birds"
http://www.nmnh.si.edu/BIRDNET"


On 11/11/11 2:23 PM, Doug Collister wrote:
> I have read Marlene Condon's contribution in The Wildlife Professional Vol 5
> No. 3 2011 and do not find it unreasonable.  My view is that banders need to
> accept challenges to the cost/benefit of banding projects and provide
> rational and measured justification to the challengers and ourselves that
> what we are doing is appropriate and scientifically valuable.
>
>
>
> I am disappointed in the tenor that has characterized the exchange with
> respect to this issue and Ms. Condon.  As banders we need to remind
> ourselves of the privilege we have been granted to study birds with this
> invasive technique.  Associated with that privilege is the responsibility to
> continually reassess the cost/benefit.  There is no question that capturing
> and handling during banding studies results in stress to the birds including
> a small number of injuries and a smaller number of mortalities.
>
>
>
> Along with its scientific value banding is exciting and fun and this may
> sometimes cloud our ability to objectively assess the cost/benefit.  It is
> important that we don't band simply because we can.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Doug Collister
>
> President
>
> Calgary Bird Banding Society
>
>
>
>   
> www.calgarybirdbandingsociety.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> archives and subscription options can be found at:
> http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html
>

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Subject: FW: final comments
From: Doug Collister <collistr AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:23:44 -0700
I have read Marlene Condon's contribution in The Wildlife Professional Vol 5
No. 3 2011 and do not find it unreasonable.  My view is that banders need to
accept challenges to the cost/benefit of banding projects and provide
rational and measured justification to the challengers and ourselves that
what we are doing is appropriate and scientifically valuable.

 

I am disappointed in the tenor that has characterized the exchange with
respect to this issue and Ms. Condon.  As banders we need to remind
ourselves of the privilege we have been granted to study birds with this
invasive technique.  Associated with that privilege is the responsibility to
continually reassess the cost/benefit.  There is no question that capturing
and handling during banding studies results in stress to the birds including
a small number of injuries and a smaller number of mortalities.

 

Along with its scientific value banding is exciting and fun and this may
sometimes cloud our ability to objectively assess the cost/benefit.  It is
important that we don't band simply because we can.

 

 

 

Doug Collister

President

Calgary Bird Banding Society

 

 
www.calgarybirdbandingsociety.com

  

 


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Subject: banding photography query
From: Yola Monakhov <ysm3 AT COLUMBIA.EDU>
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:05:34 -0700
Dear Banders:

I am writing with a query to anyone who may be doing banding work in the
tropics this winter and would be interested in having a photographer artist
join for about a week.

I have been working on a project in which I photograph birds against
backgrounds, or in mobile "photography studios," in the manner of 19th
century drawings (but with live birds) and have been working most recently
at Manomet, Massachusetts, under the supervision of Trevor Lloyd-Evans.

Since that operation is coming to its seasonal end, I am looking for someone
who will be banding in the winter season, at the other end of the migratory
trail. 

I am a professor of art at Smith College, and am preparing work for an
upcoming exhibition at the Sasha Wolf Gallery in New York. 

I am trained in handling birds, understand the time and stress constraints
of working with them, and am most mindful of their welfare. The way I've
worked recently is to set up my equipment out of the way of the banders'
work, and to photograph once the birds have been processed.

If you would like to see examples of my work, or learn more about the
project, please feel free to e-mail me at ymonakho AT smith.edu. I would like
to schedule a time to come down over my winter break in December, or, more
likely, in early January.

Thank you!

Yola Monakhov-Stockton
Harnish Visiting Artist
Smith College
413-585-3384

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Subject: Hilton Pond 10/22/11 (White Hummingbirds)
From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG>
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:20:15 -0600
Hummingbirds are interesting enough as it is, but when a white one visits a 
backyard feeder the sport of hummer watching goes to a new level. "This Week at 
Hilton Pond" we offer an annual collection of photos sent to us this year of 
white hummingbirds--albinos, leucistos, and pieds. To view our 22-31 November 
2011 photo essay about these ghostly creatures, please visit 
http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek111022.html 


While there, don't forget to scroll down for a list of all birds banded and 
recaptured during the period. We also include some miscellaneous nature notes, 
a Halloween image, and an acknowledgement of folks who have contributed to the 
education, research, and conservation efforts of Hilton Pond Center in recent 
days. 


Happy Nature Watching!

BILL

=========

RESEARCH PROGRAM
c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director
Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History
1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA
office & cell (803) 684-5852
fax (803) 684-0255

Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net):
Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org 
"Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org

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Subject: ringing (banding) in Gelderland
From: Norman Deans van Swelm <norman.vanswelm AT WXS.NL>
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 17:49:49 +0100
Dear collegues and friends have a look at the youngest Dutch master ringer Bram 
Ubels, 18 years old, when interviewed by a Dutch network during ringing, ahhh 
as if I see myself 100 years ago: 





http://www.omroepgelderland.nl/web/Programmas/TV/Gelderse-koppen-5/Gelderse-Koppen-artikel/1195941/EEN-RING-UIT-LIEFDE.htm 




As for removing Marlene from the site I hate to remove people from lists or 
debates simply because they disagree with me however I don't think Marlene was 
in anyway interested in what we do, her comparison with nazi practices was 
typical for people in search of something extremely bad in order to proof how 
bad her objects of criticism (i.e. us!) are. It happens too often and is a sign 
of fundamental incompetence in debating but OK, she is, I guess (and hope), 
young and inexperienced. However she did not give in let alone apologised and 
that is too much and closes the door for good. 

Cheers, Norman

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Subject: Re: marlene condon (UNCLASSIFIED)
From: "Stratford, Jeffrey" <jeffrey.stratford AT WILKES.EDU>
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:25:33 -0500
I've always been under the impression that science was an activity where
we try to confront our hypotheses about the natural world with data to
either support or reject hypotheses.  What bugged me about Marlene's
paper (I didn't read it but I read her posts here) is that the article
was both hypothesis and data free.  In her own words she relied on logic
(i.e., why collect any data?) and empathy.

As for banning or accepting a person, what would a scientific approach
be?  I'm quite happy to allow a moderator to use their opinion on such
matters since I voluntarily (and I assume everyone else did too) joined
the list. If I don't like it, I'll leave the list.

I, for one, do not want a deluge of emails in my inbox debating the
merits of banding (and mist netting, since that was really the focus of
the arguments).  I'd much rather read about cool captures, new
techniques, etc.

************************************
Dr. Jeffrey A. Stratford
Department of Health and Biological Sciences
84 W. South Street
Wilkes University, PA 18766
jeffrey.stratford AT wilkes.edu
570-408-4761 (office)
570-332-2942 (cell)
http://web.wilkes.edu/jeffrey.stratford/
************************************

 



-----Original Message-----
From: Bird Bander's Forum [mailto:BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On
Behalf Of Voisine, Matthew NAN02
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:01 AM
To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] marlene condon (UNCLASSIFIED)

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Jean and the rest of Birdband

Why would you remove her?  Is it a requirement to be a bander in order
to be part of this list-serv?  I thought it was only necessary to be
interested in bird banding.  Your removal of her based on a view that
research relook into the affects of banding on birds is contrary to
science.  Science is ALWAYS evolving.  What is one of the first things
you learned in any science class regarding research?  REPEAT, REPEAT,
REPEAT.  Removing someone with dissenting views is not scientific.

I think that Marlene made a poor choice in her analogy to bird banding.
However, she apologized and noted that.  Her analogy however was correct
in the fact that you do not have to actually partake in something to
understand it.  How many Astronomers have been to outer space? How many
historians lived in the era they are considered experts?  Knowledge is
power and that knowledge can be acquired through various channels. 

Marlene should be brought back to the list serv.  

Matthew Voisine
917.790.8718


-----Original Message-----
From: Jean Bickal [mailto:jbickal AT GMAIL.COM] 
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 19:54
Subject: marlene condon

Sorry, I haven't been paying attention to what was going on. I deleted
Ms.
Condon from the list. I therefore believe the discussion on this issue
is
at and end.

Back to banding! ;-)

Jean Bickal
US Co-Listowner BirdBand

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Subject: Re: marlene condon (UNCLASSIFIED)
From: "Voisine, Matthew NAN02" <Matthew.Voisine AT USACE.ARMY.MIL>
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 14:00:51 +0000
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Jean and the rest of Birdband

Why would you remove her? Is it a requirement to be a bander in order to be 
part of this list-serv? I thought it was only necessary to be interested in 
bird banding. Your removal of her based on a view that research relook into the 
affects of banding on birds is contrary to science. Science is ALWAYS evolving. 
What is one of the first things you learned in any science class regarding 
research? REPEAT, REPEAT, REPEAT. Removing someone with dissenting views is not 
scientific. 


I think that Marlene made a poor choice in her analogy to bird banding. 
However, she apologized and noted that. Her analogy however was correct in the 
fact that you do not have to actually partake in something to understand it. 
How many Astronomers have been to outer space? How many historians lived in the 
era they are considered experts? Knowledge is power and that knowledge can be 
acquired through various channels. 


Marlene should be brought back to the list serv.  

Matthew Voisine
917.790.8718


-----Original Message-----
From: Jean Bickal [mailto:jbickal AT GMAIL.COM] 
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 19:54
Subject: marlene condon

Sorry, I haven't been paying attention to what was going on. I deleted Ms.
Condon from the list. I therefore believe the discussion on this issue is
at and end.

Back to banding! ;-)

Jean Bickal
US Co-Listowner BirdBand

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Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
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Subject: Re: Change of Subject- NSWO Recording
From: Scott Weidensaul <scottweidensaul AT VERIZON.NET>
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 08:49:10 -0500
   The Project Owlnet website (www.projectowlnet.org), which has been  
greatly expanded and revised in the past six months, is the best  
source for all things saw-whet. A lot of the resources, including  
downloadable audio files and subscription to the SAWWHETNET listserve,  
are behind a password-protected firewall, but banders and researchers  
working with any owl species are encouraged to join.

   Scott Weidensaul
   Schuylkill Haven, PA USA



On Nov 7, 2011, at 6:55 PM, George Rowsom wrote:

> Can anyone direct me to a good website to download NSWO vocalization?
> Thanks,
> G Rowsom
>
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Subject: Re: seconding Derek's comments
From: John and Sue Gregoire <khmo AT EMPACC.NET>
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 08:26:24 -0500
Thanks Lyndon!

The unfortunate discussion points to a problem that has been obvious to me for 
many 

years. BIRDBAND has not been a forum in which banders can share tips and 
concerns 

openly due to the uncertain nature of the site security. That shouldn't be as 
we 

very much need and open and honest forum. To that end I suggest that those 
wanting 

to join the group establish their bona fides as banders before being allowed on 
the 

list.

I belong to another group of avian researchers where we communicate very
successfully in a closed Yahoogroup. That discussion is always respectful and
extremely vibrant. It's what we need for BIRDBAND.

Best to all,
John
--
John and Sue Gregoire
Field Ornithologists
Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory
5373 Fitzgerald Road
Burdett,NY 14818-9626
 Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/
"Conserve and Create Habitat"

On Tue, November 8, 2011 05:43, Lyndon Kearsley wrote:
> Hi James (and others)
>
> I have been associated with BIRDBAND since 1996 I think (although much of
> that period has been very back seat; Jean is very quick off the mark and I
> usually only stand in during her holiday periods and expeditions).
>
> In that period I can only remember albeit vaguely one short period of
> moderation. For all the other years of correspondence this has bot been
> necessary or helpful.
>
> I know that the UK forum is moderated but then it is run by the Ringing
> Scheme itself and they have a public face to respect. BIRDBAND is less
> formal but equally important and has for years had participants and to a
> greater degree readers. Most of the fluctuating 5 to 600 participants
> rarely post. Although largely from the US and Canada, they do however
> represent around 35 countries and for many English is not a first language
> anyway. This diversity is I think both important and enriching.
>
> Before pushing for moderation (which in my view is a last resort) I would
> go for a regular and polite reminder to the list of what is expected and
> acceptable. A sort of code of conduct. Rules require policing and therefore
> moderation.
>
> What I would like to see is a tsunami of mails on technique and tips. I'll
> post a few myself to put my money where my mouth is.
>
> Success and happy banding to all
>
>
> regards
>
> Lyndon Kearsley
>
> European Co-listowner BIRDBAND
> Belgium
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 01:32, James Cracknell wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Totally agree.  I am sure a number of us would be willing to moderate in
>> different parts of the world to account for time zone differences.  All
>> most of them need is a reply to the email and it is sorted.
>>
>> There needs to be a set of rules published as well about what is/isn't
>> acceptable for anyone joining the group.  The mail program can send them to
>> them automatically.  The old website is no more.
>>
>> J.
>> Suffolk, United Kingdom.
>>
>>
>> On 8 November 2011 00:15, Julian Hudson  wrote:
>>
>> > While I agree on the continuing and open discussion on banding ethics,
>> > (indeed on anything, because that is how we stay honest and learn), Derek
>> > is right, this forum should be for banders, otherwise it could get
>> over-run
>> > by anti-banding and animal rights activists.  This topic is heating up
>> all
>> > over, due mostly to the ridiculous reaction to the red-tailed hawk in NY
>> > and the viral ways of the internet.
>> > Forums ultimately close once they are flooded by emotionally charged
>> > discussions.  There are plenty of other venues for this discussion.  This
>> > should be moderated more closely to allow just comment, questions and
>> > information by and for banders.
>> > The only way this can be done is if a moderator actually looks at all the
>> > postings before they go "on air".
>> >
>> > Julian Hudson
>> >
>> > archives and subscription options can be found at:
>> > http://listserv.arizona.edu/**archives/birdband.html<
>> http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdband.html>
>> >
>>
>> archives and subscription options can be found at:
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>>
>
>
>
> --
> Lyndon
>
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>

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Subject: Re: seconding Derek's comments
From: Lyndon Kearsley <lkearsley AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:43:05 +0100
Hi James (and others)

I have been associated with BIRDBAND since 1996 I think (although much of
that period has been very back seat; Jean is very quick off the mark and I
usually only stand in during her holiday periods and expeditions).

In that period I can only remember albeit vaguely one short period of
moderation. For all the other years of correspondence this has bot been
necessary or helpful.

I know that the UK forum is moderated but then it is run by the Ringing
Scheme itself and they have a public face to respect. BIRDBAND is less
formal but equally important and has for years had participants and to a
greater degree readers. Most of the fluctuating 5 to 600 participants
rarely post. Although largely from the US and Canada, they do however
represent around 35 countries and for many English is not a first language
anyway. This diversity is I think both important and enriching.

Before pushing for moderation (which in my view is a last resort) I would
go for a regular and polite reminder to the list of what is expected and
acceptable. A sort of code of conduct. Rules require policing and therefore
moderation.

What I would like to see is a tsunami of mails on technique and tips. I'll
post a few myself to put my money where my mouth is.

Success and happy banding to all


regards

Lyndon Kearsley

European Co-listowner BIRDBAND
Belgium


On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 01:32, James Cracknell wrote:

> Hi
>
> Totally agree.  I am sure a number of us would be willing to moderate in
> different parts of the world to account for time zone differences.  All
> most of them need is a reply to the email and it is sorted.
>
> There needs to be a set of rules published as well about what is/isn't
> acceptable for anyone joining the group.  The mail program can send them to
> them automatically.  The old website is no more.
>
> J.
> Suffolk, United Kingdom.
>
>
> On 8 November 2011 00:15, Julian Hudson  wrote:
>
> > While I agree on the continuing and open discussion on banding ethics,
> > (indeed on anything, because that is how we stay honest and learn), Derek
> > is right, this forum should be for banders, otherwise it could get
> over-run
> > by anti-banding and animal rights activists.  This topic is heating up
> all
> > over, due mostly to the ridiculous reaction to the red-tailed hawk in NY
> > and the viral ways of the internet.
> > Forums ultimately close once they are flooded by emotionally charged
> > discussions.  There are plenty of other venues for this discussion.  This
> > should be moderated more closely to allow just comment, questions and
> > information by and for banders.
> > The only way this can be done is if a moderator actually looks at all the
> > postings before they go "on air".
> >
> > Julian Hudson
> >
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Subject: Re: final comments
From: Lyndon Kearsley <lkearsley AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:17:24 +0100
Dear Ellen, dear colleagues

>> writing a letter to the editor and would welcome co-signers.

It is difficult to police and certainly to vet anyone who wishes to joint
this forum. We still have an acceptance process but do not require any
formal details of the person requesting acceptance. This is usually enough
to weed out spam but we still have problems such as this last thread. Jean
has now removed this lady from the list.

When such discussions start is it usually best to let them run their course
and as list coordinators we do not often (need to) interfere.
However unpleasant, they are often a wake up call and quite an insight into
how much PR and public education banders and Ringing/Banding Schemes need
to do.

Here in Belgium and Holland we have had several cases this last week of net
theft and vandalism. One case in particular is particularly disturbing;
whilst one can "understand" robbery by illegal bird catchers, net cutting
with clear statements that the perpetrators are from "rogue" animal rights
groups is a very bad sign. Actually I consider bird banders / ringers to be
an animal rights group. If it were ultimately not for the birds long term
benefit then no one would put in the work effort that we do.

Whilst we all (hopefully) enjoy the benefits of freedom of speech, there is
a lot of irresponsible copy published at the expense of all aspects of
scientific research whether lambasting field studies such as banding or
more public issues such as climate change. Ellen I would be happy for you
to add/use my name as a co-signer, for what its worth. Thanks for taking
the initiative.

regards,

Lyndon Kearsley
Belgium

European Co-Listowner BirdBand


On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 22:59, Ellen Paul  wrote:

> As the daughter of a survivor, I was absolutely aghast at Marlene Condon's
> comparison, and her apology accomplished nothing in my eyes because anyone
> who can make such a statement has demonstrated that they have exceedingly
> poor judgment of the infamous sort exhibited by PETA:
>
> Ingrid Newkirk 
>, 

> the president of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals <
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**People_for_the_Ethical_**
> 
Treatment_of_Animals> 

> (PETA), has herself made the comparison unambiguously, saying: "Six million
> Jews died in concentration camps  Concentration_camp >,
> but six billion broiler chickens will die this year in slaughterhouses."
>
> Apologies from people with such poor judgment are meaningless to me.
>
> Now, at the risk of starting a quarrel with people and an organization I
> admire very much, I am aghast that The Wildlife Society, which has had its
> own share of trouble from uninformed animal rights individuals and
> organizations, would publish a piece like this and I am writing a letter to
> the editor and would welcome co-signers. Granted, this is not the
> peer-reviewed journal published by that esteemed society, but it is not
> appropriate to publish a piece like this in a scientific publication -
> PERIOD. Ms. Condon relies on logic, not science, to make her argument. She
> makes no mention of the weight of the bands in the absolute or relative to
> the weight (actually, mass) of the bird.
>
> I was particularly disturbed by Ms. Condon's disingenuous claim about the
> Refsnider paper. She ignores the fact that she mis-cited it and proceeds to
> malign the journal.
>
> What also bothers me is her comparison of bird banding to the killing of
> two Whimbrels:
>
> 4)  Empathy  (the ability to identify with and understand another’s
> situation and feelings)  tells you that birds are absolutely terrified when
> handled by humans (their  natural enemies, as witnessed this fall by the
> hunting
> in the Lesser Antilles  that killed 2 whimbrels being tracked).  It’s
> logical
> then, to conclude that  banders are inflicting severe stress—and thus
> physical harm—upon the creatures  they profess to care about.
>
>
> There is actually nothing logical in this paragraph. Humans are not the
> natural enemies of birds. Birds, like all animals, have a negative reaction
> to predation and fear being caught by anything. That does not mean that the
> short-term capture and handling of birds by banders entails severe distress
> and physical harm. But in any case, we don't measure those things by logic
> or illogic. We measure it scientifically. For instance, by corticosteroid
> levels. By the length of time it takes for the bird to resume its normal
> behaviors. By breeding success. By return rates. We have data on all these
> things. We don't make assumptions. Scientists make observations, develop
> hypotheses, and test those hypotheses.
>
> And that is why it is so appalling that a scientific society chose to
> publish this drivel.
>
> Anyone interested in signing on to my letter please contact me directly.
>
> Ellen Paul (speaking individually and not on behalf of the organization
> that pays my salary)
>
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Subject: Re: Father of bird-banding
From: Rob Robinson <rob.robinson AT BTO.ORG>
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 10:11:41 +0000
Mara et al,
 funnily enough i was just reading about this the other day in a
volume edited by Jackson, Davis & Tautin (Bird banding in th North
America: the first hundred years, Memoirs of the Nuttall
Ornithological Club 15, 2008). I quote (from pp5-6)

"In 1890 Hans Christian Mortensen, a teacher in Viborg, Denmark,
experimented with banding by marking two Starlings with leg bands made
of zinc. He watched those marked birds and concluded that his
experiment was a miserable failure; the zinc bands were too heavy and
affected the movements of the birds. He retained the idea, however,
and when aluminium became available in 1899, he tried again, using
strips of aluminium that included a number and return address. He was
successful in marking 165 starlings (mostly adults) and for his
efforts is given credit for initiating scientific bird banding.
 ...
Although his efforts may have been known to some American
ornithologists, it doesn't seem to have been until 1921 that
Mortensen's work was acknowledged in American ornithological journals.
The idea for systematic banding of birds in North America seems to
have arisen independently with Leon Jacob Cole in 1901. At the
Michigan Academy of Science meeting held in March 1901, Cole gave a
presentation in which he described the efforts of the US Fish
Commission to learn the movements of fish by attaching numbered tags
to them.This, he suggested, might also be done with birds, allowing us
to learn of the movements of individuals."

However,I have just noted in the preface (p v) they state
"The year 2002 marked the 100th anniversary of scientific bird banding
in North America. It all began when Dr Paul Bartsch of the Smithsonian
Institution banded 23 Black-crowned Night-herons at Washington, DC. He
used serially numbered bands with a 'Return to Smithsonian
Institution' address."

Mortensen wasn't the first to band/ring birds, there had been
scattered records (of varying believability) of birds being marked
since Roman times, and more recently since the 16th Century on. In
England (and almost certainly elsewhere) there were various private
schemes operating (mostly to do with game birds, such as woodcock).
However, Mortensen's innovation (apart from the fact that aluminium
had only recently become commercially available at affordable prices)
was to have both a recognisable address to which anyone could return
the ring and a serially incrementing number which identified each bird
as an individual, a combination that no one seems to have achieved
previously. Of course it's always possible that history remembers
Mortensen since he publicised his efforts widely. For more on
Mortensen and early banding see
http://nou.natuurinfo.nl/website/ardea/ardea_show_article.php?nr=107
and I can recommend the Jackson et al volume for anyone interested in
the breadth of achievements of banding in North America (and
elsewhere)

hope that helps
cheers
rob


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On 7 November 2011 20:12, Mara McDonald  wrote:
> Oh, no!  You're making a liar out of me! It was not intentional, either.
>
> I thought I got the info from BBL, but alas, I didn't (just checked--although 
they may have updated their site).  I did find several possible references I 
might have used: 

> See
> http://pwp.surfglobal.net/rmangile/Pigeons/LeonCole.html
>
> Wisconsin's Forgotten Ornithologist: Leon J. Cole
>
> Between 1902 and 1922, he wrote seven papers on bird banding alone. When bird 
banding gained stature in the field of scientific ornithology and its adherents 
formed an organization of devotees, Leon J. Cole became the president of the 
American Bird Banding Association. 

>
> Thus, Dr. Cole is rightly regarded as the father of American bird banding. 
His academic life at Wisconsin forced him away from serious bird banding but 
not from his interest in birds. Through penetrating research he and his 
students produced an unparalleled insight into the genetics of the Columbidae. 
Hybridization of pigeons and ring doves was of particular importance. 

>
>
>
> Here's Cole's paper:
>
> http://www.jstor.org/stable/4155031
>
> Here's another link p 220
> http://www.jstor.org/stable/4073884?seq=4
>
> I was researching the Department of Genetics' history for its Centennial in 
2010, when I ran into a reference to Cole as The Father of Bird Banding.  Other 
than the first reference above, I'm not sure where else I may have picked it 
up.  To be sure, if he's a father, it would be of American Bird Banding.  You 
may want to correct me on that, too.  I'm currently readying a journal club 
presentation on mobile genetic elements, and thus, cannot take much time to 
clean up my act or poor references or false assignations.  Thank you for 
setting the record straight--I knew about Audubon, and also knew his efforts 
weren't too successful--I used Cole's "father" reference to justify putting up 
a poster on our banding efforts, just to nudge the lab types into knowing 
about.real research.  :) 

>
> Mara McDonald
> Madison WI
>
> On Nov 7, 2011, at 1:27 PM, Bill Mattox wrote:
>
>> Hello Mara!
>> A statement in your e-mail on that OTHER subject(!) interested me (re: L.J.
>> Cole). In talks about color banding and bird banding in general, I have
>> stated that, from my knowledge of the subject, the father of bird banding
>> was the Danish school-master H.C. Mortensen, known in Denmark as "Fugle"
>> (Birds) Mortensen, who placed lead (!) rings on starlings in 1890. The
>> banded starlings didn't fly very far (!), and Mortensen changed to steel or
>> aluminum shortly thereafter. He started using aluminum when he banded a
>> merganser, and, in 1899 banded 165 starlings with aluminum rings. Until his
>> death in 1921 Mortensen succeeded in banding some 6,000 birds (Mattox
>> 1970*). In Denmark, Mortensen was known as the father of modern
>> bird-ringing.
>> Any thoughts? When was L.J. Cole active?
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Bill Mattox
>>
>> * Mattox, W.G. 1970. Bird-banding in Greenland. Arctic 23(4): 217-228.
>>
>>
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>>
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Subject: Re: Important article
From: J.C. Fernández-Ordóñez <jcwarbler AT YAHOO.ES>
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 03:50:24 +0000
Here, full article in HTML format:

http://onlinelibra
Hola Diana,

Here, full article in HTML format:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.2041-210X.2011.00123.x/full

I have in PDF:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.2041-210X.2011.00123.x/pdf

With the best wishes,

Juan Carlos

======================
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San Carlos (Venezuela)
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+58 4263498040


>________________________________
>De: Diana Humple 
>Para: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
>Enviado: lunes 7 de noviembre de 2011 21:00
>Asunto: Re: [BIRDBAND] Important article
>
>Given the recent dialogue on BIRDBAND, I thought I'd follow up on CJ's earlier 
email announcing this publication that may be of interest to many of you ("How 
safe is mist netting? Evaluating the risk of injury and mortality to birds", 
Spotswood et al. 2011) with the link to the actual manuscript now available 
online at: 

>
>
>
>http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.2041-210X.2011.00123.x/abstract
>
>
>
>Best wishes,
>
>
>
>Diana Humple
>
>
>---
>Diana Humple, Avian Ecologist & Banding Coordinator
>PRBO Conservation Science
>Pacific Coast & Central Valley Group
>Palomarin Field Station
>PO Box 1157 / 999 Mesa Road Bolinas CA 94924
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>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bird Bander's Forum [mailto:BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On Behalf Of 
C. John Ralph 

>Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 10:38 AM
>To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
>Subject: [BIRDBAND] Important article
>
>
>
>Dear Folks,
>
>   You'll be interested in: "How safe is mist netting? Evaluating the
>
>risk of injury and mortality to birds." Erica Spotswood, Kari Roesch
>
>Goodman, Jay Carlisle, Renee Cormier, Diana Humple, Josee Rousseau,
>
>Susan Guers and Gina Barton.  Methods in Ecology and Evolution, 2011 (in
>
>press).
>
>
>
>   Also see the Science Daily summary of the new article
>
>  http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110629203014.htm
>
>
>
>   When it's available on line, we'll let you know.
>
>
>
>kind regards,  c.j.
>
>--
>
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>
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Subject: Re: Important article
From: Diana Humple <dhumple AT PRBO.ORG>
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 17:30:00 -0800
Given the recent dialogue on BIRDBAND, I thought I'd follow up on CJ's earlier 
email announcing this publication that may be of interest to many of you ("How 
safe is mist netting? Evaluating the risk of injury and mortality to birds", 
Spotswood et al. 2011) with the link to the actual manuscript now available 
online at: 




http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.2041-210X.2011.00123.x/abstract



Best wishes,



Diana Humple


---
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PRBO Conservation Science
Pacific Coast & Central Valley Group
Palomarin Field Station
PO Box 1157 / 999 Mesa Road Bolinas CA 94924
415.868.0655 ext. 386, cell 415.717.6390





-----Original Message-----
From: Bird Bander's Forum [mailto:BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On Behalf Of 
C. John Ralph 

Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 10:38 AM
To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
Subject: [BIRDBAND] Important article



Dear Folks,

   You'll be interested in: "How safe is mist netting? Evaluating the

risk of injury and mortality to birds." Erica Spotswood, Kari Roesch

Goodman, Jay Carlisle, Renee Cormier, Diana Humple, Josee Rousseau,

Susan Guers and Gina Barton.  Methods in Ecology and Evolution, 2011 (in

press).



   Also see the Science Daily summary of the new article

  http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110629203014.htm



   When it's available on line, we'll let you know.



kind regards,  c.j.

--

                                               -----Dr. C. John Ralph

--- USDA Forest Service, Pacific Southwest Research Station,

            1700 Bayview Drive, Arcata, California 95521

  Telephone (707) 825-2992 cell: 499-9707 fax: 825-2901 home: 822-2015

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Subject: marlene condon
From: Jean Bickal <jbickal AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:54:06 -0500
Sorry, I haven't been paying attention to what was going on. I deleted Ms.
Condon from the list. I therefore believe the discussion on this issue is
at and end.

Back to banding! ;-)

Jean Bickal
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Subject: seconding Derek's comments
From: James Cracknell <james AT JCRACKNELL.CO.UK>
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 00:32:23 +0000
Hi

Totally agree.  I am sure a number of us would be willing to moderate in
different parts of the world to account for time zone differences.  All
most of them need is a reply to the email and it is sorted.

There needs to be a set of rules published as well about what is/isn't
acceptable for anyone joining the group.  The mail program can send them to
them automatically.  The old website is no more.

J.
Suffolk, United Kingdom.


On 8 November 2011 00:15, Julian Hudson  wrote:

> While I agree on the continuing and open discussion on banding ethics,
> (indeed on anything, because that is how we stay honest and learn), Derek
> is right, this forum should be for banders, otherwise it could get over-run
> by anti-banding and animal rights activists.  This topic is heating up all
> over, due mostly to the ridiculous reaction to the red-tailed hawk in NY
> and the viral ways of the internet.
> Forums ultimately close once they are flooded by emotionally charged
> discussions.  There are plenty of other venues for this discussion.  This
> should be moderated more closely to allow just comment, questions and
> information by and for banders.
> The only way this can be done is if a moderator actually looks at all the
> postings before they go "on air".
>
> Julian Hudson
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Subject: Re: seconding Derek's comments
From: Derek J Matthews <Derek.J.Matthews AT SPECTRUM-CANADA.COM>
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:30:58 -0800
I think you're right Julian - Birdband is an amazing resource for
banders/ringers and a gold mine of information with some of the most
experienced banders/ringers in the world - I for one have learnt so much
from it over the years and it's the first place I turn if I have a question.
It would be a disaster if the forum became overrun with this type of posting
and then got closed down. This lady has every right to air her opinion but
not here - let's keep Birdband for banders/ringers and I'm afraid that means
a moderator must look at the postings and decide whether they are
appropriate for the group.

I moderate a Yahoo chat group for VARC and you can choose whether people's
postings are not moderated, always moderated or banned from posting - I'm
not sure if the Birdband listserve has this facility but if not maybe we
should consider moving it somewhere where the moderator has control over who
posts.

I also have to say that not only do we have some of the most experienced
people here but we also have some of the most eloquent and articulate
(Scott, Bill, James etc) and that this lady should have been left in no
doubt as to the value of the work banders/ringers do and often with little
or no financial reward. Keep up the brilliant work and let's make sure we
don't lose Birdband because of something like this!

Cheers.

Derek

Derek Matthews
Vancouver Avian Research centre
Vancouver, BC, Canada






-----Original Message-----
From: Bird Bander's Forum [mailto:BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On Behalf
Of Julian Hudson
Sent: November-07-11 4:16 PM
To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
Subject: [BIRDBAND] seconding Derek's comments

While I agree on the continuing and open discussion on banding ethics, 
(indeed on anything, because that is how we stay honest and learn), 
Derek is right, this forum should be for banders, otherwise it could get 
over-run by anti-banding and animal rights activists.  This topic is 
heating up all over, due mostly to the ridiculous reaction to the 
red-tailed hawk in NY and the viral ways of the internet.
Forums ultimately close once they are flooded by emotionally charged 
discussions.  There are plenty of other venues for this discussion.  
This should be moderated more closely to allow just comment, questions 
and information by and for banders.
The only way this can be done is if a moderator actually looks at all 
the postings before they go "on air".

Julian Hudson

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Subject: seconding Derek's comments
From: Julian Hudson <jhudson AT TELUS.NET>
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:15:52 -0800
While I agree on the continuing and open discussion on banding ethics, 
(indeed on anything, because that is how we stay honest and learn), 
Derek is right, this forum should be for banders, otherwise it could get 
over-run by anti-banding and animal rights activists.  This topic is 
heating up all over, due mostly to the ridiculous reaction to the 
red-tailed hawk in NY and the viral ways of the internet.
Forums ultimately close once they are flooded by emotionally charged 
discussions.  There are plenty of other venues for this discussion.  
This should be moderated more closely to allow just comment, questions 
and information by and for banders.
The only way this can be done is if a moderator actually looks at all 
the postings before they go "on air".

Julian Hudson

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Subject: Change of Subject- NSWO Recording
From: George Rowsom <growsom AT OPTONLINE.NET>
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:55:24 -0700
Can anyone direct me to a good website to download NSWO vocalization?
Thanks,
G Rowsom

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Subject: Re: final comments
From: Peter Wilkinson <pjw42 AT WAITROSE.COM>
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 22:01:38 +0000
I would just like to comment on one specific question in all this: what
would happen if we stopped banding a species?

As it happens, here in the UK we know a good bit of the answer from
actual experience. In outline, about 20 years or so ago, House Sparrows
were very common here and banded in fairly large numbers. It was felt
that enough had been banded and banders were encouraged to direct their
attention elsewhere by being charged a supplement over and above the
usual cost of the band for each sparrow. The incentive (actually, I
suppose, disincentive) worked and the numbers of House Sparrows banded
plummeted. Unfortunately, by cruel coincidence, around the same time,
the numbers of House Sparrows started to plummet. We still don't really
know why and are hampered in trying to find out because we didn't band
sufficient during the critical period of the decline to be able to
calculate and compare mortality rates over the years between adults and
juveniles. 

Compare our experience with House Sparrows with that with another bird
whose population has shown a significant decline over roughly the same
period, but the background banding of which never stopped, the Song
Thrush. The British Trust for Ornithology (BTO) runs an Integrated
Population Monitoring scheme, bringing together the results from several
different schemes, including, naturally, banding. In broad terms, we
know from the Breeding Bird Survey that Song Thrush numbers have
declined and by how much. We know from the Nest Record Scheme that they
still lay the same number of eggs, have the same number of broods, and
fledge the same number of young as they always did. We know from banding
that adult mortality remains broadly the same, but crucially we also
know from banding that mortality in the first six months of life
increased during the period of decline. Feeding the numbers into
population models shows that this increased juvenile mortality can
explain the bulk of the population decline, allowing detailed research
to be undertaken on just what is happening to juveniles.

These are the examples I give when I am on occasion asked what the
purpose is of continuing to band species that have been banded for years
and whether we haven't banded enough already. 

Peter Wilkinson
Herts, England
Bander since 1963

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Subject: final comments
From: Ellen Paul <ellen.paul AT VERIZON.NET>
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:59:06 -0500
As the daughter of a survivor, I was absolutely aghast at Marlene 
Condon's comparison, and her apology accomplished nothing in my eyes 
because anyone who can make such a statement has demonstrated that they 
have exceedingly poor judgment of the infamous sort exhibited by PETA:

Ingrid Newkirk , the 
president of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals 
 
(PETA), has herself made the comparison unambiguously, saying: "Six 
million Jews died in concentration camps 
, but six billion 
broiler chickens will die this year in slaughterhouses."

Apologies from people with such poor judgment are meaningless to me.

Now, at the risk of starting a quarrel with people and an organization I 
admire very much, I am aghast that The Wildlife Society, which has had 
its own share of trouble from uninformed animal rights individuals and 
organizations, would publish a piece like this and I am writing a letter 
to the editor and would welcome co-signers. Granted, this is not the 
peer-reviewed journal published by that esteemed society, but it is not 
appropriate to publish a piece like this in a scientific publication - 
PERIOD. Ms. Condon relies on logic, not science, to make her argument. 
She makes no mention of the weight of the bands in the absolute or 
relative to the weight (actually, mass) of the bird.

I was particularly disturbed by Ms. Condon's disingenuous claim about 
the Refsnider paper. She ignores the fact that she mis-cited it and 
proceeds to malign the journal.

What also bothers me is her comparison of bird banding to the killing of 
two Whimbrels:

4)  Empathy  (the ability to identify with and understand another’s
situation and feelings)  tells you that birds are absolutely terrified when
handled by humans (their natural enemies, as witnessed this fall by the hunting 

in the Lesser Antilles  that killed 2 whimbrels being tracked).  It’s logical
then, to conclude that  banders are inflicting severe stress—and thus
physical harm—upon the creatures  they profess to care about.


There is actually nothing logical in this paragraph. Humans are not the 
natural enemies of birds. Birds, like all animals, have a negative 
reaction to predation and fear being caught by anything. That does not 
mean that the short-term capture and handling of birds by banders 
entails severe distress and physical harm. But in any case, we don't 
measure those things by logic or illogic. We measure it scientifically. 
For instance, by corticosteroid levels. By the length of time it takes 
for the bird to resume its normal behaviors. By breeding success. By 
return rates. We have data on all these things. We don't make 
assumptions. Scientists make observations, develop hypotheses, and test 
those hypotheses.

And that is why it is so appalling that a scientific society chose to 
publish this drivel.

Anyone interested in signing on to my letter please contact me directly.

Ellen Paul (speaking individually and not on behalf of the organization 
that pays my salary)

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Subject: FW: [BIRDBAND] final comments
From: Derek J Matthews <Derek.J.Matthews AT SPECTRUM-CANADA.COM>
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:06:17 -0800
Hi Guys,

I've tried to stay out of this but isn't BIRDBAND supposed to be for
banders? I thought its whole purpose was to provide a private forum where
banders and ringers from around the world could share and exchange ideas and
information 

My question is simple - What is this lady doing on the group? She's
obviously not a bander so why does she have access to it and why has she
been allowed to post?

Cheers.

Derek

Derek Matthews
Vancouver Avian Research Centre
Vancouver, BC, Canada






-----Original Message-----
From: Bird Bander's Forum [mailto:BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On Behalf
Of James Cracknell
Sent: November-07-11 12:49 PM
To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] final comments

On 7 November 2011 16:43, Anya Illes  wrote:

> I am INCENSED that Ms. Condon dares to compare banding birds to the
> attempted genocide of an entire people.
> And then retreats, disingenuously claiming that she is the unemotional,
> respectful one.
>
>
Anya

Thank you and I can't even begin to imagine the pain Ms Condon's views have
caused.  Ms Condon has now shown her true colours and nailed them firmly to
the mast.  I do hope such a individual with bigoted views either leaves
this group or the moderators ban her now. BIRDBAND was built on a
scientific foundation it is a shame that it has now turned into abuse and
she shows her lack of empathy. She said her analogy was "poor" - in my own
opinion "poor" doesn't even touch it.

I don't think these people realise the fallout that still goes on today
from the horrors of Word War II.  My grandfather and others in his
generation who liberated these camps suffered what we now call
post-traumatic stress syndrome and though it didn't happen in my family it
is well documented that others have experienced generations of physical and
emotional abuse and it is only now in some cases that we are starting to
clear things up.  My father tells me that my grandfather was so respectful
that he only talked about the war and what he witnessed when he knew he was
dying as he needed the release.

Having visited the camps myself and seen what they did to the those who
were Jewish and Poles, Roma, Sini, Soviet Prisoners of War and tens of
thousands people of other faiths, nationalities or gay men is life changing.

I am however going to use her email as a teaching aid.  At the moment I
have been teaching students how to look at the underhand tactics of
individuals and organisations on the Internet who hold these views and the
lengths that they go to coerce others into having the same belief.  At
least children understand that using references to Nazi Germany or
other atrocities/disasters is totally unacceptable.

Kind regards

James

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Subject: Re: final comments
From: James Cracknell <james AT JCRACKNELL.CO.UK>
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 20:48:36 +0000
On 7 November 2011 16:43, Anya Illes  wrote:

> I am INCENSED that Ms. Condon dares to compare banding birds to the
> attempted genocide of an entire people.
> And then retreats, disingenuously claiming that she is the unemotional,
> respectful one.
>
>
Anya

Thank you and I can't even begin to imagine the pain Ms Condon's views have
caused.  Ms Condon has now shown her true colours and nailed them firmly to
the mast.  I do hope such a individual with bigoted views either leaves
this group or the moderators ban her now. BIRDBAND was built on a
scientific foundation it is a shame that it has now turned into abuse and
she shows her lack of empathy. She said her analogy was "poor" - in my own
opinion "poor" doesn't even touch it.

I don't think these people realise the fallout that still goes on today
from the horrors of Word War II.  My grandfather and others in his
generation who liberated these camps suffered what we now call
post-traumatic stress syndrome and though it didn't happen in my family it
is well documented that others have experienced generations of physical and
emotional abuse and it is only now in some cases that we are starting to
clear things up.  My father tells me that my grandfather was so respectful
that he only talked about the war and what he witnessed when he knew he was
dying as he needed the release.

Having visited the camps myself and seen what they did to the those who
were Jewish and Poles, Roma, Sini, Soviet Prisoners of War and tens of
thousands people of other faiths, nationalities or gay men is life changing.

I am however going to use her email as a teaching aid.  At the moment I
have been teaching students how to look at the underhand tactics of
individuals and organisations on the Internet who hold these views and the
lengths that they go to coerce others into having the same belief.  At
least children understand that using references to Nazi Germany or
other atrocities/disasters is totally unacceptable.

Kind regards

James

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Subject: Re: final comments
From: Marlene Condon <MARLENECONDON AT AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:45:34 -0500
Thank you, Juan, for writing in such a kind manner.
 
People can't always agree about things, but I've never understood why they  
can't disagree in an agreeable manner.
 
Sincerely,
Marlene
 
 
 
In a message dated 11/7/2011 2:40:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jcwarbler AT YAHOO.ES writes:

My  written English is not so good, but I want to say about  yo
Marlene,

My written English is not so good, but I want to say  about your messages:

1) You are talking, writing and critiquing an  activity that you, 
personally, do not know enough...
2) I think that is not  possible for you to feel the fear of a bird looking 
into its eyes... I will  never understand that comment... You are 
humanizing a bird (amazing!)...
3)  You do not like that a little bird wears a ring/band on its leg, 
because that "extra" weight not allowed travel in good condition... Is this 
also 

a  "feeling" or have you personally band thousands of birds? Have you read  
hundreds of studies talking about this?

I never will write on  astrology, poker, or Australian white worms, simply 
because I do not know  about it nor have I studied...

I have met many people in Spain, where I  lived most of my life, thought 
and spoke like you, about banding... Most of  them have changed their way of 
seeing things when they come with me and my  colleagues to band... Please 
visit banding stations and knows this activity... And also, please stop to see 

"fear" where you can not see it, and treat  animals like animals, not like 
persons... It's just a personal  tip...

With the best wishes from Venezuela,

Juan  Carlos
======================
J.C. Fernández-Ordóñez
San Carlos  (Venezuela)
jcwarbler AT yahoo.es


El 07/11/11 12:11, Marlene Condon  escribió:
> 
> Dear Anya,
> 
> I honestly did not mean  to imply that banding is akin to concentration
> camps.  I  apologize if that was a poor analogy.
> 
> My point was that  people can certainly comment on things even if they 
have
> not  personally experienced them, but have read about them.
> 
>  Sincerely,
> Marlene
> 
> In a message dated 11/7/2011  11:29:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> ailles AT u.washington.edu  writes:
> 
> Dear  Marelne,
> And by invoking  CONCENTRATION CAMPS as an analogy to bird banding,  from
> my  perspective you have now COMPLETELY failed to maintain yourself as   
an
> "unemotional" and respected voice in this debate.
> 
>  I had compiled  a respectful, unemotional reply to your letter  that
> invoked fact in the  spirit of debate. It's in the trash  now.
> How dare you.
> 
> Signed,
> A  JEWISH  Bander Who Lost Many Relatives in Auschwitz and Whose Life Has
>  Been  Affected In Myriad of Other Ways by Hitler Ever Since,
>  Anya  Illes
> 
>  __________________________________________________
> 
> Anya  E.  Illes
> 
> 
> On 11/7/2011 10:20 AM, Marlene Condon  wrote:
>> Hi  all,
>>
>> In response to  Charlie, I'm not brave at all.   Because there were   
things
>> being said on this site about my  article which was  not published in its
>> original form, I felt I should  try to  briefly convey my original
> thoughts.  As
>> it was,  I  feared my post was too long for the listserv, so   please
>>   understand that I was trying to keep my  comments to a minimum and
> couldn't delve
>> deeply into  ecological principles, etc.
>>
>>   I'm  disappointed that some of the replies to my clarification are
>  strictly
>> emotional, attacking me personally instead of making  a  factual case for
>> the bander's point of view, as well as  accusing me of  things that are 
not
>>  true.
>>
>> For example, Scott writes  "I'm sorry, but  I find it astonishing that
>> someone who admits that  they  [sic] 'did visit a bird banding station
> once' -  and
>>   apparently only once - would take it on herself to  condemn a   
century's
>> worth of banding research out of  hand."
>>
>> It's  not true that I have ever condemned  100 years' worth of  banding
>>   research.  My  point is that it might be time to reconsider how much
> banding  is
>> done NOW.
>>
>> Additionally, to condemn me  for  commenting on banding when I have only
>> visited a station  once is like  saying I could never condemn what went  
on
>   at
>> concentration camps  because I have  never visited one.  There's  plenty 
of
>>    literature on both subjects and studies HAVE shown that birds are
>  sometimes
>> harmed by banding.
>>
>> I would have  hoped for a  more intellectual discussion here without so
>  much
>> emotion.  I  wasn't talking  politics!
>>
>> To those folks who have treated me   with respect while disagreeing with
> my
>> views, you have  my  admiration as well as  appreciation.
>>
>>
>>  Sincerely,
>>   Marlene
>>
>> Marlene A.  Condon (Author,  The Nature-friendly  Garden, Stackpole  
Books)
>> Naturalist and    Writer/Photographer/Speaker
>> Crozet, VA  22932-2204
>>   E-mail:   MARLENECONDON AT aol.com
>> _www.MARLENECONDON.com_   (http://www.marlenecondon.com/)

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Subject: Re: Father of bird-banding
From: Mara McDonald <mamcdona AT WISC.EDU>
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:12:29 -0600
Oh, no!  You're making a liar out of me! It was not intentional, either.

I thought I got the info from BBL, but alas, I didn't (just checked--although 
they may have updated their site). I did find several possible references I 
might have used: 

See
http://pwp.surfglobal.net/rmangile/Pigeons/LeonCole.html

Wisconsin's Forgotten Ornithologist: Leon J. Cole

Between 1902 and 1922, he wrote seven papers on bird banding alone. When bird 
banding gained stature in the field of scientific ornithology and its adherents 
formed an organization of devotees, Leon J. Cole became the president of the 
American Bird Banding Association. 


Thus, Dr. Cole is rightly regarded as the father of American bird banding. His 
academic life at Wisconsin forced him away from serious bird banding but not 
from his interest in birds. Through penetrating research he and his students 
produced an unparalleled insight into the genetics of the Columbidae. 
Hybridization of pigeons and ring doves was of particular importance. 




Here's Cole's paper:

http://www.jstor.org/stable/4155031

Here's another link p 220
http://www.jstor.org/stable/4073884?seq=4

I was researching the Department of Genetics' history for its Centennial in 
2010, when I ran into a reference to Cole as The Father of Bird Banding. Other 
than the first reference above, I'm not sure where else I may have picked it 
up. To be sure, if he's a father, it would be of American Bird Banding. You may 
want to correct me on that, too. I'm currently readying a journal club 
presentation on mobile genetic elements, and thus, cannot take much time to 
clean up my act or poor references or false assignations. Thank you for setting 
the record straight--I knew about Audubon, and also knew his efforts weren't 
too successful--I used Cole's "father" reference to justify putting up a poster 
on our banding efforts, just to nudge the lab types into knowing about.real 
research. :) 


Mara McDonald
Madison WI

On Nov 7, 2011, at 1:27 PM, Bill Mattox wrote:

> Hello Mara!
> A statement in your e-mail on that OTHER subject(!) interested me (re: L.J.
> Cole). In talks about color banding and bird banding in general, I have
> stated that, from my knowledge of the subject, the father of bird banding
> was the Danish school-master H.C. Mortensen, known in Denmark as "Fugle"
> (Birds) Mortensen, who placed lead (!) rings on starlings in 1890. The
> banded starlings didn't fly very far (!), and Mortensen changed to steel or
> aluminum shortly thereafter. He started using aluminum when he banded a
> merganser, and, in 1899 banded 165 starlings with aluminum rings. Until his
> death in 1921 Mortensen succeeded in banding some 6,000 birds (Mattox
> 1970*). In Denmark, Mortensen was known as the father of modern
> bird-ringing.
> Any thoughts? When was L.J. Cole active?
> Thanks.
> 
> Bill Mattox 
> 
> * Mattox, W.G. 1970. Bird-banding in Greenland. Arctic 23(4): 217-228.
> 
> 
> William G. Mattox, Ph.D.
> President
> Conservation Research Foundation
> 8300 Gantz Avenue
> Boise, ID 83709
> 
> (208) 362-3435
> 
> 


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Subject: Re: final comments
From: J.C. Fernández-Ordóñez <jcwarbler AT YAHOO.ES>
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:40:01 +0000
My written English is not so good, but I want to say about yo
Marlene,

My written English is not so good, but I want to say about your messages:

1) You are talking, writing and critiquing an activity that you, personally, do 
not know enough... 

2) I think that is not possible for you to feel the fear of a bird looking into 
its eyes... I will never understand that comment... You are humanizing a bird 
(amazing!)... 

3) You do not like that a little bird wears a ring/band on its leg, because 
that "extra" weight  not allowed travel in good condition... Is this also a 
"feeling" or have you personally band thousands of birds? Have you read 
hundreds of studies talking about this? 


I never will write on astrology, poker, or Australian white worms, simply 
because I do not know about it nor have I studied... 


I have met many people in Spain, where I lived most of my life, thought and 
spoke like you, about banding... Most of them have changed their way of seeing 
things when they come with me and my colleagues to band... Please visit banding 
stations and knows this activity... And also, please stop to see "fear" where 
you can not see it, and treat animals like animals, not like persons... It's 
just a personal tip... 


With the best wishes from Venezuela,

Juan Carlos
======================
J.C. Fernández-Ordóñez
San Carlos (Venezuela)
jcwarbler AT yahoo.es


El 07/11/11 12:11, Marlene Condon escribió:
> 
> Dear Anya,
> 
> I honestly did not mean to imply that banding is akin to concentration
> camps.  I apologize if that was a poor analogy.
> 
> My point was that people can certainly comment on things even if they have
> not personally experienced them, but have read about them.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Marlene
> 
> In a message dated 11/7/2011 11:29:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> ailles AT u.washington.edu writes:
> 
> Dear  Marelne,
> And by invoking CONCENTRATION CAMPS as an analogy to bird banding,  from
> my perspective you have now COMPLETELY failed to maintain yourself as  an
> "unemotional" and respected voice in this debate.
> 
> I had compiled  a respectful, unemotional reply to your letter that
> invoked fact in the  spirit of debate. It's in the trash now.
> How dare you.
> 
> Signed,
> A  JEWISH Bander Who Lost Many Relatives in Auschwitz and Whose Life Has
> Been  Affected In Myriad of Other Ways by Hitler Ever Since,
> Anya  Illes
> 
> __________________________________________________
> 
> Anya E.  Illes
> 
> 
> On 11/7/2011 10:20 AM, Marlene Condon wrote:
>> Hi  all,
>>
>> In response to Charlie, I'm not brave at all.   Because there were  things
>> being said on this site about my  article which was not published in its
>> original form, I felt I should  try to briefly convey my original
> thoughts.  As
>> it was, I  feared my post was too long for the listserv, so  please
>>   understand that I was trying to keep my comments to a minimum and
> couldn't delve
>> deeply into ecological principles, etc.
>>
>>   I'm disappointed that some of the replies to my clarification are
> strictly
>> emotional, attacking me personally instead of making a  factual case for
>> the bander's point of view, as well as accusing me of  things that are not
>> true.
>>
>> For example, Scott writes  "I'm sorry, but I find it astonishing that
>> someone who admits that  they [sic] 'did visit a bird banding station
> once' - and
>>   apparently only once - would take it on herself to condemn a   century's
>> worth of banding research out of hand."
>>
>> It's  not true that I have ever condemned 100 years' worth of  banding
>>   research.  My point is that it might be time to reconsider how much
> banding is
>> done NOW.
>>
>> Additionally, to condemn me for  commenting on banding when I have only
>> visited a station once is like  saying I could never condemn what went on
>   at
>> concentration camps  because I have never visited one.  There's  plenty of
>>   literature on both subjects and studies HAVE shown that birds are
> sometimes
>> harmed by banding.
>>
>> I would have hoped for a  more intellectual discussion here without so
> much
>> emotion.  I  wasn't talking politics!
>>
>> To those folks who have treated me  with respect while disagreeing with
> my
>> views, you have my  admiration as well as appreciation.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>   Marlene
>>
>> Marlene A. Condon (Author,  The Nature-friendly  Garden, Stackpole Books)
>> Naturalist and   Writer/Photographer/Speaker
>> Crozet, VA 22932-2204
>>   E-mail:  MARLENECONDON AT aol.com
>> _www.MARLENECONDON.com_  (http://www.marlenecondon.com/)

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